The battle of wits genre is way wider than you initially think. On one hand, it encompasses Kaiji, Akagi, One Outs and Liar Game. On the other hand, it also encompasses Code Geass, Kakegurui, No Game No Life, Death Parade, and similar manga.There is an obvious distinction between these two, one which is difficult to put into words, but basically mangas like Kaiji or Liar Game are putting a lot of effort into creating dynamic, well written games that the reader can participate into (by guessing what the MC must do to solve it). They don't thrive on hidden information or deus ex machinas, it's a true exercise for the mind. Meanwhile in something like Code Geass or Kakegurui the battle of wits is just an aesthetic, and the plot is moved forward through narrative, plot devices, luck and other variables that are incompatible with a true battle of wits.In order to distinguish one type of manga from the other I suggested that we call the former "braincrack", so that we can keep Code Geass and Kaiji in different shelves.
Idea: we start using "megafaggot" as a subgenre of faggotThe faggot genre is way wider than you initially think. On one hand, it encompasses OP. On the other hand, it also encompasses Moot, jannies, OP's boyfriend, and similar individuals.There is an obvious distinction between these two, one which is difficult to put into words, but basically individual like OP is putting a lot of effort into being a flaming fag. They don't thrive on hidden information or deus ex machinas, it's true unfiltered faggotry. Meanwhile in something like jannies the faggotry is just an aesthetic, and the flamboyancy is moved forward through narrative, plot devices, luck and other variables that are incompatible with a true faggot.In order to distinguish one type of individual from the other I suggested that we call the former "megafaggot", so that we can keep jannies and OP in different shelves.
>>287572480>idea: let's all become redditorsOP first
>>287572717kek, but OP is right tho
Braincrack will never catch on.
battle of what? Kakegurui is about cute girls making crazy faces.
>>287572717Faggot
>>287572480No, I think it's better to just clarify things in follow-up conversations that healthy discussions should naturally have. If a show isn't genuinely a battle of wits and hinges on asspulls, then they shouldn't be considered a battle of wits at all. To use your examples, Kaiji is a battle of wits and Kakegurui only pretends to be, but is a fraud.
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>>287574737But then people people will rightfully disagree with this subjective criteria.
>>287576220The very premise OP is trying to push is subjective, so why would people be "rightfully" disagreeing with the idea of not picking the name he's trying to push?
>>287572480It's not gonna catch on bro
>>287572717This.
this is just the psychological tag with a dumber name
>>287572717FPBP
>>287573208People said the same thing about native isekai and soft seinen and look where we are now.
>braincrack schizofuck off faggot
>>287578657but native isekai actually made sense.
Stop necrobumping, OP
Why do people hate this name? What OP is describing absolutely is a unique genre, and AFAIK there isn't a suitable name for it yet.
>>287572480its called keikakuslop
stop trying to force braincrack, nobody likes itand what you're referring to is just FKMT being a godly author, even two of your four first examples pale in comparison to the other twoyou basically meant to post, "wow, akagi and kaiji are really good fkmt-sensei is in a league of his own"don't worry I posted it for you above
>>287572717based
>>287572480I read that as "brainwreck" at first, and I think I like my idea better.>>287572717Forty keks
Mahjong is the peak of all gambling
Too late, for I have already named the latter "twistslop" in my mind, thus OP has already failed with his crappy "braincrack" genre.
I am so gonna use this.
>>287572480It's called high stakes game genre/tag
>>287581035Basically OP is saying "it has no deus ex and it's 'real' mindgames instead of asspulls so it's not the same genre name" but I feel like it's irrelevant.
>>287581084I've been playing Mahjong for about a year and stuff like this still makes my eyes glaze over.
>>287572480>much kaiji Usogui is king of braincrack.
>>287572480Did you read usogui?
I think OP should read Usogui.
>>287572480>we should separate two works of the same genre by their quality!!!! are you retarded? we already have grading systems for that. Both Kaiji and Kakegurui are the same genere, but one is a 9/10 while the other is a 6/10. No reason to overcomplicate things.
>>287572717I agree with this
>>287572480also who the fuck calls them "battle of wits" if anything I've seen these type of series be called "mind games" and even that label is not really popular.
>braincrack schizo threadKino
>>287572480My man Kaiji is garbage.Ifnit was good, it wouldn't need the kakegurui bitch for the threads to exist
>>287583544Are you for real? "Battle of wits" is an extremely common nomenclature for the genre, way moreso than "mind games".>>287583503Except stuff like Code Geass or Kakegurui gets rated way higher than Kaiji by normies because of subjective reasons.
Are you seriously just going to barrel forward with your schizophrenia without addressing your assigned reading?
>>287583365>>287583326>>287583422>>287583723I read like 10 chapters of Usogui. It is even worse than Kakegurui when it comes to "battle of wits". Mc finds a way to cheat the game, cheats, then explains to the reader "heheh look at how clever I am, I found a way to cheat". This is garbage and not true battle of wits. Read Liar Game.
>>287572717lmao FPBP
>>287583809I have read liar gameCheating is an inherent part of using every tool at your disposal. You simply haven't opened your mindAlso, liar game contains things it would be difficult to lawyer into not cheating, like the ipad swap in 4.5. It just focuses entirely on deception where usogui often has people kicking the shit out of eachotherAt very least you need to finish the braincrack canon so you can adequately criticize it
>>287583689>shit work gets rated way higher by normies because they have shit tastethis happens with every genre btw but I have yet to see a person retarded enough to suggest we should give them different names, other than you obviously.
>>287572480This is the least effective way to push an ideaYou either just start casually using it as if it's normal and then teach it to everyone who asks what the fuck you're talking aboutOr you sneak the term into a relevant meme so it naturally spreads (like "shoelacer")
>>287583896Yes, cheating is part of any game, but the difference between Kaiji/Liar Game and stuff like Usogui is that in the former, every character plays with perfect comprehension of the rules. Therefore, cheating does not work, because they can already foresee the cheating. So you need pure deception to win. And this is pure battle of wits.Usogui exploited cheap mechanical cheating against helpless characters that had zero knowledge about what they were playing.
>>287584344>every character plays with perfect comprehension of the rulesThat isn't true in the example of cheating I stated above.>pure battle of wits.Explain the boxer who can follow cards. How does that work out to a battle of wits?>Usogui exploited cheap mechanical cheating against helpless characters that had zero knowledge about what they were playing.You should go into more detail when discussing a series like this. Vagueposting only drags out the conversation and makes things terribly boring.Are you still talking about the escape from the building? The first game?The whole thing gets more game-ish later on, the author just wanted to introduce the series with more actionAlso, reading manga isn't that much of a burden. You should be willing to do it before trying to force a buzzwordIt is inevitable that you will like atleast one of the games, and you apparently have completely ran out of other braincrack works to read, so why not consider the highest anon-rated "Braincrack"?I still think cerebral thriller was a better title. It makes sense.All respects to the anon who suggested that one
the term you're looking for is "death game", a subset of the thriller genre.
>>287584995No, it's about the way the characters act an the way things are handledIt's the feeling of thinking a situation out that's the key
>>287584995>>287585032(Although I will note the term braincrack is quite poor)
>>287585032Yea, that's what death games are about. There isn't a single death game where characters don't have to think about how to solve their situation, often by making somebody else lose their money/life/whatever. It's the core of the genre.
>>287584995No. Liar Game has no threat of death and it is still infinitely more braincracky than Danganronpa, Death Parade, NGNL.
>>287585193The threat of immense debt is functionally the same.
>>287585084But what about battle royale's?They aren't the same at all
>>287585253it's simply more action oriented, but the core remains the same.you have X characters that want to survive/reach the win condition.they try to outwit each other. in this case, by killing each other directly.as the story goes on, Y characters lose/die, Z characters betray etc etc.Mastermind character is optional but more often than not preferable.A little thought experiment, imagine that instead of getting weapons to kill each other, the characters in Battle Royale play tag instead.
>>287585379>it's simply more action oriented, but the core remains the same.Yes, that's the pointThe mental focus isn't the core of the deathgame, and it is the core of the """Braincrack"""If two words have different meanings they are different words.Battle royals are death games but not braincrack. Death games are convenient for """Braincrack""" but could be anything else
>>287585435Agree to disagree then. I don't see any point in making the distinction of "the characters think a bit more in this one". It's irrelevant to what defines a genre.
>>287572717OP completely btfo
>>287585465It is the entire selling point for fans of stuff like Kaiji or Liar Game.
>>287585647Yes, but that doesn't define a genre. It describes a quality of a work.This "braincrack" stuff goes more into the territory of tropes, rather than genre.
>>287585647 Yeah and “sakuga” is the selling point for a bunch of shounen tards but that doesn’t magically turn it into a separate genre either.You’re confusing audience appeal with taxonomy. “Braincrack” (lmao) just means the author puts more emphasis on layered mindgames instead of spectacle. That’s a tonal/structural focus, not a categorical boundary. Kaiji isn’t some new species of fiction, it’s a gambling thriller with heavy psychological play.By your logic we need a new genre every time the spotlight shifts. “Oh this romcom focuses more on awkward silence than slapstick, totally different genre bro.”Nah. It’s just a substyle people gravitate toward. Stop trying to coin buzzwords because you want your taste to feel niche and elevated.
>>287586231Except it's not just a random type of moment that takes 5 seconds per episode. It is the entire basic structure of the story. Literally every second of it revolves around this concept. It is absolutely defining for the genre.Why should we even have any genre then? Just have people write a wall of text about what they are talking about every single time, and then we place everything under "romance". "Yeah I like romance where people fight each other", "I like romance that is scary", "I like romance where characters kiss".
>>287586231Oh and like I said it is a SUBGENRE.You said it is a "substyle", sounds like you agree with me but can't admit it because this entire board has a circlejerk around flaming me, and you can't go against the hivemind
These threads are completely worthless, just tell OP to fuck off and be done with it
>>287586441we've been doing this for years now, but like all dumbass autists with a gimmick, he persists
>>287572480There's nothing mentally stimulating about Kaiji.>rock paper scissors... b-but with cards!Fucking retarded.
>>287586463At this point OP being a schizo is only half the problem, the other half is retards who continue to engage with him
>>287586463It's funny how shoelacer caught on but his "braincrack" shit will never despite doing it for years.
fugg I mistook this for a different thread nvm
>>287583256Yeah it takes a bit of time to get. 1v1 Mahjong is pretty deep
>>287586472Part 1 animebabbies need not apply
FKMTkrazy I kneel.........
>>287572480
>>287572480how about I crack your brainBRAINCRACKED
>0 arguments against OP's point, just insults
>>287572480Why?
>>287591009Are there any arguments to be had? I don't think "this is good mindgames without asspulls" warrants a whole new word.
>>287593656One Poker Hen is a 10/10 masterpieceGonna need a reread soon
>>287572480Where is Classroom of the elite?
>OP still necrobumping 24 hours later
>>287595522This is me
>>287593704>One Poker Hen is a 10/10 masterpieceIt could've been if FKMT didn't decide to dedicate entire chapters to 1-3 panel analogies. I can only imagine how frustrating slow it must've felt when the part was still releasing.
>>287597497It's hell weekly but just like part 4 it's a blast to batch read
>>287597523New chapter when though...
>>287597497It's the best part, though
>>287595522Brother, OP has been bumping this retarded term for fucking years now
>>287572717gottemgottem gud
>>287572480Ironically the anime-only auction arc in Kakegurui blows every "game of wits" from Kaiji out of the water. Kaiji does more "hurr durr my sanctity of life, my resolve, my descent to hell" shit but as an actual game theory/logic puzzle KKG wins.
>>287591009who cares?op(you) is a faggot, he doesn't have any points, and no one is obligated to indulge in his needy ego scrapingkakegurui mogs
>>287601930Kakegurui is trash
>>287601956>seethes impotently because he can't change the truth*licks the bitter tears from your face* hehe :)
>>287572480metroidbrainia
>>287588121>that picPart of why I think I haven't been able to level up my mahjong gameplay is I still haven't really bothered to learn the scoring. It's easy enough to push for 5+ han so I avoid the need to care about fu, but not knowing it makes the difference between a mangan or just 7700 points or worse. Reading discards might as well be a new language. I've made so many bad calls on what I thought someone did/didn't need it affects my deal-in rate something fierce. I still love this game but I need to "scale the wall" so I can be more than an Adeptkek. That being said I still enjoy the manga that really focus on it, thankfully Japan keeps a steady supply of them.
>>287572717Funniest shit I've read in a while,thank you
>>287604113Playing online will always be an awful experience.
>>287572480I prefer Liar Liar
>>287572480What a megafaggot
>>287572717This is like NTR but in real life
>>287572717Include me in the screencap
>>287572480Megafaggot
