The more time passes and the older I get, the more I realize how lame and tryhard this show actually is.The first half of the series holds up just fine as a slow-burn mystery, but the second half tries way too hard to show how "crazy" and "serious" it is by pivoting into traumaslop and conspiracy theories. It feels like it's trying to overcompensate for the slow start by throwing as much "suffering" at the screen as possible.And the early 10s otaku culture stuff, the constant redditspeak, the "le quirky mad scientist" schizo rambling, and the garbage humor has aged badly as well. What used to pass for "deep" sci-fi writing now just feels like a collection of dated internet tropes and chuuni cringe that is hard to sit through as an adult.
So the Organization finally broke you. Typical.El Psy Kongroo.
>>287632418Reddit; Gate
>>287632418I have to watch it again, but I remember the second part had a lot of plot twists and shock value that surprised me when I started reading and watching shows, but now I think about it and it really doesn't add much. Besides, the series doesn't have a central theme or anything like that, so it ends up being quite basic. It definitely has flaws. Kurisu best girl
>>287632418sounds to me like you just grew up and realized it was made for teens
>>287632418>the constant redditspeakWhat website do the characters use?
>>287632418Sounds to me like you just grew up into a jaded pseud.
>>287632418>traumaslop Shut the fuck up, zoomer and go back to Tiktok
>>287632418The time travel sci fi in SG was never deep, even back then I was bothered by how basic it was under all the fake complexity of the lore.
The real problem is it isn't that interesting, at its core it's just a time loop story.
>>287632756>a lot of plot twistsThere aren't really any twists, every event and character reveal is very bluntly foreshadowed. Suzuha is the best example of this since pretty much every single scene she's in includes some reference to her being a time traveler...just in case you missed the peak at her in episode 1.>Besides, the series doesn't have a central theme or anything like thatYeah, definitely rewatch it since the theme is almost stated outright by Okabe
>>287634082You're a retard.
>>287632875The age of the target audience has nothing to do with how a story is written.
>>287634610>The age of the target audience has nothing to do with how a story is written.This might actually be the single dumbest post in the history of the board
>>287634492How i am wrong though, the story literally ends when okabe ends the loop, there's literally only 1 point to this story and it isn't the characters despite what it's fans say.
NGE yesterday, SG today?
>>287634666It's a greek tragedy and the appeal is Okabe's journey through hell. The time travel is just a plot device.
The universe has a beginning, but it has no end. —Infinite.Stars too have a beginning, but are by their own power destroyed. —Finite.History teaches that those who hold wisdom are often the most foolish. The fish in the sea know not the land. If they too hold wisdom, they too will be destroyed. It is more ridiculous for man to exceed light speed than for fish to live ashore. This may be called God's ultimatum to those who rebel
>>287632418It hasn't aged poorly. You're just a fucking faggot for ever liking something that's such obvious trash.
So are you the same one who makes all the twitter drama and MHA threads too?
>>287632418S;G is a 6/10 at best. It was never that good of a time travel story compared to its peers, just carried by the main character being chuuni.
>>287632418>constant redditspeakretard
>>287635480>carried by the main character being chuuniThis is a negative, not a positive. The MC was trash and dragged down the story at every turn.
>>287634309what theme or message? that you can fix your shitty future i guess but thats basically any time travel story, it is not deep or anything (it doesnt need to be)
>>287635662S;G plays on the classic favorite of the otaku, the hedgehog's dilemma. Okabe's entire motivation is that he just wanted friends, and that's what the entire story is about. Even the time travel element is essentially a tool that lets him try to get to know the people around him over and over until he reaches the "perfect route" where he has a group of close friends whose problems he helps to address. That's even the purpose of the Kyouma persona, it's a cover he uses because he's too embarrassed to socialize directly. The anime does a great job of highlighting the theme by placing a major emphasis of Okabe's eyes and the way he watches others.
Why does /a/ hate Steins;Gate so much in recent years? I get hype backlash is a thing, but S;G is a perfectly solid show. The hateboner is weird. I wonder if the crusade of hatred is conducted by Zoomers or if Millennials have turned on their roots. 2004-2012 is peak Millennial for anime.
>>287636011Post-2020 tourists who got their ideas about anime from /pol/ and twitter hate older anime because it's so blatant with progressive themes and messages, but they know they'll look like total newfags if they just complain about the woke things that trigger them in anime so they have to pretend to be critical of things like storytelling and art despite having no training in analysis and critique.It's a sort of reverse gatekeeping where they isolate themselves off as a new fandom by creating a canon of what shows must be hated that mirrors the canon of shows that were popular with the original fandom.
>>287636011It is unironically a generational war. Steins;Gate is beloved by millennials and hated by zoomers. Unfortunately, 4chan is filled with zoomers and tourists now.
>>287636011new fans dislike anything otaku-related or when the anime is too much anime. sg has suspense and new fans only consume suspense/action; but it is too much for them. also it has emotional moments.older fans hate it because its popular and the fanbase is annoying as fuck, specially in the vn side
>>287636011Newfags anon. Newfags.
>>287636011>S;G is a perfectly solid showI disagree, I consider it to be flawed at best. Plenty of issues with both the characters and the story.
>>287636011I don't think zoomers have the patience for a show that develops slowly and doesn't explicitly state the plot at least three times. That's why the vultures are all over Azumanga: because it's based on a 4koma, it is uncomplicated, and the jokes are rapid fire.
>>287636011Because if you step away from the period where time travel and ironic weeb humor were extremely hyped the story is not actually that good.
>>287632418>The first half of the series holds up just fine as a slow-burn mysteryThe first half is sleep-inducing.
I never finished it but did they ever explain why the scientist had a pet mentally handicapped girl just hanging out with the group?She was so out of place.
>>287637728Finish it newfag.
>>287632418S;G is only deep to pseuds
>>287632418it's called reddit gate for a reasonthe big bang theory of anime
>>287637728It's funny, you can tell someone who knows nothing about contemporary Japanese society by how perplexed they are by Mayuri. You'd think zoomers would be better able to understand it since that sort of style was brought worldwide with vtubers.
>>287634811This guy gets it.
>>287637964I'm 31. Are adult women with the mind of a six year old a thing in Japanese society?
>>287637728They're all otaku too, and she both makes and wears cosplay. But, yeah, there's a big background connection.
>>287632418> the "le quirky mad scientist" schizo rambling, and the garbage humor has aged badly as wellI don't think what it does ages at all. It was considered as "le quirky" back then. Maybe it's just you being old and sour and wanting something heavy and serious without childish naivities or lightheartedness.
>>287634309A plot twist being foreshadowed doesn't make it less of a twist.
>>287634872> The universe has a beginning, but it has no end. —Infinite.That's only if you consider time linear and going forward, which was already proven wrong.
>>287638130You are a normalfag who doesn't belong here. Go back.
0 pisses me off so much.>Maho betrays you but it's okay because she's a cute girl>Leskinen betrays you but that's bad because he's a man
>>287638325I've been here for 16 years. Are adult women with the mind of a six year old a thing in Japanese society?
>>2876384570 sucks badly. You can really feel the drop in writing quality, not sure what happened.
>>287638130That's not a mind of six year old. I have a suspicion you might have been as obnoxious as you are now, if not more, when you were six.
>>287638457The AI Kurisu and random unrelated Kurisu were such poorly thought out plot points.
>>287637064I didn't read or watch anything Steins;Gate until last year, though. I read the VN last year, and watched the anime this year... almost done with the 0 VN. I almost watched Steins;Gate while it aired, but Spring 2011 was stacked and I ended up not watching it. The otaku humor didn't age well but the story itself is good and structured well. Build-up, heroine routes, climax. Nice and solid story structure.
>>287638637I don't know, I've seen this format of time travel plot too many times and I don't see anywhere that Steins;Gate excels compared to what I've already seen. I think I enjoyed Edge of Tomorrow more and it fit almost all of those exact same time loop plot points into a 2 hour movie that had better acting.
>>287638686Maybe you should just stick with American movies since you don't like anime
>>287638834I do like anime, I'm just not beholden to it. That part of why I think fans of Steins;Gate need to watch more and understand how derivative the story is.
>>287638457>Maho betrays you but it's okay because she's a cute girlI mean, she was getting threatened/brainwashed, while Leskinen is a complete fake while befriending Okabe. Yeah, the plot flows like that because Maho is a cute girl while Leskinen is an ugly old man, but there is an in-story justification.
>>287639004Leskinen is pretty hot, though.
>>287632418Is the Professor guy in the middle there basis for Rick in Rick and Morty?
>>287632418I just don't like it because the main character is too annoying.
>>287639673The only character I really like is Mayuri. The rest were either forgettable or unlikable people.
>>287632418Re:Zero is better
>>287632418S;G is decent up until Mayuri gets killed for the first time. When it shows its hand and fully reveals the scope of the plot it ends up being not that impressive.
>>287636011I never liked it
>>287638457You listed probably the least offensive part of S;G 0. There is so much wrong with that whole entry in general.
>>287635789>S;G plays on the classic favorite of the otaku, the hedgehog's dilemma.anon, these people think the theme has to do with time travel moral platitudes. the fact that the mc is literally a 2ch poster flew over their heads. they're not even approaching the story from the perspective of otaku identity.
>>287635789>>287641476Steins;Gate fags really think their story is Evangelion.Your main character being an annoying retard doesn't make the story about the hedgehog's dilemma.
>>287632418>the "le quirky mad scientist" schizo ramblingThis literally never gets old for me and I'm almost 30. I don't even know why, maybe it's the dry humour, I just think Okabe picking up the phone and saying "It's me." as if he's some schizo-paranoid maniac. Every single time. Doppio from JoJo had me in tears too.
>>287641770>as if he's some schizo-paranoid maniacas if he's some schizo-paranoid maniac is the funniest shit*
>>287641686Of course it’s Eva, did you miss how everything is about bad relationships with fathers?>>287641476This is one particular shitposter who knows all those things since he makes these threads routinely. He’s the one who does all the template threads recycling the same shittalk about S;G, NGE, FMA, etc
>>287632418The worst sin S;G commits is that it's just boring. Unless you're entertained by the chuuni guy there's just nothing else there worth caring about.
>>287636011God I love Moeka. Feels like she never gets as much attention as the other girls.Her route in Darlings Embrace was so cute.
>>287632418It was always bad. Same with the rest of 2011slop that was put on a pedestal by teens back then (Madoka, Fate, HxH). You finally saw the light. Deep scifi shows only existed in the late 90s, the golden era of anime.
>>287632418where are all these anti-steins;gate brigadiers coming from?discord?
>>287643033naw, I was 22 in 2011. it was peak
>>287636011literally zoomers who saw the mal score then watched it without growing up in 2000s internet culture so they don't understand the jokes
>>2876335132ch.OP is a retarded dubfag.
>>287643116What do they call it in the dub?
>>287632418stein gate is shit
>>287643133I don't know, probably Reddit. Ask OP.
The show is still kino.But Zoomers are salty that everyone still talks about it over a decade and a half later.Why are they salty? Well it's simple.Zoomers and/or tourists(Redundant I know) go through a new "Anime of the decade!" every season only for them to immediately get forgotten and treated like flavors of the month.So they can't comprehend fans who actually like, and continue to enjoy, the same show after 15 years, when they can't even focus their attention on a show for more than a couple of months for looking for the next big hit.
>>287643070I've always been here. S;G is overhyped nonsense and the terrible fanbase doesn't help matters.
>>287643393>rewriting history againyawn
>>287643033>old gud new badNever a shortage of you faggots, is there?
>>287643488>oh noes the demonic slug protocol over radiowaves is not working, somebody ask cern for technical assistence Top kek
>>287643551They really have always been the worst part about /a/. 1980s-2020s anime is all based.
If you don't care for Okabe's attitude this show has no redeeming qualities, it's just cardboard cutout characters acting out a mid time travel plot.
>>287643393>>287643743>>287643150>>287635480>all this samefagginglol
>>287643793
>Time travel story>Looks inside:They barely do anything with it, and it's just a story about some guy losing his friends Unironically zero was more engaging because they actually used the time travel.
>>287643393You zoomer fuckwits always lie about /a/'s love of S;G.
>>287632418Shit ass reddit show
>>287642260The girls
>>287636011It's not people turning back on their roots, the haters are a completely different group of people. Specifically, the massive onslaught of normalfag non-otaku that have flooded "the scene" in recent years and don't understand/can't relate to the painful things surrounding being an otaku.
>>287643116>>287633513NTA, but redditspeak doesn't neccessarly refer to reddit as a website. It is a certain obnoxious manner of speaking reminiscent of what you imagine from a typical redditor.
>>287644315Painful things?
>>287634811This. Zoomers wouldn't understand that because they lack media literacy.
>>287638834What is "All you need is Kill"?
>>287644440Yes painful things, you think being an ota is easy?
>>287644537Such as?
>>287644821Watch Haruka Nogizaka.
>>287632418It's a period piece, you wouldn't get it.
>>287644351It's literally contemporary 2ch lingo you dumb fuck.
>>287644351Yes you fucking clown, that's how people talked on the internet 20 years ago.
>>287632418This is how I felt reading Tsukihime earlier this year, some stuff can't be enjoyed if you read/watch it too late in life.
>>287632418>anime secondary random babbleYour opinion is as valuable as dogshit
>>287638130>>287638473>this archetype that has been stable for decades in anime is alien to me.You’ve already been exposed as a tourist. No need to LARP as an oldfag or something, it’s only getting more embarrassing.
>>287645190if you read the demake then you literally didn't read it btw
>>287645190there isnt any mature media (except yotsuba&)
>>287645540Based
>>287645501The original in 日本語
>>287632418I have finally decided that i will watch this but by your writing style i have already judged that you're a flaming homosexual faggot.
>>287632418Zero is fucking horrible.
>>287645547you were born too midwit to enjoy 中二神ゲnot your fault
> deep sci-fiMaybe this is the problem. Some people expect too much from it. By modern high standards it's not that deep. But it's not shallow either. If I were to score how elaborate it gets about its shit, I would maybe rate it 7 out of 10. Time travel is a very hard topic to get right, and they did impressive work to try. It's far from perfect, but it's not bad at all. If you compare to other sci-fi shows or animes, you should consider not only if topic is perfectly covered but also how hard topic is and the amount of work done to try to cover it. A lot of sci-fi is just easier and doesn't take much to make you satisfied with "backstory of technology or phenomena". Way more often this backstory is barebones and shallow and still passable, because it's something more mundane. There is an illusion that it's covered because it's something that doesn't even need to be covered.
>>287641686>he missed the part where Okarin literally says it's all a bullshit act and he wants to go homeWhile 0 is pretty shit apart from the goblin the original holds up well. Is zoomer /a/ getting filtered by Steins;Gate now?
>>287645790Yeah, as sci-fi, they really managed to make the time travel gimmick interesting. It’s expanded a lot more in the VN, like Okabe getting stuck in a time loop and slowly going insane
>>287645077>>287645098I have just explained what the other Anon referred to, you fucking imbeciles. I have stated nowhere that I agree with his assessment.
>>287645540Onegai My Melody.
>>287636011Because /a/ is full of losers who think hating popular things counts as having a personality.
>>287644351>It is a certain obnoxious manner of speaking reminiscent of what you imagine from a typical redditor.>It was Reddit in my mindThat's the mindset of retards who keep calling everything "reddit"
>>287647145a lot of popular shit is objectively fucking terrible and panders to the lowest common denominator, thoughbeit
>>287632418The first half is fun, the second is drama garbage.
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>>287632418The first half is fun, the second is a drama masterpiece
>>28764714599% of popular things are mediocre to bad, contrarian is the one that disagreea with this fact
PSY
CONGROOOOOO
>>287647145I don't dislike S;G just because it's popular, I dislike it because it's popular and also kind of shit.
>>287644351>obnoxious manner of speaking reminiscent of what you imagine from a typical redditorSo, passive aggressive moralfagging? I don't recall anything like that in the show.
>>287632418>Mid;Gays
>>287651014Dialogueslop wordsalad
Read the VN
>>287632418It's a series for manchildren, what were you expecting?
>>287632418
>>287650116>I dislike it because it's popularWhy?
