What's the message of Gundam? Some dumb liberal garbage?
Friendly reminder that this retard is spamming Gundam threads every day because someone called him a retard in /m/.
>>287654428>dumb liberal garbageGo back to /pol/. (You) are not interested in actual substantive discussion.
>war... is BADWhoa... so deep...
>>287654428Correct
>>287654428>What's the message of Gundam?Japan good, Nazis bad
>>287654456can't he just post ai generated slop that makes him feel like a badass instead? seems that's what all ass-blasted crybabies do nowadays
>>287654428That's the problem with kids and otakus. They don't get the message. They only see pretty colors
>>287654428God I wish Tomino would direct another anti-war masterpiece. Even at his worst, Tomino is pure kino.
>this is exactly the case in japan todaySorry, Tomino. The Japanese don't want their country filled with Indians and Kurds.
Is tomino the biggest retard in the entire industry or does he have competition
The messages are pretty retarded though.>war badno shit. But muh pacifism is also only viable if you're the loyal vassal state of the unquestioned invincible nuclear armed global superpower, letting your citizens smugly criticize their protectors as violent barbarians and celebrating themselves as morally superior beings.But now your protectors are no longer invincible compared to your mutual enemy who seeks blood vengeance on your nation for past injustices and to set right their sense of national humiliation so congratulation, war is on the horizon whether you want it or not and your best hope of actually avoiding the misery of war is through practical deterrence theory not smug and counter-productive pacifism.
>>287654428It's funny because Tomino's protagonists are always fairly apt comparisons to the type of people who get obsessed with military shit in a chuuni way, often representations of "everything wrong with" a given group (usually young people who have no experience with war).I'm sure if people here read Secret Rendezvous, they'd see more than a little of themselves in the very pathetic Amuro.
What Gundam is aboutWar is good (if you don't fight you'll die or be enslaved, lose what's important to you, humans reach peak potential in war)Move on from the past (Stop crying about the holohoax or the nanjing lie)Technology is only bad when misused (Nukes good)Sieg Zeon, go outside, think for yourself, have sex
>>287655109Yep. It's childish logic especially when they are right next to China.
Should lying to humanity like this be a capital offense?
>>287655109The real problem is the violent barbarian protectors have gone full retard and are hurting themselves in their confusion. Which makes sovereign capability even more important, granted.
>>287655590You lost the plot
War is bad but one should always be prepared to fight
>>287655523Why would that matter?China doesn’t engage in armed interventions across the globe to install fascist puppet regimes like the USChina hasn’t occupied Japan with military bases that terrorize the streets with rapist soldiers like the US hasThe best path forward for Japan is to ditch the US and become a communist ally to China, reverse course on the war crimes denials and apologize while begging China to free them from US hegemony
>>287655773Only those who are ready to be killed should kill (or whatever Lelouch’s motto was)
>>287655779Wumao pls
>>287655881Epstein please
>>287655779Why would the US install communist regimesYou are not very smart are you
>taps the sign.
>>287655779Offtopic but Chinese have committed far more crimes than occupying soldiers since the war ended with this being one of many infamous exampleshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukuoka_family_murder_caseAnd literally every day Chinese are causing pointless trouble for everyday anime & manga fans with this being a recent high profile examplehttps://x.com/LIBERTE__2024/status/2040052413273608343Nobody cares if armed interventions are happening across the world it doesn't affect any of us
>>287654428>author says Gundam is anti-war>"what is Gundam's message?"
>>287655903The US literally protected Japanese war criminals from trial to promote them as the postwar puppet government while suppressing socialist groups. US support for fascists in Japan was so effective that their nationalists abandoned a coup plot because they realized they could just vote for the guy they wanted to install as PM and the US had crushed their political opposition. One of those protected war criminals would be the PM at the signing of the post-occupation security treaty that has kept US bases in Japan as sites for importing rapists to terrorize the locals.
>>287655989>who cares about the US doing genocide for profit and destroying country after country, some Chinese dude on twitter did somethingTotally immoral slime You aren’t genuinely outraged about China, you just get a sexual kick out of regurgitating fascist propaganda like the sick freak that you are
>>287655779Japan has nothing to gain by allying with a paper tiger who would make them nothing better of a puppet than ManchukuoChina hasn’t occupied Japan with military bases that terrorize the streets with rapist soldiers like the US has YET
>>287654428>you didn't get the """""MESSAGE""""""Fuck all artists that cry about this, thinking that only their own interpratation is valid and anyone who picks his own is wrong. I'll never have a shred of respect for these pretentious fags
>>287656085Spamming off-topic nonsense will not turn anyone to your side, fuck off.
>>287656092It’s weird how you blame China for potentially doing what the US have been doing for decades
>>287656028>US support for communists in JapanYep, it's retarded
>>287656110I’m not the one who posted a twitter link lol
>>287656110didn't you just link twitter and complain about china
>>287656121It’s weird how you don't deny that Japan would be enslaved under a Chinese alliance and instead seethe about yankees
This is a boring commieschizo thread that should be on /m/
>>287656194Most Japanese companies use Twitter as their official and only means of dispersing information How does someone on /a/ not know this
>>287656203Only fascists care to try nitpicking the socioeconomics of fascism, everyone else just identifies fascism as militant far right authoritarianism. Normal people recognize talking about the economics of fascists is pointless because all fascists are depraved thieves and murderers who dress up their violence in wordy theories. Imperialist Japan was fascist, they exemplified the death cult at the core of fascism better than even the Nazis. In that sense, Japan has had fascistic culture ever since the feudal era with its military aristocracy and culture of worshiping death.
Tomino is just all over the place and inconsistent sometimes on his opinions and it's best not to take what he says so seriously on face value. He's never liked Gundam otaku though
>>287654428Macross did Gundam's message more coherently and better than Gundam ever did. Despite all of the lipservice paid to being 'anti-war', with the exception of War In the Pocket every gundam show still glorifies war. They are tales of exceptional heroes fighting villainous monsters and while they may bemoan the collateral damage along the way in the end it is only by force of might that good wins over evil. They whine about war and violence, but then in the end they win by being BETTER at war and violence than the other guy was. In Macross, every conflict starts as a military engagement but the end of each show is never resolved by force alone. The fighting is important, but only in that it prevents you from being defeated before you can figure out how to actually end the war. In SDF it was a cultural victory over the Zentradi that forced a large scale defection of Zentradi forces in defense of Earth. In 7 it was resolving the core resource shortage that made the Protodevlin want to farm humans in the first place. In Frontier the conflict with the Vajra is ended by realizing that the FTL communications network was confusing and aggravating their hive mind due to an unfortunate misunderstanding that made them think they were being attacked, and then stopping the Galaxy conspiracy from exploiting that vulnerability to turn the Vajra into weapons of war. These are fundamentally wars that were ended by diplomatic solutions that required you to understand the differences between yourself and the enemy and why they were fighting you in the first place, instead of just having better guns than they did.
>inb4 'this thread has been moved to /pol/'
>>287656368
>>287656390It should be. Or /m/. Nobody should be taking Tomino's opinions at face value either
>>287656335Oh, you’re the one that shitposts by making up these special snowflake definitions of things. I can’t remember what political term it was you were abusing last time.
>>287656472>i'm the only commie on the entire boardhahahaha
>>287656472Retard
>>287656558>commie is a schizo
Oh it was reactionary https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/286753931/#q286785516
So do you spend your own time looking up political terminology and coming up with stupid justifications for inverting meanings or is this a hobby on some other website and you bring the shit you see there here to shitpost?
You are not even old enough to post here.
>>287654428What other author should speak up about their retarded fans? My pick is Yoshiki Tanaka.
>>287654642Isn’t that contradictory?
OH THAT SO FUCKING HARD I IMAGINE WHAT COULD POSSIBLE THE MESSAGE OF THIS SERIES BE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlJ5j-hSUmQ
>>287656646nta but reposting an argument you lost is only shooting yourself in the foot
>>287656646Not gonna bother reading the context but that post is right, capitalism is left wing. By opposition to royalism which is right wing. Look up how the term left and right were coined. It was during the French Revolution, which as soon as it was hijacked by Freemasons became a revolution of the capitalists against the royalists.Even today the term liberal is used to refer to capitalism economically speaking, and just so happens to be a general term for leftist ideas socially speaking.
>>287654428>What's the message of Gundam?It's a combination of "The Politics of War are bad" and "WOW COOL ROBOT"The people who post this image are also missing the point: It's not even that War is bad or that Gundams aren't cool, it's that the politics that require people to use such advanced weaponry to kill each other instead of solving problems with such miracle technology are dumb and nonsense. Which is why I think people get mad at the seasons where characters intentionally act stupid: They're not acting dumb because they're dumb people, they're acting dumb because the situation they're put into wouldn't exist if politics were sensible or ran by logical people.
>>287657147It’s impossible to lose an argument with this shitposter, his entire gimmick is using terms wrong intentionally. Every definition he supplies is so poor that every encyclopedia literally says the opposite of what he does. That’s why it’s such an obvious tell that it’s him lol
>>287654428>What's the message of Gundam?Fuck Australia.
>>287657186sure he wanted that to be the message, but he is a retard so he failed>>287655515This anons got it right.>>287657209You don't understand how words work, that's why you keep running into this issue again and again with different people. The problem here is you are retarded.
>>287657186>They're not acting dumb because they're dumb people, they're acting dumb because the situation they're put into wouldn't exist if politics were sensible or ran by logical people.I mean, that doesn't excuse Tomino writing. Like in Victory Gundam where an adult woman makes a love confession to a 10 year old that she is actively trying to kill, gets rejected, and responds by flying back to her own based an kamikazi-ing into her own ship, destroying a previously unmentioned mobile armor in the process before it can even take off. Just absolute batshit moon logic of a script, which the writers expect you to just accept and move on from because now other things are happening.
>>287657154>Not gonna bother readinglol
>>287657275You’re the only one who claims words work this way, meanwhile every dictionary and encyclopedia ignores your nonsenseYou’re having to samefag a lot now that I pointed out how you consistently do this
>>287657209No idea who you’re talking about but encyclopedias can be wrong or biased anon. You know appeal to authority is a fallacy right?For example, the official definition of paraphilia was changed in the 1970s specifically to exclude homophilia from it for political reasons. The current definition makes no sense at all and different sources contradict each other, often bringing up concepts that are in the domain of the law or morality, rather than science or biology, into the mix. Does that means we should be using the nonsensical official definition over the much simpler one that comes from its etymology, an alternative attraction, as in, attraction to something you can’t breed with?
>>287657275>sure he wanted that to be the message, but he is a retard so he failedIt's been established 40 years ago that Tomino isn't the intelligent gigabrain writer that people make him out to be, but his message still stands: Even in the future where we have giant space colonies and tower-sized robots, we're still going to be throwing rocks at each other like cavemen over petty social sleights like "bad cavemen stole our berries". >>287657281>Just absolute batshit moon logic of a scriptI think that's also kind of the point, war wouldn't exist if it were ran by logical people. The adult woman who wants to have a love confession to a 10 year old is very obviously not right in the head, and giving her something like a Gundam is exceedingly irresponsible. At the same time that is what ends up happening when you select people to fight war, you get people who cannot be rational. Also >>287655515 is 100% right, since war is ran by irrational people, rational people must win wars to not be ruled by them.
>>287654428>What's the message of Gundam? Some dumb liberal garbage?Well it is 'fuck zionism'.
Damn, you make the “bad writing” threads and shitposts too
>>287654428If you want to sell an anti-war message, don't make war look cool.
>>287657406It's funny because I think the current era of Drone Warfare has been the biggest anti-war deterrent for normalfags since the invention of the nuke.
>>287657281Great point.It's like this scene which is right at the start so you don't have a bunch of bullshit to distract you from how retarded it is.Let's just murder this random guy for absolutely no fucking reason, because we all know how common that kind of thing is in Japan.>>287657393His message failed, like anon said the real message is basically the opposite of what he wanted.>>287657354retard
>>287654428I got the message loud and clear, fuck the aussiesSieg Zion!
>>287656085>immoralYou only have moral obligations to your friends and family, people that you don't know might as well not be people. Cope.
>>287657439It’s the exact opposite, for the reasons laid out in Gundam Wing. The invasion of Ukraine didn’t deter warfare in the slightest, the US and its colony Israel are expanding wars in ways that have been thought of as doomsday triggers for WWIII for the past 40 years. Drones have made it all the easier for industrialists to expand wars while the populace ignores the violence which doesn’t even have soldiers being sent home in caskets at the rate they would be if humans still had to do the dirty work.
>>287654428Who cares? nobody with a message worth telling is using anime to tell it
>noo you can't say war is le bad
>>287657499Congrats, you’re an evil sociopath
>>287657539Spoiled manchildren who benefit from imperialist wars get very upset when you point out their comfy way of life is underwritten by genocide and exploitation that makes them complicit in the atrocities, that’s why manchildren, especially Americans, have been trying to turn Gundam into an apolitical toy commercial instead of dealing with the messages Tomino puts in his works
>>287654428War bad. That's literally all it is. The whole point of every Gundam is war bad.
the Spacenoids are right. we must break free of that ball of dirt we came from and break free of the corrupt old world government.
>>287656931Hard to tell now that "nazi" means "person that slightly disagree with me".
>>287657701The problem is that the Earth Federation IS corrupt and shitty, but that doesn't mean that Zeon are not fucking psychopaths. Earth never gassed millions of their own people so that they could drop their home on another population center and kill millions more. Gihren teamkilled his own dad rather than let him broker peace, and the Zabi family itself was built on the false flag assassination of the movement's founder to usurp his position. Zeon could never have been allowed to win the war, judge them by their actions and you see an even more corrupt and cruel government than the EF ever was.
>>287655779Trvth Nvke
>>287657720That's the agreed upon definition based on scientific consensus, you are just trying to create your own definitions again.
>>287657796zoom zoom no cap
>>287657701https://youtu.be/ZwIexf-6h50?si=AZxXvJvXtVTO6xx-
This is what shat up that wha thread? This article? Jesus zoomers are weak and can't engage critically with the work they're watching.
>>287656108Most artists are out of touch autists. It also doesn't help that Japs have the senpai-kouhai culture of never questioning people with authority or clout. It's no wonder Japan regressed.
>>287657802>That's the agreed upon definition based on scientific consensusa socialist of the national flavor>scientific consensuswhat science? polysci isnt a science. bunch of commie lecturers pull pitting at teenagers isnt a 'consensus' anymore than furries claiming demikin is an actual gender
>>287657905It’s largely the work of a single person. Every time you see twitter drama get brought to /a/, it’s him. Pretty sure he also does the “bad writing” thread spam about NGE, FMA, S;G, Geass, etc
>>287658002If he is shitting up flop hat threads then I have to salute this hero.
>>287657978If you can’t argue against those academics and convince teenagers to use your language instead of theirs, you’ve failed to prove your definitions have any merit.You aren’t smart just because you’re too lazy to go to college lol
>>287658074I intentionally strawman you with some retarded bullshit and you still defend it.Holy kek
>>287654428>What's the message of Gundam?BUY GUNPLA
>>287658074>You aren’t smart just because you’re too lazy to go to college loli have a masters in chemistry. imagine wasting 4 years of your life and tens of thousands in debt just to call people fascists on twitter>and convince teenagers to use your language instead of theirsi guarantee you andrew tate is more persuasive to teenagers than the entirety of every polysci department, hell trump is president again.
>>287658116The only retard spouting bullshit is you, that’s why none of your definitions match encyclopedias or the common usage of words. If you tried this out on the street, everyone would look at you like you’re a crazy person. This sort of word game inverting the definitions of things is only seen among terminally online neonazi pedophiles on /pol/ who need meaningless games to occupy their time spent shitposting and circlejerking.The difference is I can go out and say “gender is a construct” and everyone knows exactly what I mean, many already having gone beyond binary themselves. >>287658220Nice LARP
>>287658290You disagree with me so you are a nazi
>>287654428>in the may 2026 issue... its still april...
>>287658290>Nice LARPof having a chem degree? nigger its not the 1600's, it aint magic, just go to lectures, take notes and review before exams. 90% of it is just understanding the concepts and memorization >This sort of word game inverting the definitions of things is only seendefine woman>and everyone knows exactly what I meanthat you're a retarded faggot and will cry hate speech if someone disagrees with you
>>287654428>>287654568Why do mutts get so upset at >war is bad?
>>287658434I asked my dogs and they don't care.
>>287654785What is this non sequitur?You can dislike immigrants and at the same time not sucking american dick and their retarded warmongering (which is by extension, Israel's dick)
>>287658425Of course it’s hate speech when you disagree with me, you’re another illiterate neonazi cunt motivated entirely by hate. Go ahead and post your diploma with a time stamp, LARPer.>>287658434Because all burger quality of life is supported by genocide and exploitation at the hands of a world spanning military industrial complex. If you remind Americans that they are immoral monsters whose every comfort is paid for by murder, they get really defensive.
>>287658434because its good actually. no wwii, no anime
>>287657456>His message failedAgain, it didn't.
>>287654428>What's the message of Gundam?The previous generation pushing their problems and expectations on the next is incredibly fucked up and WILL hurt children.Its pretty fucking beaten into your head
>>287658571Didn't you say you agreed with that post, because you are contradicting yourself.
>>287658002I don't understand why this triggered the guy to spam it everywhere? Tomino has been saying this exact shit since the 90s
>>287658629Then Tomino clearly hasn't learned his lesson.
People shouldn't even be discussing communism in a Tomino thread considering he's very hostile to it in this very interview and the faggot who made this article didn't include it. He's basically been a centrist his entire life
>>287658629He does it with every trending drama on twitter among right wing tourists, that’s why he started on the WHA threads only recently with the anime start and interview making it trendy on twitter. It doesn’t matter what the topic is, just that’s it’s a trending drama. If you wanted, you could get him to start spamming /a/ with whatever anime topic you wanted by making it trend of twitter first.
>>287658546correct your tone, you speak to a MASTER
>>287654428Tomino is literally a boomer bro. A hippie. No shit.
>>287658002>>287658629>>287658732Are you people talking about commieschizo? I don't think this thread is by him
>>287658748
>>287658748That’s Welsh in the center, right? Neat they print some on there. At last an actual person, so I’ll give you that much.A shame you’re a right wing retard regurgitating American propaganda created by the Epstein class and distributed through the Mockingbird media controlled by the CIA though.
Pay Tomino no mind, he likes to be contrarian and contradictory to ragebait Gundam JP otaku.
>>287658748Owned the twitter /leftypol/ tourist
>>287658902>regurgitating American propaganda created by the Epstein class and distributed through the Mockingbird media controlled by the CIA though.thats gender 'theory', the cia office staff all wear pride lanyards... and its mandatory.
>>287656108If you're the creator, then yes, your interpretation is the only one that matters
>>287658983Au contraire mademoiselle, for beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
>>287658962No, it’s anti-communism. Literally all right wing sentiment in the post-war period is a collaboration between American fascists and the Nazi pets they saved through measures like Operations Sunrise and Paperclip. Trump’s mentor was Roy Cohn, where we see the exact intersection between the postwar deep state’s propaganda and sex trafficking/blackmail arms. McCarthyism and the Red Scare, that’s the sort of thing the CIA pushes. Then and now, every white trash piece of shit spouting anti-communist drivel is the definition of brain dead cattle following along with child fucking fascist elites. The Epstein class taught you to hate woke stuff because that’s the actual ideology that opposes war, slavery, and child trafficking.
All Gundam has the same 3 messages:-the young shouldn't have to carry with the burden of the mistakes of the past-War bad-Israel bad
>>287659206Communication and perspectives beyond time are also key ingredients
>>287659206>shouldn't have toAs long as we are making wishes then everyone should have a pony.
>>2876593234 statements but only 1 is wrong
Does he know about Starship Troopers? It had the same problem where its anti-war and anti-fascism messages went right over the viewer's heads
>>287659385You're just cattle meant to be slaughtered, your children will be raped and eaten by the ultra rich.
>>287659392Depends on what you mean, the book actually had the same message as the movie, it's just that the director wanted to subvert the book and he failed to do so.
>>287655515>nothing about sexing the spacenoids Son, I am disappointed
>>287659433It’s a fantastic subversion, but the dumbest part of the American public is so heavily brainwashed by fascist propaganda that they couldn’t even see the open mockery of themselves
>>287659527>everyone disagrees with me and that proves they are wrongwhat a cope
>>287654428>What's the message of Gundam?Its a gundamExplodes
>>287659548Wasn't this guy big on majority consensus, man that tune sure changed fast.
>>287659548But it’s not everyone, when I was a kid we all knew Starship Troopers was a sarcastic parody and that’s why cartoons like Invader Zim took off as well. The openly fascist and so-dumb-they’re-fascist segment of America is a minority that happen to be very loud on the internet because they can’t do this stuff in real life.
>>287654645Anti-AI retards are the biggest crybabies of all time. You're completely vacant, braindead, and brainwashed by the way.
>>287659676And then everyone clapped.
>>287659676You still are a kid
>>287659738If being an adult means becoming a neonazi pedophile like the losers on /pol/ then I’ll happily stay a child watching anime until the day I die lol
>>287659718Literally everything AI produces is slop
>>287660023
>>287654428war bad, pussy good, have sex, don't do guns.
>>287657406>don't make war look cool.have you watched any UC Gundam?
>>287658434burgers are so coddled that they invent probelms to get mad at.
>>287660165
>>287658748>sheepshagger chemisty well at least it's not the liberal arts or worse political "sciences" t-lawfag
>>287660494>t-devilRight on, hail Satan and all that
>>287659718Keep seething, AIdrone
>>287659142Where can I read more about this?
>>287660635>Where can I find more schizo posts?Practically anywhere on the internet
>>287660742I need some help, how can I become an expert at sniffing cat piss like you?
>>287660947If you have critiques of that analysis, I’d love to see it. Make sure to include your citations.
>>287660996mods might be useless pieces of shit but this isn't pol
>>287660996L + ratio
Okay, war is bad. I got the message.What now? What am I supposed to do now? What does Tomino want me to do with that message to "prove" I "really got" it? How do I "prove" I "got it" exactly?Am I supposed to become a political activist? Am I supposed to spend my entire life from now on looking at the new and seething at how politicians are bad and fucking up everything? Am I supposed to lead protest marchs?Like, I got it, and then? What do you want me to do exactly? Am I supposed to supplant my entire life to some vague nebulous goal because of a cartoon about robots?
>>287661043Amusingly, that channel is now covering Japanese postwar politics so it will be an amazing resource for anyone who wants to understand anime and manga, especially a series like Gundam.>>287661108He spells it out in the last interview, you’re supposed to think about it for yourself, not look to him for an answer like that.
>>287661163I'm way past being amused by retards
>>287660742I can't believe these videos are free. Life altering. Thank you.
>>287661232You can pay to get early access, I think the Japan series might be finished already if you do
>>287661232Great troll
>>287660996>flat earther asking for a debatelol
>>287661232samefag
>>287661163Okay, I thought about it for myself. I still think that I wanna see cool robots fight each other.And we go back to step 1, what he's going about in this interview, about him being butthurt that because I just wanna see cool robots fight, that means "I don't get it"and "I'm watching Gundam wrong" and "kids these days don't know about war (neither does he since he was born in post-war Japan so his butthurt is coming out of his ass)".All he's doing on this interview is being the usual prototypical boomer butthurt that kids don't see the world the exact same he does. Doing the exact same shit he criticizes about his fellow industry boomers ironically enough.I'll give him props for one thing: How he said in the interview that it is his fault for not teaching the next generation better, yet another typical prototypical boomer issue, not teaching the next gen and then being butthurt they don't magically know "how to do it". Guess he finally realized he kinda fucked up now that he's so fucking old he could drop at any random moment. Too little, too late though.
>>287661424Who asked?
>>287661506I accept your concession.
>>287661424You're a grown man. It's time to move on from wanting to see giant toys fight. Please, go outside. Get a job. Talk to that nice girl behind the register at Aldi's. Start a family. Please.
>>287661506I asked.
>>287661549Damn, you’re that desperateSo how many shitposting threads do you make per week would you say? Estimates are fine, although a breakdown of which types you make would be appreciated
>>287658505Its an anti japan schizo, he spams this shit whenever he can, he is probably the same guy that spam anti japan news threads in /pol/, an indian living in canada
>>287661653The commieschizo hates japan? Makes sense.
>>287661559I have a wife who likes watching the pretty boys piloting the cool robots fighting and also a kid who likes watching the cool robots fighting too.What now?
>>287661629Holy mother of projection.
>>287660588it's not our fault you can't be bothered to read the contract in full before signing
>>287661835I guess another way to ask would be, are you responsible for every type of template that gets posted daily or is there at least one of the templates you’re not responsible for?
>>287662089so my parents sell their firstborn and it's supposed to be my fault? man you devils are something else
>>287661810Imaginary people don't count.
>>287654428why do tomino and anno hate their fans
>>287663890nobody cares about this. bigger issue is you " upvoting " a ragebait post from the dead
>>287663890I've wondered about that often.
>>287663890they wanted their series' to be more than toy commercials.
>>287663890>>287664024>>287664081They don't, the three of you are just massive faggots
>>287664095Since when were you under the impression that’s three people?
Organic post
>>287664125I actually wouldn't be surprised and didn't even think of this lol
Tomino is trash anyways
Hey guys what are your thoughts on water?
>>287664396obese
>>287664433Do you drink water?
>>287664496
Why is he so hysterical?
>>287664817>>287654428Tired of hearing it. Your entire life's legacy is built on the simple fact that from a detached perspective most men do, in fact, think war looks awesome. You couldn't sell your message without the cool robot to get people in the door. Get off your high horse.
>>287664817>Why is he so hysterical?Dehydration, unironically.
>>287655515Based
>>287658434because we hold such immense power that if a major country were to officially go to war with us then it would likely be the end of the world
As a military geek, I say the problem with Tomino is that he keeps making more Chars which sets the expectations for the politician to get into the robot. There's less Ghirens, Zabis who run the things. The Britannia is the last bastion of dictatorship. Gundam has gotten too obsessed with getting into the robot. I also think Tomino is to blame. He could promote Kai and Hayato more, but he's hell bent on Char.
>>287664817Because the world is sleepwalking into various flavors of fascist hellscape and nobody’s doing anything to stop it.
>>287664817i will never ever understand japanese mentality that they always think the country is going into the shitters and they still vote for the same party again and again and again
>>287664817I mean, if I had WW2 as my childhood and was currently seeing multiple countries just rape the independence of several other countries for no other reason than misplaced pride and greed, all while my own country slides into wanting to reverse most of its peace minded policies, I'd probably feel pretty annoyed too.
>>287655109Tomino never thought self-defense was bad. No wonder /m/ called you retarded.
>>287666040self-defense leads to war and war is bad! much better to be the noble victim.
>>287665860Tomino is a boomer like Toriyama in that he longs for the post-war Japan which was blue collar and unsophisticated with student rebellions. He doesn't like modern Japan cause it's just repeating the politics without learning a lesson. You'd think conservatives would moderate after watching Abe get gunned down by his rhetoric, but they're doubling down. Then again Tomino is one of those boomers who think Japan is going bad.Shima is more nuanced where Japan had a surplus of baby boomers who lost their jobs and caused them to go full D-Fens.
>>287666828Erm actually war is good!
>>287654428Buy our merchandise
>>287664817>still upvoting the threadYou faggots should be embarrassed for replying to a bot
>>287658434>>287660165About as deep as saying people DIE when they are KILLED. Not going to call you smart over this.>Right wing, left wingWhat's with all this retarded bait over toy commercials?>>287667238I broke the only gunpla I attempted to build. Cracked a shoulder.
Feddies should have just surrendered peacefully to Zeon's demands. Billions more innocents died because of Feddie warmongers lead by war criminal General Revil.
Seriously, Gundam's whole thing is "War is bad", and it though it's not subtle about it it's not always in-your-face either.
>>287654428>war is le bad so you will watch epic space battles with giant robots to see how war is le badThat's the message?
Even Naruto does a better job conveying "war is bad" than Gundam does
>>287654428Does Tomino think he's a war veteran for watching bombs drop from really far away? It's not hard to find random, undetonated explosives over at some beaches here. I don't think anyone would consider themselves one over getting gibbed on those.>"You don't even need to look at the example of Nazi Germany to see that dictatorships are usually established through elections.">Democracy is literally Nazism, actuallyGoddamit, old man. Shut up and die already.
>>287667753The entire pre-hidden-village arc. Lol. Dammit.
>>287667906Its true though, there has never ONCE been a military dictatorship that came into power with a violent coup.
>>287667965
>>287667595>Gundam's whole thing is "War is bad"that's extremely surface level and just outs you as not having seen and paid attention to any of it.
>>287658434extreme privilege.
>>287663890they don't hate them, they are just critical, which makes insecure self hating retards feel oppressed.
>>287664817He is correct though.
>>287665111Tomino has spent his whole career making fun of the Char archetype and how 'The Great Man' theory is bullshit. It's not his fault that people are way too retarded.
>>287668160So Africa should be pretty war free then right?
Papa tanuki is alive in this universe
>>287668423Her dad is her sister, after all.
>>287668428No. her sister is her bike
Is it just me or does Zeon get off too-scot free? Titans aside you'd think gassing a colony of their fellow spacenoids and killing half the population would make them more reviled, but there's still a sold support base like 30 years after the fact. The only conceivable explaination is that the Feds are as bad if not worse, but the shows already go into that detail a lot
>>287667463Zeon shouldn't have made themselves so blatantly evil by gassing the very people they claimed to want to liberate and then drop one of the colonies onto the Earth, and rather openly developing other weapons of mass destruction.
>>287668695Well, the one year war did start with both sides nuking each other I think
>>287668730It was Zeon launching the nukes within seconds of their declaration of independence and war, the Feddies only did so back after getting nuked first.
>>287654428Liberals were pushing for nuclear war with Russia. Are you confused? Anti-war isnt a liberal message. Nor is it a conservative one. Its isolationist message, a non-interventionist message, a libertarian one
>>287668807Libertarians are not anti-war, anon, literally every libertarian I know IRL (including two who are literal card-carrying members of the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania) want Trump to nuke Iran.
>>287668580>killing half the populationzeon and feds were both responsible for that.
>>287657186You are wrong. War is completely logical. Thinking there could ever be world peace is illogical. War is the result of people having different values, beliefs and even beyond that the fact that there are limited resources both physically and metaphysically means that beings will always have to fight for dominance over each other. For someone's tribe to prosper, another's must suffer. Even moreso, in order for one tribe to even exist another must die. Every pleasure you have comes at the expense of another. Thinking you can keep the world in perpetual peaceful balance is stark lunacy. There will always come a tipping point from where conflict erupts. Always. We live upon a blood altar where even existence itself will eventually meet a violent end. Never forget that.
>>287668850You know two libertarians. Exactly two. And they're idiots.
>>287668850>he thinks the American "Liberation" Party are actual libertariansWell there's your problem, anon. You're fucking retarded.
>>287654428You know what? I don't understand why so many stories try to impart a moral message. War is cool if your side wins, that's all.It's like, sure - You have your message, but I do not agree and I do not accept it. I'm just here for the fights, and the war crimes. I have no interest in the sort of limp-wristed navel-gazing thing. This is why Thunderbolt was great: Io turns to out be the most well-balanced character in the entire cast, because being a pilot is something he can emotionally put aside. He's not tormented by it, he feels Gundams are cool, and the military-industry complex is his biggest backer!Just let shit be morally neutral.
>>287668850Most normal people have a streak of libertarian running through their blood. That is "live and let live". The expansion to this feeling on geopolitical front is, defund the gov and military, and stop messing with others. And this feeling is alive in both dominant political parties.
>>287654428The message is>you should let in dozens of millions of jeets and negroes into your country
>>287656325>depraved thieves and murderers who dress up their violence in wordy theoriesThis describes communists perfectly actually
>>287654428The message is to sell toys to man children.
>>287654428The message of Gundam is cool mecha anime and toys making war look like fiction so that people have too much fun to actually kill each other
>>287654456I know he is because I always call him a retard in every threads that he makes in /a/
>>287659206All Gundam series has a recurring theme of you should have done what was necessary instead of hoping the future becomes better just because you solved the current problem. All of them go back to killing each other, this is especially true with the UC timeline. Maybe only the 00 timeline is where peace was actually achieved through some alien connection bullshit.
>>287668995>only registered party members count, and they're dumb>>287669011>party members don't count, they're dumbAt least we can all agree the party is dumb.
>>287658748>Norton on the computerBro offset his chem degree in the same image.
>>287666828That has never been Tomino's stance on the matter, self-defense is acceptable.
>>287666828Finally someone understands Tomino's stance
>>287654428>>287658696people who say Tomino flipflops get called lying netouyo or whatever by Japanese leftists because all discourse is an ideological war zone now but he clearly does. he's friends with both hardcore anti war types and right wingers like Akiman who like Gundam as escapism and whichever group he pays lip service to more depends on his mood. he's clearly upset about all the wars going on now but if he thought "problematic" fans were invalid he wouldn't be working with Akiman for Himiko Yamato right now.
>>287666040>>287666828https://ayamekareihikagami.hateblo.jp/entry/2017/11/30/235940Xabungle had an entire episode about how defensive violence is good. he doesn't want constitutional revision for America & Israel but he's not opposed to Japan independently defending itself
>>287668408You think the civilians getting massacred are pro-war?
>>287672007>civilians
>>287658748wtf is that gibberish language lmao
>>287671980>flipflopsHe's a typical woman, can't make up his mind.
>>287659392>>287659548Tomino was inspired by the Starship Troopers book IIRC. Gundam is not remotely ironic so it's nothing like the Starship Troopers movie. you ARE meant to get invested in robot fights involving characters you care about, and the show makes sure to make you care about both sides; it's an approach to war similar to how Miyazaki praises both the German & Russian soldiers in his Otto Carius manga. the appeal of the action doesn't lie in "siding with good guy, cheering when they beat the bad guy" but in the resourcefulness & character of all sides and how those things clashthe issue is Tomino pays lip service to various types of people as I said before depending on his feelings at the moment
>>287672092>bookOne side is absolutely good and the other is absolutely evil.
>>287658748>Norton 360
>>287654785Tomino either flipflops or has conflicting views on diversity too, for the record. in the Animage article he says "increased diversity is making white Christian evangelicals fear losing their privilege so they view Trump as a god" https://x.com/Char_Tweet/status/2043883718960402497but then he also said this in 2024 https://zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=11869
>>287672152this older quote makes his view sound more like "well yeah we're different but this is how the world is now so we'd better do our best to get along as much as possible" https://x.com/htGOIW/status/1737852988268658939there were multipl eJapanese leftists saying TOMINO SHOULD FIRE AKIMAN IF HE TRULY CARES ABOUT WEEDING OUT THE REACTIONARIES but it's worth noting it was Akiman of all people who made Tomino reconsider his racist biases. almost like people are complicated and there's a reason Tomino says shit like this. >>287658696 I think he's consciously trying to avoiding having culture war allegiances attributed to him (but they will be anyway)
>>287654428This is why Unicorn is most in line with Gundam's original intention
>>287672092>surely the viewers are going to side with the disgusting bugs that attacked earth firstWhy did the retarded commie director think this would work again?>thinkYeah you are right, I'm being too generous. But it just shows how delusional they are.
>>287657439Not really, /k/ (even if most of the board are literal paid trolls from the government) jerks off over drone footage and 30% of the US are brainwashed boomers who think Fox News war cheerleading is good. In Israel that number is 80%.>>287657523Drones literally even the playing field. There is no US invasion of Iran now because enough people know that it will be a Vietnam level meat grinder because of drones. People paid attention to what happened in Ukraine with drones.
>>287672275>InvasionHalf assing shit is dumb. Either don't fight or else you should intentionally kill the entire population. If they actually had the willpower to fight a real war drones would not be relevant.
>>287668220I mean that anime has moved away from middle aged men voicing characters towards idols. Geeks don't exist at any capacity or are celebrated now like they were in the 80s and 90s. Gundam is geared at normies which is why it sucks.
>>287672236see I don't really agree with that. "DISGUSTING FUCKING BUGS" bugs are cool, the fact that they kinda freak you out is part of what makes them interesting. however the way it kinda plays into & enables (not outwardly stated but heavily implied) views like "look how ugly these filthy browns look, they're like bugs, the libturd movie is telling us to not hate either" is kind of hard to ignore and using literal bugs as a "criticizing how war dehumanizes the opposition" might be a messy metaphor. on the other hand I don't think it was meant to be a straight up identity politics movie - for one the writer literally called political correctness a form of fascism, something you don't see from leftists anymore. sadly this is from an old, OLD interview that I found by googling the direct words from a Rob Ager video quoting it, which is also unlisted/deleted now and I could only view it on archive.org so it would take eons to dig it up. however I think it's worth noting just how ethnically diverse the movie's cast is. they cited Noam Chomsky as an inspiration (epstein diddyblud I know but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater) and Chomsky said before "capitalism is not inherently racist at all"I think the all-encompassing irony is what harms Verhoeven Starship Troopers the most. Robocop approached the general sociopolitical criticism like idea of the police force force dehumanizing the protagonist & him regaining his identity more earnestly while Starship Troopers is just "lol we're tricking the yokels while the fine wine diners can appreciate the true message, hehe" it's more elitist thus very hard to fully support
>>287672322The entire framework is set up to make them a completely unsympathetic villain. You would just have to scrap too much of the book for such a message to even be tenable.
>>287672342coward
>>287672356>>287672342>>287672372sorry the tiny fucking post window makes it time-consuming to check for typos after I'm done writing so I always delete and repost when I notice anybut my view is that making you doubt your default "ugh disgusting" reaction to bugs as part of the movie's message isn't bad because bugs are cool. life becomes more interesting if you take a more hippie approach to "gross" life forms because they're really fun creatures.
>>287672395>making you doubt your default "ugh disgusting" reaction to bugsNo reason to do so is ever presented.
>>287672152Trump would support Amuro, Kamille, Judau, Shinji, and Domon by giving them the robot.
>>287660118but mech fights in 0079 are still cool, just in a different way. again more similar to Miyazaki's Otto Carius manga than the typical "my side vs the other side" approach where the fun lies in humanizing everyone & seeing approaches and personalities clash, everyone trying their best to survive a shitty situation, vs a basic monkey-brained tribal sense of fun. not that the tribal monkey-brained sense of fun is bad; Masamune Shirow talked about how fantastical sci-fi alien enemies make it easier to enjoy conflict *without* bringing real human nations or ethnicities into it (it was something ehoba/htgoiw posted, I'm not digging it up for one reply)>>287672417yeah as I say I'm torn on the film's messaging in general. not defending it wholeheartedly
>>287668220He spent his whole career circlejerking that archetype.>bububut he's a quadruple vaginaTomino just gets off on that kind of humiliation stuff, 99% of Char scenes are just there to make him look cool and 1% are a humiliation ritual
>>287672485I mean there's something to be said about Char owning the Titans with a perfect speech in Zeta that perfectly summarizes why that approach is wrong and fascistic then using more or less the exact same means in CCA"but Tomino said the world would be better if a big part of humanity died off" again he flipflops but I don't think he'd actually support mass ecofascist genocide
>>287654428>Some dumb liberal garbage?No, it's not 'liberal' it has made some liberal points and it makes some reactionary and conservative points too. It's a commentary on conflict, the writer is just mad people don't agree with his intended message. Like a faggot.
>>287672557again he's a flipflopper who likely took this stance now because he's mad about the current wars going on. he literally said "0079 was not pro or anti-war" before >>287671980 and akiman who's friends with him called him an itako (blind spirit medium)
>>287672506>something to be saidWhat is there to be said other than "tomino is a hack"
You can't have post-war economy without war.
>>287672634I mean that's how it goes, isn't it? that's how humans are. I say that getting as close as possible to understanding & harmony, freedom while not harming others etc is good but get inner thoughts like "man, it would be so cool to have a button to erase everyone who thinks like this" when I get pissed off
>>287658902>Um excuse me goyim but its the RIGHT hand thats killing you, not the left and you are NOT allowed to talk about the head controlling the hands you evil nazi biggot!!!!!
>>287672665>when I get pissed offRookie mistake, you should be thinking like this all the time with a happy zen mind.
>>287672665No, that's not how it goes. People don't swing from one conviction to another in a matter of years, at least not adults. CCA makes no sense, Tomino was just in a bad mood when he wrote it and ecoterrorism was in the news back then
>>287655779>um excuse me but instead of being the slave to america japan should be the slave to china. LMAO
>>287672717Yeah that unironically would be better. Jap culture would be positively influenced because Chinamen like moe and mecha and Burgerfats do not
>>287672741
>>287672741after banning video games for decades for being opioids for the masses the first thing you did after unbanning them was turn them into feverish unfeeling and vile pachinko to make a haafu korean jp yakuza blush at your greed and malice for your fellow gamers. China has nothing of value to offer japan culturally but the same low trust slop that is being pushed by pissreal now. they need guns and nukes and to tell everyone to fuck off.
>>287672700they absolutely do and few people involved in politics are truly "adults" (hell I doubt anyone posting ITT is "truly an adult"). look at trump campaigning on "RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES" then calling it a shitlib psyop, look at how leftist figureheads used to side with the ADL only a few years ago.>>287672698and what would I gain from it? hard to achieve a zen state from drinking poison>>287672741honestly at this point I'm petty enough to agree. still evil but a lesser/less annoying evil
>>287672810>reality is poisonngmi
>>287667360Anon, no one said "war is bad" is a smart message. People however seem to pretend that it is a bad message.
The thing about Tomino is that he's full of shit. Never take anything he says seriously.
>>287672506I grew up with the old Canadian dub and Char alternates between lying and being bored. Tomino wants to make speeches, but his characters are schizos who have no reason to make grandiose stuff.
>>287654428>What's the message of Gundam? Some dumb liberal garbage?Considering Tomino litters all of his works with woke DEI garbage such as POCs, racemixing, and fags & trannies (Turn A being the number 1 worst offender), yeah pretty much. The best Gundam is unironically the AU Wing that he wasn’t involved in, and only because it actually looked like a normal anime for once and not something produced by California.Say what you will about Miyazaki and his anti-war and environmentalism autism but that’s still better than sinking so low as to go full Hollywood DEI woketard pandering the way Tomino has always done. He is literally the only person in the entire anime industry who does that shit besides Watanabe, and their works both equally suck because of it.
>>287672853I mean that's often the point. a big part of Xabungle's whole shtick is characters trying to be cool and grandiose and fumbling it. Brain Powerd has shit like Jonathan & Yuu trying to do an epic mutual headbutt while fighting and it just ends up hurting them both. Tomino shows have a lot of self-aware awkwardness.>>287672824how is that reality, man. my views aren't even represented by any political faction with significant power>>287672798china made plants vs zombies fusion :^)
>>287672893talking to a petty "man" is a lost cause
>>287672891
>>287672485>99% of Char scenes are just there to make him look cool and 1% are a humiliation ritualThis is true if you only watched Origin.
>>287672891you guys are why it's hard to separate diversity that helps a work from robotic pandering. you actually are the strawman the other culture war side paints everyone who disagrees with them as.>He is literally the only person in the entire anime industry who does that shit besides Watanabevery goofy to say this. there's more but the WHA anime is airing right now and it's made for the kind of people who think Beyonce is peak black culture & go "what's wrong with trigger warnings" on 4chan. you can disagree with Watanabe's "no borders we are all one race the human race" politics but he likes genuinely cool shit & mixes together said cool shit in his cartoons; if he dismissed "le filthy browns" you couldn't have that. "white identitarian" tastes in music for example are just as empty as the tastes of a woke pitchfork poptimist
>>287672891retard
>>287664817He's right.
>>287673005You are talking about a failure anon, no one likes that shit.
>>287673041the west does. and that only helps my point because Japan liked Bebop (despite memes claiming America saved it or whatever, it's one of the top rated shows on Anikore) but don't care about the she/they cartoon
>>287673066>the west does.Okay post the western manga sales numbers.Clearly the nips hate it, that's why no one buys it.
>>287672798Gachas have unironically convinced me that Chinamen understand anime much better than westerners. They're very good at making cute anime girls, possibly better than the Japanese themselves now. The Japanese are a too stuck in their old tropes whereas Chinamen are not afraid to iterate on those tropes and make weird stuff like a young innocent girl with a talking mecha tail that has the personality of her own older more cynical self (the girl is a clone of a dead person, the tail has her original digitalized brain). This is the kind of moe innovation you just don't see in Japan anymore
>>287673000He's cool in literally every scene of 79 what are you on about. The humiliation only starts in Z and even then it's mostly glossed over
>>287673113my point is that not all progressive themes are created equally. something that helps is such views coming from genuine interest in other cultures vs it stemming from tribalism.
>>287673155It clearly didn't help since those are extremely axeable numbers. It's probably being financed by foreign investors who don't care about making money.
>>287673239dude I'm just saying the black guy in Brain Powerd isn't the same thing as what authors influenced by post-2010s pop-political discourse do
>>287656931Japan was feeling ashamed for what they did in WW2. Yamato and Gundam were just patriotic propaganda that simultaneously condemn Nazism.
>>287673272That argument doesn't work when it's the main character.
>>287673356IIRC (no source right now, sorry, maybe googling the Japanese keywords would bring it up, but IIRC it was a recounting and not a direct quote so take this with a grain of salt) Tomino said something like "Yamato is right-wing propaganda" and honestly I kinda felt similarly watching ep 1 of season 2. the talk between Susumu & Yuki also doubling as a speech to the audience kinda screamed "interventionism is good". I love season 1 though>>287673369I dunno what your points are. this is such a confusing exchange
>>287673432>I'm having trouble followingThis conversation started when a different anon mentioned Turn A Gundam, you can look up the main character if you are not familiar.
>>287673432>Tomino said something like "Yamato is right-wing propaganda" and honestly I kinda felt similarly watching ep 1 of season 2.Because it didn’t have a diverse enough cast for either of you? You woketards always treat every piece of media like the second coming of Hitler if there aren’t enough shitskin or faggot/troon characters.
>>287673143He still gets his ass repeatedly handed to him by Amuro. Dozle suspends him after Garma's death and he would have died in obscurity if Kycilia hadn't taken him in. He gets outmogged by Challia in newtype potential, so much that Char and Lalah heave a sigh of relief at that man's demise. His insert song is a big troll one where he gets schooled by Amuro once again. Post 0079 Char gets humiliated even more on a consistent basis.
>>287673491>>287673505sorry man, not seeing the "Netflix DEI" in Loran. it does come off as "woke is when browns exist". was Fleischer cartoons working with Cab Calloway DEI
>>287673511That's just a character growing over the course of the series. He's a rival character so he has to grow alongside Amuro
>>287673356>0079>patriotic propaganda
>>287673544>not seeing the "Netflix DEI" in LoranI'm not seeing how you are not seeing it.
>>287673544>LoranA brown man who almost troons out and then proceeds to racemix with the blonde & blue-eyed white woman? You really can’t see the agenda pushing in a main character like that?
>>287667965french empire, arguably the athenian league
>>287673369>>287673491loran is not black you dumb nigger.
>>287673633you tried
>>287673581you haven't watched the show.
>>287673581>fetishy cross-dressing is trooning>race freaking mixing!!!yeah I stand by everything I said. if tomino wimps out to generic pop-leftism as a senile old man people like you will be partly to blame for creating a world where you can only choose the hacky partisan side you see as less bad & hope it reduces harm
>>287673671>if
>>287673671>fetishy cross-dressing is trooning>race freaking mixing!!!You forgot the gay black man who tries to get Loran to troon out and characters like these disgusting creature existing.
>>287673778that's the same as this you're right
>>287673797Exactly, glad to hear we are on the same page.
>>287673797>that's the same as this you're rightFor the Japanese it is.
>>287654428Cool robots are cool.
>>287654428>war is bad>I made another 3 tv shows explaining u war is badThis...is so thought-provoking...and...deepYou can't make fiction about war....unless you experienced war...Wait a second...Tomino never served in the army. Never participate in actual combat. He was bombed at best (I'm right now bombed too in Russia LMAO). He isn't even qualified to write anything about warfare without experience by his own metrics. Especially warfare in space when he doesn't even know shit about science. Meanwhile >The Wheel of Time author>serve in Vietnam war >survived helicopter crash >has science degree >wrote fantasy kino without any preaching Anyway there is nothing more pathetic than washed-up author abusing his old popularity (authority) to push some agenda. Miyazaki did it too. Anno did it too. Countless writers and celebrities do it.
>>287673868for westaboos it is. sadly a lot of em but only people who care deeply about disney give a shit about befri
>>287673932how did anno do it
>>287673932>Anyway there is nothing more pathetic than washed-up author abusing his old popularity (authority) to push some agenda. Miyazaki did it too. Anno did it too. Difference is neither Miyazaki or Anno resort to wokeshit the way Tomino does, at least the agendas they are trying to push don’t involve DEIslop.
>>287654428I think we should drop a space colony on earth
>>287673948something rebuilds
>>287673932Shame about what happened to her.
>>287673948I remember him talking shit about young people and something about politics.
>>287673932you have to be pretty retarded to watch gundam and only manage to pick up 'war bad' from it.
>>287674272>You have to be pretty retarded to watch gundumbTrue
>>287674272Retardbros...
>>287674359Zeek girls look like THAT?
>>287658546im american and i dont feel bad, peoples you got conquered by other, superior peoples. It happens, get over it. That being said, "war is bad" has become a warcry amongst the smug reddit pseudointellectual. It's not deep or profound, it's about as philosophically engaging as a baby suddenly learning to speak and saying "pooping my diaper bad" except the redditards will cry harder than the baby will if no one listens.
>>287673005What’s wrong with trigger warnings?
>>287658434Some people need to get the war veteran experience package to see what real life is like, outside of movies.
>>287675180They trigger me, I need a trigger warning trigger warning.
>>287672417The bugs do that exact thing with Nausicaa, as they tentacle massage her.The Ohmu are protecting the trees that are purifying the lands, too.
>>287656108Death of the author is a post-modern hoax.
>>287659206>Gundam is antisemiticI watched the netflix version and it most certainly wasn't. Requiem for a Vengeance or what was it.
>>287675415completely agreed but authorial intent is complicated when you have guys like tomino & miyazaki who change their minds all the time. chances are if they bare their souls making something something different, even conflicting aspects of their personalities & worldviews can be present. or something being made by people with opposing views like leiji & nishizaki in yamato where you have both pro war and anti war elements
>>287654428The guy is getting old. Incoherent unc lamentations about dem zoomahs eating tide pods n shietWhat does he exactly expect people to do? Shake their heads with arms crossed whenever violence occurs on screen? Does he think that watching his work means you have to agree with him? Most people believe that "war is like, fucked up maaaaaan" by default anyway.>Japan is becoming hitlorz!!!!Yeah he is going senile
>>287675618It’s kind of funny how depraved you children are
>>287675665I UGHHHH I literally just ughhhhhhh just CAN'T with these ZOOMEHS. They dont got no mediah literacies
>>287675618straight up no cap bro
>>287675473Those guys don't have souls.
>>287673960Tomino is old fashioned and conservative. He got Yoko Kanno, the art designer from SF2 by having boomer charisma. The his own daughter had to teach him hygiene was better. People tend to forget how much /m/ was fat
>>287654428It's woke slop
>>287676216>Tomino is old fashioned and conservative.Maybe 40 years ago. lmao
>>287675618>senilealways has been
>>287656330This
>>287658185/thread
>>287672891>>287673960>two retarded faggot moronsHere's what Tomino actually thinks about DEI and " diversity "Interview in 2023https://www.walkerplus.com/article/1160406/>"Book-smart people use the word 'diversity' in whatever sense they want. I doubt if those people are as diverse as they say.>Many people pretend to be deep thinkers by word-dropping, but that doesn't necessarily prove their wisdom."
>>287654428Never look up who owns Anaheim Electronics
>>287677277>you have to prove your wisdom by walking the walk and shoving as much of this shit in your anime as possibleWow, what a faggot.
>>287677277Tomino didn't answer the question but gave out a convoluted response to gaslight the interviewer. Yep he is a retarded dementia ridden old fart.
>>287677385Things that never happened>>287677438The interviewer asked him about diversity being trendy and Tomino responded by saying it's a fake word.
I appreciate containment threads like this
>>287677385that was not his idea of 'diversity' that he elaborated upon you utter loon
Since this thread wasn't posted in /m/, all of the most retarded /m/oron faggots from there decided to come into this thread. Not to mention the thread itself was made by a ragebaiter
>>287677277DEIfag btfo
>>287677540misread the post so deleted
>>287677277>They only give diversity lip service, I'm the real deal
>>287677608>the most moronic interpretation
>>287677575Embarrassing
>>287677639>anon hasn't seen Turn ALurk for ten more years
>>287677479>Things that never happenedThat actually is literally what Tomino did.His anime from the 90s on are loaded with non-whites
>>287658696>>287671980>>287671999>>287672152Tomino is my Schizo-king
>>287678700>His anime from the 90s on are loaded with non-whitesDon’t forget racemixing, and then Turn A had the audacity to add faggots and troons too.
>>287678700>>287679622go back to twitter
>>287679783Maybe you should watch the anime you're jerking off right now dumbass.
>>287679622There's not a single troon in Turn A and the faggot in it is literally a villain pedophile lol. Why do faggot twittertards think they're welcome on /a/?
>>287679848Tomato tomatoh
>>287678700The thing is that nobody seriously believes the actual leftist projection that the existence of nonwhites in a show means its woke besides actual retards. It's contextual and dependent on whether there's things like raceswaps or actual forced diversity which simply isn't applicable to Tomino and Gundam >>287679848He won't seriously respond to this because he's a normalfag tourist from xitter and I doubt he's even watched Turn A like most larpers He won't
>>287679947So you're a normalfag that probably consumed Turn A through leftist memes on Twitter. Go back
>>287680002It looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, and it looks like you are coping too
>>287680068You're just spiraling now since you clearly didn't watch Turn A and have been larping this entire shit thread lol. Genuinely fuck off and kill yourself
>>287679984Like the context of if it is the main character
>>287680093I accept your concession
>>287679984>actual forced diversity So, Gundam? Considering most other anime have their characters be all White or Japanese/Asian, one thing’s for sure no other anime besides equally woke Watanabe slop has their cast of characters feature nig-nogs and brownoids.
>>287680123Where's the confession? The " faggot " you've been basing your entire theory on spamming this thread is quite literally>a villain >a pedophileYou clearly haven't actually watched Turn A anon.
>>287679984>nobody seriously believes the actual leftist projection that the existence of nonwhites in a show means its woke besides actual retards. It's contextual and dependent on whether there's things like raceswaps or actual forced diversityGotta love how right wingers go into these schizo spirals because they can’t deal with popular media of the past being just as woke as all the new popular stuff they’ve been trained by Epstein to hate on reflex
>>287680174Like I said, nobody believes this projection besides leftists and bottom of the barrel retards on xitter which is clearly the remaining people left in this thread are from
>>287680174Or worse, a C*nadian protagonist
>>287680222Wow a leftypost twitter leftist comes into join the fray!
>>287680222I actually don't care if people call Turn A woke or whatever because Tomino has self-admitted that before he made Turn A be was a misogynist and a massive racist that didn't want his daughter to racemix with a white man. It's just funny how many larpers are in this thread
>>287680183>villainWar is more complicated than black and white good and bad, you didn't understand Tomino's message.
>>287680222>Epstein out of nowhere Nah he’s a product of you lefties who groom your kids through “Drag Queen Storytime.”
>>287680341Then why did he hate niggers
>>287680328No, Guin the faggot character in Turn A is quite literally a villain that betrays the main characters for his own power. The first gay character in Gundam is a treacherous villain pedophile lol
>>287674424Their breasts are not weighed down by gravity
>>287680364>The first gay character in Gundam is a treacherous villain pedophile lolBut enough about Char
>>287680364>Opposing the protagonist makes you the mustache twirling bad guyYou didn't understand Tomino's message.
>>287680312>a massive racist that didn't want his daughter to racemix with a white man.The lefty woke apparatus is that it’s okay to be racist to whites and only whites and even try to commit genocide against them, hence why all of Tomino’s race mixing pairings features a white person in some capacity.
>>287680388Nice burn
>>287680396Not really, he's characterized as being a bad guy for his actions in the show anon lol
>>287673778I'd smash right without a second thought but you're all homosexual so you can't really relate.
>>287680422It's more complicated than "bad guys", you wouldn't get it.
>>287673129It's too bad the Chinese hate short-haired characters with a burning passion.
>>287680312Yeah it's actually funny that this thread has the two types of twittertard larpers lol>>287680222>>287680399This was a post-Turn A 2001 interview lol. If people want to say Tomino after Turn A evolved into having some woke beliefs or whatever, I couldn't care less. It's just funny that there's two idiots, one who thinks that Tomino was pro-racemixing (when he was actually anti) and another that thinks he and his shows were woke(when he said he was a racist for most of his time)>>287680364Turn A is the Gundam show with the most leftist fans which is why there's so many shitposting around it but they're particularly moronic about it as well. Turning Guin into an example of gay rights and progressivism has been especially retarded
>>287677277>Many people pretend to be deep thinkers by word-dropping, but that doesn't necessarily prove their wisdom."buzzword bros...
>>287680604Except there’s nothing more woke than acknowledging your biases and working to move past them
>>287680720I mean if you want to say that sure, but that also means the vast majority of the shows that Tomino was involved in and directed were when he was a racist lol. (And that shows up in the shows as well like Xabungle)
>>287680773Well yeah, no duhSquare one for being woke is accepting that you’ve been instilled with biases since birth and no matter how hard you try to eliminate them you will never achieve the state of actually being “not racist”That’s why leftists don’t do crazy purity spiraling over a series from 1979 and dismiss it as worthless because Char doesn’t say trans rights are human rights when he blasts Kycilia
>>287680845No, not really. That's only a saccharine belief that leftists like to tell themselves. Just not particularly convincing, especially in their approach to art. The reason leftists ignore or dismiss the elements of Tomino and his work that contradict or don't their ideology is because they want to claim him. 0079 is a foundational work for a reason
>>287680920Okay, I’ll definitely take the word of a neonazi pedophile trained by Epstein about what leftists actually believe lol
>>287680931Excellent gimmick post to end this " debate " on, you should go back to twitter now
If he was a real racist then Turn A would have a different MC.>don't believe your lying eyeslol, lmao even
>>287680958He literally said he stopped being racist during the production of Turn A lol
>>287680946I’m not the one posting twitter screencaps to try to own the libs on /a/ lol
>>287680931Wait aren't you the commieschizo guy?
>>287680993Your argument would necessarily have to have him make this change you are claiming before the MC was designed and they started production, no racist would ever make that their MC.
>>287681003No, I owned the larpers from Xitter just by posting an interview!
>>287677483Take it to the containment board, goddamn.
>>287681226This is the containment website.
>>287680993>>287681046The production of Turn A was his self-criticism and therapy given form in the same fashion Anno would use NGE as a vessel for his personal struggle. That’s what all the meta stuff is about as well relating to the Gundam franchise or the giant role swap thing being a classic sign of an artist hitting that point where they think about impostor syndrome.
>>287681253>therapy that makes you worsegrim
>>287654428That article's title is awful because it makes it look like tomino is belittling fans while from his words he just sounds like he's blaming himself for not managing to get the realities and horrors of war across
>>287681922>not managing to get the realities and horrors of war acrossIt doesn't help that most of the deaths on the hero's side were mostly heroic sacrifices. Should have one of the three kids have their head blown off by a stray round or something.
>>287658434Because war is objectively good, and that isn't an edgy or childish take. In fact, the opposite is edgy and childish. If not for war, your shithole civilization would have been eradicated already. War is a necessary part of the human existence, because there will always be aggressors. The relative peace we live in now is solely due to the atomic bomb and nothing else whatsoever.
Why do folks love war
>>287682234Selfishness allows them to justify the harm for their benefit
>>287675304>NOOOO MUH WAR IS HARSH AND BLOODY AND NO ONE ACTUALLY HAS A COOL ADVENTURE DOING IT WHY DON'T PEOPLE REALIZE THISNo shit, retard. That isn't the point. The fact that war is cruel or agonizing has literally nothing to do with whether it's good or bad.
>>287682234Low IQ, propaganda, corn syrup, living in a decaying empire (our infrastructure is decades old at this point) and several other factors.Funnily enough, it's always people that never served that are the most gung-ho about sending young boys off to die.
>>287682316>WAR IS LE BADis the most low IQ take imaginable. But it's not even your real opinion, so much as you're just another jeet seething at American Exceptionalism.
>>287682311>The fact that war is cruel or agonizing has literally nothing to do with whether it's good or badDon’t let Tomino see this, he’ll have to do another interview
>>287682348You believe whatever makes you feel better. It's your God-given right as an American. *shlurps corn syrup and opens BLACKED tab*
>>287682418>whatever makes you feel better>coping this hard
>>287654428Bait aside I hate this pattern in media where they make something featuring a theme as its main draw but at some point the creator says it's actually totally against the theme and the fans didn't get it.It's like I make a show called Cream Man where the title character wears a magical codpiece squirting huge ropes of sticky white cream all over the faces and bodies of women who get possessed by demons and turn into oppai sluts who wring all men to death until they're stopped, but after cashing in on billions from titty merch I say in my interview "heh the public totally didn't get it, this is a show about traditional family values"
>>287682819>Bait aside>only bait afterward
>>287682819Someone give this man control of an anime studio.
>>287673129>>287655779china is trying to beat and dethrone japan in soft power not court them, same with south korea to a lesser extent. it's slow and steady but they are frankly doing a good job at it. the japanese government is at least aware of this though (METI allocated nearly triple the budget beyond 2026 for game, anime, manga content export as a start)
>>287684218That’s nonsense though, China is Japan’s largest trading partner. It’s not like China is making some grand moves to render Japan destitute while sealing them away, they’re all rising together.
>>287682234it looks cool in fiction
>>287654428That's cool and all, but if you really wanted to be anti-war you would have ignored all the cool equipment and just had the whole thing be mother's sobbing and civilians being blown up with no robot battles ever actually seen directly. It's like with James Cameron and the military in Avatar. He made them too cool despite himself. Tomino, likewise, can't deny his man's heart. If we want a true anti-war epic, a woman is going to need to make it, and it's going to have to be extremely UNCOOL. Plenty of scenes of people dying of gangrene, starvation, and dysentry, and no mecha.
>>287654428The theme of the last Gundam series was we can stop all wars by spanking misbehaving girls.
>>287684562Roger Ebert talked about this—how it's almost impossible to make an anti-war film, because the action scenes will always make fighting seem fun.
>>287684740>>287684562it was something truffaut said to siskel in an interview that ebert later quoted repeated a lot without getting it imho>I find that violence is very ambiguous in movies. For example, some films claim to be antiwar, but I don’t think I’ve really seen an antiwar film. Every film about war ends up being pro-war.you would have to make something like fires on the plain or mizuki's autobiographically-inspired manga
>>287684458i mean none of that has anything to do with how china is working on competing (and beating) them in those industries. it's not black and white. it probably means less foreign chinese investment as china invest internally though like what's currently happening in the game industry since they are more or less equal footing with world class studios now. some years ago a bunch of japanese animation directors were already thinking china will eventually become the next epicenter for anime, and wouldn't be all that surprising.
>>287655109>>287654428Important to remember that Japan is, historically speaking, rarely ever just trying to defend themselves in conflictsJapan has the 'war is immoral' throughline because of the CRAZY number of war crimes they committed to other Asians
>>287680604>Tomino was anti racemixingExplain Char/Lalah, Loran/Dianna, and the protagonist of 0079 being a literal biracial man himself?
>>287684740it's not impossible, it just needs to avoid having action in it. Basically only show civilians and show them starving because of blockades. Never show any actual explosions because that's too exciting. Just have characters cowering in bunkers hearing the BOM BOM BOM noises, and then the next morning you hear that yet another person has died. You need to make it a drama where women commit suicide to avoid being raped, men come home with disfigured faces, drooling, and being chased down the street by kids as monsters etc.
>>287682627That’s you
>>287685018But it isn’t a competition, China is become a center for the production of these kinds of media because they provide the conditions that enable them to be made while Japan doesn’t. It’s not like China is “stealing” production from Japan; the decline in Japan’s prominence is entirely about their lack of investment both in direct economic terms and in terms of the foot dragging on worker’s rights and compensation.
>>287685485>e foot dragging on worker’s rights and compensation.I doubt China is any better in that regard.
>>287685582It depends on the perspective from which you define better; in a simple business sense Japan must be inferior since not only do they outsource but they still work their artists and performers to death regularly despite not being able to carry the industry’s output on their own.That’s why it’s not really much of a competition, China (and SK, etc) provide a service to Japan that they’re economically unwilling to provide for themselves. No one is being edged out of the market, none of these countries together have yet tapped the market cap for global demand on animation and merchandise. That’s why it’s silly to think Japan is under threat from China.
>>287655779anime (and more broadly manga) is an outgrowth of the US/Japan relationship in all its stupidity and excess.In a Japan/China alliance anime would literally cease to exist.
>>287656108the smugness comes from them thinking their portrayal mus bring about agreement with their message. You can show me war and say it's le bad but there are hordes of men that know that and would rather die in a gundam than live in this gay world
>>287685108>Char/Lalah>racemixingShe was only like a mother to Char
>>287685946WhatChina has been reverse-importing Japanese animators for a while now (because Japanese animators are literally cheaper). The recent pull of Chinese investors in the video game industry basically instantly killed multiple Japanese studios because they were fully funded by them. If you were part of the tech industry in asia it's hard to miss China's move to invest heavily internally and pull back of Japanese investments in games and ip licensing.
>>287686165>anime (and more broadly manga) is an outgrowth of the US/Japan relationship in all its stupidity and excess.>In a Japan/China alliance anime would literally cease to exist.Anime is nothing but Asian animation artstyle retard, it’s why even Chinese and Korean Gachas look anime.
