Dude is hated by the fanbase because a supposed 7 years gap beteeen him and shannon and because he is...Toxic? Probably the most meek herbivore creature in the whole series lol. But when it's battler is ok though.
Feminists are insane and think every man ever is evil and predatory and a subjugator of women.
why are you so obsessed with the opinions of others? have you tried living your own life?
>>287671625are you arguing with twitter or something, what the fuck is this
>>287671724Im afraid that's 90% of the fanbase
>>287671625I hate him because he's ugly.I like him because he's a hebechad
>>287671625Think about how old they were when George first started making moves on her. Also, don’t forget George hiding Battler’s letter from her.
>>287671955>don’t forget George hiding Battler’s letter fromOh I really did forget about this part
>>287671625He's fat
>>287671625>Dude is hated by the fanbase because a supposed 7 years gapPlease don't tell me that normalfags have discovered Umineko
>>287671625Dude is hated because he's fat
>>287672193>>287672338Why did they decide to off model him in the ps3 and steam sprites?
>>287672261There was a Tumblr blog hating on George in 2014. They hated on Battler a lot, too, always going on about how he wasn't empathetic enough to Beatrice in the first four episodes. Also some bullshit about how Battler forgiving Rudolf in 1986 meant that he wasn't seriously angry in 1980 and that it was always just a self-centered ego thing and that he never cared about his mom.
is 7 years really that large of a gap between two fully grown adults? my parents had a 7 year gap and I've been on the fence about dating someone (that asked me out first) with an 8 year gap
>>287672066It’s because there’s no proof there was ever a letter for Shannon
>>287673336Between adults, no age gap is too big. A 22 year old with a 50 year old is fine. Shannon and George started dating at something like 14/21 or 15/22 though. I don't care since it's fiction but generally that age gap would be bad (14/21 very bad, 16/23 not as much).
>>287673406It was the 80s and by the time she was 16 they had one date.
>>287673425Right. I don't find their relationship offensive. The 80s were a different time and I find the slightly taboo nature of the relationship interesting. Honestly the internet complains about age gap relationships in fiction so much that I'd rather them be present in stories just to spite them.
He literally cause everyone to die because he hid Battler's letter and lead to all the furniture stuff
>>287673580I think Yasu was a bigger cause and people seem to love him.
>>287671625They have no loveLiking George is a litmus test for how well a person understands Umineko>>287673580Is this even true?
>>287673620>himanon please
When did Rosa become evil? She was a nice little girl and is a BPDemon in her 30s.
>>287673406Shannon's true age was 3 years older than her "official" age though.
>>287673580No, Kinzo did and then Natsuhi for throwing a baby from a cliff(no amount of "magic" will make me think otherwise) and the workers of the mansion for being retards. Bizarre how Eva before the incident was the most "sane" of the Ushiromiyas.
>>287674025>When did Rosa become evil?When her husband cumed and then dumped
>>287673406>but generally that age gap would be bad (14/21 very bad, 16/23 not as much)Only in the anglosphereIn my euroschizo country that was the norm just a decade ago, and it was quite harmless and a non issueIt only started to become uncommon and "problematic" because of social media spreading and diffusing the american dominated ideas and "culture" that torpedoed the relationship scenes
>>287673620Nothing wrong with give your toxic family guns and explosive. How else would you show that you cared?>>287673723Don't try to open my catbox you Goat
>>287674123I was 21 a pretty long time ago (2008) and American culture probably hadn't rubbed off on me much since I'd been socially isolated for a long time, but I still saw 14 year olds as basically being kids. It's the last age that feels child-adjacent to me. Even in the 1950s my aunt's husband was viewed as being a little slimy for impregnating her when she was 14 and he was 22, though he was still given a pass since he took responsibility and married her. I don't really care about the topic much though; it's interesting that your area saw 14 as fine until just recently.
>>287673723You assume that understanding = agreeing, which is not always the case. Ryukishi's moralistic bullshit should never be taken too seriously.
What is the message of Umineko that apparently makes you a fake fan if you didn’t get it?
I want to fuck Ange
>>287674947Don't make promises to a mentally ill person if you have no intention of keeping it.
>>287671955>George hiding Battler’s letterHe ate it.
>>287671625He was the original villain until Ryuukishi decided to change that and put the blame entirely on Yasu.Source: that 6h long youtube umineko video that most didn't see.
/a/ - Retarded Tumblr Drama
>>287671625People hate George because he's a disgusting fatass
>>287674025Battler will fix her.
>>287675889Can she be fixed? Rosa is maybe the most unstable person in the series. She's not the killer, but she probably could kill Kinzo, her mom, and all her siblings and not regret it.
>>287675889I wish
Who's the more human and sympathetic character between Rosa and Kinzo?
He's supposed to an uggo self conscious fat ass but all adaptions miss that point.
Love Umineko
>>287671625He's the textbook definition of the modern incel tryhard: anitsocial, a white knight, a coddled boy, insecure about women, married (lol) to the concept of traditional gender, age, and class roles.Not even modern trad larping women want to deal with that shit.
Love Rosa
>>287676472He looks a bit fat in Ryuukishi's artwork but not ugly.
>>287674025She could never wash the stain of killing Beatrice out of her soul.
>>287671625This guy saw two 12 year olds flirting and got jealous
>>287671625George gets more and more predatory the more you think about him. He's contrasted to Battler who's extremely inappropriate on the surface but everyone loves because you realize what a great guy he really is when you get passed that
>>287674025>bullied by all three of her siblings>neglected by her parents>all the maids isolate her>finally makes a friend at school>Rudolf fucks her>finally make a friend with some stranger in the woods>she dies the same day>scared to death of what you did>nothing comes of it giving a lingering sense of axiety>Finally break off from the family>Finally get a boyfriend>Finally someone who cares about you for the first time in your life>scams you and then leaves you with a baby>tries to build something to make up from the fallout of this: a company and a family>the baby is autistic>the company is failingBrother, what went RIGHT in her life?
>>287678915I feel sympathy for him. He is like that because of her mother + the inferior complex for being the beta cousin. If I have to compare he is like Carlton, he did everything his parents told is the right thing, to trust the system so he will be rewarded. Maybe he never actually believed in the system, but he accepted it because he thought he didnt have any options.And then we have the fresh prince(Battler) and the first thing he tried to do when he saw Shannon after a long time was trying to grab her "boobs". Years of George crafting a relationship went down by pure chad energy that destroyed the Ushiromiyas forever.
>>287680791>finally makes a friend at school>Rudolf fucks herI believe it, but I don’t remember this.
>>287678915>incel tryhardThat's an oxymoron. He admits as much that he used to be an incel who blamed others for his own failings but he eventually got over himself and improved. The dislike for George is just a symptom of modern societal attitudes that determine that people like George can't ever reform or change for the better.
>>287680959I think the word incel lost its meaning long ago. Pathetic people who blame others exist even inside relationships. Only if you are talking about failing at geting sex.
>>287680898I am absurdly good at remembering the small details that only get said once in Umineko.
>>287681074>Only if you are talking about failing at geting sex.That's exactly what I was talking about, he was a classic "nice guy" who fumed at Chad i.e. Battler for "stealing" all the girls that should have been his. But you can't really call him an incel after he started dating Shannon, as he no longer had either the mindset nor the circumstances to qualify him as one.
Is Rosa a tomboy?
>>287681074Apparently the only unsuccessful people are those who blame others for their own failuresUnlucky people don't exist! Everything is earned through hard work! Including being 6'3 and having rich parents!
>>287671625I mean he wanted to fuck an 11 year old as an 18 year old dude.
>>287671625Fear. Jealousy. Insecurity
>>287675089He would, the fact bitch.
>>287671625george gives women the ick, therefore he's problematic
>>287673406>>287673425>>287674048>>287674123George was planning moves on Shannon when she was like 11-12 and he was an adult. That's different from him dating her when she's 15 years old.
>>287676000that aint her fault
>>287671625hes a loser ass nigga>But when it's battler is okbecause battler is cool as fuckget mogged incel
>>287680862>umineko is just the fresh prince for japskek
>>287676000Rosa can be fixed. She just needed persistent love and stability. Someone to just validate her and be around and say "I love you the most Rosa." Literally, that's it.
>>287680862>Carlton>fresh prince(Battler)Holy hell, that's perfect
>>287671625HE'S FAT!
>>287671625FATFATFAT
The real reason is because most fans side/self-insert with Battler and George is the biggest obstacle for his romance if you subscribe to the idea Shannon is just pretending to be Beatrice(and Kanon) rather than having a mental illness. You'll notice that Kinzo and Rudolf don't get hated as much despite having done worse things to women than George.
>>287671625>Probably the most meek herbivore creature in the whole series lol.But that’s literally the whole reason. He’s not particularly attractive, nor particularly interesting, nor does he stand out in any way. There are tons of horrible characters who are “forgiven” or have legions of fans because their charisma overshadows their misdeeds, but in George’s case, his “I used to be an incel” seems to be the most memorable thing about him
>>287685735Well, that's makes sense >>287685837I must admit ryukishi knows how to dive into the human psyche and realism when he wants.Too bad he probably also has mental problems and schizo the shit out in his work
>>287686647>ryukishi knows how to dive into the human psycheDepends. He can write a masterpiece like Rena but then drop some 2/10 armchair social commentary like Ciconia.
>>287686756Or the obnoxious machismo of Rose Guns Days.
>>287686770I haven't read that one, care to qrd me?
>>287686756I think his problem as a writter is when he tries to shove his morals down our throats. You can tell when he just possesses an character to he-man talk to the reader to make sure you are wasting your time reading fiction while real "social problems" are happening, breaking the immersion. At least we dont have that in Higurashi
>>287686855Some of the worst parts of Higurashi are near the end of Watanagashi and the beginning of Matsuribayashi where it's really shitty political commentary pretending to be neutral. Ciconia has like 10 hours of that, fucking brutal.
>>287687027What political commentary was in Watanagashi?
>>287687306I was thinking of Shion's whole made up speech to Keiichi and Rena about Japanese history, discriminating against people from small villages, war crimes, and maybe some other stuff, it's been a while since I read it. It's really weird and out of place but I guess it's "supposed" to be like that since it's all made up bullshit.
I'm currently (as within the last five minutes) thinking to myself that George's retributions - in the sense of flaws, not avarice - have more to do with Rosa and her "machinations" than the sophistry or never-ending devices of Eva and to a lesser degree Krauss.
>>287671625SHE WAS 7 YEARS OF AGE GAP YOU SICK FUCK
>>287687993Can you elaborate? I'm not sure I understand
>>287688026Kek
>>287682835I'm pretty sure R07 just messed up the ages because the story never calls attention to that. He's written like he was in their age group, just a bit older, just like in the present.Even, in the manga when they show flashbacks he's clearly drawn as a kid when the others are kids, even though he should look much older at that point.
>>287671625If you re-read episode 2 carefully you'll realize just how manipulative and fake he was the entire time.For example, in the flashback where he and Shannon are on the beach and Shannon is talking about how blue and beautiful the ocean is, George's internal monologue only sees it as bleak and grey but still tells Shannon he also sees it as blue.This is very obviously indicating that George will pretend that magic is real to satisfy Shannon without actually taking her seriously, which is a kind of slimy thing to do.
>>287671625He would never kill an adult but would kill a child
Okay but why did Natsuhi tell Nanjo, Gohda and Maria to exit the safe room where she holed up with Jessica, Battler and George in EP1?>she knew one culprit was among the-Okay but maybe you can keep the 9 year old little girl in the room? The other two might overpower you but Maria can't do shit
>>287688147Battler hits on an eight year old, so I don't think Ryukishi's particularly concerned with age gaps. That does bring up another reason why people shit on George so much, though- he's never called out in the narrative for being a groomer so fans pick up the slack, perhaps so they can offload their concerns about Ryukishi being potentially problematic onto a fictional character.
>>287688181I don't think pretending to agree with someone is automatically slimy but it can be if it's prolonged, about a topic important to the person, and you privately scoff at them the whole time. But I guess that's not too different from me nodding and going "yeah" when conspiracy theorist friends ramble at me about conspiracy theories.
>>287688309Battler was just joking there, George was very much making MOVES and seething on prepubescent kids as a university dude. It's not insignificant.
>>287688181Lol what? Dude he is just trying to get points with her, showing interest. Have you never been in a date before? Pretty sure your dad went along your mom's bullshit so he could win her.
>>287688341I interpreted George's jealousy as being in the abstract, and that his romantic feelings for Shannon only blossomed afterwards. Like how typical incel/femcel anime characters despise so-called riajuus. Which while extremely pathetic, doesn't make George out to be a pedophile lusting after a twelve year old.
>>287688309Real R07 don't call out things like that, we watch Higurashi Kira ten times a year and beat our meat to it
>>287688399That could be true and while I don't take "anime pedophilia" so seriously (this is fictional so these subjects aren't treated as they would in real life) it still really makes him incredibly pathetic and a bit of a predator, because even in anime an 18 years old should be a lot more mature than an 11 years old.
George is only treated as an incel because it's the most interesting aspect of his character. He's fucking boring. The PS3 sprites don't even let him be a fat ass.
If they hate him for being a fatass how did Hideyoshi get away with it?
>>287688709Uncles are always fat
>>287688720I'm an uncle and I'm not fat... yet.
>>287671625It's entirely because he looks like a fat incel. Every character barring maybe Jessica Maria and Gohda do wayyyyy worse shit.>>287688709By doing virtually nothing for the entire story
>>287688355>>287688320There's a difference between nodding along to something inconsequential and deliberately lying about your feelings when it comes to something that clearly matters quite a lot to them.
>>287671682why are you so obsessed with the opinions of OP? have you tried living your own life?
Understanding how you feel about George is a little like solving a mystery. It's up to you, dear reader, to come up with the why.
