Why does it happen???
Because women are very insecure and they need to feel "represented" or "self-inserted". Men just want to see people fucking.
>>287685438>Men want their porn to be about other men fucking womenVery interesting observation.
>>287685392This is an artifact. The top right is really gays drawn by openly gay men. A huge portion of quasi-gay/bi guys only likes traps and boys but don't go around calling themselves gay. I'm pretty sure all those doujins are drawn by men who are 4-chan gay rather than San Francisco gay.
>>287685460Most men watch hentai and don't even care about the plot. They don't need self-inserting like women do.
>>287685392it's strange that no women ever draw the bara style shit it's a purely gay thing even if women like jacked big brown men IRL>>287685438fucking kek that stonetoss
>>287685585>no women ever draw the bara styleI've definitely seen some women do it or be into it.
>>287685585Most BL/yaoi are for lesbian and trannies, not straight women. They say they like BL because they like to selfinsert in a couple with the absense of power dynamics of a straight couple.
>>287685784This. Yaoi is a fetish, they imagine themselves as guys. They don't give a shit to gays.
>>287685438So this is why they love bishounen so much. It's not because of physical attraction, it's because they can selfinsert in the character. It's all queer/tranny phantasy in the end.
>>287685438>black men watch dragon ball>Enter Goku KameKameHa!>HOLY KINO! I WANNA BE LIKE HIM! I'M LIKE HIM! I AM HIM!>Fast foward today>Hood weebs are a problemWhatever women need to like anime, is clearly better than men sticking their persona on any piece of media.
>>287686079>Men watch a cute girls doing cute things anime>Put one of those girls in ther profile picture on normalfags sites>Start grifting westoid shitNot so different than wahmen but multiplied by 1000
>>287685460>>Men want their porn to be about other men fucking womenLiterally how else would you watch porn.
>>287685392We agree more over lesbians.No shock there.
>>287685438Women are secure about their race while men larp as white
>>287686650Don't overthink stonetoss.
>>287686672Stonetoss?
>>287685438men are degenerate faggots who want everything to be visually exaggerated, huge boobs, huge cocks, huge ass, like beasts they adore extremeties
>>287685438How nice both get what they like.
>>287686362Cybernetic tentacles.
>>287687114Strong projection.
>>287685438My fucking sides.
men who are into yuri all have some kind of mental illness. there are plenty of normal guys who are interested in lesbian sex, but they don't identify with /u/shit so work targeting them goes unnoticed, or yuritards will say it doesn't count because the girls are actually bisexual.
>>287685392Because the love for cute girls is universal
>>287685392Women are very homophobic. They find the idea of manly-looking men being gay very disgusting. They should look affeminate
>>287688648That's based though. Nobody likes disgusting orcish barashit.
>>287688684I do.
>>287685392>LESBIANS DRAWN BY LESBIAN WOMENPretty sure that's not how most yuri written for dykes look like. They're more tumblrish and most guys don't consume it.
>>287687272I wish he wasn't right, but we're in a minority. Most men do like huge everything, most men love porn bimbos clarted with tattoos. If they didn't it wouldn't be like that, but it is.
>>287685392Sailor Neptune was created by a straight woman.
>>287689269Even the asian ones?
>>287688684Literally 99% of turbo gays (not bisexual gays) love manly muscular hairy men. Unless he is a pedo.
>>287689269>meanwhile in reality yuri drawn by womenTourists are always amazingly confidently wrong about everything.Even josei yuri looks nothing like tumblr, though I doubt you are old enough to even know what that means besides a random buzzword.
Gender war now, show me your war face!!!
>>287685392The really funny part is realising the bottom was drawn by a straight woman and there are tons of lesbians who draw the top left too.Its not really that shocking if you consider what characteristics each group obviously looks for.Women attracted to masculine features, will draw straight stuff. And cultural standards of female beauty are more uniform than for male beauty.
>>287685438ah so that's why virtually every goddamn self insert isekai slop starts with a japanese guy
>>287685585that's literally Sailor Moon, though?
>>287685392Women like yaoi largely because it allows them to "safely" think about getting fucked (scarier than fucking), and two guys are involved which makes it hotter. This is most obvious with Omegaverse stuff, in which the "secondary sexes" are just normal human sexes but both guys.>>287691789>the bottom was drawn by a straight womanI dunno about that, anon. I mean it, I really have no idea.
>>287685438>Because women are very insecure and they need to feel "represented" or "self-inserted".Self insertion is manly a man thing. Hence 90% of the season being isekai shit and peopel crying about ntr
>>287691789>there are tons of lesbians who draw the top left tooSo lesbians are really jealous of men? Shocking!
>>287691896Wrong
>>287685392I honestly find this hilarious. Lesbians and Otaku women are so misandric there aren't lesbian porn or lesbian manga of manly women because it would be too oppressive.
>>287685392>>287685438No Lesbian is going to draw Murcielago. Anyone pretending there isn't an obvious difference is delusional.
>>287692082They don't like themselves and blame men for everything.
>>287692082They call shonen and bara generic and there is nothing more generic than Yaoi characters. Every yaoi character look like pic related.
>>287692082Butch lesbians are definitely around. This is just a difference in masculinity standards. Bara is not particularly popular even among gay men.
The more women talk about yaoi, the more I am convinced yaoi/bl is only a fetish to lesbian and bi women to larp as effeminate gay men and not feel "opressed" in a relationship or feel free to be as degenerated as possible without being judged. It's not because they feel attracted to gay men.
>>287692191There is a tiny minority of women who really masturbate to gay men in secret. Golden Kamuy fandom for example. But they are a very tiny minority of fujoshis, the vast majority are lesbians/bi.
>>287691789Takeuchi is bisexual at least, and Togashi and her might be each other's beards. What straight guy is going to let his wife publish a comic where she makes fun of his dick size?
>>287687114
>>287692191Yaoi got super popular because women weren't allowed to draw toxic or dark straight romances and dramas for other women between the 70s and the 90s. Editors at Shojo magazines just wouldn't accept it with rare exceptions.
>>287692226So there are turbo straight women too??? I mean women fapping to muscular hairy men fucking? I only fap to very feminine women fucking, I don't like to see men but me in straight porn. I think this is female version of turbo straight porn.
>>287692183>Bara is not particularly popular even among gay men.That's not true from my observations. It's not to say every single homogay jacks to it with no exception, but it's perfectly popular in that demographic. There's a reason why every single gachaslop specifically and explicitly targetting gays is chock-full of manly macho dudes in one form or another, whether leaner younger and "relatively" leaner jockish guys or girthy beary fucks.
I'm gay and I far prefer pretty dudes fucking each other.As long as they don't look or act like full on women.
>>287692525Twunks are very common in bara. What is the big deal?
>>287692525>or act like full on women.That disqualifies most BL in my experience, your average fujo bitch couldn't write a guy whose behavior doesn't blatantly signal "written by a woman" if her life depended on it.It's genuinely obnoxious.
>>287692082Watch/read Sailor Moon and Oniisama e. Both contain butch lesbians and were written by women.
>>287685392>LesbiansAbout that...
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>>287686642It's literally the opposite though. Lesbian couples break up and divorce at a much more frequent rate than any other demographic. Gay couples stay together on paper but they also openly cheat on each other.Only straight couples actually stay together and faithful, because only heterosexual attraction is actually real.
>>287685392Yaoi is not for straight women. It's a meme. Women with hobbies in general = lesbians or somewhat lesbians. It was always like that.
>>287692764I find butch women extremely sexually attractive and it honestly pains me that most of them are lesbian. I wish straight ones were more common.
>>287692888That's like saying all men with hobbies are trannies. Degenerates are just loud
>>287692888You are retarded lol. BL is literally just a fetish for straight women. They get to see good looking guys getting it on with each other.
>>287692951"Lesbians" love bl too btw. Because they're not actually unattracted to men, they're just scared of the 3D ones because of usually a bad past experience and/or the media told them to be. They love 2D men
>>287692943I ran into one at a party once and it was basically the only woman I could talk even level with about hobby shit but then they had to turn out to be lesbian
>open thread>0 (zero) hot girl x girl action posted>it's all "but irl" faggotryNIGGERS
>>287686001In the case of shounen heroes it's moreso that the characters are aspirational. In a world where perfect people don't really exist, mythological legends like Arthur or shounen heroes like Kenshiro are very feelgood.
>>287692949But it perfectly normal men wtih hobbies. 99% of scientists are men. But women with hobbies are always lesbian. Women in sports, women in IT, female artists... All lesbians.
>>287692951Fetish doesn't mean they are attracted to men. Average yaoi couples look like lesbian couples.
>>287692975Alot of lesbians are just misandrists ultimately, while straight women are just into guys. If you present them a good enough girl, like Hermione, they will ship her with other guys. Otherwise they'll just ship the guys.
>>287693022???
>>287693043Are you blind? The average BL couple is very obviously male. They're bishounen because women want to look at good looking dudes.
>>287693073This is actual average yaoi couple. They look like lesbian couples.
>>287685438>comicI'm pretty sure little black girls also like and always have liked white girl characters just fine as long as other adults don't put it in their head that there's something wrong about it. It's the media talking heads and dumbfuck celebrities that keep pushing the "black girls need to feel represented" shit. Maybe that was the point of the comic at least partially, though.
>>287686642lollmao
>>287693073Pic unrelated? Could be easily a lesbian girl
>>287685392Doesn't the lack of actual examples for the bottom row undermine the argument?I get the impression the author is just bullshitting and a genuine analysis of female/male yuri mangaka would point to something subtly different.
>>287685392>>287685585>>287685756women LOVE golden kamuy, which leans more toward the bara style but is in every other aspect a seinen manga>I grew up watching nothing but movies starring muscle-bound actors like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, and John Travolta. I spent my childhood with a poster of *Rambo III: The Afghan War* stuck to the ceiling above my bed, and I came to believe that this was how a man should be.>Back then, the manga world was also swept up in this cult of muscle, filled with works featuring burly, sweaty-looking men. But as the times changed, I lived with a sense of dissonance—like a muscle strain—as the ideal protagonist shifted toward a clean, androgynous image.>Thank you for this prestigious award. I am deeply moved to think that this is solely the result of my unwavering commitment to depicting the beautiful male form without compromise—that the heat emanating from those muscles after intense training must have resonated with the judges.mangaka is married to a woman btw>https://www.asahi.com/special/tezukaosamu-culturalprize/2018/
>>287693104Female yuri tends to have more "manly" or "prince like" or just "cool" girls, sailor mooon is a perfect example, her gf is just that.Male yuri is just cute girls being either cute or fucking insane, but cute above everything.
>>287693118>mangaka is married to a woman btwI'm pretty sure he's bisexual, I distinctly remember him saying some short BL manga was hot, had hot guys or something among these lines.
>>287692995It must be some sort of cosmic joke that dykes are basically the ideal woman by most straight male standards, yet they’re not attracted to men. It’s no wonder that “fucking a lesbian straight” is such a common fantasy for men or that some men turn tranny because they genuinely wish they were a lesbian.
>>287693135>yuri>sailor moonnigger be serious
>>287693155He's referring to Neptune and Uranus in that.
>>287693084>>287693099I think you're just coping at this point, maybe you're sexually frustrated because you found out you're into twinks or something.
The Sailor Moon cosmology is geocentric. They all orbit around the earth.
>>287693188Two lesbians in a shoujo does not yuri make.
>>287686362solo female would do it
>>287685438>>287693087We need some interracial yuri to truly tie this topic together.
>>287686362Unless the dude only jerks it to POV porn. Most are trash.
>>287693022The fuck kind of logic is that?
>>287693629It's not even a logic issue here, he's outright making shit up.
>>287691740Your average male yurifan was complaining that women oriented yuri was too manish https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/286352671/#286352671It may not look like that but by japanese standard it's not as feminine as conventional yuri. Same thing happens when you move to western erotica where there's a divergence between content created by guys and gals.
>>287685392Women should not be allowed to write gay couples. For fucking sake. Bottoms don't date bottoms.It's always effeminate twink + bear/daddy or effeminate twink + twunk, NEVER effeminate twink + effeminate twink.
>>287692191Maybe there's some truth to it
>>287685392Because both feminine and masculine men have very broad appeal. Masculine women have zero appeal to anyone, including so called "lesbians."
>>287693842Tomboys are arguably the most common male fantasy
>>287693858Tomboys aren't masculine, they're regular girls LARPing as boys.
>>287692582I have tolerance, up to a certain point, called>man doesn't want to have sec>man doesn't enjoy sexWhat the fuck?
Yaoi of two brute men and yuri of two brute women when????
>>28769189697% of female LoL players play as female characters; for men it's 50:50.*93% of women playing WoW play as female characters: 66% of men pick male characters.**If self inserting was mainly a man thing, I would expect them to have a way higher preference for their own gender than women do.Especially in WoW, where gender is just cosmetic (in LoL char choice may depend on what the meta picks are).Sauce:* = Reav3 (Lead Gameplay Producer) on Leddit in 2023* = Who Are You When Playing World of Warcraft? An Analysis of Player Demographics and Social Behavior - SAS Global Forum 2020
>>287692764>>287692943>>287692183Its crazy that there's no 'butch' tag on Dynasty for this stuff. There's 'tomboy' but that isn't the same thing at all.
>>287693736Boku no Pico is the greatest piece of fiction you uncultured swine
>>287694161
>>287694295>no 'butch' tag on Dynasty for this stuffassuming you meant danbooru, the tag is reverse_traphave fun
>>287685438How come I saw black people that defend Assassin Creed Shadows then
>>287695025*men
>>287687114i will never have sex with u
>>287694843Thank you for the tip. But I was talking about Dynasty Scans, the site that most lesbian manga get uploaded to at some point.
>>287693099Have you never heard of a "pretty boy"?
>>287685438\thread
Japs see women being into muscular men as something so bizarre and out there that they literally say they have a "muscle fetish".
>>287696026But this is normal straight women. I refuse to believe otaku women are average women. I think most are lesbian/part lesbian. When I was young I remember girls drolling over Tom Welling and Chris Evans
>>287691896Isekai is escapism you ape subhuman, no something about "self-insertion"
>>287685392>>287685784>>287696159This is a meme. There are plenty of yaoi from South Korea that look like this. No fucking way a lesbian artist would draw pic related.
>>287696441>from South KoreaRetard
>>287692888Maybe in Japan yaoi is for lesbians. Definitely not in South Korea.
>>287696519You mean China? Japan has Golden Kamuy. Lesbians would never watch Golden Kamuy.
>>287696519It's China.
>>287685392Fantasy vs reality.Fantasy vs Fantasy.
>>287685438>StonetossPlease dont share content made by nazis on a blue board.
>>287692755You can think someone is handsome without being sexually attracted to them.
>>287692838>Only straight couples actually stay together and faithful, because only heterosexual attraction is actually real.The normie-het divorce rate is 50% fucking percent. And while dedicated lesbian relationships tend to be more unreliable than that Lesbianism in media gets a better image and is more welcome because gayness in girls is not as big a deal as gayness in guys. Think of it like this. If you do one gay thing as a guy then the guys will think of you as gay, at least a little. A girl can do almost anything with another girl, but if she does anything straight with a guy, she's still strait. It's the exact opposite of guys. You have to be completely gay to be a lesbian. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a renouncing ritual for non-gold stars who get into a committed lesbian relationship. But you know the gay thing is cool in fandoms, because fandoms regularly pair gay girls who mostly can't stand each other. Pic related.
>>287692838>Only straight couples actually stay together and faithfulStraight couples have 50% divorce rate and most of the ones that stay together either cheat or are miserable.Honestly having affairs while keeping the marriage for the sake of the family seems like the best option for straight couples (not gays since they're not a real family).
>>287696618>beauty = fantasy>ugly = reality
>>287693099Pretty boys exist dude. Michelangelo's David. Sound like a seething unc.
>>287698659>The normie-het divorce rate is 50% fucking percentWhich by the standards of the modern world is sky high.>Lesbianism in media gets a better image and is more welcome because…most media consumers are men and lesbianism is a male fetish.>But you know the gay thing is cool in fandoms, because…it’s a fetish.
>>287699281>Straight couples have 50% divorce rate and most of the ones that stay together either cheat or are miserableWhich is, again, sky high statistics by the standards of the modern world. Modern dating itself is retarded and dysfunctional but it’s still not as bad for normal people as it is for paraphiles.
>>287698245They didn’t say handsome. They said attractive.
>>287686650> men larp as whiteI don't believe you, but am also O.K. with this
>>287688684Wrong.
>>287686650I see more men larp as women than I see nonwhites larp as white.
>>287692838Don't look up which of the three makes up the vast majority of intimate partner homicide.
>>287692838This one particularly triggered /u/fags
>>287692525I heard a lot of gays and bi dudes refuse to read yaoi for this exact reason.
>>287685585> it's strange that no women ever draw the bara styleFew, but not none. I’ve seen what >>287693118 is talking about, and some female Pixiv/Twitter artists who draw their self inserts with hairy baras, furries, and so on. I know the woman who made FMA also has a thing for wide, muscular, hairy guys, because of her farmer genes.
>>287699847Per capita? Probably the fags
>>287699505>lesbianism is a male fetishhttps://mangacodex.com/2024%20Japanese%20New%20Volumes%20Releases%20Analysis.pdf>The Guy She Was Interested in Wasn’t a Guy at All 2 (83.401)>Tsukuritai Onna to Tabetai Onna 5 (33.418)The two best selling yuri works right now are both published for girls>>287699605The same thing applies? Saying someone is attractive doesn't mean you are personally attracted to them Just like how one can say a guy friend might be attractive to girls
>>287700256>Saying someone is attractive doesn't mean you are personally attracted to them…yes it does. If you call your bros attractive you’re a faggot anon
>>287700307If a guy is handsome which isn't gay to say he is obviously attractive to women. So saying he is attractive is accurate and non-gay
>>287700389Saying he’s attractive without specifying you mean to someone else and not you is 100% gay. Doing so with someone else while eyeing people in a theater specifically to search for that bro is 200% gay. Try it and see how people react lol
>>287700492Then calling a guy handsome is gay unless you specify it about someone else which isn't the case.Also pointless because it's a translation and not even the girl in the op saying it.
>>287685585If you want see jacked dudes asian fujosphere is not the right choice you have go for western ones.
>>287700608Handsome is an impersonal qualifier that doesn’t necessarily require a specific observer, it just means in line with what most women are attracted to. Attractive means attractive to someone, and if you call someone attractive with no further context you clearly mean the person is attractive to you.And yes it’s Haruka saying it but Michiru doesn’t disagree
>>287701032Handsome is just as much as a subjective claim as attractive.>if someone else says something and you don't publicly disagree that means you agreeAutism
>>287701188>Handsome is just as much as a subjective claim as attractiveNot at all, handsome is sex specific and isn’t relative to one person in particular. Attractive means attractive to someone. The term you’re looking for is conventionally attractive which is something else entirely >>if someone else says something and you don't publicly disagree that means you agreeThere was no public, only the two of them, and her continuing on Haruka’s train of thoughts by saying it’s nice to be young is clearly implicitly agreeing. Talk about autism when you’re unable to understand a conversation between two characters lol
>>287701409https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/attractive>having a pleasing and usually impressive or dignified appearanceHandsome is NOT sex-specific. A woman can be handsome just like a man can beautiful even if one is more commonly used.And being handsome is based on what others think is handsome>it’s nice to be young is clearly implicitly agreeingShe's talking about the situation not his appearance at all.
>>287696026
>>287701657Nobody cares about text definitions In practice you don’t say someone is attractive if you don’t find them attractive lol>A woman can be handsomeYeah by being a reverse trapThe female equivalent of handsome is pretty>And being handsome is based on what others think is handsomeUnlike attractive which is based on what the commenter specifically finds attractive >She's talking about the situation not his appearanceDo you think she completely ignored Haruka’s statement and randomly started talking about something else? We know they were looking for Mamoru specifically because Haruka said she found him and they started looking at him. So clearly Haruka called her attractive and then Michiru attributed his attractiveness to youth, which implies that she agreed with Haruka on him being attractive.
>>287693690That's not women-oriented yuri. That's a hyper-specific sub-genre which people found to manly. Accordingly, most shoujo/josei yuri do not look like that at all. See:>https://hanayume.com/genre/1786/popular/1
>>287701934*Haruka called him attractive
>>287699505What a plan. Just say fetish enough times and you won't have to structure a thought.Fetish is very specific. We don't even use the word correctly when you compare the colloquial and clinical terms.Like...OK, a show about licking spit off of the top of a desk. That's a show that you can say has a fetish.Lesbianism is too vanilla to be a fetish. It's just part of the sexual scenery of the world. Oh, and I will never forgive this manga for as long as I live.
>>287702044>Lesbianism is too vanilla to be a fetishIt’s not even close to being vanilla. Paraphilic content is fetishistic by definition, lesbianism is a voyeurist fetish for men. That’s like saying furry shit isn’t a fetish lol
>>287702203OK. No. You've got a complex and political motivation. No sense in arguing.
>>287701934>the dictionary is wrong if I don't agree with itWhat a joke argumentUranus is called handsome even wearing girl clothes in the show itself so your arguments falls apart!>based on what the commenter specifically finds attractive https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/attractive>having or relating to the power to attractDoesn't mention anything about being personally attracted to them>attributed his attractiveness to youthRetard alert. They're roughly the same age. She's talking about the situation Usagi is in which is common for young people.
>>287702331Ironic Nobody was denying the fetishistic nature of yuri and yaoi until the mid 2010s
>>287685585Suekane Kumiko draws bara I think
>>287702376Yuri got called the purest form of love in the 70s, hence the lilies.
>>287702376Homuras’ gaydar might be picking up a creationist. Is planet earth more or less than 50 million years old?
>>287685392I can't take seriously or get invested in faggot romances. I just don't care (beyond porn when it comes to lesbians)
>>287702344Actually yes, the dictionary is often wrong about how people actually talk in practice. Is it seriously the first time you’ve seen that?Especially since there is obviously a difference in context between "being attractive" (which implies to most people of the opposite sex, so conventionally attractive) and being called attractive by someone.>Uranus is called handsomeThe entire running gag about Uranus is that she’s a reverse trap, retard. Handsome is only said of girls who look like boys just like pretty is only said of boys who look like girls.>She's talking about the situation Usagi is inUnlikely since they were eyeing Mamoru not Usagi as proven by Haruka saying she found him. If anything you could spin it to claim she’s saying that to imply Usagi being young is how she managed to get someone like Mamoru?I agree it’s not as direct as what Haruka said but the context clearly tells me she doesn’t disagree with Haruka at least. The whole gimmick of the outer senshi in general is that they’re more mature, that’s why they speak in a more reserved manner compared to the others, and I’d say it’s probably the reason why the Mamoru simping is toned down compared to the inner senshi, rather than lesbianism especially since Haruka and Michiru clearly weren’t written as lesbians in the S anime. While they appear like a couple to outsiders (mostly because of Haruka looking like a guy), they constantly say they’re not serious about it and in fact don’t have time for romance at all.
>>287702462Yuri didn’t even exist in the 70s, and that meme was always said in a fetishistic context too. Obsessive purityfaggotry is a fetish.>>287702568Homura is straight, so it’s not surprising that her "gaydar" would be unreliable.Evolution and Darwinism disprove sexual orientation theory btw. If there truly was a "gay gene" it would have died out very quickly.
>>287702802>Yuri didn’t even exist in the 70s>https://en.namu.wiki/w/백합(장르)/역사>The origin of the term lily (yuri) dates back to 1971, when Ito Bungaku, editor-in-chief of the Japanese male homosexual magazine Barazoku , named the submission corner for female homosexuals the lily clan room (百合族の部屋). It is said that the reason female homosexuals were referred to as lilies at this time was because the meaning of lily was self-love. The flower language of lilies is purity.>In the 1980s , Japanese porn production company Nikkatsu Roman Porno produced a series of pornographic films such as "Uniform Yuri Tribe", "Sailor Uniform Yuri Tribe", "OL Yuri Tribe", and "Female Teacher Yuri Tribe", and as these were covered by the mass media, names such as yuri and yuri tribe became established as terms referring to female homosexuality and lesbianism.The association started in the 70s and it definitely wasn't said in a fetishistic way by a gay man.
>>287702966>it definitely wasn't said in a fetishistic way by a gay manYes, it obviously was.Also I was referring to the /a/ meme specifically.The other retard accused me of being politically motivated when no one of that board was denying the fetishistic nature of yuri before the time period where the internet became more political.
>>287703056>Yes, it obviously was.Not him but it really wasn't, Yuri/Lily was just meant to parallel Bara/Rose
>>287703102The association with purity (which I’m assuming came later) was fetishistic.
>>287703056The gay man was obviously not jerking off to lesbians. >was denying the fetishistic nature of yuri before the time period where the internet became more political.There have been people since /a/ began that have admitted to liking yuri but not being able to find it arousing.
gay men like twinks though
>>287703139>The gay man was obviously not jerking off to lesbiansYou’d be surprised >There have been people since /a/ began that have admitted to liking yuri but not being able to find it arousingWithout denying that it’s a fetish.
>>287703130>he association with purity (which I’m assuming came later) was fetishistic.Nigger it's one of the oldest and strongest associations this flower hashttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_flowers#Ancient_Greece>Lily (Krinon) Purity, motherhoodhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanakotoba>白百合 Shirayuri Lily (white) Purity, chastity
>>287703170Are you speaking from experience then?>without denying that it’s a fetishIt's not a fetish to them if they don't find it sexually attractive. See something like: https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/53622162/#53623023
>>287703151The most prized guy among gays is, was and in all likelihood always will be a conventionally masculine macho hunk. It's not to say you won't find twinkfuckers among homosexuals or anything but generally speaking bisexual men strongly contribute to twinkfaggotry more than people think because twinks are relatively speaking much closer to being women-lite than other looks
>>287703206And yet the other anon (and the article you yourself posted) claim that's not the reason why this association was created.>>287703249Experience of seeing retards online sure>It's not a fetish to them if they don't find it sexually attractiveBut they, again, didn't deny that it's a fetish. They just note that they're not sexually stimulated by it. "Stayed for the plot" situation.Also lol at the example post you provided. You really didn't have much to work with huh.
>>287693690Your example isn't even "woman oriented yuri". Its just yuri in a particular josei style. You realise josei and shoujo have as many styles as seinen does, yeah?I'll never get the weird obsession to pretend knowledge on a subject someone admits to hating. Social media made people such fragile losers they have to even pretend tonknow shit about things they don't even care about.
>>287703731So you don't know anything, which is why you're not posted many examples of it happening.>didn't deny that it's a fetish.They expressed confusion at the fact that people would even consider fapping to it (treating it like a fetish). Plus, I used that thread because other people echo the sentiment in the thread; just look at posts saying things like "people fap to yuri? I just like it because it's cute", which means you didn't even bother to read the rest of the thread.
>>287703130Do anti-yuri schizos realise they argue 'exactly' like woke feminists?Not just in style, but making the same brainfried arguments about 'ackshually purity is problematic fetishism'
I just want hot guys fucking each other, if the big, hunky one is the bottom, even better.
>>287703836>you don't know anythingKeep telling yourself that>They expressed confusion at the fact that people would even consider fapping to itNot the only fetish to have people say stuff like that about it without trying to pretend it's not a fetish.>>287703841>anti-yuri schizosOxymoronAlso feminist retards think wanting a virgin woman is excessive purityfaggotry, which is retarded because it's just normal. But arguing about the "purity" of the kind of porn you fap to does in fact mean that you're obsessed with it to a fetishistic degree
>>287703912>OxymoronThe word is tautology, actually.
>>287703992Nah lol. All the biggest fucking schizos and lolcows on this board are yuritards, and the ones on other sites are somehow even more mentally ill
>>287703912I don't have to tell myself anything when you won't even post an example, because you know it's so rare and abnormal.>not the only fetish to have people say stuff like that More vague generalities without demonstrating any proof. Some people are clearly enjoying it in a non-fetishistic/sexual way even if some others are. The fact that many yuri authors are straight women who don't get aroused from their material is already telling.
Do you ever stop and consider that spending so much time seething about anime lesbians might be slightly mentally ill?
>>287704037>it's so rare and abnormalWell yeah, we're talking about faggots>Some people are clearly enjoying it in a non-fetishistic/sexual wayBut didn't start to claim it's not objectively a fetish until recently.
>>287704094Even within an uncommon subset, it's still obviously rare. There are no gay men yuri authors.>start to claim it's not objectively a fetish until recentlyThen everything is a fetish then because someone, somewhere can be aroused by it. When someone says that yuri isn't a fetish, they're talking about for them personally, which obviously applies to a lot of the first yuri authors who were mostly all women.
>>287704228>There are no gay men yuri authorsYou just posted a link that said the term yuri was coined by a "gay man".>everything is a fetishWhen we're talking about sexual stuff that is mostly true yes. The only exception being vanilla stuff.>When someone says that yuri isn't a fetish, they're talking about for them personallylol no. See >>287702044 . They say it's not a fetish in an attempt to normalize homosexual relationships and put them on equal footings with normal ones
>>287704311Regardless of their intentions, some people don't find it arousing, so it's not a fetish for them. And that described the majority of the original audience which was mostly straight female authors and female fans, which cuts against your claim that it was seen exclusively (or even majorly) in a fetishistic light. >you just posted a link that said the term yuri was coined by a "gay man".Please fix your reading comprehension because he's not a yuri author. He used the lily flower to describe lesbians and it stuck.
>>287700256>two of the most popular yuri series >one is feminine other is butch/androHuh is this what lesbians want?
>>287704522>some people don't find it arousing, so it's not a fetish for themThey don't have the fetish but don't deny that it's a fetish.>he's not a yuri authorHe still cared about them enough to come up with a nomenclature that later became the name of the genre.
>>287704632Because yuri isn't inherently a fetish, it's a genre. Some yuri can feature fetishization and sexualization (which is fine), but that doesn't make every work in the genre like that, especially when you look in the genre's past.>he still cared about themBecause they were writing letters to his magazine. He didn't bring it up apropos of nothing
>>287704952It's a genre that's based on a fetish
>>287704952It's definitely fetish for most. Only minority fraction of guys are interested in its romantic aspect.
>>287686650Whatever you do, don't look up Rachel Dolezal
>>287685438lmao
>>287685438shonen bros usually don't care about the race of a character, it's almost always the fujos
>>287705010If it wasn't a fetish for a number of those who originally made and consumed it, it doesn't have to be a fetish for those people either.>>287705067Both the most popular yuri stories, even the ones published in seinen and shounen magazines for guys, feature a romantic aspect.
>>287705211Well the fact of the matter is before recently nobody was adamantly denying yuri being a fetish like that other anon was doing, even the people who didn't have that fetish, knew it was a fetish.
>>287685392lesbians drawn by lesbian women would be some tumblr excrement like this
>>287705211It really doesn't matter as long as it has fanservice. Look at shows like GOMG and compare it more light hearted yuri shows. The reason most men are drawn to this genre is obvious.
>>287705448Those light-hearted yuri shows like Yuru Yuri are more popular though. Even more series yuri romances like YagaKimi sold better than Mahoako when it came to their respective manga. >>287705277>even the people who didn't have that fetish, knew it was a fetishBased on what? Early yuri magazines with their female fanbases wanted nothing to do with more sexualized series. From a profit standpoint, they would have included those series if they didn't care.
>>287705375Western art isn't yuri. This would be an example of a yuri series drawn by a woman claiming to lesbian.
>>287685392Only men can appretiate the beauty of masculinity
>>287700307According to this anon jealous people don't exist.Do you think when Squidward said "OH NO HE'S HOT" to Squilliam that he meant he wanted to fuck him?
>>287685392women that like beefy men read books, not manga
>>287706747You mean western women
>>287703380twink is like always among the top 3 trending on gay porn websites at all times. i don't believe you.
>>287703380>>287706990the average faggot wants to be the twink but want to be with the hunk
>>287685392Western lesbians always draw fat lesbians because le male gaze
>>287706325Neither Haruka nor Michiru looked or sounded jealous in that scene
>>287702802>If there truly was a "gay gene" it would have died out very quickly.The "Gay gene" would not die out quickly, in fact not only has homosexuality been observed in nearly every two-sex species we have checked but gay sexuality appears to help with population control.Also you didn't answer the question Is the planet more or less than 50 million years old?
>>287707495I'd post the worms copypasta but the mods would delete it because it's off topic
>>287707567You don't know how to get around the off-topic problem?Just talk about whatever the discussion is about and at the end attach some tangential trivia about anime.I think this technique of mine was inspired by my desire to be more like Gendo from Evangelion because he is a world class manipulator. I could never be like him though, because he rarely speaks and I'm a motormouth.
>>287707632then just google toxoplasma gondii and you will get the gist of it
>>287707567Right, but as I was asking do you think the world is more or less than 50 million years old?Because in Evangelion it's given to be the scientifically accepted age of the earth, roughly 4 billion years ago.Do you think Evangelion is wrong by setting the date this far in the past?
>>287685392Gaykomi authors actually like masculine traits. BL authors are actually insecure women that feel threatened by another female and have a hard time self inserting, so they create this weird scenario where the man has feminine traits and acts as a stand in for her, this is literally Fujoshi mentalityBoth Men and Gay Females like feminine traits, and represent it as such, as hot sexy women making out. >>287685438Imagine getting part of your argument right only to fumble it. Lmao, dumbass-kun.
>>287696554Lesbians love GK because the men there, despite all the sex jokes, are pretty sexless and rarely are interested in heterosexual pursuits.
>>287702802The evolutionary biology theory for homosexuality in humans is often called the 'Gay Uncle Theory', where its theorized that it is advantageous to have a certain % of nonbreeding persons in a community of Homo sapiens that can assist in labor and child-rearing without adding to the population cap. A gay uncle can watch kids or do work building homes, without reproducing and stressing food supplies further. And bloodlines with this condition would be more likely to survive than those where all adults breed.
>>287707991>nonbreeding persons in a community of Homo sapiens that can assist in labor and child-rearing without adding to the population cap. A gay uncle can watch kidsBut how is that possible when all gays are traumatized degenerate pederasts?
>>287708117You tell me, you have the experience.
Gay men prize masculinity? Gay women prize feminity?
>fap to traps>click on Yaoi by mistake>It's exact same thing except no long hair and make up
>>287708131Was that supposed to be a comeback
>>287692132
>>287710606she's not short enough
>>287685477Basically.>>287685392Not that true.I'm bi and I would much rather draw the thing on the left than the thing on the right. Warms my heart more and I feel more identified with it. But, thing on the right is cool, even if I don't sexualize it much. I am shy about sexualizing as a whole.There are often stylistic and story differences between yuri by men and yuri by women too, but this is probably beside the image's point?The takeaway is that likely, all sorts of variations in attraction and preferences regarding the image can and do happen.Generalizing as an act can be misleading. Not necessarily, like, anathema, since it has its use, but it is misleading.
>>287709071There is a sizable slice of the population which enjoys androgyny. Rarely does anyone give a purely masculine or feminine impression, anyway. Maybe Aniki.
>>287685392Okay but gays shouldn't exist in the first place. Waste of talents, gay rights was nothing but a mistake. And when I say gay I meant all of homos including lesbians.
>>287687114eroticism is surface level for meneroticism is subtextual for women
>>287707495>The "Gay gene" would not die out quicklyYes it would, because they wouldn’t seek to reproduce.>homosexuality been observed in nearly every two-sex speciesSame sex attraction was like all paraphiliasLack of opposite sex attraction wasn’t
>>287707991That is an extremely retarded theory that isn’t based on anything but the will to legitimize paraphilic behavior
>>287711794>Yes it would, because they wouldn’t seek to reproduce.A lot of you Christians forget that it doesn't prevent you from having sex and that evolution would mutate traits like it.
>>287711835No it wouldn’t According to Darwinism only the traits that favor passing down your genes survive Whatever trait would make one unattracted to the opposite sex would have died out in one generation. This trait still existing today is impossible. Lack of opposite sex attraction is completely unscientific and in fact was never heard of before 1860 when a rape victim came up with the (nonsensical) concept of sexual orientations
>>287685392Are fujoshis pedos or something???
>>287711623There are literally 8 billion people on this planet and we are going to have ecological disasters that are going to make life worse. Why would you want to have a child in the worst time in history?
>>287711872You don't understand darwinism is, you just lazily parrot Christian apologetics from white youtubers who haven't taken an intro to biology course.
>>287685907Yeah, but if you make one of the yaoi members a cute femboy or trap they hate it instead
>>287711940Go to bed Klaus>>287711958>You don't understand darwinismIronic
>>287695025black people can be retarded too
There's a pro-yuri janny, I wouldn't recommend even discussing this thing
>>287712299let them alone, constrained to the yuri threads
>>287692090That was a fun ride.
>>287709154Scientifically proven traps are gay.
>>287706990The issue with porn sites is that it's impossible to control for orientation(among other factors like self-insertion or even preferred position in bed). Still, I'm sure you can intuitively get that a guy watching twinky femboy Astolfo cosplayer riding a dildo is much, much more likely to also be into women than the guy watching two hairy bearded fucks in leather uniforms buttfucking each other.There are two bell curves here and they do overlap to a greater or lesser extent, but overall one IS shifted towards masculinity than the other
bumpslop below me
>>287711810That is just how evolutionary theory works.
>>287711872>According to Darwinism only the traits that favor passing down your genes survive >Whatever trait would make one unattracted to the opposite sex would have died out in one generation. This trait still existing today is impossible.This is simply incorrect. Something like altruism and a willingness to die for others is bad in a crass sense, but if you understand that humans are a pack species and that bloodlines exist outside the individual, it instead makes a lot of sense that bloodlines where members were willing to die for one another would survive longer. Sociopathy is good for the individual, but bad for the pack and therefore sociopathy as a trait has its incidence rate moderated by the reality that packs with too many sociopaths destroy themselves. Homosexuality is not deleterious to the pack in a low enough incidence rate while providing certain potential benefits or otherwise lacking specific harm, therefore bloodlines with those genetics surviving is very rational. Because even if that individual doesn't reproduce, its siblings that carry almost all the same genes can.
>>287711872>Whatever trait would make one unattracted to the opposite sex would have died out in one generation.Actually it would take more than a single generation to for passive states to go out. Now moving on people here continue to spew unproven evolutionary psychology. Biological determinism is not the reason you are gay. That's an outdated line of reasoning. Human sexuality is far more complex than what a few combinations of genes can explain.We still don't know what actually causes homosexuality and those who have attempted to propose rigid theories have failed to produce consistent results. Most researchers today believe it stems from a multitude of factors including social, genetic and hormonal influences. However we still lack a clear understanding and the prevailing reasons seem to change every decade. It certainly doesn't help that research into human sexuality is one of the most controversial fields one where a researcher even risk losing their job.
>>287706925>implying
>>287696483Did you see the Chill chill awards?
>>287705375If you want to see what ideal lesbian anime looks like, check out the art for Path to Nowhere, which is a gacha played pretty much exclusively by lesbians. It’s full of tall lean superwomen and high fashion.
>>287713497No it’s not lmao >>287713532Altruism survived because people are stronger as a group >Homosexuality is not deleterious to the pack in a low enough incidence rate while providing certain potential benefits or otherwise lacking specific harmYes it is, homosexuality brings nothing to the table and makes the pack have less offspring, a pack without it will have higher survivability in every single generation, until it eventually dies out. It also wasn’t observed at all before 1860, nobody was denying opposite sex attraction until then.>>287714134>Biological determinism is not the reason you are gayExactly, because homosexuality isn’t real and sexual orientation theory is wrong.>We still don't know what actually causes homosexualityWe did for all of history until jews started to try normalizing it actually, it’s no different from the other paraphilias, it’s caused by degeneracy, hedonism and untreated mental disorders.
>>287714747>It also wasn’t observed at all before 1860, nobody was denying opposite sex attraction until then.>We did for all of history until jews started to try normalizing it actuallyLmao, you are a very funny dude. There are many documented historical figures that expressed little interest in women but who had deep and powerful relationships with men.
>>287714747https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-eng-102-college-writing-ii/chapter/aristophaness-speech-in-platos-symposium/>But they who are a section of the male follow the male, and while they are young, being slices of the original man, they hang about men and embrace them, and they are themselves the best of boys and youths, because they have the most manly nature. Some indeed assert that they are shameless, but this is not true; for they do not act thus from any want of shame, but because they are valiant and manly, and have a manly countenance, and they embrace that which is like them. And these when they grow up become our statesmen, and these only, which is a great proof of the truth of what I am saving. When they reach manhood they are lovers of youth, and are not naturally inclined to marry or beget children,—if at all, they do so only in obedience to the law; but they are satisfied if they may be allowed to live with one another unwedded; and such a nature is prone to love and ready to return love, always embracing that which is akin to him.
>>287715018>There are many documented historical figures that expressed little interest in women but who had deep and powerful relationships with menYou're making this up.>>287715086He was wrong though, because these people did marry and have kids (and there was no law forcing them to do so like he claims)Also, watch this https://youtu.be/BNAT4ybsz_EAlso, watch this
>>287715272Marrying and procreating doesn't require sexual attraction. Right now, if your life was on the line, you could have sex with a big hairy man.
>>287715381Marrying and procreation is caused by sexual attraction
>>287685438new 'toss
>>287715272>can’t argue so just posts a youtube slop videoThanks for the laughBut we don’t have 99% of the writing from ancient times, so we don’t know most of their laws in day-to-day life. More so in Ancient Greece, where all the different city states had their own laws.
>>287715393Marriage (especially in the past) was a legal agreement, not a romantic one. Procreation requires two things, an erect penis, and an unoccupied vagina. No love necessary. You can force yourself to have an erection to have sex with a female that you're not attracted to. You could even do it with other men. If I said, "fuck or die" and put you in a room with another male Anon, you'll figure it out.
>>287715416We absolutely know their laws thoughAlso the video I linked gave arguments>>287715421>Marriage (especially in the past) was a legal agreement, not a romantic oneFeminist brain tumor narrativePeople marry each other because they love each other
>expect cultured discussions about character designs when dealing with anime buttsex and carpet munching>some spergs are arguing about horseshit like it's /pol/, /his/ or some other den of subhuman retardsLame
>>287715442And you’re too retarded to even repeat the arguments apparently. We only still have the law codes of major cities like Athens. Not even Spartahttps://www.britannica.com/topic/Greek-law>one was the existence of a multiplicity of city-states (poleis), each of which possessed and administered its own set of laws
>>287715555Yeah sorry I'm not gonna transcript an entire video to you instead of linking itAnd we have enough to know that marrying and having children was never state enforced
>>287715582You can't even site related sources because you don't know them. (Which is what a good history video would show)>https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/38202/pg38202-images.html>No systematic collection of Greek laws has come down to us. Our knowledge of some of the earliest notions of the subject is derived from the Homeric poems. For the details of Attic law we have to depend on ex parte statements in the speeches of the Attic orators, and we are sometimes enabled to check those statements by the trustworthy, but often imperfect, aid of inscriptions.
>>287715966It gives all the sources it needs to thoAlso no tales or writings or whatever from the time treats marriage as something that was enforced by law, people just wanted to do it
>>287716041Which you haven’t referenced. Because you’re retarded. If you weren’t, you’d know that 99.99% of writing & tales are lost and cases of arranged marriages exist even in that slim amount.
>>287716392There is still enough to tell how common something isAlso arranged marriages are mostly a meme. People back then weren't retarded, they wouldn't marry their children to someone they hated.If the kid really didn't want it they would switch to someone else, the parents mostly just assisted their children in finding someone (which can hardly be considered a bad thing especially when you look at modern dating lol).
>>287716392That anon is baiting you, best not to engage
>>287716530But it happened. And there are tales of it happening from many periods. Go read the Acts of Paul and Thecla. The female protagonist refuses to get arranged married & have sex with the governor and she gets put to death.
>>287716530>still no sources
>>287693811God bless the author who created Bravern along with Isami and Lewis. One of the best pairings I've ever seen.
>>287716989Tales like this were mostly either heavily exaggerated or outright made up stories about other cultures. Same reason why Caesar's writings about tribes like the Gauls aren't really reliable. Every civilization back then was depicting the others as barbaric.
>>287717095>claims are only fake if they disprove my pointNo one’s talking about %’s of how rare/common it was. It was something that happened, like the quote says.
>>287700307When you call a sunset beautiful, does that mean you want to fuck it?
>>287718025Beautiful and attractive are two different terms
>>287717091Hopefully there will be a sequel.
>>287707991NTA, but 'Gay Uncle Theory' isn't really a theory in the scientific sense. It's a hypothesis, and one with a considerable number of holes.For starters, homosexuality is estimated to be only about 30% heritable; for comparison, autism is estimated to be between 80 and 90% heritable.Secondly, homosexuality, particularly male homosexuality, is positively associated with several negative mental health conditions, which may make it harder for homosexuals to act as auxiliaries to parents. Gay men have a suicide rate estimated to be 1.5 to 14.6 times that of their heterosexual counterparts. Similarly, higher rates of anxiety, depression, and substance use are also known.And, most crucially, male homosexuals do not exhibit any higher rates of familial care than heterosexuals do; in fact, they are more likely to be estranged from their families.Bailey JM, Vasey PL, Diamond LM, Breedlove SM, Vilain E, Epprecht M (September 2016). "Sexual Orientation, Controversy, and Science"Sandin S, Lichtenstein P, Kuja-Halkola R, Hultman C, Larsson H, Reichenberg A (September 2017). "The Heritability of Autism Spectrum Disorder"Safren SA, Heimberg RG (December 1999). "Depression, hopelessness, suicidality, and related factors in sexual minority and heterosexual adolescents".Sandfort, T., ed. (2000). "Chapter 2". Lesbian and Gay Studies: An Introductory, Interdisciplinary Approach. SAGE Publications. Bobrow, David; Bailey, J. Michael (2001). "Is male homosexuality maintained via kin selection?".>Reddit spacingContemporary science seems to point to the biological aspect of homosexuality having more to do with endocrinology and with immunology, particularly the prenatal uterine environment.Bailey JM, Vasey PL, Diamond LM, Breedlove SM, Vilain E, Epprecht M (September 2016). "Sexual Orientation, Controversy, and Science"Balthazart J (January 2018). "Fraternal birth order effect on sexual orientation explained"
>>287720269>>287707991Side note, while we are on the topic of kin selection, I would like to point you to a more substantiated hypothesis, though one that does not have to do with homosexuality: the 'Killer Uncle Hypothesis.'It has been observed from data of medieval Icelanders that men who killed others generally seemed to secure higher kin fitness and lower mortality for their immediate kin.Dunbar, R.I.M, et al. "Are there fitness benefits to violence? The case of medieval Iceland"
>>287720269The "heritability" of homoisexuality is just because degenerates rape their kids more oftenThere is nothing hereditary or biological at all about it which is why it cannot be predicted on a fetus.
>>287720354Okay, then how do you explain the observable phenomenon that second- and third-born sons exhibit higher rates of homosexuality than firstborns? Or how do you explain the observable physiological differences between homosexuals and heterosexuals? This phenomenon is obviously biological in nature.
>>287720604>second- and third-born sons exhibit higher rates of homosexuality than firstborns?This is obviously due to them being more easily insecure in relation to older brothers.>physiological differences between homosexuals and heterosexualsThis is because paraphiles don't take care of their body the same way.
>>287720745>This is obviously due to them being more easily insecure in relation to older brothers.I don't find it obvious that insecurity would lead to one wanting to be bummed in the ass.>This is because paraphiles don't take care of their body the same way.The physiological differences are seen in brain scans, examinations of the inner ear, and measurements of finger digit ratios. These hardly seem like the result of self-care or lack thereof.
>>287711794First of off we're not sure how homosexuality is transmitted because sexuality does exist on a kind of spectrum. Even if it weren't there may be developmental factors that are not genetic but affect sexuality. Even if it was being transmitted by alleles that does not mean that it would be bred out of the gene pool because it may be like a recessive gene. Thus a gene that hangs around in the population and then expresses itself when another recessive is introduced. This is like Junior high genetics stuff. They teach this along with 'mitochondria are the powerhouse of the cell.'Also is the world older or younger that 50 million years? As an Evangelion fan that places the first impact at 4 billion years ago I want to know your opinion.
>>287721127>I don't find it obvious that insecurity would lead to one wanting to be bummed in the assSubconsciously it's a way to not be seen as competition by threatening males.>The physiological differences are seen in brain scans, examinations of the inner ear, and measurements of finger digit ratiosThis is clearly wrong since it's never been predicted this way. More bullshit pseudoscientists make up to justify normalizing it by pretending it's not a choice>>287721283>we're not sureSpeak for yourself, I can explain it just fine. Paraphilia usually comes from getting groomed.>sexuality does exist on a kind of spectrumIt doesn't; there are normal people and paraphiles, that's it. Paraphiles can be attracted to animals, objects, people of the same sex, whatever the fuck. And there is nothing genetic about paraphilia, it is pure degeneracy.
>>287721398Also is the world older or younger that 50 million years? As an Evangelion fan that places the first impact at 4 billion years ago I want to know your opinion.
>>287721431The world is 26 years old because Haruhi created it on Tanabata 3 years before the first LN came out.
>>287721398>Subconsciously it's a way to not be seen as competition by threatening males.Psychoanalysis is not reliable.>This is clearly wrong since it's never been predicted this way.As in, predicting a person's sexuality based on their physiology? That's not really viable because the observed differences are only differences in averages; there's still a lot of overlap between the two populations, so at best you could use it to increase your probability of guessing a person's sexuality correctly.>More bullshit pseudoscientists make up to justify normalizing it by pretending it's not a choiceI agree that most people who study the topic are emotionally invested in normalizing homosexuality, hence the constant affirmations that it's a normal and natural thing, but this doesn't change the objective reality that there exist physiological differences between homosexuals and heterosexuals, along with other phenomena, that heavily suggest an environmental, prenatal cause for it. And, even if you think homosexuality is something morally wrong, it is still worth familiarizing yourself with its causes, since that could provide a viable path for preventing its development.
>>287722697>Psychoanalysis is not reliable.When it’s done by retarded people.>at best you could use it to increase your probability of guessing a person's sexuality correctlyAnd that has never been done, because it’s bullshit.>prenatal cause for itBullshit. Call me when it can be predicted on a fetus. Stuff like autism can, homosexuality can’t. You know what else can’t be predicted on a fetus? Other paraphilias, such as zoophilia. Because none of that has a biological cause.
>>287685438Where is the amoung'st?
>>287722939All replication studies are prediction studies. All studies subsequent to the first one that examined the digit ratio of lesbians compared to heterosexual women predicted and subsequently confirmed that a group of women with longer ring fingers will have a higher proportion of lesbians compared to the general female population. The same type of probabilistic prediction is done for the other physiological differences.>Bullshit. Call me when it can be predicted on a fetus. Stuff like autism can, homosexuality can’tAutism can't be predicted (I assume you mean diagnosed) in fetuses; diagnoses are made around age two. You're thinking of Down syndrome. Similarly, while homosexuality cannot be diagnosed in fetuses, recent research suggests that we can predict rates of homosexuality based on a fetus's and its mother's hormones.Carosa, Eleonora; Lenzi, Andrea; Jannini, Emmanuele A. (May 2018). "Thyroid hormone receptors and ligands, tissue distribution and sexual behavior". Molecular and Cellular Endocrinology. 467: 49–59.
>>287724083Sounds like incoherent bullshit to me. Again, where has it been predicted on someone who didn’t already identify with that based on physical factors?And if it’s just probabilistic, have you considered the fact that maybe these criteria are actually correlated with something else, for example lack of testosterone, which would make people easier to manipulate therefore more likely to believe in lgbt bullshit and identify with it?>recent research suggests that we can predict rates of homosexuality based on a fetus's and its mother's hormonesSounds like more bullshit.
