Isayama said he was dishonest with the ending He himself admits that he didn't have the guts to make Eren irredeemable.
grass is green, water is wet, etc
>>287691676Isayama was mad at Eren having more fans than Armong so he sabotaged Eren (and other characters) because he had the shittiest taste ever so he wanked armong and gabi as much as he could to the point snk got GoT (lmao) and nobody cares about snk and Isayama anymore
What? He drove Eren into the ground and made him irredeemable. He killed millions and ended up crying like a loser.
>>287691676I've been saying this since the day the chapter came out. I demand a cash prize from all the "muh eternal champion" fags for having been correct this entire time.
>>287691676Is this fucking AI generated or something?
>>287691729He added the whole "Actually I wanted you to stop me so the world would unite against a common enemy" bit to try and make what Eren did some kind of "sacrifice" and "what he planned for all along" instead of just a rabid dog the heroes needed to put down.
Isayama is shit
>>287691676I can't imagine how much sewage is in this man's onsen
I want every single ending defender go pick a pipe and then rapes their own assholes. Yes im seeing you "Eren is not free"
Honestly it stopped being good around the time it ceased to be "medieval zombie apocalypse but with giants" and started with "worldwide persecution complex about exile race of magic worm freaks".Redeemed itself slightly with "if Hollywood Hitler is what they expect from us then that is what they shall get from us" then destroyed itself utterly with sobbing cuckery and half measures.
>>287691791What you want isn't going to happen.You are not free.
>>287691676His own assessment is correct. He didn't commit. He purposefully left holes for the fans to fill how they like to choose the ending they prefer, but in doing that he made it contradictory and now none of the explanations work.
Japs don't have the BALLS to admit that genocide is good and necessary sometimes.
>>287691676Well ya, he wrote the shittiest ending ever to a series that already kinda had the ending spelled out for him. Everyone just wanted to see him wrap it up and it would have all been fine, AOT would have gone down as a solid manga story worth reading if you are interested in that kind of thing. Instead he reduced the story down to being about how Eren is the most retarded cuck of all time because he failed to get a girl who was obviously in love with him from the get go despite us literally, the audience, literally getting to read his mind at multiple points of the story and at no point did he give a shit about Mikasa beyond generally not wanting her to die. You just can't do that as a writer, unless you wanna reveal that Eren was schizophrenic then you boxed yourself in. Also hyping up Historia getting pregnant and asking Eren about having a child became an incoherent idea that went nowhere, despite it being hyped up. In general Eren's relationship with Historia went nowhere which retroactively makes all parts of the story with her seem utterly pointless. The cringevengers were just...idk most of them probably shoulda just died because what else is there for them to do other than be cringe. Then all the other titan shifters turning against Eren also made absolutely no sense. Kruger and Eren's dad turning on him makes no sense. What happened to the giant fucking worm? None of it made it sense and was just absolutely awful in every field, reducing the entire story down to something that should be forgotten about. The only way to redeem the story is to stop reading/watching as soon as Eren starts the rumbling and headcanon endings for all the loose ends
>>287691676This reads as "yeah I know the ending sucks but its not my fault but the readers because they loved Eren so I couldn't make him commit completely to the bit"
>>287693201That's retarded when all the readers wanted Eren to win. Making him a kek does not preserve his character for the readers. I hope Isayama gets a fresh wave of shit in his onsen for this
there's a relatively good point about the nature of being an author on a long-running project that will be buried under a pile of grievance you're not the same person you were 10 years ago, yet these people commit fully to ideas they imagined back then. do you allow the story to evolve with you, or stick to your guns? i think the issue with isayama was that he committed to neither fully, became more of a contrast than a synthesis.
SnK is a 10/10 if you stop reading right here
>>287691676>ended up crying like a loserExactly. Isayama tried to evoke pity with "10 years at least" scene.
>>287693622>>287691729
>>287691676>he didn't have the guts to make Eren irredeemable.But Eren WAS irredeemable. Is he under the impression he actually redeemed him with that bullshit muh paths and moving forward no matter what he tried to change? Because he didn't
>>287693201Little did he know readers loved Eren because he was committed to the bit
>>287693673There's no way he didn't know. He's just deflecting the blame to these imaginary fans for his own shortcomings.
>>287693331That….or if he actually had to change shit.I kept this as a personal suspicion of mine since “lol, imagine he was actually forced to change shit, you are a delusional incel”.But the more Isayama himself continue bringing the manga up..the more it kinda becomes not a mere suspicion.He got silentThan he started posting and revealing contradictory shit, even in universe (you remember the wall titans? Actually the reverted into humans and got murdered by the survivors…i decided to not show it since it would’ve made Armin winning look bad), than he closed any project he had alongside that stuff with Sawano and Yuki…and officially quitted as a writer and artist all togheter….Dunno, his behavior is very strage in the last years since the manga ended.It really seems like he not happy for how the manga ended either
>>287693654The intention is not to condone his actions, but that you're supposed to sympathize with Eren at the end because he was no longer free, if he ever was, and all his friends were crying for him, so you should too. The final chapter was written to want to reader to feel sad that it came to this at all, because people couldn't get along, but now maybe they will.Who can forget Reiner's "Eren, what a man you are" line, and continual visits to his grave by his friends.That's why there's a huge disconnect between what Eren did and how the characters feel about him in the end. It's also why "Thank you, Eren, you became a mass murderer for our sake" was so bad of a line that Isayama admitted it was bad and the anime removed it.
>>287691676Yeah, we could tell.Everyone could tell.
>>287691676Eren was only redeemable if he won. The supposed last frame of the manga that was supposed to be Eren holding a newborn child is the only possible redemption for him. After destroying the world he then commits to making it a better place with the guilt on his shoulders for having destroyed it in the first place. Making him a sad confused cuck retard makes him irredeemable
>>287691676He should go back to his hotsprings and shut the fuck up.
>>287691811I remember noping out in like 2012 because I could feel the Lost mystery box writing about to hit during the first beast titan chapters. Now I'm vindicated 14 years later
How would he have made Eren completely unsympathetic? Maybe if the 50 year plan didn't involve child murder and just seemed like it would be difficult and humiliating, and Eren was like nah world wide genocide
>>287691811I knew the manga was fucked when they reached the basement and we got the big reveal. At that moment I spiritually dropped it, but physically and mentally I was still following out of curiosity and sunk cost.I couldn't even get mad at the ending and other retarded shit near the end because it already turned into shit a long time ago. The only thing that could've even slightly redeemed Eotena Onslaught at that point was total Eren victory, because at least that would've been a unique ending and made normalfags mad.
>>287691763I was surprised people were complaining about chainsaw man's ending. SnK's ending permanently lowered my standards
>>287694756too full of /a/non shit for him to enjoy
>>287695294Anon, people hated part 2 as a whole for how confused and messy it was
>>287691676looks fake as shit.hacksayama does not have the spine to admit this.
>>287691811It stopped being good exactly here. Halfway through volume 31. 124 and onwards just isn't canon. It's a weird retarded parody.
>>287695333the proles in the shueisha comments only turned on it after the ending. Where did part 2 fall apart for you? During the year long falling devil fight?
>>287691676why would he make a plaque like this
>>287695404>Where did part 2 fall apart for you?Not him but the first thing that stood out to me as a major issue was the end of aging arc, specifically I still don't understand what the fuck happened action wise
>>287695456Nayuta's death is the last solid plot point I think, it just collapses from there
>>287691676Is this new, or did this go around a long time ago and is just resurfacing?
>>287691676should have stayed with the canonical ending.
>>287691676Okay lemme see if i got this right...he's apparently saying that "from the beginning" he planned for Eren to become an irredeemable scumbag monster man who always had the desire to be the bully/abuser/monster so to speak within as a big twist, but fucked up because Eren had a ton of fans no doubt due to an entire 22 volumes/three seasons worth of material where he's the hot-headed/slightly crazy hero wherein the only reference to any innate desire for him to fuck shit up/destroy the world/kill people unapologetically was an anime-only addition in season one.Thus said fans were too attached to him that literally anything isayama did to push the part where Eren becomes said irredeemable scumbag monster man falls flat because Eren's fans actively want him to win or want to find any excuse to make it seem as though his actions aren't his own so they wouldn't have to deal with the fact that the hero is now the villain regardless of what he did, which ultimately led to the ending we got.Honestly, AoT shoulda just ended at the ocean, or just...not done what it did after.
>>287691691wrong
>>287691676Eren was too damn stupid to ever be considered fully despicable.
>>287696274Eren murdered multiple guys with zero hesitation before his balls dropped. People can cope he did it to save Mikasa, but that boy was never right in the head. How is that a twist? Was Isayama really spineless enough to backtrack on something he established early on in the story just because his readers were retarded?
>>287691676will still shit on his onsen
>>287696757Yet he was also the guy who>cheered at the children watching him and the survey corps marching toward the walls>feeling bad when he was powerless or not strong enough to save people around him>empatized with the children having to deal with a similar trauma he and his friends endured in shigashina when they were planning to kill Titan Rod>begged Historia to killing him for all the shit Grisha did and for all the genuine pain he thought it caused during uprising arc>cried like a bitch to not being able to save Hannes, same when Sasha died>was genuinely depressed during Marley arc and anyone with half a brain could tell he was act so cold but deep inside he was suffering during the whole arc>literally begged in apology to Ramzey because he knew he and his family were just unfortunate and innocent casualties in a genocide he had no way to prevent (since it was either getting genocized or genocide, no other choice was left to him without sacrificing people dear to him)He displayed many many times in the manga to be a person full of empathy and not the crazy psychopath Ending defenders pretend he always was.
>>287691729He isn't le ebil or something
This manga would be remembered more fondly if it went for a full End Of Eva genocide ending.If you actually wanted to make a "mass murder bad" statement then actually showing the negative consequences of that would make more sense, yes? If the "heroes" always stop the "villain" then people just assume than an idea is an impossibility, but if the "hero" is the one doing the bad thing then you're going to contemplate the danger more thoroughly. Anyone can be fighting for a good cause and then lead themselves to a bad outcome through flawed thinking (e.g. inevitability), so showing the fallout of that is the best possible way to make a point. Why did Isayama cop out this fucking hard when it only made his themes meaningless - don't worry about genocide, humanity's strongest soldier Armin (lmao) will save you with magic powers!!! Christ.
>>287696869Yes, he had strong moral convictions as well as an abnormal taste for brutal violence. The story was always about the internal conflict between his two sides. There were three options for the resolution: synthesis, his moral side winning out, or his murderous side winning out. Isayama wanted it to be the last one, and there's nothing inherently wrong with that. There's also nothing wrong with realizing along the way that he should switch to a different outcome. Isayama is saying he didn't really want to switch though, he felt compelled to because of readers who had a dindu nuffin version of Eren in their head. I think he tried for synthesis instead, but he half-assed it so there was no real resolution. Eren was caught up in his internal conflict right until his death.
>>287697049Isayama bitched out by not dropping his retarded time travel memory shenanigans at an early stage. You can whitewash anyone with this shit.Have the balls to make your characters do fucked up things for their own reasons. There's a reason everyone loves Floch, his arc is just Eren's in miniature but done properly.
>>287695423He had a blank wall at his onsen
>>287691676the fundamental problem is he made Eren's pov correct or at least understandable. If you want to make a genocide bad story then don't make it a kill or be killed scenario with the other side being cartoonishly evil/selfish who are also trying to genocide to the point where the people opposing it look ridiculous
>>287691676>Picking the larger of 2 genocides because it saves the people you care about is irredeemable>killing your own mother isn't anyone who wouldn't start the rumbling to save their friends and family doesn't have a soul
Holy shit all those faggots talking about "dishonest writing" were actually right
>>287697281>he made Eren's pov correctno he did not he just made people simp for Eren
AOE soon!
Isayama's Muv Luv Fanfiction turned out to be 1000% more popular than the story he jacked his ideas from.
>90% of readers when the ending dropped>"This is a massive fucking cop out.">millions of animefags years later>"This is actually a great ending and you're just mad!">Isayama now>"Sorry, the ending was kind of a cop out because I didn't want to hurt my fans."Why do anime-onlyfags have such low standards? The vast majority of mangafags knew Isayama dropped the ball. Yet ever since the anime aired, it's not unpopular to criticize the incredibly contrived way in which the narrative sought to absolve Eren of accountability.
>>287697382he was literally correct and the story went out of its way to confirm it, which is a weird choice but whatever
>>287697426*now unpopular
So did Sissyama REALLY not intend all the EH subtleties?
>>287697321>anyone who wouldn't start the rumbling to save their friends and family doesn't have a soulThe annoying this is that realpolitik and MAD are based on this basic assumption. Would somebody destroy the entire world to save their homeland? Yes, yes they would, so you pursue a kind of game theory policy that makes that approach unavailable and forces people to create resolutions BEFORE any kind of situation can reach that point.Anyone in the seat of power works within the bounds of self-interest, not ideals. If you're making a story about genocide you can't have people operate on a idealistic basis alone, it's just retarded. Eren's viewpoint, from the perspective of every political thinker of the 20th century, was logically the "correct" one. It's not Eren's problem if his enemies crafted a scenario in which they logically guarantee their destruction.
>>287691676So it was basically the fans' fault?
It's just a retarded ending overall. The Attack Titan having memories that transcend time and space was stupid. Ymir and the worm were stupid. Eren retroactively taking responsibility for tons of shit including killing his own mother is stupid.I don't buy that he's redeemable.
>>287697433It did not work the story just ended
>>287691676At least GODholt fucked annie
>>287697557>>I don't buy that he's redeemable.Neither does Isayama but he still wrote it that way
>>287691676No joke but this is the single biggest crime an artist can commit. Dreadful stuff
>>287697794I agree. To me artists can get away with almost anything I don't care about their lives at all but the one thing I demand from them is honesty in their art. If they cannot provide that they are nothing more than a slave and they are a disgrace.
If he doesn't post a REAL final volume as a doujin work he's a coward and will never attain Freedom (tm)
>>287691676Hackyama is a complete retard to come up with an ending that "hurt the readers". His obsession with The Mist destroyed his own story. He doesn't under the difference between a short story with a shocking plot twist that can be finished within 2 hours vs decade long story with multiple plot points for a a dozen characters.
>>287695367No it literally stops being good at chapter 131 which is the best chapter in the entire series and truly horrifying. He literally cucked out right after in 132.>>287696274Unfortunately this did make sense and come from a place of sound logic. But it's still pussy shit because he still tried to commit, killed 85% of humanity, but then cucked himself literally at the end. It's the worst of all possible worlds.
>>287691676Where is this from? His osen?
>>287694158He was absolutely pressured into disgracing the character because fans were resonating too strongly with his actions. In a sea of pathetic male protagonists, Eren stood out like a sore thumb. Managing the perceptions of young men is one of the most important functions of the establishment.
>>287697463According to the Guide for Creators to Avoid Accountability, yes.
>>287698014Nah he wanted to wank Armin
>>287697448we already know YEH is the canonical plot, there's no need for anyone to "confirm" or "unconfirm" anything desu
>>287697794>>287697851its actually the oppositehe should've NEVER broken kayfabe
>>287691676His studio got pressured by the jews of Japan and he was forced by them to do this. Its always the jews
>SnKtards really believed non-canon music videos
Isayama:>A sense of insincerity Schizos:>My headcanon is redeemed
>>287697448
>>287701329>In a sea of pathetic male protagonists, Eren stood out like a sore thumb.AoT is a battle shonen, not a harem or a romcom. A truly pathetic protagonist is a rarity in battle shonen. Not even Deku truly qualifies
>>287703298t. non-Japanese attempts to interpret the subtleties of Japanese.
>>287691676So, who lost this time?
>>287703658>the subtleties of JapaneseThere are exceptions, but overall I've never seen a medium that fails at "show, don't tell" more than anime. It's something I had to build a tolerance for in order to enjoy.
>>287691676So, is he ever gonna do anything about the trash ending he made or is he just gonna keep whining about his fuck ups?
>>287691676He's probably not strictly lying but I'd bet a large sum he also got pressure from people above him to try and tone it down and he also wrote himself into a corner by making the rest of the world so irredeemably anti Eldian Eren's plan genuinely seems reasonable compared to any kind of peace.
I have a bone to pick with how he had Armin get with Annie
>>287706391I still don't know where he even got the idea for that, far as I remember those two barely interacted before Annie became a basement decoration piece.
>>287707586They had one interaction where Annie admired Armin's bravery, and also because Annie didn't kill Armin when she had the chance, which directly led to her being caught. That interaction was enough for shippers to ship, and Isayama was known to look at fan reactions.
>>287702642>we already know YEH is the canonical plot>>287703598Do we really though?
The more I think/learn about this series in retrospect, the more I wish it ended at Season 3 or went in a different direction than where it went.I'd even take something like "Oh this whole time AoT was a Resident Evil spinoff and the Titans are just more of Umbrella/HCF/Tricell's BS with an overly complicated setup for why Paradis is the fuckin' 1500s in the 1990s-2000s" or some shit.That aside, if Isayama wanted Eren to be a detestable douchenozzle by the end....idk, make the guy act more fucked up and unhinged before the timeskip? I got no clue, I ain't a writer.
>>287707727Ah, right, my bad, I sometimes forget how little shippers need to start shipping characters with all their beings.
>>287708097Honestly, same.>That aside, if Isayama wanted Eren to be a detestable douchenozzle by the end....idk, make the guy act more fucked up and unhinged before the timeskip?Funny that he basically did the opposite both pre and post time skip. Even making it a point that he was moving from his whole "dehumanizing his enemies and seeking to kill them brutally" mentality starting with Reiner and Bertholt after the Uprising arc.
>as long as there is le humanity there is le war
I'm convinced his original ending would have had Eren killing Mikasa
>>287691676I mean, we already knew that. Eren straight up said he was gonna kill everyone in his internal fucking monologue, and then a dozen chapters later it changed to "uh actually I always planned to only kill about 80% for my zero requiem plan"
>>287691676It took me some months to realize it, but this was obvious, he wrote himself into a corner. It was like he didn't know how to solve the character predicaments in a satisfactory way ( and how do you define what is satisfactory?) so he ended the manga the way he did. It's very telling how he fell into a period of depression, maybe in the future when the profits of his franchise decline he'll release another version. Wishful thinking I know.
>>287708982Would've been kino but the scarfed jew would've never let that happen. It's basically the plot of Lost Girls that eternity is a locked loop Mikasa has entrapped Eren in, who always tries and fails to escape by killing her.
>>287695404I had some bad feelings as early as the aquarium arc, but wrote them off.The handjob followed by Nayuta's death was when it became clear to me that Fujimoto didn't have a plan and was just desperately trying to cling to relevance with shocking moments and cliffhangers.
>>287697426>Why do anime-onlyfags have such low standards?They didn't care about the story, because if they cared about the story, they wouldn't be anime-only. They wouldn't sit there knowing that the story is complete, and wait years for it to be shown in a different medium.The animation was flashy, the voice actors gave good performances, and the music swelled at the right times. That's really all they came for.
>>287696274I stopped at the end of season 3 and I think I made the right choice.
>>287696757Killing in self defense is normal. Manga is cucking your brain.
>>287691676Mikasa and Levi fans would have doxxed and harassed him forever if they got bad endings
>>287699515>Including Mikasa turning on Eren randomly>Including Connie's DAHAHAHAHA>Including Magath and Keith suddenly choosing to commit suicide together for no reason.I shiggy diggy. I will concede, hanges pointless death, the titan suddenly flying, Eren's retcon motivations (inconsistent), Mikasa ending up with Jean, but still being hung up on Eren decades later, Eren deciding to trample fantasy Japan for no reason, instead of just Marley, Ymir being in love with King Fritz, who mistreats her people and her children. Were all much more retarded decisions that follow.
>>287710623Hanji dying and nobody even mentioning it was so bizarre. Erens motive still manages to be worse though and not even Mikasa seems to be happy still clinging to erenIf anything this manga convinced me even more being so selfless is bad
>>287708097>>287708733It's the same shit with the writers and The Boys show, they want you to hate Homelander and soldier boy but then their selfinserts are even worse with Kimiko brutally killing some poor security guards, and Starlight psychologically abusing Homelander when it's a guy with clearly mental problems
>>287710896>If anything this manga convinced me even more being so selfless is badBook I of Plato's republic argues whether this is so. It's not that long. Tell me if you agree with Thrasymachus
>>287710914I wonder if it was Yams cucking out (common at the time) or if Japanese mangaka are biologically predisposed to writing bad endings.
the big giant problem is nobody even began to come up with a viable solution to the Eldian problem. Zeke wanted to cuck out and roll over, the world wanted to genocide them then collect crystal shekels, and Eren wanted to genocide them back. This is with the fact that titans were becoming obsolete which yet another reason to genocide them and they only had a brief window for the threat of the rumbling. He literally created this dumb scenario where Eren is justified even if it's horrible
>>287710966I think Isayama was mad at Eren being more popular than his faves
I feel sort of bad for wanting to shit in Isayama's onsen as I realize now he's already filled it up himself
Turning around as not to look anon in the eye, as we both shit in Isayama's onsen
>>287691676fucking coward
>>287691676I never liked Attack on Titan because the Titans eating people made me think the mangaka had weird fetishes.
>>287691676Well yeah said he was looking at Twitter for ending ideas during the final chapters. So the ending, from a Twitter stans perspective, makes complete sense. EreMika confirmed, everybody lives, eren himself is a victim thus vindicated thus everybody can still love him.And yet despite all that a piece of Isayama’s old self couldn’t help himself and had Mikasa marry Jean.
>>287696757civilians often die when states war against one another, especially when the state of the war is existential (a mutual agreement that the winner will genocide the loser (i.e. Marley's views)). I had forgotten just how unnatural the ending was. Also couldn't he just have the titans walk around those Gypsies? he was literally controlling them. It'dve been easy.
>>287711317The entire ending feels like a bad dream, where noone has the ability to think logically, or to change their actions. It's completely dogshit. Anyone defending it should be marked and avoided.
>>287691676AoT is garbage anyway. That was clear in season 1. Who cares about the ending?
>>287697448EHfags lost and got farmed, thats the unchanged Isayama vision.
Historia is the most wasted character in fiction. I defy you to name someone who got shortchanged harder than she did.
>>287710952Thanks, will read it later. Though I'm talking from real experience, I saw it as a millennial who when we were kids we were told to be selfless and care about fucking every other thing over us, and now I'm seeing those suffering the consequences.>Noo don't have kids that's selfishI never understood this one, and I'm sad seeing all those women who fell for it. It's funny how the previous generations were told to be as selfish as possible and they are happier.I see selfless as some kind of self destruction. Don't get me wrong, being selfless like giving your own life for your kid is good, but the rest? Nobody wants to be like Eren, or even Mikasa. They lost too much just to please their enemies.
>>287693400Second worst chapter.
>>287711317It could’ve worked if moving the titan army was revealed to be a complete mind effort where he can just vaguely move them across the globe without being able to individually control each of them without slowing or stopping the whole thing .Hell, having Eren being able to just vaguely controll them without direct vision would’ve added on the limits and the tragedy of the rumbling:Even in the case Eren wanted to allow some scattered survivors to survive, the whole thing becomes too difficult to move and control , revealing even the partial rumbling would’ve been a failure .It would’ve made more sense and revealed what a massive Scam the power of the Founder titan actually was…
>Anons actually think this is real
>>287711499>>Noo don't have kids that's selfishWe're already seeing the fruit of this anti-natalist meme with the severe amount of Indian migrants in my community post covid. It's a little bitter.I think the main misery of millenials is being too ruled by feminine urges collectively. Zoomers are too self-conscious towards fake social norms (internet platform guidelines), I wonder how it will shape them.
>>287711630yeah, if Isayama took time off or put more effort in to make a consistent story, it would've been better. He flushed away his magnum opus.
>>287711670Anon, have you seen Isayama’s behavior online since the manga ended?>went silent>didn’t even thanked the readers at the end of the run>revealed contradictory shit like what happened to the wall titans>completely quit any single project, even the one he was planning with Sawano and Yuki >officially left the mediumAll of this doesn’t speak at all as the behavior of a mangaka who is genuinely happy about how his manga ended
>>287691676>>didn't have the guts to make Eren irredeemableSo let's make him kill 80% of humanity instead? What is he on about here?
>>287711670google reverse useless brat
>>287711768>>287691748
>>287711914Is that the conclusion Isayama wanted us to make? I interpreted that Eren having a guilt trip and stabbing at a juvenile idea to alleviate himself. I mean - this is the same person who told Pyxis that he didn't believe a common enemy would inspire unity. Not to mention - the epilogue depicted Paradis engaged in endless warfare.
>>287711670I accept your apologyhttps://x.com/TOS_hodo/status/2047616947001720901
>>287694158It looks increasingly likely that the publishing studio got the call and twisted Isayama's arm on the matter. His assistants were likely in on it as well and didn't have an issue sabotaging the story since they didn't fundamentally care about it like Isayama did. The ending we got was likely a collaborative effort between him and his assistants to give a more mellow ending that made Eren gay and retarded looking. Still, if isayama wasn't content with the ending he could have funded or at least shown some support to fan projects that tried to fix the ending or something to atone. Comments like OP show he definitely has remorse for how it ended in a veiled way. Hell, he could even just drop an alternate ending that is more true to what he wanted the ending to be at some point in the future and I think people would be willing to forgive him. I doubt they still let that happen though
>>287697090Floch's story is so great for the reason you said, but also we see a scared boy turn into a brave man. Armong was set to become the new Erwin but in reality it's Floch who accomplishes this. Seeing as how brave and forward thinking Erwin was; we see this later in Floch and now Armong who was a dipshit pussy who never felt strongly about anything until the end where his words no jitsu somehow win the day. I remember seeing a funny pic of a scenario where they saved Erwin instead of Armong and it's titan Eren riding on the back of Colossus Erwin leading the charge for the rumbling, wish I could find it now
>>287696128I'm still so mad he set up all this symbology within their relationship and then with the ending we got, it all amounts to nothing. It was all so kino and then in the end with just get Mikasa, a flat board of a character, becoming a necrophiliac and a bunch of nonsensical stuff after that
To see all the normalcattle celebrate the ending when the anime came out was so fucking funny. Literally zero critical thinking skills.
>>287696985If we wanted to show that genocide is le bad, he should have showed Eren winning, but then years later the Eldians would eventually turn on each other and the cycle of violence would just continue even though they are the same people. It would show that violence between humans is inevitable, and fundamentally be the same ending we got but much more meaningful I think. Instead we just got our psychotic ending where everything the cringevengers did was pointless anyways
>>287697426The psychology of your average animeslop watcher these days is basically that they start a series, if it's good enough for them to keep watching, they'll just cover for how shitty it is for a very long time due to sunk cost fallacy on their part. They aren't really thinking critically about what they are watching, just that it's the thing they do at the end of the day to unwind and get comfy. Saying that their show is bad is an attack on that idea, not an attack on the show for being a poor piece of art. Basically they are just slop enjoyers, they are the lowest of the low, and you really shouldn't waste your time going after them because they are just intellectually lazy >>287697448It was obvious YEH was the plot but isayama got lazy/threatened and ended the series with a shit ending + gave up before delivering in the thing he had been setting up for like 2/3rds of the story >>287697794This, I think the biggest insult from AOT is its crimes against art as a whole>>287710966Ya Japs are predisposed to writing shitty endings. They start series when they are young and edgy, then it takes to long to finish, they get older, and as a consequence of living in a clean and chill place like Japan, mellow out and thus give up on their edy series and give an unsatisfying ending. All to common
Eren lost, Jean won.
>>287691676Fucking faggot.
>>287691676The real problem isn't Eren's character. His contradictions make him a truly compelling tragic figure, much like Hamlet. The problem is everything that happens after his death, the fact that his friends still visit his grave and cherish his memory, the fact that this whole genocide turned out to be meaningless because peace didn't really last and titans will reappear. It's a purely nihilistic ending, it retroactively rejects everything that was established as meaningful.(Okay, maybe the Imir bullshit was sloppy now that I think about it)
>>287691676The spokon spinoff is better
>>287691676Eren, what a man you are.
>>287713035And then they wonder why manga sales are falling, who the fuck wants to be invested in manga where the writer will cuck the character hard?
>>287695367That was the last interesting moment but it was already pretty bad before that, especially everything involving the Gabi sideplot.
>>287691676Eren is a deeply flawed human being. Why is it so hard to comprehend?
Nobody would have the balls to argue the Eldians aren’t justified in genociding the world right back if they weren’t given vaguely Germanic names.The reception of the ending is a testament to the social engineering of our world
>>287712896I think that was the original vision but then he saw Avengers and wanted his own heroes against a powerful enemy story.
>>287711695It's honestly funny how much Yams clearly regrets his ending, yet normalfags will still claim it's a perfect end and Yams' true, flawless vision and the haters are just idiots and assholes.
>>287713417Deeply flaved=\= going completely out of characterGoing from “i know the people outside the walls are mostly innocent but i have no other way to protect our country from genocide “ to “ACKSHUALLY I REALLY REALLY WANTED TO KILL EVERYONE AND BANG MIKASA,ME LE ANGRY SAD KEK I CANNOT HAVE SEX WITH MIKASA REEE ALSO KILLED MY MUM” is the problem.He isn’t being a “Flawed character”It is going in a complete character derailment, alongside many many writing things in the final arc.Why you ending defenders cannot understand it?!
>>287714489> just idiots and assholes.*incel and nazis*
>>287714542>Defending yourself is wrong
>>287712878The truly funny thing is , for how hyped and glorified the anime ending was considered by them…..Everyone simply stopped talking about SnK right after.Like , there is barely any discussion about it.Meanwhile anime that truly got “masterpieces” endings like FMA are very frequently referenced and part of the discussion.Instead once SnK ending the normalfags barely remember it now.
>>287714743No, i was saying that the main insults is not “if you dislike it you are an asshole”, but that everyone who is against the ending is labelled as an incel or a nazi.Which is by far a worse deed than calling everyone idiots and assholes.
>>287712896if he wanted to show that genocide was bad and commit to Eren being "detestable", he shouldn't have made it so the entire world wanted Paradis dead but rather Eren wanting the whole world dead for irrational reasons and psychopath/schizo justifications when he really just hates that people exist beyond ParadisThat should've been a bigger focus outside of a single flashback. Eren basically having a temper tantrum over people just existing at all when he had this image of the world in his head for years of an uncharted blank slate. And now that he's finally reached the ocean all he can think about is how it's pointless cuz people other than him beyond the sea are seeing said sea. That he wants to destroy the world cuz the very existence of people outside Paradis is fucking with the one bit of childish whimsy he had and he's basically not the first person in forever to play with a damn "unknown" toy.
EH was realI wish that Requirem fan rewrite was shorter/better they had the right idea
>>287715626Which all of this is contradictory and make no sense within the eren that we got during the manga.Even during Marley arc the reader could tell he was not angry and feeling vengeaful toward the outside of the world. Too many times he displayed actual empathy toward people different from him and his friends.All of this “eren is a psycho and want everyone dead for selfish reasons” clashes very hard with his characterization across the manga and his development during uprising arcYou can’t tell me the guy who realized “we are special because ee were born into this world” , that displayed empathy to a crippled titan after witnessing his father’s memories and that was literally begging forgiveness to Ramzey that he was actually the super evil guy tht really really really wanted the giga murder happening for his personal pleasure.I really dislike all of this contradictory characterization for eren in the last 10 chapters even more than the whole Mikasa fiasco
>>287714542Yeah, that too.
>>287691676NO I DON'T WANT THAT still lives rent free inside my head and I hate it
I had no horse in the race but I'm glad that the people who called it that he pussied out were validated
>>287707727It's funny because Armin was actually the one that initially ratted her out and was pushing a reluctant Eren to go kick her ass. That scene where he's staring at her crystal going "Help us Annie, you're our only hope!" was so cringey, like where the fuck did that come from? The author was really hoping people would just forget everything that came before.
>>287721277It's basically the opposite reason for the actual pussying out than people thought though right? Personally I was really creeped out that he seemed to build the case every chapter that there was no choice but to nuke 'em all because all those insane foreigners hate japan I mean they hate madagascar so much. So internet nazis take that at face value and say Eren should kill 'em all. Whereas sane people say why did he write his fake world such that nuking the world was basically the only choice, then walk it back?
>>287721371>Whereas sane people say why did he write his fake world such that nuking the world was basically the only choice, then walk it back?Rather than walking it back, I think it's just poor writing and rushing to the end due to burnout. He wanted to make a scenario for the rumbling where Eren wasn't evil but basically cornered into it and overdid it. And at the same time I think he had long since planned for Armin to be some kind of hero at the end since his whole thing is that he's so smart and can always find another solution (not saying this is executed well, but that's how he's portrayed), hence the whole serumbowl thing and "armin is going to save the world!!!" but the situation was so fucked up the only way for the alliance to succeed was with asspulls. None of the world politics in this thing make any sense and it's all explained with infodumps during flashbacks.
>>287721371The point was that every single solution presented to eren involved to sacrifice something he cared and/or just prey it actually worksPartial rumbling:>the founder titan is still passed>Marley and his allies still get rumbled>historia and her family will still get to be sacrificed since a royal titan is still requiredZeke plan>the same but they all get euthanized and sterilized instead of just praying the plan works>still partially rumble Marley and kill a shiton of people>historia still get sacrificed since they would still need a royal titan as deterrent, either her or the baby would have to stay as a titan until the last eldian with the founder is alive It wasn’t just that Eren didn’t trusted the whole world , it was also a matter that every single “solution” presented to him was just bad and clashed with him, his “we are special because we were born into this world” worldview he matured in Uprising arc and the safety of people close to him.I loathe him being retconned into “HUR I ACTUALLY REALLY REALLY WISHED TO KILL THEM ALL BECAUSE I’M LE EVIL BAD PSYCHO” for this reason.He got stripped from all the resonable reasons that made him a tragic character.Yes a global genocide is bad, is scary and evil….but the interesting part was Eren struggling between choosing between it or sarcifing what mattered to him.That should’ve been the main focus of the conflict.Not “genocide le bad mkay!” Like a bunch of screaming kids, but “it is right to sacrifice the whole world for flew? Or we should just sacrifice ourselves for the many? Who are we to choose? It is right or wrong?”.Isayama fucked up this
>>287691676Eren literally was never an asshole, he was left with NO CHOICE and isayama made it clear multiple times in the story that they were out of options, I really don't get the cuck copeout
>>287714489>>287711695Why doesn't isayama just rewrite and redraw the ending?
>>287723903Isayama is a multimillionaire who never has to work again in his life, the majority of readers liked the ending and normalfags think it's a masterpiece, and the series is still printing money in Japan with character merch. He's always acted self-conscious and insecure about his work, the idea that he deeply regrets the ending or got forced by editors or whatever to abandon the "real" ending is just fantasy headcanon by /a/nons and reddit. He's not re-writing shit. Remember this is the guy who said years ago that the best part of being a mangaka was making tons of money.
>>287696274Eren was always a psycho, he killed two men in cold blood as a little kid and was always obsessed with revenge. Him turning into a mass murderer against who he considered his oppressors was a natural progression of his character and he stayed consistent until Isayama cucked out with the retarded Ymir timetraveling shit and Eren not knowing wtf he was doing. I don't even care if he won or lost, he should have stayed true to his ideals to the end, because he was always like that through the whole manga.
All Isayama had to do was change Ymir's motivation to end the titan curse. She could've seen Mikasa kill the man she loved after he'd gone past the point of redemption, and used that as inspiration to stop obeying Fritz and his descendents. That was the single most pants-on-head-retarded part of the ending.
he really did a bad job of making Eren the bad guy
>>287724626> was always obsessed with revenge.AnonThe whole fucking point of Marley arc was that Eren felt no grudge against humanity for what happened and realized that the people across the world were innocent victims just as much as him and his friends were.He simply realized that he had no other ways and was either genocide or be genocided.It was literally the point of Marley arc and his meeting with Reiner.It was so kino SPECIFICALLY because Eren was not vengeaful or a psycho, just a depressed man ready to do unspeakable things to save the flew things he cared.
>>287723903Anon.I don’t think an author is allowed to change much of his own work, especially if the take would be considered too drastic or divisive.And even in the case he would want to do that, as long he has contractual obligations with the publishers (and moral obligation to the fandom) , he is not even allowed to talk ill to his own works.It would mean either admitting he fucked up, or that the publishers forced him.In both cases it would be a lose-lose situation for everyone involved.If isayama truly dislikes the ending too and might want to rework it , it might only happen in a very distant future…and only if he ever feels like any hope ,passion or interest in it.
>>287691676Still a better ending than JJK (half of the storylines were abandoned), KnY (nothing happened), CSM (by the time it ended nobody cared anymore) and Evangelion (get in the cagie wagie)
>>287714526>reee why was he evilWhy did you expect him not to be? The story literally treated him as Hitler and you cheered. And then when he actually was Hitler in the end you stopped cheering for some reason.The only problem with the ending is that his friends didn't condemn his enough. But he saved their lives so it's understandable
>>287723764>Eren literally was never an assholeEh, I wouldn't say he wasn't an asshole, he certainly had his moments, but he still never really came across as someone that hurt others just because he felt like it, for the most part when he attacked someone, be it physically or verbally, he did it because they were doing or saying something he felt was wrong (bullies picking on Armin, Hannes and the Garrison lazing around) and his actions and words were usually at the level of the "wrongdoing" (bullies beat up Armin=he (tries) to beat them up, traffickers kill a child's parents=he kills them).Honestly he always felt more like someone that had certain values and beliefs and he believed very strongly in, and was willing to do what was necessary to follow them, even as he matured and realized the naivety and wrongs of some of his beliefs and actions (which started around the time the Uprising arc was ending and he was hesitant when asked about his intentions for Reiner and Bert).
Sasha
>>287725715> The story literally treated him as Hitler and you cheeredI like how you completely missed the part where HE HAD NO OTHER CHOICE!The whole world was going to genocide him and his island.They had no ither solution left without involving sacrifices he did not want to allow (historia ).My problem is that all of his actual reasons were reduced to “REEE I ALWAYS WANTED TO KILL EVERYONE AND FUCK MIKASA” when none of that was the reason.He was a tragic man desperated enough and without any other way to save his island left.This is what i dislike about the ending alongside the many many asspulls happened in the last 20 chapters, how all the important and human reasons for eren go start the rumbling, how all the important and tragic stuff was glossed over for “actually he was the evil incel all along and GENOCIDE LE BAD MKAY”.That what disgust meEven in the case he got stopped (maybe in a less bullshit way), as long the actual part of the character were kept instead of him going full retard, i would’ve been okay with it.Instead his whole character , his whole personality and his whole development across uprising arc ,RtS and marley hot gutted in favor of “meh evil meh pathetic mhe fuck mikasa”
>>287726469>My problem is that all of his actual reasons were reduced to “REEE I ALWAYS WANTED TO KILL EVERYONE AND FUCK MIKASA” when none of that was the reason.So you're just crying about the cuck scene because your fuarking hero looked pathetic in it? Yeah he did look pathetic. Doesn't really change the story though, his options were still shit and he chose the least shit one from his point of view. And no point did he say "ree I want to kill everyone" btw, you're only including it because complaining about the cuckery alone would be too sad
>>287691676My issues was not him being good or bad, irredeemable or redeemable, I want consistent motivations and actions.Why did Eren do the rumble? What did it accomplish if everyone is gonna get bombed on the future and he knew he was gonna be stopped. Make it so he knew the only way out for them was to kill everyone else, thats actual real conflict and not this wishy washy bullshit.
>ending defenders are a thing nowI've been ignoring SNK threads ever since the ending happened, and now I have even more reason to do so. Disgusting.
>>287726538Because he had no reason for that stupid burst.You know what would’ve made sense?>Armin, i truly cannot do it anymore>the rumbling, all of this, none of it should’ve ever happened.>I WANTED TO BE STOPPED ARMIN>MILIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE JUST LIKE MY MUM WAS ,Armin>WE HAD LITERALLY NO CHOICE…BUT I TRULY COULD NOT CONTINUE ITthat’s a pathetic outburst that would’ve made sense and be coherent with Eren.The same guy who always displayed care and humanity for others.Him crying for not banging mikasa was just jarring and stupid, especially by being detached on the actual tragedy that was consuming right then (A FUCKING MULTI GENOCIDE!)but of course you retarded ending defenders liked it.I bet you motherfuckers even love JJK MODULO and all that disgusting shit.Go back on reddit , X or whatever piece of crap you are from…You disgusting piece of shit!
>>287726655>nowOh, anon, you did well in avoiding the threads...
>>287726661>Because he had no reason for that stupid burst.He was about to die and he didn't want to. If this was a cute girl breaking down and opening up everyone would go awwww what a great touching moment. But because it's a man everyone must clown on him since men are not supposed to ever show any weakness apparently. >Him crying for not banging mikasa was just jarring and stupidHe didn't say that, he said he didn't want to be forgotten by a girl he loves. Which is apparently an unforgivable moment of weakness because men are not supposed to have feelings I guess. Again, if this was Mikasa saying she doesn't want to be forgotten by Eren, you'd go awwwww
>>287726655The ending is just one more retarded plot twist in a series devoted to retarded plot twists. If you don't like retarded plot twists, how did you make it to the end? People are only upset about it because Eren looks pathetic and their egos are tied to Eren looking cool, they think Eren reps them
I lost track of how many final seasons of the anime there were.
>>287709234I don't think you can say anime-onlys care about anything relating to the production either considering how hideous and lifeless the MAPPA seasons are and how many of them praise the production of those final seasons these days.
>>287727521Have you seen what the manga looks like? You're not the one to talk hereI started SnK back in the day when it was just a manga but once the anime was out there was no way I was going back to deciphering those sameface scribbles
>>287697426>>287709234>>287713035>>287695367A couple of years ago, I watched the anime with some normalfags who had only watched 1 or 2 anime. We ultimately dropped the anime during the time travel flashbacks. I would've pushed them to get to the start of the Rumbling, but I was surprised to see that they were done before it even started and felt like the story was going off the rails.What was eye-opening to me was that the translations of Eren's dialogue in the anime were MUCH harsher than Eren's translated dialogue in the manga. I distinctly remember Chapter 99 ending with Eren saying "I keep moving forward, until my enemies are destroyed." but the anime's official subs use language like "I keep moving forward to exterminate my enemies." I think the stark contrast of Eren turning evil with such blatant language was what threw them all off. I think the manga translations (maybe this is a fault of fan translations vs official ones) were much softer on Eren and kept him framed as a heroic character, whereas this watching of the anime with official subs felt like the translated dialogue was pushing a narrative that Eren is evil outright. The result is that more people were willing to cheer for Eren and follow his logic of why the rumbling needs to happen whereas they kind of turn him into a villainous caricature in the anime. I think my normalfag friends grew to hate it because we marathoned the whole story in roughly 2 months, compare that to someone who's been invested in the anime for 5+ years to a decade if they actually watched S1 when it first came out. Frog in pot kind of thing.
>>287696274Why did he go out of his way to morally justify the rumbling if he wanted everyone to see Eren as the bad guy?
I love Mikasa!>>287691676I don't think any of this is new, he said as much in the couple of years following the ending.
>>287722282>>287722259maybe he'll finally make the followup video with this
>>287726469>I like how you completely missed the part where HE HAD NO OTHER CHOICE!don't forget that Isayama retardedly added a time travel element to the story where not only is there one character with godlike powers that remove all agency from the other Eldian characters, but said godlike character is also trapped in a retarded modal collapse where he has no free will and has to end the story exactly the way the author arbitrarily decided because he just has to.
>>287726655>>ending defenders are a thing nowUnfortunately they have been around for a good while now, especially after the anime finally got around to adapting the ending and ""fixing"" it.
>>287725961S1 and S2 had such a great artsyle
>>287724417>the majority of readers liked the ending and normalfags think it's a masterpiecehahaha
>>287731069>fix the most awkward line in the story between Eren and Armin>does nothing to address everyone else's flashbacks being "damn Eren you are SO COOL you only genocided 80% of the world so we could become badasses?"
>>287731517Not sustainable. Much like Eren’s plan…
>>287731517https://youtu.be/GLonOzqYpxw?si=B0Ez19Az8xVbADjM
>>287691676Attack on Titan has dishonest writing. The creator himself is saying this.
>>2876916765 years and this author is still too chickenshit to start something new
>>287691676Isayama's biggest issue regarding the morality of The Rumbling is that he kept writing the setting to be one that made The Rumbling appear to be genuinely logical and justified, even if it was tragic. He made the entire world want the Eldians genocided for unjust reasons and of the same character as any hypothetical genocidal Eldians in the future. There was even a non-genocidal solution already, the circumstances at the start of the manga, and even that wasn't good enough for Marley and eventually the entire outside world. Even the sole country still dealing with Paradis was only motivated by political gain, not justice.If Eren was to be irredeemable, the setting was one in which even such an Eren would be nonetheless committing the deeds of a sympathetic, reasonable Eren. Isayama then messed everything up after The Rumbling to boot.
>>287732871The worldbuilding was lazy and he went out of his way to explain that Marley, the country we witness the plight of the Eldian diaspora the most in, is the kindest country to Eldians.He even had the tools to make an interesting final arc where it's an open idealogical conflict between Eren and Armin where Eren wants to rumble the world and rip the bandaid off, while Armin wants to do the 40-year-plan and is fine with sacrificing Historia and her children if it means avoiding a mass genocide on either side. But nooooo we have to make Eren's motives a fucking mysterybox and Armin has to be a fucking, indecisive retard for the remainder of his sorry life to remind everyone that the wrong person won Serumbowl.
>>287691676I quit AOT halfway through season 4 because it was boring me to death, every new plot twist was retarded and the show just completely lost the mystique and tension that made it enjoyable before. And this was right after the end of the season 3 battle which was some of the greatest shit I've seen in anime. I cant think of a single series that falls off that quickly and dramatically. So Eren commits global genocide but in the end it was for muh friends to unite against him and be the good guys? yeah, sounds pretty fucking weak.
>>287733030it's another story that fails to survive it's genre-change in the final arc. It happens all the time.
>>287691676so the truth comes out
>>287732612he should write a decent ending first
>>287691748>>287711768>>287732479Isayama couldn't decide if he wanted eren to become lelouch or a genocidal maniac who succeeded so we ended up with the worst of both worlds - a genocidal maniac who for some reason was wanked by those who previously tried to stop him as some kind of savior of the world.
>>287697448he is just really good at writing close friendships but incredibly dogshit at romance. So EH looks better than EM, even if 2nd was the intended pairing.
>have a hot badass intensely loyal killer bodyguard sister-wife since childhood>never ever fuck her because intense autismI would also commit global genocide
How does not making Eren be an irredeemable scumbag relate to him writing Historia having sex and forming a family with her childhood bully? Or Ymir falling in love with her rapist?
EMsisters...our pandering killed the ending..Looking back now, the EHchads were right
>>287733328>Ymir falling in love with her rapistthat's just basic foid nature 101
>>287727336Anon, he was going to die across the story many many times and crying for mikasa was never a single time the reason of his sadness during these times.During Clash begore he unlocked the founder?He was sad at being powerless and everyone dying (hannes especially) because of himUprising arc?HE WAS LITERALLY BEGGING HISTORIA TO KILL HIM BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING,HE WAS LITERALLY READY TO DIE FOR SOMEONE ELSE’s FAULTS AND NEVER A SECOND HE SAID “AAH HISTORIA IF ONLY I COULD HAVE SEX WITH MIKASA!PLEASE KILL ME”Ttere were situations where he could’ve literally died and not having sex with mikasa or her forgetting him (impossible, even in case they didn’t lose each others she would still be his sister) was not a thing…NOT A SINGLE TIME!Not a single time that shit happened but in the very last chapterIt was forced anon, there was no precedent for it and isayama just added it for the sake of the finale.Just accept it for fuck sake!
>>287697426Animefags are not sentient in their thoughts, unironically. They refuse to accept anything to the contrary to their experience. Even if the author comes out with a plaque statement vindicating the critics, years later, they refuse to admit that the others were right and they were wrong all along. Psychosis in its purest.
>>287728669Anon, again.Its not a matter of language or heroism.People can delude themselves with “hur eren had so many options, he was just evil and wanted to exterminate everyone because he was evil” all they want, but continuing missing the big wall titan in the room.What else he could do?!All the “solutions” involved him sacrificing people dear to him, and one was literally just a self suicide.Both clashed with his own person and the whole “we are special because we were born into this world”Every peaceful solution not involving the rumbling failed.The point of Marley arc was that there was no other way anymore, the whole world declared war and genocide against the island.Some for fearSome for hatredSome for economical and warfare advantage (either stealing the founder titan or mining down the iceburst stone)Some because they were weak countries and could just tag with the strongest ones in order to gain advanatage.None in the world was ready yo advocate for the paradisians, even the not-japanese were there nust for the iceburst stone…and even these guys were ready to use the partial rumbling to cripple other nations for their own gain.Eren was literally desperated and had no other choice left.
>>287733557You're missing the point. The translations are clearly different in tone and intent.
>>287733595Anon.The point is that regardless of the tones or the direct words.The truth is that Eren had no other ways aroundIt is literally the reason why he burst into crying at Ramzey during 130 in the liberio flashback (see >>287724814)Its not a matter if eren looks heroic or savage.Regardless of the words he chooses and if he display empathy or not with them…eren still was left with no other solutions.Any peace was going to fail.The solutions presented to him were horrifying and involved to sacrifice people he was not ready to sacrifice.The whole world was going to exterminate them and still would’ve hated them.Of course it sucks for the innocent people across the globe that were powerless and had no direct involvement with the war, or the very unlucky tribes that had nothing to do with Eldians…but by then there is nothing eren could do for them.It was either kill or be killed, without knowing were these people are located and how to keep them alive while storming everyone else.. the only solution he could archive is a complete global genovide without dinstinctions or exceptions.It wasn’t a matter of being heroic or evil, it was that eren was legt with no choice. People were not cheering at him because “YAS KILL ALL THESE GLOBOHOMO,NAZI FOR THE WIN”, but “damn this is horrifying but the story is really deep and showed what a cruel and bad thing Eren must do to save the people he cares about…that’s actually deep and interesting”Learn the differences.Even if you don’t agree with Eren or find his words too aggressive and evil…the fact is that it was the sole solution eren could’ve accepted because of his character journey
>>287691791he was a slave to freedom
>>287691676>Gives a half assed apology/explanation why he tanked his own series>Has the gall to doodle a little Cuckasa at the bottomFuck this Armong self inserting faggot. Everyone knew he chickened out of the actual ending
>>287691811Very much agreed .
>>287691676my favourite thing is mikasa has to "let go" of her love for eren to free ymir, but she doesn't throw away the scarf. wears it in her casket, and it is in fact wrapped back around her by a genoicdal maniac in his bird form.
>>287733858And she literally is burried with it ..in the same place where eren was supposed to be burried.Way of developing your character and having her growing up her childish and toxic crush over ere…am i right?She is literally Sakura Haruno all over again, she just got cooler scenes instead of simply being a weak simp for the whole manga
>>287691676Is this it? Will this finally end the discussion on why did Isayama suddenly turn the series on it's head? Not because of muh jews telling him to shut it down to quell a nationalistic uprising, but because he simply chickened out of making Eren a villian and creating a bad ending.
>>287733858>>287733909I think Mikasa is one of the strongest example of a character peaking in the first part of the story and progressively getting worse afterwards. She was actually kinda okay at her babysitter role, but even that trait was lost as the things went on.
>>287734000Except we got the bad ending, the worst ending he could have written
>>287734086I mean it in a sense where people die and the world ends, not really quality-wise.
I'm fine with the ending but I still think the ymir/mikasa twist was dumb and I've yet to see any wheel reasoned explanation for why it's actually good.
>>287734111Anon.You are fine with the characters losing their development and personalities because “genocide bad mkay” and the gallore of asspulls following it (Falco magically flying and serving just as flying carpet, the very forced Annie cannot fight anymore just so she can return , the worm etc..) that apparently were required to conclude the story?
>>287734132Umm yes I'm not nitpicky over that unimportant stuff like how dare falco be able to fly and I've thought about erens character enough that him being a confused mess is okay with me. The way the alliance was handled was not great, but I think it's understandable to come together to fight against most of the world being killed off.
>>287734180>eren losing all his character development from the previous arcs is okay because he is a mess>mikasa never growing up as a character and being still obsessed is okay>Falco magically turning into a flying titan in an unimportant asspull>everyone being ready to let their own home getting destroyed and genocided is okay>characters losing IQ and acting like literal idiots is okay>eren losing all the actual motivations and getting reduced into a mumbling strawman is okay>the quality of the writing and drawing sunking down in the final arc is okay>the whole stuff with the worm and the sthockholm syndrome never foreshadowed before is okayAnon, i can kinda understand it on a personal level.But even on a subjective analysis of the plot , if you actually dig beyond surface level compression you will realize how hard the dip in quality the last 20 chapters are compared to the rest of the manga…
SnK ended when they got to the basement. Nobody cares about the politics or time travel shit. The royal blood/coordinate/gigantification jab were already shit boring plot points nobody cared about
>>287733909its funny because the answer was already done in the story, she wraps his head in the scarf and he could have been buried with it
When Eren told Armin that he only loves Annie because Bertold was inside him, that was brutal.
>>287729314I mean, ironically, that could have worked if that godlike powers-up character had actually ALWAYS BEEN THE PARASITE MANIPULATING EREN, ZEKE, AND THE FRITZ-REISE FAMILY BY PRETENDING TO BE YMIR. If you wanted to copy Muv Luv, at least do it right. Make it feel like it was the parasite who ruined Eren's life. But of course, that would imply that those who said Ymir sold her soul to the devil were right to some extent.
>>287733327>>287733328It's quite funny how 80% of the complaints surrounding the ending of Attack on Titan, after all of Isayama's nonsense about natalism, are about Eren NOT GETTING THIS with either of the girls in his series, even though it was perfectly justified from a story perspective.
>>287734592> even though it was perfectly justified from a story perspectiveHow so?
>>287734665Mikasa wanted to fuck with Eren in the cabin dimension (just look at the scene where Eren is fishing). And of course, Historia wanted someone to get her pregnant so she wouldn't have to become a Titan, and Eren could have been the father more to have offspring, knowing he would soon die, than because he had completely clear romantic feelings for Historia. Therefore, Eren could have slept with both girls the way Takayuki and Takeru did in Kiminozo/Muv Luv.
>>287697426Because Mangafags are more interested in the series while animefags are full of casual viewers.For anime-only, it's just another popular series that they watch.
I watched ten episodes of this anime 13 years ago. Is it actually good? I heard it's a muvluv ripoff.
>>287735712it was good when it was a muvluv rip off.
>>287691676SnK "if" can fix that.
>>287691676Only when he commits seppuku will I forgive him.
>>287691676Fucking everything up on the last chapters of a great manga isn't uncommon, but the author admiting it is ultra rare. Couldn't him draw some sketches and write the desired end on MS Paint and publish?
>>287735967>on the last chapterI would say to fix the ending it would be required to fix at least the last 20 chapter, even some things earlier to make sure to completely fix everything and make an actual masterpiece.
>>287691811"Medieval zombie apocalypse but with giants" I like this ideia, but how could the ending of this be? They would kill all the giants, sit on the wall looking at the sun rising on the horizon and say "they are all dead, it's over... we attacked on titans"?
>>287736032maybe giants started evolving and there's a king, maybe there's a "queen ant" type of enemy, some magic given the medieval theme idk. But keep it shoneny instead of going the political route
>>287736032Sorry for that, I'm tripping
>>287736052> But keep it shoneny instead of going the political routeAnon, even the early arcs had politics in it.The three divisions of the armyThe nobles inside the inner gatesThe reaction around Eren’s powers and how the Garrison was so adamant in getting his hands on him early onPixis and the old noble during Trost.He failed in the end, but the political part of SnK was always in the scoope of the story.Without it you get shit like happened in JJK after shibuya
>>287736107But that's pop politics, that's like saying game of thrones has politics in it. There's a difference between it being a plot device or the main focus of the story.
Tetsurō Araki left for a reason
I think the AoT scenario should be analyzed by serious military experts. What if the Rumbling were to happen today somewhere in the world?What would be the reaction to a monstrous threat about which nothing is known, yet immediate action is required?The best option would, of course, be to strike the location from which the Titans emerge with hydrogen bombs before they spread; the casualties would be high, but that would likely be the least evil. But the thing is, there would only be a few hours to launch the warheads. Would a quick decision be made to eliminate the threat, or would debates, research, and investigations begin while the bastards spread further and further across the globe?Later, we’d have to fight them conventionally, and here’s the question: to what extent could the nations’ armies coordinate and mobilize?We’ve already seen with COVID how the world operates in the face of an incomparably smaller threat....
>>287733686Honestly, it's funny how Yams' tried to make a 'Genocide Bad' story yet went out of his way to make genocide look like the only possible solution the main characters had in order to fucking survive.Even more considering he gave himself some ways to actually give the characters other options, like the volunteers and their anti-Marley countries, the whole 'Marley has many enemies' thing, etc. Yet neglected them entirely in favor of making things as hopeless for Paradis as possible.
>>287703642Tsuna does though
