War arcs were the worst fucking thing to happen to this genre.They've set the expectation that the absolutely bloated cast will eventually get "their moment" in the last arc, so people now ignore how useless 90% of the characters introduced are for most of the series.Now writers can just do a big war arc and pretend that was the big pay-off for all of these useless characters.>l-look, they beat some generic mook that only exists to give them someone to fight, so they contributed to the story!
I can't believe Oda thought giving Akainu his big moment beating a jobber like Ace would satisfy us.
>>287700826Have you considered reading a genre besides one meant for 13 year olds?
>>287700826The answer to this problem is to stop reading shounenshit as a grown man.
>>287700826>shonen for underages with poor character development bezause it's boring for typical teenager>then complaining about some characters are "only to fight once">no knowing that this arc that is often really good, but in good anime, not such a cartoons>reddit spacing
>>287701114>>287701277>>287701429>moooom I'm 15 now I only read MATURE mangaok sweatie you don't need to keep saying it
>>287700826The “War” in MHA lasted like three episodes because 90% of the Liberation Army was wiped out in the same “battle” Midnight died. Nothing burger. Joke faction
>>287700826Marineford was great though?
>>287701114>>287701277>>287701429Target audience has no effect on the writing.
>>287700826Marineford made sense. Most of the guys there are complete randos, to sell the idea that Luffy is completely out of his depth against the average New World pirates and Vice Admiral+ marines, but persists anyway as the stakes are personal. The only issue with Marineford is what Oda lessons took from its popularity; nearly every subsequent arc is filled with random fodder characters designed to have one-page (or panel) clashes with the bloated crew belonging to the villain of the week. Does anyone actually remember half of the guys working for Doflamingo or Kaido? Does anyone actually remember half of the Grand Fleet characters or the Wano NPCs? WCI was the best Post-TS arc because it actually focused on members of the main cast, instead of trying to give every side character and their mom a “moment.” Jinbe has done literally nothing since joining besides look concerned in the background.
>>287701683what lessons Oda took*Anyway, Marineford was cool as an outlier, and not an arc template for the next 15 years.
>>287700826True, Gintama was almost ruined thanks to a poorly made war arc, that probably the magazine wanted to happen. sorachi somewhat fixed it with a random rushed timeskip.the thing is, the characters in Gintama are well-written, tha arc was weaker because it has random drama moments and a bunch of fights. thats the problem with the other shonen: bad characters+drama attempts+unnecesary fights(+bad pacing). bnha was literally that, i didnt care about any of those shitty characters; deku is a loser without personality and bakugo lacks development. you can create a well-made war arc, but you need to be a good writer and battle shonen with a fight every chapter arent good writers.
>>287700826You already made this thread.
>>287700826This is the first time I'm hearing of "war arc" as a expected and discussed shonen trend
>>287701848Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, MHA, and JJK all had then
Based.Yet another reason why Dragon Ball is the GOAT.
>>287700826Bot thread.
>>287701885JJK did not have it though?
>>287701616It really does. The Hungry Caterpillar has worse writing than Dune because it’s written for babies. It the writing was good, babies wouldn’t understand it.
>>287704348The writing isn't worse, it's geared towards a different audience.It affects HOW a story is written, not the quality.
The problem with a war arc is that the author is effectively saying explicitly "we're having a political arc now", politics is now at the forefront of the story.Except a lot of shonen titles are poorly thought out in a way where the authors don't really understand the political dimensions of the setting they've created. So when they foreground it, they can't metabolise the internal failstates that would even necessitate a war without breaking the story and rarely give lateral though to the implications and cost of war itself.Probably one of the few titles to get war right is JJK Modulo. The aliens pick a fight out of existential anxiety and cultural friction but have no real incentive to grinder themselves either, meaning it's relatively trivial for Yuji and Maru to offramp and the only real sticking point is face saving (something that's covered to some extent by Maru and Cross explicitly expending political capital)
>>287704348twilight is poorly-written, bluey is well-written
>>287700826From what I remember World Trigger had a really solid war arc. There was plenty of storylines that all neatly and satisfyingly got resolved.
>>287700826>how useless 90% of the characters introduced are for most of the series I guarantee you’re looking at this through the lens of a brownoid versus battler
>>287700826but everyone loves war arcs, except for yugioh.
>>287700826That's generally true, but Kagurabachi is achieving success with its War ArcWe should learn from this, it seems that “War Arc as a flashback” is the way to go
I was going to say they're better than tournament arcs, but they're basically the same thing.Shitty structure so authors don't have to think much about what to write story-wise.
>>287706122War arcs are nothing like tournament arcs.
>>287700826A war arc isn't too different from reading a 4chan thread.
>>287701683It's a bit messy to me. See alabasta and now elfbaf for how smaller focused wars go, there's something missing when you have a core 15~ or so characters, when you've got a civil war/entire nation under threat. There was like 2 characters to represent the rebels in alalbasta, the old man for civvies and the royal guard had like 6 characters.Wano went too far, but not far enough, so it's bloated cast felt fucking wasted and pointless.He doesn't yet know how to balance hundreds of characters during a massive fucking war, and we're headed into WW3, he's either going to go back to marineford style and just show characters clash, then aftermath or going to have to commit to months of no SHs being seen.
