I started watching this and the standalone episodes are unbearable. They try to be profound but fail; the structure is always the same: conflict appears -> the conflict has to do with future technology -> ends. The idea is for the viewer to think about what they've seen, but the episode has almost zero substance and the presentation of the problem isn't interesting. Man who creates AI that makes money -> the thief is arrested -> the one who made the AI was dead -> you think, oh of course, capitalism! The AI keeps making money, how profound!On top of that, the animation has aged terribly, I avoided it for years because of that, and it's worse than I expected. Did anyone like the standalone episodes?
when people say "Thought terminating cliche" you are the strawman they imagine
>>287713845Bebop had a couple of episodes like that, but it has better characters and better animation.
>>287713861There are works that leave narratives open, and that's fine, but here it's vague. The ideas are extremely basic with little philosophical weight (or whatever it's trying to be), with little time and mostly just action for the sake of it (she could have used the gun several times). It's not necessarily bad, but it doesn't contribute anything; it's what a casual would think is adult fiction.
>>287713845There's some great standalone episodes. There's some that aren't particularly special. But there's usually good character stuff in all of them. The money-making AI one was all about developing Togusa's character so you care more about what happens later in the series with him. Also some good Batou stuff. If you're too hung up on whatever the plot is, you miss out on the real stuff.
>>287713982why do you respect OP so much?
>>287713982I’m fine with that structure. I actually liked the episode that explores Batou’s past, since I thought he would just be a comic relief character. My problem with most of the standalone episodes is that they are very simple: they present a problem involving technology in a very superficial way, and then it gets resolved just as superficially. They don’t feel like they accumulate any real weight. The idea is to have passive worldbuilding, like many episodic series, but the problems are usually very individual and self-contained.
>>287714071Because it's not about the problems and never was. Not even the complex episodes. GitS has always been about the detectives and their own personal shit, dealing with this crazy post-cyberpunk world and the nature of their own realities. They each come at it from a different direction, and it's interesting to see how that plays out with whatever case they're working on. What matters is not if the case means something to you, the audience, it's about how it matters to them, the characters, and then you get to decide if the characters mean something to you as they go through their journey.
>>287714071>they present a problem involving technology in a very superficial way, and then it gets resolved just as superficially. They don’t feel like they accumulate any real weight. The idea is to have passive worldbuilding, like many episodic series, but the problems are usually very individual and self-contained.There's only so much weight any given worldbuilding can have to characters who are off the grid the way section 9 isTake the wine bank episodeIt only happens because the chief has investments in a wine bank. Of course losing that investment means nothing to someone with a blank cheque from the government like him so the focus is on the potential loss of history from someone old enough to remember a previous era
I'm with the other anons, I don't really value this series for its "insight" but more for the general feeling. Like yup cybercrimes, yup artifice vs humanity, yup my adorable tachikoma, yup my cool batou, yup my sexy Major. The government is in on it, they framed us and took our department out of the picture but we know what's going on so we're going on one last mission to save Japan. It was never supposed to be seriously philosophical, you are expecting Die Welt als Wille und Vorstellung from the Hound of Baskervilles
>>287713845ok, what's her fucking problem?
I didn't watch for the plot
>>287713845>you think, oh of course, capitalism!This isn't cyberpunk, they don't hate commerce. It's a mistake to think any part of this series is a rebellion against society or capitalism or any of that stuff. The protagonists literally work for the government. The political corruption is ordinary stuff and isolated to a few individuals. The society is pretty well-adjusted to cyberization all around. There's lots of good people who are well-meaning and overall it's a quite positive outlook, not a dystopia. It's just a time of change and some people still have a foot in the old world.
>>287715124The boy was actually a girl, right?
>>287715403no, it was just a fag
>>287713845Shut the fuck up retard.
>>287713845I watched it long ago, and it was okay, slightly boring, characters even worse than in the first movie, but I can remember a few episodes even after all those years
>>287713845>oh of course, capitalismbruh
>Conflict - > Conflict Resolution - > Endsanon, that's (pretty much) every story...ever
>>287713845>They try to be profoundno they dont. the thesis of those episodes are intended to be easy to digest
>>287713845there's a reason why GITS is constantly being remadethe original manga was more evocative than good. people like the idea of it but actually reading it is a chore.When Shirow started GITS, the wheels were already starting to come off his career. He couldn't focus and everything was half baked.He had a few years of productivity and then just got lazy on the anime money.This is why the adaptation this summer will also just be mid-tier. Because GITS is just not that good.
>>287713845Did you skip episodes 1-5, you idiot? Why would you think the show is trying to profound? Why would you think that episode is the message about capitalism rather than the conspiracy the entire season revolves around.The SECOND season is where it trips up over half baked bullshit because the villain is literally an incel
>>287719677but in sac is literally that. a criminal appears, they stop him and the episode ends. it never tries to do something and there arent a lot of character development episodes
>>287720467the only good thing about the movie is the visuals
>>287715005Lost her original body a long time ago and having replicas that she can freely animate. Also no idea how she was before becoming full prosthetic
This thread pretty well represents why anime is going down the shitter. People born after 2000 are tasteless retards who don't know how to interact with anything more complex than a tiktok video summary.
>>287721212I'm sure the board being filled with the sloppest of the slop anime is a better indication than this thread
>>287721212lmao, you're just mad ur favorite anime is shallow trash
>>287715135>This isn't cyberpunk, they don't hate commerce. It's a mistake to think any part of this series is a rebellion against society or capitalism or any of that stuff. The protagonists literally work for the government.Actually it´s post cyberpunk. On regular cyberpunk the characters are outsiders while on post cyberpunk characters fight the system from the inside. It is a subtle difference but it is a defining trait of the genre. >>287713845The depth is an attempt to imitate Oshii´s style.>>287720467I can agree with Shirow´s source material being mid. The only reason GITS is regarded as a masterpiece are Oshii´s movies. He is the one that´s deep, contemplative and introspective. It´s the same for stuff like Patlabor. The source and even the regular anime are nothing all that interesting but once Oshii brings in his vision it becomes a whole different beast. Some directors are just like that.
>>287721212Nah, Sac is just not that good. Some shows age really bad
>>287721978>The depth is an attempt to imitate Oshii´s style.Exactly, that's what I disliked. There are times when they throw out philosophical phrases for no reason; the writing is very immature at times. Long arcs have the same problem too but you have more to see, but the episodic ones tend to be quite simplistic because they think the supposed depth is there.
>>287713845I most vividly remember the standalone episode with the Travis Bickle-like guy in S2
>>287720726I don't think he's incel if he's that way by choice, has a lot of resources at his disposal, and is trying to prove a point about revolutionaries
