why is this show hated again?
>>287730198It looks bad for starters
>>287730198I don't feel it's bad, it just feels way more slow than FMA. The hate is just from people who are mad that it's not an FMA clone and that it is trying to do it's own thing.
>>287730255i think it looks great. clean character designs. competent animation and even good direction.there's a lot to criticize about it but not its look
>>287730321It has no style and the color palette is ass
>>287730198>why is this show hated again?is it?
>>287730198JJK, CSM and DDD already did it better.
>>287730198>why is this show hated again?It is? Left is the hottest chick in the show>>287730357jjk sucks and ddd is mid
>>287730341Not him but i do agree the show looks too washedAnd while i do dislike the ''people can't see the powers'' trope i am enjoying itLeft is hot
>>287730293>it's own thingLmao. But I do consider FMA highly interesting and actually full of original ideas, while this is as bland as you can get, so yeah the bar is pretty high and this one is not even close.
>>287730794i'll be honest. in episode 4 I thought that was a guy
Perhaps introducing characters by massacring a village isn't the best way to make a first impression even if you tell us NO SERIOUSLY THEY WERE ALL JERKS REALLY afterwards
>>287730346No, it's just the standard retard starting a thread with a disingenuous premise for (You)s.
>>287730198it's popular in Japan btw
>>287731024Only the adults
here's another animekai clip :^)the animation is largely sedate but can get good
>>287732058[Haruo grunts]I appreciate it when people make subtitles for the deaf, the people for whom subtitles were originally intended.
>>287732020Yeah the kids are just traumatized for life
>>287732020wow that excuses everything then
>>287731024This. I don't care how much the story tells us Gabby is actually a good guy and those villagers totally deserved it. I still want her to die a horrible, painful, humiliating death. (Doesn't matter anymore since I dropped the manga a while ago).
i was on the fence but I think episode 4 won me overshonenshit, but not overly serious
>>287731024This is the new "remember to skip episode 1 of this anime".
>>287730198>>287730346It's not.The latest episode got the fastest thread, I think we reached bump limit in less than 2 days.
>>287730198Just caught up with the mangaI can say it's mediocre as hellThey try muh parents again as MC's motivation just like FMA did but I fail to see why would the big organization who backed them up would give a shit enough unless they actually want to exploit the twins
>>287733432Gabby's not a good person at all and she fully admits it
>>287730255IsraelGPT translation:>"I need randomly flashing colors from JJK because I'm an underage from tiktok"
>>287731024>>287732020>>287733432Are you guys too retarded to enjoy characters who are not 100% good boys?
>>287733880great post retard you could've simply scrolled down and read but clearly that's too much to ask for you
>>287733916also characters that are not 100$ evil
>>287730198I don't like the setting or characters.
>>287733919The other post is also dogshit. Bones did a good job at translating Arakawa's art style.
>>287734002>Arakawa's art style.which looks bad
>>287734013Diabolical take
>>287730198lmao I knew something was upI kind of like it but a lot of people really, really hate it
>>287734043Nah it's just faggots fishing for (You)s
>>287734013Shut up
>>287733880kek
>>287733864>>287733916The psycho, cynical anti-hero who admits to being bad but the world is what's really bad has been done so many times. It's not enough to make a character interesting. There's no reason for me to like her or root for her as a character on the protagonist's side.
>>287734479Keep crying lil nigga
>>287734561Strange response
>>287730293way more slow than FMA? Brotherhood just rushed through the first 10 episodes. In 2003 version, the same span of content took 25 episodes to get through before the anime original inflection began.
It looks a little bland but it has some great character designs, an interesting story and characters so far as well as some well made animation.Only a contrarian would shit on this
>>287734678Frierenbros stay winning!!!
>>287734885Only the rendering is a bit bland. FMA animes also had that "issue"
>>287730293Forced irrumatio with Gabu-chan!
>>287735160Agreed. You described it more precise. And on the flip side it does remind you of FMA for the nostalgy factor
>>287730198I'm really enjoying it so far.
>why is [false premise]Guaranteed replies.
>>287735312Seems about right, you can check the threads.
>>287735486cute brocon
>>287735484But Frieren is aryan :(
>>287735484I am a Frieren fan but I still like Yomi no Twoguy. Checkmate. :)
>>287735532You like eating shitt!!!!!!!! Shit eater!!!!!
No one gives a fuck about your fandom wars, retard.
>>287735560Also, I'm trans btw
>>287735558Gay
>>287735558Look how fast the Frierenkike deletes your post when he is called out.
>>287735782Still fuming?
>>287735926You really are a loser, huh
>>287730198The author other series is better since it gets 4 seasons
>>287730198The show would be improved if Asa were the older sibling and she's an otouto-con.
>>287736044We are only getting 24 episodes?
>>287736203I don't see how. They're twins?
was this focus really necessary?also which day do episodes drop?
>>287730198It's not hated.
>>287735163Yuru...
>>287736246Friday/Saturday I think
>>287736246Good animation is always a good focus
>>287730198It's spicslop
>>287734748>way more slow than FMA? Brotherhood just rushed through the first 10 episodesand that's a good thing, including the things it skipped from the manga
>>287736497>said the spic whose "favorite animes" [sic] are JJK/KnY/Frieren (all true spicslop)
>you have to pay attention to what's everyone saying and what their powers are instead of videogame or tiktok logicAfter the old shounen author generation retires we are never getting this again, aren't we?
>>287737242It's just stands bro
https://files.catbox.moe/l0hquo.pngGabu gabu
>>287733916I have no issue with a story centering around vile murderers. I have an issue with a story trying to make them look like the good guys.
>>287739304So far they are not trying to make anyone look like the good guy aside from Yuru and his stands
>>287736497This series, and all Arakawa series for that matter, have nowhere near enough flashing lights to qualify as spicslop. Not to say that her series are super deep or anything. It’s just that the bar has dropped that low in the last decade+.
>>287739447Not everything needs to be as deep as Evangelion. I just want a fun to watch and that's what Yomi no Tsugai is.
>>287739430I bet the logic is something like>if they aren't showing Gabby eating children and making evil faces anymore, that means she is portrayed as good
>>287734479Then don't? Goddamn.
>>287739625You don't get it anon! I CAN'T like characters who are squeaky-clean! I can't separate reality from fiction!
>>287739430>>287739515Are they portrayed as heroic, yes or no?
>>287739738No.
>>287739738Fuck no
>>287739744>>287739752I see, so thematically they will bring about their own ruin in some way, yes? Or are they're going to be free once they have killed all of their obstacles?
>>287739788Watch the show and find out!
>>287739738Yes, they even use literal hero power posing in the opening, see the OP webm.
>>287739324I can't stop thinking of Akane from chainsaw man when I see her
>>287739625I don't. Why are you making a big deal out of it?
>>287739734No, Scar is actually a good character. I want Gabby to die a horrible, painful, humiliating death.
>>287740369this
>>287739489I agree and I’m enjoying Yomi so far as an anime only, it’s just more “low-key” than what current shonenspics want.
wtf bros that knife was on the floor
>>287731024Zoomers literally can't handle fiction
>>287733549> I think we reached bump limit in less than 2 days.So this is the neo-/a/
>>287741210What do you mean?
>>287741329not that anon but whole site slowed down considerably post hack. Not that I mind that much, generals become cancer without exception.
>>287730890>But I do consider FMA highly interesting and actually full of original ideasYou are trying to bait, right?
>>287733916>Are you guys too retarded to enjoy characters who are not 100% good boys?I'm fine with that but the thing with most anti heroes is that the story will still generally reflect they're not essentially the good guy. There's a difference between having a morally questionable hero and a hero who does bad shit but then the story forgets about it essentially. Guts in the earlier chapters of Berserk was a right bastard but nobody was saying he wasn't a fucking Bastard.
>>287741444It's not like there ever was a time when threads for every single ongoing reached bumplimit, let alone in a single day.
>>287731638Good, it's really the only metric that matters
>>287741533most anti-heroes are just good guys with a fatal flaw of some kind, like being obsessed with money or revenge or sex, or being a coward or a consumate liar or an insufferable egotist
>>287732058I hope they use guns more later on
>>287730198I didn't want this. I wanted more Silver Spoon.
>>287741072Not just that, it was the knife the stalker was going to use to kill the office lady.Just like the stone lantern that hit Right in the face and made him flinch is the stone lantern that Asa blew up with her Break power while training.
>>287741496Calm down, he meant 2003 which is truly a seinen on par with Monster etc. etc.
>>287742509Weapons are one thing but I like that he collects random bullshit like the broken lamp just in case you need to throw a rock at someone like he does just a couple hours later.
>>287736246
>>287742509More committed to recycling than half the cast of Gachiakuta
>>287736246figure of this semen demon when?
>>287735163That's redundant.
Whenever Gabby isn't on screen, everyone should be asking, "Where's Gabby?"
>>287745326cute psychopath
>>287739269what's the purpose behind a rock golem having such giant breasts?
>>287739447What in the fuck? FMA is HUGE in latam, maybe even more than DBZ.
>>287736246that right there is good direction
>>287739228Speaking of, apparently Armstrong is in that Granblue gatcha game.
I'm only watching this for Left and RightEspecially LeftEveryone else is pretty boring, and the plot is pants on head retarded. Kudos for the pink haired girl to be into baldies though i feel represented
>>287730321colors are way too saturated but also washed out, the character designs of left and right make them look like the stiffest animated characters ever, everything looks extremely flat, everything is way too brightly litit's crazy how a show almost 20 years older can look infinitely better. i don't understand why they didn't give it the same treatment
This is your stand for the night
>>287734002you know when they did an actual good job translating/adapting her artstyle? i'll give you three guesses. the answer may shock you
>>287734678>3 years later>trannies still seethe this hard about frierenand all is right in the world
>>287748024>the plot is pants on head retarded.In what way?
>>287748660Basically >>287731024
>>287733432>the story tells us Gabby is actually a good guyand where was this stated exactly?
>>287748660>>287748712Actually, no not basically >>287731024 i misread his postI don't care about having a massacre as a first impression, i just think it's retarded to pull a dindu nuffin afterwardsAlso Asa is a unlikeable bitch
>>287748788read the manga nephew
>>287748897I refuse to read arakawa slop.
>>287748859What dindu nuffin? It was just an introduction to factions
>>287749102whatever you say tranny lol
>>287749102>>287734678>>287735484What is this forced flame war?
>>287749126>introduce faction A as people living peacefully in the mountains>introduce Asa brutally killing everyone and traumatizing children>Asa then proceeds to leave all of her men behind while waiting with the little blond bitchIt's retarded
>>287731024>>287733432>>287748712yeah this was pretty baffling
>>287749194Yeah, I can see why people don't like it but there wasn't any dinfu nuffin going on.
>>287749241Why every single thread on /a/ needs to have a dedicated schizophrenic now?
>>287748479https://litter.catbox.moe/wv0m17.jpgI wouldn't be giving a shit about my bitch sister if i had this as my magical guardian slave desu
>>287749325>litterkill yourself, retard.
>>287749495Why can't you be less retarded?
>>287730198>Gachiafloputa>Nobody cares about Vigs>Marriage Flopxin>Yomi no FlopBones is dead without MHA
>>287749607yomi no tsugai is doing goodyou're right about the rest especially marriage toxin
>>287745815The purpose is for me to suck on them.
>>287745815do they taste like rock too?
>>287749607>Marriage FlopxinAll Bones has to do is make an ova of Kinosaki getting getting dicked down for 30 minutes non stop from start to finish, and bundle it with the dvds and sales are going to skyrocket.
AhemGABU SEXO
>>287750384was she supposed to look like edward as a easter egg
>>287730293how is she so sexual
>>287739293>make Edward Elric but a girl>she's super hotwtf
>Show FILLED with hot women>/a/ obsess over the short psychopathic genderbent Edwtf
>>287748859Asa didn't kill anybody there
>>287750482It's 50% Left and 50% gabu
>>287750404it wasn't the artist's original intention but her assistants colored gabby to look like ed and she went with it.
>>287750509>it wasn't the artist's original intentionmore accurately she hadnt decided gabu's color scheme but her assistants colored gabby to look like ed and she went with it.
>>287750482Gabu is the cutest and did nothing wrong
>>287750482The ryona potential with Gabu Gabu is too strong to ignore.
>>287750596It's the second time i see cute girl ryona in mainstream anime this year
>>287733467>>287735157Bratty rabbit
>>287750482The power of low twin braids
>>287745815men are buff, while woman are vavoom
>>287750596>Yuru doesn’t try to reason or ask why she killed the villagers, just immediately starts putting arrows in herBased desu
>>287748859Nah, Asa is too cute.
>>287750747Needs correction.
The sister is sex but I bet theres no incest vibewhat a letdown
>>287736246Why is nobody calling out the shitty feet?
>>287730293sexo with Ed Elric (evil) (female)
>>287734748That's because 90% of the people who watched Brotherhood watched the original, and rather than waste animation budget on retreading the exact same story except without the filler, they sped it up to get to the point where the story significantly diverges.
>>287749607I thought Gachiakuta did well? I don’t know what Vigs is, if it’s Vigilantes then yeah I don’t give a fuck about that or Marriage Toxshit desu>>287750482Makes sense if you consider she’s genderbent Ed, he has the most deranged fangirls imaginable. Although, I have seen Left love too thankfully.
>>287752450you completely missed the point of my post. Of course most people who watched brotherhood back in the day already had watched the original. I understand what you are saying. I was simply saying newcomers who watched brotherhood likely got used to the fast pace of the first 10 episodes and consider this show to be significantly slower as a result.
>>287750611Her vs Tojima during the tournament was too funny.>he isn't actually just gonna straight up punch her, is he>holy shit
The show just isn't very good? We're four episodes in, and I'm not seeing the major draw, besides, "bro, it's from the FMA author!">Show opens up with Gabby being an irredeemable psychopath, and then immediately walking it back, and making her a cute moe character>Third episode just had people standing in a parking lot for 20 minutes>Fourth episode actually finally starts to do something with the "daemon" battle premise, and the animation and action is nothing special>The show in general just looks uninspired and boring. It doesn't have "bad" animation, but it doesn't have anything goodMediocre adaptation of a not great premise.
>>287752450To be honest, the early parts that got skipped weren't terribly substantial in the first place.
>>287752929>>Show opens up with Gabby being an irredeemable psychopath, and then immediately walking it back, and making her a cute moe characterThis was my only real issue with the show It's just above the average shonen so far
Any Hana enjoyers?
>>287753077are there really japanese girls that like bald manly men like jason statham
>>287752929I’m here for the bunny and Left.
>>287753077wow i didn't noticed those huge tits
>>287730198It seems to be much better than Kagurabachi.
>>287753077she's real sexy in the ending credits
>>287753077the whole family is running train on herincluding dera's black half brother
>>287752929>and then immediately walking it back, and making her a cute moe characterThey haven’t walked back on anything?
Gabby isn't a moe character. That's Asa's job.
>>287753192They made her act cute, and people treat her like she's an innocent kid. Latest episode had her daemon doing cute doodle sketches of the MC. The same daemon that decapitated multiple fleeing villagers who didn't even attack her. (But don't worry, we found out later on, every single one of them was secretly evil!)
>>287753233Including some mother whom she brutally killed in front of her daughter the point the daughter passed out
>>287742399You might be the only one anon
>>287753296No, me too :)
>>287742399I watched 7 episodes of that and dropped it. That Arslan Senki is better.
This refers to nearly every damn person in the whole series
>>287753375arent they helping the village people
>>287753233What the fuck are you going on about? Beyond the fact that she’s on the same side as those people, the only “moe” character so far amongst them is Asa. I also have no idea where you’re getting innocent kid from.
>>287736246bunda
>cute character does evil thing>"noooo, why would she do that? bad writing"
>>287753389the villagers are just fodders
>>287730255>>287730321it looks cheap, but not OPM cheap.
>>287752929To be fair, every single character is basically the same>hey I just did something serious AND NOW I'M SO SILLY LAUGH PLEASE
i fucking love the daemon lady and i never liked muscle girlsshe has vavoom
>>287753399Disingenuous. She's meant to be an edgy moe character who you're ultimately meant to like, despite introducing her in the most unsympathetic way possible. Absolutely bizarre way of handling things from the author. I mean genuinely look at this scene.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GrBNxWs9ccIs flippant. Mocking. Attacks first, with no one attacking back. Holds no remorse, and ensures a kid is traumatized for life by murdering her mother in front of her. I'd say it's pure character assassination, except this is her introduction? Then they walk it back, and clearly make her a protagonist character?
>>287753514i agree its pretty jarringeverything about Asa's side of the story is retarded
>>287753514She's not moe at all. Having a gag here and there doesn't make the character moe lol
>>287753514So you saw a murderer in action and then afterwards got to see them in their downtime. They are involved with Higashi village and not right in the head either
>>287753595not him but we are supposed to cheer for her, she is part of the recurring castbut her introduction was trash
>>287753583>>287753595Completely unable to understand context and visuals going on. Author has her cutely whining when injured. Cutely draws her playing a Switch. Has her daemon making cute doodles. She's an intentionally cute character you're meant to like.
>>287753626There was also the scene where she's on Asa's lap waiting to get out of the village (while Asa leave the rest of her men behind lol)
>>287753626She only has one cute drawing, the rest is just a stretch. The anime doesn't portray her as super cute.
>>287753671I don't know what to say to you. She's clearly meant to be a cute likable character, and her killing people is not readily addressed, and gets weakly softened later. It's just bad execution of everything regarding her.
>>287730198I don't really have any rational explanation of why the manga felt gross enough to drop but I'm not watching the anime either
>>287730198its better than slop like jujutsu kaisen but so far it's really just OK
>>287753615>we are supposed to cheer for her, she is part of the recurring castwhat kind of logic is this lmaoKimblee was part of the recurring cast too
>>287753077>>287750499>still no porn of EITHER of them
I appreciate Yuru visibly struggling to not just slit the guys throat in that moment.
>>287753836Kimblee was a obvious villainGabby isn't>>287753838Catbox is fucked but there is porn of Left
>>287753836kimblee is a psychotic murderer who is a clear villainthe manga does not set up asa and gabu as villains beyond the very first attack
>>287753514>>287753626>>287753716You sound completely retarded anon, like the actual autist kind. All I’m getting from you is that you have a hate boner from her doing innocuous shit after finishing her job kek.
>>287753987You know she's not a living person, right? The author is writing this stuff. If you consistently make a character who murders people seem cute, pleasant, and likeable, the author is wanting to make you like that character.
>>287754008Maybe you ought to direct that question to yourself since you sound like you’re taking this personally kek. She acts the same as she does in the intro, you even see her casually eat gum after the deed.
>>287753762I already find it significantly more engaging that jjk ever was. Probably because Arakawa is leagues above Gege when it comes to character writing.
>>287754093So she's casually decapitating people on screen constantly? I guess I might've missed that. I won't say her introduction didn't sour my entire opinion of the series, because it did, but more than anything, I just find it bizarre. It feels like an amateur writing mistake, but it's from an experienced author. She introduced the character by having her slaughter people as an attempt to grab audience's attention. Then realized she went too far, or that it wasn't the overall tone she was going for with the series. Then later on, backtracked by saying the fleeing villagers who didn't even attack her, were all secretly evil cultists.
>>287754130Well, yes. The only not-absolutely-dogshit part of JJK was Shibuya and even then it was barely coeherent. That manga feels like it was written by AI, it's so incredibly bland
>two characters who have no redeeming qualities and who the readers hate but the author jerks off over and tries their very best to get the reader to like them at every possible point>only one letter off from each othercoincidence...?
i think jjk is just a lot better though
>>287730198it's not isekai slop to self insert into
If I thought that Full Metal Alchemist was just a competent but ultimately uninteresting shonen would I enjoy this?
>spirits are couplesokay but why
>>287754133People are complicated and you're not supposed to like Gabu, you are supposed to be able to at least sympathize that she's a long-time comrade and friend, warts and all, to the much more sympathetic Asa. Unless you're autistic.
>>287754260probably not
>>287754260at least it has no funny face
>>287754263yin and yang, duh
>>287754263it's the entire premise of the show. "tsugai" is being translated as daemons, which isn't wrong in the context of the show as they are sort of pseudo-deities, but tsugai as a word means pair, couple, mate, maybe "twin" if you stretch the meaning. Everything in the show comes in pairs, and even episode and chapter names are pairs of things.
>>287754265You genuinely don't seem to understand authorial direction and intent. If you repeatedly see a character doing cute and likable things, the author wants you to like them. The massacre that happens in the opening is basically ignored afterward, and hand-waved with, "they were evil anyway." You seem to throw around the word "autism" a lot, but are unable to grasp that anything an author does with their work informs you on that work.
>>287754265>to the much more sympathetic AsaIs Asa really sympathetic though
>>287754332the author has never met you and doesn't know what you personally find cute and/or likeable behavior
>>287754133Because she isn’t constantly in battle? What? Why would the author change up a plot for a character that isn’t even in focus, she’s a supporting character, that’s fucking retarded. And yes anon, you are an autist. Undoubtedly so.
>>287754265how can asa be sympathetic if she condones the brutal murdering of every villager (and even says she wants to do it too)
>>287754385Why are you so disingenuous? Do you not understand what I mean, or are you just looking to continue an argument?>>287754412>Why would the author change up a plot for a character that isn’t even in focusThat's what makes it even more believable that it was a pure writing mistake. Gabby isn't even the main focus, so less thought went into how she was handled.
>>287754332>If you repeatedly see a character doing cute and likable things, the author wants you to like them.Or the author wants you to think that there's more to them than "Gobble gobble" *gore*, like a real person>>287754347>>287754432Because she was locked up like an animal most of her childhood and her parents rescued her from that fate and (I'm not a mangafag) probably were killed for it, why wouldn't she hate those people.We also only see Asa attack the daemon imposter for the record
>>287754464>Or the author wants you to think that there's more to them than "Gobble gobble" *gore*, like a real person...Yes. So endearing you to them. Except the narrative then proceeds to never address the psychotic level of villainousness she was introduced with, and then attempts to soften it, by telling you the fleeing mother who got decapitated was actually evil.
>>287754464>Because she was locked up like an animal most of her childhood and her parents rescued her from that fate and (I'm not a mangafag) probably were killed for it, why wouldn't she hate those people.Sure, but so far she wasnt shown to be particularly sympathetic to me. She was leading the assault on the village and when she decided to leave she never gave two shits about the soldiers that went there with her and was fucking around with Gabu.Fake Asa is cuter
>>287754437Your argument is nothing but egotism thinly disguised as critique. Its not the writer's fault you leapt to conclusions just because the magic soldier isn't outwardly wracked with guilt over all the people she's killed in this magic war
>>287754535So is she wracked with guilt? With this be addressed? Why, if she has issues with killing, did she do so in such a psychotic way? Again watch this clip. >>287753514 There are ways you can frame killing people in a "professional." Manner. Make sure the kid doesn't witness her mother dying. Don't mock or deride any aspect of the situation. Have some of the villagers attack first. Don't have her attack fleeing villagers. Gabby does none of that. She's introduced in the most outwardly villainous way you could possibly do things, and then it's hand-waved.
>>287754133>Then later on, backtracked by saying the fleeing villagers who didn't even attack her, were all secretly evil cultists.I don't get this criticism. How is it a backtrack? Is learning anything new about something a backtrack these days?
>>287754589From the very beginning, it's obvious there's something going on the villager. But "that fleeing civilian scared for its life is actually an evil cultist" is parody levels of bad. I've literally seen jokes about that. "Yes, I've killed countless people... But I can assure you, they were all evil."
>>287754503No, I reject your notion that ever second of a character's screentime is a zero sum game of likeability vs. unlikeability
>>287754622Why? Every single thing you do in a story indicates something about the story. If it doesn't, that's bad, and should be cut. You don't draw a panel in a manga for nothing. You don't add a piece of dialog for nothing. Everything you do takes effort and time. So you should have a justified reason for doing it. Otherwise, why are you doing it?
>>287754655beep boopI didn't say there's no point to those scenes.
>>287754707So why draw and frame her in a likable, pleasant way? The answer is to make her likable. This is not difficult to understand.
>>287754715All I’m getting from this is that you are autistic. How is she supposed to act?
>>287732058>40mm to the face does nothing>small stone at low velocity worksWeapons being useless for no reason truly one of the worst tropes to plague manga and anime.
>>287754758You really love your autism, don't you? "She" is not a person. The only person controlling her actions is the author. And the author is drawing her, and writing her in a way that is meant to be endearing. This is jarring, compared to her introduction. Her introduction that is not notably addressed later, and narratively attempts to be softened.
just remember this and move on
>>287754781Yep, definitely an autist. Its explained how she doesn’t give a shit about the villagers who treated Asa like shit since birth. Go figure.
>>287730198I don't hate it, and I'm watching it because it's one of the more palatable shows in an awful season. I think it is kind of aimless though, and the premise is all over the place. Everything and the kitchen sink, no real connecting thread or purpose scene by scene. No real momentum in the plot. We're still not even done introducing characters apparently.
>>287730293Is she the MC real sister, is that the plot twist?
The author is simply enjoying drawing her morally gray characters in different situations. All the fucked up people get funny scenes/gags. Here's an extra end of chapter sketch involving another murderer
>>287754888Where do you get these extras? Not that I mind but am I gonna have to torrent?
>>287754831I'm sure that random fleeing mother is the epitome of evil. And of course, she is, because the narrative (which the author writes and dictates) reveals later on that every single adult is an evil cultist.
>>287754903you always have to torrent, search "1r0n Daemons" on nyaa and you'll see rips of the official digital volumes. those little doodles are usually at the end of each chapter in the volume version.
>>287754911Yes anon. Stories don’t reveal everything immediately. I know it’s hard to imagine you have to use your brain a little.
>>287754985The information was revealed, though. And it was bad. Parody levels of bad. "Conveniently, the fleeing civilians I murdered were actually evil. I am absolved of my actions narratively."
>>287736246nopan?
>>287755013>ConvenientlyAutist.
>>287755075This is the type of thing you do when you write yourself into a corner, yes.
>>287755085Or you may have jumped the shark.
>>287733916Why'd you quote me? I like Gabby.
>>287739293What's up with catbox? Was someone using it for CP again?
>>287754247Roy Mustang is the biggest self insert to ever exist though.
>>287753514Cry about it more bitch. There's literally nothing wrong with murder if there is a reason for it. Why shouldn't she act cure if she literally didn't do anything wrong?Literally no one care if she has murdered some random villagers, since they are literal NPCs who don't provide any value to life. Also they are on different sides in a conflict, so anything goes. There's literally nothing wrong with anything you do to your enemy, since in conflict anything is allowed. That's something any adult knows and understands. You should stick to Cocomelon videos if you are unable to grasp that.
>>287755437I'm sure you're a very stable individual.
>>287755455Don't act like you care about these random villagers who don't even have names. I know you don't actually care about any of them and you shouldn't, because otherwise they would have names.
>>287755590I don't have particular investment in the villagers, but the actions Gabby committed made her detestable. The scene made me care about Gabby in a negative way, and it's peculiar that the author would ultimately want me to like her after that introduction.
>>287754763The lantern didn't do any actual damage, he had no injuries and it didn't interrupt the fight. It was just meant to be a silly moment because he stuck his chin out so brazenly. The lantern crumbled from the impact, Right didn't.
>>287755614Reminder that just about every single State Alchemist committed or participated in genocide, yes even the "good" ones, but some felt bad about it afterwards and regretted it.
>>287755654Yeah. If at some point Gabby actually has to address her actions, that would go a considerable way for her character. But at the moment the narrative hasn't done that, and has attempted to even make her actions not seem so bad.
>>287755679Perhaps try watching the show.
>>287755694I have. She has done nothing to rectify or address murdering random harmless civilians in front of children. She even has the audacity to call the MC "brutal" after getting attacked by him. When she was decapitating people.
>>287755707do you consider yourself a patient person?
>>287755707And so what if she did? He surprised her.
>>287755720I already know her reasoning. The author retroactively decided to try and argue why decapitating fleeing mothers was totally justified.>>287755749It makes her looks hypocritical and worse. She can rampantly murder people, but can't take anything happening to herself.
>>287755614War is hell.
>>287755707Its been 3 episodes and they're already setting up the major themes that also parallel themes from FMA, you're too eager to not see it. Clearly, and I mean they're beating you over the head with it, secret beurocratic agencies with alterior motives are big players in this show. We still dont even know which sibling is on the right side here, or it may be neither. You remember how in fma they double-tricked the audience into thinking the reason the government was shady was their actions in the war, but actually there was an even deeper conspiracy connecting everything? How even homunculi, some of the greatest evils in the show, changed sides in the conflict? How the thing the entire show lead to finding turned out to be a disgusting death relic that must be abandoned? The seeds of conspiracy are already being laid here, have a little faith.
>>287755780Looks like someone forgot how they introduced Scar.
>>287755810This is a manga. You can read further. The explanation is the village was full of evil cultists, and Gabby is justified in killing them, because they were evil cultists. I'm not making that up.
>>287755827I dont trust someone who can't follow basic literary themes to provide an accurate good faith summary.
>>287755614>anon doesn't know>anon thinks everything is black and whitei share a board with these people
>>287755848I can follow literary themes fine. I can also follow and understand writers when they fuck up. Far too many people put too much faith in an author. Sometimes they just make bad decisions. Don't think about decisions. Or were thinking of taking things in one direction, but went in another, and retroactively made earlier parts weird and bad as a result. I mean for god's sake, The SnK author just admitted yesterday: "yeah, I fucked up. Ending sucked. lol."
>>287755780>It makes her looks hypocritical and worse. She can rampantly murder people, but can't take anything happening to herself.Nothing wrong with that as a characterization choice.
>>287755780And then right after she calls him brutal/ruthless she basically praises him
>>287755871I know the twist. It's a fucking retarded twist.
>>287755874This seems like severe Dunning-Kruger. The kind of severe that there's literally no drawing you out of because by pointing it out you've already decided to dig in your heels even deeper before you even finished reading this sentance. It's probably best for you to be done for now.
>>287755614The author doesn't want you to like her, the author wants to communicate to you that her and the sister like each other, and are trusted comrades that are at ease with each other
>>287755920What am I wrong about? I get it, you like the manga, and that's fine. I'm not the only one who's complained about this scene though, and it's a sticking point of many conversations about the series. And the best argument people seem to point to is, "there's an explanation" for why she kills them like that. And obvious there is. The very first thing you can recognize is the village is weird. It's just the explanation we get is retarded. "Yes, all those fleeing civilians who didn't even put up a pitiful defense or attack, were all secretly psychopathic cultists who wanted to take over the world." Absurd.>>287755939No, she frames Gabby repeatedly in ways that make her seem cute and likeable.
>>287755939This is what I meant to say to him too, but I knew he wouldnt get it so I just told him to watch the show. A charcater being at peace and having friends doesn't mean you're supposed to think they're good.
>>287755974If an author repeatedly gives you perspective and scenes with character, and have them doing light, pleasant, enjoyable actions, such as making jokes, and doodling, the author is trying to endear you to that character, and the characters around them.
>>287755972Google juxtaposition you fucking drooling retard, I am so done trying to patiently explain basic shit to you you are fucking hopeless. Woah the character who does fucked up things but believes she's in the right isn't wracked by guilt over it?? Because she thinks she's in the right??? So why would she feel guilty and behave any way but lightharded and positively???? Goddam read a real fucking book once in awhile instead of stunting your mind like this.
>>287755972she's framed as liked by the people she's willing to kill for and disliked by pretty much everyone else.She's also framed as petulant and childish in an obnoxious way. The same kind of shithead that Edward Elric was. If that gives you funny feelings that's on you for having that kind of fetish.
>>287756004Except the author, in 52 chapters, has not had the character majorly weigh in that she psychotically decapitated people, and instead has had her doing cute, pleasant things, while lessening the weight of her actions by telling you she just murdered bad guys.
>>287755996This is just you saying you're easily manipulated by aesthetics. This isn't a problem for adults.
>>287749467>If anime was real, all my favorites would kill you, bigot.>>Tanjiro from KnY>He realizes your tragic past and cries for you but still kills you because you are an evil demon.>>Yuji from KnY>Double teams you with Todo while they talk about JLawe bussin fat ass. They scream "protect trans kids" as they smash your skull.>>Frieren from Frieren>She tanks all your bigoted bullets with low diff, walks up to you and tells you "unsubscribe from life, nazi scum" and you shoot your brain out.Lmao this is what Yomi no Tsugai haters really think!
>>287756030That's not except you dumbfuck, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. That's not a plot whole, THAT'S THE PLOT. You're just too fucking stupid to open your dumbass eyes. You see a cute girl and your brain shuts the fuck off and refuses to engage with the material beyond that.
>>287755780>She can rampantly murder people, but can't take anything happening to herselfYup. Autist indeed.
>>287756029And why are they showing the people she's liked by? Because they're ultimately part of the cast of the protagonists. Gabby is ultimately a "good" character, and her actions are glossed over. It's not good writing.>>287756032No. You just don't understand what goes through the mind of someone as they write and create things. Every gesture and action has meaning.>>287756052If it was the "whole point," they wouldn't have lessened her actions by telling you the people she killed were "totally actually evil, lol."
>>287752929>We're four episodes in, and I'm not seeing the major draw, besides, "bro, it's from the FMA author!"Translation: "4 episodes in and so far none of my goatbanging YouTube content creators (anime experts) made a video telling me why to like this, so here is my zoomie understanding of what happened"There isn't a single post ITT that actually wrote proper criticism of the series. Just NPC screeching.
>>287756030In three books Gimli never majorly weighs in on being a mass murdered. Because he's killing orcs. Who he believes need to die. And from his point of view it's not even murder. Hmmm I wonder, if Gabby maybe has a perspective on her victims that could lead her to act in a similar way? And maybe you as the reader and meant to interpret that somehow?????? How are people this fucking stupid, is it zoomers? AI? It wasn't always this bad.
>>287742199yes, but however you put it their flaw is generally viewed as some major negative that needs to be addressed
>>287756088Orcs are inherently evil. Tolkien has gone over this. You are talking about a story with an objective morality system, and orcs are a corruption of something pure.
>>287756081You are fully hopeless and I'd tell you not to breed but I think we both know that was never on the table for you.
>>287755874The SnK author’s fuck ups have no meaning here but good to know kek
I bet this is the same asshole https://desuarchive.org/a/search/text/tonal%20dissonance/type/op/
>>287756104And now you've stopped arguing. It's fine. If you like this series, that's whatever. It's just clear they fumbled the ball majorly with this side character, and it's created tension when talking about it.
>>287756102Yeah you are about 1/3 of the way there, keep thinking it through. Gimli feels no guilt and so jokes about his kills and never reflects on them BECAUSE HE BELIEVES THEY ARE EVIL. And Gabby... Woah this is complicated so try to keep up... Gabby thinks her victims are evil too, and so engages with her kills in the same way. But... you, the reader, are not Gabby... So when you see her being cute, it's meant to be creepy and not endearing. Because you are supposed to know better. You dont know better, because you're a total fucking retard who sees a cute girl and immediately starts drooling and equate childlike demeanor with innocence instead of the OBVIOUS FUCKING JUXTAPOSITION IT'S MEANT TO BE.
>>287756088>>287756143You know what the difference here is? The orcs shot first and we're not introduced to them in a pleasant rural village. They're introduced as violent malformed creatures of darkness out the gate. This is the difference. You can't retroactively change a first impression. You need to at least tease the village has ulterior motives.>So when you see her being cute, it's meant to be creepy and not endearing.Well it doesn't convey when you spend the rest of the book having her act as Asa's bestie.
>>287756143>So when you see her being cute, it's meant to be creepy and not endearing.No. You're giving the author too much credit. Her daemon drawing silly pictures of the protagonist is just meant to genuinely be cute.
>>287756152That's not the difference you goddam retard, THATS THE POINT. That's the whole fucking thing you're missing when you say the author wants you to side with Gabby. You are an actual absolute fucking retard holy shit how can you not grasp the elementary concepts here. Like this is 3rd grade tier comparisons being drawn and you actually cant keep up with it.
>>287733432What did the villagers did wrong exactly anyway? Hide Yoru from the world? That's it?
>>287756152The thing is, the story clearly DOES open up with, "huh, there's something weird with this village," but extending that notion to, "every single civilian is in on this secret evil plan, and everyone who stays there is really genuinely actually evil," is such an insane children's level of writing. It feels like it almost exists entirely to downplay the actions of the opening chapter. As if the author realized "oh, I maybe went too far when conceptually this." Which happens. You're writing chapter one. Thematically you don't have everything sorted.
>>287756162I said she was being cute goddam how are you so fucking stupid, you cant even read, you aren't correcting me by saying she's cute. We're talking about authorial intent.
Idk what's going on but yuru is cute
>>287756188He's kind of lame and weak though.
>>287755437Shalom.
>>287756169the moral thing to do when your nation is evil is abandon and betray it to hasten its defeat, not start a family and provide its rulers with more children to indoctrinate
>>287756183Yes, and I am saying you are giving the author too much credit. There won't be some, "holy shit, I am a monster" moment, where Gabby reconciles with her actions in the first chapter. The author is going to ultimately hope you kind of forget how bad she was.
>>287756178>"every single civilian is in on this secret evil plan, and everyone who stays there is really genuinely actually evil," is such an insane children's level of writing.Do you think maybe the childish character who believes this in the story is meant to oh I dont know be obviously wrong about this assessment, or do you think the author just picked a random side character to be their mouthpiece.
>>287756213No one on this goddam earth ever said there would be a moment like that you absolute fucking dumbass. The WHOLE POINT of her character is that she doesn't see it like that at all. If Gabby was a gleeful bloodthirsty psychopath, Asa being around her wouldnt be believable. And if Gabby was mournful and destitute about her actions, Asa being on her side wouldn't be believable. Gabby acting NORMAL and NONCHALANT being she believes what she's doing is RIGHT sells the worldview to Asa and makes her arc believable, and Asa full does not work as a character without that. You people are dumber than fucking rocks.
>>287756169It's a right of passage into adulthood to learn to secret of the village. Those that don't like it leave, those who want to go along with it stay there. They also know that in order for the twins to get their powers they have to be killed and come back to life(sometimes they dont come back). Kill the adult villagers and the secret dies with them
>>287756217I have currently no reason to believe this is some 7D chess from the author.>>287756242The story is not good enough for it to be that nuanced. No. At this point, it's clear there's a writing issue. Otherwise people wouldn't be harping on about this moment that much. The narrative doesn't draw attention to it, but it's half of what anyone talks about. That's a failure in execution.
>>287756143>imagine if you didn't have breakfast today>>287756152>>287756162>BUT I HAD BREAKFAST TODAY
>>287756284It's not 7D you're just really fucking stupid and think 3rd grade level juxtaposition is a complex literary maneuver. Gabby does bad things but acts sweet while doing them. Gabby treats her actions as normal so they reinforce the worldview being pushed on Asa, because her friend believes it so it anchors her in it as well. It's incredibly basic point A to point B, you're just an actual fucking retard for thinking its complicated and not seeing it. Gabby is the reader's sign that Asa is on the wrong side, but Gabby has to present a believable worldview to Asa or else Asa being on that side condemns her character as well.
>>287756188>make a handsome, reasonable and capable MCAAAAAA NO I CANT SELF INSERT INTO HIM AAAAAAAAAA I NEED A HAREM AND A BROKEN POWER AAAAAAAAAAA
>>287756308One of the hardest things is realizing an author you like isn't infallible, and can just fuck up.>>287756326>Gabby does bad things but acts sweet while doing them.She wasn't acting sweet. She was acting like a villainous psychopath. Then, like a switch getting flipped, the author just started writing her as a relatively benign, cute character. It was some like, mask the character put on. It's just she tweaked how she was getting written from her immediate introduction.>Gabby is the reader's sign that Asa is on the wrong sideShe's really not though. Her side eventually is framed as the lesser evil, especially compared to the village.
>>287756284>the story isn't good because it isn't goodBrilliant argument, your only mistake is thinking this is a nuanced story beat and not club-you-over-the-head-tier obvious to anyone with at least 3 brain cells.
>>287756284>that nuancedIt's literally one single layer of nuance. Even Hasbro toy commercials manage that. Quit acting funny.
>>287756352Do you remember a point in FMA when the state alchemists were the lesser evil against the homunculi? I do. But I possess basic reasoning skills, so I understand if this seems like 7D chess to you.
>>287754581The crux of your gripe seems to be that the author decided to present an objectively bad character in a sympathetic fashion. Why exactly is that bad writing?
>>287756386BECAUSE SHES CUTE AND CUTE=GOOD AND ME NO LIKE CUTE=BAD, THAT MEAN ANIME BAD, CUTE MUST BE GOOD!!!!!
>>287756372Well at this point your argument is, "trust the author." Okay. But it's a serialized narrative, and it opened up with something notably detestable that has not been actively addressed in five years of publication. Bold move.>>287756386Because I do not believe they think the character is genuinely bad. It feels more like five years ago, they were getting the vibe for the story, and characters, and accidentally went too far with one of them, and because the story is serialized, and she's a relatively minor character, she's just kind of hoping you forget what happened, while softening the blow, and saying, "were the people she killed were evil anyway."
>>287756407Its not trust the author dumbass, the seeds are right there being sown before your very eyes. You're just such a fucking retard that you see the seed going into the dirt and think seeds aren't trees so the author fucked up. The author is screaming from the mountaintops that Gabbys worldview is wrong, but your thought process completely stopped when she make a cute drawing and you refuse to see it.
>>287756407Be honest, you were one of those "the curtains are blue" people, werent you
>>287756168>hat's the whole fucking thing you're missing when you say the author wants you to side with Gabby.The author has provided me with ZERO reason NOT to side with Gabby after this point you intentional dullard. As soon as they leave the village every word out of her mouth from this point forward is all about MUH FRIEND! There is no comparison!
The dedication of tismanons who refuse to have anyone else have the last word is something else lel
>>287756407>Because I do not believe they think the character is genuinely bad.What? Why? She's a yakuza hitman. Should the author drip some bits of remorse to reaffirm to readers that she's bad? What's the ideal you want here?
>>287756437Is her world view notably "wrong"? If the author wanted you to think she was totally fucked up, why did she make it so the citizens of the village were all evil?>>287756454If anything, I'm the one here telling you people that you're not paying attention to the narrative enough. It opens with a shock moment to grab your attention, but the author ultimately grew fond of the character and design she made, so she decided, "nah, she can be a good guy. Female Edward will probably move some merch."
>>287756456Are you really so fucking stupid that you don't even know your own opinion? Hey genius, if the author gave you zero reason to think Gabby is fucked up, why the fuck do you think Gabby is fucked up? You literally already caught on that Gabby is not a good person, you're just insisting on contradicting yourself with the thought terminating cliche of her being cute. You're convinced that you're wrong about Gabby and that that's the authors fault, it's fucking insane.
>>287756477Yakuza hitman associated with a group that is the least evil of the yakuza hitmen. It's like saying Luffy is evil because he's a "pirate."
>>287756488You're talking to multiple people, FYI. Multiple people have issue with this manga. My personal argument is that this is not 7D chess. The author wrote her too extreme in the opening, and just backtracked in every capacity afterward.
>>287756456>every word out of her mouth from this point forward is all about MUH FRIEND! There is no comparison!THAT IS THE COMPARISON YOU FUCKING RETARD. ASA HAS TO HAVE A FORCE KEEPING HER IN THAT WORLDVIEW OR ELSE IT WOULD BE ON ASA FOR STAYING. THE WHOLE POINT OF GABBY IS TO STAPLE ASA TO HER WORLDVIEW.>>287756478Yeah you're telling us to look deeper by... Only looking at surface aesthetics alone.... Right.
>>287756488>why the fuck do you think Gabby is fucked up?BECAUSE SHE DOES FUCKED UP THINGS I CAN PLAINLY WITNESS!! >You literally already caught on that Gabby is not a good person, you're just insisting on contradicting yourself with the thought terminating cliche of her being cuteYou're a special kind of illiterate. Let me explain it because you're dumb. I'm not saying Gabby is good. I'm saying Gabby is bad even though the author is telling us she's good. That's where there's a contradiction. The characters actions don't carry the intention the author wants us to think.
Why will transwomen (Frieren fans) never forgive Arakawa for what she did to them in FMA? I thought you lefties were about forgiveness oh wait that's only when black & brown 'people' rape & kill Whites.
>>287756509I know, it changes bothing. Two retards on /a/ thinking I'm wrong might as well be two flat earthers. The author did not write her too extreme in the opening, you were SUPPOSED to notice how extreme the opening was and not trust her after, but you're such a fucking retard that you decided her tricking Asa was enough to trick you too and blamed the author for you being so goddam stupid.
Don't feed the troll
>>287756524She is a Nazi chud & Frieren kills Nazis (demons)
>>287756518You not only cant understand the text of the show, you cant even understand the text of my posts. I'm saying, you know Gabby is fucked up BECAUSE OF WHAT THE AUTHOR SHOWED YOU. Then you turn around and say "uhmmm me no see no reason from author why me should think Gabby is fucked up...." I'm asking why you think she's fucked up as a rhetorical question to try to get you to open your goddam eyes. Why do you think Gabby is fucked up? Is it something that happened in the story? The story that the author wrote? To show to you? The fucked up things about Gabby that the author showed you?? Holy fuck you are next level dumb.
>>287756514>Only looking at surface aesthetics aloneNo, I'm looking at things from an authorial point of view. Gabby essentially acted like a psychopath for... one chapter. Then for the next five years, has been portrayed as a relatively cute and benign character. If at some point, she goes randomly killing again, and the narrative then jumps to, "whoa, hey, that's really too extreme," cool. That'd be something. But equally there's a significant chance it was just a simple tonal shift when initializing things.>>287756542The opening was extreme to catch people's attention in the first chapter, and make sure readers would continue on to chapter two. If the whole point was that Gabby is some ticking time bomb, then they wouldn't have softened the blow by showing all the villagers were secretly evil.
>>287756572>You not only cant understand the text of the showRead the manga fuck munch
>>287756544God forbid there's actual discussion. What would this thread be without it? Show doesn't have anything else interesting going on.
>>287756580Hopeless.
>>287756518Oh yes, the author is definitely telling us what a good person she is with scenes like this
>>287756603What a good and sweet character. Clearly her worldview is where I should assign moral clarity. Nothing sinister in this character no siree. The fact that she is in particular especially sweet to the apocalypse god twin she was assigned to must have no bearing on this story at all. Why would her organization want to trick Asa into siding with them? No reason at all.
>>287756631>>287756603now post the page where she actually DOES something.
>>287756631So your argument ultimately hinges on there being some 7D chess move, and at some point, Gabby is going to betray Asa, or Asa is going to have to come at odds with Gabby, because, otherwise, her actions in the first chapter would be WILDLY inconsistent and hackneyed compared to the rest of her portrayal.
>>287756631>wow the author really fucked up by making me think this character is evil>and what's worse, the author never showed this character being evil at all>why do I think she's evil? Oh, all the evil things the author showed her doing>anyways, why would the author make one of the good guys so evil? Clearly this is a mistake.OR YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO THINK SHE'S EVIL. You're tying yourself in fucking mental gymnastics trying to invent reasons for your instincts on Gabby to be wrong, when you could just actually trust your instincts on her.
>>287756665No, once again, you just see a basic elementary surface level juxtaposition as a 7D move. Asa not fitting in with ANYONE in her organization is obvious in every chapter. It's not a complicated move, it's a fucking chekovs gun.
>>287756650She went for the kill here, to bad others got in the way of it
>>287756696Any day now... Maybe sometime in the next five years. Certainly won't be addressed in this season's anime.>>287756704Now THIS is a clear example of the narrative trying to soften her. "Oh, she can still try and sometimes do those things she did once... but they'll never ACTUALLY happen."
>>287756665>watch show with married couple>man cheats on his wife>"wow, what shitty writing. did the author forget he was married? Talk about an inconsistency. What's worse is the author never showed him being unfaithful.">point out they're clearly getting a divorce>"oh so your whole argument hinges on some miracle of literary genius 15D chess move like that? You really trust the author that much? No way, clearly they just forget he was married!"This is what you sound like. Sometimes a story is just obviously flowing from point A ot point B, it's not deep nuance.
>>287756747I hope your fanfiction comes true, anon. Because you're really hinging yourself on it.
>>287756727That's not softening the character dumbass, that's showing Gabby is an even bigger psychopath than her peers. This is supposed to drive it home ever harder that she is fucked up and evil. You are truly hopeless.
>>287756762My fanfiction that Gabby is a sociopathic murderer? A take that you agree with? But you're mad about agreeing with it because you'd rather convince yourself that you're wrong and the cute girl is actually good?
>>287756765Oh yeah, she's super edgy, and cuhraaaazy! But she'll. You know. Never actually do something like chapter one again. MAYBE one more time before the manga ends, and it'll definitely DEFINITELY be for someone who SUPER deserves it, just to let you know she's "still got it.">>287756778Your fanfiction that a major narrative twist and component hinges on this side character who, post-chapter one, mainly just exists to be a cute genderbent Edward Elric.
>>287756747You're really just not getting it. See in your example it would be like if the person who cheated spent the rest of the show with everyone acting like they're faithful.
>>287756665Your argument ultimately hinges on insisting that some of a character's scenes are non canon, while also insisting those scenes are canon and the author secretly wasnt you to think theyre non canon.
>>287756794You should watch Breaking Bad and see if you think Walter lying to Skyler is a plot hole or an important part of the narrative and character.
>>287756802No, now you're just babbling out words. Again, you're deflecting all criticism by saying "trust the plan.">>287756813Gabby is not Walter White. She's not even a major character. She's a dumb side character the author fucked up her introduction with.
>>287756791>Gabby never does anything evil!>except that time>and that time>and that time
>>287730198>why is this show hated again?I don't think I hate the show, although I almost dropped on episode 3, which was one of the worst single episodes of any anime I've ever seen.So I think I'm on board. But this thread isn't helpingcan the re.ddit moralfags just fuck off back to re.ddit? it's shonenshit ffs.
>all this arguing over gabby
>>287756823Gabby ALMOST did something cuhraaaazy like chapter one! But. Didn't. Due to circumstances. Don't want to draw too much heat on her again. Just need to vaguely keep her kind of edgy, so her initial appeal isn't lost. Bad for marketing.
>>287756819No, that is your argument. You think Gabby is meant to be a good character, because her murders are non-canon. But at the same time, you remember those murders, and insist they're a plot hole. They're not a plot hole, only you insisting we forget them makes them a plot hole.
>>287756839No. Her murders happened. Just the author kind of wants you to forget how bad they are. And later on let you know she just murdered "evil" people. Like that fleeing mother.
>>287756835This has to be bait now I refuse to believe otherwise. There's no way someone can reason a good person would just randomly do an attempted murder.
You know, this could be taken as possible foreshadowing
>>287756855She's not a "good" person, but she's neutered, and reduced down to a benign side-character role, because the author realized she was too much in chapter one.
>>287756835>Bad for marketingAre you new?
>>287756850Yeah anon, like thar fleeing mother. The fleeing mother the author specifically wrote in and drew extra attention to by having other characters interact with the body later. The fleeing mother that's SUPPOSED to make you see her excuse as bullshit when she tries to pull it later.
>>287756871No? Gabby's "appeal" is she's an edgy gremlin character. Don't want to lose that, but at the same time, if she draws too much ire, like in chapter one, that would be bad. She's not THAT important.
>>287756877Waiting for the story to let us know the "excuse" is bullshit.
>>287756863What, no way, foreshadowing can only be done by the most extreme, elite, genius, 25D gigabrained authors who have ever lived. Clearly her consistently murderous characterization and obvious setup for a fall is just a long series of writing mistakes. I have to believe this because she's cute and I can't fathom something cute being bad.
>>287756888>things unfolding over the course of the story is bullshit
The power system in the series is kind of inconsistent.Left and Right as far as I can tell doesn't have any special powers and just have generic super strength, speed and durability.Gabby's Tsugai also has no special powers, they're just durable and bites things.Can't comment on Hana's Tsugai yet since they don't show any special abilities other than acting like a more intelligent dog and cat.Then there's the 2 new Tsugai shown this episode that actually has special powers that are opposite of each other, the giant anglerfish eats things while the small one spits them out, while the turtle is slow and heavy and the rabbit is light and fast.I've read slightly ahead and it seems like later Tsugai follow the latter power system where the Tsugai pair has special powers that are opposites of each other.Is this just a case of the author not having completely finalized the power system yet when writing the earlier chapters?
>>287756888You already know it's bullshit, that's your whole complaint. You think he excuse sucks, you're just twisting yourself up over trying to convince yourself that it's a good excuse.
>>287756900I mean at this point it's just you saying "this is going to happen," so. There's no conversation left. It's a monthly series, so maybe we'll find out in a couple of years, when our lives are in completely different places.
>>287756900It hasn't happened yet.
>>287756910I think the excuse sucks. I do not think the author believes the excuse sucks. That's the rub.
>>287756902We see Left and Right displaying energy blasts, flight, lighting forms, and sonic attacks even in these few early episodes. They're not just fast and strong.
>>287756917Yeah that's the mental gymnastics I'm talking about. The rub is you, based on NOTHING, think the author is on the villains side.
>>287756902Left and Right have a very specific skill set and they're not actually supposed to have one of the yomi twins as a master
>>287756928She's not portrayed as a villain past chapter one. Past chapter one, she's just edgy, but has been consistently kept on a leash.
>>287756878You do sound new lmfao who gives a fuck about npc villagers, draw in ire from WHERE?
>>287756902it's a case of 'new foes get more complex/gimmicky powers which the MC has to figure out a way to beat with just unga bunga powers'
>>287756888>Waiting for the story to let us know the "excuse" is bullshit.>>287756917>I think the excuse sucks.When I tell you you're a drooling retard I want you to know it's from the heart.
>>287756938>attempted murder is not a villainous move unless it succeedsThis just in, Frieza is actually a good guy because he failed to kill Goku, according to this retard.
>>287756939It's the only thing these threads talk about, so evidently a decent amount of people.>>287756943Love you too babe. At this point, all you can say is, "trust the plan, Gabby will be the final antagonist, mark my words."
>>287756902>Can't comment on Hana's Tsugai yet since they don't show any special abilities other than acting like a more intelligent dog and cat.In a future chapter it’s heavily implied they have the ability to transform into large beasts (or at least the dog can) after Hana survives a bomb attack.
>>287756954Yeah, if she's not allowed to actually do anything directly villainous anymore, she's just a neutered edgy character.
>>287756956No its not trust the plan its trust your eyes. Shit has already happened, you just see it happen and say its non canon and doesnt count.
>>287756973Moving a goalpost from claiming she's just a sweet friendly good guy huh
>>287756956>These threadsFucking hell you’re retarded. Who gives a shit what 3-4 people, let alone westerners, are shitting about? “Worried about drawing ire” give me a break kek
>>287756988At least he's consistently retarded about everything
>>287756975You're the one who's tossing around the word "canon." My argument is that Gabby will never be portrayed like she was in chapter one again, and that her actions in it will not be actively addressed. She will continue forward as a neutered "edgy" character, who's ultimately part of the protagonist's group.>>287756985Where did I say those words?
>>287745815And what's the purpose of plastic figure having giant breasts?Answer is the same in both cases. To make character look awful, dear god, take her away, DFC is the only true way.
>>287757005Thanks for admiting to baiting. Fuck off now.
>>287756988>>287757004You look at anywhere discussing the anime, and Gabby's actions are consistently brought up with bemusement. It's simply not a well executed aspect of the story.
>>287757011There's no bait. You are desperate to put words in my mouth. Or potentially are literally thinking of another person in this thread, because multiple people are talking.
>>287757012Anime watchers are consistently toddler tier in media literacy and I'm not surprised at all. These are the people who think Evangelion is high art and not just a surface retreading of common elementary perspectives.
>>287757023The media literacy of "she murdered those villagers, but it's okay, because they were evil cultists."
>>287757033Yes exactly, that's your average anime watcher's media literacy. People with a 2nd brain cell or more are able to see her try to excuse her actions and recognize it as the author trying to tell you she's a sociopath.
>>287757047I really do hope your 7D chess fan theory comes true, babe.
>>287757061It's not 7D, you're just stupid and see basics as genius level. Average intelligence people are able to see this stuff easily.
>media literacypure reddit
>>287757070>No, don't you SEE! A mangaka is always a GENIUS, and definitely doesn't fuck up!
>>287757084Again, this is basically, not genius. You're just really reallt dumb, and basics are so far above your level you see it as genius.
>>287757098It's not genius, because it's not even something the mangaka is doing. Gabby is a side character. She exists to be an edgy little gremlin, and that's all she'll be for the rest of the series. She'll get a few spotlight moments, but she will not return to her chapter one interpretation, because it was a mistake the author made, and she hopes you forget it.
>>287757111Yes, it's not genius. Glad you agree with me, it took awhile but retards often take a long time to grasp basic concepts so dont feel too bad.
>>287730198
>>287757124The funny thing is this manga isn't even good enough that by the time we find out all the bullshit on this stuff, no one will care.
>>287757155Again, we already found out. Gabby already continually states a sociopathic worldview and attempts to continue to murder. You just dont want to see it. We do not have to wait to find out, we already found out.
>>287757166I know you want the last word in, babe. Feel free to reply to this one and get your dopamine.
>>287757179I accept your concession.
>>287757185What a sweet innocent girl, no red flags detected here
>>287736223Yuru's the older twin and she does treat him as the older borther
>>287757004He sounds like a lost normalfag. >>287757084>Keeps bringing up SnKOh you’re definitely lost.
>>287756188His hairstyle is too stylish looking for a village hick
>>287757236I'm saying it's absurd to assume the author, after five years, is going to pay off a single oddity introduced in chapter one with an elaborate narrative involving a side character, rather than accepting that the author fucked up. Authors can fuck up. They regularly do. No need to hump their leg, and treat them as infallible.
>>287757070I forget was LCL supposed to be like really... massless or something? Because we see the inside of the cockpit pretty often and it doesn't really seem like there's liquid in there. Which is no doubt much easier on the animators
>Love you too babeFemoids man…
>>287757084SnK transwomen projecting their shit mangaka who wrote nothing but slop from chapter 1 onto the greatest female shonen mangaka kek
>>287757293its highly oxygenated
>>287756253The narrative treating the secret as such a huge deal is kinda weird for me, as far as the villagers are concerned Yuru will just revive with the power of Seal after being killed. Even if he doesn't, human sacrifices are not that rare a concept.
>>287755820Scar was introduced as an antagonist guided by a vendetta that has sympathetic motives behind it even though what he's doing is wrong, and he undergoes a character arc throughout the entire series while still remaining antagonistic to the main characters for a good portion of it before culminating in him letting go of his vengeance.>>287754888Scar is a morally gray character. Gabby is an outright evil "I like killing people because it's so much fun" character with nothing morally gray or sympathetic about her.
>>287757262Bait
>>287757598>Gabby is an outright evil "I like killing people because it's so much fun"I don't think that was shown. It's not like she goes around killing random people like a serial killer, something that she could definitely get away with.She's very willing to kill, but does not do it as a hobby, from what was shown.
>>287757594its a matter of kegare. the whole shebang is 'ritually unclean' and anathema in principle.
>>287757598She doesn't kill for fun, without indulging too much into spoilers, she doesn't hesitate to kill the villagers because she's Asa's best friend.
>>287757612>>287757647She took great glee in slaughtering, massacring, and killing
https://times.abema.tv/articles/-/10241145?page=1They had an interview with Gabby's VA, Misaki Kuno. TL by MTL-kun>The scene that likely made the biggest impression on viewers in the first two episodes—which serve as the story’s introduction—was probably the one where Gabby-chan, a petite girl whose signature look is her braids, commands the Tsugai to attack the village where Yuru lives.>When asked about her approach to the role, Kuno replied, “Although the character’s name ends with ‘-chan,’ she also has a cruel side. I haven’t had many opportunities to play characters like this before, so I felt I really had to give it my all.”>In addition, before the voice recording sessions began, Arakawa herself reportedly shared details about Gabby-chan’s character background—aspects not yet depicted in the original manga—with Kuno. “I’m performing based on the information she shared with me beforehand,” Kuno said, so it will be interesting to see if Gabby-chan’s past and backstory are explored in future episodes.>Although Gabby-chan, who controls the Tsugai, reveals a cruel side as their master, she maintains a friendship with Asa that’s appropriate for their ages. We look forward to seeing how she’ll play a role in the story. Keep an eye on Kuno’s performance and enjoy this as a highlight of the currently airing series Yomi no Tsugai.
>>287757672Doux-sama?!
>>287732242> the people for whom subtitles were originally intended.so you know japanese?
>>287757736Why did Doux kill all the villagers?
>>287757653Better have fun at your job of killing bad people
>>287757872
>>287732242>for whom subtitles were originally intendedoriginally subtitles were intended to be read by audiences of silent movies, so it literally didn't matter if you were deaf or not
Is Jin the roy mustang of this
Asagabu
>>287758553He's too dry and serious to be the Mustang copy.I'd say Dera is closer to being the Mustang copy as far as his role in the story and personality goes.
I read ahead of the anime and it's kind of lame that they didn't double check the early episodes for this plothole, even though they kept that particular trait intact for the other characters.
Amoral characters can work, Dorohedoro Is about 3 different factions of amoral sociopaths and you come to love all of them, but their world Is an acid trip inside a septic tank and it just works. Here it comes off as jarring, expecially since they have yet to explain what those villagers exactly did wrong that warranted being massacred unarmed in front of their children like an IDF raid.
>>287731024Evil people dying is good actually.
>>287756956>It's the only thing these threads talk aboutno, it's the only thing you talk about with two or three people. There's a difference.
>>287731024I wouldn't mind the first episode if the follow up wasn't literally trying to convince you that everyone is just a little fucked up in the head. The animation also looks cheap, colors are very flat, and the pacing of the manga is glacial. It's not a fun time.
>people stopped replying to my bait>time to repeat all my posts in order
>check out the series on gelbooruSOMUCHBARAPORNWHAT THE FUCK
>>287759701oh damn, I should check it out
Yomo no Tsuguy is simply outdated. Maybe in the 2000s when folks had like 2 anime to watch, it would stand out. But to release a watered down FMA in the era of endless bangers (Kimetsu, Jujutsu, Mushoku, Frieren, Sentenced to be a Hero) is asking for trouble, it just flops automatically. Even CSM was better before the ending ruined it.
>>287756829>Exposition car ride and at a rest stop for almost the whole episodeI've seen worse, but yeah the exposition was ham-fisted>>287759275What would have been ideal is actually showing the villagers being morally grey or even detestable in some way themselves so the viewer questions who may be more in the right/wrong, them or Gabby's faction. Or, having Gabby being an unrepentant villain character who leans into slaughtering the weak. You could even keep her silliness ala Ladd from Baccano. Making her silly comic relief without properly setting her up as an antagonist is indeed jarring. And it stands out a lot since it's the introduction to the show. Makes me think other characters won't have any kind of internal consistency either, even if that's not the case. idk since I haven't read the manga. I did see some readers say the pacing is kind of shit
>>287760147Have you played Nier?
>>287760085>it just flops automaticallyit's performing well in Japan so your opinion is obviously misinformed and irrelevant
>>287760085idk I'm seeing many people watching it
"daemons of the shadow realm" might be the worst localized name in years
>>287731638Is it? I'm not really seeing much fanart on pixiv or twitter
>>287760085>JJK>Sentenced>>>Bangers
>>287760420Sentenced is the second best show mentioned in that post
>>287760346How would you translate the title anon? I'm not defending the localization btw
>the guys in the suits capture the MC>they proceed to just yell STOP as if that would work >proceed to take out weapons that do nothing (though I guess I would be surprised too if a 40mm grenade did nothing to "stone", but buckshot and pistols and everything else was retarded)>the twins have the power to break lightbulbs>also the MC can smell in the dark and attack perfect as if his nose wouldn't be overpowered by all the cars, gun smoke, and everything else>also that one guy in the suit just keeps yelling STOP! YOU CAN'T DO THAT! the whole timeOkay this show is legitimately garbage right now. I'm starting to think FMA was carried entirely on it's unique setting while this is just a reverse but-not-really-isekai.
>>2877606712guys1dark
>>287760671Twinning of Twilight
>>287757904If you're an evil psychopath
>>287760755You think there are no unique smells in the wilderness?
>>287746878a compilation of every fight scene in fma doesn't count
>>287760671YoYo's Bizarre Adventure.
>>287761063You think primitive, tribal hunters go out in the dark to hunt because they have super smell sense?
>>287760755Yuru probably just has an abnormally good night vision
>>287761207You think anime has to follow real life rules 1:1?
>>287760755>the twins have the power to break lightbulbsThe big guy used the same ability in episode 2, they could always just yell really loudly to create a sound blast.>also the MC can smell in the dark and attack perfect as if his nose wouldn't be overpowered by all the cars, gun smoke, and everything elseYuru can't smell in the dark, you're confusing it with the Left and Right having a keen sense of smell, he's just more used to seeing in the dark since he lived in a village with no electricity his whole life.>also that one guy in the suit just keeps yelling STOP! YOU CAN'T DO THAT! the whole timeIt will get explained more clearly in the future, but as a rule the Tsugais will prioritize their master's life over anything else because it's their base instinct, so capturing the master is an instant surrender for most Tsugai (as you'll later see more in the series).
>>287760671reading turn
>>287730293Even after seeing her brutality in episode 1, somehow she feels strangely cute...
>>287761540>they could always just yell really loudly to create a sound blast.That's even worse. The sound frequency and decibel levels it takes to break glass would cause hearing loss (probably permanent)
>>287761588not their problem
>>287761588Are you seriously going to be bothered by realism on a story with magic powers and spirit battles?
It's weird how you can tell that a lot of modern anime tourists are just /co/fags trying to escape their dead industry, they get really hung up on babby's first moral dilemma and have a very childish understanding of good and bad.These posts make a lot more sense when you realize you're talking to a low-functioning autist who's used to engaging exclusively with "comfort shows."
Hopefully next thread has less retards
>>287761803It will probably have more
>>287761781This isn't about any moral dilemma. This is about an unlikable character.
>>287761588We have plenty of supersonic boom examples in real life proving you can break glass without causing hearing loss.https://youtu.be/irz5u9JH19whttps://youtu.be/irz5u9JH19w
>>287761975Thinking that every character needs to be likeable or it's bad writing is also an indicator of a /co/fag, since it's an indicator of low-functioning autism.
>>287761975See >>287761567
>>287762004I think characters need to have a certain appeal. That appeal can be them being evil. Dio is a good example of that.
>>287761975It's really childish to throw a tantrum over other people liking a character that you personally dislike.
Saotome Mondo
>>287762049>I think characters need to have a certain appeal.The character does have a certain appeal, it's just not to your taste.This is also an indicator of /co/faggotry (AKA autism) because as pointed out by >>287762082, you're essentially just throwing a tantrum because people find a character appealing that you do not.Again, you should stick to cartoons with the rest of the mega-'tists.
>>287762146I think you are mistaking me for another anon
>>287762271If you also believe that the character not being personally to your taste or not immediately suffering the consequences of actions you find reprehensible is bad writing, then no, I am also addressing you, regardless of which anon I'm talking to.
>>287762335I don't think that. I can dislike characters for subjective reasons.
>>287760848>>287761129>>287761553These were written by desperate 4channer losers who think they're funny.>>287760936This was written by a talented and cute girl who put a lot of effort and imagination into it.
>>287762082This entire thread is throwing a tantrum over other people disliking a character that you personally like
>>287752450The original pilot sucks though, and they still skipped and altered shit
Remember, we got this shit but not a fleshed out third year for Silver Spoon.
>>287763078It's more just people shitting on an obvious autist who thinks that him not liking a character means the character is poorly written.
>>287763037How did you know I'm a girl??
can we get a non shitpost thread next
>>287763324Don't be too charitable. This was "I need the last word" argument autism on both sides.
