From Hajime Isayama himself:>Eren became a protagonist who committed mass slaughter on a scale rarely seen in other works of fiction. As for why I conceived such a story from the beginning, part of it was my desire to create a narrative with a major twist — where the victim becomes the perpetrator>But a large factor was also my own immaturity and foolishness at the time, when I was in my early twenties. That aspect became the core of Eren’s character, leading to the point where he confesses not as someone forced into wrongdoing by circumstances, but as someone who harbored a desire to do harm>However, Attack on Titan had long since ceased to be mine alone, and Eren became a character loved by many readers. In the end, without fully committing to portraying him as a detestable figure, I found myself depicting him with a certain closeness and sympathy. As a result, I feel there remains a sense of insincerity in the story’s conclusion — at least in my own assessmentTL;DR: If he had finished the story today, he wouldn't have pussied out on Eren by trying to make him sympathetic and would have accepted him as a full villain. Based, if you ask me.
>>287781365>and would have accepted him as a full villainThat would have only made /a/ even madder... They thought he was the good guy.
I stopped reading this manga pretty quick but that kind of self examination makes me think better of him. If he makes another manga, I'd be curious in trying it out.
>erenfags would have gotten even more butthurtwhat we could have had
>>287781365I think someone who chooses to be retarded when they should know better is worse, actually.
>>287781365>If he had finished the story today, he wouldn't have pussied out on Eren by trying to make him sympathetic and would have accepted him as a full villain. Based, if you ask me.But I thought the jews made him change the ending, and they didn't go anywhere
>>287781365Eren isn’t sympathetic just because he had a melty about the girl he kept ignoring. His actions in the story make him to be either a genocidal maniac or a slave to his own fate with zero agency.
>>287781365what's stopping him from making another ending right now?
He should of had Eren Impregnate Historia would of made the theme 100 percent better
>>287781495If his passion and faith in his own work is not eroded already?Probably contract with his publisher alongside some personal ethic, like i don’t think we will ever see an author publicy admitting “yeah my manga ended in a shitty way and i got pressure for it”.Not even Kubo remaked TYBW despite him being not happy for how it ended either, and had to wait the anime adaption in order to fix things by himself
>>287781394He is not making anything new.He officially quit the manga industry months ago.
>>287781704he made 2 oneshots after aot ended
>>287781725Not actual published mangaAnd the levi’s one shot sucked
>>287781753not levi.He made some scifi shit (with a historia lookalike as the mc) and another one about some vtuber/ai shit.
>>287781678That's not very based
>>287781779>the shifi with historiaThat was before SnK if i’m mot wrong. Unless he made a remake of that one shot after snk ended
He would have written Eren just more pathetic and petty and would have cucked him even harder as punishment, no author wants to write your hitler fiction.
>>287781853I think the cuckery was stuff meant to make him pitiable and likeable. He would have been less pathetic but he would have absolutely still lost, as he should, since he was the villain.
Evangelion got uncalled for, useless and harmful remakes just for cashgrabbing fans. For once a remake, in this case one that follows Isayama's truest image of Eren's fate, would be welcome
>>287781365>the fanbase is the reason the ending is rushed dogshit and the characters lack coherent conclusionsthere are a lot of manga like this
>>287781365We already knew this OP
>>287781884Well obviously, it was meant to show he wasn't a 5d chess player and just a normal teenager who wanted to make a better world but fell into a trap he made for himself.
All the worst people were unhappy with the ending. That's why I liked it.
This guy is right, though
>>287781365So he was being edgy, then lost his edge and changed the story but the edgy readers felt betrayed.
>>287781422>even more butthurtI think Erenfags would take defeat over defeat + character assassination
>>287781365>TL;DRhe wouldn't try to redeem him, but we would also get way more "war is bad" messaging.His hot take is killing your enemies is something 20 something would do, and "outgrew" that mindset.pretty cucky
>>287782416>Genocide is good!Grow up
>But a large factor was also my own immaturity and foolishness at the time, when I was in my early twenties.throwing shade at the young chuds here
>>287781380No, the wishy washy nature was easily the worst part. If Eren was committed to full 100% but just lost then Yeageristfags wouldn't be happy but wouldn't feel the story was retroactively ruined like with le 80% rabu mi friendo kaikaku.
>>287782416Shut up faggot
>>287781365Isayama has no conviction and pretends to be cool by being an edgelord gore lover. If he was just honest about his own capabilities he would've ended at the beach scene. If he was actually smart he would've chosen Erwin to live because that will create a bigger impact knowing that Armin which is one of the main trio dies.
it's just the Game of Thrones ending all over againif you were surprised by Dany's reaction to the bells then you weren't reading her correctly as a characterand that's understandable because Emilia Clarke can't act, not sure what this guy's problem is though
>>287782462>killing your enemies is badYou will die having proven nothing besides us being right.
>>287781365so he'll be giving the money back, then?
>>287781365Yeah, no shitIn some ways he proved both Yeagerists and Marleyans right>Yeagerists are right because if you don't defend yourself at all costs your enemies will slaughter you entirely>Marleyans are right that Eldians are devils, not only did Eren respond with Marley's aggression through genocide of the entire world, but the vast majority of Paradis and its inhabitants supported it
>>287781394>>287781704He has $45 million in the bank and made a top 10 selling manga in the history of the medium. He's got nothing left to prove.
>>287784620It is less the character, and more how stupid the writing becomes.The whole final arc, just like GoT 8 , is full of bad writing and asspulls.Also unlike Danaeris, eren had whole arcs focussed on his character development. So reverting him back into a tard was stupid on top of that
If Eren was just playing out his destined fate then why am I supposed to see him as a villain? The story implies he had no way to avoid it outside of setting himself up for failure.Honestly the whole future sight thing ruins the story in so many ways, the editor should definitely have stopped him from introducing it in the first place.
Season 1: Eren gets kidnapped>Season 2: Eren gets kidnapped>Season 3: Eren gets kidnappedSeason 4: EREN KIDNAPS EVERYBODY>Anime onlys: What the fuck is going on?Manga readers: Evil laugh>The walls were built to protect titans from Levi.>If someone says anime is for kids, I'll show them Attack on Titan.>Attack on Titan? No.. We Otakus prefer Shingeki no Kyojin.>Child eren: did you do it?>Adult eren: yes>Child eren: what did it cost?Adult eren: everything :'(>Eren is controlling Isayama.>S1-S3 Eren: *chuckles* I'm in dangerS4 Eren: *evil laugh* I am the danger>Avengers endgame : we had the best charge ever.Erwin : hold my beer!>Game of Thrones: Who are you?Shingeki no Kyojin: I'm you, but better.>Mikasa appears in Season 4 TrailerAnime onlys: I've never met this man in my life.>Reiner : why cant you let me die?Isayama: NO.>Levi:''I have tons of fangirl "Eren 19 years old: "Hold my abs!">Eren S1: Call an ambulance!Eren S4: But not for me!>Season 1: Eren, run!>Season 2: Eren, run!>Season 3: Eren, run!Season 4: It's Eren! RUN!>Non manga reader: WTF is going on with the music and genre?Manga reader: YES>Reiner :Have a beard>Mikasa :Short hairs>Eren : Long hairs>Everyone : Who are they?>Jean : I'm still a horseJean now : I'm PewDiePie>Remember when this was all about a noisy kid who wanted to kill titans to avenge his mother?>Friendship ends with HumanityTitans Are my Friends Now>Zeke: I'm inevitebleLevi: and i am LEVI ACKERMAN>Reiner: I'm sick and tired of walls.>Extroverts in quarantine: First time?Introverts in quarantine: Pathetic>Zeke: I have an entire titan armyErwin: we have a Levi>Mikasa: I can't wait to marry Eren!Historia: Imma bout to end this girl's whole career.>Tybur: As Ambassador for the Marleyan government I declare war on ParadisEren: I’m about to do what you call a progamer move
>>287781365>my desire to create a narrative with a major twistThis is the part where things went wrong. Don't write tweests for the sake of having one.
>>287781365Maybe he should have not made a shit ending then
>>287782462>>287784071Oy vey more iranian bombs dropping soon?
>>287786191The future sight would’ve worked if Eren was the only AT user who could not see his future successor.The AT could’ve worked if the future vision was only related to the current user being allowed to see shard of his successors’s future.And so having Eren unable to see the future successor , it would’ve made him both the weakest yet the strongest user, since he was free the change the future of the eldians.This also means that he had only two scenarios :>he somehow succeded and ended the titan powers and its curseOr>they all got exterminated And this narratively could’ve pushed him more into accepting the genocide as the sole solution, since the probable future in this case was that his whole race got exterminated after him.It would’ve been kino !
>>287786447kino
ANNIE
>>287781495I mean, this is a kind of an interesting thing to think about. I wonder, do any of you know of authors who actually did something like that? And by that, I mean scrapped part of an already published story as non-canon or second reality and made a new, more polished ending? Because nothing really comes to my mind right now aside from Yoko Taro's works (Which are probably planned like that from the get-go)
>>287781889Why remake the full thing when the only problem are the last few chapters? Mappa at least tried to make the context of Eren's cuckery a bit less cringeworthy. However, remaking the ending would leave a stain in the authors biography, better to leave it as is. No story is perfect.>>287784620The problem with the HBO show is that the showrunners rewrote Danny to be more likable in the mind of the YASS QUEEN cunts, since she was a popular character. However by book 2 you can notice Danny would become a genocidal retard when she enters the tower.
>>287781495>Eren sees his future in that one scene>decides to try and prevent it from happening at all costs>last part of the story completely changes as a resultI'm expecting this to come somewhere in the next decade, the setup for an alternative ending is already there.
>>287781380You kidding? Him going full genocidal maniac would have been seen as the most based thing in anime.
Giving Annie her lovely hair style
Annie and the big bean bag chair
>>287781365>man who became wealthy eventually loses revolutionary mindset>now wants to tell stories where heroes maintain the status quo (in which he's wealthy)WOW REALLY?
Imagine fucking a titan shifter Eldian but she feels you're being too rough/not rough enough and she grabs your throat and says "Fuck me right or I'll turn into a titan and kill you"
>>287781380caring what /a/ thinks is the greatest error possible
>>287781365What a cuck>>Eren became a protagonist who committed mass slaughter on a scale rarely seen in other works of fiction. As for why I conceived such a story from the beginning, part of it was my desire to create a narrative with a major twist — where the victim becomes the perpetratorIf he stopped there he would be actually based, but he had to keep talking. Then again, the only reason why the story ever became popular to begin with is that WIT added a bunch of additional content base don theri own perception like the picrel. And it is exactly that which made it popular.
>>287781365So... The ending and all its bullshit was because he tried to make Eren as detestable as possible while also making him as sympathetic as possible at the same time because he didn't want to upset readers (even though he's gone on record saying that he wanted to hurt his readers)?Even though he had already put plenty of effort in making Eren seem, at the very least, understandable due to the whole shit about the world wanting to wipe out the Paradis Eldians no matter what for one reason or another (greed, hatred, etc.) and having Hange and the Scouts bumbling around uselessly and failing to come up with a real solution to the problem and only really having "morality" and what-if's as their only arguments.
>>287788115I don't think Pieck would say that.
>>287781365I didn't ask
>>287781365First of all nobody actually likes Eren. Even SnK fans usually prefer Reiner, Jean or the manlet. Second of all Eren is not the perpetrator, he is always a passive victim that never makes a single decision by himself. Everything is decided by future Eren in order to create himself while the Eren we follow is just a victim of that loop. This passiveness is why he is hated not the genocide. If he had decided to destroy humanity himself and had a personal reason to do so, even if it was simple selfish one, he may have become the Griffith of his generation but he just moves through the motions. It´s disgusting.
Sleepy Annie
>>287781365>shonen>blah blah blah my protag is sympathetic>isekai>GRASPO HEARTWhy only seinen media like isekai can make characters who are full villains?
>>287788964Ok well what do you think she'd say in the bedroom, genius? I was just using her as an example of a female titan shifter, use your imagination
>>287789166Difference in expected audience, I guess?
>>287789098>no one liked erenFuck you, people loved eren once he started growing as a character during Uprising arc.>he is passiveHe wasn’t until the retcons in the last 20 chapters. Before that he was very proactive and his decisions in the story were importants , even the ones were he decided to trust his comrades instead of acting like an idiot.It was literally the whole point of Levi’s “whatever you do, do it without regrets” speech during Female titan arc
>>287789226I think Pieck would be a very playful lover, lots of laughing and kissing.
>>287789377Well it wasn't meant to represent Pieck, just pretend it's somebody else, but again it would be hot fucking a woman who could just turn into a titan and kill you at any point but obviously doesn't Is this how women feel when they fuck a guy and remember the difference in their stregnth?
>>287787666>>287789133
>>287789423I don't find that idea particularly arousing, but everybody likes different things I guess. So you like power dynamics?>>287789441Annie's feet are not for you.
>>287789479Yeah I guess soI just thought the specific wording would be funny and somewhat hot, especially because she's displaying that she's excercising restraint so in some ways even if she's being the dominant one you've still sort of "conquered" her in that she could fuck you up but doesn't
>>287789626I see. That's not something I would personally be interested in, but like I said, to each their own. I suppose it's a good thing that you know what you like in life.
>>287784620One part of the problem with Dany is that the show omits all of her internal dialogue, which gave a lot of insight on she actually sees the people she "liberates".She seems them as cattle, as accesories for her own greatness. The book make it clear Dany is a megalomaniac who only cares about being revered, but the showrunners wanted her to be a girlboss so they omitted of all that and when time came for her to finally show her true colors, tv-onlies got confused.
>>287789677I doubt that it would ever be reality since men are generally stronger than women Still, I guess it's fun to think about You like Annie, anon?
>>287789798Annie is my daughter, she's by far the most perfect Shingeki
>>287785759>He's got nothing left to prove.He's yet to prove he can write a good ending.
>>287781365based message
>>287788422Shut up, faggot
We honor the brave heroes of Marley who gave their lives to try to stop the rumblingHail Marley
>>287784627>>287788422Grow up.
>>287789098>>287789297I could be too generous in my reading of the message, but I assume that part of what he's talking about is that he did the stupid future sight bullshit to basically absolve Eren. Same with the retarded Lelouch shit.The good guys that /a/ hated were always gonna win, so idiots like >>287782416 >>287788422 would seethe regardless, but Isayama would have had Eren be an actual kino villain that gets taken down at the end, which is a million times better than what we got.
>>287789166It's easy to write a one-note MC when author forgets about him past the first arc in favor of muh world building and 50 subplots that never get resolved
>>287789098>First of all nobody actually likes Eren.he is the most popular character after Erwin and Levi>Second of all Eren is not the perpetrator, he is always a passive victim that never makes a single decision by himself. Everything is decided by future Eren in order to create himself while the Eren we follow is just a victim of that loop. This passiveness is why he is hated not the genocide.Not Eren's fault that Hackayama is a hack.>If he had decided to destroy humanity himself and had a personal reason to do so, even if it was simple selfish one, he may have become the Griffith of his generation but he just moves through the motions. It´s disgusting.Hackayama wrote the story for normgroids and orange website users after the anime became successful
>>287782462this is the shabboest of goyim who thinks the majority of people deserve to breathe
>>287781365Is this guy for real?Eren, even though he saw the future, let his pals try to make peace with the outside world. They got spit in their faces, and the nations were happy to go commit a genocide on the island even after hearing that Paradis wasn't even a threat for the longest time, but only made one by a bunch of race traitors that ran a shadow government. How else did he expect the audience to take this into account?
>>287791738eren would've never lost if he didn't just give up randomly at the end though
>>287781365>If he had finished the story todayThis dumb fuck had every opportunity to write the story how he wanted but he caved to editors like a pussy.
>>287781365>Attack on Titan had long since ceased to be mine alone, and Eren became a character loved by many readersSelling out is one thing, but bending the knee to your audience for non-monetary reasons makes me lose all respect for an artist.
giw
>>287786447Thank you anon, very cool
>>287786447I can't believe you didn't mention that Eren is a slave to freedom
>>287792906twm
>eren is wrong and that's why he must be stopped>timeskip chapter proves he was right and his people got annihilated by the so called repentant outside world
>>287781380That's not true, I was there for weekly releases. We thought he would breed historia and annihilate the population to be free.
>>287795409Monthly whoops.
>>287781365It took him this long to admit it? Was he in denial for the past 5 years since the manga ended?
>>287781365This series was only good when it still had its mystery and intrigue.
>>287781380that was completely delusional
>>287787337I can think of one
>>287795851robo butt
Would you wear Shingeki glasses?
>>287795838there is absolutely nothing wrong with this given the context of AOT im not going to say "Eren did nothing wrong" because that faggot killed his mom but the rumbling was morally justified
>>287791738>The good guys
Floch? UNMONGED!
>>287789098>JeanJean is one of the most gutless characters I've seen. Fuck that dipshit.
>>287789166It's easier for isekai writers because no one expects quality from their works anyways.
>>287795838Eren was right thoughHumanity eventually came back and waged a brutal war on the former subjects of Ymir and destroyed themThe cringevengers sentenced their own people to extermination lmao
>>287797358Eren doesn't give a fuck about anything post-Armin. He literally murdered more Eldians in the rumbling than anybody else in history. He didn't even give a shit about the Yaegerists on the island and just abandoned them. His friends lived "long happy lives" and that's all that mattered to him (despite intentionally putting them in harm's way repeatedly, but he was never very smart).
>>287797557Eren's character was assassinated by a pussy authorHis people, which includes the children and grandchildren of his friends and loved ones, would've thrived had he finished the job and wiped out the rest of humanity
>>287797557Eren didn't give a fuck about "Eldians." He cared about Paradis and that was the only way to protect the island after all alternatives had been thoroughly explored. Isayama literally just fucked up the ending, please admit it instead of trying to find plot holes that weren't there before.
>>287795838Correct, yes. That was very obviously a villain panel and /a/ somehow psysopped themselves into thinking that this guy was meant to be the hero. Well, they kind of ended up being right, because Isayama pussied out and wrote in a million qualifiers to try to downplay what he did.
>>287781380No, that can be cinematic if done right. And if done wrong it still would've been nowhere near as painful as having Eren cuck himself out of Historia and then develop feelings for Mikasa only for Mikasa to cuck herself out of Eren.
>>287781380Everyone wanted eren to become hitler
>>287798399Reading and compression is a lost skill for the ending defenders i see.Is funny because is usually your kind the one who screams at others for their lack of “MeDiA LiTeRaCy”
>>287781380I remember me and everyone wanting for a full genocide ending,
>>287781380No way. Fully committing for Eren to become the antagonist is based.Wouldn't change a thing about the cringevengers shit however.
>>287800274cringe
>>287798622You don't need media literacy, you just need to be based to know what's right
>>287800818why lmao, just finish what you started instead of crying for no nip pussy lul
>>287800837>not wanting to be genocided is bad>not wanting to sacrifice the girl that literally saved your life is bad>if the world want you dead you should just commit suicide and make everyone else happy >if you try to fight back you are literally Hitler>you should lie down and let your own country getting genocided for the crimes of some assholes in the past and if you are against this you are le bad.
>>287801218Depends on the country, if you know what I mean
>>287801291no, anyone that's willing to wage an existential conflict for the benefit of his own people deserves the same kind of respect, even juice, it's traitorous rats and sellouts that are to be universally despised
>>287801291We are talking about SnK and specifically Paradis.A country that is the equivalent of an island like- Amish Colony stuck 100 years in the past , full of people forced to pay for the sins of their ancestors and risking to be genocided by the whole world for merely existing.It is not Unite States of SHITmerica or JEWsrael.Paradis specifically started the global genocide only when literally threatened and after the whole world officially declared war to them
Still waiting on the Muv Luv AOE
>>287801374Well, to borrow some familiar rhetoric, if the whole world hated them, maybe there was a reason
>>287801418Marley literally threw mental patients and turned them into titans as a bombardement tactic, there's absolutely nothing that old Eldia could have done to top such atrocity, but the world wasn't gathering to stop the Marley war criminals conglomerate, no, they were ganging up to fuck with some random isolated backwater shithole.
>>287781365A fucking bird, Morty.
>>287787337>I wonder, do any of you know of authors who actually did something like that?Charles Dickens
