Is there still a possibility that naruto can succeed if boruto gets retconned.
>>287805096Bort the character still exists in the epilogue unfortunately. Should give Naruto a whole new son
>>287805096>>287805235The only way that could happen is if in the story of boruto it is entirely either revealed to be a dream or time travel
>>287805096>>287805235>>287805487Yes
No the whole series will continue to be dogshit.
>>287805633Continue seething
What if Naruto was a genderbender show like Ranma?
>>287805868
>>287805235>Should give Naruto a whole new sonOr daughter.
Retcon the entire Shinobi War then maybe.
>>287805235Do you know how easy it is to retcon that epilogue
>>287807211>>287805598Why wont pink shitters die off
>tumbleweed general
>>287808536Why do you care?
>>287805096Should have had shikamaru become Hokage, it would make more sense.Naruto is a retard whereas Shikamaru is built for the job.Should have had Naruto become a Jonin with 3 students to continue the cycle.
>>287805487>Go the Soul Caliber 6 Route
Idea:Things shouldn't run forever and ever.Fuck Oda
>>287808981This.
>>287808845Naruto is a much better leader/politician than Shikamaru but kishi doesn't actually understand how those people work. Charisma >>>>> int. Shikamaru slots right into the grunt role too
>>287808981Shueisha have forced series past their expiration date long before One Piece was a thing>HnK2>DB GT>Kinnikuman Nisei
>>287809286Boruto is another example.
>>287809164>lucyxgrayhuh?
>>287805096seeing fanart of post-699 pre-700 naruto in the boring konoha jacket always makes me laugh. Distinguished people like Jiraiya (who are still Jonin by rank) wear whatever they want, Naruto has his orange getup and could get the Sage Mode cloak getup again if he asked, I can't see him wearing the village's jeans + t-shirt getup
>>287809683At least he doesn't have that retarded boozie fade here.
Needs more Sanada
>>287809806Elaborate.
>>287809806Yea but look at his forhead.
The story ended years ago and is fondly remembered.
>>287809724>>287809831Sorry
>>287809873Exactly. So, why bother staining its legacy with this aBORTion?
>>287805096You'd have to remove the aliens which means changing the end of Nart so likely not to happen although they could just make it that the aliens stay the fuck away forever but whatever
>>287810320why not just make them aliens as they originally were not aliens to begin with ??just like how in part one it was the fox demon spirit and shukaku the sand spirit ??and not the monster??
>>287805235Pan and Uub exist in EoZ but they still senr GT to the Noncanon Realm.
>>287805096Didn't they say Naruto is getting multiple timelines now?
>>287810704Where, when and how?
>>287805814Arumasissies.... we're worse than Boruto Part 2.....
>>287810742I dunno, i just saw someone bring it up in a Naruto thread a while ago
>>287810784So, you're source is "dude trust me"
>>287810809I didn't say i know shit
>>287810704Sounds a liiiiiittle too close to picrel
>>287810809>>287810742>>287810704>>287810784Kashin Koji's ability says there are multiple timelines, whether they actually use it to retcon Boruto is up for debate.
>>287810704There's no need for an expansive multiverse when chapter 700, Gaiden and Boruto can all be retconned as an infinite tsukuyomi dream flashback.
>>287805096TENFUCKINGYEARSOFSEETHINGATBORUTO
>>287812094ikr?
>>287812094>>287812178what bitches
>>287805235>Bort the character still exists in the epilogue unfortunately.Is it really an epilogue??? really??? The manga ended before it. They could always get rid of the epilogue.Doing the adult timeskip with kids is always a mistake. This is why yugioh has the best ending in jump history.
>>287805096Unlikely. Even without Bort the ending of Naruto was shit, it completely demolished world building of the series (the little there was). Any continuation that would not revolve around loose ends from the main series will feel forced and out of place, and there are not that many of them left. >>287811712>Bleach is multiversalWhat does this even mean?
>>287813811>Bleach is multiversal>What does this even mean?You're asking the wrong guy.
YES This thread is still up.Here is the proof that naruto is more successful than ONE PIECE!!According to an article from Japan's Softbank.Naruto has made over 3.2 trillion yen (~20.7-27 billion USD) over 26 years. Currently it makes 250 billion yen (1.6B) annually
>>287805096>>287815557Yeah Naruto could have went for forever with the villages and the worldbuilding kishi set (and which he can build upon it)I don't think Kishi wanted to continue though (which is why he ended it and didn't want to continue on boruto until shueisha pushed him a lot and just recommendedIkemoto to do it)Naruto has gotten massive collaborations recently (just a day ago with eFootball and with major football teams posting it on their social media). Considering Naruto ended over a decade ago this is quite unthinkable and extremely rare for an IP to be so thriving after ending for decades.Example of a collab making massive returns is Free fire collab"Joint venture with "Naruto" brings explosive gaming performance: The most eye-catching performance of this quarter - Garena's gaming business revenue soared by nearly 51% year-on-year, far exceeding the seller's expectation of only 11% growth, and compared with the growth of only 20% in the past few quarters, it can be said to be a rocket-like acceleration. According to the company's explanation, this is mainly due to the linkage between Free Fire and the top IP "Naruto" this season, which greatly increased the number of daily active users of FF (close to the historical high before the epidemic)."https://finance.sina.com.cn/stock/usstock/c/2025-05-20/doc-inexfkuw1202221.shtml
>>287805096Naruto needs an uncensored remake
How many hundreds of millions of yen has the massive IP"NARUTO" earned in approximately 26 years? The hidden revenue structure behind its "extraordinary overseas popularity" In 1999, "NARUTO" was born in "Weekly Shonen Jump" as a "ninja story." Embodying the classic formula of shonen manga-where battles against formidable foes propel the story forward-this work maintained top-tier popularity for 15 years, growing into a massive IP that captivated not only Japan but the world.Why has "NARUTO" become such a long-lasting, deeply, and widely supported piece of content? We will explore the reasons. Written by: Entertainment Sociologist Atsuo Nakayama Image What are the top-ranking works in Shonen Jump based on average publication ranking?Comparing the ranking of other works in the magazine reveals the immense popularity of "NARUTO." While it's only one indicator, according to " JanJan Ken, " which compiles Jump's ranking data, "ONE PIECE" at an average of 2.3 is an exceptional case, while "Dragon Ball" (3.29),"Assassination Classroom" (3.53), "Fist of the North Star"(3.82), "SLAM DUNK" (3.9) -and "NARUTO" (3.7) follow.Image Looking at this data, there are only a handful of works that have maintained an average ranking in the third place across all their past serialized chapters and can be considered to have "continued to maintain their popularity."
>>287815621>And.How many hundreds of millions of yen has the massive IP"NARUTO" earned in approximately 26 years? The hidden revenue structure behind its "extraordinary overseas popularity" In 1999, "NARUTO" was born in "Weekly Shonen Jump" as a "ninja story." Embodying the classic formula of shonen manga-where battles against formidable foes propel the story forward-this work maintained top-tier popularity for 15 years, growing into a massive IP that captivated not only Japan but the world.Why has "NARUTO" become such a long-lasting, deeply, and widely supported piece of content? We will explore the reasons. Written by: Entertainment Sociologist Atsuo Nakayama Image What are the top-ranking works in Shonen Jump based on average publication ranking?Comparing the ranking of other works in the magazine reveals the immense popularity of "NARUTO." While it's only one indicator, according to " JanJan Ken, " which compiles Jump's ranking data, "ONE PIECE" at an average of 2.3 is an exceptional case, while "Dragon Ball" (3.29),"Assassination Classroom" (3.53), "Fist of the North Star"(3.82), "SLAM DUNK" (3.9) -and "NARUTO" (3.7) follow.Image Looking at this data, there are only a handful of works that have maintained an average ranking in the third place across all their past serialized chapters and can be considered to have "continued to maintain their popularity.
>>287815639An analysis of Naruto's economic sphere is shown in the diagram below. For the first 15 years, the popularity of the manga led to prominent domestic game and merchandise adaptations. However, for the 10 years from 2014 onwards, overseas sales of anime, merchandise, and games overwhelmingly dominated, and even during the BORUTO serialization period from 2016 onwards, NARUTO anime-related products continued to drive sales. Anime has a longer-lasting impact on the continuation of a work through merchandise and licensing than manga. BORUTO surpassed NARUTO for the first time in 2025, eight years after the end of the NARUTO anime. Image Image The cumulative economic sphere of NARUTO/ BORUTO over the past 25 years is 3.2 trillion yen, with recent figures of 50 billion yen domestically and 200 billion yen overseas. This represents more than double the size it was during its peak popularity in Japan in the 2000s. We have previously discussed the economic spheresof Dragon Ball (600 billion yen annually), Pokemon (600 billion yen annually), and One Piece (300 billion yen annually). By revealing NARUTO's 250 billion yen economic sphere, we have now grasped the overall picture of Japan's top-tier IPs. The ripple effect of Naruto: Japanese branding originating from anime.Finally, I would like to talk about the branding of Japan itself as something that Naruto carries on.Motifs such as ninjas, thieves, and the Sengoku period have been imprinted on the minds of Japanese people for a long time through content such as Kabuki, movies, and novels. Now, through "manga" and "anime," which are "21st-century literature," have permeated our hearts, and anime is spread
>>287805096Naruto already succeeded. Years later, it's still the best out of the big three.It can succeed even harder by just having him ditch hinata
>>287816582Really can you elaborate on that are you a voyuer with that.
>>287815571Wonder how rich Kishi is now that corporations have to beg him to continue pumping out trash.
>>287815668So why don't they keep making Naruto movies, like Shin-chan? You'd think that would be a safer investment than a Netflix live action series which would cost more
>>287816820Because they ran out of ideas.
>>287816869Naruto," which began airing on Cartoon Network in theUS in September 2005, was an unstoppable success. In 2006, the seventh volume of the US manga won the Quill Award in the graphic novel category, and it was the only fictional character selected for Newsweek Japan's"100 Japanese People the World Respects." In 2007,"NARUTO" ranked 4th in Yahoo! US search rankings, following Britney Spears, WWE, and Paris Hilton. In 2008, NARUTO ranked 1st in Japanese manga rankings in the US and France, indicating that Naruto's popularity in Europe and America was already established between 2006 and 2008 (Source: ICv2, Nielsen BookScan, GfK data). Factors contributing to the work's success (4):The "incredible effect" of the anime's theme songNotonly the visuals, but also the music plays a significant role. "Blue Bird" by Ikimonogakari, the opening theme song for the anime "NARUTO Shippuden" (February2007 - March 2017), remains a staple anime song, still performed at anime events around the world nearly 20 years later.Similarly, the rock band Flow, after their tie-in song"Go!!!" in 2004, held their first overseas performance ir2006. Since then, they have been invited to anime events in over 20 countries worldwide since the 2010s, and in 2026, they achieved the unprecedented feat of becoming the first Japanese band to "conquer all five continents with live performances," having given over 60 shows. The influence of anime music, including that of NARUTO, is a major factor in their overseas success.
>>287816891Furthermore, "NARUTO Shippuden BGM" received the "International Award" at the JASRAC Awards in2024. It remains an extremely strong work as an indicator of its overseas usage record. In the early 2000s, Pokémon background music dominated the charts, but in the early 2010s, Naruto music began to dominate the top spots. Then, in the 2020s, it made a comeback and has consistently held the top positions in overseas music sales for the past 15 years (occasionally being overtaken by Dragon Ball Z background music).Thus, Naruto and Boruto remain active and hugely popular content worldwide. Sweeping away overseas websites? What was so amazing about TV Tokyo's"NARUTO"? Many fans consider Naruto to be their first major impact on Japanese anime, to the point that it's fair to say that "experiencing Japanese anime in the 2000s meant watching Naruto." If Attack on Titan(2013) paved the way for the overseas expansion of Japanese anime once video streaming infrastructure was established, then Naruto can be said to be one of the works that symbolizes the early stages of this shift from pirated content to legitimate streaming in the late 2000s.Crunchyroll, the world's largest anime-specialized video streaming service, which Sony acquired for $1.17 billion in 2021, originally started as a user-submitted site containing pirated and unauthorized content in2006. It began as an "underground site" launched by founder Kun Gao and his anime-fan friends while he was at the University of California, Berkeley.
>>287816943In 2009, the number of paid subscribers was still only 20,000. Crunchyroll's subsequent leap forward came in2013 when Peter Chernin, who later served as chairman of the FOX Group, invested $100 million from his fund.At this point, they had 270,000 paid subscribers and $20 million in revenue. From there, they established a position as an anime specialist among OTT (video streaming services), including Netflix, and their subscriber count, which was 2.4 million in 2019 when Sony decided to acquire them, quickly increased fivefold during the COVID-19 pandemic to 17 million in 2025 (Source: Publicly available data). This isn't just limited to Crunchyroll, which is aimed at the West. In fact, even in China, where piracy was more deeply rooted, 'NARUTO' has contributed to the establishment of an official site. In 2011, when countless anime pirates were rampant in China, Tudou was the first to approach TV Tokyo. "We couldn't trust them at all," said a Chinese intermediary agent at the time, but it was Yukio Kawasaki, who became the head of the anime department in 2011, who made the decision. Seeing the success of Crunchyroll in the US, they licensed the official version, thinking, "It's not making any money anyway" (Source: Chinese IP Business: How to Sell in Japan, a "Country of Craftsmen" Where Quality Matters, Learned in a "Country of Merchants" Where Every Citizen is a Businessman.gamebiz, https:// gamebiz.jp/news/398119 ).
>>287813811Death Battle autism. Multiversal meaning there exists a Bleach character that is strong enough to blow up universes.
>>287816891>>287815668>>287815639>>287815621>>287815557>boruto contribution is 0.01%
>>287817001Since TV/Tokyo does not separate revenue by IP (for merch/anime) then yes it includes BorutoBoruto is part of Naruto mobile china gacha so it gets a lot of revenue.Though I think its right to assume most of the revenue would be coming from Naruto's licensing considering the collabs and merch it gets compared to boruto.
I call bullshit on your numbers if so why is kishimoto not a billionaire if naruto’s legacy produced 250 billion yen a year ?
>>287817138Thats all true but not in the sense that the ip alone makes that kind of money.>Heavy global licensing>Massive mobile game revenue >Long-tail merch sales even after the original series ended
Did you all ever notice how Kaguya appears IMMEDIATELY after the Infinite Tsukuyomi is fired? Madara fucking won, and Boruto is your punishment for eternity.
>>287816992I see. People seriously argue that Bleach has such characters? And that having such characters is a good thing?Jesus, I hate Death Battle.
>>287805598Sakura x Sasori OTP
>>287805096I find Naruto to be a lot more cringier than Boruto, actually.
>>287817267You are not the only one to notice and come to this conclusion.
>>287809286gt and nisei are great, fuck you.
>>287808791I ask you the same. It's been over a decade of you faggots seething about being wrong.
I genuinely think if Boruto was Naruto's grandson instead of his son would definetly fix a LOT of my problem with the sequel. They can make Nurarihyon no Mago type of dynamic and no Naruto fans will mad bcs his old ass isn't as strong anymore this time
>>287805235You mean daughter. Blonde daughter with they blue eyes and byakugan. DO IT KISHI
What, is there an upcoming new Naruto manga or something?
>>287821459I would watch Borette
>>287821543Pierrot is making 4 episodes for the original Naruto but those are in development hell. Otherwise no.>>287821665Make it slice of life kino too.
>>287820635It was Kishimoto who was wrong to bait his audience and waste all our time/energy.
>>287821854He baited because he didn't wanna make Naruhina obvious in Part 2. You are also ignoring Sakuras own feelings here. You don't seem to care for her herself, only the crackship.
>>287821944>You don't seem to care for her herselfNo? Also, that's technically NOT what "crackship" means.
>>287822228>NoYes. You only care about her as shipping fodder.>that's technically NOT what "crackship" means.It means a ship that basically has no chance of having. Or that it makes no sense. That's NS to a T.
>>287821944>he didn't wanna make Naruhina obvious in Part 2That's gotta be the most retarded excuse ever. Why would any author not want their true romantic intentions obvious? What do they benefit from leading on that section of their audience? >>287822305>You only care about her as shipping fodder.And you seem to only care about her as a self-insert to marry Sasuke-kun.>It means a ship that basically has no chance of having. Except NS had PLENTY of chances prior to the epilogue. >Or that it makes no senseAnd SasuSaku does? Also, "having". ESL detected.
>>287822389>romantic intentionsThats not a thing in Naruto. Romance implies proper development. Not a handful of moments. Kishimoto made it clear he didn't wanna focus on that.>And you seem to only care about her as a self-insert to marry Sasuke-kun. I dont. Neither needed each other.>NS had PLENTY of chancesWrong. Sakuras love for Sasuke is about the only consistent Kishi gave her and its present throughout the series.
>>287822389>SasuSakuOf course not. NaruSaku didn't make sense either.
Fuck Im getting sleepy.
>>287822460>Romance implies proper developmentWhich NH never had, even compared to NS. And no, The Last does not count. It was lazy and hamfisted, and everyone here knows it. >Sakuras love for Sasuke is about the only consistent Kishi gave her and its present throughout the seriesYes, because NOBODY in their right mind just grows up and realizes that perhaps their first CRUSH might not be their best romantic option, especially when said CRUSH has never shown any interest in them and is an INSANE TERRORIST WHO HAS ALMOST KILLED THEM MORE THAN ONCE.
>>287822571>Which NH never hadI agree. It had moments and Kishi called it a day. All he cared about was the endpoint, not the point to that endpoint.>Yes, because NOBODY in their right mind just grows up and realizes that perhaps their first CRUSH might not be their best romantic optionWell Sakura didn't. She made it painfully clear she desperately loves Sasuke even when he wasn't around. Kishi made it worse by not giving her any reason for it but whatever.
>>287822656*not the road to that endpoint.
>>287822656>>287822701So, why are we even fighting when we're clearly in agreement?
>>287822789I thought you believed she had a chance with nardo. She didnt. If we agree on that its fine I guess.
>>287822843No, I do believe that. What I don't believe is that Kishimoto was actually aiming for NH and purposefully leading his audience astray all along, rather than simply pivoting at the last minute like a coward due to mob mentality.
>>287823026>I do believe thatThen you are wrong as the manga shows us otherwise.>purposefully leading his audience astrayThe only people this tricked were people like you. When NH happened everyone else saw it coming or didn't care. >mob mentality.If he replaced Sakura as the heroine with Hinata you might have a point. But he didn't do that. He thought about it and kept Sakura in that role despite everything.
>>287805096>naruto can succeedNaruto already succeeded. Naruto fans are smart enough to disregard Boruto, not buy Boruto and treat it as a non-canon spin-off.>>287805235Nah, just keep Himawari as an only child. Sasuke should have a son who looks like Itachi. Don't bother with a sequel.
>>287823409Give Naruto two older twin kids.>blonde teenage daughter that acts like Hinata>dark (or whatever Hinatas hair color is) haired teenage son that acts like Jiraiya.Keep Hima and 700 chapter Bort (he's not a total brat in that)
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>>287823522I think naruto not have kids yet is fine shikamaru should be the first for comic relief or sasuke with some random girl he meets in his travels.
>>287824685But Naruto and Hinata get together before anyone else. So having kids earlier & more kids in general makes sense.>sasuke with some random girl he meets in his travels.I agree
>>287823121>the manga shows us otherwiseNo, the manga actually showed them growing closer while Hinata mostly stayed in the background.
>>287824543They’re divorced? Never picked that up.
>>287822460If he didn't wanna focus on romance, he should've just made everyone asexual monks.
>>287825428>growing closerThats not love at all. And during this she still expressed her love for Sasuke. You'd have to rewrite Sakura completely to make this crackship work.
>>287825565>If he didn't wanna focus on romanceHe didn't.
>>287825604Yeah, that's my point!
>>287825604>>287825791Sorry, I actually had more. Then why did he not just make everyone asexual monks?
>>287825820He basically made Sasuke that since he showed no romantic feelings for anyone. He made Naruto a bit of a perv for gags. Same with Kakashi & Jiraiya.
>>287824685I agree it would have made complete total sense for sasuke to find seperate unconditional love with a female in his travels.Hell it might be cliche or corny but what if there was another surviving female uchiha somewhere.
>>287809286>Shueisha>GT
>>287810444Kaguya has always been an alien.She's literally extraterrestrial.
>>287810704>>287810742>>287810784>>287811762Multiple future paths does not exactly mean that there exists a multiverse where everything is different.At best it means that shit like all the prophecies that didn't came true were just visions of a possible future.
>>287817267Madara lost to BVLL Zetsu.
Aliens were introduced in Naruto because of Halo 4.
