Pure kino
>>287818111It truly is one for the books. The first half - everything up until Draka was introduced - is masterclass storytelling. After that it declines, but still ends strong. AOTY for me.
>>287818111Isn't this just some anti-religious propaganda?
>>287818158how so?
>>287818188I don't, I didn't watch it. That's why I asked the question.
>>287818111Very surprising how much this show hooked me. And how much it made me cry like a bitch.Any time this theme kicked was almost certain to hit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd_Cb6uWoSI>>287818158Its actually not. Though it may come across that way initially, seeing it through to the end does not explicitly come across as anti-church. It shows many negative aspects of the church through persecution of things they believed to be against God, but in the same breath it shows the many positive aspects as well, especially in the final episodes. Hell one of the lead characters is a monk and while he is technically going against teachings of the church that were standard for the time, he does not lose his faith in God.I'm not even religious really. It was quite moving.
>>287818158Actually nope.Most or the cast believe in god even among the scientists.The only thing that criticizes is blind fanatism and the corruption that can overtake an institution or a belief.
>>287818141Draka was definitely the weakest arc, but funny enough had one of the most emotionally hard hitting episodes of the series.
>>287818311I love Nowak, but man did he have it rough all throughout
>>287818111Cool show. The Nowak arc felt rushed and convoluted without much reason. And I don't think I cared much about parallel Rafal or whatever. The rest was good if you remove those sore points, with Oczy/Badeni being the peak. Maybe it should just started ending around there since the point of the show amd its message were told many times at that point.
>>287818219>>287818247Well then, guess I'll have to watch it.
>>287818188Some american anons can grasp idea of science and religion not being antagonistic to each other or mutually exclusive
>>287818692It's not that I can't grasp the possibility, my own worldview is one that combined them, I'm just so used to them being treated as such that whenever I see them both I expect I'm about to get lectured about how evil religion is.
>>287818737I mean Japan I suppose does use that trope a decent bit, but I don't think its malicious in the same way its used in the west. Mostly I just think they use it because it sets up a convenient foe. This series however does not explicitly paint the church as evil even if it may appear like that will be the set up at first, and as another anon said nearly all the main characters are frim believers in God throughout the entirety of the series even if they are defying standard church orthodoxy of the time. Its just the setting is in one in which the Church did prosecute certain beliefs/practices, and it is reflected that way throughout. One moment you may be witnessing a corrupt member of the church, and the next moment one its most benevolent members, or even just your average person who follows the rules without much question.I would highly recommend it personally. Episode 3 in my opinion really reveals some of the themes of the series.
>>287818737I see this kind of question each time this series is discussed. It's hard to believe it's in good faith instead /pol/ tourism
>>287818974Not everything is a /pol/ boogieman. He barely even contested.
>>287818111Everyone burned alive the anime.
>>287818111No story that ends with "and it was all a dream" is kino
>>287818219Best christianity promotion in anime since uhhhh Hellsing?
>>287818158It is not, but it is heavily anti-Church to the point of being quite silly at times. Even if it tries to hard-correct in the last chapters showing a more pragmatic side of the Church with the Bishop (and also boiling all the persecution to the local branch and saying that in other places they are lot laxer) and a more radical side of science with the epilogue mini-arc. I guess it's not too hard since it also shows that knowledge and science was also carried heavily by the Church for a really long time.The series is heavily religious, many characters are moved to seek the 'truth' due to their own views of god and spirituality. It just clashes with the (local) Church doctrine. There are like two atheist characters, both die in a bad way, one is a scumbag and the other is treated like kind of a idiot that gets dragged around for the final arc.
>>287820481But enough about Chensoman.
...NANDODEMO
>>287818158Why are you fucks so sensitive?
>>287820481Midwit spotted.
>>287821573NANDODEMO SAKEBU
The OP lyrics have nothing to do with the show at allI hate when shows do this
I lost interest in this show for the torture being over the top and historically inaccurate for the crimes committed.>erm it was actually one bishop and you would know if you kept watchingI don't care, it felt like a cheap way to get the message across.
show is reddit slop it quotes philosophers unironically
>>287822511i treat singing in languages i don't know as just another instrument>>287822531it's not a historical documentary
>>287822560>it's not a historical documentaryIt's fiction based on the real worldBut anyway I can look past the alternate history thingMy main gripe is that the torture is way too over the top for no reason and it just seems like a lazy cope out to get the main theme across.Think about it this way, if any of the characters thought about moving a few cities away (fairly reasonable considering the setting) then the story would just crumble and not work.
>>287818111It's always struck me as strange that people would be willing to die for a belief like that. I mean I would just recant.
>>287818141Hard agree. I feel like I would have liked the draka arc more if she didn't die in the end since she didn't have the same level of involvement or commitment that oczy,bardeni, joletta or rafel had. But it is was still a 10 just for how unique and amazing it was up until that point. If they sold just the rafel and bardeni oczy arc on their own without draka, this would have been the best show, no questions asked.
>>287822764Isn't the entire purpose of the final arc to show that all the preceding events were probably an unreliable and sensationalized "historical account"?
>>287822871There are four lights.
>>287823039I stopped watching after Badeni got taken out so I wouldn't know.
>>287818111NANDO DEMO
>>287818111It has a few decent moments, but overall it is trash.
>>287822764>torture is way too over the top for no reasonare there cases when torture is not over the top?but yeah, i guess you're right that the author hasn't thought through worldbuilding very well and it could crumble at close inspection
>>287818737>I expect I'm about to get lectured about how evil religion is.As you should!
>>287823169>but overall it is trashWhy?
>>287823567Fuck off
>>287821598Would you watch an anime all about how you personally are evil?
>>287823622Yeah. It's always interesting to see yourself from different perspective.
>>287818111>globetard propaganda No thanks
>>287818158it was surprisingly lenient in its handling of what the church actually did. here it's a bit of nail pulling and scarring, kiddie gloves shit.
>>287823112This scene always makes me want to give old Star Trek a try honestly.
>>287818111>supposedly smart investigative omnipresent antagonist>ending is the villain realising he was just stupid and killed all those people for nothingvery underwhelming but ok,gets tiring at timesthe author also shoved some feminist things in and muh evil church
>>287818158Yes a tiny bit
>>287818111This was pure shit>b-but is different and anti-anime! I'M SPECIAL I SWEARNah.
>>287823845It's not a different perspective, I've heard it all before
>>287818111my shouninspic hommie says its good, is he right?
>>287827758"b-but is different and anti-anime">The animay I like is the only real animay! I'm the more genuine otaku than you fakers! There can only be one type of a thing and no in-between, you just don't get me! The slop I consoom is ACTUALLY ENJOYABLE, you see! Sure buddy
>>287828549And so is every leftoid. Literally anyone with American political brainrot is.
>>287823622Why would you listen to a religion all about how you personally are evil?
>>287818141>but still ends strongNo>aotyProbably
>>287824053>Being a Flat Earther in the big 2026L M A O
>redditors first serious anime
>>287824053>>287831349How do they still exist? We'd be able to see Everest's silhouette everywhere if the world was actually flat.
>>287818141>>287822887Draka not being in the conga line shows she wasn't one of themhttps://v.animethemes.moe/ChikyuuChi-ED1v5.webm
>>287818111>still no dubsdid it really plot this bad?
>>287824053>he doesn't know
>>287818247I mean this in the least baity way possible but the manga is clearly the Modern Japanese ethos of >you should just have a vague cargo cult memory of faith that has neither institutional power nor moves you personally >you know like us after our national religion was beaten out of us with bombs a couple generations after we dismantled Buddhism for its ties to the old regimeIt's just Nip Chauvinism projected on the past.
>>287831398It's all emotions. Lack of trust in the institutions, superiority from being in on a hidden truth, comfort that there is some ambiguous "they" in control of all the chaos of modernity. Then when people join the community they have their social meets met through the conspiracy and the usual cult dynamics start playing.What the actual conspiracy theory is is completely irrelevant, but it does help to have some tiny sliver of truth or be so big it can never be falsified.
>>287818158Its in fact the total opposite
>>287823622You haven't watched anything older than the late 1970s, have you?
>>287818111it's kind of crazy his next work just went completely under the radar and doesn't even have a tl. you'd think they'd want to make him a prolific mangaka and at least secure an english publication deal
>>287833046the motivator of like 80% of the characters is about being moved personally by their faith, retard
>>287834157If you conflate literally every personal character motivation with faith then yes the manga's full of it. Orb has a lot of conviction but nearly no faith.
>>287822764>torture is way over the topare you even aware of how crazy medieval torture methods could be? and you think removing fingernails or that pear thing are "over the top?"
>>287823622>i will completely ignore and deny the past because it paints me in a bad lightretarded polfag, religion (christianity in this specific case) is great and all as a general rule throughout history but its record isn't exactly squeaky clean throughout middle ages/renaissance
>>287831379It does seem to be that anime you say to like only to look smart in front of others.
>>287834243wanting to get closer to understanding and appreciating god's creations isn't faith?
>>287818111CONTRASTCELS GOT BRIGHTNESSMOGGED BY THIS ANIME
>>287818141Fpwp
>>287818111it was
>>287834469My computer is by a window, I literally had to wait until night time to watch it because the sunlight made half the scenes pure black.
i stopped watching after the hunter guy whatever his name was the inquisitor's daughter sacraficed herself in an explosionpretty good but im out of the loop idk why i keep doing this, anyways how did it end?? what happened to the necklace??
Sex with Rafal
>>287821598I mean, let's be explicit, no? It's only Western religions that get criticized. No-one's going after Islam.
>>287818158of course it is. it was made by bugs.
>>287831398Evidence against flar earth will not work on them, if anything they will double down on their dumb belief And yes, it's cultist like belief, not just opinion they have
show name?
>>287839428Orb
>>287836065Some scenes were legitimately pure black even with optimal settings. I joke but i actually appreciated it showing what real night looks like without tons of light sources
>>287840705Watching anime in pitch black is the best experience
>>287818111No dub no watch.
The part with that one dude hanging by his neck from a string necklace; the part with the hobos being tattooed in the back of their heads; that one greedy bitch memorizing an entire book like it was nothing in such a short period of time; and some other questionable choices kind of took me out of it a bit, but I still enjoyed it more than 99% of other shows and might be one of the most memorable anime I've ever watched.
I think it's severly overated by people who do'nt know much about things other than anime
>>287839428It's called "Chi. Chikyuu no Undou ni Tsuite"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNKDfGzqZl4&list=PLWo2fVzUfLVjMbmexPXA-Z4D2adHh2f-z
