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>>287820630
>already established major players like the Zoldycks, Hisoka, Leorio, Kurapika, Phantom Troupe, Ging, etc. being completely unaware or involved with the ants is a major plot hole.

>>287820630
half the arc is void of interest if you don't self-insert as Gon

>>287820630
>couldn't care for the ants at the beginning of arc after the highs we witnessed in yorknew and greed island
greed island didnt have highs. also most ants are filler characters to build the setting, not every character needs a large development
>thought they will be fodder for Kite just before the story moves to ging
they arent
>already established major players like the Zoldycks, Hisoka, Leorio, Kurapika, Phantom Troupe, Ging, etc. being completely unaware or involved with the ants is a major plot hole.
thats not a plot hole
>Main Characters put though too many humiliation rituals
huh?
>Meruem and the Guards breaking the entire universe's power scale
power scale shonenshit, not a valid argument
>too many irrelevant Side characters, that just refuse to die
like? why zoomers think everyone needs to a) die b) have fights with clear levels and numbers??
>lack of proper match-ups
also this; go back to your korean cartoons if you want fights recopilations
>lack of proper payoffs for Main characters even after going through many humiliation rituals
like?
>asspulls to end the arc
thats true, nanika is retarded. also kite reviving is a weird decision and i dont think togashi is going to do aomething inteteresting with him. but there isnt more

>>287820630
dark tournament in yu yu hakusho for me. I like yournament arcs but it just went too long and the dealbreaker was when they started letting the demons blatantly cheat with the nursing station in a middle of the fight, at that point the tournament has no integrity and I lost interest. You can have the opponents cheat, but only if it's subtle in the middle of a fight or if it happens outside the tournament itself. If the tournament has no integrity they may as well start blasting everyone.

>>287820630
stop watching anime made for children

>>287820630

I hate this arc. For me, it's the arc that destroyed HxH.
Author spends 5 years to explain that Nen is a technique that requires decades to develop.

Boom 20 ants with the level of a top hunters, with 4 invincible ants.

Plus the art is gross.

And we don't learn anything about hunters in general.

Togashi completely fucked up.

>>287820889
>greed island didnt have highs. also most ants are filler characters to build the setting, not every character needs a large development
I'd argue otherwise. If you're a fan of character development, that's where Gon and Killua peaked, it’s also the arc where they developed their iconic moves (Jajanken and the yo-yos).

>they arent
They felt like filler because they were abruptly inserted into the narrative just as the build-up between Gon and Ging was gaining momentum.

>thats not a plot hole
It is. Given that the dark web and the underworld are canonically established in HxH, there is no logical reason for those major players to be completely unaware of, or uninvolved in, an event of this magnitude.

>huh?
It’s self-explanatory. The main characters spend the majority of the arc being psychologically and physically dismantled without a satisfying payoff.

>power scale shonenshit, not a valid argument
It is absolutely relevant to HxH. The show is praised for its rigid, balanced power system, Meruem and the Royal Guards' existence completely violates that established internal logic.

>like? why zoomers think everyone needs to a) die b) have fights with clear levels and numbers??
Why do you think it’s acceptable for characters to occupy significant screen time without serving a narrative purpose or providing meaningful development?

>also this; go back to your korean cartoons if you want fights recopilations

That’s not a rebuttal

>like?
Gon and Killua are left in the worst emotional and physical states of the entire series by the end of the arc. Even side characters like Knuckle and Shoot are effectively fodderized midway through the palace invasion, rendering their screen time and earlier development pointless.

>>287820889
>thats true, nanika is retarded. also kite reviving is a weird decision and i dont think togashi is going to do aomething inteteresting with him. but there isnt more

Gon's adult transformation, Meruem's revitalized form, and Netero resorting to a nuke out of nowhere are all classic examples of asspulls used to end the conflict because the story had written itself into a corner.

>>287821179
>I'd argue otherwise. If you're a fan of character development, that's where Gon and Killua peaked, it’s also the arc where they developed their iconic moves (Jajanken and the yo-yos).
Gon peaked with adult gon trasnformation. In G.I. they develop those techniques but thats only to be stronger for the next arc, thats why the arc isnt that good.
>It is. Given that the dark web and the underworld are canonically established in HxH, there is no logical reason for those major players to be completely unaware of, or uninvolved in, an event of this magnitude.
the world is big, having the same 10 characters doing anything is a classic writing flaw
>Meruem and the Royal Guards' existence completely violates that established internal logic.
because they are strong?
>Why do you think it’s acceptable for characters to occupy significant screen time without serving a narrative purpose or providing meaningful development?
who?
>Gon and Killua are left in the worst emotional and physical states of the entire series by the end of the arc. Even side characters like Knuckle and Shoot are effectively fodderized midway through the palace invasion, rendering their screen time and earlier development pointless.
the series isnt over. also knuckle and shoot didnt have any remarkable developmemt, they are just strong tropes
>Gon's adult transformation, Meruem's revitalized form, and Netero resorting to a nuke out of nowhere are all classic examples of asspulls used to end the conflict because the story had written itself into a corner.
gon: stated with pika +100 chapters before that, the most foreshadowed power-up ever that also fulfills a narrative role.
Meruem: what asspull? the idea is that the ants are strong and humans cant defeat them by themselves
Netero: he had a plan and was ready to kill himself, thats not an asspull. you dont know what is an asspull or a plot hole, also those arent bad writing

>>287821111
>Author spends 5 years to explain that Nen is a technique that requires decades to develop.
>Boom 20 ants with the level of a top hunters, with 4 invincible ants.
they are monsters from the dark continent, not humans. why shonenfags are that simple-minded??

>>287821343
>Gon peaked with adult gon trasnformation. In G.I. they develop those techniques but thats only to be stronger for the next arc, thats why the arc isnt that good.
Objectively wrong, Gon was at his lowest character wise during the pitou fight, if you meant strength, then yes, as it was a powerup that came from nowhere
>the world is big, having the same 10 characters doing anything is a classic writing flaw
you may be indifferent, i believe that leaving high-tier players out in a global catastrophe in a void to make the ants seem more threatening is not a good way of world-building
>because they are strong?
that's not the point
>who?
Cheetu, Hagya, etc
>also knuckle and shoot didnt have any remarkable developmemt, they are just strong tropes
I don't know what your exact point is but either way it backfires on you, If they were meant to be nothing more than fodder, then dedicating dozens of chapters of internal monologue and tactical exposition to them is the height of bloating
>stated with pika +100 chapters before that, the most foreshadowed power-up ever that also fulfills a narrative role.

this isnt even consistent for the arc this was mentioned in (yorknew), Uvogin, who is a master enhancer and a greater prodigy than Gon, was given no such get out of jail free cards

>netero
again, You don't seem to understand what a Deus Ex Machina is. Resolving a "threat that cannot be defeated" by simply nuking it is the ultimate narrative surrender.

>Meruem: what asspull? the idea is that the ants are strong and humans cant defeat them by themselves

"It's thematic, so it's not an asspull"

>>287823137
As the other anon said, not only do you not understand basic narrative structures, but you also value every work as if it had to follow the structure of bleach.

Lots of powerscale crap but zero narrative comprehension, the new gen is doomed

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>>287821011
Toguro popped that riggers head off

>>287821179
>Meruem and the Royal Guards' existence completely violates that established internal logic.
Greed Island is on par with the RG+king desu

>>287823227
Again, I do value the narrative structuring, I never even criticized the characters of Meruem or Komugi, which are for me the highlights of this arc. But narratives can be built without committing glaring story telling errors. Togashi has himself done this brilliantly in the yorknew arc and even the ongoing succession war for that matter. And yes, I recognize that Bleach doesn't even hold a candle to hxh in terms of narrative impact, doesn't excuse its other flaws though.

>>287820630
Boku no Pico.

>>287823137
>Objectively wrong, Gon was at his lowest character wise during the pitou fight, if you meant strength, then yes, as it was a powerup that came from nowhere.
He sacrifices his life for someone close to him: his personality and his entire physical and mental development lead him to this. "Objectively" it's absurd in this context, but here its the most fitting thing to do.
>elieve that leaving high-tier players out in a global catastrophe in a void to make the ants seem more threatening is not a good way of world-building.
Nope. Including them all is a huge mistake for beginners because it makes the world seem small, and they dont contribute anything other than troops. This isn't a basic war arc like in the average shounen battle manga
>the point
So what is it? The idea is to introduce monsters that defy the worlds logic because they come from the mysterious Dark continent. They couldnt defeat them, which is why Meruem dies after gaining humanity. Netero uses the bomb because 1) he couldnt kill him, 2) the idea was to show that he couldnt, 3) Netero fulfills his role as a character, and 4) it fits the main theme: gaining humanity, using a bomb. Its a simple but brilliant move narratively speaking; it is not an asspull/dem because it doesnt fit the definition, but its certainly not bad writing. Another thing is that you wont expect it, but thats the point.
>cheetu
the main ones have fairly clear narrative functions. Cheetu is an ant who possesses nen but hes dumb, a glass cannon. They all fulfill their roles perfectly and are well executed. They arent perfect either; palm could have been better for example
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>>287823137
>don't know what your exact point is but either way it backfires on you, If they were meant to be nothing more than fodder, then dedicating dozens of chapters of internal monologue and tactical exposition to them is the height of bloating.
They are soldiers, troops to stop the ants. A good character doesnt need development; you're evaluating the work based on your own linear logic. They are characters with good characterization and clear powers that drive the series.
>this isnt even consistent for the arc this was mentioned in (yorknew), Uvogin, who is a master enhancer and a greater prodigy than Gon, was given no such get out of jail free cards.
Its consistent even for being supernatural. The nen user must have the mental strength and sacrifice to know that by losing one thing they will gain another. That Uvo doesnt do it is his decision. Similarly, Hisoka could lose both his arms and gain the power to instantly kill chrollo or something, but he doesnt; the series constantly explains that it's a last resort and requires enormous sacrifice and willpower. Gon loses his ability to create nen, therefore his potential. It's an on-character thing, it works with the logic of the series, and the foreshadowing is obvious. I dont understand why im explaining this; its easy to understand.
>again, You don't seem to understand what a Deus Ex Machina is. Resolving a "threat that cannot be defeated" by simply nuking it is the ultimate narrative surrender.
You should think more before writing
>It's thematic, so it's not an asspull"
holy kek

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I re read the SA arc one month thinking i will come back in a couple a weeks ... but my brain is starting to mix youtube/anons headcanons ... NOT LIKE THIS

>>287820630
I think maybe the best example for me is Marineford. Zoomers consider it One Piece's peak and I remember hating it when it first came out. On reread, I still dislike it. It's just a long series of people going, "SO-AND-SO DID WHAT?!" followed by a shot of them looking cool, while Luffy spends 3 hours trying to move 100 feet. The sense of time and space is just terrible. All these big shots just throw out an attack or two and then stand there menacingly. There's no real fights, it's mostly a blender of fodder while the characters I actually want to see do stuff are picking their fingernails. And in a post-Haki, post-Yonkou One Piece, it looks even more baffling in retrospect.

As for Hunter x Hunter, I respect people having their own arc preferences, but some of your points are retarded.

The way ants work is they're born into their station. They're not like us where everyone is a random mix of genes and people discover their talents and limits through experience, their stronger and weaker members are predestined as per the social hierarchy. Meruem tries to explain this to Netero, he was born to be the strongest, it's not possible for him to be anything else, while Netero is just a random human who wants to be the strongest. Humans are made by rolling dice for stats like in D&D, but the ants are made by intentionally giving all the shitty rolls to the grunts and the good rolls to the higher-ups. Humans might have a Meruem and a Pitou, we just didn't see them. Netero said he's not the strongest anymore.

Also, they intentionally didn't call stronger hunters out of fear of them being assimilated. Netero also wanted a duel for selfish reasons. The bureaucrats didn't care so long as they were wiped out before spreading off the island. So they went with a strategy to have Netero's buddies distract the RGs while Netero got his 1v1, and if he failed, he could nuke them. It was a compromise from all parties and made perfect sense.

Gon and Killua are 14.

>>287820630
Endless Eight

>>287823779
>I think maybe the best example for me is Marineford. Zoomers consider it One Piece's peak and I remember hating it when it first came out. On reread, I still dislike it. It's just a long series of people going, "SO-AND-SO DID WHAT?!" followed by a shot of them looking cool, while Luffy spends 3 hours trying to move 100 feet. The sense of time and space is just terrible. All these big shots just throw out an attack or two and then stand there menacingly. There's no real fights, it's mostly a blender of fodder while the characters I actually want to see do stuff are picking their fingernails. And in a post-Haki, post-Yonkou One Piece, it looks even more baffling in retrospect.

Yeah Marineford is kind of scuffed, all the heavy hitters just standing around until they get to have a turn. The author eventually tries to start pairing the heavy hitters up against each other to make it look like they're busy but you don't see a whole lot of fighting. War arcs seem like such a pain in the ass to try to write

>>287820630
Yugioh GX's third season.
They critique the early seasons for being episodic but that's only assuming episodic is objectively inferior, which it isn't, especially not for the type of show GX was trying to be. There's a reason why when people talk about the things they remember from GX they're largely the goofy monster of the week segments, S3 of GX had so many forgettable duels.
They critique GX for having "too many irrelevant/wasted characters" but they only really become such due to season 3 specifically introducing a gang of new characters who don't really add to the narrative in any way that the existing cast couldn't. S3 makes the entire core cast irrelevant for 50 episodes to force the new transfer students which is simply an inefficient use of screentime.
The concept of isekai-ing the academy was cool but it got squandered by only showing "Desert #1", "Dark World (mostly desert)" and "Desert #2".'
Yubel is thematically interesting but as a character really not that engaging and the added lore of Judai as a reincarnated chosen one feels at odds with the character he was set up to be.

I still like GX as a whole but S3 is actually the weakest season to me. It feels like since it gained a reputation as being "the good season" due to it being more dark and serialized that people look down on the first 2 seasons and then use issues caused by S3 wasting the side cast as flaws of GX as a whole.

>>287820630
Good anime don't have arcs

Why are people so piss poor at providing good “fuck this series” takes for Hunter? Most people who critique it come off as bumbling retards.

I don’t like the chimera ant arc (or most of Hunter), and I think most of your points are retarded. The chimera ant arc simply has horrible pacing and is boring, with some moments of Disney writing (UHWAHAHAHAHHAS THE NEEDLEEEE I TOOK IT OUT NOW I CAN ONE SHOT THIS GUYVWHO WAS BEATING MY ASSSS CRY).
God I fucking hate that little fucking crybaby fagget Killua.
People always try to attack this series form a logical consistency standpoint and it always come off retarded. I’m ashamed that I have to be a hunter hater alongside you retards .


The shit is just fucking BORING.

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>>287820630
Android/Cell saga, DBZ. Cell was cool don't get me wrong, and I liked SSJ2, but a mere human building robots that can not just contend with but trivialize galactic legends? Heart virus bullshit in a universe where you can practically outstrong reality itself? Time travel nonsense? Not to mention the fights between characters that could blow up planets with a flick of a finger looking like the world martial arts tournament at the end of dragon ball just with more teleporting.
Buu saga at least climbed some kind of divine power scale. A beast that ate proper gods, before those gods became jobbers. Androids are bullshit and cell could've been much better.

Bump for an interesting thread.

>>287826349
The nanika and needle shit were too much for me, Togashi should plan better. A character than can fulfill wishes appears out of nowhere. Muh dark continent is not valid, she is a bad character narrative-wise and also overpowered. Killua right now is probably the strongest hunter or even the strongest being in the whole world.

The needle shit was funny the first time, but now is just lazy and stupid.

>>287820630
For me is zero requiem. The idea is not very intelligent: chain of hatred can dissapear after my death. Britannians hating on Lulu didnt make too much sense but ok. It was basically a suicide, the usual character that starts with good intentions but need to kill some people and then he dies. Character-wise was great but i think the exeecution could be better. What I dont understand is why people think it is great, its an average ending in a clusterfuck season full of conveniences and plot armor. In general the whole show is massively overrated, it was fun but a mess. Is like saying Boy's abyss or fire punch are great

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people always say Soul Eater's Baba Yaga arc is peak Soul Eater.

I disagree. All the major villains get lose their fights kind of out of nowhere despite being stronger than the protagonists.
The plotpoint of Crona being captured by the villains gets resolved by Medusa going: "oh, lol, I lied."
Chainsaw man just gets caroused by Kid's girlfriends and then roofied, despite being one of the characters with the most visually interesting and distinct fighting styles.
Kid gets damzelled, the adults are useless, the man in the bear mask ends up not doing anything.
And Black Star murders a kindhearted man who could have been talk no jutsu'd with less effort than any villain in the Naruto cannon.