Naruto and Sakura never became a thing for one reason and one reason only and that is Hinata wouldn't serve any purpose otherwise. Her entire character revolved around Naruto
Losing is a purpose.
>>287822056Naruto and Sakura didn't happen because Sakura didn't like Naruto. If Hinata didn't exist she still wouldn't get with him. Dumb femanon.
Kill yourself Narutard
>>287822175Femanons are the ones preaching against NS so they can project onto Sakura and marry Sasuke.
>>287822238Keep seething.
>>287822429Just as many self insert so they can get fucked nardo. Its an epidemic.
>>287822499No, that's just incels projecting onto Nardo. Women want Bejita and his clones, not Tardku or any of his.
>>287822630>grayluKWAB
>>287822651Just saying.
>>287822630Nah. Loads of Sakura femanon fans went ballistic when Naruto ended. They melted down all basically every site about it. Same thing on a smaller scale happen to Rukia/Bleach.
>>287822651Yes, because Juvia hits too close to home for these girls. Same reason for Grayza.>>287822677>Loads of Sakura femanon fansOr just incels LARPing.
>>287822752All of them cant be that. The way they acted on tumblr was nuts. Even that one fan artist got mad.
>>287822677>Rukia/BleachThat one actually makes sense since Ichigo isn't really a Tardku clone.
>>287822915Im not familiar with it other then Sakura and Rukia share the same fans.
>>287822056they didn't end up together because Kishi burnt that bridge way before Shippuden.
>>287824401Just pinkshit being garbage
>>287822056https://files.catbox.moe/9owx0t.mp4
>>287824401this lol. even as a kid, that moment made me do picrel. how the fuck do people still go on about that shit is beyond me.
>>287824401And yet he kept teasing it throughout Shippuden. Weird.
>>287822056keep crying, bitch10 years and still crying, like rukiafags
>>287825499You were already told he baited you retards. He never stopped liking Sasuke. Did you somehow forget that?
>>287825132Fucking nice.
>>287825583Post canonical evidence of Deku kissing/marrying/banging Ochako.
>>287825583I think Sakurafags are worse. From what I've seen they are so much more intense about their delusion. And they still somehow care for this series despite so many of them swearing the franchise off in 2014.
So, we're not allowed to call him out for his retardation?
>>287822462>trash anime with even worse filler>facebook post with unreliable information>2026Kill yourself.
>>287822056Hinata is a side character anon. The real reason it didn’t happen is because Kishimoto never took it seriously and actually said she’d be a bad person for moving on from Sasuke lmfao, even if Sasuke died Naruto and Sakura would’ve been turned into Jiraiya and Tsunade 2.0 no doubt. >>287824401Like look at this shit and especially the confession which served no purpose but to shit on the ship, do you actually think Kishimoto gave two fucks about NaruSaku? You took the bait and he fleeced you. Like I see where you’re coming from, the ship seemingly makes sense but when you pay attention to Kishimoto’s words, actions (what he draws and how he writes certain characters) like his attitude towards Sakura you’ll realize the truth.
>>287825703And miss out on one of my favorite series getting the praise it has earned? No thanks.
>>287825637>>287825721see >>287825697
>>287825764I already know Sakurafags were baited. Kishimoto humiliates her way too much to do something like this.
>>287822056I see Sakura shippers are as graceful in defeat as ever.
>>287825827Honestly I'm surprised they're still at it.
>>287822915Ichigo is like 16 so he is underage and Rukia is like 150 years old.
>>287825697you can call him out all you want. it was retarded, ship made sense, Hinata sucks as character so much that they had to retcon several things and give her movie with Sakura's backstory just to make ship viable, but none of these will change the fact that Kishi explicitly told you that Naruto moved on before Shippuden.
narusaku = annoyances to friends to lovers = soul naruhina = strangers to coworkers to married = soulless
>>287825801But why even bait your audience like this in the first place, especially to this >>287825499 extent? Who benefits form this in the long run?
Sakura is hotter than Hinata
>>287825904He didn't wanna make it obvious. Its like how everyone knew Obito knew was still alive as Tobi. >>287825885The movie came out after the manga ended. By then they were already together.
>>287825905The only version of Sakura that is hot is the part 1 loli version with long hair.
>>287825904it was either corporate meddling to create the romance bait with sakura in the first place and it got changed to hinata after it was too late, or corporate meddling forced the change from sakura to hinata. whether way corporate meddling was involved.
>>287825995>corporate meddling was involved.Wrong. If it was Sakura wouldn't have been the heroine in Part 2. Especially when Kishimoto considered making Hinata that after his Sakura push in early Part 2 failed. Stop making fanfic to justify your madness.
>>287825956>He didn't wanna make it obvious. Its like how everyone knew Obito knew was still alive as TobiThe Obito-Tobi deal was actually logical and understandable. >>287825995>corporate meddling forced the change from sakura to hinataFinally, someone here talking some sense!
>>287826049>Finally, someone here talking some senseSee>>287826036
>>287825697You can kick and scream all you want, Kishimoto was never gonna do it. Sakura isn’t a good enough character to keep at this lol
>>287822056sakura spread her ass for naruto but he was like no way fag
>>287826036>Sakura wouldn't have been the heroine in Part 2Bulma has been the key female of DB since chapter/episode 1 even well into the modern day, she is the mother of the Z team in all but the literal sense, that doesn't mean she ever NEEDED to be a potential li for Goku. I don't recall Toriyama ever going to such unnecessary and retarded lengths to tease them just to say "You got PUNK'D" to those invested. >>287826128I'm only saying.
>>287826128This is excatly how the hall of anal devastation happened. Making up fanfic and then believing it for years until reality crashed down upon them.
>>287825904The same reason they baited fujos anon. Easy money from dumbass shippers.>>287825995The only “corporate meddling” came from Kishimoto’s brain, Hinata was barely featured enough to have that kind of pull. I have no clue why people think NaruHina was this big ship back then, the loudest ones was always between the three in team 7. There was a dedicated NaruSaku writer for the filler shit who only stopped after the manga shat on her dreams.
>>287826227Unlike Toriyama Kishimoto liked the idea of a love triangle until he abandoned it due to him not wanting to focus on it. Saying Shueisha forced him to change this or that is lunacy and I genuinely worry for the mental health of those who spew such things.
this gave me an ntr fetishyou aren't supposed to lose in a story
>>287826317Sakura didn't lose as she wasn't a participant.
>>287826268>Hinata was barely featured enough to have that kind of pull.Yea. Kishi himself said something similar
>>287826287>Saying Shueisha forced him to change this or that is lunacyNot Shueisha. It was the anime studio that favored Hinata and boosted her popularity with filler content. This is a secret to nobody.
Hinata is a cute character and Naruto is a nice person so on paper with a competent writer they would work. But in reality their relationship is just Naruto dulling his personality to acomodate his wife's shyness and Hinata still seems self-conscious despite being his literal wife. They don't have natural or comfortable conversations, they aren't playful or act like best friends who happen to be in love. Everything is overly formal between them even in private intimate settings. Fanartists do all of the heavy lifting for the ship and I even like fanon naruhina because I see what they could have been in those artworks. But with narusaku everything is more easygoing and natural. Naruto and Sakura are 100% themselves around each other. They have an understanding of one another's strengths and flaws. They get to be silly and pick on each other and argue and hug and laugh and cry and be playful openly together and can share quiet intimate moments too. With each other they don't have to play a role, they can just be human. This is why I liked them back in 2008 and I like them today and I always will.
>>287826227The difference is that Toriyama bluntly stated that he didn’t give two shits about shipping. He made fun of his editor, Torishima for insisting on Bulma and Goku. He only ever teased the possibility like twice on Bulma’s end to poke fun at it, once at the final tournament when Goku is grown (where Oolong calls her a pedo for it) and another where she laments on missing her chance on Namek.>>287826287No doubt because of the meme that the main girl always has to be the love interest for the MC.
>2026>people STILL mad about Naruto shipswew>>287824401By the time that Sakura starts talking about how she'd commit treason for Sasuke, you knew there was zero chance of her and Naruto being a thing.>>287825499That said, I do remember this being a thing, particularly the part where Minato says that he married a woman that was similar in personality to Sakura or something like that.
>>287826380>his editor, Torishima for insisting on Bulma and GokuBased editor, if it wasn't for him 17,18 and Cell wouldn't exist
>>287826404>Minato says that he married a woman that was similar in personality to Sakura or something like that.Right, and Naruto finding "a girl just like your mother" was his and Kushina's dying wish.
>>287825499These are cherrypicked and the bottom left one is Pierrot nonsense at that.
>>287826457>Pierrot nonsenseSo was the majority of NaruHina.
>>287826373>boosted her popularityShe was already popular before Shippuden aired. Pierrot had a few Sakurafags as well.
>>287826378>But with narusaku everything is more easygoing and natural. Naruto and Sakura are 100% themselves around each other.This is factually wrong if you actually read the manga. There's even a chapter right after meeting Sasuke in Part 2 where Naruto fakes coming up with a date when he was depressed and thinking of Sasuke.
>>287826373That makes even less sense, why the fuck would he bend over for them? Even here >>287826367after he was told about her rising popularity he barely did jack shit with her. It’s the bare minimum with this guy when it comes to the girls.>>287826447Picking a wife like your mother just because they said to is the most saddest shit ever lol. Also don’t forget the bullshit Kishimoto pulls with Sakura barely paying attention to Naruto and her pathetic desperation for Sasuke’s love in the same arc later kek.
>>287826378>They don't have natural or comfortable conversationsWrong.
>>287826447>Naruto finding "a girl just like your mother" was his and Kushina's dying wish.It was Kushina's and anyone with half a brain can tell she meant a person who loved him honestly and to the point of being willing to give her life to protect him like she just did. But of course NaruSakutards can't read the manga.
why can't Nardo have fucked both?
>>287826598That chapter alone is much more meaningful for both characters than anything that ever happened in between Nardo and Pinky.The truth is that really aren't even more NaruSaku than NaruHina moments and that people confuse "development" with "interaction". Yeah, Sakura and Naruto "talk more", but most of the time they're talking about the Sauce or they're talking for story progression. They started to get along a bit better after Naruto's promise to bring back Sasuke, and even though their friendship is okay, all their "depth" is based on Sasuke. Naruto has repeatedly shown an ignorance of Sakura's desires outside of Sasuke since the very beginning, and pretty much every single bit of affection from Sakura towards Naruto in Part II is in the context of Sasuke.
>>287826380>Toriyama bluntly stated that he didn’t give two shits about shippingBASED
>>287826544Pierrot had already been inserting Hinata as much as possible during that time. Stuff like giving her multiple filler episodes that focused on her sex appeal, positioning her center in the openings, show her always thinking about Naruto while blushing and fainting, etc. They aggressively implanted the idea of Hinata as Naruto's love interest where it didn't exist in the manga long before Shippuden and she was still in the position of unrequited love up until Neji's death secured her win. Kishi famously called Neji the cupid that binds them together. Their kids also being named after Neji confirms that.
>>287826709One didn't like him and rape is bad
>>287826729>Pierrot gave a side character contentThat's literally what they're supposed to do. Did you get mad that Ino tagged along with Naruto in filler too? Sakuras reputation was already fucked (in the manga) by 2005.
>>287826380>Toriyama bluntly stated that he didn’t give two shits about shippingShipping is ass, so I can't blame him. He was pretty good at writing Gohan and Videl's budding interest in each other for someone who doesn't like romance, though.
>>287826268>There was a dedicated NaruSaku writer for the filler shit who only stopped after the manga shat on her dreams.Pierrot's anime staff had a bunch of fangirls and shipper called Yuka Miyata who were huge NaruSaku, fans while the rest were NaruHina. She removed Sasuke's smirk of respect after Sakura's attack on the Juubi clone and changed Naruto's expression from neutral to gleeful when joking about Sakura being his girlfriend to Minato. She's also the one behind Road to Ninja, which is why that movie was so heavily NaruSaku and also why Sakura had to be reduced back to her Chapter 3 state for her character arc to work.>>287826729>Pierrot had already been inserting Hinata as much as possible during that time.Nobody with half a brain thinks Pierrot favours Hinata; they were riding that NaruSaku dick all the way through production of Road to Ninja. There are more anime original scenes for Sakura and Naruto than Hinata and Naruto, including scenes where they portray Naruto as a girl-obsessed simp over Sakura. They also altered a lot of scenes from the canon.>Kishi famously called Neji the cupid that binds them together.This includes his role in Part 1.
>>287826793Ino wasn't forced to be Naruto's wife at the pressure of the studio. If that had happened yes I'd be just as disappointed.
>>287826793>Did you get mad that Ino tagged along with Naruto in filler too?Only because we knew she wasn't going to be a real option. Like pouring salt on the wound.
>>287826879>Ino wasn't forced to be Naruto's wife at the pressure of the studioNeither was Hinata considering Kishi did that of his own accord. >>287826883>Only because we knew she wasn't going to be a real option.She literally says she could fall for Naruto outloud in the anime. Something Sakura hadn't done yet. Ino was more likely then Sakura.
>>287826876>Road to NinjaThat movie was just an excuse to sexualize more with some narusaku thrown in at the end. Sakura wasn't handled well at all in that movie.
>>287826933>Sakura wasn't handled well at all in that movie.Kishimoto wrote the story for that film too. He has a thing for humiliating her it seems.
how do i stop suffering like this?why do these faggots keep inserting dubs into my shows?
>>287826992>how do i stop suffering like this? Learning Japanese
>>287826933I meant to say sexualize Hinata but forgot to type Hinata
>>287827017retard im talking about the audio being defaulted to english bakkaaaaa
Naruto ruined the industry so much with it's shitty influence that we will get Luffy with an irrelevant hag instead of Nami. fuck Nardo, it was a disaster, now all shounen are enslaved by Nardo's influence forever, repeating the same cliches and tropes over and over.
>>287827040
Hinata has X-ray vision and would do anything for that 11" cock
>>287826933>Sakura wasn't handled well at all in that movie.Pierrot doesn't handle her well in general aside from giving her some sakuga like for the Sasori battle (or something more like The Last and Boruto), but that's not exclusive of Sakura; pretty much 85% of the characters got flanderized in the anime. It's just the result of Sakura having a more protagonistic role than Hinata (hence she's present more often for them to screw up) and Pierrot's typical move (which screws up characterization) of flanderizing aspects of the characters, which in Sakura's case is the physical violence and the love triangle.The truth is that the anime staff was just not all in agreement about what they wanted and everyone did whatever they wanted. That's why there's NS filler too, maybe even more so than NaruHina filler, as I don't seem to remember any NH filler in part 2, only a couple in part 1. The only thing they were consistent about was giving Naruto as many romantic choices as possible, especially if you add movies and filler characters.>>287826976He only handled the bits related to Naruto's family and Iruka, the rest of Pierrot's fanfiction.
>>287827071Does Nami like Luffy.
>>287827071>we will get Luffy with an irrelevant hag instead of NamiGood. The Straw Hats are better as a family first than a "will they/won't they" mess. Sure, we've got Sanji's simping, but that's always been played for laughs than anything.
>>287822056Biggest ass pull in the series
>>287827115Nuts how the statement is still correct>>287827187Thats filler. Biggest asspull was Zetsu.
>>287827187>that picnon canon btw
>>287826976Kishi came up with the story concept for RtN but he didn't write the movie. The only movie he truly wrote was Boruto and that set back Hinata and the reputation of naruhina's marriage suffered after he made her care more about Naruto's feelings while invalidating Boruto's, and instead of joining the final fight with Sakura she regressed back to a fainting damsel.
>>287827311I was referring to the manga and gaiden. He's not called the King of Keks for nothing. Its like hes got a fetish for shitting on Sakura.
>>287827252>>287827267She was still his love interest
>>287827361Hinata? Yes we know. Sakura wanted the sause.
>>287827187That's filler and right after the failfession at that. Retarded shit like this is why people say the anime is biased towards NaruSaku.>>287827252Which statement? I just mean most of RtN isn't really his doing aside from the general concept (family, the alternate personalities of Konoha 11). It's not like The Last where he personally supervised and forced Pierrot (more accurately, scriptwriter Mauro) to change everything he didn't like or agree with to his liking, on top of writing and adding elements like the scarf.
>>287827393>Which statementThe one about kishi treating sakura like crap in the manga.
>>287827342Gaiden was just a silly oneshot taking the piss out of sasukarin and people who think Sasuke doesn't love Sakura despite him being shown to like her in the part 1 manga. Him trying to kill her is also a double standard since he tried to kill Naruto too. As neutral as I am to sasusaku the ship only triggers incels who hate seeing women go after what they want instead of waiting to be courted.
>>287827361>Shit i posted hinata
>>287827417Oh yeah, she also kinda sucked/was unlikable in the manga too.
>>287827173Luffy will end up with either Boa or Nami and it will cause a shitstorm beyond the scope of Naruto Bleach and AoT combined
>>287827442>Gaiden was just a silly oneshotHe literally cucked Sakura until the very end.
>>287827071>Naruto ruined the industry so much with it's shitty influence that we will get Luffy with an irrelevant hag instead of NamiI preffer that to modern mangaka making their MCs eternal virgins like Yuji and Denji
>>287827576The final punchline being she actually was never cucked and it was a misunderstanding on the part of a child. The only ones cucked were sasusakin shippers.
>>287826853This was at the beginning. Even in Dr Slump he said he didn’t care and only added shipping because of his editor. With Goku and Bulma though he finally put his foot down.>>287827576I can’t imagine why any author would put their characters through humiliation rituals unless they hated the characters or something. Say what you will about that last movie, I would rather have that than the shitty telenova fake-out cuck shit. I swear that was monthly or weekly or something, that must have been horrifying for a pinkfag to go through.
>>287827623>was a misunderstanding on the part of a child.Which wasn't revealed until the end.
>>287822429>Femanons
>>287825132This is some damn good stuff
>>287827699Yes >>287822630
>>2878276442014 and the few years after it was hell on earth on Sakura fans.>chapter 700>HOAD/fans mocking up sakura fans>The Last>Kishimoto shitting on Sakura/NS in interviews>Gaiden>cuck memesIt was brutal.
>>287827679That's how punchlines work, yeah.
>>287822462Supposedly even Hitler watched it
>>287822056The only thing good i liked that cane out of NS was the OC love child.>He doesn’t have any out-of-nowhere eyes,>He doesn’t have any Ōtsutsuki inside him,>He’s just a kid with slightly above average chakra reserves and excellent chakra control.>He’s also only at 40% because he stores chakra for the 100 healings seal.>He’s a much better protagonist than even Naruto. He isn’t the reincarnate of anyone, he doesn’t have special chakra reserves, no dojutsu,>He’s just smart with good chakra control.
>>287827751You mean NaruSaku tards, the SasuSakus were probably fine though (aside from when the DNA test chapter in Gaiden came out).
>>287827852Yea
>>287827809Pumiih was based and she invented saruto is she lady gt ??
>>287827809Naruto would never have that unc haircut in the narusaku universe. His hair would be longer like Minato
>>287827852It was hard to see Sakura go through that but also vindicating to an extent. We always knew Sasuke wasn't a good match for her and it solidified that a lot of ssfags just enjoy toxicity and degredation if it leads to a bare minimun "reward" in the end. At least ns shippers want Sakura to be happy without having to beg for it.
>>287822056Hinata is a side character, she wasn't guaranteed anything. It speaks volumes about Sakura as a character that people place them on the same level, the bitch is supposed to be the tritagonist.
>>287827960>At least ns shippers want Sakura to be happy without having to beg for it.Idk, they just seem to misinterpret their characters by reducing Sakura to a trophy and Naruto to some tragic martyr. Their amount of mental gymnastics and conspiracy theory-type nonsense is off the charts.
>>287822056>Naruto and Sakura never became a thing for one reason and one reason only and that is Hinata wouldn't serve any purpose otherwiseYou forgot the part where Naruto and Sakura would need to actually spend on-panel time bonding with each other, and remove the bit from Chapter 3 where Naruto only wanted Sakura to crave his acknowledgment needs instead of Sasuke's. Sasuke and Hinata would also both need to be removed as romantic options, and their relationship would need to be reframed as a healthy representation of the story's themes and characters' wants and needs instead of, you know, the opposite of that, to be even remotely serviceable.And even if you remove their canon love interests from the equation, NaruSaku still wouldn't be a plausible romance without adding to and/or altering the relationship itself. Since you're left with a dogged Nice Guy trying to win a girl as a prize, Naruto and Sakura entering a romance in that context would be tantamount to breaking the Aesop Naruto learns about understanding the village and working with it instead of for it, while also having Sakura fail to pull her weight on the team and resign herself to being Naruto's trophy instead of his partner.That's not the appropriate culmination of "700 chapters of development" or the expression of feminist self-respect that the NaruSaku tards think it is.
Naruto would've been happier with Sakura and this is a fact
People who always like to say narusaku shippers see Sakura as a trophy for Naruto are often the ones who treat Naruto as a trophy for Hinata/Sasuke as a trophy for Sakura. The main draw of Naruto and Sakura is the chemistry and people can't deny that part so they drive home that "she only loves sauce" or "he moved on after part 1" but we like them because of chemistry not who deserves them more or who owes having their feelings returned which is how naruhina and sasusaku shippers talk mostly.
>>287828259He was. Being with Hinata sucked the life and light out of him.
I fell asleep watching The Last for the first time
>>287828267>The main draw of Naruto and Sakura is the chemistryThe chemistry in question.
>>287828317Sakura haters lacking emotional intelligence is another day that ends "y"
>>287822056While this is true you could also have Naruto cheat on her with both Sasuke and Sakura.Hinata is weak willed enough that even if she found out she wouldn't do anything about it.
>>287828239>feminist self-respectYeah, because SasuSaku is all bout that, right?
>>287828006Hinata "fans" do not love her at all my fucling christ. You don't even deserve to be called waifufags. You hold her in as much contempt as you hold Sakura.
>>287828485Then what DO they love?
>>287828441Sakura fans are so blind they don't even see how Naruto doesn't notice her sadness about Tsunade and how she needs cheering up.>>287828466That was after she tried to kill him first and with his brain fucked from all the eyehax bullshit during the 5RS arc.>>287828485Weird projecting Anon.
>>287828536>It wasn't his fault, officer! He just used his too much! kek
>>287828536>Naruto doesn't notice her sadness about Tsunade and how she needs cheering upShe was hiding her emotions like Naruto has also done with her. They were dumb teenagers at the time but I'd still take occasional communication issues with good intentions over robotically saying each other's names with forced reverence as a substitute for real conversation. If anything Sakura was in the wrong for people pleasing when she needed comfort. They're both idiots here.
>>287828608>He just used his EYES too much!Sorry. But my point stands.
>>287828485Explain, please.
>>287828630>She was hiding her emotions like Naruto has also done with her. Yes, and he doesn't pick that up at all, despite Tsunade being her teacher and thus being able to relate to her after dealing with Jiraiya's death over the past two arcs. He only notices she's sad when Tazuna brings up Sasuke. That's the shit I'm talking about: when Sakura is emotional about something related to Sasuke, Naruto can pick up on her feelings. But when she's feeling down about something that has nothing to do with Sasuke, Naruto doesn't notice at all.Conversely, Sasuke does notice those moments and steps in to support her back in Part 1. The person whose sadness Naruto notices, regardless of Sasuke,is Hinata. Both Naruto and Sasuke are able to realize when their future partners are feeling down, even without words.> They're both idiots here.Yes, so you agree they don't have good chemistry. They don't even match the Yin and Yang bullshit of this series.>>287828660>But my point stands.It's pretty evident that Sasuke isn't "sane"/being himself in that arc. He fought 300 shinobis prior to dealing with Orochimaru and he didn't kill a single one of them on purpose.
>>287828770They call Sakura useless while "praising" Hinata for the same things but it's because she ended up with Naruto. It's also true that Sakura "fans" do the same.
>>287822056I always liked the idea of them being together honestly.Can someone fix sakuras outfit.
>>287828903Headcanon.
>>287828858>That's the shit I'm talking about: when Sakura is emotional about something related to Sasuke, Naruto can pick up on her feelings. But when she's feeling down about something that has nothing to do with Sasuke, Naruto doesn't notice at all.This isn't true but even if it was then what excuse does he have for being completelt unaware or uncaring for Hinata's feelings all the time? After ignoring her revival in the Pain arc and ghosting her after the War arc Hinata looked like a fool still chasing after him.
>>287828858>more battered wife babble Hard to say what "sane"/being himself entails for Sasuke, even at that point.
>>287828981It's the most common thing though. Sakura and Hinata fags cannot look objectively at themselves so they only point fingers at each other.
>>287825499You're completely fucking insane,this was never a fucking thing,you are more stupid than my 15yo self and I ate my boogers and cum
>>287822056>wouldn't serve any purpose otherwiseas it that mattered to Shitimoto, most of hiscxharacters are terrible
>>287822150>goes to America>grows a noseA smart individual
>>287828982>then what excuse does he have for being completelt unaware or uncaring for Hinata's feelings all the time?Just say you didn't read the manga.>After ignoring her revival in the Pain arcYou mean he nearly unleashed Kurama due to being so angry at her being struck down and cried tears of joy after finding out she was safe?>ghosting her after the War arc Hinata looked like a fool still chasing after him.She literally says to herself that she will stand by his side in a chapter before 615 and then Naruto repeats the same wording to her. I think you might be the dumbass here.>>287829029>It's the most common thing though.Maybe if you're retarded and can't spot the difference. Hinata has few scenes but they are all high-quality, supportive towards the MC and complement the themes being dealt with during each arc.
>>287829128>Hinata has few scenes but they are all high-quality, supportive towards the MC and complement the themes being dealt with during each arc.The exact tmcan be said to Sakura regarding Sasuke. I would willingly bet Sakura loves Sasuke far more than Hinata loves Naruto.
>>287829128>She literally says to herself that she will stand by his side in a chapter before 615 and then Naruto repeats the same wording to her. I think you might be the dumbass here.Which is why he immediately ignored her and her feelings for 2-3 years after.
>>287829309False equivalency.>>287829325Yeah, like when he sensed her plea of help when the Infinite Tsukuyomi took over and was going to rush to her side. And the moment he understood it as romantic, he returned her feelings, you jackass.
>>287829404If he "returned" her feelings as you claim, then he willfully ignored her after that knowing how she felt and pretended not to know.
>>287826378Holy shit, anon, you read way too much fanfiction, because Naruto and Sakura’s relationship is nothing like this in canon. They aren’t even shown hanging out in their free time. They’re only friends because they’re both attached to Sasuke.
>>287826709maybe he's not a cuck like you
>>287829639He's subconsciously returning her feelings, dumbass incapable of understanding nuance. His wording in 615 directly mirrors her own thoughts in 573. That pic from their scene in 559 is also meant to show they share a special bond that's different from the one with their comrades. It means that Hinata understands Naruto, and Naruto has reached the same level of understanding; that's exactly why he can say "I can tell just by looking into your eyes" back to her. Kiba's "You don't have to act tough just 'cause you're in front of Hinata, Naruto!" in 611 is also a pretty obvious NaruHina flag.But you're just moving the goalposts from the previous claim about how Naruto is incapable of understanding Sakura's character aside from Sasuke. 600+ fucking chapters in, and he outright tells her to stay in the kitchen when they reunite with Sasuke in the war, unaware that that's precisely the last thing Sakura wants to hear.
Uzumaki should've been amazonians clan
>>287828267Post an example of their “chemistry”, instead of throwing around this silly subjective buzzword like it means anything.Or is clashing personalities of two characters that have zero things in common outside of their shared obsessive with another character considered “chemistry”?
Kishimoto never gave a rats ass about Sakura to begin with and regrets including her. He was forced to. That’s why he never fleshed her out or described her family: he didn’t give a fuck any more than the fans did.
>>287829921The more you try to justify how terribly written naruhina is in canon the more Naruto looks like a manipulative sociopath and Hinata looks like a handmaiden. Kishi is a hack.
>>287822056It didnt happen because Sakura displayed multiple times that she refused to respect Naruto as a person and Naruto wised up and realized she would never feel the same after he sees the lengths she goes for Sasuke.ALL of you SakuNaru shippers are stuck in that same simphole Naruto woke the fuck up from and realized that Hinata was ready to be the Sakura to his Sasuke with shit like that.>>287825583>like rukiafagsRukiafags are legit to cry about their ship not sailing. It had a lot of leverage to work out and Orihime was not one of Bleaches more exciting characters to take stsge.
>>287829760I didn't read any fanfics or doujins I'm just not a Pierrot-brained narutoforums refugee like the majority of nh warriors.
>>287830224Your deranged fanfiction is still not an argument.>>287830288>I'm just not a Pierrot-brained narutoforums refugeeDeliberately ignoring Pierrot's blatant NaruSaku propaganda in the anime whenever convenient, I see.
>>287830288Then explain the bullshit you just said, anon. Because again, nothing you said about Naruto and Sakura, or even Naruto and Hinata, is anywhere in the manga. So I can only assume you confuse shit you read from fanfiction to how the two characters actually behave in canon.
>>287830363Pierrot was overwhelmingly Hinata biased compared to whatever low quality narusaku bait that managed to slip through the cracks. There's a reason why most narusaku chads were manga readers and naruhina chuds are anime onlies 99% of the time.
>>287830330>Had to dress like Sakura to get Naruto to finally notice her
>Chie Nakamura: With the latest developments, Sakura has...>Kishimoto: That chick is detestable for using Naruto's good will, but, well that's just how I'd think to write a realistic girl. You hear all the time that Sakura is a detestable person, but that's what seems to be the intention.
>>287822056Kishi shit writing mostly
>>287830452Just ignore that Sakura has 9x more screentime in the anime than Hinata and several movies where she's a main character, never mind them using her to turn Naruto in a even more Mary Stu character and girls magnet >>287826876.Just because Sakura's treatment by Pierrot sucked doesn't equate to Pierrot supporting or pushing for Hinata. But in reality, Pierrot ALSO flanderized Hinata. Where do you think the stalker allegations come from? Pierrot's idea of Hinata filler was generally amplifying her fainting and turning, for example. They reduced her to a weak and overly dependent child anytime Naruto was around (and even when he wasn't around). They amplified her social anxiety (that she received from abuse from her father) into an annoying moe-blob recurring gag, which wasn't present in the manga.
>>287830556Sakura isn't a real person for fuck's sake he wrote this garbage heap himself and acts like it just manifested out of nowhere. Ruined her character because he was too lazy to develip Hinata. Kishi is a HACK
>>287830662You're not actually trying to pretend Pierrot weren't almost entirely Hinatafags. They even gave her a solo ending
>>287830739Just saying. He never wanted to do a love triangle.https://web.archive.org/web/20180330022613/https://imgur.com/a/4Fouv
Then theres this interview:On Sakura’s popularity & character - Kobayashi then asks about Sakura. Kishimoto says he tried to write her more realistically [than other characters], and tried to show a girl’s ‘real’ self/ feelings [through inner Sakura]. He thought she would appeal to female fans, but was surprised when she actually became hated. Kobayashi asks if there was a lot of Sakura hate, and Kishimoto says there was, and even young girls told him they hate her. Kishimoto said that he continued on regretting Sakura’s character. Kobayashi apologizes for bringing up the painful memories as Kishimoto apologizes for tailing off (lol).Kobayashi said that his team were discussing in a meeting why Sakura’s family was never written. He says that they eventually appeared in a movie, but not in the manga. Even when all the parents are shown along with their children during the war, and even random relatives are shown, Sakura’s parents aren’t seen. He says that they came across like a civilian family and kind of made Sakura seem on the side-lines. He asks Kishimoto why this is, and Kishimoto replies that, honestly speaking, Sakura was that unpopular that even if he expanded on her… (nb. He tails off in what he’s saying). Kobayashi reiterates Kishimoto’s statement, and Kishimoto tells him that’s right, to which Kobayashi laughs.
>>287830882Kobayashi asks if it was too late to drop her, and Kishimoto says that he just had to persevere with her, and thought about how to raise her popularity. In the 4th volume, a cover page shows her with Katsuyu, so this was the direction he tried to work in. In later volumes, he tries to draw her more beautifully. On the cover page of Vol 66, he drew Sasuke and Naruto quickly, but with Sakura he took a long time to draw her beautifully and was using source materials as guides. But he says that in the end no one really took notice (it had no effect), and Hinata’s popularity just kept going up on its own.Kishimoto explains that Hinata, like Sakura, never really did anything but her popularity just kept going up and up, so part way through the story he started to wonder whether he should make her the main heroine instead, or at least gradually write her into the direction of the heroine. https://web.archive.org/web/20170924111946/http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:164031
>>287830798Moving the goalposts + and so they did to Sakura, your point being? Again, refer to >>287827115. What you call "bias" isn't really a good thing when they just misrepresent the characters and made them look retarded for most of the time. Also, I think Hinata's ED looks like shit.>>287830854Yeah that's another thing, people still don't know or understand that it was Yahagi who told Kishi to add Sasuke and Sakura and set up the "love triangle" in Naruto. This includes Naruto's shallow, unserious crush.
>>287828485>incoherent ramblingTake the L, little bitch.
You'll rarely find a character in fiction with a better ass.
narusaku would never be written like this. naruhina may be mid and their shippers are annoying cunts but sasusaku is so bad that it actually feels bad to shit on them because shipping canon sasusaku is punishment enough.
>>287822056Most of the other side characters lack a purpose too though, doesn't mean Naruto is fucking them on the side.
>>287830596you just know
>>287831148Naruto and Sakura would be warm, loving, attentive parents. Their child would never have this thousand yard trauma stare at 12 years old BECAUSE of them. They would have a healthy work-life balance and not leave them wondering why they never come home or don't show up for birthdays.
>>287831148it's funny though
>>287831127Faggot
>>287831275cry some more
>>287831016Meanwhile no one has even attempted to prove their love for Hinata-sama and now if that happrens it's because they needed to be prompted. In their hearts they know she's a husk of a character who is mainly only liked out of spite for another character
>>287831269Shit this is still funny. Sakura I'm sorry
>>287830452>narusaku chadsLmao
>>287831269Your general reminder that Sakura being confirmed the adoptive mother of Sarada would make her a literal saint and save her character.
>>287831324You have fucktons of posts and essays written over the span of 20+ years where people explain why they like her character. Stop with your mentally disabled strawman.
>Naruto actually believed Sasuke had a baby with Karin and dumped the kid on Sakura. Like war flashbacks... it's all coming back to me...
>>287831324We don't need be so defensive about her the way you are with Sakura. We understand Hinata's flaws and limitations as a character and only wish Kishimoto gave her a fully realized arc, fleshed out romance and maybe a battle or two. Every single pro-Sakura and pro-NS post i've seen reads like someone trying to convince anyone who would listen (as well as himself) that Sakura's hate is unwarranted and NaruSaku would've been the best thing in the world.
>>287831451You do not truly love your waifu if you can only talk about why another girl is shit but not put in the same energy to talk about why you love her. What you really love is hating Sakura.
>>287831584To be fair...Sakura really sucks.
>>287831584That's Naruto's waifu; you're the one who started claiming that Hinata's fans are fakers. Maybe you should focus on Sakura yourself.
>>287822056People can just be friends you know that right?
>NaruSaku in 2026I can't believe it's been 10 years since the fallout...
This objectively looks better than NaruHina
>>287831567>We don't need be so defensive about her the way you are with Sakura. Yet you are. Obsessively so.>We understand Hinata's flaws and limitations as a character and only wish Kishimoto gave her a fully realized arc, fleshed out romance and maybe a battle or two.That's exactly how Salura fans feel and yet you're unwilling to admit thia because then you'd have to admit you're exactly the same>Every single pro-Sakura and pro-NS post i've seen reads like someone trying to convince anyone who would listen (as well as himself) that Sakura's hate is unwarranted and NaruSaku would've been the best thing in the world.Every Hinata and NH post reads like someone trying to convince themselves that a place of burnt toast they're being forced to eat is still better than having an empty plate. We're objectively all pathetic for clinging so hard to characters Kishi never gave a shit about and openly bragged for years about manipulating our young minds for money but no one wants to be the first one to say it and so we will keep going on and on like this until the day we finally stop this fruitless shit flinging. Yes I'm re alizing this as I'm writing because I do actually grow tired of this. I'll probably go back to calling you all fags in a future thread while pretending I'm not just as retarded for still being here.
>>287825132Sakurasisters... why is she so flat for a hag?
>>287831127most honest post on this thread
>>287825885>Hinata sucks as character so much that they had to retcon several things Because Kishimoto straight-up stopped writing her after the chunin exam. If he kept up the pace of the love story set by >>287826598 and Hinata's own personal arc from Neji's fight, we'd have a great character on our hands. As it is, we have a decent one that suffers from the lack of focus/battles and Kishi's annoying tendency to undermine her either for Naruto wank or to show how bad things are.>and give her movie with Sakura's backstory just to make ship viableThe ship was viable long before that but go off. And that backstory was just canonising what happened in anime.
>>287831786It's hotter
>>287831715Zoomers just got in to this and well history repeats itself.
>>287831848>>287831768It’s mostly the colors narutos blue eyes and blonde hair with sakuras green eyes and pink hair.
>>287831865What the fuck are you talking about? Zoomers went through all of this shit. I'm 28 and I remember niggastream, I remember, NarutoGET, I remember the meltdowns after chapter 700. Hell, I remember the design leaks for The Last
>>287825885>Hinata sucks as character so much that they had to retcon several thingsBut enough about NaruSasu.>and give her movie with Sakura's backstory just to make ship viableNone of that happened and that scene doesn't justify anything, it just tells you when they meet. Nothing in the manga states they never knew each other beforehand.
i thought women liked bad boys
I bet Naruto wouldn't be sleeping on coaches if he were married to Sakura
I think we can all agree that Sakura and Hinata were both terribly written
>>287831778You know what, you're right. The joke's on us for taking that shit so seriously. It's all a matter of taste at the end of the day and whether you can ignore Kishimoto's character assassinations and general hackery to enjoy the characters/romance. But i still maintain that we are more honest about Hinata :)
>>287831973*couches
>>287831842NH is unironically a victim of its own early success; there was no way to one-up the proud failure speech without having them either become a thing mid-story or have Hinata step into/undermine Sakura's and Sasuke's toes. See how Kishi had to keep making up flashbacks about muh Team 7 bond soon after that.>>287831992I genuinely think Hinata is a good character. Nearly every chapter with her in it was great.
>>287831992Duh.At least Hinata grew up hot.
>>287831992TrueTsunade and Temari are better
>>287832064Yes, especially the character with no writing or development whatsoever, just because she's bitchy.
That anon who said in the last Sakura bait thread that Hinata and Sakura fans should join forces in united hatred of Kishi for fucking over our girls was right and I know it but I don't see it happening anytime soon.Also I apologize for saying Hinata fans never loved her. I was obviously baiting since people say this about Sakura fans all the time. I'm tired of seeing Sakura get shit on for the same thins Hinata gets which is the bare minimum. I hate it for both of them because Kishi makes some of the most potentially interesting female characters in shonen and sabotages them every time they get a chance to shine. I'm actually thankful to Studio Pierrot for attempting to make these characters have a personality. It's because of Kishi's stupid writing choices that they're so hated. No shonen writer despises writing women more than him. He shouldn't have been forced to write women in the first place because he obviously fucking hates it.
>>287832000>But i still maintain that we are more honest about Hinata :)Yeah well, I think The Last is a neat movienand enjoy it more than Road to Ninja.
>>287827115>I don't seem to remember any NH filler in part 2There were a couple of cute omakes and Naruto and Hinata ate ramen together in some episode. And that scene where Hinata faints after seeing Naruto for the first time since part 1 was extended and included a line that sounds like Naruto was asking her out.
To many fucking parallels
>>287832203>posts kishi master baiting
>>287832176Oh yeah? I think that Sakura is decently written and despite her at times cuntish attitude and lapses in judgement means well, how about that?
>>287832203Lol that one actually is a good parralel aside from kishis trolling because Dan and tsunade are nardos grandparents and sakura is tsunades student.
Hinata on my cock and Sakura on my face
>>287832330>Women like pathetic guys who are hopelessly devoted to them and seem like bad boys to everyone but releals his vulnerable side only to her.What about all that stuff, but without the "bad boy in public" part?
>>287832109A lot of your views on this are pretty shallow mate. SP didn't write what made Sakura and Hinata appealing to people, Kishi did. On the contrary, they flanderized and made dumb quirks for every character including Naruto and Sasuke. For Sakura it was increasing her punching of Naruto, for Hinata they made her obscenely shy and faint all the time. Hinata in some ways is like a different character in the manga in terms of her confidence; she literally only faints once in the manga, and it's when Naruto returns after training with Jiraiya and suddenly gets way too close to her face. Pierrot turned her social anxiety that she received from abuse from Hiashi into a moe-blob gag.>>287832193That's still way less than in Part 1 and nowhere as huge as this >>287827187 bullshit. Do you remember any more "meaningful"/fun ones in Shippuden? I checked the Hanabi special and that one episode just called "NARUTO · HINATA", but both were pretty retarded. Even just cute shit like eating ramen together is just fine by me, as long as it doesn't go full romcom dumb. I actually liked The Last because at least the characters behaved as I would expect them from the manga, probably because Kishi revised the script and Maruo isn't retarded like the scriptwriters at Pierrot.
>>287832109If it were me and i was making a part three to shippuden.>first of all sasuke yea sasuke can go marry a random girl in his travels instead of konoha girls.>sakura and hinata , sakura goes 180 and is on narutos cock it would be the big ass girl vs the big boob girl.>tsunade in hag cooger mode for nardos cock.>shizune the same but she can get kakashi kakashi deserves a wife.>rammen girl choji is with that
>>287832394There are plenty of geek lovers out there. They're just not the same kinds of women who go for brooding bad boys. You have to fly your flag to find your tribe.
>>287832515Bleh. Figures.
>>287825905Based
>>287831992Sakura had the POTENTIAL to be well written but Kishi is a genuine hack
>>287832674Either Hinata or even Hiashi dying instead of Neji would have worked in the war arc. Having Neji die like fodder for the main family like he was born to do is just garbage. At least if Hinata died, it would work for both the Hyuga plotline and Naruto's character.
Unironically i think the best way Hinata and NaruHina could've been written is if she died somewhere along the way, either after they started getting close during chunin exams, Pain's arc or even during war arc in Neji's place and NH forever remained a sad "what could've been", a painful memory that would follow Naruto for the rest of his life or until Naruto meets her ghost due to Hagoromo shenanigans and finds closure.
>>287832803Thats way too sad for Kishimoto. Putting her on Team 7 while also making sure she doesn't show up as much as Sakura originally did would be enough.
>>287832203How can this be a parallel when the left never even happened and Dan fucking died?
>>287832193>And that scene where Hinata faints after seeing Naruto for the first timeThis is how i would've introduced her if it was up to me. Maybe she would be relaxing after the training session and took her hoodie off to cool herself down and then Naruto sees her and they try to have a talk and it's awkward as hell but also cute. She could faint after Naruto tries to complement her, ahem, growth.
>>287832944NaruSaku died along with him.
>>287825905It's true, they even changed eye shape of hinata and ino to match sakura.
>>287832962It was already long dead by then
>>287822056>12 years later the Hall of Anal Devastation continuesWhat a sad existence
>>287832981Bust out cranial measurements while you're at it.
Can we stop pretending that Hinata isn't just a consolation prize for Naruto?
>>287833234Instead of that you should end this obsession over your crackship. Its been like 10 years now.
>>287833234Even if she is, what is your image supposed to prove? "Oh Hinata sucks so much, she has fears and insecurities instead of mogging everyone with her innate superiority and authorial bias"?
>>287833397Not much of a fan of NaruSaku, I just find Naruto and Sakura's interactions cute.Also I don't like how they erased Naruto's crush on Sakura in the Last
>>287833648Fair enough
>>287832951Hinata's sweaty pits...
>>287833648There is a specific reason why naruto like sakura besides her forehead.
>>287828239Sakura spent most of the first two arcs bonding with Naruto in Part 2. Then Kishimoto spent the next arcs hyping up Shikamaru for an arc that goes nowhere. It's easy to forget that Sakura took out Sasori. She said that she doesn't like Naruto being immature but likes him being crafty like weapon transformation or using brain to outwit Kakashi. It's generally agreed the stress of missions made Naruto more angry.
The better solution
>>287833397>crackshipis supposed mean pairing two characters who NEVER EVEN SPEAK TO EACH OTHER, ie. SasuHina or characters from completely different shows.
>>287832203Sakura said she can't handle Naruto being the nine tailed fox cause it's too weird for her.>>287832294I find the manga falls apart without Sakura and is disjointed. Shikamaru cannot carry the manga cause he has no dynamic. Search for Tsunade was kept going by Orochimaru being a sperg and Naruto being crafty
>>287822056Why did /a/ lie about Kishimoto inventing all the eye bullshit and turning ninja into wizards? That stuff doesn't even come from The Kouga Ninja Scrolls, but rather dates back to Edo era theater. If anything, it's the American>ninja in a black outfitthat's always been inaccurate nonsense.
>>287834034>Anon discovers that everything is derivativeWell, that's the first step I guess.
Reminder that kishi's current editor and kishi's wife thought Naruto is going to marry Sakura
>>287834004No its for pairings that had low or no chances of happening. Which is what NS was considering Sakura didn't love Naruto that way. >>287834034/a/ only knows about irl ninja. Not the mythological ninja that Naruto was based on. Kishi is not subtle at all about it.
>>287834034Orochimaru has the excuse of hiring people to work as sound ninjas. Shame the genin and sound four didn't make it into Part 2.
>>287834091>kishi's current editorHe doesn't have an editor rn
>>287834093It HAD chance(s), Kishi simply passed on them.
>>287834129>>287834091my bad, meant to say Kishi's first editor Yahagi
>>287834133No since Sakuras crush was consistent throughout.
>>287834129Well, no wonder his work went to shit, considering it was his editor who had to save his dumbass.
>>287834034Where does the eye-bullshit appear in mythological ninja stories?
>>287834175He's the reason Sakura has her crush on Sasuke at all. If anything you should hate him for giving Kishimoto the idea the series needed a heroine at all.
>>287834014>Sakura said she can't handle Naruto being the nine tailed fox cause it's too weird for her.Head cannon,Instead she feels guilt for not understanding him earlier , She begins to genuinely care about his well-being, not just his strength.Never did hinata pose these feelings.
>>287827115>>287832405SP flanderized Hinata in some scenes and humanized her in others, she's more lively in the anime and has several funny and cute scenes. And some semblance of rapport with other characters.
If kishi was a good writer, he would have made Sakura outgrow her crush on Sasuke and marry Naruto OR don't have any implied romantic interactions with NaruSaku. (similar to Goku and Bulma)
>>287834228>She begins to genuinely care about his well-beingShe can't even understand that he's trying to save Sasuke of his own accord. Even Kiba knew but not her.>>287834286>Sakura outgrow her crush on Sasuke and marrySomeone that isnt Naruto. She hits Naruto when hes being himself. It just wouldn't work. Or make Sakura not get with anyone at all and make her even more like Tsunade
>>287834286This. Why was this so hard to say earlier? Why keep dancing around the issue?
>>287834286He should've had Sakura and Hinata subtly vying for Naruto's attention.
>>287834329>She hits Naruto when hes being himself. It just wouldn't work.Guess you're not a Ranma or Inuyasha fan.
>>287834334>dancingHe never did that aside from baiting retards. Kishimoto and Sakura herself made it painfully clear she loved Sasuke. I'm not sure how you can ignore that part of her.
>>287834355>Ranma or InuyashaIn those the girl liked the MC. Sakura did not. You're asking for a complete rewrite of Sakura at this point.
>>287834253Not the kind of "cute and funny Hinata dancing on water" gif i've expected...
>>287834228You people live in a fantasy world if you think Hinata, who called Naruto a proud failure and admired him for his ability to never give up despite his lack of strength, only cared about just his strength and not his well being. You’re illiterate, so no wonder you think NaruSaku ever had a chance. >>287834286Sakura moving on to Naruto because he was nice to her wouldn’t have magically been good writing. Funny thing about NaruSaku fags is they don’t think Naruto outgrowing his crush in Sakura is a good thing, but everybody else should.
>>287834355NTA but I am actually, and you obviously aren't, if you can't understand the difference.
>>287834384Post it.
>>287834386You think MHA fans would accept Deku just moving on from Ochako to hit up Jirou?
>>287834458The difference is that Demi and Ochako had mutual romantic interest and nobody was really competing other than a psycho who was horny for both of them. Sakura only ever saw Naruto as a friend and was in love with Sasuke since they were 12. Retarded comparison.
>>287834548*Deku Thanks autocorrect.
>>287834548Pretty sure Sakura liked Sasuke even before chapter 1 too
>>287822056
>>287834386>>287834595So, women are allowed to win their childhood crushes but not men? I thought this was shounen made for US!
>>287834614Kek
>>287828267>>287828317>>287830138Most of the time what people mean by "chemistry" is characters smiling and looking vaguely comfortable in each other's presence.
>>287822150Is this supposed to be white face ?
>>287822630Lucy should've been paired with Gray, Naza or even Navia would've both been much much better pairings
>>287834705Tell that to the anon who who plays janny for FT threads.
>>287834705>Navia>bright haired idiot hero x dark haired stalker girl Hmm . . .
>>287834976And that's why Kishi's still married.
>>287834614Fucking lol lmao.
>>287835015Kishi’s wife is pretty much sakura even stated by oda lmao.
>>287822056Sakura's purpose is to appear in rule 34 where she begrudgingly performs favors for Naruto
>>287833648>Also I don't like how they erased Naruto's crush on Sakura in the LastChapter 3 already explained why, and it was all about wanting Sasuke's acknowledgment; it's not related to her character in any capacity. The moment he matures emotionally, that crush goes away quickly because this is a coming-of-age story. Once he no longer needs external validation to know who he is, she stops being this symbolic prize and becomes his teammate and friend.
>>287834169Yahagi didn't think that, scroll up for what they said.
>>287834355Funny you mention these, their anime adaptations are the most fucked and manipulated of all of Rumiko's works (MAPPA's version aside).
>>287835278And Kishi started Naruto before meeting his wife and getting married.
>>287835494You just reminded me of pic related
>>287835583The scarf that somehow survived pains nuclear blast
>>287835875Love conquers all
>>287825499he wanted a wife not a mom
>>287835875Clothes are the most powerful items in Naruto.
>>287835583Cutemoto....
>>287832934Hinata has this "doomed pure girl" quality. She seems like the kind of person the ninja world would chew up and spit out. It's a shame the manga doesn't bother to give her any internal conflict over being involved in such a horrific system and never questions what it actually means for such a person to choose the life of violence.
>>287835583tbf, the scarf thing is so cringe, first, because we always see konoha in summer, not even in autumn. I just assumed it was always summer in there. second, hinata sees naruto wearing a scarf and assumes it was a present from his gf. wut
>>287836411The movie takes place in winter and she assumed he got the green scarf from one of these opportunist whores back at Ichiraku.
>>287830798You actually retarded. How much endings does Sakura have focused on her and with her team? Holy shit, that sketch really did portray Sakurafags correctly, a single ending was enough for you guys to tweak out.
This is why one piece is the better manga no shipping faggotry
>>287836933there's a ton of ships in that manga what do you mean?
>>287836933he looks retarded
>>287836978
>>287832176As a hinatafag, i hated that movie for basically pissing away the best opportunity to give Hinata an actual arc. They should've leaned into her family drama and internal struggles instead of scarf bullshit. Make her suffer from PTSD, survivors guilt over Neji's death, all that good stuff. Show her being disgusted with herself and trying to become stronger at any cost, immersing herself in training and ninja work. Mission to save Hanabi should've been much more personal for Hinata, her motivation and a chance to redeem herself in her own eyes for letting Neji die. The romance should've either been bittersweet because she knows she must reject Naruto or had more chemistry and heart. Toneri should've been more threatening and required both their efforts to took down instead of being just another body for Naruto to punch while Hinata watches. I can go on.
>>287831715These threads are always circular redundant nonsense and not even the endearing kind. How many times does someone need to talk about hypothetical relationship scenarios for a series that cemented its endgame pairings a decade ago. Legitimately feels like a chatbot talking to itself and never being satisfied with hearing that Hinata ended up with the MC and so it continues to ramble about nothing
>>287836390Writing is hard, you will get "muh ninja way" every so often and you will LOVE it! t. Kishimoto
>>287832405>SP didn't write what made Sakura and Hinata appealing to people, Kishi didIdk, Hinata's confession episode was great and better than the manga. Some filler episodes improved on her as well.>for Hinata they made her obscenely shy and faint all the timeThey phased that out as Shippuden went on i think.>Do you remember any more "meaningful"/fun ones in Shippuden?Episode 232 and 306, both have some funny scenes and Neji/Hinata bonding. The latter also shows the girls and Tsunade hanging out together.
>>287837517>The latter*The former, i mean.
>>287831243NSfags really believe that?
>>287834384>>287834445It's astounding what they got away with back in the day.
>>287837807Pierrot used to be based
>>287837053It's crazy how they sugarcoated her whole relationship with her father and sister. I hated how soft they seem to be with her kids, just for them to never be around when Naruto and Hinata are sent into another dimesion by their adoptive son. Neither Hanabi or Hiashi are there for Himawari. Good luck fixing that, SP.
>>287826447yeah and we all perfectly meet our relative's expectations no matter what, right?
>>287837807>It's astounding what they got away with back in the day.true
>>287837909Oh no! His first kiss... with a woman.
>>287837881The pieces were in place to tell the story of familial bonds, resentment and regret and they just didn't. Even simply having Hinata cry over unconscious Hanabi and them both embracing Hiashi at the end would've sufficed. They could've also showed Hinata's mother in the flashbacks, let her talk and revealed that Hinata misses her still.
I'm talking about the Last of course but all that applies to the original manga as well, honestly.
>>287822630The lack of self-awareness in this post. Sasuke is the ultimate edgelord who dislikes women and thinks than everyone opposing his rule should die. The only difference between him and an "incel" saying millions must die is power and appearance. Vegeta isn't much different either considering he's literally racist to the point of genociding and eating aliens
>>287832722She had all the opportunities to be written well. 99% of the characters don't get as much undeserved glazing as she got. She had entire chapters and everything, Hinata couldn't even get a single scene with her sister or a single fight.
>>287837997>who dislikes womenproof?
>>287825499all this proves is naruto shouldn't fuck sakura OR his mom
>>287824401>that simultaneous unhappiness and acceptancei see what happened to narusaku fans: the moment was TOO soulful. it resonated too strongly with a mature emotion that vulnerable fans of the pairing couldn't accept it
fucking speedreaders, in manga sasuke liked sakura's strength, haven't said anything negative about karin being a woman meanwhile naruto spews shit like "kiba stop complaining, you're not a woman"
>>287838107>>287838224Isn't it literally in first episode where he complains about girls being annoying and superficial?
>>287828441sakura lovers lack any intelligence in any moment existing in time
>>287822056why is she looking at him like that
>>287838257he hasn't said such thing in manga.seems like it'a anime only addition
>>287827187if i was anime only, i would honestly believe naruto has a deep, genuine attraction towards sakura instead of a simple crush like in manga this scene is a pure trolling of kids and teens and i believe there has be tons of it
>>287831269this is just such a weird scenario>sasuke knocks her up>marries her at kunai point>goes on "le important missions" before the ink is even dry on the certificate>sakura gets super lonely>rifles through his old things>finds a photo of his failure team probably taken postwar as a "we lived bitches" souvenir>takes a smily little picture of herself>frames it and a baby picture against this completely unrelated oneeven if she wasn't cucked this is peak cucked behavior
>>287832203are you making a parking lot you fucking loser? no. you're conjecturing about a relationship with all the evidence of an astrologist
>>287836978retarded shippers ship things, but any ape that pretends it is the driving point of the story is rightly mocked and jeered as a retarded shipping ape
>>287838257And was he wrong?
>>287838669No
>>287834206Apparently ninja having hypnotic eyes was a prominent thing in old Japanese theater. And the magic eye bloodline BS was heavily featured in The Kouga Ninja Scrolls.
>>287834692Most americans have big noses, so yeah
>>287834386There’s a simple explanation for that. If the end goal is for Naruto and Sakura to end up together, both characters must grow. Naruto needs to mature, and Sakura must recognize her mischievous streak (remember when she got excited about the prank Naruto played on Kakashi?) and learn to loosen up. Sakura also has to realize that her feelings for Sasuke were immature. Given everything Naruto has done for her, she should see that there’s much more reason for her to love him. It wouldn’t have been difficult for her to reach that conclusion, had she only taken a moment to reflect.In contrast, for the canon pairings to take place, the object of affection need only accept the love offered. Both Naruto and Sasuke remain completely passive in this dynamic, and the only thing required of the girls was persistence in their feelings. Compared to this passive dynamic, the alternative of mutual growth is far more compelling. What we actually got is simply boring.
>>287837807Damn her ankles and forearms are fat as fuck
>>287822150neji was always based
>>287822630>women want bejita>short stack that gets angry all the time nowomen want sasuke, gojo from jujutsu, or in some cases twink fags like the boku no hero mc.
>>287837153wtf i love hinata now
>>287837909its funny because she is a pedophile since naruto is still underage here and she is an adult
>>287822056No one likes flatties
True naruto self inserters ship him with tsunade
>>287838346Yeah, it's such a bizarre thing to do. She didn't have any other photo of him? Was it a deliberate psycho move of "i replaced you"?
>>287822056Naruto girls are usually so mid, especially the main onesSo why the hell is this chibi sakura such a wife material
>>287822056sakura literally has no backstoryand there's no reason for either of the boys to like her
>>287829989there's a jutsu for this
>>287837008>>287838431it's a show about pirates riding ships why are you guys so autistic
>>287840246most people would take the time to cut the photo to just the right size to get rid of an element they didn't like. it's not like sasuke was ever home to reject that outcome, she could have gotten rid of medicine chewable and puddle boy and no one would have been the wiser, and even if she felt guilty about it she could have left those pieces wherever she found the photo in the first place. this is just strange behavior to be strange
>>287840986i'm not taking that accusation from the naruto community
>>287822056personally think the "hero gets the girl" trope automatically diminishes any female character. She's given to the hero as a "prize", presenting many of the same arguments that people have with Sakura being with Sasuke at the end. I also think that a lot of fans are reading too much into the almost nonexistent romance of a shonen whose author does not write romance or women characters well at all lol. I think it's great that Sakura and Sasuke end up together, because I actually read the manga and saw their development, because they simply are the most developed couple out of all the other canon couples. A lot of the things Sakura does in relation to Sasuke, Naruto does as well but he doesn't get nearly as much hate because he's the main character and a male.
no one fucking addressed hinata's trauma, she just forgiven her abusers and naruto hangs out with kumo who attempted to kidnap her.
>>287822056I feel bad for Sakura, honestly. She's forced to simp o after a guy who tried to kill her twice and had no real romantical feelings towards her at all. She got clapped by him, impregnated, and then left to basically be a single mom in a marriage for years.
>>287834286Or - OR he would just treat Team 7 as siblings like Gege.
>>287841441>"Forced" She isn't forced to do anything. She was crated for Sasuke, this has been her character from her first appearance, she was introduced as a sasuke simp. She is doing what she was created to do. And the same sheep hive mind takes about him trying to kill her doesn't work when you realize she is the one that tried to kill him first, she is the one that sought him out with a poison kunai in her hand, sasuke was defending himself.Sasuke left on a mission, sakura is ok with it. Much better than hinata being a housewife when naruto makes excuses to stamp papers a few blocks away from home and still ends up an absentee to the point hinata's family in the novels wanted her to leave naruto and come back home to the hyuga compound cuz of naruto neglecting
>>287841535If I were the author, I would let them remain single, making their goals as ninjas relevant: Naruto becoming Hokage, Sakura becoming a doctor, Hinata becoming head of the Hyuga clan and improving its system, and Sasuke remaining a traitor to the village and travelling in search of a new life. I think the romance in Naruto is too forced; this storyline would make Naruto better.
>>287841535That's gay. What's with nugen mangaka being asexual faggots is it to appeal to zoomers?
>>287841646Sorry if we want a found family over shipping faggotry.
>>287841672Naruto is already peak found family
>Hinata crushes on NarutoAww so sweet >Lee crushes on SakuraHuman resources?!
>>287841704Lee is ugly
>>287841704
>>287841694You're thinking of One Piece
shounen writers can't write romance, kudos for oda and gege for avoiding that
>>287841704Every woman deserves Leonardo DiCaprio and Antonio Banderas, chudcel moids should avert their gaze from these strong and independent goddesses. You are sexist if you disagree.
>>287841844Naruto also has all that
>>287841910Not so fast this guy knew what he was doing but played dumb
Hot take: Naruto and Sasuke should have died at the end and been immortalized as legends with the final reveal being an old Hokage Sakura telling their story to a group of kids.
>>287842071>>287842211Naruto is straight and Sasuke is asexual.
it's okay, they are just playing ( ˶ˆ꒳ˆ˵ )
>>287842230naruto is a latent homosexual and asexuals can be gay
>>287834705Based
what did they mean by this
>>287837517>Hinata's confession episode was great and better than the mangaIt was a great episode, and I do dig it as an alternate version, but I don't like how it takes focus away from her initial speech (especially the "saving smile" parallel with Jiraiya), and I actually preferred how quick and sudden everything was in there, which works better with Naruto's reaction to it. It had more of a "life is fleeting" feel to it so to speak. The anime version is basically a redo of her fight with Neji.>Episode 232 and 306, both have some funny scenes and Neji/Hinata bonding. The latter also shows the girls and Tsunade hanging out together.Alright, I'll check these out. Thanks.
>>287841704One of them has gravitas, leads to self-improvement, and is not portrayed as a total joke.
Shitnata
>>287838199yeah right? that scene in anime had my 11 year old self chimping out immediately.
literally me and my sister
To be honest, I'm fine with either Sasusaku or Narusaku, at least it's not ugly ass LeeSaku. I like Sasusaku more since it's a proof of Sakura's loyalty and Sasuke's return to the good side
>>287843333What about kakasaku
>>287843353pure sex
>>287833961Kishimoto comes out of hiding and releases a seinen edition, sneed it or feed it?
>>287842544>Sasuke doting on Naruto instead of Naruto doting on SasukeWomen can't even yaoi right.
>>287842230>Naruto>straight
If Naruto ended up with Sakura, Boruto would have actually been good
>>287843607Hell, to the pits with Boruto
Honestly I would prefer if Naruto ended up being alone, but ending shows him as a hokage, training his disciple Sarada
I want to complain, but it will literally look like this pic
>>287843777>Naruto ended up being alone, but ending shows him as a hokage, training his disciple Sarada . . . until he finds her going down the same path as Sasuke and tries to stop it, only to accidentally hasten her turn to the dark side.
>>287843777nanadaime trips
>>287843607Wrong. It would still have alien shit. Sakura didn't deserve Naruto at all.
>>287844015https://x.com/aika_nrt/status/2050430458824139120
>>287841441She made her bed. Now she must lie in it.
>>287842466Just as >>287826711 said, that scene alone is more wholesome and meaningful than every second of Juvia cringe.
>>287842230He's straight in practice with an important caveat that he's more like how Killua treats Gon in Hunter X Hunter but a bit more extreme where there's no one else that can occupy the emotional role Sasuke has in his life while also being dependant on that emotional role.So we have friends and then we have best friends this is normal and chill but whatever Naruto has for Sasuke is not normal or chill and would create fractures in any meaningful straight relationship where your girl would be like>please can we not talk about Sasuke right now?There is something non straight going on in that spiky head of his.
>>287844015Naruto is so cute..
I want to fuck Naruto, but he must keep his shippuden hair
I'd give anything to suck on Naruto's balls
>>287844015umm this counts as narusaku moment btw.
>>287844625Yeah, you can totally see the look of happiness and optimism radiating from their faces right there...
>>287842230Naruto is bisexual at best and Sasuke is obviously gay, Naruto only went for Hinata because the society they live in wouldn't allow him and Sasuke to get together, so he picked the reserved GIRL with special eyes instead of the shy reserved GUY he actually was obsessed with. For God's sake the first major and famous arc of Naruto has pretty much a gay couple finally deciding to be free in death and Naruto losing his shit at the though of Sasuke dying. Sakuratard and Hinatafags need to realize they never were part of this equation already.
>>287844692Naruto loves Sakura even if she's grumpy
>>287844741That image doesn't even make sense at that point of the story. They were enemies in Part 2 and only meet in Orochimaru's hideout.>Sakuratard and Hinatafags need to realize they never were part of this equation already.Keep seething with your delusions, fujotard.
>>287844741>most sane fujo
>>287844881You can truly feel the love, the enthusiasm of seeing his supposed beloved greet him early...
Naruto is gay for Sasuke and straight for Sakura. There's no room for Hinata.
>>287844741 that penis necklace always makes me RAUGH
>>287844893At no point in the story did Naruto genuinely consider Sasuke his enemy.
>>287839388You have zero understanding of Naruto and Sakura’s character. NaruSaku literally regresses Naruto’s growth and invalidates Sakura’s very character. And as always, NaruSaku fags like to argue that Sakura owes Naruto pussy because he was nice to her, that’s her “growth”. The fake confession directly addresses this and basically say none of that means she should automatically develop feelings for him and Naruto knows this.Instead of what just happens in canon, where she recognizes that Naruto did a lot for her and consider him a great friend and does what she can to help him, which is in of itself growth. Again, retard, Sakura moving on from Sasuke doesn’t automatically mean falling for Naruto. That’s tiny brain.
>>287845055Way to misinterpret my comment, no surprise coming from a fujo. Go on and tell me at what point they met each other in a way they could take a photo from their Part 2 selves of one another and use it as medallions.
>>287824401>>287838199What is this autistic mental gymnastics, Naruto is just happy he gets to see Sakura's ass.
>>287822056Damn, Sakura is so fucking hot, pink hair + green eyes is a god-tier combo.
>>287845214based choice
>>287838257That didn't happen
i want to fuck naruto - I love this sasuke's phrase it makes him look cool
>>287845131It's a freaking chapter cover page dummy, it's symbolic.
heenata, you lost. sasuke now has cat tail and cat ears
>>287845661and sakura is blonde with tig bits
>>287844741Naruto was willing to die with Sasuke and leave both girls single.Nothing stopped them from never marrying.
>>287845593It was promo for merch you retarded faggot
Where's Hinata?
>>287845860Where's Sakura?
>>287845860In your head. Go read actual fujo shit freak.
>>287845860>ShikamaruAAAAAAAAAAASTOP SHOVING HIM DOWN MY THROAT KISHIIIIII!!!!
>>287844282>>287844015>The way Naruto reacts when he opens the door—it’s not like he’s thinking,“The girl I like has shown up!”—and that’s just…Then, when Sakura says,“Go wash your face and change right away. I’ll be waiting,”Naruto replies, “Huh? A date?”But it feels like he’s already treating getting attention from a girl as a date, so he wasn’t actually thinking of it as a proper date—and that’s just great…!He really doesn’t seem to understand romance yet.In the manga, when he actually goes on his first date, he consults Sai, looks up magazines for advice, and is mindful of manners—trying to make it a date where he’s considerate of his date.You can see his growth, and it makes you like him even more.Also, I think a big reason Sakura never truly fell in love with Naruto was because Naruto wasn’t seriously in love with her.Sasuke actually supports Sakura without even realizing it and pays close attention to her, and I think that thoughtfulness really hits home for her.Naruto was able to do this for Hinata, though(like telling her “you can tell by looking in my eyes” or “don’t get down”),but there are many scenes where he couldn’t do that for Sakura.Naruto could notice the superficial changes in Sakura, like when she cut her hair, but he never really understood her inner feelings.There were times when she wanted him to comfort her, but he didn’t notice—they were always just slightly out of sync.Because their feelings for Sasuke were so in sync, they were comrades moving toward the same goal…On the other hand, Sasuke didn’t go through Naruto to interact with Sakura; he’d scold her or encourage her directly, and he was really observant of even her smallest changes.I think part of the reason Sakura was so moved by Sasuke was because of that attention to detail.Since Sasuke said “Thank you” right before he left the village, Sakura felt she had no choice but to remain devoted to him forever…What the fuck is this autism
>>287845060What growth, you dumb retard? The passive acceptance of her feelings? Naruto doesn't even act like it most of the time. He asks her out on a date at the start of Shippuden. He introduces her as his gf to his dad. He gets hot and bothered at the prospect of being handfed by her. Him getting in a relationship with her would ultimately necessitate his maturing because that is what Sakura asks of him. You say that Sakura getting over Sasuke doesn't necessitate her getting with Naruto. Sure. But is it narratively satisfying for her to get with anyone but him? She's the closest one to him he does a lot for her and so does she foe him. He is literally the mc and no matter how you look at it if you actively decide that she must ignore Naruto you just want to cuck him. There's not a single character in the story she has a better chemistry with. That's not to mention she's already the odd one out in the narrative as is. She's passive and useless because her goals echo Naruto's. Considering the title of the story her having any hand in actually achieving said goals or getting any significant impact on it was never an option. If she moves on from Sasuke and ends up with someone beside Naruto she becomes even more of a tertiary character than she already is
>>287846926>The passive acceptance of her feelingsNta but her feelings were always clear. They were for Sasuke. Even when he wasn't around. Everything else you said is wrong.Let. This. Go.
>>287834705BASED
>>287843898>WAKEY WAKEY, SARADA-CHAN~!
>>287845796Very surprised fujos don’t seem to get that they’re pay piggies, they just eat up anything lol. Meanwhile Kishimoto does shit like this:>>287844905
>>287847254They weren't at the start of the Shippuden you disingenuous fuckwad. Get over yourself and don't reply to me if you have no argument you dumb little bitch
>>287848804>start of the ShippudenShe literally gets depressed when Kakashi mentions Sasuke. She even thinks Sai was hot cause he looked like Sasuke. Cry me a river you fucking cuck nigger.
>>287846575>What the fuck is this autismSounds like someone actually reading it properly.
While you can argue Naruto and Hinata is one sided and they don't have much reason or history to get them together in the end, shipping Naruto and Sakura requires active schizobabble delusion on the level of flat earth where all evidence must be completely ignored or wantonly distorted to fit your preconceived idea of what should be.
>>287841535Unironically this
>>287849507>While you can argue Naruto and Hinata is one sided and they don't have much reason or history to get them together in the endMaybe if you ignore their entire background stories and intensity of their scenes.
>>287846926>He introduces her as his gf to his dad.His father asks that and he jokes about it with a poker-face.>He gets hot and bothered at the prospect of being handfed by her.Are you an anime-only? Please answer earnestly, because that changes everything.
soooooshould I watch or read naruto?
>>287850262Read, then watch the canon episodes for the OST. Then filler if you want more. Avoid Boruto
>>287850262Read and then watch whatever the fights you liked or want to see animated.
>>287822056>Sakurafags not only use filler for their arguments but Rock Lee SD tooReally?
>>287850221>he jokes about it with a poker-faceLiterally your assumption nothing more>Are you an anime-only?That's literally happened in the manga, retard.
>>287850262Watch. The anime is superior to the manga. Watch the movies too.
>>287849029So does Naurto, retard. Doesn't mean shit. Yamoto was literally about to spell how she felt about Naruto after his fight with Orochimaru
>>287850374Yes really. They somehow still exist and are still asshurt. Its so bizarre.
>>287850378>Literally your assumption nothing moreSpeak for yourself, see >>287826876.>That's literally happened in the manga, retard.Go on and show me where >He gets hot and bothered at the prospect of being handfed by her.happened in the manga.
>>287850414>Doesn't mean shitIf Sakura was over Sasuke she wouldn't have sone those things. You only use early Shippuden since that's when Kishimoto decided to push her in an attempt to save her reputation. Not only is it not enough to justify your crackship the entire rest of the manga exists as well. Unfortunately for you Sakuras love for Sasuke is consistent throughout the manga. Also Stop ignoring Sakuras own feelings.
>2026>still get massive erection seeing Sakura's feet
>>287850378You are genuinely not a normal person if you can't tell the difference between what a gag is or not.
>>287850414>Yamoto was literally about to spell how she felt about Naruto after his fight with OrochimaruYou fell for a red herring, while ironically deliberately ignoring Kiba teasing Naruto in front of Hinata during the war. Neither Yamato nor Sai yet know just how intensely earnest and dedicated a character Naruto is. They also don't know how Sakura behaves when she is in front of Sasuke until after they meet him at Orochimaru's hideout. Yamato was literally revolted by Sakura during the failfession and called out wtf was the bullshit she was pulling.
>>287850359>>287850361dont have time for both, and yes I aint gonna touch borutoas for the fillers are they worth watching? asking because in the case of bleach I skipped them >>287850391okok
>>287850741>are they worth watchingGenerally yes. Use a guide that tells you the synopsis for each one just in case it interests you.
>>287850741>dont have time for both, and yes I aint gonna touch borutoJust the manga then if it was to be one. I only suggested the anime battles as a bonus.>as for the fillers are they worth watching? asking because in the case of bleach I skipped themI'd say not really, Pierrot makes the cast dumber in many of them on top of contradicting the manga canon. Maybe if you want more of certain characters, but with a grain of salt.
>>287850814The anime adds more stuff overall. Its the better experience. Especially if you use Naruto Kai for the pacing issues in Part 1.
>>287850784>>287850814alright, thanks for the replies
>>287850862I think the anime is rather poorly adapted and completely changes the implied meaning of many scenes due to directional biases, similar to the shit that happened to Bleach. Also Naruto Pace does a better job than Kai.
>>287850922>I think the anime is rather poorly adapted and completely changes the implied meaning of many scenes due to directional biases,The only things that come to mind is Hinata having more stalker scenes and Sakura being a bigger bitch. Overall the anime improved on the manga.
>>287850653Are you retarded? That's complete nonsense people miss jokes all the time but it's not even the point. You have no proof Naruto himself was joking. The only base you have for that is the fact that he was in fact not in relationship with her but not being something never stopped Naruto from claiming it as such. The framing of the scene is clearly comedic in nature, but it is completely irrelevant to the point which is diegetically Naruto still had feelings for Sakura, he just ultimately understood that they were not reciprocated which if Kishi had wished it so could've been easily not the case>>287850656It's only a red-herring post hoc, retard. The whole argument is that it would've been better if it weren't.
>>287851022>Naruto still had feelings for SakuraEven if true (its not) it was made irrelevant by Sakuras consistent love for Sasuke. Stop ignoring Sakuras own feelings you dumb femanon.
>>287850972The anime bloats the manga canon scenes to eat up time and make more episodes, worsening the situation by changing the intent of multiple scenes. There are some exceptions where Pierrot is superior, but those aren't common.>>287851022>You have no proof Naruto himself was jokingNot him, but it's called media literacy, which you seem to be outright lacking, judging by the rest of your posts.>It's only a red-herring post hoc, retard. The whole argument is that it would've been better if it weren't.No, the argument is that you're retarded and making shit up.
>>287850469Here, retard. I'll spoon feed you this one time>see >>287826876.What am I supposed to see there you dumb retard? If anything him being gleeful would've given your retarded ass more of an argument. He literally surprised by the assumption and confirms it. What's the joke? Who is he joking to? If the joke was directed at Sakura he'd give her snide side eyes or some shit
>>287845714>Nothing stopped them from never marryingYet they did.
>>287851095It's not media literacy, retard, it's literal schizophrenia on your part retard. The scene is a joke. Naruto himself wasn't making one. That's the media literate take you blithering imbecile >making shit up.You are the one who makes shit up you delusional moron with you he was totally joking bit. The point is if Sakura reciprocated her feelings to Naruto Hinata would not have stood a chance and there was nothing stopping Kishimoto from taking her that route as it actually drastically improves her narrative role
>>287851022Naruto says when Sakura destroys the ground that he better stop joking around with her or she’d kill him…a few chapters after he made the girlfriend joke and she head butted him. Literacy media is lost on you. Not to mention when his dad was moving on to the next life, Naruto’s serious response to him about girls was that he didn’t actually understand them and he had no answer for him mom’s wish of finding a girl like her. Just admit you’re a retard. Yamato’s statement is irrelevant because he never even finished it. Your conclusion that he was going to imply Sakura loved Naruto is unfounded because you have no proof of what he was actually going to say and he reacted angrily when Sakura confessed to him later.
>>287851119Yeah, that was the point.
>>287851210>nothing stopping Kishimoto from taking that routeOther than the fact that Sakura never had feelings for Naruto and liked another man and that Hinata was literally created to be Naruto’s future wife. You’re a cuck.
>>287851220Are you retarded? These events literally several hundreds of chapters apart, and the line was more in a reference to him goofing off with sexy jutsu which he got a reprimanded for like a chapter ago. I swear you retards are some of the dumbest morons this world has seen
>>287839388Mutual growth is what Naruto and Hinata had in part 1 before Kishimoto decided to hamstring NH for no reason.
I wanna eat Sakura's ass
>>287822429>Trying to blatantly rewrite story.
>>287851115This is not hot & bothered. Hes not bothered (moving his face around etc). Any man would blush if any girl did this. You are retarded. Your "proof" relies on a specific small period of the manga where Kishi was trying to make her look good. You think this is supposed to outweigh the rest of the series?>>287851210>The point is if Sakura reciprocated her feelingsExcept the same type of love she did show Sasuke was never shown to Naruto. This is literally impossible.>drastically improves her narrative roleNo it wouldn't. Getting with Naruto doesn't automatically connect her to the overarching plot of Naruto. When Kishimoto was considering making Hinata the heroine he didn't and its probably for the same reason: getting with Naruto doesn't make them super important in the grand scheme of things.Please get a live
>>287851244No one forced them to marry. That tumblr nonsense >>287844741 about "the society they live in wouldn't allow him and Sasuke to get together" has literally never been true.
>>287851115>I'll spoon feed you this one timeSakura is portrayed like a big sis and the scene gets interrupted by a gag. Even when Sakura confesses, Naruto writes it off as a joke. NaruSaku is treated as a joke.>What's the joke?Literally a chapter later he witnesses Sakura's full strength and says he will never joke again in front of Sakura.>If the joke was directed at Sakura he'd give her snide side eyes or some shitShe literally hits him.>The point is if Sakura reciprocated her feelings to NarutoYou missed the part where Naruto's """feelings""" for Sakura hinge on wanting Sasuke's acknowledgment, ever since Chapter 3, nevermind how all that was mandated by Yahagi. The moment she says he no longer gives a shit about Sasuke, he's repulsed and tells her he hates people who are dishonest with themselves. None of this would have happened if it had been established that Naruto liked her for her character. >Hinata would not have stood a chanceAnd if Hinata told him to go out together in Part 1 after the Chuunin Exams, he would have accepted, especially since he actually grows to like her character unlike "You really like Sasuke, huh". Now what, NS shitter?>there was nothing stopping Kishimoto from taking her that route as it actually drastically improves her narrative roleYou missed how all his canon pairings are Yin and Yang and all of the other Anon's arguments.
>>287851279No, I think you’re retarded. Those two scenes happened less than 5 chapters apart. He said that right after she awakened Byakugou.
>>287851280What mutual growth did Naruto go through to get together with Hinata? Opened up to her out of nowhere this one time? This is the point, Hinata got her growth she literally could get more by moving on. Her feelings for Naruto and her insight into him do not change one bit throughout the story though. Which is dumb and boring>>287851362That happened during re do of the bell test retard bro. Read the fucking manga before joining the conversation you dumb fucking faggot
>>287851279>>287851362Naruto saying he shouldn’t joke with her anymore a few chapters after the girlfriend joke
So now that the thread is reaching its bump limit I'm glad we're all in agreement that NaruSaku is a superior pairing over NaruHina
>>287851396Holy shit, you really are stupid. No wonder you ship NaruSaku. You never even read the fucking manga. >>287851447
>>287839388>>287848804>>287850378>>287850414>>287851022>>287851115>>287851210>>287851279>>287851362Why are NaruSaku cucks so aggressive and unable to act like normal people?
>>287851471NaruSakufags are known for this. They literally make up fanfic in their heads and use that as fact. No wonder these people were bullied relentlessly
>>287851463Who's "we", you faggot?
>>287833397NEVER! Ino is best girl and her powers would have made an easy in to any drama/character development with Naruto.
>>287851320>This is not hot & botheredYes it is, retard. You need to come up with some retarded justification of why it isn't the case even though the manga doesn't shy away from reiterating the point that Naruto has feeling for Sakura and keeps them till the very end of the series.>Except the same type of love she did show Sasuke was never shown to NarutoWhat type of love, you dumb faggot? Why is it required for her to love Naruto in the same way and what stops her from it outside of Kishi's refusal to take her that route?>No it wouldn't.Yes, it would. Since one of the biggest flaws of hers would've been lifted her unexplained obsession with Sasuke. At the start of shippunden she was clearly invested in helping Naruto's jinchuriki situation. Kishi just had to elaborate on that and make it a goal of hers that would ultimately lead to her discovering how she really feels about Naruto. Something that was all but outright stated in the same stretch of the story. >You think this is supposed to outweigh the rest of the series?Well, yes? Are you retarded? The whole point is that it could've happen and that it would've been better. She was progressively treating him better and kinder since the start of the series. That's what we call a character arc
>>287845279I wanna bury my nose in her pussy
>>287851396>What mutual growth did Naruto go through to get together with Hinata?What mutual growth did Naruto go through to get together with Sakura?You really should pay more attention to the characters and their scenes. Or better yet, read the manga.>Opened up to her out of nowhere this one time?Did Naruto ever speak to Sakura about his insecurities like he did here >>287826598? Sasuke? Iruka? Hiruzen? ANYONE ELSE? No? Please do tell us why he confided his most secret insecurities to a character supposedly "is not special to him". Or will you shrug that fact off again?
>>287851343>Sakura is portrayed like a big sis Again your retarded interpretation. Why the fuck would Naruto blush because his big sis was about to feed him? If anything if he was treating her as a sibling he would make jokes about the situation. The scene itself being a set up for a joke is completely irrelevant since his reaction is played completely straight.>She literally hits him.Yes? Because he's acting stupid like he always does when she hits him, retard. Doesn't mean Naruto was making a joke>ou missed the part where Naruto's """feelings""" for Sakura hinge on wanting Sasuke's acknowledgment, ever since Chapter 3This shit never made any sense. Sasuke had many orbiters why would he imprint on Sakura? She's just hot and has a mischievous streak she's hiding.> he's repulsed and tells her he hates people who are dishonest with themselvesARe you literally autistic? The point of this scene is that he knows Sakura is lying and Sakura also knows that he knows. Sai literally spells it out what the purpose of the fake confession was no matter how retarded.>And if Hinata told him to go out together in Part 1 after the Chuunin Exams, he would have acceptedlol no>You missed how all his canon pairings are Yin and YangWho cares about this gay shit?
>>287851595He literally got mature. That's the character growth. He stopped acting nearly as childish as he used to to the point where his character kinda suffers because of it somewhat>his insecurities like he did here >>287826598To Sasuke? For sure at the valley of the end Naruto told him about how he feels about team 7 and what not. The point is that there's literally no reason for Naruto to tell Hinata all that. None. He barely knows her and isn't shown to care about her all that much throughout the series
>>287851574So in love with Sakura until the end he couldn’t even be bothered to tell his vanishing father he liked her when the discussion turned towards girls. Retard.You know Sakura can grow to appreciate Naruto and feel empathy for him without having any romantic feelings right? That’s character development. You’re just autistic. Also no response to this, tourist? >>287851471
>>287851574>Naruto has feeling for Sakura and keeps them till the very end of the series. The last time he liked her was in the hospital scene in part 1. Please read the manga nigger.>What type of loveRomantic love obviously. She was literally shouting for Sasukes love all the time. She didn't do that until she decided to fake confess (which was super self-centered)>Since one of the biggest flaws of hers would've been lifted her unexplained obsession with Sasuke.Pairing her with Naruto wouldn't suddenly make her relevant.>Well, yes?Then you're stupid since the manga has Sakura say she loves Sasuke. Even thinking about him when someone asked her out.>The whole point is that it could've happenEverything in the manga and Kishimoto himself says it wasn't ever possible. Hence crackship. Now fuck off
>>287851504Did I hurt your little feefee's you dumb faggot? Did you get lost on your way to reddit mayhaps?
>>287851447This is the lasts time I'm spoon feeding you retard
>>287851504Its because 99% of NaruSakufags are self inserting women. They think she's a girlboss and they feel they got cucked + Kishimoto’s near constant humiliations of her all combined into pure anger & sadness. Instead of looking inward they lash out at reality itself. Its why they blame everyone but themselves too.
>>287851595>>287851777Naruto never told Sasuke about his insecurities about being a failure at all. He had plenty of reasons to tell Hinata because he saw that she was similar to him, which, ironically, Sakura herself pointed out. You NaruSakufags really are illiterate. Naruto swore on her blood. Naruto sought her out when she was hiding when they first saw each other in part 2. He went 6 tails when he thought she died. He cried when he found out she was alive. He saved her during the war arc. But sure, Naruto doesn’t care about her. Retard.
>>287851887getting cucked by huge tits and a kind personality does crazy things to a woman
>>287851908NaruSakufags created a fanfic manga in their heads. They draw from that version, not from the one we know. That's why its not possible to reason with them.
>>287851780He literally told his dead he was his girlfriend what else was there to add you fucking moron?>You know Sakura can grow to appreciate Naruto and feel empathy for him without having any romantic feelings rightYes and that is not satisfying because she remains infatuated with Sasuke. If she moves on from Sasuke her falling in love with anyone but Naruto is literal cucoldry.>Also no response to this, tourist? >>287851471I'm busy replying to 10 retards at once. Be patient niggerreffer to>>287851846I
>>287851804You really are illiterate. What do you think he means when he says he’d stop defying her? By making the typical dumb jokes cause her annoyance and end with her hitting him, like he did when he made that girlfriend joke that lacked so much seriousness that he told his dying dad he didn’t understand girls and hadn’t come to the conclusion that he found a girl like his mom. Retard.
>>287851711>Why the fuck would Naruto blush because his big sis was about to feed him?Why would he blush here >>287826598 too? Sakura also blushes plenty around Naruto (especially early on) and that doesn't mean jack.>If anything if he was treating her as a sibling he would make jokes about the situation."Again your retarded interpretation.">since his reaction is played completely straight.It's obvious you never had a sister or a female cousing.>This shit never made any sense.Read Chapter 3 again. Also, pay attention to how tactless and lacking in understanding Naruto is around Sakura when Sasuke isn't the topic. Example -> >>287828317.>lol no"Again your retarded interpretation.">Who cares about this gay shit?Not an argument.>>287851777>He literally got mature. That's the character growth. He stopped acting nearly as childish as he used to to the point where his character kinda suffers because of it somewhatGo on and tell us how Sakura had any effect on any of that.>To Sasuke? For sure at the valley of the end Naruto told him about how he feels about team 7 and what not.He did not tell that to Sasuke. Also you admit not to Sakura? Gotcha. Also funny you bring that up, it's basically a steal of Hinata's flashbacks during the Kiba fight, just with a dash of rivalry and with Nardo being tsundere instead of too cripplingly shy.>The point is that there's literally no reason for Naruto to tell Hinata all that."Again your retarded interpretation." If that's any true, then why did he never do the same with Sakura? On the contrary, you literally get shit like him being worried about Sasuke and then suddenly making up a date excuse instead of being honest with her.
>>287851946A lot of them are also flat too. They are the same type of women who will get HR to harass girls with big chests at work.
>>287851777>He barely knows her and isn't shown to care about her all that much throughout the seriesHe literally gets more invested in her struggle with Neji than he ever paid attention to Sakura's own character throughout the story. Kishimoto didn't show shit like Naruto swearing on her blood, confiding her his most secret insecurities, exploding into the worst rage he ever felt and holding her hand while thanking her for always being by his side just for illiterate retards like you to say "he never cared about her at all".
>>287851786He literally is shown to be romantically interested in her till the end. You jus chose to close your eyes and ears and repeat it was framed as a joke that makes it one in universe, In other one that's the case only in your schizofrenic reality>Romantic love obviously. She was literally shouting for Sasukes love all the time. She literally was all but stated to love him at the end of the Orochimaru fight you dumb blind asshole. The fact that it didn't go anywhere from there doesn't mean it couldn't>Pairing her with Naruto wouldn't suddenly make her relevant.It absolutely would if you actually made use of her newfound desire to alleviate his jinchuriki status. It would also make it less likely for her to end up in retarded embarrassing situations like her attempt to kill Sasuke and fake confessing >Then you're stupid since the manga has Sakura say she loves SasukeWhere? This is literally one of the biggest blemishes on her character>Everything in the manga and Kishimoto himself says it wasn't ever possible. Hence crackship.It was literally possible it just didn't happen retard. How is it a crack ship? Naruto loved Sakura to your own admission there was a red hearing to her reciprocating the feeling. Crack ship would be Naruto getting together with Tenten.
>>287851973Holy autism. When his dad was actually vanishing from the living world, what did Naruto say when he was actually having a serious conversation with his father? That he didn’t understand girls or romance and to tell his mother that he hadn’t found a girl like her yet. Why didn’t he bring up having an actual girlfriend in that very important moment? Again, you’re retardedAlso thanks for exposing yourself as the cuck fetishist you are if you think Sakura moving in to somebody else who isn’t Naruto from Sasuke is cuck shit. Faggot.
>>287852091Post a single panel of it being stated Sakura loves Naruto. Not that vague sentence that Yamato never finished and could have been anything. But an actual statement from Sakura’s own mouth. You’re an actual blind asshole.
>>287851908Well, yeah because why the fuck would Kishi retread the same grounds? He told him other shit he probably felt insecure about. The point is it was pretty much undeserved.Him doing all of that shit for Hinata is irrelevant. If it was any other kid that fanboyed over him and kept up standing up he'd do the same fucking thing. The same goes about meeting his friends after 3 years of absence or them fucking dying. The point is he has this one talk with Hinata then pretty much memory holes her till she attempts suicide by Pain and then ignores her some more till the end of the war arc
>>287852170>No it doesn't count unless it's spelled out for my illiterate eyes to see subtext? tropes? What are those?Just fuck off retard. I didn't see Naruto saying he loves Hinata on screen either
>>287852190Backpedaling. You said he never cared for Hinata. He factually does. Your retarded rambling about him reacting like that for others is irrelevant because Kishimoto chose Hinata for those moments for a reason and not fucking Kiba. Also, look at this retard once again ignoring the manga where Naruto sought out Hinata and saved her during the middle of the war and encouraged her by calling her strong for saving him. Your selective reading and bias is too obvious NaruSakufaggot.
>>287852068He literally defeats Gaara because Sakura was in danger. His yells helped Sakura to overcome Ino's jutsu in chunin exams as well. The whole Hinata thing just hit close to home
>>287852240Concession accepted. There’s no subtext or tropes here. Yamato never concluded his statement and I could just as easily say he was going to say “you really care for Naruto”. Occam’s Razor can conclude he wasn’t going to declare Sakura loves Naruto because he later reacted his disgust and disbelief when she confessed. Now you fuck off illiterate mouthbreather
>>287852254He literally was going all over the place saving everyone you utter fucking moron. It's not backpeddling he cares about her just about as much as he cares for every other K11 memeber. Hinata literally confesses her love almost dies and he gives zero literal fucks about that once his kyubi sperg out comes to an end. That's as close to not caring as you possibly can get while still not outright hating the person
>>287852323Delusional
>>287852333Kishimoto chose to show Naruto caring for Hinata more than other members of K11 for a reason. You’re just an illiterate faggot who doesn’t understand nuance and context. Naruto gave fucks because he cries when he finds out she’s alive. Kishimoto didn’t have Naruto directly address the confession in universe because he knew if they had a talk, it would hav concluded the pairing wars and retards like you wouldn’t face kept giving him money until the very end. >>287852350Concession accepted.
>>287851973It literally means to do and say shit she doesn't like retard. There's no implication he's talking about joking and goofing around. You are wiggling so hard you start looking like a worm
>>287852269>He literally defeats Gaara because Sakura was in danger.Sakura is literally being crushed by sand and yet Naruto still is his goofy self throughout that fight, pretty much fucking around through the entire thing and even pulling shit like the thousand years of pain on Gaara's ass. It’s not until (surprise surprise) Sasuke says he's willing to give his life and ambition for Sakura that Naruto finally gets the nerve to act and gains heroic resolve. Those panels Naruto says he’s going to protect Sakura after chapter 133? Those count for Sasuke's tally as well by association, meaning that saving Sakura alone was not Naruto's primary concern.>His yells helped Sakura to overcome Ino's jutsu in chunin exams as well.The fight has Naruto being oblivious and not understanding what the fuck is going on between both girls despite his own rivalry with Sasuke, and even Kakashi points this out to the reader. Once the fight is over and Sakura thanks him for his cheering and how she would have lost without that, he just puts on a poker face and says "Yeah, you're right on that". He literally ruined a potentially nice moment between them by being dismissive, which you would think he would not do if he is supposedly so in love with her.
>>287852404>No argument more retardationConcession accepted. Two can play this moronic game, faggot>Kishimoto chose to show Naruto caring for HinataFirst he doesn't really. You can imagine Naruto acting pretty much identically if any of K11 members found themselves in the same situations. Second, well of course he does you dumb faggot he literally decided they are going to get together. The point is it would've been better had he not
>>287852091>He literally is shown to be romantically interested in her till the endNo he isn't. Show us when he said that.>She literally was all but statedLmao. So she could say she loved Sasuke but not Naruto? What?>doesn't mean it couldn'tWrong considering Kishimoto admitted to baiting you fools.>It absolutely wouldNot to the overarching story no. She has no direct connection to it like Naruto, Sasuke or Kakashi.>Where?Did you somehow miss the panels where she says she likes Sasuke and/or cries for him? You can't that delusional to say Sakura never liked Sasuke.>It was literally possibleAccording to Kishimoto and the manga it wasn't.Give it a rest already cuck. Naruto will never fuck you foid.
>>287852419Ironic, since my pairing is canon and your pairing gets shit on by the author at every giving opportunity. I’m right by default, because my conclusion makes the most sense going by how the manga concluded. Kishimoto, on the other hand, hates NaruSakufaggots like you and you’re still so mad about it you still stay invested in the manga that cucked you. You’re a loser.
>>287852240You are saying Sakura loved Naruto yet she never acted on this. This a total contradiction since we see Sakura do that for Sasuke all the time.
>>287852463>Naruto still is his goofy self throughout that fight, pretty much fucking around through the entire thingStopped reading right there. You are beyond retard. He literally takes the fight as seriously as he possibly can, you dumb fucking faggot. Did you think he would turn into Itachi or Minato or something?
Sakura gets the ick from Naruto when hes being perverted goofy self.
>>287851396>What mutual growth did Naruto go through to get together with Hinata?Went from calling her a shy weirdo in his head to telling her that he likes people like her, for starters. It’s not much but my point still stands, they were growing close and then Kishimoto separated them for some reason. Likely to focus on Sakura and to wank Naruto’s nonexistent bond with Sasuke.
>>287852514She literally acts on it. She almost get killed when she charges at 4th tail Naruto begging him to stop and then lies to him about the origin of her injury to prevent him from hating himself
>>287852529>Stopped reading right there.You should try reading the fight again. I accept your lack of argument.>You are beyond retard.Pot pot.
>>287852493Kishimoto is a fucking retard just like you are. No wonder you two share the same braincell. It's fascinating how you keep missing the point of the discussion. It's not whether Naruhina is canon or not. It's whether the alternative was better
>>287852484No you can’t imagine that, because Hinata was chosen for a reason for those moments and not Choiji you deluded cuck.Naruto barely reacts when he finds out or thinks another member of K11 is hurt or dies. He didn’t lose his shit when Kakashi died. But yet Kishimoto chose Hinata dying as the moment Naruto exploded into the “worst anger he ever felt”. But you’re delusional and think he’d react like that to fucking Shino. Kys
>>287851804Case in point.
>>287852583I read this fight probably more times than you are and even if I didn't I wouldn't need to just to understand it better than the retard of your caliber
>>287852561>She literally acts on it. She almost get killed when she charges at 4th tail Naruto begging him to stop and then lies to him about the origin of her injury to prevent him from hating himselfHe literally acts on it. He almost loses himself when he goes six tails after seeing Hinata struck down, rampaging against Pain to avenge her while blinded by a rage that nearly removes the complete seal.See, two can play the same game.>>287852639Still not an argument, deluded NS shitter.
>>287851887I don’t think most Sakurafags truly like her since they tend to change her personality/reframe her actions to suit their headcanon. Although NaruSakutards at least recognize that Sakura’s ending wasn’t good for her, they still don’t accept that Sakura since day 1 was always meant to be a Sasuke simp. SasuSakutards refuse to acknowledge she got a shitty marriage to the point where their daughter thought there was infidelity but they’re happy because despite that, Sakura did get what she wanted in the end. It’s a fascinating sight to behold.
>>287852558>Likely to focus on Sakura He was pushing Sakura in early part 2 in an attempt to boost her popularity. See >>287826367>>287852561No she doesn't. Shes able to easily say she loves Sasuke yet can't for Naruto. The one time she does shes caught lying to both herself and Naruto. If even Hinata could do it Sakura could too. But she doesn't....huh...its...almost like she didn't love Naruto thay way...whoa
>>287852603NaruSaku would have been the worst alternative. That’s why it’s near universally hated outside of certain cucks like you. >>287852561More illiteracy. This is just Sakura being a friend that worries about Naruto. Not in love.
>>287852676Ok, so we do agree Sakura loves Naruto. Good
>>287852702Only if you agree that Naruto loves Hinata.
Does anyone know why Naruto even came to like Sakura?
>>287852687Most of them are just SasuSaku & NaruSaku fans. Not Sakura only fans. There's very few of those. Its to be expected when even Kishimoto used her as nothing more then shipping fodder.
>>287852603>It's whether the alternative was betterIts generally agreed upon that Sakura did not deserve nor love Naruto. Its so bad that Sakura/NaruSaku is now the poster child of not adding ship bait into a series.
>>287852738Yes, as the manga explains >>287835345. That's what that scene implies, hence that one scene in The Last that Kishimoto felt he needed to put in the movie. See the interview with Yahagi that was posted here >>287830854. This is a far cry/big contrast from his assessment of Hinata after she delivers her proud failure speech in chapter 98 >>287826598, stating that she's "someone he really likes" (i.e. focusing on her actual person).
>>287851574>>287852091>>287852190>>287852484>>287852603Funny how you think that Sakura not ending up with Naruto is a bad writing and the injustice that should've been fixed and not him ignoring Hinata after confession.
>>287852747Fair enough.>>287852861The only reason I can at least respect NaruHina is because of their convo in part 1. Rereading that part about liking her solely because of her need to be acknowledged (by Sasuke) and relating that to him sounds so contrived desu. Naruto’s need to be acknowledged is for a deeper reason than wanting someone to like you back.
>>287841715Being a healslut is equal to stepping in to risk your life on the battlefield.>>287843873This picture exposes the retardation of antis every time it's posted. "Waaahh, i wanted the anime to make up a completely different ending instead of adapting a canon one-shot about Naruto's inauguration and i wanted Hinata to have even LESS screentime!! Why didn't manga pander to ME!?"
>>287822056Hinata was supposed to be the one who died instead of Neji, Sakura was supposed to be who was tied up in the Pain arcEverything was changed due to popularity polls and editor meddling, Sakura's entire character arc pre-timeskip was gotten rid of, and she was moved away from being integral to the story
>>287824401The love triangle was a major pillar of the plot until editors decided to just follow popularity polls and throw away Sakura as a character
>>287853212What cope, Hinata barely had any relevance despite this. I think it’s fair to conclude Kishimoto didn’t really care.
>>287853093>Rereading that part about liking her solely because of her need to be acknowledged (by Sasuke) and relating that to him sounds so contrived desu.The Japanese raw used the word he always uses for wanting acknowledgement and highlights it with dots. This is missed in pretty much every English translation I've seen. The point is:>he wanted her to crave is acknowledgment instead and one-up Sasuke>the love triangle was all mandated by Kishi's first editor, Yahagi>Yahagi suggested Kishi to make Sasuke and Sakura and put them into a cell together>the seiyuus for Sasuke and Sakura were told early on that both would end togetherAll that goes with what >>287851994 says about how Naruto behaves around Sakura in the manga. The anime changes a lot and portrays him as a brainless simp, they also alter scenes where Naruto is oblivious to her in the manga (like when she's all down at the start of the Chuunin Exams).
>>287851504They relate to their ungabunga "girlboss" waifu and think that treating other people like dirt means strength and being a cunt is based.
>>287853212None of that is true.
oh oh hinatafags melty
>>287853259Cope about what? There were major plot threads with Sakura that got completely severed after the popularity poll showed readers liked Hinata way more.Kishimoto is the biggest bitch in the industry, the Death Note guys exposed what happened to him in Bakuman, he allowed the SJ editorial team to just change the whole manga as they saw fit.
>>287853212>>287853250Thank God for editors then.
>>287853250Sakura wasn't a character at all. In fact it was Kishimoto who attempted to fix her. When it didn't work he gave up on her. Scroll up to see the interview link
>>287853331Anon something being changed doesn't mean it isn't true.Sakura's entire chuunin exam arc was completely changed.
>nooo you're not allowed to like character a with character b, you must ship them with character c only fuck off with your png autism
>>287853411She didn't have much of an arc
>>287853370>major plot threads>sakuraOxymoron.
>>287853404>Sakura wasn't a character at all. In fact it was Kishimoto who attempted to fix herSakura wasn't a character because he allowed the editors to write her out as a background character.>readers like Hinata more, focus on Hinata more>but the entire plot revolves around Team 7 and->dont care, we do what the readers wantKishimoto was the reason Sakura died as a character and never recovered.Now the result is Naruto is a death of the author ip with no cultural relevance anymore.
>>287853481Because they were dropped. Pay attention.
>>287853440No shit, because it was cut out due to the popularity polls>>287853481You are answering your own questions and remarks, Sakura is a bad character because editors decided to just throw her awayDid none of your read Bakuman? Kishimoto's entire development with Naruto is documented in there
>>287853306>he wanted her to crave is acknowledgment instead and one-up SasukeYup, that’s why it sounds contrived. Naruto growing out of this “crush” for her make sense.>the seiyuus for Sasuke and Sakura were told early on that both would end togetherAm I crazy or was this said early on because I could’ve sworn I heard this info before the ending.>>287853370The major plot thread being her civilian life that nobody gave a shit about. Nobody told Kishimoto to humiliate Sakura, he did that shit on his own. In an old interview when discussing the second half, he callously disregarded the interviewer’s question about Sakura when talking about what Naruto, Sasuke, and Kakashi’s plots.
>>287853212>>287853250>>287853370Kishi literally spent the entire early part 2 shoving Sakura down our throats and she still had a lot of forced relevance down the line like being the one to deduce the trick behind Tobi's intangibility in search for Itachi arc instead of the resident magic x-ray eyes girl or Kakashi.
Kishi said Hinata's popularity kept rising while Sakura's kept tanking. But Hinata outranked Sakura in only one popularity poll? Did he exaggerated it.
>>287853486Your argument would hold water if Hinata got more focus. Only Shikamaru was valued as a side character, let’s be real. The plain truth is that despite ignoring the idea of shoving in Hinata for Sakura, he couldn’t give less of a shit about developing her anyway.
>>287853486>Sakura wasn't a character because he allowed the editors She was already shit in Part 1 and is why fans hated her. And if editors cared that much they wouldn't have allowed Kishi to push her in early part 2.>>287853501The only thing that was dropped was the genjutsu thing. She has nothing else which is why she became a Tsunade clone>>287853535>it was cut outThere was nothing to cut. She was already basic.>Sakura is a bad character because editorsNo. Shes bad because Kishimoto didn't care about her save for early part 2.Your revisionism isn't working.
>>287853567Maybe they meant fan letters then? I have no clue either. I never got the impression that Sakura was completely hated as a kid, despite the detractors I’ve always seen numerous fan art and she’s always a part of the merch side. A hated character wouldn’t sell.
>>2878535674. Not 1. Kishimoto said he got letters from girls and such which probably gave him the idea that shes less liked.
>>287853486>>287853535Sakurafags have no fucking shame. Her being the one of the most prominent Konoha characters and a female character with the most screentime and the only Kunoichi to receive a dedicated Akatsuki fight was not enough for them.
>>287853678>A hated character wouldn’t sell.
>>287853753desu it was after Kishi received criticism and started pushing Sakura's strength and beauty
>>287853839That would not matter to Sakurafags. They are super dedicated online. The only explanation is that there's not enough irl fan of Sakura and/or SasuSaku.
>>287853535>Sakura is a bad character because editors decided to just throw her awayBrother, Hinata's character was smothered in the crib and it took extreme measures like suicidal confession and Neji's death to bring her back. She got zero focus on her inner life or her feelings after part 1, her getting almost killed by Neji is an afterthought, her relationships with her father, sister and teacher are nonexistent, she has almost no interactions with the rest of the cast, no dreams and desires besides being with Naruto and her signature jutsu was never used once. Be thankful for what you have.
would love to have a hardworking and beautiful partner like Sakura. or Tsunade.Ino is good too.
>>287853753>>287853839I'm pretty sure that's because of ship's popularity.
>>287853753I haven’t read the novels and don’t really care about them, I meant the goods/accessories. It wouldn’t be good business to keep shoving her there, they’d just use a more popular girl if they need a smurfette. Just look at how Ranma merch always makes Shampoo and female Ranma merch despite Akane being the main female lead.
>>287853966Sakurafags are so damm greedy. Almost any other characterful would kill for their favourite having more screentime.
this thread is mental. Seriously what is there to actual like about Sakura beyond her being the main heroine? I guess she's kinda cute as a kid and milf but that's about it
>>287854001Sasusaku is the most popular/largest part of sakuras online fandom. Or one of the most dedicated.
>>287853966One character's bad writing does not excuse the other's treatment.
Honestly, Kishimoto just kept digging Hinata's grave. She fucked Naruto. and that's all? She does nothing for Hyuuga clan, she doesn't learn new techniques, in ending for part one she serves tea while other kids train. In mange she didn't even managed to land a hit on pain nor help naruto escape. she is just loved because she's cute + she's shy + she's naruto's wife.
