>>287828387
Basically, snk was always a series with a well-executed plot but a somewhat weak cast. The ending tried to focus more on the cast, and that's why it was a weak ending. Isayama isn't good at creating characters, which is funny because his inspirations excel at that. Characters like Mikasa, Ymir, Historia, Eren... were wasted or misused. Besides; little details, a very questionable plan, and worse pacing. Casual viewers don't care much about it because of that; they don't worry about the characters. But if you were interested in the quality of the anime like I was, it was a disappointment. Furthermore, the animation and designs declined

because he turned into a bird and then everyone got carpet bombed by B2 bombers

>>287828387
People don’t like to be told that their petty destructive urges are just stupid

>>287828387
it's not the chud revenge self-insert fantasy I wanted it to be

Most people don’t hate it so the premise of this thread is flawed. Please remove it from the board.

I liked a few of the soundtracks from season 4

>>287828387
Marley was introduced as a place where an officer can simply decide to feed a child to his dogs. Where Eldian families are driven to sacrifice their own children to either satisfy or oppose the regime, with universally tragic results (Grisha, Zeke, Reiner, Kruger). There are no innocents in Marley. Worse, Marley's unusually KIND to Eldians, as it relies on titan warfare. So, the whole world is a nazi shithole. And a peaceful takeover isn't an option. It's genocide for one side or the other.
And then Isayama wrote a final season that ignores all that.

>>287828387
Because regardless of whether or not you think Eren was justified in his actions the the build up and foundation of the story is the cycle of violence and how hard it is to avoid even when you're operating with a noble purpose or in good faith, so Eren cucking out of that purpose with his dozens of inconsistent reasons for why he did it and time shenanigans completely undermines the story we've been reading. Also Eren should fundamentally be unbeatable as the Founding Titan, any scenario of him losing while having god tier powers is essentially deus ex machina. Isayama wrote himself into a corner and spewed out pure bullshit because he was uncomfortable writing the ending he originally wanted or got pressured to change it.

>>287828530
Was gonna argue against your point about the characters, but seeing how many were handled in the long run, especially in the final season... Yeah, you are right there...

>>287828387
Honestly even just that faggoty poster pisses me off.

>>287828387
It makes people look back and notice the path was always shit

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>>287828387
You know damn well why.

>>287828387
Because schizos here wanted Eren to kill everyone outside the walls and then go back home and marry Historia.

>>287829978
>Marley's unusually KIND to Eldians
The fact that our only source for that is some irrelevant brat is one of the many things that frustrate me about the final arcs.
Talk about wasted potential.

S1 was kino, after that they do what you never do and explain the magic
>midichlorians

>>287828387
S1-3 was good, then became literally muh holocaust, muh jooz, muh war - bad

>>287828387
the first three seasons were all about mystery intrigue and david vs goliath type shit. the last season kills off all the mystery with lame answers, the horror elements are all gone and it becomes political wankery, and then there's a fuck ton of convoluted unnecessary bullshit thrown on top like fucking time travel. Considering how great the end of season 3 is, I've never seen a more dramatic and immediate downhill turn in any anime. It's like GOT but even worse because that one gradually gets worse after season 4 before going full retard. But AOT goes from peak anime to boring gay nonsense almost instantaneously.

the worst episode of the first 3 seasons is better than the best episode of the last however many seasons
so many things thrown on top of a story direction that sucked major dick as well

>>287828387
I wanted mikasa x eren. I did not receive mikasa x eren. I dislike this show for not giving me what I want

>"Eren became a protagonist who committed mass slaughter on a scale rarely seen in other works of fiction. As for why I conceived such a story from the beginning, part of it was my desire to create a narrative with a major twist—where the victim becomes the perpetrator. But a large factor was also my own immaturity and foolishness at the time, when I was in my early twenties. That aspect became the core of Eren's character, leading to the point where he confesses not as someone forced into wrongdoing by circumstances, but as someone who harbored a desire to do harm. However, "Attack on Titan" had long since ceased to be mine alone, and Eren became a character loved by many readers. In the end, without fully committing to portraying him as a detestable figure, I found myself depicting him with a certain closeness and sympathy. As a result, I feel there remains a sense of insincerity in the story's conclusion—at least in my own assessment."
- Isayama

Even this retard realized he fucked it up.

>>287834376
I really liked Mikasa and thought she was a victim who deserved better so what better end than with Jean and who Eren hated lol

>>287828387
I remember an anon outlining perfectly why the ending is just genuinely terrible. Had to dig around the archive for it but basically
>The ending is a jumbled mess where each new scene reveals new twists that directly contradict what was established just moments ago, that's why literally no one can agree on anything, everyone focuses on the parts they like and gloss over the parts they didn't care for like a Build-An-Ending station

>>287834376
I mean, technically you did get eremika, for like a couple of scenes that are considered among the worst of the ending and got overshadowed by a last minute jenkasa end, but technically you got eremika at the end.

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>>287828387
>Why do people hate it?

People think the panel in question ruined the manga because it proved Eren was a fraud. For me, it did the opposite. It humanized him to the point where I strongly identified with him. I understood his thought process, and that's exactly why I began to hate him.

He had the chance to have Mikasa for himself. He had the chance to be happy, to rebel against his so called "fate", to take her in his arms and make her his. But he choose to not, and she ended up giving herself to someone else. That's unforgivable. Having a golden opportunity and wasting it.

The level of empathy I felt for Eren is extremely rare, and watching him fail hurt more than it should have. It reminded me of my own wasted opportunities. At least in fiction, I want to see a character I identify with actually win for once.

Eren should have won. Instead, the author chose a different ending, and that also feels unforgivable to me. It comes as a vain attempt at "artistic vision"

A mangaka from a popular series should give readers what they want, not indulge their own ideas, because people SUPPORTED him over years and they deserve a satisfactory resolution. The worst offense a manga author can make is trying to create an ending for themselves and not an ending for the reader, at some point the Mangaka should understand his manga is no longer his, it belongs to the fans that supported him for years.
Ungrateful mangakas deserve nothing but losing the support of his fans forever.

Eren should have killed everyone outside of Paradis and his friends should have supported him and Floch. The fact that they were against him led to their downfall in the end. There is nothing wrong with genocide if it’s the only way to save your people from oppression and certain death.

>>287835563
I honestly never really understood why Hange and the others were so opposed to the Rumbling to such a degree, like, I get it, Global Genocide is objectively a horrible thing, and frankly, I was happy seeing them feel comflicted about the whole thing (in my opinion it would have been way worse if they just accepted it without issue or complaint), but they themselves admit they didn't have any other option, no alternative plan, nothing that they could bring up and guarantee it would actually save Paradis and get them the freedom they spent so much time, spilled so much blood and sacrificed so many lifes fighting for.
It's especially weird given how unbothered and willing to follow Erwin's plans, Hange and Levi especially, which often ended with a lot of lives lost and high amounts of damage and destruction, the Female Titan arc showcased that perfectly, especially when the battle at Stohess happened and who knows how many people lost their homes or even their lives due to Erwin's gamble.
Really, it's just another case of Isayama trying to have his cake and eat it, building everything to make the Rumbling feel like the only genuinely viable option Paradis and Eren had, shutting down and/or refusing to properly explore other potential solutions (the Volunteers were right there, and Yams basically did nothing with them, didn't even give Onyankonpon's country a name for fuck's sake).

>>287828387
not my problem

>>287828387
Because it made all the good that came before it meaningless, pointless and useless.

>>287828387
It's bad

>>287828387
>Muh WW2 symbolism
>Muh Norse mythology symbolism
>Muh Biblical symbolism
It became a 2deep4u Evangelion wannabe with mediocre characters and a schizophrenic plot

These threads never fail to make me at least smile like a retard,the rants are golden mountains

>>287837503
Same, too bad they tend to die so quickly.

>>287828387
Author pussied out at the end due to global pressure.

>>287828387
The low IQ audience hated the ending because it didn't end how they wanted. The high IQ audience hated the ending because it didn't adhere to the themes Isayama intended it to.

>>287828387
Eren was supposed to be literally hitler but isayama cucked out

>>287828387
Fundamentally, I disliked the way the story moved from warfare to magic. Like, I thought Marley was a fascinating opponent, and the Rumbling was awesome.
I don't like Eren doing his weird mental time-travel thing or him doing the Zero Requiem But Ironically. None of that made much sense to me, plot-wise: It felt like the entire genre had shifted.

>>287828387
AoT declined when Erwin died.

>>287828387
Because the retard wanted to write a protagonist who likes harming other people for the lolz but wrote a story where harming other people is the right course of action.
Yes, killing your oppressors is correct. Only cucks disagree.

it went to shit as soon as it introduced titan shifting. eren should have stayed dead and the series should have continued being about guys fighting giants with spiderman gear.

>>287832875
>>287828387
because it's popular and a lot of faggots were really ostentatious about being into it in season 1 back in like 2012

>>287829978
>>287833800
one thing people keep missing is that Willy started to get more involved and was trying to slowly course correct Marley, which is things were actually getting better for Eldians (compare the guards from Grisha's time to the current one, or the fact that people were willing to sympathize with them over the Liberio attack at all)

>>287839065
One can only imagine what Erwin would have done during the final arcs if he had won the serum bowl (well, assuming Isayama didn't fuck up his character).
At the very least, he may have been able to keep moral and belief in their superior up among the soldiers, I think, seemed like that was something Hange and Armin struggled with.

>>287828387
post timeskip sucks, ending was just the final exclamation point.

>>287839436
>nooooo isayama didn’t fulfill MY fantasy!!!
the eternally vindicated take on SnK ending

>>287840049
He was the reason why Eren got the ancient titan powers in the first place. He was a warmongering expansionist who saw his little imperialist state starting to crumble, and tried to steal Paradis' resources.
The fact that the whole world found out that he and his traitorous swine of a family was ruling Marley as a shadow government, but still followed him was stupid.

>>287841327
>my fantasy
Of what? You don't think people should use violence to fight their oppressor? Are you a migger friend of Israel by any chance? Isayama can write whatever he wants, I have every right to judge him.

I preferred when the story focused on Reiner (and Gabi).

The whole second part is a complete fumble. Characters who's arcs are done need to suddenly enter the story again, and new characters get shot back into tertiary character status despite having way more going for them.

The Marley Arc is genuinely a brilliant context shift and sets up the story to be fascinating reversal of the Heroes And Villains context. It's not just doing an "all sides are le bad" thing, it's essentially rebooting the story with Eren and the Eldians being the bad guys.
This creates a fun setting because the story can present them as mysterious antagonists who are dangerous, even though we as an audience have the meta knowledge of who they are and been able to spend 5+ years from their perspective.
Reiner can be presented as the mysterious tormented hero we can sympathise for, but the audience actually knows what he did and already has judgements.

You get so many stories that try to make villains sympathetic and it doesn't work because ultimately we still care for the protagonists because we have spent more time with them. AOT had the opportunity to completely solve that fundamental issue.
If the story just stayed with Falco and Reiner as the main protagonists and cast all of our hecking marketable chunguses into this darker light, it would feel like master stroke of paying off years of work. Why would we care when Sasha dies, she's just a secondary villain we know nothing about, right?
Just write the whole thing dead serious and straight, and let the dissonance occur in the reader's minds. It would be a far better criticism of blind prejudice than anything Isayama actually wrote in the end.

>>287840049
>Willy started to get more involved and was trying to slowly course correct Marley
Willy pleaded for the eradication of innocents with tears in his eyes

>>287842635
yeah but in order to save the non paradis eldians

>>287828387
>posts the most shitty ending of the past 25 years
>why do people hate it?

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ANNIE!

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What was even the point of Eren ""freeing"" Ymir

>>287828387
Because it’s ass after the basement reveal.

>>287846161
I genuinely couldn't tell you at this point
>Ymir and her people are taken as slaves by king fritz, being put to work in horrible conditions, beaten and killed for any tiny reason
>Ymir sees the pigs caged in, and sets them free. The only possible reason we the reader have to interpret this is that she did it because she sympathized with the caged animal, setting them free because she also wishes she could be free
>LMAO ACTUALLY YMIR FUCKING LOVED FRITZ, SHE JUST FELT LIKE BEING BRATTY AND RELEASED THEM TO GET DADDYS ATTENTION
>Also Ymir needed to see Mikasa kill Eren, in order for her to move on from her own love from king fritz, even though the two relationships are fucking nothing alike???
>also Eren LITERALLY does not know why he was doing what he was doing, since the power of the attack/founding titan brain fucked him
So Ymir basically orchestrated the whole thing in order to free herself, but for fucking what? I don't understand her character or motivations at all

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>>287828387
>let's leave the surviving main cast to bring you the new and improved cast that want to genocide the first main cast
>let's make most of them main characters and the remaining to Mary Sues
>did you know that the first cast of characters you know and love are actually le bad?
>hopefully this will make you like our arrogant cunt Mary Sue
>do you get it guise she is just like Ereh's reflection reflected back at Ereh or something
>anyway this new country wants to wipe out everything and everyone the first three seasons established
>except of course for their walking war crimes they use to win wars
>did u know genocide is bad?
>hope you like this morally gray stuff
>anyway since you love the new Mary Sue so much let us have her kill on of the main supporting characters
>she suffers no consequences don't you worry
>anyway Ereh wants to genocide everyone to save titan people
>but his friends who are also titan people don't want that so they betray him, their country, their families and everyone who died for them
>did u know genocide is bad?
>and they team up with people who want to genocide them
>and then they massacre their own soldiers who are hesitant to hurt them because they are friends
>also you remember that guy who went on a suicide charge to buy our main characters time?
>yeah he is a mustache twirling villain that will be proven right at the end
>that girl who massacred the scouts also escapes but Levi forgives her for turning his squad into decapitated corpses because le cake le funny face
I could go on about ASIAN PUSSY ARUMIN and other such dogshit but I will just say that everything after and including the basement reveal was terrible and executed in the worst way possible.

>>287841433
>The fact that the whole world found out that he and his traitorous swine of a family was ruling Marley as a shadow government, but still followed him was stupid.
That was one of the stupidest parts of the ending, and really goes hand in hand with the "Marley has many enemies" thing Isayama basically forgot about.

>>287847891
Marley should have exploded into a civil war.
A bunch of inbred Eldian scum ruling your country in luxury, while the nation bleeds out in constant war. What happened to the super racism?

The first half was great, but I lost interest and never finished it.

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>>287849330
You should finish it

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i forgive Isayama for his mistakes regardless. It was pretty much his first big work,he was like 20 when this blew up and he barely had any experience writing manga or life experience to back up a solid and confident conclusion in the end. a shame it seems he's not interested in making more stuff.

>>287848622
Honestly, yeah, Willy's little reveal should have caused a lot of chaos considering Marley's attitude towards Eldians, what the latter have had to endure and the reveal that a good part of their history was a lie that the Tyburs were in on and benefitting from at the cost of basically everyone else.

>>287828387
>before time skip
>characters were sacrificed for the sake of the plot
>after time skip
>the plot was crificed for the sake of the charactersb
>before the time skip
>conflicts are resolved with solid, straightforward logic.
>after the time skip
>conflicts are resolved with deus ex machina and “power of friendship” shenanigans

>>287835546
I hate the post timeskip but the ending is literally the only thing saving eren from actual "most retarded character" award.

>>287835546
>A mangaka from a popular series should give readers what they want, not indulge their own ideas, because people SUPPORTED
Wait nevermind, this is a twitter/reddit post right

Part 2 was written after the anime came out.
Part 2 is literally fanservice, written only to pander to the animeonlies.
The original ideas were raped.

>>287828387
It was shit after the timeskip. That simple.

>>287828387
Because Eren (people's self-insert character) got cucked

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>>287849880
>he was like 20 when this blew up
The earlier part of the story was edgy. Kinda like what a teenager would write when unfiltered and he was talented enough to make it work. The post time skip part was pretentious.
I don't know if it was pop-media influence or just his publisher reigning him in. If i had to pick one i would say the former.

>>287851330
Ah yes, the greatest power fantasy of all: self-inserting as the Abductee Titan

>>287841440
Paradis is Israel, and Eldians are Jews. Cope all you want about that, retard.

>>287851953
Explains the rumbling

>>287851998
Never heard of the Sampson Option, have you?

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>>287852031
that was actually what I was joking about

>>287851437
Considering he watched Avengers and then made the Alliance, it was definitely pop media influencing him more than it should.

The biggest flaw by far was having Erens friends oppose the rumbling while also acknowledging they had no other options
>The entire world outside of Paradis wants us all dead and are coming to kill us
>Even the small amount of people who don't want us dead will not stand with us and will stand by and let us get killed
>NOOOOOOOO EREN DON'T KILL THEM BEFORE THEY CAN KILL US, GENOCIDE IS WRONG, BUT I'M NOT WILLING TO STOP OTHERS FROM GENOCIDING US!!!!
Maybe if they had some kind of other plan I could get on board, but it's fucking ridiculous that they acknowledge that there's no other plan and still fight to oppose Eren

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>>287828387
>Why do people hate it?
>people
you mean ragebating parasites that hatepost on everything popular?

Eren Yaeger is a hero in this household understand

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>>287853978
It's a shame he was stopped

It seems strange not seeing any EM or EH posting. I guess things have cooled down.

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>>287854078
EH was better than EM in my opinion, but Historia and Annie as sisters is better than both

>>287854078
for the life of me I cannot understand why people gave a fuck about shipping at all in this series

>>287854287
It's shipping anon, it basically will worm its way to any series or franchise that exists, no matter how irrelevant romance is for the series in question, best to not put much effort in trying to understand it or the people that participate in it, it's a fool's errand.

>>287853673
This.
Like, it's fine that they feel some level of conflict over the whole thing, but it's reidiculous that they keep stubbornly opposing the Rumbling when even they recognized, several times at that, that they had no plan, idea or alternative that could actually guarantee Paradis' safety without having to rely on the Rumbling. It just doesn't make sense, especially given everything they went through throughout the entire series prior.

Why should Paradis be safe, honestly

>>287851437
>I don't know if it was pop-media influence or just his publisher reigning him in.
Isayama admitted it was pop culture.
A couple years before the ending he admitted it was originally going to end similar to The Mist, but decided to make it closer to Guardians of the Galaxy.

>>287828387
Because it's bad.

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>>287853673
This

Second one is the Eren was never actually free shit
Ruins the whole manga retroactively and makes zero fucking sense

Third one is funny pie face, all is forgiven :D

>>287828387
I'll go over where the series went wrong for me.

1. I mostly checked out after they started fighting other people. Not Titan shifters, just human on human combat. I generally stop following a series when they radically change the premise. I stopped reading Watamote once she started having a lot of friends. I stopped reading Kaguya-sama once the main couple was confirmed and the plot stopped being about teasing each other. The series really needs to go out of its way to justify the change in premise and show that it's a major improvement to the story (think JoJo). AoT did not achieve this.
2. Further along, the story's premise again drastically changes by showing that Titans aren't even really a big deal, they are just there for Eldians to punish them. To be fair, I stopped reading before here, so maybe this was handled better than I would know.
3. There's really no good explanation for the paths bullshit. This is the big one. I have never seen anyone explain why paths was good writing or what it accomplished that couldn't have been accomplished in a less retarded way. To me, the point seems to be showing how Eren's total hatred has destroyed any remaining connection he had to his family. Rather than loving them and appreciating their sacrifices for him, it's all just justification to wage endless war because of his hatred. WE DID NOT NEED WEIRD TIME TRAVEL BULLSHIT TO EXPLAIN THIS IDEA. The symbolism of Eren giving up his love for others due to this hatred is totally obvious if you just think. There is zero subtlety or realism with paths.

>>287856718
What me and you think is irrelevant. What the characters think is all that matters, and we got were a bunch of Avenger wannabes trying to stop the one guy who can save their home and people from being exterminated by a bunch of genocidal assholes.

>>287858018
Why should everyone else be genocided by the Eldians? If the Eldians want to do genocide, why is the reverse choice not allowed to the rest of the world?

>>287858408
Nta, but why should Paradis get genocided by everyone else? They hadn't done anything to the rest of the world in over a century, yet everyone decided they should get wiped out completely for reasons and refused any diplomatic solution, they were the ones that pushed Paradis into taking such an extreme decision in the first place.
If the rest of the world wants to do a genocide against Paradis, why should the reverse choice not be allowed to Paradis?

>>287858912
The one who took the action first was Eren, everything was in response to him and his actions. He was the one who took things beyond any talk and refused any diplomatic solution.
Eren and the Eldians took things to genocide first.

>>287856945
>but decided to make it closer to Guardians of the Galaxy.
That actually explains quite a bit...