Chapter 27: Final ExamArchive:https://desuarchive.org/a/search/subject/daily%20kengan/start/2025-12-14/order/asc/
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Chapter 28: Full Contact
>>287852311THe... HE GOT... HE GOT IT.. RIGHT!
>>287852169>on the count of 1.9kekwe are doing fractions on ring countdowns now?
It's weird how the best part of Omega is basically just Fist of the Seeker sequel
>>287852226I love seeing Koga's attitude and character development. In less than 30 chapters, Sandro has gracefully given him a change of worldview that feels organic. All of his growth feels earned.Which is why it infuriates me to see him turn into a bully. And what's worse is that Sandro probably didn't intend for him to be a bully. He has no idea how much none of the shit he does to Yumi and Xia Ji feels earned. And how rushed it all feels. As if Koga didn't spend 100+ chapters being on the sidelines as a small role NPC before Sandwich clumsily tried to make him cool and a protagonist again BECAUSE HE HAD NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT TO DO WITH OHMA OTHER THAN TO TURN HIM INTO LE STOIC FAEC.
>>287852311lmao
Chapter 29: Pursuit
anon“ am still „green“ and new too omega.So when exactly does it turn to shit?Im actually enjoying it right now
>>287852601That's not too surprising; people really liked early Omega.You'll know when the manga's decline begins when "that" happens. Can't miss it.
>>287852311Barbeque?
>>287852655I would say when „The tradegy“ happens it goes downhill.
>>287852347The strongest appears.
>>287852077Power bottom Adam
>>287852464Koga getting full of himself again
>>287852787I mean, Muteba sensed Akoya's murderous aura through fucking TV, Ryuki's spider sense must've been firing nonstop
>>2878526017 days.
>>287852278househusband koga
DONE
>>287852347>>287852366ENTER THE BEST CHARACTER IN OMEGA
>>287852772That's a big knife
>>287852929>>287852929>>287852929>>287852929
>>287852102Wasn't Kurachi a hardass in Seki's backstory? Surely he could do something about Haruo's weight
>>287852204>offscreening AGAINAt this point Sandrobitch was plainly over writing fights, and he began to offscreen them whenever he could get away with it.
>>287852601You will know exactly when Omega turns to shit. I am very confident about that.
>>287852347Legit one of the worst faggots in the whole manga. Hate this wood plank like you wouldn't believe.
>>287853028This one's nowhere near as offensive as Ryuki vs the guy I already forgot the name of.
>>287852855Never expected Sadako to lurk keng/a/n but yeah she's right.
>>287852077FFUUUUUCK
>>287853028What do you think this is, some sort of fighting manga? No, it's a sitcom.
>>287852278Oh, nice, I wont have to find the 4-koma. Thank you.
>>287853095He's only bad because his relationship with Shen is probably what solidified Shen as a chungus-type for Sandro Other than that he would have made for a harmless FotS guest character
So how are all of "you" feeling about Omega so far? Asking for both the veterans and the "green" ones.
>>287853457Some of my favorite chapters in Omega are the ones ITT and in the previous daily thread. I just love the sports underdog theme Omega had prior to THAT chapter.Such a theme necessitates a slower burn to make any progress feel satisfying and earned. Also important is that the power levels of our two heroes is way lower than the apexes of the Kengan universe, which helps to underline the underdog feel. Sadly, it seems like Sandro grew impatient with this format. He seems turned on by the idea of messing and playing with his readers, which is why everything from THAT chapter has been so obsessed with subverting expectations. Think about it. Everything from chapter 1 of Omega till THAT chapter was very much a straightforward story. Its focus was on the characters/athletes and their struggles, not on a million-layered mystery with a billion twists and turns and flimsy attempts at worldbuilding and lore (things that Sandro is inherently incapable of doing since he's allergic to any kind of planning). Omega prior to THAT chapter wasn't reliant on shock value. It felt more like Rocky/The Wrestler starring Mickey Rourke than some Rian Johnson whodunit garbage.
>>287853783Take a shot for every "THAT chapter"I think what may have happened, depending how you want to look at it, is that the slow burn just didn't translate into reader retention.So to fix that, THAT chapter occurred, and from that point onwards, nobody involved would give a shit anymore.
>>287853857I think you're ont something, Kengan's readership is full of retarded monkeys slurping everything Sandro shits out.>>287853783>Rian Johnson whodunit garbageExcellent comparison. Also I'd add that it's very likely Sandro simply lost his taste for martial arts, considering how the absolute abhorrent amount of slice of life he progressively forced on Omega.
>>287852601You will now when. Trust me.
>>287853857I think Sandro's ultimate mistake here was stretching a training arc into 45 chapters. There should have been mini junior tournaments here, maybe the Kengan Entrance exam happens early.But we got 40 chapters of training arc, reader count plummeted, sandro panicked so he resorted to "that".
>>287853457I'm enjoying myself. I'm very curious just how bad "THAT" chapter actually is in reality, since anons have been bringing it up since early Ashura. I really like Koga as a protag much more than Ohma and Ohma 2, but I really am hungry as to when the next big fight is gonna happen since I'm still coming off the high of the tournament.
>>287854146Non plot related spoiler, but the Kengan vs Purgatory tournament should start dumping in about a week from now.It's actually quite fun. I enjoyed it, despite the MEMERY and everything. It was peak Kengan discussion.
>>287853857>I think what may have happened, depending how you want to look at it, is that the slow burn just didn't translate into reader retention.You don't have to speculate. That's exactly what happened, or at least for /a/. I very distinctly remember tons of people in the threads bitching about the slow burn and how they wanted another big tournament to happen already. Also, apologies for the repetitive texts. My post was just a big angry rant without any editing to trim down repetition. >>287854121>stretching a training arc into 45 chapters.See, I don't think it's a mistake at all, because as I wrote earlier, this sort of character development necessitates a slower burn in terms of pacing. Besides, it's not as this early phase of Omega was 100% training. You still regularly had fights, like the recent Nitoku fight or Ryuki versus Kokuro or what have you. No big tournaments for sure, but still plenty of fights. In fact, I'd say that even smaller "training" fights like Joji beating up Koga in the current chapter feels far more impactful and memorable than stuff like the RCT
>>287852311the timing... The timing! THE TIMING!!!
>>287854318The speculation part was more that it was the motivation for it, but places like Keng/a/n bitching about it lends credibility to it.>You still regularly had fights, like the recent Nitoku fight or Ryuki versus Kokuro or what have you.I think the problem with the slow burn can be found here though. The fights are very short and simple, hell, we don't even see Ryuki's fight with Pankration.Showing their growth with actual fights is kind of needed.Maybe part of that is just the expectations people have of fights from KAT, where basically any real fight would be at least 5 chapters.
>>287854531I miss pastebin/pankration poster. He really brought new life to these threads.
Hassad soon.
Pastebin vs Sandrobitch -Circa 2024>>287854555I hated him, he was such an annoying autist. But his replacement with the reddit spacing is even worse. I would "take" Pastebin over him any day.
>>287852384>>287852398>>287852405what a cute bottom
>>287852986Haruo is still fast and agile that extra weight probably gives him a ring gimmick and bit of an advantage
>>287852366I love this Karatehobo
So you're telling me THAT chapter happened because the average keng/a/n reader is a dopamine monkey-fiend that's needed ever grander and more spectacular fights and didn't appreciate the build-up? We deserve everything we got if that's the case, but I wish we had actual statistics
>>287852405>Your uncle airing your dirty laundry in front of your sensei Koga deserves it for being a little shit
>>287854686What's the difference?>reddit spacing autistWho? I have no clue who you're talking about. There's not any big arguments in these threads right now. I "miss" him because he invited quality seethe into these threads which they have been sorely missing. What's Omega threads without rage?
>>287855461I pretty sure you're replying to the source of the seethe
>>287852772Akoya is still "green"
>>287852102OK SANDRO WE GET IT, HARUO'S STILL A FAT FUCK AND HIS CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT WAS CANNED, STOP RUBBING IT IN>>287852418>uhh uncle, why are you undressing?
>>287852102>more fat jokesReally telling that they never valued the character developement he had
How long until KogaFORMA DE SIX SCOOPS ?
>>287855461His posts don't get many replies so you probably missed them. He's in every thread though. I'll admit Pastebin made some genuinely hilarious posts like the one where he details how he would beat every KAT fighter.>>287855492Yeah, I was a good part of the seethe. But I wasn't the only one.
>>287855214Come on, don't be disingenuous.The specific example of Keng/a/n's bitching was used to illustrate a much larger trend of discontent with "slow" pacing that very likely was also happening in the broader readership of Kengan Omega, including the Japanese readership, especially since so many readers had (as one anon put it earlier ITT) come off the high of KAT's final fights, and were eager to see fights like that again.It's not a stretch to argue that Sandro saw this and that these trends informed his decision to abruptly change course.Because no matter how you put it, THAT chapter was definitely a spur-of-the-moment decision.You can say all you want about how the ending of Asura had that small hint of Ohma still being alive with that Hanafusa scene of him being called for something urgent and how Sandro always wanted Ohma to come back.But the execution and the abrupt nature of what happened that chapter, and the fact that so much of Omega changed in terms of pacing and its shift away from sports underdog story to convoluted Wormshit and mysteryboxes and powerlevels suggests that Sandro's change of heart for Omega's direction at that precise moment in the story was very sudden and not very well thought out, and was more of a panic attempt to quickly recapture readers (with extremely dire consequences for all of Omega), instead of something he planned to do at that exact moment.
>>287852169Slippery Koga.
>>287852335>what language is this?Thaibros, not like this....
>>287855965I wasn't being facetious or coy anon. Everything you say makes total sense, and it certainly would explain the aberrant change in Omega's writing. But I asked for stats becuase I was always under the impression that Sandro did what he did due to being a hack and letting his worst writing habits take charge. If he really did change course due to readership, then that makes him more sympathetic to me.
>>287852601You know how you will know when it turns to shit?You'll see the 3-4 pages prior to that moment getting like a billion angry/schizo responses (including angry/schizo responses from me). It's gonna be beautiful. An entire community of schizos will get to relive a moment of great trauma.
>>287854942it also gives him exploding knees
>>287852464Here I thought he learned his lesson.
>>287856352Apologies, in that case. I completely misread your tone as being filled with sarcasm and disbelief.As for your query, I am not aware of any publication statistics that would back the claims I made. >If he really did change course due to readership, then that makes him more sympathetic to me.It would be one thing to reschedule and move up exciting events the way live service games often do when their playercounts are low (like gacha games suddenly rerunning older and more popular character banners if a recent new character banner flopped), but it's another thing to radically change course the way he did. There are so many ways he could have gone about trying to rejuvenate and retain his readership, and he went about it in the most damaging and careless way possible.
>>287856480Shit what pro wrestler doesn't have that. I bet Seki sounds like rice krispies every time he kneels or walks wrong
>>287852772Does that count as a knife win?
>>287853457This part of Omega is genuinely well written. The training arc juxtaposed with the recruiting drive and the Worm background actions makes an enjoyable read.
>>287852895Ryuki is so lucky
>>287852445>WakatsukiDamn, nice tie-in
>>287852601That's because it's pretty good right now. It's got all the right signs for a solid setup.
>>287852356Koga looks like a total sissy here
>>287853457As a veteran that fell off the wagon at That Chapter then checked in on the threads once every couple of years, it's good. There are thus far no signs of decay, which only makes the rapidly approaching tragedy all the worse.
>>287853857>I think what may have happened, depending how you want to look at it, is that the slow burn just didn't translate into reader retention.I agree, it's the only way to make sense of it all. It's not that I don't understand or begrudge him for it, it's just that it completely ruined something I was enjoying beyond recognition and tore out its soul to wear it as skin.
Newfag here. Finished Kengan already. Kuroki is some kind of anomaly. >beat the rival>beat the lover boy>beat the main antagonist>beat the protagonistWhat was the author trying to say with this guy?Also, why was everyone losing their minds over the sixth fang last thread? Guess he's a jobber
>>287852823That he's head and shoulders above the crowd doesn't help
>>287852311>cooking meat>timingDecimating 4koma.
>>287857074>What was the author trying to say with this guy?Kuroki was originally meant to lose to Lihito and then guide him later but Sandro changed his mind, then I guess after that he must have thought Kuroki beating everyone he fought was a neat idea and ran with it>Also, why was everyone losing their minds over the sixth fang last thread? Guess he's a jobber It's worse, Yumi gets completely deflated and every instance of him being mentioned is to insult or demean his character even when it's not necessary. A jobber would at least get lip-service, Yumi just gets bitched by everyone
>>287857074>What was the author trying to say with this guy?Fear an old man in a career where men die young. Experience over everything. It's up to you to decide how much of it is cool and how much of it is cope from old men
>>287853457Imagine being the employee having to stare at Agito's cock and balls while putting that on.Ah, about omega... it's alright.
>>287853457at this point just wear shorts man
>>287852646>>287852660>things that went nowhereNot that I was itching for even more FotS MCU stuff, but another early example.
>>287852077Must be a lovers spat. Maybe Cosmo came without him.
>>287852809>how can this random salaryman NOT work for any Japanese corporation??
>>287852178This looks gay
Omega is a lot gayer than Kengan, bros.
>>287852875>>287852908I miss these early chapters so fucking much. Think about it, genuinely, when is the last time there ever any kind of discussion of the actual details or differences of martial arts? Not counting HE WAS A STRIKER, HE WAS A GRAPPLER, CAN I MAKE IT ANY MORE OBVIOUS.We had been showing worrying signs for a while, but it's abundantly clear that nobody is an actual martial artist in modern Omega, the only "styles" practiced are blurry limb striking and facetanking tackles.
>>287857229
>>287857342not really
>>287857342I would be amazed if anything tops Adam watching Cosmo grapple Ohma and being reminded of his rodeo cowboy dad riding bulls.
>>287852178i gotta give it to daro he always makes sure to draw the nipples erect
>>287853783>Rian Johnson whodunit garbagei liked the knives out movies
>>287857074>What was the author trying to say with this guy?martial arts strong.
>>287857176Could also just as well mean that the old men in those careers never did anything that risky.
>>287857298It's because you can see Koga's nipple, remove it at the scene becomes thirty percent less gay
>>287857737To be honest the saying usually means that you should be wary of him because there's a good chance he's a treacherous fuck that'll get you killed, but it does work for Kuroki
>>287852905>>287851202 (You)>He doesn't even say it. You're seeing imaginary references at this point.>He doesn't even say it.You successfully baited me, because you're wrong.Bye.
>>287852601It is literally like a light switch. Almost everyone loved the first few volumes of Omega.
>>287852660>>287852673>>287852686>>287852701>>287852712I like this little scuffle. You feel the weight of their effort.
>>287852347Wakatsuki Blanco???
>>287852236>Building Sign>Orthopedic>OsteopathicSo which is it?
>>287852508>get cocky>talk shit>immediately get put through a humiliation ritualRepeat over and over
>>287852294Ryuki, you're giving Koga a panic cossack.
Um, isn't this "foreigner" talking to Kazzy >>287852294 the same guy sparring with Kog? >>287852660
>>287853457I loved early Omega. Some of the most fun I ever had with a fighting manga.
>>287857074Fundamentals > Fancy technique shit
>>287857342>semenarche>if you were a girl I'd kiss you>brokeback DudleyThe only way Omega could be gayer than Ashura is if it included an actual gay sex sceneThe only argument you could make is that while Ashura is extremely gay it also has a lot of straight fanservice while Omega doesn't really have anything to balance out the homoeroticism>>287857468>I would be amazed if anything tops AdamCosmo, every weekend
>>287853028It's a fighting manga, you cant waste all the good shit early on.
>>287852178What is that erect rectangle?
>>287852294Please imagine MukaKEK doing that on the right
>>287859334He probably does it while smoking a pipe and then drinks some hard liqor afterwards
>>287852069I hope that all the new readers are aware of where they are standing right now... the Titanic.
>>287852601Unlike a lot of other manga that slowly go bad where fans have some debate about when precisely they turned to shit there is an exact page where Omega suddenly stops being good completely and never recovers.
>>287859966NTA but I see.It's like the moment Azami shows up in Souma. That's the only other manga equivalent I can think of.
>>287852311He is the one grillmaster to rule them all...
>>287860075>>287859966Or Tooru
>>287852464Kogabros are we fucking retarded...
>>287852508KWAB
>>287857962I can see why Toriyama always drew them as simple circles
>>287860235All signs point to yes >>287852311
>>287860235I'm gonna be honest manIt's not looking good
>>287859966There's the big one, and then there's a series of smaller but still noticeable cliffs it falls off afterwards while in the slow, drawn out process of dying.>>287860075As someone who "scaled the wall" of Souma in the last storytime, I can say there's a few other familiar points of comparison you can use here. There's the Azami introduction and the other stuff attached to it in that arc yes, but then you ALSO have El Hermano. And yes, the El Hermano in this DOES in fact have his own iconic cross knives page.
>>287852673>>287852686>>287852701>>287852712>sub-boat jobber tier koga vs literally nameless random karate jobber has clearer, more impactful choreography than any "high level exchange" from the past hundred+ chapters of omegaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA IT HURTS IT HURTS IT HURTS
>>287853457I'm liking it so far. Seeing Koga slowly get stronger is my favourite part and it's a good change of pace since Ohma was already strong from the beginning. I can't wait to see what his finishing move ends up being.
>>287861102Why did you post a picture of the average Omega reader?
>>287858839It's a fighting manga. You can't not have fights.
>>287858839There's "wasting the good shit early on", and then there's failing to conclude a fight you began on-screen.
>>287852464Koga learned a bunch of useless fighting techniques, but he never learned how to avoid hexing himself.
>>287860075Azami showing up isn't equivalentYeah he had some bad arcs but the Dad losing to El Hermano was exponentially worse in terms of quality dip
>>287852772Knife count: 29Knife users winning count: 3It's dubious whether this should be considered a knife win, since the victim appears to be a non-combatant.But the knife was actually used rather than brandished threateningly, so I'm counting it.
>>287861798It's likely that he got his knife taken from him and used against himself as well, so call it a draw
>>287853457It's been pretty good so far, as a "green" reader.As good as Asura, maybe even with the potential to be better.I've been spoiled that it gets really bad, but not on how. I'm having trouble imagining how it can go from this, to the fucking necronomicon that makes everyone who reads it into a babbling lunatic.
>>287852908Thanks op
Goddamn does Koga get bullied a lot.
>>287861748It's the equivalent because you can see the writing on the wall, and it's pretty much an endless decline from there.
>>287852204>offscreenLAAAAAAME
>>287852347For the longest time I thought he's Wakatsuki without actually reading Omega
>>287861798We later see that the knife belonged to him and got used against him, so I don't think this counts.
>>287852464Pf-hahahahahalmao Koga, you can't be serious
>>287852772Is he referring to the murderer or victim here?
>>287852908Thanks OP
>>287852265If I recall they hosted the tournament in Fist of the Seeker that Kureishi participated in.
>>287852712punches to the face are banned but this isnt?
>>287852464Koga might have learned to fight but they haven't taught him to compliment hex yet.
>>287862658He should take lessons from Kokuro
>>287857176That didn't help that other old guy "master" who jobbed to one oh Hayami's goons.
>>287862732Wasn't it Nikaido who took him out? He's just an old school samurai and couldn't resist some boypussy
>>287862732He was too old and that's why he lost
>>287853457It feels like psychological torture. Like that meme chinese water dripping that eventually drives you insane.I spent the Ashura storytime counting down the chapters to EVIL IS ON THE MOVE. I’m now spending this storytiming counting down the chapters to two specific moments at the end of the Purgatory arc, and a certain flex much later on. If you know, you know. Don’t spoil those who are still “green”, it’s high time the rest of /a/ “scale” the “wall” to “our” level.
>>287863312No need to be so tense anon. Let's enjoy these moments.
>>287863331I see what you did there, oh goooOOOOOOOOOOD these poor green fools aren’t ready for what’s to come
>>287852311Tch, that's a shitty "barbeque".
>>287859730New reader here. I have no idea how bad it gets, but if I could brave the jump from Kinnikuman original to Mantaro taking a hyper realistic shit inside a mantoilet and getting grabbed by an old man's hemmerhoids in the Nisei storytime, I think I can take the jump from Asura to Omega.
>>287863452Imagine a manga which does that continuously after a certain point in the narrative is reached, and you may well be prepared for what's to come.
>>287863557It's funny seeing parallels, but the biggest difference between the tone of the two is that going into Nisei, we had the knowledge the author would do a second 180 and eventually go on to do great work in the Perfect Origins arc. It's like holding out knowing there's a light at the end of the tunnel. Here, it's like everyone's waiting to dive face first into Nutty Putty cave face first hoping to suffer the most agonizing death possible with no chance of recovery.
>>287855214>the average keng/a/n reader is a dopamine monkey-fiendThat's just the south-american among "us". Don't forget we have literal brazilians scouring these threads.
>>287858023The sheer level of reverence, bordering on worship that you exhibit for this shitty "sandro MCU" is so far beyond pathetic that I genuinely cannot fathom what kind of organism could stoop to these lows.
>>287863954Danberu has been in hiatus for several years, last I checked. Sandro himself doesn't seem to care much about it. Trying to connect Kengan Omega to that series is like trying to put an actual burning trash heap into a bland oatmeal to make it taste better. That said, I do feel bad for Danberu fans on that basis.The funny thing is, Isshou Senkin comparisons (the series that is the reason for Danberu being stuck in a hiatus) would have more thematic coherence, considering the latter is Kengan Omega might have looked like if it started as something just below middling, with less painful humiliation rituals because you don't care about the characters on that level as much, and with an actual artist drawing it. It's more boring because of that, ironically.
Janemba thread >>287864107
>>287863778We have yet to scale the wall of the average Saint Seiya reader...
>>287864199>We have yet to scale the wall of the average Saint Seiya reader...We are "greener" than them?
>>287864273They are far more accustomed to the "principles" of a battle manga that runs on contrivance and shifting alliances..
>>287864273"We" became "accustomed" to our "higher" "heights", and our "razor" grew "dull from disuse"
>>287863452In all honesty, having gone through that storytime myself, I really think Nisei is a better sequel than Omega even without UTag. I'm actually kind of curious of the opinion of someone reading them in reverse.
>>287863778south americans are the only "species" fully adapted to survive fight manga of this "quality" anon, it was only "natural"
Say his name
>>287864552Our "razors edge" grew too "thick"....
>>287863557Did you read Jojo?Yeah, it like WoU time 10 AND STILL KEEP ON
>>287864590Nisei has actual occasional decent writing, while the art stayed great even when it was (literal) shit. Hell Ult Tag has these flashes of genuine greatness that you'll see in full force once Revival starts. Another Anon said it better, Omega is the Titanic
>>287863312>It feels like psychological torture. Like that meme chinese water dripping that eventually drives you insane.I always wanted to try that. You know, just a bit.
>>287864983The Rack for me. Bet there's a moment where you're getting stretched out like that where it fucking feels amazing
>>287864983>>287865625I'm still wsiting for the anon whobsaid we were going to do a Gu ritual. I was looking foward to it.
>>287865659>I'm still wsiting for the anon whobsaid we were going to do a Gu ritual. I was looking foward to it.Does he know?
>>287865659"You" got the "timing" all wrong. "We" are already in the "gu ritual".
>>287864199>>287864273How would Saint Seiya go if Sandro was writing it?
>>287864139>Danberu has been in hiatus for several years, last I checked. Sandro himself doesn't seem to care much about it.I can't believe how easily he gets bored with his little toys. He has a worse attention span than a gold fish.The man tuned out of Kengan Omega years ago. And he's also tuned out of Danberu. So far, he's still (seemingly) amused by Strike it Rich and Blue Ursus, but who knows how long that focus will last before he gets bored again? The current SiR chapters are already phoned in in terms of storytelling (haven't paid any attention to Blue Ursus at all). Imagine being so insanely privileged that you have FOUR works being published. In an unbelievably tight and competitive industry like the manga industry, it's not difficult to see how there are probably tens of thousands of aspiring artists who dream of even having just one manga being published. And yet, here he is with 4 manga and he's treating this privileged artistic profession the way a minimum wage fast food worker working 2 separate wageslave jobs to pay rent treats his work. Combine this with the way he constantly loves to damage control and smugly talk to readers via his characters, I imagine that he's an absolutely insufferable piece of shit in real life.
>>287865625>there's a moment where you're getting stretched out like that where it fucking feels amazingAdam...
>>287866943I think with Danberu it might actually be MAAM that's the issue. Not that he doesn't want to do Danberu, just that doing two manga as an artist is terrible.
>>287867395Isn't MAAM also working on Strike it Rich? Whatever problems that SiR has, it's definitely not the art quality.
