Strange Fake has ended last season, lets keep the typemoon energy until the final volume this summer>A new Holy Grail War is emerging in Snowfield, Nevada, where mages from around the world summon Servants, heroic spirits drawn from myth and history, to fight on their behalf. However, this war seems to differ from previous ones. The organization behind it appears to have used data from the Fuyuki Grail War for their ritual, resulting in strange happenings.Unbeknownst to most participants, this budding conflict is actually a fake Grail War. There exists another set of seven true Servants who are summoned to fight in the genuine Holy Grail War. One of these Servants is a powerful Saber-class who saves the life of Ayaka Sajou, his apparent master, after being summoned.With hidden agendas and unpredictable forces at play, the line between the fake and true Grail War becomes unclear, turning Snowfield into a dangerous battlefield.Feel free to discusss all Nasuverse if you want>The Fgo event was FAKE and the real event beganSASUGAhttps://litter.catbox.moe/0hfiswerrw7y3xtl.mp4
>>287663717 (Dead)Prologue - Berserker - Assasin>>287724837 (Cross-thread)Chap4-8>>2878118619-12.1
Meanwhile in the event
>>287897961
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>>287899055Cute.
WHERE IS AYAKA NARITA
>>287899055zealot is so cute
>>287902293Her hoodie should say something like "100% Allah"
>>287902293Haram drip
>>287902293So cute
>>287897961I found another reason why SF is inferior to Stay Night and Zero. It's because there are no interesting conflicts. All those characters and not one gives you a good reason to sympathize with them.>Trancesca, Flat, Richard, Ishtar: just want to have fun>Ayaka: doesn't want to be there>Jester: horny>Haruri, Zealot: mages bad>Faldeus, Bazdilot: just want power>Alcides: ow the edge>Hippo: seething at ow the edge>Sigma: literally got nothing to him>the rest: are just kinda there
>>287902329يا حمار
>>287903193Idk, half those reasons sound far more than what the characters in Zero got to them
>>287903193You perfect capsuled why FsF its subversive in the whole scheme of the holy grails but you didnt noticed it
>>287903227>Kiritsugu: a broken man who can't even be happy when his daughter is born, the exact reason is unknown at first but you get hints from his clashes with the chivalrous Seiba>Tokiomi: we know from F/SN he'll die so the mystery is how exactly>Kirei: lost in life but Gil is there to give him a push>Waver and Kayneth: young vs. old, progress vs. tradition>Kariya: wants to save Sakura but we know he'll fail, the mystery is how and whyOnly Ryuunesok is there to just have fun dismembering kids, but he gets put down quickly enough
>>287903473Zzzz
>>287903524Not enough flashy lights and sakooga for you, JJK baby?
>>287903533>not enough flashy lights and sakooga>its fucking fate by ufotable
>>287903473>Kiritsugu: ow the edge, also cheats on his life for no reason>Tokiomi: no character to speak of, as you pointed out>Kirei: boring, nothing to him, got retconned to not have figured his life out so Gilgamesh could have something to do>Kariya: got fucked>Kayneth: mug mage honor>Uryu: muh coolGenerally zero interesting characters
Like Kayneth and Waver had one interaction in Zero during the actual war, that’s how poorly written Zero was
>>287903645Butcher found something better for both of them to do. And if Narita wrote Zero, then they'd just without ever killing each other.
>>287903718No he didn’t, Kayneth was entirely wasted and Waver’s appreciation for him comes from entirely different works
>>287899055my landmine girl...
Its been a decade can you guys cut out fucking zero for once
>>287903776>Kayneth was entirely wastedNigga you didn't watch the show
Little brother strong...
>>287903790No. Zero is a classic and the standard by which all other Fate shows are judged. With the exception of Prillya because it's a masterpiece ahead of its time.
>>287903193I'll give you another: SF has no memorable lines. I dare you to quote something from this series without looking up. Go.
>>287904190Indeed, I read the LNs
>>287904601How weak
>>287905094That was the only one I could think of too lol
>>287905142No, I was talking about the baitEither way, every time Alkeides or Richard speaks, particularly during the former’s run gut with JackMost memorable quote from Zero in comparison is what…Asaaa?
>>287899055I will accept nothing but the Niqab and the Wednesday outfit
>>287901947Sorry, we can't remind FGO players that Ayaka exists beyond a token mention of her in her Bond Lines
>>287905157>Forgetting about COORU
>>287905198I indeed forgot that
Amazing how Narita fumbled the collab
>>287905267What happened
>>287905393Ayaka doesn't existSigma died before it even startedOnly added Servants are Hippo, Prelatis and John LacklandStory is mostly focused on being a sequel to Camelot
>>287905468That sounds more like an FGO is lazy about implementing characters problem than a Narita problem
>Ptolemy: ...Hmm. Your sight is indeed quite detailed. You peek at each and every fine strand of flowing energy.>Flat: Oh, you can tell? Yeah, of course the librarian of Alexandria would!>Ptolemy: I surmise you can identify the owner of a magical energy pattern, the type of spell utilized, and the trigger time by simply examining the flow... With this information enabling you to find the means to unravel and reassemble them. Quite impressive, but not exactly malleable, is it? Say, lad... Are you perhaps unable to properly see the faces of magi?>Flat: Wow, you found that out too? Awesome! I thought my professor was going to stay the only one who'd ever notice! I can tell who's who by their magical energy, but I need to see them in photos or videos to know what their faces look like!>Ptolemy; ...Like seeing color in every draft of the wind and living without letting anyone notice you're different...>Flat: You get used to it! I mean, I was born like this, so that's that! I'm a huge fan of comics and movies and whatnot, and what got me into them was the fact I could watch it all without the flow of mana blocking anything from sight.
>>287905664Most of the characters died offscreen before the story. It's an alternate version of FSF war where things went off the rails a little bit. Ishtar, enkidu, and Gilgamesh took each other out. Basically everyone ganged up on jester to get rid of him. Most of the cops died except the police chief before the story started. I can't remember who killed who. Sigma made a contract with Hassan but then they both died, these are all things that happened before the story. I think a lot of it had to do with the Black Lion taking part in the war. Richard was summoned and he was instantly ganked by black lion and had his power taken, pale Rider is ruler rather than rider because Richard was rider in this version of the war, and some other Greek guy was summoned rather than Alcidies. Basically ended with Flat, Prelati, Dumas, and Tsubaki as the last ones left who all decided to team up to un-fuck the world
>>287905664>>287906695The story IS good. Hypo and John have the central roles, but Dumas, Flat, Richard, Zealot (She had a mini arc) are fine.John's part of the Rounds Richard has, a failsafe that has to kill him when he 'becomes' a monster. This is what happened in Camelot. He was summoned as Berserker, John manifested and killed him but somehow his brother's saint graph stuck around on his armor and John who was having a breakdown over killing his brother took it to take revenge on what forces his brother to be a hero/monster. So he started to destroy the crusades and then the Round Table as the False Richard. A Rider Richard was summoned to a Snowfield without Ayaka, and Richard did the same, but somehow manifested with that Armor so started to get things downhill on his revenge. It's actually exposing Richard's darker side and exploring his relationship with John that was teased in the LN. And revealing he's one of his Rounds of Lionheart.
>>287907439John usually manifests as a 15 years old because he gave his word to his big bro when he was that age and that was his 'peak'. So he's forced to kill his beloved big brother all the time. He uses all those buffs to transforms into an adult "god king" to try to absorb the 'bad sides of richard' to erase them from history when he gets killed, so he wouldn't become a monster again with this appearance as an adult. Richard adores John, of course, he welcomes him every time he has to kill him, and says is his right which fucks up John even more.
>>287906695So basically if SF was a proper grail war without Trancesca artificially dragging things out?
>>287908344>proper grail warNo such thing exists
>>287907439That does sound good, though I was left with the impression that John disliked RichardRetarded manchildren are probably blaming Narita for not implementing their waifus in FGO, as if he has anything to do with that, if I had to guess
>>287909236John loves his brother, and the feeling is mutual in Fate. The theme of the collab is stuff twisted by history, so the amazons being reduced to "herk" defeated them with Hypo and her sister as foils to John's quest on Richard's behalf. About how to cope with that I guess. John having an Avenger Saint Graph is because he hates the world for what it does to his Brother, not even himself.It's pretty nice to see a mutually loving sibling bond in Fate even if fucked up. John's still petty and a bad king but that's not the focus of this story.
>>287909236The way I see this story might be important to explain Richard's conclusion in Strange Fake and how John isn't summoned to kill him (hopefully), so it's a complementary story to Strange Fake AND a conclusion to a loose end in Camelot (Who was the Fake Richard Monster?). Other Servants can be added later in events. Noah and Jacques Molay weren't added in Arcade collab but newcomer Locusta was because she was important to Draco's story in the collab. Same here, the story is mostly about John and Hypo so would be weird to skip a main character.
>>287909703Okay, but consider thisIt shouldn't be about John in the first place
>>287909236He just hates richard in a sibling affectionate way, he gets mad if anyone insults him. He is devoted to Richard.
>>287909736It's about the downsides of Richard's legend and Herk's legend, with John and Hypo. John appears in the LN and has a line, and will be probably important to last volume. Narita wanted everything released simultanously but things got delayed. He IS one of Richard's Round of Lionheart.
>>287909703Avengers have a skill called Oblivion correction, they remember their various summonings. He's summoned in Camelot zero first, then FSF event, and maybe we can assume FSF actual story last
>>287909827Yes. I think Ayaka might give Richard what he wants (Caliburn). That shit seems very spoilerific same with Flat not being able to recognize faces.
>>287909864Some guy kept claiming John didn't kill Richard in FSF because Ayaka saved him by having Richard act more heroicBut that's a mistake, because John resents Richard being seen as a hero just as much as he resents him being seen as a monster, in his eyes both are wrong, because both of them warped him into something inhuman
>>287909813>He IS one of Richard's Round of Lionheart.Yeah, I preferred when I thought the mystery Shadow was Ayaka
>>287909988So, basically, Ayaka and Richard's relationship is just fucking worthless and meaningless to how he's saved
>>287909988>>287910079Ayaka makes him behave like a person.
>>287910079If that was the case, Richard would be dead by now. He acts less psychotic near Ayaka. The way he behaves without her is VERY different.
He went on to become the most hated king of england
This pisses me off so muchImagine if they had Saber telling Guda "You are my sheath" in her Bond 5
>>287910565making a mountain out of a mole hill, especially considering Richard calls Ayaka his best master
>>287910667No, he says Guda is his best Master
>>287910565>Crying and seething "why isn't he in love with Ayaka and talking about Ayaka in this world where he never met Ayaka, he should have a hole in his heart"Because that's stupid
>>287910761No he says the opposite
>>287911065Gee, anon, I'm sorry for wanting one of my favorite TM relationships to be properly represented
>>287911067>I feel that, inside me, there's the finest Master. It's not a memory, there's a fragment carved into the Throne that I can't possibly ignore. But, that's another story. If that Master's the "finest", Chaldea's Master is the "best"! None of them is superior or inferior, that's how I feel
>>287902293are haram girls this cute
>>287911191Again a Richard that never met her, it's better for them to not touch upon it. It's the same shit with Proto Arthur, he also never mentions Ayaka. No one cares, FSN saber also never mentions Shirou, she's from a world line where she never met him. Does that mean she's paired with Guda, no.It's not like "Gudafags are stealing our girls" either, the relationship with Richard is treated as just younger brother or younger sister mostly, even in this event he says it's easier to treat them like family because he has a rule to not kill family Castoria got an entire VN length romance story with Guda where she became his sword throughout time(she's literally not the same person as FSN Arthuria at all, she's not even Arthuria, she's a nameless fairy created by the world), and even then Shiroufags claim her as their own almost daily and most of her art is Shiroufags claiming they own her and really she belongs with ShirouEven after an entire movie plot with Guda, and even despite the fact she isn't actually arthuria at all, they claim the fact she looks similar is enough. Pretty much every new girl that goes into FGO gets massive amounts of cuckposting by schizos who claim that she isn't for you and they cry daily about how they hate Guda and self insertfags entirely and want them all to die. You can guarantee any new girl that comes out in FGO the first thing people do is cuckpost as much as possible claiming she isn't for Guda and she's clearly fucking any other guy except guda that she interacted with even slightly. You think Gudafags are stealing your girls, while other protaganist fags spend all day shitposting in FGO threads trying hard to cuckpost any new girl that comes out
>>287912544>Proto Arthur, he also never mentions Ayaka>He lacks the knowledge
>>287912571It's for the best, Prototype Ayaka a shit
>>287912544>>>/vg/fgog
>After this event most of Richard's art is going to be entirely gayAyakafags aren't going to like this
>>287913266Nah, RichAya is strong
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>>287906695>Most of the cops died except the police chiefMy wife Vera and my daughter Annie Cuarón. Adopted daughter of the famous painter Andrés Cuarón...
>>287899740Thank you for posting.
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>>287910565That just confirms he'll always remember Ayaka while Guda WILL be forgotten.Guda IS the Best Master but not HIS Master.
>>287912544>>287912571>>287912670Ayaka is the REASON why Arthur is on the quest, are you even reading his intro quest? Even Ozzy teases him with her in an interlude. And his literal BOND CE is about her.
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>>287910565There's literally ZERO shipping of RichardxGuda. Guda is declared family, what is JohnxGuda shipping, John and Guda even meet like Ayaka and Richard, and this event is obviously to save John.
>>287918968Okay, it still cheapens the moment with El-Melloi ClassAlso, making the whole collab about a character who isn't even in FSF pisses me off
>>287918814I think you headcanoned Ayaka asked him to do it, when it was Merlin Female that asked him to do it, not Ayaka. When Arthur first came out he referenced Ayaka in one line, which got quickly removed, because Fujos that like Arthur didn't want to be cucked, especially by an entirely different summoning instance than the prototype one. Nasu has prioritized otomes for awhile now.
>>287919707>FujosYUMESWORDS MEAN THINGS
>Sakurai, Higashide and Narita have all written villains whose entire motivation was that their Servant didn't fall in love with themWhat did they mean by this?
>>287919754i would be insane if i cant fuck shuten
>>287919535>Okay, it still cheapens the moment with El-Melloi ClassIt doesn't, Ayaka ironically never had anything to do with El Melon class from the start, Ayaka isn't really Ayaka. If you're talking about Flat he gets plenty of scenes in the collab.>He didn't appear in FSFNarita said he did
>>287920632I meant Richard claiming that he would side with Ayaka over humanityAh yes, the super secret shadow in Rounds of Lionheart that hadn't even been hinted at existing before Richard got in FGO
>>287919707Proto Merlin asked him to do it to PROTECT Ayaka. Read their exchange. Arthur set on that quest because "that girl he loves would die" otherwise. Proto Merlin was teasing him with Ayaka.Nobody erased Ayaka from Proto Arthur bro. He just references to her as the sunlight (which is how he thinks of her when they met).
>>287920951He's not siding with Ayaka because he's a hero, he's not against humanity because he's a monster, if anything John didn't appearing to murk Richard shows Ayaka's bringing up the side of Richard who is a person so would be outoto-approved.
>>287920951there's shadow whose identity we don't know yet. That was confirmed to be John.Also John outline appearing to Richard when he has a moment of humanization with Ayaka means a lot because he could only be himself with his brother before, he can be like this with her.The story is about the downsides of history with focus on negative sides of Richad and Heracles legends, so we have focus on characters affected by that. Both figures are important in Strange Fake and will be explore there, so this side is good.
>>287920951I think you don't get, Ayaka is his Sakura moment in HF. Shirou didn't side with Sakura because he's a hero, he wanted to be Sakura's ally, this made him human. That's why Richard choosing someone he loves over acting like a hero is important.Dumas telling Eurystheus to STFU was legendary too.
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>>287911227Favourite is what i should have said, he clearly values Ayaka even if he doesn't remember her is my point
>>287921466Out of all relationships in TMPretending Richard and Ayaka is the super special relationship that breaks time and space that they long for each other even in worlds they never met, is retarded. Trying to pretend it's the most special of special relationships throughout all of TM is retarded. Even saber in FSN didn't long for Shirou in routes other than Fate route. Ayaka has some of the oddly most schizo fans I've seen in awhile from TM shippers at least.Even trying to ship an eight year old fairy with a lion in the first place is stupid, she's a child.
>>287923575Fairies are adults when they manifest, exceptions are starseeds. She changing manifestion doesn't matter. Remember fairies are truly soul of earth splittered, so she's older than Richard.
>>287923575It is super special because Richard is alive. John automatically kills him all the time. So yeah, it's special. If you read him in Strange Fake and the Collab, you can tell he acts absolutely DIFFERENT because of Ayaka.>8 years old fairyDo you even fae lore? They are never children unless there's an exception and she's not one because she could just chose another form.
>>287923575irisviel was one year old when kiritsugu groomed and impregnated her.
>>287923575We already have fairy lore. Assuming Ayaka is a true fairy, she is an ageless being larping with a different role/body. They are a fragmented planet's soul, or splits on that. So it's pointless to pretend shipping a teenager looking fairy with a teenager looking record of history is weird.
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>>287925023>Mfw the collab event has more writing than the anime itselfLOL
I really REALLY hope John isn't Richard and Ayaka's final boss in FSF
>>287925198The event has literally nothing but writing, no money for actual dialogue and animationBillion dollar gacha game btw
John = RichardGareth = King ArthurGuda = AyakaThe story was kino. And Richaya fans shouldn't worry about Guda, Richard pushes them HARD toward John, with his blessing.
>>287925632The story focusing on discount Richard x Ayaka just pisses me off moreAh, whatever, Vol 10 is in three months at most and that'll cheer me up
>>287925820They have different personalities and dynamics, but I mean Master who saw their true self and defeated but also supported him in Guda, and person they admire (begrudgingly) in Gareth.
>>287926259Still, I would've rather gotten a Collab centered on the characters and relationships I liked from FSFBut like I said, Vol 10 will probably cheer me upHonestly, don't need much, just Ayaka and Richard fading away together, Sigma leaving Snowfield with Tsubaki and Orlando publishing that book Dumas told him to write
>>287925820>>287926259John is a different person and is moved by hatred toward history and complex feelings for his brother. He hates stories, he hates kings, he hates all that brought down Richard and ate his humanity, and blames himself for not being strong enough to become a good ruler. He just lost his heart aftere everyone praised his brother for that masacre and then he isn't sure if he became a tyrant over those feelings or because he wanted to cover his brother's crimes with worse ones. He wanted Richard away from the curse of kingship.While Richard is very forward and reckless, John's broody, even if he's emotional and spirals away.
Narita's favorite children are definitely Richard and John. I wonder if he's ever going to do Saladin.
Honestly, I think the thing that truly annoys me is seeing all FSF discussion be swallowed up by the Collab, but I suppose that was inevitable
>>287926376Collab was good and showed a different timeline, which creates good conversation of potential "what if" in setting (like FSN has routes).Zealot gained her Hassan name, and Flat stayed alive, and we found out he can't see mage faces due to the mana (that's why he likes media like cameras and pictures because he can see how people look like).Also interesting Francois as Master IMMEDIATELY shuts down Jester bullshit.
>>287926447>Zealot gained her Hassan nameShe didn't need toAnd the characters and relationships that I like the most in FSF weren't in it and since Sigma and Ayaka are Masters they have no chance to be added now
>>287926484Neither could be added UNTIL the last volume anyway, since Ayaka's name/identity/finale would be a spoiler as would be Sigma's.
>>287926728And now they never will beStill, doesn't piss me off as much as what happened to Hoover and Melies
>>287926888Don't be stupid. If there's any request, they'll be added whenever. I can certainly see Flat added.
>>287927392Yeah, man, Touko is so cool in FGO
Narita wrote a long afterword script for the collab talking about some behind the scenes things The collab was obviously meant to happen last year, everyone knows that, probably most people can figure out exactly when it was supposed to happen last year as well, but due to him coming down with an incurable disease he had to keep pushing things back. Apparently King Hassan's extra battle line was recorded nine years ago.
Now that the events over everyone had their profiles fully unlocked >She was more of a warrior with the temperament of a priestess and a warrior chief than a queen.>Hercules was a symbol of power, a pure hero, and someone she admired, not someone she loved romantically. It was closer to the feelings a shonen manga protagonist has for their rival.>That's why, until her dying moment, she regretted being misunderstood and the disrespect she committed against the hero Hercules by dying without giving it her all due to a moment of hesitation.
>>287927689>not someone she loved romantically. It was closer to the feelings a shonen manga protagonist has for their rival.There's a joke to be made here
Things Narita said:>Yes, was supposed to be released last year>there were a bunch of things added (namely all the Assassin stuff with Zealot and Hassans, it wasn't supposed to be there, but he added it because of an old King Hassan line). So Zealot hopers, that's unlikely for a while, she was never even supposed to appear (probably only mentioned she died with Sigma).>He got sick and couldn't release it in time>The basis of the story was born a long time ago when he was told that the false Richard in Camelot was John, so they (Nasu and him) worked together to create the scenario and lore of Richard and John
○Regarding the Snowfield Holy Grail War>In the timeline where the Snowfield Holy Grail War took place, he encountered the mysterious remnants that remained in England during his lifetime—the Lady of the Lake and a knight she favored (a vessel for the collective regrets of those who could not sacrifice themselves for King Arthur at Camlann).>He eventually obtained the scabbard of Excalibur, used all his power to create a preservation container, and buried it in a place later excavated by the Einzbern family. Therefore, there is a rumor that Excalibur can be summoned with a low probability if the preservation container containing the remnants of the Lady of the Lake's magic is used as a catalyst, rather than the scabbard itself.>However, this cannot be guaranteed in timelines where the Snowfield Holy Grail War did not occur.>In Snowfield, he met a different Master than the one at Chaldea and continued to fight freely and unrestrainedly in a different form than this time.>While their paths differ from Chaldea's, Richard forged a very strong bond with his Master in a short time, engaging in spectacular battles against King Gilgamesh and others—but that's another story.>Apparently, during that Holy Grail War, he encountered secular concepts like "rock and roll" and "movies," and although he doesn't remember them, they seem to have been recorded. Even at Chaldea, he's very interested in movies and rock music.
>>287927689>not someone she loved romantically>Novel has heavy romantic undertones in most of her memories, her wish for the grail being to meet him againIs this the destiny of any character that is put into gacha? Mandatory for (you) garbage at the expense of story?
