Why does every Shonen MC have to be the MYTHICAL CHOSEN ONE REINCARNATION OF A LEGENDARY GOD? Can't we just have a normal kid who works hard?
>>287903153Because that's how it works in real life. Look at who are the most influential people and families in the world and you'll find bloodlines that have been at the epicenter of history's greatest events for centuries.
>>287903153>Can't we just have a normal kid who works hard?Tanjiro
>>287903153Ichigo is not chosen or a reincarnation. He is Aizen's experiment.
Why do you keep watching things you know you fundamentally don't like?
>>287903198I mean technically he was "chosen" by Aizen
>>287903153GonHe's special (MCs need to be) but not too special
>why isn't the protagonist of my magic battle kids show who shoots fireballs and defeats demons a normal kid
>>287903175Oh yeah, huh. Closest thing he's got to being a chosen one is he inherited the tradition of sun breathing, and his body literally can't handle it until he trains even more because the technique wasn't made for him
>>287903153Maybe you should stop consuming atuff meant for 13 year olds.
>>287903198Yoruichi owes me sex!
>>287903208He wasn't though. He just got born to such parents.
>>287903153We just had Asta>B-b-but anti magicIs not his and needed both his dexterity and stamina to fully utilize.
>>287903198This, he's a eugenics experiment that happened by sheer coincidence.>>287903208Except he wasn't, Isshin went to the human world without authorization and almost fucked everything up everything Aizen was working on, the latter had no idea Masaki even existed until she intervened, he was surprised when White "chose" her and assumed she'd die due to her quincy heritage, and she would have if Uruhara hadn't involved himself, and he had no way of knowing that Isshin and her would fall in love, or be "soul bonded" by Urahara to save Masaki's life.
OP is mad he is still reincarnating as a peasantjust remember an earlier cycle bro cheer up
>>287903172fpbp
>>287903153Ichigo is a super mutt and unique in the setting, he wasn't chosen neither there's a PROPHECY about his return faggot OP.>>287903208He literally wasn't retard, no one even knew there were quincy alive.
>>287903153because its easier to write
>>287903153because shounen has to appeal to kids and the lowest common denominator in society.
>>287903153Why are you spamming garbage bait threads in the catalog? Cant you just be a normal person who takes his meds?
>>287903153Cuz it's for kids retard, also Naruto doesn't exist.
>>287903153>the chosen one is a cute cat girl surrounded by manly bodymuscle builders "men" with bad mannersNyahahaohohoho! Where do I buy the merchandise?
>>287903153Stop comparing OP to that slop bleach and Naruto. It's too good to be compared with that low tier writing slop.
>>287905342No.
>>287903153Best I can do is a below average kid who works smart.
>>287903153>Can't we just have a normal kid who works hard.You've already had him retard, everybody else just tried to emulate the OG and failed completely at understanding why he became special choosing to look at the yellow colored hair and the species it's tied to instead of the work that was put behind it.
>>287906796One Piece has long since surpassed DB in every regard. Besides making Gacha slop to fake inflate the IP's revenue.
>>287906817No one's talking about sales retard, go back to your One Slop containment thread.
>>287903153Because japanese are obsessed with bloodlines. The same thing happens in Isekai with every character being born into a noble family or getting themselves into the nobility. Nobody wants to be a filthy pleb.
>>287903153Stop comparing Naruto and Bleach to slop like One Piece.
>>287907470Sales, appreciation, praise and success. All do better than Dragon Ball. Hell, Toei puts it's top talent on OP and gives DB the amateur animated talent. You fags have lost.
>>287907567>The same thing happens in Isekai with every character being born into a noble family or getting themselves into the nobility.That's reincarnation.Isekai mc would just get some big cheat so they would still have a normal bloodline.Pic is the closest to 'relatively normal mc who just gets some physical strength headstart but still needs to train afterward'.
>>287903172TOO BAD THIS ISN'T REAL LIFEfpwp
>>287903153It's actually very easy to understand. The first adventures involve saving individuals or small communities like a village, you don't need a prophecy or inner talents for this. Then the heroes will save a whole country, again at this point the hero is very strong but still don't need inner talents or powerful parents.But then the hero will save THE WHOLE WORLD from a powerful menace, often connected to an ancient past and closer to godhood, which make your story mythological. And when your story became mythological it involves gods, inner potential, prophecies and powerful ancestors, and also your heroes will change the whole world who will be like never before.If it bother you that much then tell to the creators to stop making stories about saving the whole world, because it will necessary include elements who are against the self-made man thing and you will doom on your non-sensical loser projection and comparison.The answer is simple: at some point it become mythology, in mythology there is no efforts, it's all gods doing stuff because they can and what they do influence their whole universe.
>>287905342Soifon...
>>287903153Right? Goku didn't need to be chosen one, to be greatest warrior in DB.
>>287903153It's not that the main character happens to always be the chosen one. They are the main character because they are the chosen one
>>287906817one shit will leave no legacy like a barren womb and only his cultist fans will care after it's over
>>287903153Is Ichigo a chosen one? I didn't finish bleachHe had powerups while N*rut# and Goofy are reincarnations of gods or something
>>287903153Because working hard is fucking stupid
>>287907619Nobody cares about one piece outside of JapanEveryone knows who Goku is. Only weebs know who Luffy is.
>>287903153Ichigo was treated as a freak of nature since day 1, he’s no Chisen one
>>287909781He's the son of a shinigami and the son of a quincy. He also had some super special hollow that entered him when he was in the uterus or something iirc. He's pretty much everything in one. I don't read the manga, so Idk much more than that.
>>287903153to reach the top of anything you need both hard work and innate ability. A lot of people work hard but that is not enough if you're aiming for the top. Now when you start competing at the top the distinct extra stuff and method of approach is often what makes the difference, but sometimes it's just plain ol luck
>>287903153>Can't we just have a normal kid who works hard?Just hard work? Is that enough to reach the top? What if two people work hard. Who wins then? In we have a room with 20 hard workers, and some of them have a special talent or background, why would the one that just works hard come out on top?>"The one that just works hard will work even super harder and beat the rest!"If he can do that, he's no longer just someone working hard. At this point he has some distinguishing factor that allows him to put in more work than others. Otherwise, those others could simply just work harder too.
>>287910762>Nobody cares about one piece outside of JapanOne Piece is the most watched anime every year now in the west. It gets collaborations, live action adaptions, a more popular card game and restaurants in America. Naruto and DB aren't relevant enough to get those things.
>>287903172You idiot. That's not all how real life works. If that was how real life worked, we'd be seeing entire dynasties of sports athletes dominating the scene, meanwhile in actuality, it's seen as nothing more than a neat coincidence when a son manages to reach the pro level like his dad did. It's honestly sad you believe in bloodlines as a fully grown adult.
>>287912074Sports isn't everything anon. Most of the world leaders that make decisions for their country are born into a role that usually helps them get to their position. Also, I think special characters for the most part give more story elements, backstory and potential lore dumps. You don't get that with an MC who's a nobody with no intangibles to the world at large. A characters being special isn't an indication of bad writing. It's how you fit them into the story. Which Naruto and Bleach mostly fail at. Dragon Ball and Goku became slop after the Cell Saga. Somehow One Piece has pulled it off thus this far.
>>287903153The thing is about honesty.Ichigo is the more honest one since he was a weird singularity freak since chapter 1, when rukia herself was surprised a human could see and interact with her and then steal her powers so easily. So at least Kubo hinted for ichigo to not be an ordinary guy, revealing he was a spirit-hollow-quincy UberMutt.The other are worse for how dishonest the mangaka ended up being. Naruto used to be a random kid trapped with an atomic bomb in animal form inside his body. Secretly revealing he was the son of an hokage? Okay, they kinda look alike so its not so bad…but than the whole indra stuff with the gods and Kaguya was trash and he become a divine reincarnation.Luffy is the worst offender for how unecessary it was. He could’ve just unlocked his awakening…at worst oda could reveal that his imagination is so strong he archived an unlimited tier that only creative people like OG joy boy reached and that Imu just culled any potential jot hot in these 800 years.Instead we got the god god fruit and now everything in the setting revolves around MHU NIKKA and MHU IMU
>>287912074you picked a bad example because sports as a whole are increasingly leaning more into 2nd, 3rd generation prospects. There are more sons, nephews, cousins etc. than ever and it's filtering down to all levels of development. This was just a weird blind spot that's being corrected. Now of course there's such a large pool of talent and genetic variation among other things so you can still pull from all over. One thing that can't be overlooked is that people don't necessarily go to where their talent lies nor do they always have the hunger to succeed at a high level
>>287912518>Luffy is the worst offender for how unecessaryI love how you delusional fucks try to force the exact opposite narrative that no one with an IQ above room temp believes. No one can even name Ichigo/Naruto's special lineage or final power ups. Because they're trash, ass pulls and troped as fuck. Luffy/Joyboy is built into the very DNA of One Piece. His relation to "Joy" and the Sun have been on display since the start of the story and throughout the narrative. He had the perfect devil fruit to defeat "God" in Skypiea and he startled using his Gears in a location that's always sunny.
>where's the forklift certified mc??
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>>287903153You must be dumb as fuck if you think bloodlines aren't a real thing
>>287912798total horse shiteven oda admitted he just had no way for luffy to defeat kaido so bullshitted Gear 5. That is the truth. You are talking out your ass.
Kings are Kings. Man is Man.
>>287914635>even oda admittedPost source faggot. He's made Luffy special since the first few sagas. Which is obvious with retrospect and comprehension.
>>287903153Ichigo is a total accidentLuffy is some fated BSNaruto is total garbage
>>287903153fuck off protestant
>>287903153>to be the MYTHICAL CHOSEN ONE REINCARNATION OF A LEGENDARY GODbleach doesn't do that. the final villain yhwach is basically what you just described
>>287912074>dynasties of sports athletes dominating the scene>>287912074>a son manages to reach the pro level like his dad didFOOLYOU ARE A UTTER RETARD :(athletism/being athletic is not dominated by the common genes per se, it's dominated by the mitochondria; the one thing that empowers you, the one thing that through training becomes stronger, the one thing whose strength is passed down... HOWEVER the mitochondrion's genes are passed down by the mother and by the mother only. if you are a guy, you're losing all the progress. your mitochondrion genes are destroyed the moment of fertilizationyou don't know jackshit
>>287903153technically Ichigo is not a reincarnation of anyone
>>287903559isn't that super mario but as a kid?
>>287906540Alright, that's a good pitchI will now try this show
>>287903208sure technically but Ichigo isnt a lame child of destiny, Aizen chose to keep an eye on Ichigo by coincidence as others mentioned, Ichigo wasn't his plan until he noticed him and he became his plan
>>287914635He was special because he spent years training with a shitty gum fruit and getting more creative and inspired to follow his dream.Not because the fruit was the GOD GOD FRUIT all along.The whole nika fiasco is a retconNika ans imu sucks and ruined one pieceYou are a retard if you continue defending oda’s shitty writing
>>287916465You have zero reading comprehension. You agree with me and I'm calling Gear 5 Nika and all that Oda asspull which Oda admitted when he said he has no way of Luffy defeating Kaido. And now Luffy is a literal toon god
>>287903153Its genuinely funny how people criticize shounen for being unrealistic, then go on about delusions of how "just working hard" is supposed to make you relevant.>>287903172Jesus pretty much.>>287912074So you chose goy entertainment sportsball as the equivalent of stories where people get to the level where they shake foundations of their world to the core? >>287912488I never got into bleach so I don't really know, Naruto failed because it set up 2 premises that it back tracked on, one of them being hard work vs talent (which has mindbroken people ever since is why there's constantly these sorts of threads) and not being beholden to destiny (funny how both of these revolve around Neji essentially). Dragonball Z is largely fluff its just a nice strong guy doing things he likes and fighting people, with the only time it even remotely brings up hard work vs talent is with Vegeta vs Goku and after that it didn't really matter much (bear in mind Goku never even beat Vegeta one on one, it was a team effort). As for One Piece from the literal beginning Luffy was set up to be a relatively special child of destiny, its just that its so long, that most people either forgot or its people who never read the story just latching on because of G5. More on One Piece there IS a character that literally embodies the potential of hardwork over destiny and thats Koby (so far at least Oda could just change that down the line) but they don't care or like him because he has main character growth rate despite not being the main character (and also the aformentioned they probably never even read the series)
>>287912488>Sports isn't everything anon. Most of the world leaders that make decisions for their country are born into a role that usually helps them get to their position.Sports isn't everything, but it's a better example than politics because it's driven by individual capability.In the real world, the guy who punches the hardest doesn't become a world leader, but in Shonen he does.And the world leaders who were born into their role weren't born superior. They were born in advantageous positions where they could inherit more power. But Shonen MC's revealed to be from a special bloodline tend to not know it at first. They tend to think they're normal before the bloodline kicks in and they get a powerup to be better than everyone else.That doesn't really apply to politics, because the president's long-lost child who was raised by a normal family isn't going to have any real advantages over the other normal kids raised by a normal family. And conversely, a child adopted by the president would have advantages despite not having any special blood.
>>287903153>Can't we just have a normal kid who works hard?To do what exactly, go to school and do nothing special? Are you a fucking loser?
>>287906796he was a chosen one who became a legend and a god though
>>287903153There are plenty who aren't, read more outside of Wan Piss.
>>287903172But those are the bad guys in those series.
>>287903198>>287905771Yes and he was fit to be the next god until Kubo chickened out.
>>287922662So basically godshit is just a way to disguise the qui in your story.
>>287903153Old japanese concept where your heroes has to be of noble blood + a good guy + skilled.Just read any other non-shonen if you don't want this.
>>287903153Not like I care, because execution is all that matters, but there are tons of good MC in other shounen.But then it looks like you only read WSJ garbage.
>>287906817One Piece has been trash since the timeskip.
>>287905342>Soifonposting
>>287906664>Saucenao image searchzero results>Yandex searchzero results>google lens image searchzero resultsAnon, I did my part. Sauce please.
>>287922712Being noble is a big deal out of Japan too...King Arthur and Game of Thrones for example..
>>287916633The funny thing is, toonforce was an expected powerset of his awakening, classing it as a hito (deity model) doesn't really add or retract from what we already knew; Luffy was going to do the thing Roger failed at and as of FI we learn Roger failed at what ever Joyboy did. So we're likely to find out that Joyboy failed at what ever OG Nika was aiming to do.Fate bullshit is certainly a thing in OP, but 'god scale' so far probably not. Kizaru was bodying Luffy, Luffy couldn't really do shit to Topman. Plot dictates when character has to loose, not fightfag logic.
>>287903153Two of those aren't that though.
>>287923808https://exhentai.org/g/2242250/0144422cfe/It's Orihime NTR with a few panels with Youichi and Rangiku.
>>287903153Someone didn't read along with the Kenichi storytime
>>287912074That’s happening in the NBA/NFL more and more commonly.
>>287906817all wan piss characters will never outwork goku
I don't even know the name of Ichigo.and Naruto's final transformation or their connection to the overall story. I use to but it's so irrelevant and sloppy now that I forgot. Super Saiyan and Gear 5 are iconic though.
>>287927149Ichigo's Bankai but Kubo is a shitposter so he destroyed it instantly.
>>287916672why you look at dragon ball and think its not about hard work the whole show is main characters seeking power training fighting and go back to trainingis its because its not put into words?
>>287924150> classing it as a hito (deity model) doesn't really add or retract from what we already knewIt does, because now the shitty god fruit and its legacy is important to the story, just like now everything revolves around Imu and Joyboy now.If luffy just reached the toon force stage by being on of the flew creative people which limitless creativity and force of will could reach beyond the average awakened fruit, it would’ve been far better.Hell, just make the Joy boyS a rank above the awakening that only flew people (the og Joy Boy himself being the first) managed to reach by awakening their full creativity mode on their own fruit (and so , the joy boy status can be reached by any fruit user, yes even the shitty ones like the jacket).Make them extremely rare to the point only one or two every century is born,And than just have Imu spending the following 800 years culling each of them before they can become common knowledge or famous.In all of this, the guy with the shitty gum fruit managed to become the most famous one by turning into a super famous pirate which actions impacted upon many islands and people, and so for the first time in centuries Imu is really fucked!There.He still get toons force but he is also still a very incredible individual who worked hard and evolved his shitty fruit instead of the gomu being secretly the super fruit of the legends.In this way it would make the setting even more interesting, since the effects or the weird islands could be the resoults and the lasting effects of the flew JoyBoys that before lived before luffy and each of them changed islands in cool ways before getting killed by Imu.Instead NOPE, FUCKING GOD OF THE SUN NIKKA AND IMU THE INCEL…BRAVO ODA!
>>287903198>quincy mother and shinigame father
>>287927566You can kinda get that as is, minus your idea of awakenings being 'omega rare, 1 or 2 per century'.We're still dealing with a magic system we've got in-universe speculation around. VP has only detailed a few things, zoan awakenings have run that gauntlet of 'takes you over until you're a useless yesman for rando BDSMlady, to 'it might take over you fucking mind' and 'zoans are actually alive', see gun-dog and sword-elephant.Joyboy is 15 fucking years ago. He failed as we learned back then, all used to give us info, or rather expand on the last 800 years, it's fucking back in jaya we learn things are a little more complicated than we though, and even at alabasta we're only just shown that the corruption, suppression, incompetence and apparent willingness to lie to the populace is shown. 150~ish chapters to show what we're really dealing with and then another 300 to show the sheer extent of the corruption and lies (since the crew effectively go off script from alabasta til sabaody (they get protected effectively by WG traitors)). (OPs long form storytelling that focuses on arcs that last 50-100 chapters that cover a couple days at best are kinda the downfall).
>>287912074Thanks for proving his point you "retard" wink* (you know very well what He means with that statement), and the talent in sports is not genetic and cannot be inherited.
>>287927566>because now the shitty god fruit and its legacy is important to the storyHas been since Shanks let him eat the fruit. Fuck off man. One Piece has been building an Odyssey since Arabasta concluded. It hasn't betrayed it's intent or narrative at all in any recent development. It's more like you're trying to find flaws to bring it down so people perceive it being as shitty or worse than something you like. Grow up.
