Man, I really want to like this show, but it feels so awkward. The show tries so hard to wank the main cast as geniuses that everyone else acts like a complete retards. And the plot developments are so convenient. Like the old general dude refusing to wage war against a weaker country because he speculates a powerful dictator might pop up? The fuck kind of logic is that? And then of course one does just to prove him right. And then we're expected to believe this army of badass winter soldiers just submit to some rando chick cause her daddy happened to be a good general? It feels like a retards take on history.
>>287912183it's for midwits (that are also in the closet)
>>287912183It had plot??It's a black comedy. It's funni
You do realize the events of this show are largely based on events in Romance of the Three Kingdoms, which is generally stuff that actually happened but a bit embellished, right? I think you might just be retarded and need someone to explain everything to you.>>287912364Mouth breathing mongoloid spotted.
>>287913798So? I'm not saying the overall plot is impossible. Just that the way the narrative structures itself in such a way that everything that happens feels ridiculously stupid and contrived.
>>287912183It has a nice presentation but that's about it, the content itself, the characters, the development, etc is all just ok at best. But to be fair a nice presentation and a quirky setting is all you need to impress people, I'm liking it a lot for what it is but I don't think is anything special.
>>287914444>It feels like a retards take on history.I point out it's based on history.>So?What's contrived, exactly? That he said you shouldn't pressure the country that is currently experiencing internal strife because you're running the risk of galvanizing the people who are already at odds with eachother against a common enemy if someone with any sort of political pull and knowledge of history is around to unite them against you? They aren't saying she's a generational once in a lifetime leader, they were essentially just saying "Don't interrupt your enemies while they're making a mistake". This isn't rocket science, dude. You're way overblowing the suspension of disbelief because you fundamentally don't understand history or tactics where they are literally just lifting from real life events in a famous story and calling it "Japan's Romance of the Three Kingdoms" and your dumbass thinks it's unbelievable. "They're trying so hard to make these people seem smart" and it's just shit that "smart" people literally already did throughout history.I can't wait for you to watch some story about World War 1 and call the assassination of Franz Ferdinand "ridiculously stupid and contrived".
>>287914759this is mostly how I feel about it too. I think it's still riding the waves of that gutpunch in the first ep (which desu felt cheap to me, but it achieved its desired effect).All that said, one or two strong episodes could elevate it for me. I haven't settled on my AOTS yet, and usually by this time I have a good idea. Everything I'm watching is just ok
>>287915318The guy is talking to you about the show's actual narrative structure (story and plot progression). Meanwhile, you're jumping straight to the moral of it all, ignoring the actual narrative and presentation. The show's nothing but time skips and "and thens". The basic logic in the show is largely used like magic. An unknown force that nobody can seemingly challenge, which allows the protagonist to just win somehow.
>>287914444>the way the narrative structures itself in such a way that everything that happens feels ridiculously stupid and contrived
>>287915636Ok so how has the protagonist "just won", exactly? How is logic used as a magic force? Because he pointed out the guy who got his wife killed was the one who connected "fatso" with Taira? Because he, an agriculture specialist, came up with a detailed plan to help boost their numbers and efficiency that he probably just read in a book because it's literally a plan Kongming suggested? The guy pointing out they were at an advantage because they were going through a civilians revolt and stepping in could end up backfiring on them? Pointing out strategies they literally already used to try and deceive them previously? Them orchestrating an excuse to send some troops somewhere else? Nothing has fucking happened in this show yet. There's not been some magical horse shit. These complaints are some psued cinemasins level bullshit and not based in any actual substance just "vibes", which is what I pointed out.If you want to complain about time skips, they're generally pretty common in these sorts of stories, RotTK is full of time skips which is where this show draws its primarily inspiration along with The Tale of the Heike. If you don't like them, you just don't like these sorts of stories in general, that's not really a fault of the show. That's like saying a mecha anime is bad because it has a robot in it. It's at least more of a valid complaint than "their logic is used like magic" when hardly anything substantial has fucking happened, it's mostly been shit that has actually happened in history or so relatively inconsequential that complaining like he's fucking Lelouch is just fucking retarded.
>>287916327>maybe >probablyHow convenient that his little diary just so happened to contain the exact plan that whatshisname was looking for. What was the plan, by the way? Any ideas on the actual numbers? Ah who cares, just consume product. That whole scene played out like your typical "K-KONO POWA" scene with the glasses guy (and you) being totally blown away by the MC's m̶a̶g̶i̶c̶ logic. Didn't bother reading the rest of your copepost, sagegod.
>>287912183>The show tries so hard to wank the main cast as geniuses that everyone else acts like a complete retards.I just take it as comedy? The show obviously isn't taking itself too seriously. It's entertaining anyway, and probably has the most interesting art and direction this season.
>>287916857The op's catchy af too
>>287916761>How convenient that his little diary just so happened to contain the exact plan that whatshisname was looking for. It wasn't "the exact plan they were looking for", it was a sound plan to help them build up their numbers. It showed he was an asset that could be invested into and potentially greatly help them in the future. You are actually fucking retarded. They literally gave a breakdown in the episode. 360,000 soldiers and only 1/5 could be stationed on the border because that was the maximum amount their current crop yield supported. To better utilize the cost that it currently took to transport the soldiers from other areas when needed, they would utilize abandoned farmland and have the soldiers work in shifts to help increase the crop yield by dividing 50,000 soldiers across three regions where 1/5 of the troops would be on rotation just like they are now while the other 4/5 are helping produce more crops to sustain their numbers while simultaneously helping to stimulate their economy and relieving pressure on citizens. You are the literal mindless consoomer you're posturing to be above. You literally couldn't process the information they gave you in the show. This was a real policy that was implemented, by the way, and that's exactly how it worked.
>>287915318>I point out it's based on historyAgain, so? The way that history is presented is retarded.>you're running the risk of galvanizing the people who are already at odds with eachother against a common enemy if someone with any sort of political pull and knowledge of history is around to unite them against you? That's not an inference any reasonable fucking human being would make in those circumstances. There are countless examples of countries in disarray being annexed. To take the show's own example, how many fucking Napoleons do you think there are in history?
>>287912183The worst part about it is how tone deaf it is. It feels like it's trying to be like Golden Kamuy except it can never separate serious moments at all, it's just 24/7 slapstick which completely kills the feel.
>>287917453Since this got bumped again I will take a moment to reply. I genuinely think that you do not understand storytelling, or fiction in general, and view shows like keynote presentations, where scenes just deliver exposition until moving on to the next slide for more exposition. Listen, I did not ask for you to repeat the scene and break down the numbers for me. This is episode three. At this point in the story, we know nothing about the MC: not his actual plan, not the information that he possesses. How he obtained this information. Nothing. How does he have access to the numbers that allowed him to devise the exact plan that whatshisname needed? Information about troop deployment, crops yields, fields, water, etc. What sort of chain of events took place that turned our MC into this know-it-all and allowed him to come up with this near-perfect plan? Our protagonist being an agricultural officer at some point in the story is a hand-wavy explanation at best and raises more questions than it answers. This is what people mean when they complain about the poor and contrived narrative. There is never a "because"; it's almost always "and then".
>>287918510It is a bona fide gag comedy though.
>>287919039Yeah but I used Golden Kamuy as a comparison because the it does the war-action setting gag comedy better. It's not just 24/7 slapstick but still full of it, and when it pulls it out it's way funnier. I guess you could argue that comedy isn't meant to be the primary genre of golden kamuy but maybe that's just proof that for this kind of setting, making it secondary will still simply lend to better comedy too.
>>287919314IMO Golden Kamuy is way better by virtue of having good antagonists you can root for. Arguably over protagonists themselves. Nippon Sangoku's main, glaring flaw is the Tairas with their combination of over the top edgy villainy and invincible plot armor. The heroes all conveniently turn into pathetic weaklings in their presence, then you're expected to still see them as competent afterwards? Hell no. It's a bad look, and reaches the point of informed ability that these supposed ultra geniuses literally can't deal with a fat pig and his cronies.
>>287918697I think you have the understanding of storytelling at a 4th grade reading level. Our school systems are failing you fucking mental midgets. Just because you're too fucking stupid and need everything spoonfed to you to understand, doesn't mean it's bad writing. It means you're a fucking moron. >Our protagonist being an agricultural officer at some point in the story is a hand-wavy explanation at best and raises more questions than it answers.This is so fucking retarded I'm shocked you're still breathing.
>>287918697>What sort of chain of events took place that turned our MC into this know-it-all and allowed him to come up with this near-perfect plan?He's an autocrat genius prodigy. duh.It's established from the beginning that he's got some plans to get into the feudal Japanese political plots and so he must be skilled at the thing that the show is about. It's a given since other autocrats aka "the important characters" like Sword Guy take notice of him. + There's some basis on romanticized Three Kingdoms. If Sword Guy took notice of him, and Sword Guy is an important character, anime tropes dictate MC is impressive. Must we show him devising the plan? That's office work. Shrug.You keep stringing words like "storytelling structure" together but it's unclear what tangible point you're getting at. I guess you're saying it does the anime storytelling tropes like Death Note where the story centers on prodigies who are dramatized when they do cool things and eat potato chips. But that's just a thing that happens in this style of storytelling.
>>287919642>>287919748For both your sakes, I am going to go ahead and assume that you're just trolling. Otherwise, your mere existence would vindicate those "media literacy" posters.
>>287919748I mean it's really not hard for them to figure out. He uses his position and knowledge as an agricultural officer to identify a potential problem, he brings them a potential solution that he most likely based on reading in RoTK or a similar book that it's established he went out of his way to read, the officers present weigh out if it could potentially work or not logistically based on the knowledge they know, and the general deems him worth investing in and bring him on board. It's not a matter of having the "perfect plan" or knowing everything at 18, he's learning shit while he's working as an auditor these last 3 years. They have such a stringently retarded view of this story, it's no wonder they need literally everything spelled out for them.>>287919849You literally don't have the media literacy to understand historical dramas and demand stories adhere to a rigid contemporary structure or else they're bad. You're a fucking moron who probably isn't even familiar with Romance of the Three Kingdoms.to begin with.
Huy guys, 5 episodes into this show. It's so stupid and contrived. It keeps doing these time skips and I have no object permanence to be able to follow. How did this blonde guy get so smart? They're trying so hard to wank him and the blue haired guy as genius that they just made all these Aristocrats retarded. How did this blue haired whatshisname even know how to command this fleet in this formation like this? He wasn't even a commander until like 5 minutes ago when the commanding officer died and I can't make logical inferences. We don't know their plan, how they got the information needed to come up with the perfect strategy to let them win, anything. What a terrible show.
>>287920251LotGH is legitimately way more embarrassing when it comes to this sort of thing. The genius, battle-winning tactics are drive-by thoughts one would have within 10 seconds. I was honestly astonished with how dumb the writing was at times. But hey, put in enough snappy aphorisms every episode and people will eat it up and call it a masterpiece.
>>287920251It does look retarded tbqh
>>287920251Is Trunicht the Denki of LoGH?
>caring about time skips in historical fiction basedAre you guys like... dumb?
Seriously though, how much longer will the Taira plot armor keep up for? It's annoying and predictable at this point, we get it, he's invincible and can break reality to do whatever he wants without punishment. The supposed genius badass heroes are all completely helpless to stop him. Is this going to be the entire show?
>>287917735if you've ever read a history book you would have heard of all the crazy and dumb shit people did in real life all the timeon what frame of reference is a "bad" story that's told in an anime more "retarded" than what has happened in real life? what criteria are you basing this on?
>>287924000NTA but if you're even admitting it's retarded then it's hypocritical to keep pushing these retards as somehow being incredibly genius (despite being admittedly retarded) and extremely competent (despite being absolutely helpless against the fat bastard with plot armor).
>>287924040i see them as fairly competent people who make mistakes which is very realistici just don't know what OP expects. does he want a 100% no death speedrun storyline because there are other genres in anime for this
>>287918697>dat Watchmen reference
The epidemic of "I'm smarter than the author!" types has been a disaster for the discussion of narrative works. Reasonable contrivances are what good stories are built on but they are decried because of that fact they are contrivances. Characters choosing the best possible course of action at the time is "bad writing" because they should have meta knowledge of the story somehow. They should know the result of every possible decision before they make it because we all know that's how it works IRL as well, right?Worse is that you can't tell whether it's a genuine misunderstanding of storytelling or just performative cry for attention at this point. Just look at all those seals ITT clapping about how it's merely a comedy and you shouldn't take it seriously. As if sincere interest in a story is now a sin.
>>287925005Imagine acting this pretentious when there's a comical fat bastard doing goofy shit all the time with no repercussions and even making that kawaii hand sign every time he does.
>>287925068so the pretext is that "everyone is retarded in the story" but really you just want to complain about the fatty
>>287925068Goofy shit like what?Killing people for the smallest of offenses, taking control of governance by subterfuge and assassination, putting himself in a position where everyone is scared of even talking to him?All of these things are treated seriously in-universe and have reprecussions on the plot. Him being "goofy" is to demonstrate how untouchable he is in front of his opposition. It's how a stylistic presenation can reinforce an idea without breaking of the tone.Like, what even is the point of your post? You just described things that happened as if that's a critique.
