I used to hate him since i thought he was as a gag character like roshi but now i understand his duality.>the less i have the more you gain.
>>287981185Killing off Jiraiya was a mistake. The soul of this series died with him.
>>287981185Jiraya to me gave me this vibe similar to yoda were you have this foolish odd ball character that used as gag but it turns out he is pretty strong and wise intelligent monk whose role is the guide.Yet kishi failed to utilize his character
This is the only kind of "person" that still gives a shit about Naruto.
>>287981185Never fucking heard him qoute that btw so it is head cannon
>>287981249If anything he was spared of the incoming slop that the series become.Keep him alive for what? Become Madara fodder?
>>287981249He was the best, just thinking how itachi chose to run away from him showed how cool he was.
>>287981185There's little reason to like Jiraiya and it's good that Kishimoto did away with him for Naruto's growth.None of Jiraiya's gags are funny. He's just an ugly horny bastard with little self-control. He often does a disservice to Naruto, whether talking down to him or projecting his own failures. At the end of part 1 Naruto could conceivably abhor the idea of spending years with the sannin just from his experiences so far.Jiraiya is always on the periphery of things which makes him look that much more pathetic. He was absent for the 9 tails attack, the Uchiha massacre and most of the Konoha Crush. Also earned Konan's resentment for not following up with the Ame orphans, when he could have been someone they could lean on when Madara was subverting their organization.Jiraiya losing his will to escape Pain and live when he realized that he failed every student and Tsunade knowing him for 40 years would never love him is the perfect sendoff for the loser.
>>287981715Because they were working together itatchi is his informant.
>>287981290Jiraiya's loyalty to the village is often overlooked, he loved Tsunade but was willing to kill her if she fucked it over in some way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOG1myD_dlo>>287981393Can't imagine how much worse someone who spams them looks lol
>>287981439>Jiraya was a millionaire and had women but was never happy since tsunade never loved him so he takes the black pill.>jiraya could have gone in to politics and become a hokage even better than he tsunade and hiruzen but refuses to play the system and his failure to save minato haunts him.>jiraya knew that he could have stopped orochimaru before he killed hiruzen and attacked the village but chose to do nothing because he understood oro better then anyone else.And when he died Tsunade finally realized her affection for him as soon as it was too late , Naruto achieved his goal of creating peace in the ninja world just like how deemed it in his story and his friend orochimaru reformed hinsel and changed his way.
>>287981779......goddamn
>>287982269The facts are the facts.Also forgot that part 1 had an entire arc about Jiraiya weaseling out of becoming hokage by putting that burden on a trauma victim. He spent decades trying to bring Orochimaru to justice only to totally fail to bring attention of the hidden sound to his village authorities. Orochimaru attacks with impunity. I'd think more highly of him if he stepped up and felt that dealing with that fallout and protecting the village was his responsibility now. But instead he sells the elders on recruiting someone who wants nothing to do with their rotten system. Tsunade and the village almost getting subsequently killed by another of Jiraiya's mistakes is just incredible. A legacy that keeps on screwing others over.
>>287981290Jiraya is a typical Kenobi type mentor character that needs to die for the pupil to come into his own.In OP, for instance that role is a bit fragmented but the core of it is in Shanks. Except in the case of OP the story stretched for so long that his death got delayed to the very end of the manga.But either way it's a common trope. Merlin to King Arthur, Yoda to Luke, etc...
Reminder that Naruto is weak without Kurama, he's fucking worthless and no amount of cope will change that.
>>287982033>but chose to do nothing because he understood oro better then anyone else.Why would understanding him mean he would allow Orochimaru to kill his sensei and attack the village? It was a means to an end?
>>287981779>He was absent for the 9 tails attack, the Uchiha massacre and most of the Konoha CrushAnd the sasuke retrieval arc. Jiraya could have beaten the sound 4 single handed and bring back the sauce jar in time for evening ramen but he was off drinking and chasing whores instead.>Also earned Konan's resentment for not following up with the Ame orphansNagato's backstory was full of stupid shit but jiraya finding a random war orphan who has the mythical Rinnegan, training him for 2 years and then leaving him to fend for himself in a war torn hellhole is the dumbest shit ever. On par with madara leaving his rinnegan with said orphan and hoping he doesn't die or have his eyes stolen.
>>287983139>but jiraya finding a random war orphan who has the mythical Rinnegan, training him for 2 years and then leaving him to fend for himself in a war torn hellhole is the dumbest shit everNot as bad as being Naruto's godfather and doing fucking nothing until the Chunin exams and wasting 2.5 years instead of teaching him real stuff like he did to the ame trio
>>287982990No, That is Ace with One Piece. Ace was Luffys mentor growing up, just not in the traditional sense since he grew alongside him. That wake up and realization gives him the traditional wise master ala Roshi/Jiraya in Reyleigh and later Hyo in Wano to help further train.Shanks is the promise and goalpost. He is the Hokage/Martial Arts Champion/Pokemon Master concept Luffy wants to achieve while the entire character is riddle after riddle.
>>287981715that was before the Itachi retcon though
Jiraiya feels like Kishinoto saw Master Roshi and wanted to add more stakes. He's a lecherous old man, but deep down he knows his life is full of shame and mistakes. His novels didn't take off, Tsunade didn't love him, one of his star pupils died and the other became a supervillain. His greatest contribution to the world in the end was giving Naruto guidance.
It's hard to explain exactly, but it seems to me that people who “used to be on the fast track but dropped out (or at least see themselves that way)” are projecting themselves onto Jiraiya.
>>287981185Losing him hurt so bad.
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>>287982019thumbnail looks like gintama
>>287984498It did but the writing on his end was good.
>>287983095He viewed Orochimaru as a brother, similar to Naruto and Sasuke, and in the past, he tried to reason with him
>>287982033>jiraya could have gone in to politics and become a hokage even better than he tsunade and hiruzen.How tho he isn’t book smart or savvy with paperwork ?
>>287985612Knowing a death is close doesn't make it sting any less. Some of us still feel things when we watch anime.
>>287985663He traveled to every village and small village and heard about each and everyone of their political struggles.
>>287986330Your a joke
>>287981185Don't compare Roshi to this lame ass shithead.
>>287981534I think the quality drop is s direct consequence of his death. Naruto already lost his biological father, why did he have to become orphaned twice? Now he's left coping that fucking Iruka is like his father.
>>287981534This. Everyone who died was essentially spared from a much worse fate.
>>287981185kill yourself narutard
