Redpill me on anime encodes. How can groups like [ASW] and [Judas] release anime with smaller than 10MiB/min filesizes while [CoalGirls] is 10 times as big with no noticable differences?
modern codecs
>>287984690They kill sound quality and bitrate. If you want 100% experience, you don't get it from them.
Bloatgirls intentionally bloated filesizes back in the day. An episode eating up a gig and a half was a gag.
>>287984690If you can't tell the difference, just download the smaller one anon :)like a pig in shit
>>287984690>with no noticable differencesbuy a better monitor/tv/stop watching anime on your phone
>>287984690must admit I always download asw if possible, I don't notice any difference. been doing it for yearsI've only got 25 mbps on 5g so it's just faster and no difference
>>287984762why the :) ? if I can't tell the difference then I won't pay the storage space and network bandwidth tax.go play with your $5000 silver coax cable>>287984690lossy compression. less defined colors, blurrier motion. which for anime doesn't matter at all.
>>287984887anime is a low spatial and temporal resolution medium.
>>287984690ASW is the GOAT
>>287984746Nowadays that's the standard size of webrips. Where did it all go so wrong?
Most of my batches are [neoHEVC] [EMBER] [Judas] [Trix]. If I can't fit the batch onto a DVD I'm not downloading it.
>>287985283>DVDhow's the retirement home treating you
>>>/g/ you retardsrather OP is so retarded he didn't even know this was a /g/ issue
Redpill me on 300GB rip instead.
>>287985386complaining about shitty codecs and oversized encodes is staple /a/ cultural heritage
>>287985423you mean it's had deferred enforcement for so long because anime has been dead for that long
>>287985436>deferred enforcementthat's what board culture is, kiddo
>>287985452I think board culture SUCKS
>>287985283DVD wasn't that long ago
>>287985452so says that one anon so terribly assmad that jannies finally got fed up with sakura fish spam
>>287984745>>287984887There's virtually no difference and you're a lying faggot trying to be elitist about something you don't understand. Go ahead and post the comparisons of those "noticeable differences".
>>287985483Get off your phone
>>2879851791920 x 1080 is 2,073,6001280 x 720 is 921,600More than double the pixels for each frame, so filesize growing more than double is logical too.
>>287985492>no argument>off-topic low quality imageFuck off, pretender.
>>287985500>doesn't recognize the imagehow kafkaesque
>>287984690A few giga-autists will fervently tell you it absolutely ruins the image and audio quality, and maybe occasionally they’ll deign to show you a screenshot with couple of pixels looking slightly different, but to the absolutely majority of people, it makes no difference
>>287985500>thinks there's an argument to be had sausage anon who only has these discussions off-topic on /a/ instead of on /g/ were they belong
>>287984690New technology resulting in better and more efficient encoding. 10-bit HEVC is a godsend. 2-3x smaller filesize at no discernible quality loss. Sometimes savings are lower, sometimes larger, depending on the show.
>>287985511Good thing we're all hyperautists, and not the average person
>>287985509It's unrelated to /a/. Fuck off.
Would you belive /precure/ wants me download [Serenae] rips that are 1.4Gb big per episode because they're bascially a resubbed crunchyroll rip.That's 73 gigs for an entire show, which is almost the size of the Dragonball Z torrent I have my eye on.What a shocking situation.
>>287985521Looks more like bunch of crossboarding tourists too dumb to post a screenshot comparison. (probably because they don't actually download anime, don't know shit about video quality, and merely try to hate the reencodes in a desperate attempt to fit in)Proper autists would have dropped a wall of text with 8 links explaining the differences.
>>287985386/g/, aside from a couple of helpful threads, is a shill board for big companies like google, microsoft, apple and smaller teams like braveAnime encodes are /a/, just like manga translations or important seiyuu news.
Based or cringe? It really turns those early blurry digital shows sharp and crisp imo
>>287985602>important seiyuu news.I don't know man, 3D seems a bit more /jp/ to me
ERABEWill you download the 1.1Tb(!) Dragonball torrent (x264) or the 104Gb hevc re-encode.https://nyaa.si/view/2057751https://nyaa.si/view/1736157Be careful, the price of hdds is going up as we speak.
I don't see or hear the difference. If you do, by all means go pay the storage price.
>>287985645*https://nyaa.si/view/1691912*514Gbwhoops, wrong series
In general, anime encoders are notoriously ignorant, while movie and TV show encoders know their shit, employing the latest techniques and codecs. Meanwhile animetards basically produce AVIs renamed to MKV, bloating the SD content to 10x its original size. Hilarious.
>>287985283>DVDWhy not BD
>>287985639/jp/ doesn't want you there
>>287985639Idol stuff or some random post-anime events in some 300-people hall in Japan are jp/ for sure but stuff like seiyuu going on a hiatus or coming back are very /a/ relevant because they impact on-going and upcoming anime.
>>287985483Here's a comparison of the leaked DCP release of Your Namehttps://slow.pics/c/Ff4SsSiB
>>287985712BD burners are hard to come by.https://www.umart.com.au/pc-parts/storage-devices/cd-dvd-burners-optical-drive-20You can get a USB3 DVD burner for $45 dollarydoos while the cheapest and only BD burner is $190 over USB2.
>>287985751Hm? Appreciate it but that's a movie with BD comparisons, not an on-going TV series with random CR-web-rip vs one of ASW/Judas/etc. Not very relevant to this thread.
>>287985514Anime encoding discussions have always been /a/. We don't have frequent discussions anymore because /a/ is now filled with normalfags who use their phones and streaming sites.
>>287985709It's the opposite actually. Anime encoders always adopt the latest codecs. Forget av1, nyaa even has a few vvc encodes. Whereas scene boomers still use xvid.
>>287985845>nyaa even has a few vvc encodesextremely based schizo codec killed by greedy faggot patent trolls
>>287984690There's nothing to get redpilled on retard, if you can't see the difference you can be legally considered blind
>>287986515Are you aware such exaggerations only make you look (legally) retarded?
>>287985179>Where did it all go so wrong?Data storage got cheaper and internet got faster so people stopped caring about optimization
>>287985521>Good thing we're all hyperautists>on /a/kek
HEVC is king or whatever comes next that isn't AV1, not worth it.
>>287984690
>>287985751Literally no difference
>>287985357How's school, sporty?
>>287985408Preservation and for the hardcore fan.For any other case is just bloat.
>>287985526Lynched
>>287986515>no argument
>>287985386>>287985452>>287985639These are the exact sort of threads that should be on /a/ actually
>>287985602>important seiyuu news
just click "av1 svt" and a 1gb h264 episode becomes a 200mb episode at same quality
>>287985140>if I can't tell the differenceIt's because you're ignorant or unobservant, or both. Low bitrate encodes may look fine in static scenes but in busy scenes with lots of elements in motion, particularly in darker scenes as well, the artifacting is incredibly visible. Maybe you just have no idea what to look for, or maybe you are simply not discerning enough to notice it. Maybe your screen is fucking tiny as fuck and bad quality itself and the difference is actually not visible.In any case if you're happy enough with the low quality encodes and the storage / bandwidth savings are somehow relevant to you (even "big" encodes seem quite small to me compared to modern storage capacity, but anyway) then just view what suits you best. The higher quality versions exist for people who can tell the difference, that's pretty much it.>>287985408Preservation of the highest quality available, useful in particular as a source to make future encodes with newer codecs for example.
>>287985408How else would you make sure the torrent doesn't have any seeds?
>>287989144>low quality encodeslolit's hilarious how pretentious you are
>>287985547You can just get .ass subs from serenae directly and put than on video of your choice. Or is this too oldschool for you?
>>287989144>the artifacting is incredibly visible.stop watching anime on a massive 4k screen retard they draw it at like 720p anyway
unrelated, but I unironically spent several hours tinkering with MPC-HC because of the look of a tiny pixel near the subtitles when I used the fit screen option. I ended up using the normal size of the video, which was 640x480, but if I used the magnifier app at 200%, then the slight aberration wouldn't be there. It still was not full screen, but at least it was better than before.
When will encoding groups catch up to the fact that 8 fps anime looks fucking shit and they need to interpolate the show to 60
>>287989262Sorry anon I'm just a dude with normal eyesight and a decent screen, when the whole screen blurs due to low bitrate it's incredibly obvious, we're not talking about the subtleties of comparing one 30GB BD encode to another or something.Like I said if you like your low quality encodes it's fine, it's none of my business what you enjoy looking at. You don't need to be so defensive about it.>>287989312Who gives a shit? When the entire screen goes blocky and blurry as soon as something moves, do you cheer in your head "at least they only draw it at 720p" or something?Or are you now bragging about watching shows on some tiny phone screen because, what, you cannot afford any better and as such must lash out against those who do?
is there any value in converting h.264s into h.265s to save space, or is it just easier/less power to re download from someone who converted the original rips?
>>287990126you want to dl the best quality bd release and encode it in av1 svt
>>287989924>faking humblenesskek, what a loserNo, you don't know shit. it is a HIGH quality encode. Because it achieves way lower filesize without sacrificing quality. You don't even know what's the point of encoding. HEVC encodes don't aim to provide the highest imaginable quality. They aim to provide reasonable, relatively small filesize while still maintaining good quality - and they do - and that makes them HIGH quality encodes.>When the entire screen goes blocky and blurry as soon as something movesNTA but that never happens in ASW encodes, lying faggot. Feel free to provide examples to support your claims. Until then, shut the fuck up.
>>287984730thread answered by the first post and somehow still up with so much misinformation lol
There was a period where I watched anime on a computer from 1964 and had to settle for ASW. It wasn't so bad regardless of what encoding autists will tell you.
>>287990525>on a computer from 1964
>>2879854941080 straight from crunchy was 300-400 mb not so long agoits just that the fastest rippers aka horriblesubs and the like, just rip directly without any modificationsthus when crunchy started sharting out 700 mb, they did toothen it just bloated into the modern 1,4 gigs
>>287989924>When the entire screen goes blocky and blurry as soon as something movesI've never seen that in any release and that includes terrible groups from ages ago. Sounds like your player settings, or brain more likely, are fucked beyond repair. What you're describing is something I could maybe expect from very low bitrate STREAMS but those aren't the topic of the thread. You're rambling on about something that only exists in your head. Schizophrenic behavior.
So if most of the differences are seen in scenes with motion, why are comparisons always made between static screenshots that all look pretty much exactly the same save for a few very dark scenes where it's usually very slightly more noticeableWhy don't they give short video extracts to compare?
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>>287990826The narrative would fall apart if they provided examples.
>>287991149narrative abou what?
>>287991162about them having superior eyesight and seeing the difference so clearly while all the other plebs watches low quality encodes (trust me difference is big but i can't show it)
>>287985790I miss the days when RX782 would write tomes about the methodology and thought process behind his cel releases. Hard to believe it's been like a decade already since he hung up his hat.
>anime is a slideshowASW>anime has sakugaSubsPleaseit's that easy.also, you don't need 1.3GB just because the episode has some speedlines and shitty particle effects.
>>287989312>they draw it at like 720p anywayNowadays it's produced in like 800~900p, then up/down scaled to standard resolutions
Likely just bitrate. After a certain point, adding more bitrate isn't going to change the quality much but will still add to the size. Though ASW I've seen is criticized for not giving it enough bitrate. I usually do go with ASW though and don't notice any issues. You can see something similar if you rip a bluray directly (or more like a remux than a rip). Because they have the space, bluray video tends to have pretty high bitrates. It's more important for live action video than anime though. But for instance I downloaded a bluray remux of Maebashi Witches recently because it was the only bluray version I could find I think, and it was like 7GB per episode. Which is fine if you are putting it on a disc (though I don't know if having the bitrate that high gives you any benefits, I wouldn't think so) but even with a lot of space I don't want to use nearly 100 GB on a single 12 episode series. So I reencoded it to closer to 1 GB per episode, which some people may consider overkill still but it's at the very least more sane.
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>>287991385>Likely just bitrate. After a certain point, adding more bitrate isn't going to change the quality much but will still add to the size. Though ASW I've seen is criticized for not giving it enough bitrate. I usually do go with ASW though and don't notice any issues. You can see something similar if you rip a bluray directly (or more like a remux than a rip). Because they have the space, bluray video tends to have pretty high bitrates. It's more important for live action video than anime though. Isn't a big factor with this simply how "limited" animation is compared tolive action? With most animation done on 3s and modern productions using a lot of flat, uniform colors added bitrate isn't always necessary because the output image on screen isn't changing too often and even then not by too much. Compared to a standard tv show being recorded in at least 24 FPS and actors having natural idle movements/motions that a camera can pick up.Probably a vast overgeneralization. There's a bunch of nuance in balancing bitrate and filesize but since I've got shitty eyesight I don't sperg out too much about it apart from choosing what release I want to save on my disks for long term storage. Seasonal stuff I really don't care, ASW and Erai just have far smaller filesizes and thus eat up less space on the seasonal folder on my seedbox until I clear it up after it ends.
This must be the pleb thread. MUH STORAGE SPACE
>only visible in motionkek, that's a pathetic copoutWe're talking about downloaded episodes. All such artifacting would be visible on screenshots. If you can't see it on screenshots, but see it in motion, that means your PC is too weak to render the frames or your player is corrupted. Generally it's something that's only possible in streams. It's not applicable to encodes you watch from your disk.>>287991684Way to out yourself as a newfag who only watched small number of anime. Storage space is a real concern if you preserve a lot of shows. Prices became ridiculous some time ago as well.Your next line will be "I only save good anime" - again, way to out yourself as a newfag, if you think only small number of anime is good.
>>287991684post your hdds + cost
>>287991684Just because you have a lot of space doesn't mean you should be unnecessarily wasting it. Just like how even if you have a ton of money you shouldn't waste it on stupid shit.
>>287984690Retardation, encoders are the dumber and lazier people around, just 10 years ago the same files that used to be 500mb are now 1.5-2gb, and now we are stuck with HEVC, but the same thing is happening to HEVC and now we are moving on to AV1, all this bullshit for the exact same result.
>>287985492he also specifically pointed out monitorsyou're not getting the True Experience™ unless you're watching chinese cartoons in a home theater
>>287991393surely someone here has seen an anime and witnessed a scene where the entire frame pans It stutters, stutter looks wrong. Stutter is bad. Stutter is undersirable. No stutter = good. The anime studios are not going to fix it, they dont care. they prob dont even watch anime because if they did they would make anime differentlyInterpolation fixes stutter, which is the worst looking element in anime and the encoders have tools available to do it with ai.
Its very easy to check frame by frame. a good encode will be like 1-2gb per ep (higher if there is lot of grain and shit). They usually are better than the 6gb remuxes/source because they are filtered
>>287991764absolutely dripping with seethe xD
Is the best original source a BD?
>>287992366sometimes theres no bd and then the best source is webdl or somethinglike netflix originals
>>287992395How much space would a direct rip of those average compared to people iit saying 1.2gigs per episode is normal nowadays?
>>287992476theres some of those on nyaa which you can check out, I think they max out at like 80mb/s bitrates while 8mb/s would be more than enough for a regular encoded torrent release
>>287992366It depends. For many 00s anime, BD often looks worse than DVD because Japs are incompetent and just went with braindead upscale + sharpen that murders details. For newer anime, BD tends to look good but aren't always the best, they can for example struggle with banding (not limited to it but most common issue) and fansubbing/encoding groups can fix that with their releases that weigh 10x less but look better. Yes, better than source. As other anon said earlier, at some point, bitrate is largely wasted and you don't get any benefit from increasing it. Episode can be far smaller while not looking worse. Original BD sources can also suffer from having unnatural hues. I think Madoka BDs had that for example and Italian BDs were used as video source because they were the best ones.
>>287985483i can definitely tell the difference between codecs as well as bitrate, 10 bit h264 looks best if the bitrate is high enough whereas h265 tends to 'smooth out' details and looks like plastic. Which isn't really a problem at equivalent bitrates but the problem with these newer codecs is that groups use the extra efficiency as an excuse to constraint the bitrate too much.
The best way would be having varied bitrate, keeping it high when necessary and low when unneeded. This way in some shows we could achieve filesizes lower than average HEVC while looking better than good BD encode.Sadly technology/skills aren't there yet. I think some old fansubbers (like 10-15 years ago) were trying that but it didn't really stick.
>>287992512>>287992520I see. Thanks for your answers.
at least the 8bit banding problem is kinda rare these daysit just ruins the image
>>287992799Yeah I'm so glad to see it's largely gone. I always waited for fansubs with proper encodes because of it back in the day.
Looks fine to me, but maybe I'll get the bigger files for like, movies, where it's supposed to be high quality and detail.I just don't think I'm missing much going with [ASW] for The Invisible Man and His Soon-to-be Wife.
