Let's celebrate the countdown for the Tarnished Edition of Elden Ring with a storytime of some manga adaptations.Manga #1: Elden Ring: Distant Tales Between, is a collection of side stories about various Elden Ring characters like Patches, Rya, or Millicent. Generally comedic, it is an episodic series of stories without any real continuity between installments.Manga #2: Elden Ring: Road to the Erdtree, is a continuous comedy narrative about one Tarnished's misadventures on the way to becoming Elden Lord.Old Thread:>>287909753
Short dump today. Because I don't want to leave this thread totally hanging with just a small dump, tomorrow I'll post the next volume raws. Its all moonrunes, but you'll be able to get the gist. Its an interesting volume, too.
First for Rya
>>287990634Slithered right in there.
Nepheli is a good girl.
Meli-Meli's INTvestment has paid off!!
thank you anon I have loved your threads and keep the post numbers on a notepad file on my desktop and will look back on them on the archive often for years hopefully
What a devious woman.
>>287990812Its been a very comfy storytime. We lucked out. No drama, no schizos. If only all of them could be this lucky.
That is not dead which can eternal lie.And with strange aeons even death may die.
CreditsAnd that catches us up to the currently available rips. Hopefully we'll get some more in the near future. At least you can say this was not just a cheap cash-in adaptation. You could tell that some passion went into this. I'm happy the author got another stable serialization. I've liked him for a long time. So, what did you all think of Road to the Erdtree? Good, bad, ugly, etc.?Did you prefer one adaptation to the other, or did you like both the same? Personally I somewhat preferred the "Distant Tales Between" adaptation to "Road to the Erdtree" adaptation.
>>287991034Thanks anon, it was swell.
>>287990867What, it was Fia all along?!
>>287991034Well it did its job of making me want to replay the game so i guess it worked
>>287991067It made you 'swollen'?
>>287991034>And that catches us up to the currently available ripsWait, did nobody really download the online version in english?The JP original is widely available up to the latest chapter (see https://raw.senmanga.com/elden-ring-ougonju-e-no-michi)
>>287990902Watch out, she's A-posing!
I like Gideon
>>287991816Nope.There are time gated free English comic-walker releases, but no one rips them, for whatever reason. I tried to dig through the internet archive to rip them myself, but there are too many gaps.
>>287991868He's unfairly hated because he does what the player does all the time, but as an NPC.
>>287991950Yeah, you can read the latest chapter in herehttps://comic-walker.com/detail/KC_005312_S/episodes/KC_0053120008300011_E?episodeType=first
what was the deal with Fia?I remember making her ending but dont recall anything else
>>287992132She is necrophiliac
>>287992132Godwyn yumejo that gathered a harem of simps to defend her as she metaphorically got impregnated by his corpse and created a Great Rune that would canonize skeletons as real people.
>>287992132Fia wanted to make things better for the undead, but in the schizo zombie story kind of way where them being undead isn't cured. The fact that Fortissax is the boss at the end of her quest indicates that her ideology is wrong, whether it's because Fortissax is rendered a rampaging monster due to being undead or because he, as someone who has actually experienced being undead, actually can assess what it's like and determines that being undead is terrible. Fia's ending basically tries to make undeath a universal norm.
>we will not read Volcano Manor arc with best gril Rya
>>287992416buy and rip the page for us then, my dude>>287992123
>>287992132Removing Destined Death basically created a glitch, where you could have a body with no soul and a soul with no body. This didn't seem to be a huge issue outside of Farum Azula (closest to the Rune of Death). Until Ranni killed Godwyn and he was buried in the Erdtree and then shocked everyone by metastasizing like a cancer around the world. This is why most other dead demigods are interned in mobile mausoleums that keep the bodies moving from place to place, to prevent them from rooting like Godwyn did. TWLID are a product of this glitch, where they're souls that have been reattached to bodies without this being under the domain of Erdtree Reincarnation. So they come back as skeletons powered by their old spirit. What the hunters of the dead do, is basically weaponize the logic of the Golden Order against them to destroy their bodies and souls permanently. Basically force the glitch to obey the rules and this destroys the glitched people. What Fia wants is to turn this glitch into a feature, where they are acknowledged as a key part of the system and you can't just destroy TWLID anymore with divine magic.
What else are you looking forward in the manga>Volcano Manor>Flame of Frenzy/Mercator quest>Farum Azula>Mohgor what else?
>>287992538>Removing Destined Death basically created a glitch, where you could have a body with no soul and a soul with no body. This didn't seem to be a huge issue outside of Farum Azula (closest to the Rune of Death).Removing the rune didn't cause that, and Farum Azula wasn't closest to the rune or anything like that. Farum Azula seems to have suffered from a Death Blight outbreak well before Marika was even born, let alone before she removed a Great Rune from the Elden Ring. Ranni used a specific ritual to split a cursemark so that her body died and her soul survived while Godwyn's soul died and his body survived (though his body seems to have died soon afterward). This ritual caused Godwyn's body to rapidly become the epicenter of a Death Blight outbreak, as seen within seconds of his death in the Story Trailer. The other demi-gods murdered on the Night of the Black Knives were put in the Wandering Mausoleums both in case their bodies were afflicted from their murders and to keep what remained safe from the confirmed Death Blight outbreak.It's unclear whether Those Who Live in Death still have their souls connected to their bodies or not, but they seem to be (or eventually become) berserk and murderous, considering what they did to Summonwater Village and how everything around them tends to be especially destroyed. The hunters use specific techniques developed through Golden Order Fundamentalism against the undead to prevent their warped reassembly "revivals", but lamentably the hunters became ecstatic to have a group to fight and call an absolute evil rather than pitying the victims of the Death Blight and/or seeking to cure them in any way. Golden Order Fundamentalism incantations might still work on the undead in Fia's world, but her mending rune would make the undead outbreak basically universal and even more severe, hence the fog in Leyndell and the Erdtree's coloration in her ending. Being a zombie isn't incidental in her order, it's prioritized.
>>287992911I wonder how they'll handle Melina's decision to sacrifice herself to burn the Erdtree. I doubt the mangaka will play it straight but I don't think it can be handwaved as a joke either. Same with Alexander.
reminder that ranni is your wife
>>287992976weird that if you do the three fingers quest Meli-Meli leaves you and the erdtree burn by itself i guess?
>>287992911>>287992976I wonder if the manga will even go past the Morgott encounter in Leyndell. It might use the name of the manga as a reason and joke to end things there.
>>287992911Sellen!
>>287992976I wonder if we could get an altered ending. There's been that idea of using the Frenzied Flame to burn the Erdtree, then using the needle to cleanse yourself so you don't become Ghost Rider.The common complaint with that is that Melina would probably never roll with the plan because it takes away from her entire purpose of being, but who knows what Meli-meli would do.
i hope we see more of her
>>287992971To me, I see Farum Azula as just bearing the consequences of Marika using it as a storehouse for the Rune of Death. And that just being near the Rune is inherently corrupting.This is why Gurranq and Maliketh seem so mentally unstable, they're basically turning Hollow. And the bodies throughout the city are reviving or mutating into wormfaces because of their proximity.It is just Farum Azula being a floating city that kept the plague from spreading until Godwyn became patient zero for the outbreak to reach the continent.
>the world is turning into a hellscape because the ruler of that time couldnt accept their era coming to endnoticing
>>287993235Tale as old as time
>>287993118Considering her sealed eye, Melina might go schizo with time to boot. At the Forge of the Fire Giants, she talks about the world needing "death indiscriminate" even though the world certainly seems to have that at the time she says that. The Gloam-Eyed Queen also created a society entirely centered around murdering tons of people, complete with a caste system where more kills and finesse at disturbing the remains would create a rank of "nobility" with disdain for the "lowborn" in the same group. Killing Maliketh doesn't even truly "free" Enia, she's stuck with her duty as a dead body, and Hewg's existence is miserable while Roderika has basically been hit with such depression as a result that it's clear that you've basically killed her too and she'll choose to die in the burning Roundtable Hold. Then there's the matter of the "fates"/destiny being arbitrarily forced by the stars, hence the Starlight Shards being the key ingredients in Seluvis' potions that destroy autonomy and turn people into enslaved automatons. Whether Melina is the GEQ or could end up like her as a result of whatever's going on with her eye, that doesn't indicate anything good.Also, in pic related, the Frenzied Flame seems to draw a centipede cursemark in the sky during the Frenzied Flame ending. The Frenzied Flame might in some way be responsible for those arts and Destined Death in the first place.
>>287993205Maliketh is likely going insane from eating Deathroot. The rune might have genuinely been sealed back when his sword was intact, though it may have still had a deleterious effect on things like his supposed revivals as a Shadow (if a Two Fingers isn't just manually reviving a Shadow or somehow copying them instead). The wormfaces at Farum Azula are also far from where Maliketh is, and while Deathroot starts appearing at some point along the path to Maliketh, it thins up again on the final stretch to the boss room. Considering the Twinbird murals throughout Farum Azula and how Deathbirds and Death Rite Birds tend to be near Farum Azula debris in the Lands Between, the city might have always had some association with the Twinbird and its children, which eventually resulted in an outbreak. The Briar Greatshield also depicts a knight fighting skeletons, and if the location of the Regalia of Eochaid and the fact it's placed near some unique graves are any indication, the nation of Eochaid was located across the Limgrave-Caelid border. Eochaid may have had to fight off a Death Blight outbreak from Farum Azula back when the city was on the ground, or otherwise one that had reached whatever remained of the dragons' culture still on the ground in Caelid.Pic related, it's the design on the Briar Greatshield.
>>287993324My schizotheory about the centipede is that it isn't really a centipede, but half a sun.Links up to the eclipse shields, the death knight helmets, the eclipse shotel, and maybe that Sun Realm shield.Essentially where Ranni is the Moon, Godwyn was the Sun.But in death he and his symbol got corrupted. So you have half of a Sun being called vermin because people have lost sight of what it really was after his passing. And the eclipse, a dead sun, being used as the symbols of his followers.And that is why the Mending Rune of the Death Prince becomes an eclipsed Sun.
I will make Sellen my concubine.
>>287993626Sun iconography on his closest followers.Cut this in half, and you have a centipede.
>we didnt get more gloam eyed queen lore in the expansionyes im mad as fuck
>>287993324>she talks about the world needing "death indiscriminate" even though the world certainly seems to have that at the time she says that.What do you mean? People like Godwyn were exempt from a normal death, and could only be killed with knives imbued with the Rune of Death. That isn't exactly "indiscriminate", is it?
>>287993686What, didn't enjoy learning about "putrescence" instead, and fighting the Putrescent Knight instead of the GloamEyedKnight?
>>287993773destined death sounds metal as fuck instead we get the twink dlc
>>287993773I wonder whether that Putrescent Knight was meant to represent the True Radahn atop his horse, as opposed to the horseless Radahn we fight later.
rumors are saying the next fromsoft game is pirate souls
>>287993995'Rumors'I don't want to be a Debbie Downer, but I only trust 'leaks' on /v/ like I trust the Nigerian Princes in my e-mail inbox.Especially when one leak called it a game and another called it a DLC, and there've been different titles used.
>>287994041only reason im entertaining the thought is because project beast was leaked on here before
>>287993626>>287993667The issue is that is the fact that we do see a complete centipede sigil (pic related), and it's clearly not meant to be the sun. The eclipsed sun was tied to a specific Castle Sol ritual, which may have been learned from an ancient culture that interacted with the Twinbird. Considering the descriptions for the Branchsword talismans, the Deathbirds don't actually focus on any revivals, though they've convinced some people that they'd revive them to get them to become steroids in the Death Rite Birds' wings. Oddly enough, the Japanese text for Lhutel's Spirit Ashes says that her demi-god actually was revived, but they bafflingly don't appear at all in the history of the Lands Between beyond that point.Godwyn can't actually be associated with the sun, seeing as how the Golden Order had no such cultural interactions with the sun. Only the Sun Realm, a conquered nation, seemed to care about the sun, but judging from the lack of an incantation or anything like that, the sun didn't care about them. The design on the Death Knights' helmets is probably a result of Fia's plans to mend the cursemarks together; the Tarnished were once welcome at the Fortified Manor, and Godwyn's knights would have been in Leyndell, where the manor is located. We find Fia's dress and Lionel's armor in the same place in Leyndell to boot.
>>287993741The demi-gods can be killed with normal weaponry just fine by the Tarnished. Everyone else was always dying normally.>>287993773>>287993920The Putrescent Knight seems to have been around for quite some time, taking it upon itself to guard Trina. Miquella would have abandoned Trina well before the Tarnished actually reaches the Land of Shadow, and Mohg can be killed before Radahn, meaning that the Tarnished wouldn't have to spend weeks or months traversing the Lands Between to reach Mohg after the Radahn Festival.
>>287993995Isnt it supposed to be a turn based rpg?
>>287994394In-game Godrick, Morgott, and Rykard (who are all supposed to be killed before Maliketh) leave corpses behind and at least Morgott doesn't vanish until after you murk Maliketh.Radahn is body snatched.Basically, though, none of them die a true death until after Destined Death is unsealed.
>>287994394>The demi-gods can be killed with normal weaponry just fine by the Tarnished. Everyone else was always dying normally.The demigods had a form of immortality. Whether that's just "they don't age" or something more, Melina seems to think this is wrong, or rather the actions that led to this have caused catastrophic results/collateral damage.At any rate, I don't think she's some schizo talking about wanton murder.
>>287992132She's basically female Dung Eater.
>>287994644Morgott quite literally dies, his body just disintegrates into the guidance of Grace later, probably as a means for Marika to further drive Godfrey into conflict with the Tarnished (MC). Godrick's body doesn't ever disappear either, and Gostic seems to think Godrick has been fully killed right after Godrick is defeated. Also, Mohg seems to be fully killed for Miquella's plans too, even if Maliketh might still be alive at the time. Those are all "true deaths", they're not Those Who Live in Death. Going as far as a Black Knife would entails killing their very souls, which isn't what a standard "true death" is apparently supposed to do either.>>287994693The demi-gods had their "fated" deaths removed, but as we can observe of what the "fates" really are via the Liurnian characters, that's the stars (or some other major power) arbitrarily deciding to impose something on people. In that regard, "destined" death is just a decision to murder someone.
>>287994774shut up
>>287994912Anon, it says "immortality" right there. It's not just the stars deciding that someone is gonna murder them that's been done away with.
>>287994312The Golden Order didn't have any links to the dragons, either. But Godwyn created those and supported a cult dedicated to the dragons that Marika had to accept. He wasn't just a toady for his mother's empire, but had his own schemes, apparently. He was the hope and the future for the world that was cut down before his prime. The Sun, that was Eclipsed by the Moon. Goldmask and the Dung Eater show that sun iconography was known about in the Lands Between as a symbol of guidance. The spell sigil does stand out here, but I'd say that it is only incomplete compared to the full power Great Rune that Fia creates with Godwyn. I'm aware of the weirdness with Lhutel's ashes, and yeah. It is just a weird fucking thing to include and then never follow up on. Who knows what is going on there at all.
>>287994774>>287994993The Loving Cum Eater.
>>287994312Is there even a sun in the Lands Between?
You've heard of the midnight sun, now get ready for the midnight erdtree.
>>287995336>midnight erdtree.Scadutree? As an aside, why does that one even exist, again?
>>287995496I don't think there's a logical answer to that.More of a metaphor made real.
>>287983091>Pretty much the only way to interact with all the NPC quests in Elden Ring is to either do what they want or just ignore them.This is structural evidence for our tarnished being Miquella.
Well at least the rest of the overarching story is no mystery
>>287996156Not until we chat with the Dung Eater will all mysteries be solved.
>>287995086If they don't die normally on their own, then they're naturally immortal against things like aging. Destined Death would have to outright intervene and kill them, and thus it's just like the stars imposing a "fate" on someone.
>>287995126We're specifically told that Godwyn befriended Fortissax and the worship of dragons and use of lightning were later incorporated into the Golden Order as a result. We have no reason to believe that every nation conquered by the Golden Order was incorporated into itself, and the dragons had the added benefit of previously having the Elden Ring and thus being close to its figurative gold anyway (along with the dragons' overlap with literal gold). Godwyn had no great role in the Golden Order for peace and hope, just the one friendship with Fortissax, and the presence of Dragonbolt Grease at Enir-Ilim implies that even these dragon knights were part of the hornsent genocide. Godwyn has no role as the sun, and the story of the golden lineage is how Marika actually worsens each of them. This culminates in such pathetic losers as Godrick, who are feeble and have no good qualities while clinging to gaudy imagery and airs of being civilized.Goldmask and the Dung Eater are Tarnished from outside the Lands Between, and thus any sun iconography they have is from an outside culture (Goldmask's isn't even the sun). Goldmask is also seeking for greater answers both about and outside of the Golden Order, and the Dung Eater is fixated on something specifically shunned and kept out of the Golden Order. Both of what they seek end up being mending runes to boot, meaning the halo and sun imagery are ultimately the results of the seekers not yet discerning the true nature of what they seek anyway. The normal spell sigil isn't "incomplete", Fia is jury-rigging a mending rune by trying to basically weld two separate, incomplete sigils together, and considering what the incomplete sections are, she's basically creating a rune with the equivalent of two left arms.>>287995262Yes, it's easy to see in Limgrave and Liurnia, and it's occasionally visible during early mornings on Altus. It's especially apparent in Rauh. Pic related is the sun over Limgrave's dragon heart church.
>>287997159>the Dung Eater is fixated on something specifically shunned and kept out of the Golden OrderIsn't he just interested in corruption and defilement? I recall the japs have this thing called "kegare", which I think has to do with impurity or something. Dung Eater defiles souls presumably through doing something heinous with the soul balls stored in the ass. It keeps souls from returning to the Erdtree, and without the Erdtree's grace, the souls get further corrupted as new lives are born through the generations.Or something to that extent.
>>287996679>Destined Death would have to outright intervene and kill themRight, so if only Destined Death can kill them by intervening, how can a Tarnished shank a demigod?>Destined Death made the Tarnished do it!No, it can't do that, because it's outside the Elden Ring.
>>287995804If the open world is to blame for most the problems in the game, this "metaphor made real" shit is to blame for most of the problems in the lore. They cared more about their stupid metaphors than telling a good story, and fucked up both as a result. It's like those posts when some anon makes some metaphor, and then tries to keep it going all the way to the character limit, so that in the end it's just impossible to follow. Then, knowing his metaphor is overstretched, he replies to himself with more metaphors to shore it up, which only ends with him sounding completely contradictory and schizophrenic. Like the dog and his scadu.And as a result, all Elden Ring lore discussion is like that one Boomhauer meme.
>>287997250>Dung Eater defiles souls presumably through doing something heinous with the soul balls stored in the assIt just occurred to me, that might what bell bearings are meant to be.
>>287997250Omens are cast out of the Golden Order and even claimed to have no grace at all, despite the fact that a close examination of their eyes still shows some traces of gold. The DLC also reveals that the Omen curse stems from outside of the Golden Order as well, being placed by the Hornsent Grandam in spite. There's also a hornsent, the Lamenter, who seems quite close to what the Dung Eater's mentality and goal are.>>287997488Destined Death would probably be forced upon the demi-gods at a certain point if it was present in the Elden Ring, or otherwise would almost be administered like a tool in an attempt to kill them a la the Baleful Shadow being able to wield it. The latter case is closer to what the Tarnished does in deciding to kill the demi-gods out of free will, since the demi-gods don't appear to have ever been immune to being outright killed via violence.
>>287995496The Scadutree's reason for existing is, IMO, underwritten and needs more substance. As it stands, it seems to exist as a lynchpin for the seal on the Land of Shadow. If the Scadutree has a secondary purpose, it's a sort of way for Marika to filter out from the Erdtree anything that would make her true nature of a caustic, spiteful person readily apparent. The modern Erdtree has little to give, whereas the Scadutree is still flowing with power because it's the best reflection of Marika's true nature and real goals as a god. This also probably explains the Scadutree's design, as Marika is self-destructive and has the duality of Radagon.
>>287997667The demigods are called "immortal", and it "stems from" the removal of their fated deaths (i.e. Destined Death) from the Elden Ring. If that were to mean >they don't die of old age, so they're "immortal" in that sense, and Destined Death can't impose a fate of being murdered on them or breaking their necks by falling down the stairs, but a Tarnished can totally come and murder them of their own free will anywaythat would be just about the most retarded thing I ever heard.
>>287997872The Tarnished can quite literally kill the demi-gods in combat even with the Rune of Death sealed, and everyone refers to it as an actual death, even Enia when describing Remembrances, so it's not like the demi-gods had universal immortality. It seems to be more like the elven kind. That's also probably why the demi-gods further away from Marika's direct lineage or otherwise lacking in Grace, such as Godrick and Morgott, can become old.
>>287997544>If the open world is to blame for most the problems in the game, this "metaphor made real" shit is to blame for most of the problems in the lore. They cared more about their stupid metaphors than telling a good story, and fucked up both as a result. The grand idea was always to give the player some ideas and let their mind imagine the stories they wanted. Elden Ring took this idea to the breaking point, trying to simultaneously tell a story and provide the player with vague and abstruse information
>>287997544The switch to open world was a good move.
>>287990640>>287990659Aseo is doing a lot to earn Gideon coming for his ass in the endgame.
>>287996679why are the empyreans successor candidates for marika if she is immortal
>>287993070The mangaka took a break when SotE came out to play it and work out how to deal with it in his manga so SotE content is guaranteed.
>>287997159Not all were integrated, correct. In fact most were met with derision and repression, like the snake cult of Gelmir or the culture of Zamor.The dragons being integrated into positions of power and respect and co-worship with Marika herself, was the product of Godwyn. The guy was a big deal and didn't just act as his mother's murderbot. Marika has no reason to like the dragons and a lot of reason to want them killed or enslaved as much as she did every other powerful race that opposed her empire. Permission for a dragon cult could only come at the behest of Godwyn. My view with Godwyn is to take the clear inspiration from GRRM seriously and compare him to characters like Rhaegar Targaryean from ASOIF. Where he was the golden boy that was killed by someone that was reasonably justified in their rebellion, but whose death basically doomed the world to crises. His friendship with a rival race, and his wide respect from those like Morgott, Miquella, his former knights, wet nurse, etc., play into that.
>>287997809>The modern Erdtree has little to give, whereas the Scadutree is still flowing with power because it's the best reflection of Marika's true nature and real goals as a godThe thing is that the Marika/Miquella parallels drive home that Marika started off downright saintly and got worse with every step on the path.
>>287993145nice armpit
>>288000062Miquellas was doomed the moment that he removed his capacity to love, but not his capacity to want or to hate.
>>287999787Also he's basically just Baldur mixed with Nidhogg after he gets buried at the roots.
>>287990721manga nepheli is, objectively, the best girl
Destined Death this, Gloam-eyed that, I wanted to go to the Moon.
>>288000519You can't, that's where Ranni stashed her great rune.
>>287998114>Elden Ring took this idea to the breaking point, trying to simultaneously tell a story and provide the player with vague and abstruse informationSekiro did that just fine, as did Bloodborne, and arguably the first three Souls games, or at least Demon's and Dark 1. Elden Ring isn't doing anything special with it's lore and story, it just fucked it up.
>>288000608All the more reason to go there.
>>288000626Bloodborne could rely on literal dream logic to carry a lot of the weird stuff. Elden Ring however, more than the other games, relies on you both interpreting things literally and non-literally at the same time in a way that adds a level of surreality to it all. Makes it hard to understand. Dark Souls of course had mythologization and not everything characters said was literally true. But it also could be taken pretty much straight and you'd get the point. There was metaphor to it, but the metaphor was more about the message of the work as a whole rather than specific elements in it. DS2 had more dealing with implications and references over straight sequences of events, but it wasn't that tricky. DS3 went back to telling a pretty straight forwards story. Elden Ring on the other hand deals a lot more with stuff that has literal and metaphorical meanings at the same time and these aren't always totally aligned. I think the debates about the basic events of the story are stronger for Elden Ring than the previous Souls games because of that.
>>287994414i wish
>>287999787Godwyn managed to make a friend, but he otherwise doesn't seem to have had any major role in the Lands Between. No one laments that the Shattering wouldn't have happened without Godwyn there, no one notes that he was known for choosing peace in people's day-to-day lives. Heck, the friendship with Fortissax probably helped Marika get extra info on the previous order that had the Elden Ring, akin to Radagon getting info on Liurnia's studies of the universe. I believe that Godwyn is meant to be a red herring of sorts, someone initially thought to be a Rhaegar Targaryean figure and a beloved Baldr, only for us to learn how little Marika truly cares about people and how the golden lineage was quickly in steep decline, with its real greatness tied to the unrestrained wildman roots and how they can grow into actual wisdom and civility, not the Golden Order's farce.>>288000062The moment Marika used the Gate of "Divinity" (that thing is demonic) was the moment she lost anything about her that could be called saintly. Probably all of the Empyreans lose their crucial humanity, even Ranni in light of Miquella in the DLC and their similarities. That thing is a behelit.
>>288000914Miquella gave up everything that made him saintly before using the Gate, presumably as a prerequisite for doing so. I don’t think Marika had to do that, and Ranni’s straight out.
>>288000754>Bloodborne could rely on literal dream logic to carry a lot of the weird stuff. Because of fundamental choices they made regarding the story and setting. It only "gets" to do that because of good story telling. If it was all bullshit, dream logic wouldn't be a satisfying explanation like it is now. And all the weird stuff is essentially incidental. The story works on the most basic level of, "you signed a contract, now you have a job to do". Elden Ring has no story without the weird stuff: It is 99% weird stuff, and 9/10 dentists agree, the weird stuff mostly sucks. >DS2 had more dealing with implications and references over straight sequences of eventsIt also had a basic level underlying story, of "you're sick and looking for the cure".>Elden Ring on the other hand deals a lot more with stuff that has literal and metaphorical meanings at the same time and these aren't always totally aligned. This is another way of saying they neglected the literal interpretation, and I'm saying that, assuming it was one, was a fundamentally bad decision. Though they aren't the first to make it, and it could have been saved if they kept the metaphor tight, like in the past.>>287999787>My view with Godwyn is to take the clear inspiration from GRRM seriously and compare him to characters like Rhaegar Targaryean from ASOIF.You'd think it'd be the other way around, but it really does seem that taking the GRRMlore over the Fromlore is the only way to make sense of the setting.
>>288001045The cleansing chamber at Enir-Ilim actually appears to be a massive brazier in a room that's so full of ash that it reaches the top of said brazier. It almost seems like the Empyrean meant to use the gate would burn in some way, possibly on the level of their soul, to be "purified" to use the gate. This means that Marika would have likely devastated her own morality much like Miquella incidentally did, but as part of a ritual rather than Miquella's incidental journey of discarding every part of himself that recognized using the gate was a bad idea. Considering how close Miquella's godhood is to Ranni's modern state and their curiously similar words, Ranni herself might have sought godhood through some esoteric means courtesy of the Dark Moon, possibly on the moon itself, thus explaining the seeming rune arc pattern it has. The DLC also implies that godhood must come before an Empyrean can wield the Elden Ring, rather than wielding the Elden Ring itself transforming the Empyrean into a god. Shifting back to how to use the gate, Marika seems to be pulling some mystical golden strands out of a sack filled with human remains in the DLC Story Trailer, so that's probably an extra behelit-style moment for her as well.
>>288001272>rather than Miquella's incidental journey of discarding every part of himself that recognized using the gate was a bad ideaIs that what it was? >Considering how close Miquella's godhood is to Ranni's modern state and their curiously similar words, Ranni herself might have sought godhood through some esoteric means courtesy of the Dark Moon, possibly on the moon itself, thus explaining the seeming rune arc pattern it has.What words?And fuck, man, now I want to go to the moon even more.
>>288001312Miquella appears to initially be maiming his soul in despair. It's only when he starts discarding key parts of his character that he's building up to using the gate, and Trina is aware of this fact. As for the words in question, Miquella says this for his grab attack:>I promise you. A thousand year voyage guided by compassion.This line seems to directly mirror Ranni's dialogue in the Age of Stars ending, the lines in question being:>I do solemnly swear. To every living being, and every living soul. Now cometh the age of the stars. A thousand year voyage under the wisdom of the Moon.Miquella's promise in this case is right to the Tarnished, and his age hasn't started yet, so the dialogue isn't as wordy, but it's otherwise a direct parallel to what Ranni says. Nothing suggests that they're both quoting some well-known divine words, and these aren't exactly every-day phrases they're saying either. There appears to be an intentional overlap, as though something about the nature of godhood and whatever force causes an Empyrean to become a god is providing these words.If Miquella lands a second grab attack with the first one's sigil not having been disspelled, he has the Tarnished bow to him in the same way they bow to Ranni in her ending. Miquella then reaches out to them like she did and says "let us go together", her own words in that ending, to boot. Then there's the matter of Miquella's god form having four arms (though they're not all finished forming yet), as though Ranni's four arms might now have greater significance than just using a combat mannequin as a base. Enir-Ilim is also constantly lit by something seemingly presenting itself as the sun, akin to what's going on with the Moonlight Altar as well.If Miquella's ascent to godhood is mired in madness and will only bring harm, he thematically managed to drag Ranni down with him, though the base game had some hints too.
>>288000914The Two Fingers probably like corrupted Gods as they're easier to manage and lead by the nose by playing to their impulses than ones that are too good inside. Order often requires the use of brutal force to maintain. If a pacificistic Empyrean became God, then they potentially wouldn't be willing to kill thousands to keep their Order ascendant over all else.
>>288001272I took the Cleansing Chamber to be closer to that one weird sandy room in STALKER. Where its really your final crossing point as you enter the truly supernatural and surreal.
>>288001958We don't even actually know if the Two Fingers can truly control their respective Empyreans. Ranni certainly seems to think that's possible, yet one would think that the Two Fingers would have long since used those powers on Marika if that were the case. It's also curious why the body would be able to be controlled but not the soul. Then there's the matter of the slain Two Fingers found at the various Divine Towers, as though the Fingerslayer Blade isn't actually necessary to kill them. Whatever is guiding Ranni's decisions regarding the Two Fingers, likely the Dark Moon, I feel it hasn't been entirely honest with her.>>288002036In the case of the Cleansing Chamber, I feel that it's more like a gruesome sacrifice ground where the Empyrean's soul is burned of most of its attributes to create the ash in question. Leda and co. are basically fighting on the literal ashes of any hope for Miquella to truly create a good world. Belurat and Enir-Ilim also have several boxes of similar ashes throughout each of them, using them seemingly for religious purposes. While a lot of the sand in Enir-Ilim was probably blood at some point to water the horrifying human-infused trees before using the gate changed it, there's enough ash in candle boxes at the tower and in the city below to suggest that the ashes and sand also had a place in hornsent society pre-Marika. Then there's the matter of the Revered Spirit Ashes that supposedly gather in the palms of the "tutelary deities", though it's more likely that the deceased hornsent ascetics are crumbling into those ashes.
>>287990601Who agreed to let the head retard head this investigation?
>>287990640He has a point...
>>287990686GIDEONBROS, WE'RE SO BACK
>>288001939Interesting. I wouldn’t go so far as to say damning, but interesting.
>>287993043When you let the Three Fingers grab you, you become the avatar of an Outer God with enough firepower to set it aflame.
>>287990790Aseo has become smart!
>muh gloomed eye queen>muh eclipse and Godywn of death The frenzied forest could have been the most terrifying thing in all gaming period and they wasted it. The build up was scarier than anything that FNAF Outlast Silent Hill could made and they wasted it.
>>287990640>drawing extra attention to the gumshoe joke and the fact that no one else knows what that means>Aseo didn't know shit about the Lands Between when he arrived>doesn't have memories of before>baseball bat clubAt this point I'm fully convinced the twist at the end is going to be that he's isekai'd.
>>287990867>armored full grown man with combat experience vs waifish prostitute How'd Fia do it? Is D low-key a huge bitch? Even if he can't fight back due to the sanctuary, he should have been able to defend himself.
>>287990553My favorite character is Zanzibart..
>>288003828Fia's Mist is great for assassinations and probably loopholed the otherwise hardcoded limits on aggression in the hold.
>>287990659that's a mistranslation, it's not secret room, it's locked room mystery as in the classical detective trope
>>288002896I feel that the Abyss is actually a great region on a first playthrough, provided that you don't get to Midra's Manse ASAP. The manse itself needed to be bigger though, but I did like what they did with the level design and its story.
>>288003828>>288004193Fia cursed the Weathered Dagger and likely made it activate like a trap. You can already see traces of the Death Blight on and in the Weathered Dagger. Circumventing the influence of the Roundtable Hold is easy enough considering that Alberich and Ensha can do it, and while Gideon might be the person orchestrating those cases, considering Gideon's real goal, he's probably helping Fia in that regard too, even if she doesn't realize it.
>>288003828the girls in this manga is stronger than the guys
>>288002298I wonder if the others just died of old age, but the timeline for it would be many times longer than what even Ranni could conceptualize.
>>288002457I have it on good word that his INT was hand tuned by the most beautiful and clever woman in the whole world.
>>288002896It was a decent set piece, but I think it needed more commitment to the linear action challenge where they'd basically give up the open world style totally. As-is, it was neither fish nor fowl. Too open to be a proper gauntlet, not open enough otherwise. You can't do stealth and open world together. MGS5 proved that long ago.
>>288006807Considering Enia and Metyr, the Two Fingers probably don't die of old age.>>288007128I think the Abyss could have benefited from a kind of Frenzy event where the goats that build frenzy by baying could slowly approach the player from throughout the forest and then intentionally start baying to try to kill them with madness.
>>287999628Not related to the Destined Death discourse, but I am pretty sure the Empyreans were possible successors in case Marika fucked up and needed to be replaced with someone more loyal, (a thing that eventually happened), not in case she died of old age. This would also double as another way to control Marika, because she knew that she wasn't unreplaceable
>>287999628It was seemingly always understood that Marika would be replaced one day. Miquella was probably the favored candidate and seemingly had the consent of Radagon to build his new capital city in Elphael in preparation for the day in the future he'd take power. Marika seemingly intended to shatter the Elden Ring from back when she was banishing Godfrey (telling him that he'd one day return to her side even back then). So I don't think she ever planned to give up Godhood freely. But Radagon seemed to accept that one day he'd be replaced by a new Lord. It wasn't until the Shattering that he locked everything down out of spite.
>>288007794I sort of assumed that radagon was something the greater will inflicted marika with
>>288007794Radagon didn't give Miquella consent for his goals in Elphael, Radagon tried to keep Miquella invested in the Golden Order (per the description of Radagon's Rings of Light). Miquella created Elphael to try creating a haven for the marginalized and discriminated against. Miquella initially didn't want to be a god with an order at all. Gideon notes that Marika felt sorrow when Miquella was abducted from the Haligtree cocoon, but at that point she was probably bitter that a method that could result in someone eventually fighting and killing the Elden Beast was cut off. Marika was apparently thinking of a civil war and the Tarnished plan long in advance, even preparing the Finger Maidens to burn and the warp to Farum Azula to go kill Maliketh. Melina likely was burned the first time as a test run for using the Forge to burn a path through the Erdtree, and the Finger Maidens being able to burn for that is likely derived from Melina.
>>288007825I'm like Goldmask in that I really can't tell what to make of Radagon. The name comes from a play called A Looking Glass for London. Where the character of Radagon is a former peasant that managed to work his way up to vassal kinghood by being a sophist and flatterer to an Emperor while trying to burn every bridge he had with his past to cover up his origins. The character in the play had a scientific mind who refused to recognize divine intervention and had a heartless view of love and bonds as mere sources of power and pleasure. Eventually his jilted and abandoned mother curses him and hellfire consumes Radagon. Only for it to be ironically explained away with fake science by some dumb courtiers that are the same type of replaceable sophist he was. That does connect up to the Radagon in the game in some notable ways. But there are other aspects in the game like Radagon's seeming religious extremism and true faith that don't link. He tried to turn faith into a science without losing dedication to either. And he seemed to genuinely care for his family to some extent rather than being purely mercenary about love.Fromsoft always likes to take inspirations and give them a slight twist from the source. The issue here being that we just don't know enough about Radagon to know where that twist would start and end. >>288007867 While it seems Radagon failed to keep Miquella aligned with his Fundamentalism, Elphael wasn't built in secret and clearly existed before the Shattering. If Radagon wanted to, he'd have started a crusade against Miquella's new heresy if it bothered him. There appears to be consent to Miquella starting a new path to some extent. As long as it was under the general umbrella of the Golden Order framework (Miquella seems to follow that even into the DLC). Marika probably didn't care that much. She grew disillusioned with everything much earlier than most characters in the game seem to understand.
>>288008015And of course, the big difference between Radagon in the play and Radagon in the game is the relationship between him and the Emperor. Where instead of being a flatterer and supporter who tried to use flowery language to stay in the good graces of the Emperor of the world, Radagon and Marika became two souls sharing a body that fought for control over the whole and who had different goals for the world. Game Radagon appears to have gotten some substantial level of divine authority and recognition that the play Radagon never did. The issue is where did Radagon even come from, and the game stays insanely vague about that. If he was always half of Marika, we can throw out most of the play as just being vague inspiration. If he was absorbed into her because of his potential (whether it was Marika or the Two Fingers that recognized it), then that makes things more like the play. Its just a mystery box.
>>288008015Marika is likely the one who approved of Elphael. Even if she didn't actually like any of the marginalized groups Miquella wanted to help, having Elphael exist and see some success would ultimately help in orchestrating the kind of civil war Marika thought could eventually result in someone growing strong enough to kill the Elden Beast when forced to try mending the Elden Ring or otherwise end the Golden Order.>>288008093I feel that Elden Ring Radagon was disingenuous to Rennala and his children with her, and his main goal was being accepted back into Marika and regaining his core sense of self that way. The "echo" of Marika at the Minor Erdtree Church reveals that Marika created Golden Order Fundamentalism, so Radagon was following her orders as a result of that. Radagon may have only cared for Miquella as a child born in the Golden Order and without the red hair he despised, but even there it's not apparent just how genuine Radagon's care may have been. Miquella gifted him two incantations as presents, but we also know that Miquella initially was exceptionally kind.Another thing about Radagon is that he probably senses that Marika would rather have him not exist. They seem to have had separate bodies at one point (the Erdtree Avatar at the Mountaintops of the Giants displays such a technique, so we know it's possible), but close to the start of the Shattering, it seems that Marika began reassimilating Radagon to some extent. A Tarnished becoming the next Elden Lord might also necessitate killing Radagon, especially if the Tarnished is to take the throne solely through violence in that regard, and being valued enough as Elden Lord by the Elden Beast might be the sole reason Radagon is even able to stay alive by that point regardless.
>>288008427I think Marika's research into the Golden Order and Radagon's research into the Golden Order went different directions and caused a loss of faith for one and a deepening of faith for the other. Like how some people read the Bible and never go to church again because they find it offensive or ridiculous, and others read it and start finding sacred prophetic information in every line. She paved the way for later Fundamentalism but didn't start it, per say. Marika grew to hate the Golden Order and then when she either was forced to/chose to banish Godfrey concocted a scheme to one day revive him and have him tear down the walls and rescue her from her prison. Radagon's research led to Fundamentalism as it exists in the game. Where he applied Carian sorcery frameworks to the mechanics of the Golden Order and created a totally new type of intellectualism. And this inspired a deeper fanaticism from him and his followers. Like early Catholicism/Eastern Orthodoxy and the Church Fathers. It is absolutely possible that game Radagon married Rennala purely to learn her sorcery to help boost Marika's dynasty (being literally a cuckoo bird leaving an egg behind). But I'd say that Marika herself does not appear to be involved in the creation of any Fundamentalist incantations, and instead, all of her incantations fall into the Erdtree incantation school and involve no INT use. I mean it definitely fits and makes logical sense, but then all of Radagon's children were apparently well cared for, and the details of Marika obviously making use of what she'd stolen doesn't come together for me. Honestly, I think the assimilation goes the other way. Where Radagon is trying to assimilate Marika and she's fighting for her own independence.
>>287990842Where does she get that cursemark. Did D have it?>>288006619Why would Gideon help Fia?
>>288008568>and she's fighting for her own independence.seeing as she destroys everything for her own betterment i agree. Radagon if anything was trying to hold together everything as it was falling apart(because of Marika). Marika is as much a parasite as the elden beast and erdtree
>>288008093Radagon was sent out from Marika, then reabsorbed because of his potential. He didn't know he was part of Marika until she sent for him. Not unlike Millicent in the cut end to her quest.
I H A T E Ranni. Blue little cunt.
>>288008568Radagon doesn't even use Golden Order Fundamentalism in his boss fight, to him it all seemed to be a means to an end to get closer to his source self, Marika. Law of Causality is arguably a Marika incantation, though considering that Law of Regression can reveal Radagon's secret he wants to hide (or is forced to hide) yet it's still in the Golden Order Principia as though to mock him, Marika might have had a hand in that incantation as well, exposing or otherwise tormenting Radagon if she made him hide his secret. Marika would also be aware of the hornsent's sorceries incantations, and possibly the deeper nature of Metyr as well, and thus that sorcery and incantations ultimately share the same root. Golden Order Fundamentalism might be a veneer of "discovering" something so as to further research something that was already in part known. As for Radagon's children, I feel that the Carian children were cared for mainly during the time when Radagon was married to Rennala, and afterward they were already adults and had their separate nation to live in. Making them "honorary" demi-gods, with no knowledge of their actual demi-god status, was possibly a political concession since Marika didn't have everything prepared for the war yet, but clearly the wrath and resentment of the children already existed and was powerful at the time, and Marika sought to develop it further. Marika seems to always consider Radagon pathetic, and not even Miriel can point to why on earth he'd be qualified to be Elden Lord or what he ever did for people.>>288008573Tarnished infighting in general would help Gideon's goal. Fia's dialogue implies D1 had the cursemark, but killing him at Summonwater doesn't result in acquiring it, so Fia perhaps had it already and just wanted D1 killed. The cursemark was likely carved out of Godwyn's body by D2, which ruined the dagger, and then someone (probably Lionel) stole both or found them abandoned somewhere.
>>288008741>The cursemark was likely carved out of Godwyn's bodyFor what purpose?
>>288008724>Blue little cunt.ToT
>>288008777Probably an attempt to see if that would stop the Death Blight pandemic and disspell the curse on Godwyn's body.
>>288008894Why doesn't he try feeding it to the Beast Clergy? I guess we're supposed to assume he did, but he wouldn't eat it. Considering Fia ends up going to Godwyn anyway, I wish we were the ones that carved it out of Godwyn, and then we could choose to feed it to Gurranq or give it to Fia. Same with the one we get from Ranni. Maybe Gurranq could have given us another Mending Rune. Age of Beasts ending would have been Kino.The knife could simply any old knife D2 left behind, or maybe have it so he kills someone that mattered to Fia, like some unnamed tarnished that helped her before us.
>>288008741>Radagon doesn't even use Golden Order Fundamentalism in his boss fightTo be fair, it is only arguably Radagon in that fight, and more likely the Elden Beast. The poor useless bastard couldn't even die on his own terms but was puppeted the entire time, in my mind. I do think Golden Order Fundamentalism did discover some real truths about how the Greater Will's systems function that did justify its existence beyond just being a bunch of navel-gazing. Even if it missed some fundamental truths along the way. IMO, I personally subscribe to a perspective that sorcery power (INT) is sourced in faith in the cosmic, and incantation power (FTH) is sourced in faith in the earthly or cthonic. Like Ranni and Rennala's moons are powered by their faith in the Moon gods, and are not the results of intellectual pursuits. Instead, more the product of faith based enlightenment in the stars and space. Same with Ymir's incantations that are all about faith in the cosmic powers above. But the other way, spells derived from the intellectual pursuits of the Hornsent get you incantations that call for FTH, because they're reaching for the Crucible and very cthonic ideas.
So was Radagon the male aspect of Marika she removed from herself? Or was he separate person, maybe a homunculus, that merged with Marika as some kind of ritual? Just having that question answered would lead to a more understanding of what we saw at the end.
>>288009107*ymir's sorceries slip up
>>288009044The process was probably so traumatizing and dangerous for D2 (remember, even just being near the Godwyn growth at Stormveil Death Blighted Rogier) that he went mad and basically lost consciousness, causing D1 to become the active D. Interesting idea with feeding the cursemarks to Gurranq, but the point of Gurranq's quest is that the method of what he's doing clearly won't work and he isn't getting nearly enough either.>>288009107If it was solely the Elden Beast fighting by then, it probably wouldn't have even bothered shifting to Radagon.>>288009146It's unknown. She might have always had a second self as an Empyrean, she might have been thrown in a hornsent torture jar with at least one other, or she invented Radagon on the spot to fulfill the requirements for using the Gate of Divinity, and thus Radagon has always been nothing more than a tool for her.
>>288009274Yeah, but eating the cursemark itself is different from eating deathroot, and he must have gotten the idea from somewhere. Rather than his plan (if you can call it that) being fundamentally flawed, it would make more sense if he was eating the wrong thing. Weeding deathroot must be doing something, it just seems like it isn't sustainable. It's driving him mad, and there's more of it than one beast can eat, and there always will be more of it so long as Godwyn isn't taken care of.I'm never going to bother making a mod, but if I ever did, giving Gurranq an actual quest with a Mending Rune ending would be high up on the list of things to do.
>>288009503The separated cursemarks don't seem to do anything in a vacuum, judging from the fact that there's no Death Blight growing from Ranni's body, though perhaps a cursemark still being on Godwyn's then-living body is what allowed the outbreak to form. Ranni's soul is close to the same shade as Fia's enslaved simps and the "puppets", so Ranni herself might not have made it out entirely unscathed as a soul, but clearly not as bad as Godwyn's body. If Maliketh ate the Deathroot he might just outright kill himself, or otherwise become some kind of horrid zombie since neither cursemark forms a proper centipede sigil. It's basically two top halves of a sigil.
>>288009632Or, you know, something cool could happen for a change.
>>288010063Gurranq goes insane without fixing anything with his Deathroot plan and Fia creates a zombie apocalypse rune that not even the undead seem to want. It's clear that combining the two certainly wouldn't create "something cool", just a different kind of apocalypse.
>>287990815Damn it, just let my boy get a single win!
>>288010460It would be cool if Gurranq's quest was a real quest and had a proper ending, and if you could engage with Fia's quest in more than one way. >a different kind of apocalypse.The Age of Beasts. Deathblight is cured without restoring the Rune of Death, but everybody devolves into beasts. You get to be Lord of Beasts.
>>287990842>>287990867>Gideon was rightI refuse to give him the credit for this.
>>288011221Gideon is always right.
>>287993686Context clues alone are enough to tell that it's Meli-Meli. The only thing unclear is why she went to war with her mom or started a tyrannical regime.
>>288006933Maybe if she stopped charging him 10% every ten hours, he'd actually call her that.
>>288011452Fortunately, it's explained in the manga .
>>288010667Why would that devolve people into beasts? Plus, there apparently already was such a primitive age back when the dragons had the Elden Ring.
>>288011750He'll call her that or it'll be 15% every 5 hours.
>>288011452Why wouldn't you? What better challenge could exist?
Tell me it is not over...
>>287990553Longer dump today, so I'm starting a little early to avoid interruptions. This dump will be untranslated, but the content is pretty obvious.
At least it totally isn't a massive pain in the ass to find her again!!No horrible duo bosses or annoying platforming necessary, for sure.
These guys are pretty cool.
I guess Morgott looks out for his students.
You've done worse.
It would have been cool if wearing this gear automatically triggered phase 2 for Morgott and Mohg.
Such a fun weapon.
Poor girl.
This fooled me on my first run.
Jumpscare
boomp
Whoops, sorry about the delay.
Its over....
Gideon is trying hard to look cool here.
This is someone's wife, I know it.
Thanks for the dump, tho i'm not sure how much interest there will be for an untranslated dump.
Nice new backseat driver.
New and improved. >>288015228Its a way to pass the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHi6LCx6Lx8
Its hurts so good.
The protagonist has arrived.The dragon fucker has arrived. The cover art man has arrived.
Where's the fun in a single-edged sword?
I wish I could decipher these arcane glyphs.
Aseo needs to take a trip and get the Spiralhorn tryhard Shield.
Runemogging the old timers.
The Queen is back.
The whole gang is here!
>>288015038Yes, mine.
The good old days.
>>288015965Nice portable wife.
Can you really blame the bat for stealing Rya like that?
Thats a big lizard.
RIP
Wow, who let this sword have two OP skills?
A rare actual death.
>>288013899my wife on the cover>>288014023here's me hoping they'll give this horse as Torrent's skin in the Tarnished edition, so we could fully cosplay Night Cavalry>>288014079Morwho? I only see Margit, leader of the Night Cavalryman, the nice boomer who complain about zoomer generation yet still give out useful advices
That'll be all for now. I hope it was a good sneak peak for everyone that stuck around. Have a good one. Go play some games. To leave things off, Team Chaos or Team Boring?Feel free to burn the thread posting whatever you want, otherwise.
>>287993954What a little moon goober that Ranni is
>>288015038>you will never help your paraplegic homunculus wife gain the ability to get pregnantAlso there's fun tech if you summon her near the big wolves.
>>288016849the more I live in this world, the more chaos ending make sense.Come to think about it, I heard the Elden Ring movie is coming out in 2028, the manga should be completed by then, it would be nice to have another storytime at that point.
>>288012057Isn't that what's happening to Gurranq mentally? It's an extension of that. It's also works as a sort of irony: The only way for people to live without death is to stop being people.>Plus, there apparently already was such a primitive age back when the dragons had the Elden Ring.Beasts are not dragons, and even if you want to call them both primitive, then it's a return form in accordance with the Law of Regression, or else another trough in some endless oscillation.>>288014559In my current play through, Ensha almost killed me. I got by on the skin of my teeth. I was confused at how little damage I was doing, until I went to roll and realized my Great Rune had been deactivated for the fight, so I had to quickly hard swap swords without any set up. It was pretty intense.
>>288017907>the manga should be completed by thenProbably if he skips or rushes through SOTE, otherwise no way.
>>288016849Uh, thanks. I can't read it, but I appreciate the work.
>>288018089I think he can wrap it up in 2 years, he always skip the dungeon exploration, it usually takes Aseo just 1 or 2 chapter to reach the boss. As of the latest chapter, he's already inside Leyndell, made it as far as the Fortinfied Manor. So only the Mountaintop, Haligtree and Farum Azula left before the DLC, and the closer Aseo is to the end of the base game, the fewer quest and NPCs interactions there are, i.e. fewer story to tell
>>288014302he can actually use the skill, I guess Melina pumped his INT and FTH to at least 24 each, nevermind spreading his stats a bit too thin
>>288017774Kino!>>288016849Thanks, Op. It would be funny if Aseo gets out of his dept by accepting the Frenzied Flame, but then spends the rest of the manga trying to cure it because he's actually a huge bitch and does not want to become Lord of Frenzied Flame.>>288017907That would be nice.
>>288017907If he does the DLC, it'll take years more.
>>288021049He could do the DLC as a spin off manga.
>>288016246Seeing Patches give a fuck about anyone other than himself is both confusing and worrying
>>287990721indeed
>>288022339It's cute. I like the ship. It just werks.
>>288022339>>288023419Tanith is an old MILF, Patches has to prove his daddy game to get up in her panties.
