>MAL: Frieren is the best fucking anime EVER MADE!!!!>the "best anime ever made" in question:
yes
No one gives a shit about MAL except you, funnyschizo
MAL is also full of tranny retards who started watching anime during covid.
>>288027070It's on a similar level to FMA:B, both which are obviously miles ahead of the awful OG FMA.
>>288027070First time I saw a family guy style cutaway gag in anime, yes I dont watch much anime, Im a huge faggot etc..
What was the point of season 2
The reason why shows like Frieren or FMAB are praised so much is because they lack glaring flaws and most people rate anime defensively.
i literally laughed out loud
>>288027070t. contrarian faggot
>>288027070Frieren is considered better than all of the following:Steel Ball Run: JoJo no Kimyou na BoukenNeon Genesis EvangelionCowboy BebopShoujo Kakumei UtenaMahou Shoujo MadokaMagicaTengen Toppa Gurren LagannMushishiFLCLSerial Experiments LainSuzumiya Haruhi no YuuutsuYojouhan Shinwa TaikeiBaccano!Haibane RenmeiGinga Eiyuu DensetsuMobile Suit GundamSteins;GateKoukaku Kidoutai: Stand Alone ComplexBakemonogatariHunter x HunterNHK ni Youkoso!Koukyoushihen Eureka SevenPrincess TutuKino no Tabi: The Beautiful WorldTenkuu no EscaflowneTrigunK-On!NichijouUchuu Senkan YamatoCardcaptor SakuraHachimitsu to CloverKenpuu Denki BerserkOokami to KoushinryouPlanetesYuuYuuHakushoMawaru PenguindrumSamurai ChamplooHyoukaAzumanga DaiohBishoujo Senshi Sailor MoonFate/ZeroMacrossGankutsuouDragon BallShirobakoMousou DairininKatanagatariKyousou Giga (TV)Aria the OriginationTop wo Nerae! GunbusterVersailles no Bara That's embarrassing.
>>288027070cute and funny
>season 2 has been over for almost 2 months>still near daily seethe threadsgive it a rest man
>>288027631>new thing isn't allowed to be better than old thing because nostalgiacome on anon
>>288027666The new thing is Frieren so of course it's not better than any of those.
>>288027070I hate that this garbage took off while Elaina is stuck in obscurity
>>288027070it is
>>288027070Kys
op is a demon btw
S2 ripped the mask of this godawful show, I swear, most of its popularity must be collective hivemind delusion or something.The three main characters are some of the dullest, most boring, most superficial, and braindead people ever.The "novel" move of giving demons no actual motives and just make being evil their nature is just the writer being lazy and incompetent.The worldbuilding is superficial and boring, there is literally nothing that makes this fantasy world stand out among every other generic fantasy world.No, using German words as character names is not special, it's just the writer being too lazy and incompetent to come up with actual names again.Frieren is mediocre and hollow fantasy slop masquerading as something deep and meaningful but ultimatively failing to fulfill its promise.
>>288028011what the fuck kind of autistic faggot even types like this?
>>288027620Does this show have a habit of killing off cute girls.
>>288027631Embarrassing for all that lame ass old unc shit lmfao
>>288027070I want to fuck Frieren while shes having a tantrum
>>288027631All of these shows are better then Frieren because I say so.
>made funny image edit>saw first episode of frieren minutes later>completely related>close video player>delete frieren from hddNothing in my life makes conventional sense, maybe planet Earth is eternally cursed, you are just seen it now too>planning to make some acecombat jokes>see this>>288027615>https://youtu.be/w9pltWUCZTk>it keeps happeningNyaaa!, I am just a cute cat! That consumes large quantities of sweets and loves cold showers!
>>288027530This. I remember thinking to myself (I forgot which anime was it about)>there are no errors yet it is so boringAnd then I stopped looking for flaws and started thinking about the things I liked from the anime instead instead
>>288027070
>>288027070>MAL: Dandadan is the best fucking anime EVER MADE!!!!>the "best anime ever made" in question:
>>288027631Is it good or bad if I only know a few of these?
>>288027070Utena is allowed to have elephants but Frieren isn't allowed to throw a little tantrum?
>>288027070>>288027631>>288028011
>>288029625Cared enough to reply.
>>288027476To develop Stark as a character.
>>288027631It'd be embarrassing if nothing ever surpassed those. Luckily, Frieren has. I'm encouraged by the fact that the industry continues to raise the bar.
>>288027631Hey you actually removed Usagi Drop from the list, good job.
>>288027070Is this funnyschizo 2.0?
>>288027070Is this the most 'bare minimum' series?>art becomes more and more lifeless>even that anniversary special where other artists drew Frieren proves how much Tsukasa sucks at drawing expressions>completely makes Himmel look like a fraud by how many conveniences the story kept handing to me>which ends up making Frieren's regret of not valuing her journey with him even more wothless>'I ACTUALLY HID MY AURA BETTER THAN YOU' same formula>stark and fern feels just as much nobodies like the rest of the castI still can't believe I gave the manga a second chance when the anime got announced
>>288029937>To develop Stark as a character.And what new things we learn about Stark in S2? That he sees Frieren instead of Fern as the girl he would like to fuck enough to notice changes in her appearance? Certainly. That he would prefer to protect strangers he met yesterday rather than the team he traveled with for years, for reasons which were logical, and thus illustrated lack of emotional connection? Sure. But we all know that none of this will go anywhere, and therefore these tidbits might as well not exist.
FMAoids still malding
>>288027530>lack glaring flawsI dropped Frieren 10 minutes in because its writing was pants-pissingly retarded and fell apart under minimal critical scrutiny.Frieren is unironic degenerate art. Its fanbase is made of drooling cretins that aren't capable of critical thought.Naruto and Bleach are Dostoevsky compared to slop like Frieren.
>>288030827post the 'critical scrutiny' then
>>288030827>he didn't have the attention span for one episode (1/3 of the premier)
>>288029937And Fern.
>>288030919Again, what new things we learn about Fern in S2? That she is not actually skilled in battle if not given the luxury of single specific scenario and had to be constantly saved in fights against nameless fodder? That she only pretended to be nice to people at times back in S1, and dropped the act over time?
It was to develop his POWERLEVEL. How will Stark become stronk with no fighting experience? There's bound to be strong foes in the journey up north. That's why he shows off. by fighting a demon. With. Four blades.The demon has four fucking blades. Damn.
>>288027631i recommend not adding sailor moon and dragon ball so the bait looks less noticeable
>>288027070With how absolutely mindbroken you have been by MAL for the better part of a decade I would think its founder killed and raped your mother in front of you and then set her grave on fire before pissing on it. What made you like this? What was the trigger for this autistic one-man crusade?
>>288030843>>288030898Not him, but the reason I dropped it was the excessive Himmel wank. I don't even dislike the guy, but when you sell the premise of the first episode that Frieren regretted not living life to the fullest and not appreciating the fleeting moments she has with her comrades, how the fuck are you going to write the story being Frieren being obsessed with Himmel instead of focusing on her current party? A drunkard cleric joined the party for a couple of days and had a greater chemistry and effect with Stark and Fern that Frieren ever did, hence why the writer had to let him go, it's was too glaring.
>>288031127My problem with the series is that theoretically it had an excellent setup for a journey of character growth. If Frieren was portrayed as detached, unable to appreciate the present, unable to move on, too dead-set in her ways to change a status quo that makes her unhappy, we would have a story. If Frieren was portrayed as a truly non-human being, who for the first time in her life gets truly hurt by having only a superficial understanding of humanity, and wishes to learn more about them, we would have a story.But neither is true. Frieren's journey is on every level about adamant refusal to live in the present (even demons as antagonists do not as much provide a contrast to her, as they reinforce the idea that having unchanging beliefs and opinions is the correct way to live). And after the first couple of episodes there is nothing remotely foreign about Frieren. She is a cute elf who does cute things, and her actual age in terms of her memories and experience is about thirty five - she trains with Flamme and learns nothing beyond combat skills, she gets buckbroken by Macht, she gets on a journey with Himmel, and outside of these events nothing happened in her life. She already knows everything she needs to know to get out of any situation, even a situation that in actual story would have served as a difficult trial, challenging her ability to understand humans, like the mage exam. There is a technical possibility that the author is doing a long-ass setup for a breaking event that would show Frieren the errors of her thinking. But I don't believe in such miracles. Even if the original intent was to have the current arc end in a bloody clusterfuck that ruins everything people dear to Frieren struggled for, because she was insistent on stumbling into a vipers' den blind and deaf, now the author is afraid of his own popularity and fears the backlash.
>>288031127>hence why the writer had to let him goThe writert is a hack, he doesn't know how to create good characters and that he has to develop them over time, he doesn't know how either.How long have they been together almost DAILY 24/7 when Stark and Fern went on their "date"? And that is all they are, all the depth they have? Frieren could replace these two with two cardboard cutouts and the show would instantly be better.
Guess what?Haters gonna hate.Still the best. Simply the best.
>>288027476To kill time until the Golden Land arc.
>>288027476To release something instead of waiting until 2027
>>288027476having cute Frieren reactions of course
>>288027070I love this autistic elf
>>288031119Funny schizo can't get over FMA:B being more popular and well liked than FMA 2003.
>>288027208FPBP
>>288027070You say this as if the top 100 made any sense.
The actual issue isn't that Frieren is a bad show, it's a fine show, easily a 7/10, a solid enjoyable show with weaknesses like most anime.The issue is that somehow people have convinced themselves that this is pinnacle of anime, that it's the best show of all time, the masterpiece of all masterpieces.And that level of absurd overrating should be challenged.
>>288027070>anime: has a joke>op (known to be a dumb fag): AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAstop being gay
>>288033762If only you had this much energy to care about the quality of your own life rather than the wholly unimportant opinions of NPSheeps.
>>288028011you have bad taste and your favourite anime is shit. You are also a redd*tor, a huge pseud, and you need to go back.Talk about missing the point of the show, and the reasoning behind these decisions, at a pathological level like this, lmao.
>>288027070I think there is a lot of overlap between what people consider good and production value these days. Which is a real shame because it's less about the inherent quality of the original work that's on display but the studio's ability at making it looking "bling" for lack of a better word.
Frieren ass sexo sexo yummy
>>288028011Based
>>288033762That's a strawman you constructed in your head.
>>288027070Frieren is the most overrated anime ever. It so faux-deep with their dull expression-less faces, thin story and generic characters. Retards assume that if the characters are always serious (which isn't even true, plenty of chibification and gags occur throughout an average episode) then it's a higher grade of entertainment. The story would've been much, MUCH better if Frieren had to start a new friend party every season, dealing with loss every time, exploring the issues of long lifespan, growing from past experiences. Instead we get a meh SoL.
>>288033860what is holding up that awning
>>288035244Being right, obviously.
>>288027631>Bakemonogataristopped reading here
This elf makes so many people seethe.
>>288033937this but her flat chest and autism
>>288035362She's too powerful
>>288027070Holy cinema.
>>288035362Frieren haters are genuinely the dumbest people on earth
>>288035362Serie mogs her so hard
It's perfectly average and that's its greatest strength it's like a novel inspired by a novel inspired by an Agatha Christie novel with every third page torn out, a AAA game.
>>288036390back to /v/
>>288036751I've never opened the /v/ - Video Games board in my life, as a matter of fact I barely play video games and am against my will forced to listen to their propaganda by existing on the internet
Institutionalize this faggot Bring back sposoby laws
I started watching it recently and it's pretty good. I wanted to wait for the hype shit to die down since I hate watching stuff when faggots and shitposters run rampant every thread. Is is the best anime of all time? Lmao, no. But it's definitely enjoyable and I like how it remains consistent with Frieren not appreciating time because she's almost immortal. Fern and Stark have a entertaining dynamic and it's funny having an elf who is both really old and yet acts like a kid. The only major criticism you could probably have is it's a little meandering, and doesn't feel like it has much in the way of stakes, but I prefer it being a psuedo slice of life show instead of a powerslop show. Frieren and Himmel should've been together btw.
>>288037033Your post is thoughtless and you brought up the term "AAA games" out of nowhere
>it's the best anime of all time!>actually it's dogshit and the worst I've ever seen!How about this: all of you are wrong, your opinion is irrelevant to me, and I'll continue to enjoy it the way I do without your retarded input. Enjoy your autistic /dbs/-tier pants shitting. Feel free to give this throwaway post a (You) if it makes you feel less wrong. I won't read it, and neither will anyone else of note.
>>288027631Cope and seethe my friend.
>>288037760baseddbest post itt
>>288037920Stop replying to yourself
>>288027631ELF BUTT
>>288035362the elf doesn't, faggot. Her manga is bad though
>>288027476>>288030919Her skills developed, but her character growth wasn't significant. She opened up a little to Stark, after he took her on that date. That's basically it. Her growth came a lot more in season 1, which is why we needed episodes focusing more on Stark season 2.With Stark, we get recontextualization of his running away, which was his core character trait in season 1. It's now not about cowardice, but tactics. It's better to live to fight again. His brother told him that, but didn't demonstrate it. Eisen may have told him about all the times the hero party ran away, too. But it wasn't until Frieren laid it out for him in the crystal cave that it began to sink in. Running away is something to do together. Stark embraces this message and makes it a core part of his role as party frontliner. He's not just fighting for himself, but a party. And being that protector, sometimes means a retreat, carrying Fern and Frieren to safety. And he now trusts that Fern and Frieren will run away too, if he's not around and they get in over their heads.This is also the season where we finally see him actually fighting with other people, instead of solo. There was the fight in front of the sword cave last season but it was so brief as to be irrelevant. He actually finally does his job as frontliner, and well.Then there's the stuff with him realizing there are people living all over the North, and sailing past on a ship doesn't help them. He's learning the lesson Frieren learned from Himmel, to care about all the little people along the way.Throughout, we also see Stark make decisions for himself, instead of just going along because his master wanted him to go with Frieren. Culminating in him staying behind with Genau, telling Frieren and Fern to just run away from danger since he won't be with them, and then ignoring Genau's warnings which exposed Revolte's weakness.We didn't get any sort of equivalent development from Fern in season 2. Nor, really, from Frieren.
>>288031386She has the benefit of vast personal experience backing up her firmly-held beliefs. Why would she change on that core wisdom? You're a deluded demon-worshiper who's buttmad the story isn't moral relativist slop.The setup isn't for her to change her firmly held beliefs about demons, it's to care more and more about human timescales. Which she absolutely has been doing. Which is why the story has slowed down. There's no more 50 year, 20 year jumps. It went to single digit years, to months, to mere weeks or days between chapters. The audience is seeing her perspective on time shift. We are literally seeing her live in the present more and more. The significant moments in her life are coming closer together now, and in the process she is remembering more moments that retroactively were significant to her in the past but she previously disregarded. She now has present-day context, which is is in-the-present valuing, that raise the value of those past moments for her.Nor is the point of the story to have her face some great trial. She already did that before the story began, that's the whole fucking point of telling a story after that happened. This isn't her hero's journey. The story is specifically set up to avoid that cliche.
>>288038072I detect a bit of anger there. Does this gif make you upset, perchance?
>>288027530*lack glaring flaws from the perspective of the shonen chimpanzees that bully pussies on social media
>>288038718>She has the benefit of vast personal experience backing up her firmly-held beliefs. Why would she change on that core wisdom? You're a deluded demon-worshiper who's buttmad the story isn't moral relativist slop.Nice to see that demons live rent-free in your head, but they are only a less important part of my point.>The setup isn't for her to change her firmly held beliefs about demons, it's to care more and more about human timescales. That is achieved approximately by the end of Episode 4 at the latest and never matters in any way, shape or form again. Which is sort of a problem, given that we're less 1/10th in the story at that point. From that point onwards Frieren acts like an absolutely typical 35 years old human, who had exactly one big adventure in her life and still has her life and mindset defined by that adventure. Not like a 1000 years old elf who had seen a lot of shit. >We are literally seeing her live in the present more and more. Except no, we don't. We are seeing her live in the past more and more, up to and including literally fucking going to the past for the whole arc. Your mental gymnastics do not change that.>The significant moments in her life are coming closer together nowThe story does not do a good job convincing the readers that she has any significant moments after Heiter's death. Most importantly, if new people in your life are truly significant to you, you don't drag them on your personal nostalgia tour. >Nor is the point of the story to have her face some great trial. She already did that before the story began, that's the whole fucking point of telling a story after that happened. This isn't her hero's journey. The story is specifically set up to avoid that cliche.Lol. Lmao even. Pic very related. That's from the last colorspread, btw.
Holy fucking marriage material
>>288040053Does she shave her pits with her cutting spell? Or does she use her staff? What's the razor situation like in the world of Frieren?
>>288038381>we get recontextualization of his running away, which was his core character trait in season 1. It wasn't. After the dragon his cowardice problem is solved. It is no longer a problem. After the executioners' arc you cannot even pretend that he has issues with either cowardice in itself, or foolhardy bravery as overcompensation - he and Fern already did a tactical retreat together. The only part of your post that is somewhat valid is due to anime adding a lot of teamwork with Stark actually covering for Fern (who suddenly got a lot scrubbier) and serving as live bait in fights which were effortless ohkos in the manga. But... actually learning some tactics offscreen is not a development worth a season. Or even a whole episode.
>>288038718>The significant moments in her life are coming closer together now, and in the process she is remembering more moments that retroactively were significantHas the story meaningfully progressed beyond the intro? How has Frieren's character changed beyond episode 4? Have any of the themes been further explored?
>>288040115Anime girl pit hair is an under explored question. I feel like it's a taboo in the modern age, we're supposed to pretend female pits are naturally hairless.
>>288027070Frieren could be the textbook definition of "mid". Its not bad, but its certainly not good either. The whole show is a vehicle for inane tidbits masquerading as some deep wisdom or philosophy, all of it carefully crafted for maximum normalfag appeal. Emotional music at the right times so the redditors know when they're supposed to cry and laugh, and constant clippable zoomer-centric aura farming moments instead of any real logic or internal consistency to the universe.I cannot say Frieren is "good" until it ends because most manga fuck the landing, so take in account this could be the most wasteful disappointing shit to watch when all comes to an end.Second Frieren is mostly about the visuals, because characters are never challenge in their ideas, opinions or way of doing things: Frieren had one (1) cathartic revelation on episode 1 and everything else that happen to her is just a confirmation of her way of thinking now. Fern and Stark are stagnant characters, they don't change, they don't move, all characters are already where they need to be and emotional progress its impossible. They're always right, their only minuscule fumbles only arise from the most inconsequential of misunderstandings. Is a show about flat characters in a flat world.But everything its very pretty.Have you heard how all pop music now sounds the same? Because, quoting the study, "as music becoming increasingly formulaic in terms of instrumentation under increasing sales numbers due to a tendency to popularize music styles with low variety and musicians with similar skills." Risk can turn people off from things, art that challenges the viewer always risk alienating a major part of the audience.So nothing in Frieren will ever challenge you, every beat, every episode, every threat will always be more or less the same, Frieren will always be right, no one will ever need to grow, is a safespace for you to watch pretty fights and pretty backgrounds with pretty music.
>>288040528it has a cute elf girl in it, that makes it top
look guys, it's Himmel the hero!
>>288040528>So nothing in Frieren will ever challenge you, every beat, every episode, every threat will always be more or less the same, Frieren will always be right, no one will ever need to grow, is a safespace for you to watch pretty fights and pretty backgrounds with pretty musicHere is your (You), Mr. Pretentious Faggot, I'll snag the bait and crush it for posterity.Ever heard of literature, and how in literature there is a constant debate of prose and plot? You will find that most of literature is re-telling of the same old ideas, fairy tales, Shakespeare plays, mythology, leading all the way back to the greeks and the Epic of Gilgamesh. There are so very few lessons and plots that can entice and dialogue with an audience.So, ultimately, plot does not matter. All that matters is how it is packaged, that is the presentation: the music, art direction and pace. The lessons that Frieren has to pass to its audience are simplorious by design, and the show outright throws a commentary at it when they face the demons and Frieren tells the audience, 'No, there is not much to them. They are just evil.' If Frieren wanted to challenge the viewers, it would become like everything else, and harm the art direction that is the proof of its quality. Instead, the show's appeal is very much its simplicity. It is the Mr. Rogers of anime in its message, and in its presentation it is Hamlet interpreted by excellent actors and extraordinary soundtrack, even if what it delivers is just Hamlet. It is a packageIf you think less of Frieren for not delivering what you think it should, you do not understand the basic of art criticism, and your whole comment boils down to gratuitious rejection.
>>288027070Rare MAL W. I was losing my love for anime until Frieren.>>288027315True, it has been very sad to watch.
>>288027070Frieren's fine. Maybe you should put less stock in what MAL says.
The premise of this show interests me but the art is ugly and it's been spammed by so many mentally ill waifufags blatantly not interested in anything else but fawning over her that I've lost interest in it.
>>288040840>war criminal and molester
>>288040333Yes.
>>288040333No. Maybe, if you squint your eyes and consider himmel flashback #987 to be exploration. At this point, the message seems to be "never move on from and keep obsessing over that guy/girl who was/wasn't into you", rather than "cherishing your present friends and family". Or another shonen battle with demons, idk
>>288040528Not reading all of that, sorry. People who shit talk Frieren or say it's mid are midwites. There are so many things told to you about the world and the characters, and it trusts you to notice without needing it spoodfed to you with 5 minutes of exposition.
It is unbelievable to me how broken and retarded the consensus alignment function of social media is
the anime is comfy and frieren is cute
THIS IS A FUCKING VIDEO FOR THAT FAT FUCK FERN.LARD GARGLINGCALORIE THIEVING WIDE LOADBURGER GORGINGSTEAK SHOVELINGHUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOSALAD DODGER
>>288040840>Ever heard of literature, I write as my second job.>So, ultimately, plot does not matter.No, you pretentious faggot. The entire fantasy genre is plagued by worthless cock-goblins who have skimmed Tolkien and came with a take that the plot does not matter, you just have to craft a good fantasy world, even though LotR is actually pretty tightly plotted. In 95% of cases the difference between a shit story and a good one boils down to plot (including the writers' ability to integrate characters in it). That applies even to genres that do not assume big, overarching plots. Good SoL stories may be very episodic, yet a stand-alone plot of an average SoL episode blows the plot of an average Frieren episode out of the water. >All that matters is how it is packaged, that is the presentation: the music, art direction and pace.You're just restating what he>>288040528said in more flattering terms.Also, Frieren's pace is fuckawful. Stark and Fern get a lot of screentime, yet still haven't progressed from the first episode dedicated to them in S1. The mage exams waste inordiate amount of time on character introduction.
>>288041183
>>288031127>Not him, but the reason I dropped it was the excessive Himmel wank.Ohh I get it. You're one of those propaganda artists paid to shit on any fictional character that's too heroic or good.
>>288027631People should unironically not be allowed to vote on a series until AT LEAST the season is over. Maybe even a full year after release.Recency bias ruins any and all scores, and people usually never go back to adjust their scores to what it actually should be one that "high" of watching it is gone and you can see it for what it is.
>>288041026>Maybe, if you squint your eyes and consider himmel flashback #987 to be explorationWhen anime strives to deliver much more than very basic premisses, it fumbles. Anime fans are mostly children and teenagers, either physicially or physically and spiritually. If you like animal, you are probably a child, and that is fine. Growing up is not worth it. Anime / manga writers are even worse than their own fans, since how time consuming their trade is, they do not live. If they do not live, they cannot deliver any meaningful story besides the surface-level that they begun with. Name one serialized anime / manga that delivers on more than a pro-wrestling storyline. You can't. Only maybe anime movies do such, because the serialization does not affect them.Frieren is good because of how small and centered it is, in an age of anime that tries to do too much with its plot and worldbuilding. It cannot and will not escape from its theme of grief, and thank God, imagine the disaster that Naruto becomes the moment you realized the manchild philosophy of the protagonist would have fallen apart if he lived in any more politically challenging age, such as the one his master lived in. Yet, we watch him slap around older characters who have gone through hell, and have unanimously come to the conclusion that the world is not worth it.If Frieren tried to discuss something else besides 'value people and your memory of them', it would collapse. It purposefully dehumanized the demons immediately, so any discussion of ethics could not harm its central theme.
>>288041204>The entire fantasy genre is plagued by worthless cock-goblins who have skimmed Tolkien and came with a take that the plot does not matterIf you are an actual writer, you should know that prose is what matters, not plot. In fact, as long as the prose is interesting, writing goes far.Plot does not matter, we have been re-threading the same myths since before the Bible was written. Every story intended for women is Beauty and the Beast, every story intended for men is Wiglaf and Beowulf slay the Dragon..Try writing something else, and nobody will relate to it because it does not dialogue with the human experience of trial, suffering due to challenge, atonement and rebirth. Anime and anime audiences, especially, would not understand, since the novelty would be lost on them.In the end, Frieren is good because unlike what you seem to believe in, anime is better when it is less. Whenever uneducated japanese hiding in their attic drawing comic books try to discuss anything besides one theme, it falls apart as superficial, hypocritical or outright dumb platitudes which need to be saved by endless youtube essays.Anime will never be Dostoevski. It is ultimately nothing more than a saturday morning cartoon for japanese kids.
>>288030543rude chitobro
>>288041395Worthless last third
>>288041395
>>288041258Your heart is in the right place but you're a retard
>>288041395>Whenever uneducated japanese hiding in their attic drawing comic books try to discuss anything besides one theme, it falls apart as superficial, hypocritical or outright dumb platitudes which need to be saved by endless youtube essays.There's basically three kinds of Japanese people (in terms of attitudes toward the outside world):-The cosmopolitan nihonjin who is fascinated with the wide world outside of Japan and turns the perfectionist attitude of Japanese creative arts towards producing works that blend foreign and native influence. When they feature foreign cultures in their works, it's often with an impressive attention to the minutiae. Ex: Jojo's Bizarre Adventure with it's infamous "travelogue-esque" segments in Parts 3 and 5 extoling the local sights and culture of various parts of Central Asia, Egypt, and Italy.-The plebian nihonjin who has little intellectual curiosity towards the outside world, but will happily consume media produced by both of the other groups. If they do feature foreign cultures in their works, they'll likely try to ape the cosmopolitan, but will get key details wrong and display clear Japanese biases, or else restrict themselves to a few "exotic" token characters. Ex: Bleach, which has Chad the quarter-Hispanic giant and uses a lot of Spanish for purely stylistic reasons.-The Ultranationalist nihonjin who views the world outside of Japan as inherently and categorically inferior. These people almost never make content that isn't focused on Japan or a fantasy world that has strongly Japanese ethics, and are generally not particularly popular outside of Japan if their personal views seep into their work. Ex: GATE, which portrays the JSDF as, essentially, the world's best military, pretends the Japanese government literally doesn't even know what war crimes ARE, and features such amazing plot twists as "We know these spec ops soldiers are American because one of them's black."
>>288041200If that's true then why is she late for dinner?
>>288041495People can't create stories far greater than they are. And when they are thrust in a tight schedule drawing comic books in an attic for their lazy editors to send back and demand adjustment, you'll find that leaves them with seldom any time to explore the complexity of life. The best and deepest manga were written by jagged old men and women who had already lived through a longer life outside their cave, and yet, all these deep manga end very much in the problem of suicide (why the fuck do we even bother living, what is the purpose of all this suffering and how do I cope with it), which ultimately ends in the two possible solutions, which is either blind faith or just gaslight yourself into becoming a masochist.I don't want any complex moral themes in my manga / anime because the japanese mangakas are completely unable to address it, much less address it in a way that can be enjoyed.Imagine if you had to sit through a complex discussion on morality and war by the author of fucking Bleach.
>>288041576(All three are based)
>>288038755I called you a faggot merely because your post was dishonest.You can't stand your pet bad manga being criticised so you pre-emptively wrote your stupid post in the manner that is supposed to imply that there is no valid thing that could be criticised about the story/art and all such statements are just people being dishonest because they are mad/etc.
>>288041395>If you are an actual writer, you should know that prose is what matters, not plot.Yes, I am actual writer. Therefore I know that prose is far less important than the plot, if you're trying to actually sell your shit to readers, instead of circlejerking with other "writers". You simply don't understand what plot even is. The several phrases of synopsis are not, in fact, plot. Fuck, no. The carcass that ensures that every chapter (ideally) ends on a hook or a cliffhanger, and every scene either adds something to the story or provokes emotional responses you aim for, and every arc contributes to the core theme is the plot.And in Frieren it ranges from serviceable to bad.>In the end, Frieren is good because unlike what you seem to believe in, anime is better when it is less. Whenever uneducated japanese hiding in their attic drawing comic books try to discuss anything besides one theme, it falls apart as superficial, hypocritical or outright dumb platitudes which need to be saved by endless youtube essays.Your attempt to say "it is shit, but it shit on purpose" falls apart, because the most important problem with Frieren's plot is exactly the failure to stick to the initially presented theme, or use its arcs effectively to develop it. >Anime will never be Dostoevski. It is ultimately nothing more than a saturday morning cartoon for japanese kids.Dostoevski wrote for money, on a grinding work schedule. He lived off that shit. At his time kids could not pay for books, but he totally delivered what his target audience wanted.
>>288041582"dinnertime" is whenever the elf wants to eat
>>288030713That's an oddly unjust way to spin Stark intuiting that the guy was going to commit die in a literal sense and intuit-trusting that Frieren would be fine without him for a moment.>>288040333>Have any of the themes been further explored?Yes, in subtle and not-so-subtle ways. (You're free to call which is which.) For example, when Frieren needs a certificate and has an ancient relic instead of a certificate. This illustrates the passage of time. Each new arc introduces amalgams of new thematics and angles, in addition to this. >>288040159This might be perhaps be well-conveyed as side stories-we see some side stories and adventures that are not unwelcome after the plot arcs. It's fine in the manga. It's perhaps contentious when it posits itself as an ´episode´.
>>288041576>The plebian nihonjin who has little intellectual curiosity towards the outside worldThe kind we should have let go extinct when they refused to open Japan to foreign trade.
>>288040333>>288039654>>288034786Frieren is not a particularly deep or complex story and yet you can’t even grasp its fundamentals…please stick to dbz and your powerscaling to show “development”. Its comfy slice of life as Frieren learns to slow down and smell the roses instead of fast forwarding through her infinite lifespan. The criticism is so surface level it really does show anons just start their thinking with popular thing = bad and then rationalize from there.
>>288042414>Frieren is not a particularly deep or complex storyIt could've been, the potential was immense, and mangaka chose a safe, profitable and generic path>can’t even grasp its fundamentals…please stick to dbz and your powerscaling to show “development”. Its comfy slice of life as Frieren learns to slow down and smell the roses instead of fast forwarding through her infinite lifespanSo that's why there's a tournament arc?
>>288042414>Its comfy slice of lifeSomething like Hakumei and Micochi is a comfy slice of life. Frieren is a battle snonen, which can have up to eight chapters of non-stop fighting in a row, and where every substantial conflict after the first few episodes is solved by violence or pulling new magic out of Frieren's ass. And which deals with heavy themes, like inevitability of death (nothing says "comfy" like an old man slowly dying, with no one but a a single war comrade to keep him company or take care of his foster child). If you deny this, you are the one incapable of grasping the fundamentals and pretending the story is something it is not.
>>288042414>anons just start their thinking with popular thing = bad and then rationalize from thereClear case of "retards thinking they are in good company". They saw us being critical of stuff, sometimes rightfully so, and though the safe way to blend in would be to say everything popular is shit. Some things are popular because they're good, good things don't often get slept on.
>>288027070why is every character emotionless? it makes sense for a long lived elf to be, but even the human characters are copies of her
>>288041833That's a lot of words
>>288033850>Talk about missing the point of the showNta but what is the point then?
>>288041913>Yes, I am actual writer. Therefore I know that prose is far less important than the plot, if you're trying to actually sell your shit to readers, instead of circlejerking with other "writers"Explain why every meaningful plot that is not a "circlejerk to other writers" is the most basic, run of the mill white bread iteration of class romance (poor kid finds out he is special), Hamlet or Beauty and the Beast. That is the plot alone of Harry Potter, Naruto, One Piece. As I say, plot does not matter. The less of it there is, the best.>Your attempt to say "it is shit, but it shit on purpose" falls apartI am not saying it is shit. It is not shit, because it knows its turf and does it well. It is just not pretentious, like popular anime tend to be. As I say, imagine being lectured about ethics and suffering by the same man who drew Bleach. I recall how Miyazaki found so funny that the message he tried to pass while confusing himself with his overtly hefty epic about robots and child neglect, was far better explained by his mangaka wife in three chapters.Authors who try to punch above their intellectual weight often fumble their own work. And the weight class of mangaka, for aforementioned reasons (they have vapid lives dedicated to a time-consuming trade and artform), is philosophically very light.You are being foolish on purpose, I hope. If you are trying to write something more complex than Frieren, I am afraid you should not. You are drawing from a very shallow pool.Better refine your prose.
The worst chapters of Frieren by far are exactly the most complicated, which is the First Class Mage exams, where it tries to do the Naruto Chuunin Shiken with a budget.The story immediately falls apart, and it becomes slop for a handful of chapters. Those chapters are the ones with the most plot, but where the anime is at its most mediocre because Frieren is not truly about the cool strategies. They remind me of when the Gurren Lagaan guy tried to make his anime like Gundam and start discussing politics, then he immediately noticed he was writing way out of his league, and went back to boobs and giant robot and punch-punch-punch to entertain 12 years old children.
>>288042652>makes it easier for you to just repeat a single frame of the character while altering the SFX in the background, so you can animate the SFX and not bother animating emotions (which would result in deteriorating quality whenever you try to do both)
>>288042608>Some things are popular because they're goodand Frieren is not one of them
>>288043302Frieren is much better than most of the slop released recently.
>>288043110Even funnier when the frieren author tries to do the whole timey wimey future vision nonsense in the background.
>>288043408Low bar
>>288043419They explain why Frieren is so good by showing Frieren at its worst.
>watching for the story>not watching for the 10/10 elf
>>288043010>Frieren is good because it is like One PieceWell I don't really have a counter to that.
>>288043987I watch for the elf, silly as she may be
Funny schizo?
>"elves are for what?"
>>288027070>being a database animal in 2026
>>288042608Too much surface-level criticism. Case in point. Some guy calls it "mid" then brings up AAA games. Actually, he doesn't know anything about the topic-so he brought it up because it's trendy? Yikes.
Oh yeah, and cue "demons bad".
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>NOOOOOOOOO I'M SO INTELLIGENT AND ELEGANT AND CULTURED, I WATCH ANIME EXPECTING SOME DEEP PHILOSOPHICAL RANTS I PRETEND TO UNDERSTAND, I CAN'T ENJOY A SIMPLE STORY LIKE FRIERENWhy is /a/ like this?
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>>288048498A real cultured watcher can enjoy both the simple entertainment and the art. You don't have to "pick a side" between being a pretentious asshole or a full-on anti-intellectualism embracing retard.
Imagine getting baited into actually watching this garbage
>>288043010Again, you don't even understand what the plot is. In a contest to write the snidest and dumbest pseud 4chan post imaginable, you would score highly. Are you doing demon roleplay, or outsourcing your posts to ChatGPT?
Frieren is indeed a very good anime, but still quite overrated.
>>288048498(1)Frieren is a simpe story? Really? All this GoT-esque politics and juggling dozens of characters, and tackling multiple complicated themes from time travel to nature of consciousness sure could have fooled me. (2)A simple story can be written excellently, serviceably or poorly. It is not the matter of depth, but of craftsmanship. And writing simple stories is actually not simple. On the contrary, having every arc, every scene, every interaction, every character loop back to your single core theme in some way is difficult. Frieren is written serviceably at best. Many of its episodic stories are total nothingburgers where nothing happens and nothing is set up. Especially anything related to Fern/Stark past their introductory episodes. Most of its longer arcs are good in vacuum (except for the mage exam, which is shit), but are all over the place thematically.
>>288027208hot
>>288040969How did you know I am Serbian?
>>288027070>Only remembered for shit copied from other showsAlright fags, betting time:How fast will Frieren be forgotten after it finished airing?
>>288049844Discussion is visibly dying down, even though in the anime we're waiting for what is believed to be the best arc in the series (isn't it remarkable that it has the least Frieren in it, not counting the current arc, which is not yet finished?), and the manga resumed hiatus on a cliffhanger. And even before that, about a third of the "discussion" on /a/ was demonposting, which is remarkable, given how briefly demons appear in S1+2.
freiren is just budget holothere can only be one intelligent pointy eared wife thats lived for 2000 years
>>288050392Holo a slut
>>288027530I want to fuck this tanuki
>>288043010>It is not shit, because it knows its turf and does it well. Civilization was a mistake. Not everyone should have access to reading, it has became painfully evident, like giving an armless man a pair of gauntlets.
>>288027366FMA:B will never have peaceful threads ever again, lol.
cute lolibaba elf
>>288043110>The worst chapters of Frieren by far are exactly the most complicated, which is the First Class Mage exams, where it tries to do the Naruto Chuunin Shiken with a budget.There is nothing complicated about the mage exams. The opposite, in fact. The arc is shit specifically because it is written in a simplistic and one-dimensional fashion even compared to Naruto. The chuunin exam doesn't merely introduce a ton of characters, it immediately puts them into all sorts of conflicts with the main cast, and not merely physical conflicts, but conflicts of convictions as well. It severely tests the main character on multiple levels. It immediately leads into a cool shinobi battle, and directly sets up the following big arc. All the while exploring a number of relevant themes, often in the ways that aren't immediately in your face. Naruto failed to stick the landing, or, really, to have a good second half, but the chuunin exam was the shit, a positive example of how you write a tournament arc.The mage exam, on the other hand, fails, because it does not do any of that. It merely introduces a bunch of new characters, none of which come into a serious ideological conflict with the main cast - or even each other - or can pose a significant physical threat. And drops a bunch of setups which may or may not lead to payoffs in indeterminate future
>>288027070This "pretending Frieren is the next FMA" shit is a sign of the nu-/a/ generation's brainwashing by zog. FMA wasn't the "best anime ever" but at least it had some good points. This shit has nothing. This is the kind of run of the mill slop that cannot even win the Special Olympics (or Slop Olympics).Basically, if I tell you that it has to fight with the likes of Jujutsu and Kimetsu you would probably go>ah, but of course, these are the three greatest bangers of our erabut it has to "fight" them because they are all equally soulless forgettable derivative trash. I don't like Mushoku Tensei because it's just generic_fantasy_world + is*kai incel power fantasy and even that is way more "creative" than Frieren. Naruto was the worst of the "Big Three" and yet its spiritual successors - KnY and JJK - make it look like a masterpiece of creativity.FMA crushes all of the above, easily. FMA will be remembered 10 years from now when another tranny (aka biologically male author that spics think is a woman) produces another forgettable slop manga, because the LatinX community will claim that said forgettable slop manga is "like FMA but betterer".Also the elf slut is easily the most unattractive hypershilled elf in anime history, I tried jerking off to her at least three times and I couldn't bring myself to nut. The "fat cunt" sidekick of hers is not even worth commenting on. And that purple haired "le epic evil cuz... she's evil" demon? Living proof that Frierencucks are soulless NPCs.>"Ayudame! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT? SHE TOLD HER TO KILL HERSELF AND SHE DID IT! AAAAAAAA I AM LOSING MY MIND OVER THIS EL EPICO!!! SHE IS SUCH A HOT MAMACITA, SHE KILLED HERSELF!!!"TL;DR:>Frienen's popularity on /a/ is a product of Jew propaganda in school & the browning of 4chan.t. Whitest man left on /a/ (and the man with best taste in anime, obviously)
Why does she have a pantyhose in a fantasy setting?
>>288027070The bestest!
>>288051176>"le epic evil cuz... she's evil" demonOf all the fair critisisms the series gets, this is not one of them. There is nothing wrong with having a race of being simply evil, you might have grievances on how it's handled but that's a different thing.
>>288051505>There is nothing wrong with having a race of being simply evil,Depends on your definition of "evil". Let's assume you meant "hostile to humans and human-adjacent beings no matter what".>you might have grievances on how it's handled but that's a different thing.The problem with demons is that they are written as beings reasoning with whom should be possible and not even very difficult. They do not need to eat humans, mostly do not enjoy it, and are sufficiently intellectualy endowed to cooperate with other sapient beings on the basis of mutual gain. But then they somehow behave in a more overltly hostile fashion that demons from Slayers, who literally only exist to destroy the world, because that's what an asshole deity created them for, or demons from Thunderbolt Fantasy, who actually are consistently written as a race of sadomasochistic psychopaths.
>>288051789>Depends on your definition of "evil".I am not getting into the philosophical weeds of what is "le evil" in a thread about Frieren. You said the word first anyway, so for the purposes of this discussion "evil" would be whatever would be evil from the Main Cast's PoV.>and are sufficiently intellectualy endowed to cooperate with other sapient beings on the basis of mutual gain.Which the series goes of out it's way to rub it in that they use to go undercover/manipulate. The whole El Dorado arc was about a demon who was sort of the exception and contemplated that shit. There is no ontological contradiction here.
>>288051843>Which the series goes of out it's way to rub it in that they use to go undercover/manipulate.No demon in the series ever goes undercover, and their manipulations are extremely short-term, while both series I mentioned above had demons, capable of playing a long game. Anyway, the question is WHY they are using their obvious intelligence, factually sufficient to self-examine and contemplate abstract topics to take risky actions for no obvious gain? Do you have an answer beyond "just because"? (Note: latest chapters hint at an answer, but nothing is firmy confirmed yet.)
>>288051962I think it's evident that the author want to drip feed general info on their ultimate motivations. Even if this never happens, I see no issue with it. Nobody really gave a fuck on the why the Reapers did what they did when it was finally revealed in Mass Effect. It didn't make the exchanges with Sovereign or Legion any less good.
>>288051264Frieren culo am I right?
This nigga actually thinks Dostoevsky is that good, holy midwit
>>288027631I don't watch any of this weebshit. I only watch the good anime. The ones on Netflix.
>>288027070>show has actual character and writing content beyond some nitwit nothings punching each other>this filters the lesser western cartoon audienceAnime and manga really is a superior art form.
>>288051505The problem with Slopren is that it wants to have it both ways and its delusional broccoli hair audience can't even tell. They just CONSOOM what they are told, regurgitate it, and project it, even though they don't even live by it.>HAHA, DEMONS ARE PURE EVIL (says so in the anime!!! so it's a fact!!!) JUST LIKE EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH [insert whatever talking points your zog golem told you to think, typically projected on "conservatives" by Frieren fans' thought leaders]>Also I would totally fix her and she would be my waifu, she is do uniquely sexy [talking about some generic purple haired slut]The "pure evil" slop in this slop anime is no more evil than your average slop is*kai antagonists, and they aren't acting in a pure evil manner either. The author is so braindead that he cannot even do something basic like copying Sauron from LotR for his pure evil template. His "muh pure evil" generic villains are just sloppy copies of Johan from Monster (a trash character himself btw).At least when the same "anime thought leaders" misused FMA to say "see? Israel is actually an innocent victim state created only to be sacrificed by the evil Christians" they were misinterpreting something intended by the author (Amestris = America = doing wars for kikes). But Frieren "is the new FMA" ergo we must also rape "it is actually a deep political metaphor" into it so "umm you see the demons is everyone right of liberalism, they are irredeemably evil snd phrenology is also right as long as it's applied to right wingers". Of course, the tiny minority of braindeads who identify as right wing / aka anime watching MIGApedes will then go ..."nuh uh... Frieren is le based... because the demons are trannies! mmmm Frieren culo, muy bueno.. I am a third generation goblino who still voted for Trump to kick out the first gen goblinos, how you like them apples, libruls?"
Frieren will always be astro turfed, dog shit
>>288052650>muh lotryawn
>>288052678>broccoli hair thinks he found an epic way to get out of trying to make a counter>he is "yawning" at a series that is peak excitement and innovation compared to Slopren, whose author would kill for having his slop remembered as anime LotRBut it never will... Frieren dies with broccolis. Just like Oshit no Ko already did /JJK is on its way there
>>28805273136 years old. It's only just lord of the rings.
>>288037259Schizo
>>288052909CUTIES
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>>288027631Looks like One Piece is considered better. Which is true.
