How much power do you think editors should exert on an author's creative vision? Did Editor-san make the right call here?
Yes adding a faggot for the MC was the right move
>>288058397First time i see an editor being based>>288058469If you want to see big strong men you can always go read shoujo and self inserir as the girl or better yet go watch gay porn since you bussy seems to be itching so much for a big strong man you fucking little bitch
>>288058689what a fag
>>288058770Go read yaoi im sure theres lots of big men for you to feast your eyes on ;)
>>288058397It really depends on what the publisher wants for their magazine.
>>288058397none. editors just want a self insert apparently.
>>288058397The manga is meh but as shoujo it would be even worse
>>288058397Sometimes I wonder how writers feel about scrapping character/plot ideas during the creative process, with the world only seeing the final compromise version. It must feel like being Homura as the only one who remembers Madoka's heroism from alternate timelines.I vaguely remembered one of Edgerunners' writers talking about a scrapped alt scenario he was fond of, but digging up the full quote turns out to be pretty topical:https://animecorner.me/interview-exploring-the-world-of-cyberpunk-edgerunners-with-bartosz-sztybor/>Q: Did any of the characters significantly change from how you originally imagined them in the concept? Who is your favorite character in the story and why?>A: With more than a few dozen versions of the storyline, there were tens of character changes. Sometimes whole backstories and character traits were rewritten, with only names remaining. Other times two characters would be combined into one, or a person’s mentality stayed the same but their motivations changed.>There was a version — one that I really liked — where David and Lucy knew each other before, they had a third friend and were a trio of thieves mostly stealing skill-chips and selling them to their neighborhood ripperdoc, dreaming to be like Maine, a famous cyberpunk from their block.>In one storyline Faraday was much closer to David. He was not as villainous as in the final version, but he was a really complex character struggling with the difficult choices he had to make. In another one, Falco became a good friend of David’s after — SPOILER ALERT! — Maine’s death. There was a moment during the creative process when a new storyline was made every week, so trust me, there were many great characters and a lot of changes.
>>288058397I have to admit punkish senpai has stronger gap moe. Wonder how that feedback meeting went.>no, you WILL write a beta MC>AND SHE WILL LIKE HIM BECAUSE HE'S NICE>AAAIIIEEE Editor-sama I kneel, sumimasen!
I like the design of her, but the story is wholly forgettable typical generic romcom
>>288061914It's definitely interesting and makes you think about how things would have turned out if done differently. Another Trigger case has to be LWA, which almost turned into a shoujo Anime. You can see in the end, however, they were not comfortable with dropping it completely
>>288058397the manga is carried by the fmc's design and the story is so fucking bland compaired to similar sized manga in the same niche. it's so disappointing to follow it per chapter
>>288058397manga's fucking dogshit but it somehow already had 100k circulation in 2 vols so maybe there's really a world out there enjoying this slop
Adding the jock friend worked better than I expected, since she got to show off her supposed scary side more.
>>288065475she's getting touchy with another guy how is that a good thing?
her pubes must smell heaveny
The author can't just tease the prospect of a maid outfit and not deliver, right?
>>288063155I guess, the editor read the manuscript and did not see anything in it, and he's right, because the gimmick works and sells it
>>288061914I've been reading inaho-kun lately and having seen the pre-serialization I'd say that changing inaho from being a lovestruck straight-man (ha!) to being basically a kuudere is a marked improvement
>>288058397>Did Editor-san make the right call here?NoThere are too many of these series aroundThis is yet another me-too seriesAuthor should have stood his groundWouldn't be surprised if the spineless editor did this to appease the west because the west is so deranged that they think even adult short anime women are ''muh pedo''>>288058689>Big strong menStupid trannyIt says right there in the image that the delinquent gets pushed around by the honor student
>>288060741>Delinquent boy means it's a shojoRetard>Hating shoujoYou are the cancer killing manga
>>288058689Projecting homofaggot, no wonder most romcom mc are wimps.
>>288058397Why do something novel when you can just add a bland self-insert instead and copy your homework from others? Sasuga Editor-san.
>>288058890You talk like a woman.
>>288068153>>288068186>reddit spacing>homoName a more iconic duo.
>>288068186Shoujo is trash that's why it's unpopular compared to shonen.
>>288068153seconding this anon, we are truly worse off in this timeline, i would've probably read this series with the original premise. i say this as someone who can enjoy self-insert slop if it has its merits (good art and good comedy) but god this is so derivative. editor for this should've be beaten as a child
>>288068230Uh oh self inserting incel is mad
>>288058397Seems like your avg beta male romcom no.9432937xxxxx
>>288068211The original pitch reminds me of Ichigo and Rukia from Early BleachIchigo being a punk with a heart of gold being pushed around by mischievous Rukia These kind of setups were fairly common back in the 2000s and old /a/ absolutely loved themBut the tranny you're quoting is a zoomer so he wouldn't know anything about that
>>288068245Can't blame the author tho, probably was his first serialised manga so didn't wanna offend the beta male editor.
>>288068230kys
>>288068275Self insert incels are the same as AGP yuritrannies, they get threatened by the presence of a man especially a Chad.
>>288068246you can be an incel and not want to read garbage?
>>288068237More like female artists became fujotrannies and abandoned shoujo magazines and are now ruining shonen magazinesThat's why you have trash like Sono Bisque Doll which is basically a faux-ShoujoThings were better when women mostly stayed in their lanes instead of invading shonen mags
>>288068275I'm telling you this shitty manga will get forgotten fast, if they had went with the original plot and characters which would have been a breath of fresh air among beta male wimp MCs, it would have gained more popularity faster.
>>288068295Yea your wimp MC romcoms are garbage.
>>288058397The initial oneshot's concept is so much better that it's criminal. The editor might've been right that the final result would sell more because self-inserting retards are an evergreen market, but a fun, memorable, and kino dynamic got sacrificed for it.
>>288068315no dude i am this >>288068245 anon, i am agreeing with you but being an incel has nothing to do with it
>>288068294But technically the guy isn't even a Chad, just a normal guy who happens to be a delinquentThe girl is still the one leading himBeing a non-manlet doesn't make you a Chad, and by the old definition(Chad was used to refer to upper/upper middle class prep boys who were social butterflies) it doesn't fit at allThis isn't Itazura na Kiss or even Kaichou wa Maid Sama This is more like BleachI wouldn't describe Ichigo as a chad
>>288068329It's not gonna sell more, they're already tons of manga with the same concept.
>>288068348By Chad I mean just a generally "good looking" mc instead of your bargain bin kirito/okarun type character clones. Also the "teasing" femc is just stale now.
>>288068301They try to get attention from shounen manga now since no one cares about their crap being published in shoujo.
>>288068153>Wouldn't be surprised if the spineless editor did this to appease the west because the west is so deranged that they think even adult short anime women are ''muh pedo''Now now, I think boy-girl teen height difference isn't THAT alien to the West, plus her being older than him is built into the senpai pitch.
>>288068403No, more like they can't publish their fujo trash in ShojoShojo magazines used to be popular and had many good series, but the new gen of jap femoids just like in the west, are less feminine so they prefer fujoshitSo what happens now is that there's no money in Shojo magazines anymore so a lot of female artists who would have been Shojo artists who want money settle for compromising their vision and publishing unholy abominations in shonen mags like Sono Bisque Doll, Akanebanashi etc. the list goes onSo in the endFuck FujosThey killed Shonen, They killed Shoujo
>>288068436You've clearly been living under a rock if you haven't noticed how 'Muricans have devolved in the last 10 years
>>288068560Why don't they go to yaoi magazines, isn't it quite big too? All that I know is that yuri doesn't even earn 1/10th of yaoi series, so why poison shounen manga?
>>288068630Pretty sure there is no such thing as a Yaoi magazine because Yaoi demographic isn't a thingThey can publish in seinen mags thoughThey want the money too obviously and they want to spread their shit to the mainstream so that it gets an anime and they can hear their fantasies voice actedSame goes also for yuriniggers
>>288058689I read shoujo to self insert as the bishie ikemen
>>288058397I'd say the girl ended up better for it, but the reworked guy is an active detriment to the series.
>>288069482No she didn'tI am a tallgirl fag but she is generic in the final
>>288068560>being religious about manga
>>288069643She ain't even tall, she's the same height as the guy.
>>288070173She is tall for nip standardsAnd she's clearly taller than him in the OP pic, whereas before she was smol and the guy was tall
>>288058397>How much power do you think editors should exert on an author's creative vision?It's a collaborative work. Both need to find the right balance that satisfy the demands of the magazine and the author's goals.>Did Editor-san make the right call here?I can't say since I lack context. But if the changes are driven because this is a shounen romcom then yeah, I think he did well. The second concept is more appealing for that demographic.The first iteration seems to be a less extreme version of Yugami no Toriko. Which I don't think will work for a general audience. Maybe for a niche in there looking for a romocm that's more shoujo-oriented.>>288061914It's why I enjoy behind-the-scenes/early concepts. It's interesting to delve into what could have been and how things have changed from the start to the end product.Though I do admit that concepts mostly sound good because that's what they are and they let fill the void on their own. Execution is a different matter.
>>288063155Because it looked like a ntr character.It's that simple.
>editors are behind low T MCs betafagFire them.
>>288070755No he didn't
>>288068267This is kinda my issue with all of these newer romance manga, the girls are usually good to great, the MCs have exactly one personality and its just a lens for the reader to view the girl. I get that its self-insert shit, but having characters with an ounce of depth makes a world of difference. Picrel was the last one that felt even acceptable in that sense.
>>288070829The girl was a cunt in this oneI hear she got btfo though
>>288070852Genuinely the most incorrect post I've ever readShe wins and its not even close; she also has to deal with the consequences of being a bratty tease and grows into being a MUCH better character by the end.
>>288066532My fellow pubesbro. Nice pantsu too.
>>288058397If nothing else, Haimiya being more on the edgy side was absolutely an improvement. I just wish Kurose had something more interesting going on.
>>288070897She wasn't bratty enough and didn't get corrected hard enough
>>288070953>correcting this perfect angelHow could you ever?nah who am I kidding, Himari is absolutely for pressuring into raw sex followed by forced impregnation as she tries to push you off before just accepting it and leglocking you
>>288070897So the series is garbage then?Because this blue cunt is the same garbage as Ruka in KanokariNisekoi was the last good romcom
>>288070937He just made her bigger and swapped the role to make her a ''mommy'' character for gaijin
>>288071053She's almost nothing like Ruka, predicated entirely by the fact that the MC actually loves having her around and Himari being a very real anchor in his life. Maybe you should watch it instead of consecutively making incorrect assumptions and judging off them.
>>288071113>She's almost nothing like RukaShe is annoying like herShe is cancer, she is the one who dumped him in the first place and then she wants him backShe's like a mix of Mami and Ruka
>>288071113>>288071134Also I'm pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that blue cunt lost in the LN
>>288070241She's wearing lifted boots, remove them and she's shorter than him.
>>288071134>dumped him What the fuck are you even talking about
>she stays in the infirmary a lot!!>no we won't elaborate, here's another paint by numbers high school not romance, enjoy 40 chapters before a handholding that both of them blush at since they don't want to admit they like each other
>>288071195In the LN he's currently with the other girl yeah, but there's a lot of hinting at a university arc and it feels like there's going to be a payoff to the whole "when we're 30" promise that they made, considering it never stops being brought up.
>>288071347Nah its done publishing, unless the guy makes a sequel series or something. The ending was a letdown even if you liked Enomoto though.
>>288071263The point remainsIn the og concept she was short and the guy was tall
dunno why people are seething about the change, there's plenty of chad MC fucks and wins the girl instant romcoms. you can go read those
If nothing else I really like her design, it feels really fresh in a lot of ways
>>288071269Was it that she dumped him or rejected him?I can't remember which one it was.Also just looked it up right now and she is voiced by the same seiyuu who voiced Uruka in Kusoben, which is ironic because Uruka was an obnoxious coward and worst girl in Bokuben
>>288071439The genre is dominated by wimp MCsKill yourself already you faggot
>>288071470no, the genre is dominated by shoujo MCs who aren't wimps.
>>288071453iirc they just had differences they couldn't figure out but it's been a while so I don't really remember
>>288071440feels very generic and fresh at the same time. Guess it's just the combo of all the different archetypes put into one character.>Gap piercing>Delinquent eyes>Russian silver hair>Vague tomboy but very feminine
>>288071479No it isn't
>>288071498Well I remember them breaking up and then MC going with the other girl and then the blue cunt kept being a third wheel.Somehow I remember her dumping him.
>>288071510For me it's the wolf cut + piercings + eyes combo that really makes it work for me. She feels sort of imposing even at her cutest and its great.
>>288071654This
>>288071420She's not tall you retarded faggot.
>>288071439Point me to some of them please, all the mainstream romcoms even the non mainstream ones have a beta bitch mc being bossed around by foid mc.
>>288071440>Le generic anime girl design no.67437834677Lol
>>288071789She is compared to the concept
>>288061914When you are a novice writer it tends to hurt more to have to scrap or drop things, but as you get more experienced you tend not to gain attachment until something is actually read by other people. There are often characters, designs, or concepts you latch onto in the creative process and will try to put into your current or future work, but if an idea is 100% scrapped it gets easier to let it go.You can even see it in that quote that writers go through a lot of iterations of storylines and characters, some things will stay with you but most are pretty easy to forget. In general the best stuff makes it into the work anyway.t. game developer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJTo38Xvt9g
>>288071297Place your bets, what's her disability?
>>288073250Naruhodo>>288070173>>288070241>>288071420>>288073239I think the oneshot guy was just taller, rather than her being shorter. According to >>288068436 her final version is 157cm while the final guy is 168cm, and her school shoes are normal.
>>288058689you are this mad
>chapter 28 came outOoh!>tags: sole female, shotacon, group, smalldom, rape, gangbang, nakadashi, ahegao, impregnation, netorare
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>>288078697>w-what kind of picture book is this?
>>288078732Mio-chan kawaii~
>>288078763Imagine wanting this woman to bear your children, couldn't be me, haha
>>288078821Just for a week bro
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>>288078893>tfw caught slacking
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>>288079012Do non-girlfriends really call you over on a whim without explaining?
>>288079047>potentially missing out on a maid outfit for thisFair trade?
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>>288079114Here comes a new challenger!End.
>>288070755Kek, I'd blame the tan, but he's not actually darker than the other characters in those sketches.
>>288058689based
>male at a daycareparent melt-down in 5..4..3..
>>288058397Right has the female as MCLeft has the male as MCnot hard to understand desu
>>288082717>Right has the female as MCEh, I think the girl-pestering-cool-guy setup still flows easier with the male as the primary POV and straight man who keeps getting ambushed. Kinda like the Haruhi dynamic; it's harder to write Haruhi as MC.
>>288083152The author states that it was a girl bullying the delinquent, which activates the prime female desire: "the criminal will kill everyone else, but I am special and control him"
>>288083196I don't think shoujo feMCs usually hit on the guy they like, they tend to be on the receiving end.
>>288083661Nah, it's not that uncommon. Plus, he can still be the one to approach her and be proactive while she still messed with him.
>>288058397Its shoujo and turned into shounen
A non-beta-male romcom is NOT automatically shoujo!
>>288071596Just reread it and Yuu is actually the one that breaks up with Himari, though it's through a very mutual fight where Yuu's ambitions being too important to him makes Himari feel like she's not worth enough to him and tells him as much, and he takes it personally and breaks it off. This is after Yuu essentially stops prioritizing her and keeps putting things involving her off constantly. Yuu is the cunt in the end of it all.
>>288083832Yeah but at that point you’re basically admitting it’s just standard romcom framing with a slightly more aggressive heroine. The POV dictates the demographic more than who throws the first jab.If the narrative lingers on *his* reactions, growth, and inner monologue, it’s still shounen-coded even if she’s the one teasing/initiating. Shoujo usually flips that-his mystique, her emotional spiral, closeups of eyelashes for 3 panels, etc.People see “non-doormat male lead” and instantly scream shoujo, but execution matters way more than who says “I like you” first.
>>288058689>tall handsome male mc badMen who are ugly have insecurities that project into being toxic, abusive, controlling, jealous and more.
>>288068560>Akanebanashihow? just because mc is a female?
>>288068223>>>/co/>>>/lgbt/
>>288087291Shit I will never understand. Having an interesting main character always leads to better stories, handsome or tall, or even just somewhat unique looking. I'm tired of the standard mass produced 5'6" lanky boy with dark messy hair. I swear to god this is the shit that makes me detest modern anime.
>>288088670This kills the standard Japanese teenager.
>>288088779jawlet/chinlets are the target audience
>>288058397There's better contrast between the characters with the more normal MC, it makes the heroine stand out.
>>288078665>>288078637It had to be one of the most ridiculous blackmail scenarios I've seen in a while>I saw you going to that ramen place! If you don't want me to tell everyone, go work in my stead
>>288088881>the more normal MCWhich did he mean by this?
>>288089085Normal, average, bland, generic. Black hair'd, passive male MC. The delinquent ver would be fine but the girl being the stand out is what I'd prefer.
>>288089288You disgust me and sapience is wasted on you.
>>288089368You're a retard who can't fathom people having different preferences from you.
>>288071002>>288070897>>288070829what the hell are you all talking about? Himari won, dated, broke up, and in the end just remained friends while Yuu ended up continuing to date Rion into graduation. The LN is finished bros.
people complaining about the MC of this manga haven't actually read it. He's not a loner, he has friends, can competently play instruments, comes from an intact family with two sisters and present mother and father, is a member of the health committee, and is actually canonically good looking, and takes initiative to invite the senpai on dates and be present and on good terms with her. They're 15 and 16yo, give them a break lol. adult romance standards need not apply to these kinds of slice of life feel good romance stories.
>>288071053>Nisekoiit was good because best girl was the only one that had any real character development, and it turned into haremslop around 100-120 when they kept adding girls anyway. still leagues better than anything airing nowadays for the most part though, or being published.
>>288089625>He's not a loner, he has friendsWhat? His only friend in this manga decided to talk to him out of pity and that's how they became friends.
>>288089394Don't be proud of having shit test, low test male.
>>288089625>>288090024He's a loner doormat who voluntarily cleans up after slackers, and took the health committee job because nobody else wanted it
>>288090230Even the health committee is canonically dumping all their work on him.
>>288090124How is it low test to want the girl to be the focal point? You want the dude to be more prominent you faggot.
>>288058397The first version sounds the best. Delinquent x Landmine is underserved.
>>288068223Only women use that as an insult on men
>>288058689Based
>>288058397Talk about sad. From kinda intredasting and "unique" to "one of those beta fag MCs"
>wah wah wah I need the MC to be Chad Thundercock in my cute romcomGo read a battle shonen.
