Why is fanservice frowned upon so much by the Western audience?
>>288136794They prefer real rape.
>>288136794It could be done well when it makes sense within the premise, like KLK and Dress-up darling
>>288136794Why do you care so much about normalfags?
It's fine by me, so long as it's good. A lot of it isn't though.
Fanservice is by definition vulgar and an attempt at instilling lust upon the audience to keep them engaged. Therefore any story that wants to be taken seriously must stay away from it.Hot girls in bikini is somewhat understandable in a high school/family setting. However, if nothing important to the plot happens during this then it is fanservice.Onsen, bathroom and dress room scenes are almost always gratuitous softcore pornography scenes that add nothing to the story and characters.
>>288137123Why is this so hard for people to understand?
>>288137123>Therefore any story that wants to be taken seriously must stay away from it.counterpoint: there is a huge amount of japanese media (arguably, the majority) that does not care about its story being "taken seriously" at all, and which is explicitly meant to be enjoyed as gratuitous/casual entertainment (to varying degrees), yet westerners still bitch about fanservice in those. moreover, fanservice/sexual gratuity with no relevance to the plot is still an extremely common feature of western media, it's just presented in a way that appeals more to western sensibilities.
>>288137105We are normalfags
>>288136794Because they are gay.
>>288137123Not everything that happens in a story has to be relevant to the plot. Some breaks can be good just to show the characters or other parts of the setting without any direct impact on anything else.
Anything men might like is harambe
Some people can't separate fiction from reality
>>288137550It's true but OP asked why western normies hate it.
>>288137629I hate it because it's just fiction and I know it won't happen to me
There are more American coomers than puritans. Twitter isn’t the population majority.
Because fanservice only appeals to actual fans of anime.
>>288137123>Fanservice is by definition vulgarThat is not true, ecchi isnt the only kind of fanservice.For example in Saint Seiya the fanservice is getting the 12 Gold Saints together to perform a single powerful attack.
The Child Protection Act of 1984 set the minimum age of appearing in sexual content to 18 (up from 16 which was set in 1978.) There are carve outs for art and drawings but if it's judged obscene it doesn't matter. The average person only knows the 18 year old part, and if you're under like 50 you've known that to be true your entire life. Learning how the Saturday morning dubs changed things and finding the anime boobies was part of becoming a bigger weeb.People who started their anime journey in the 2010s with streaming services got the corporate safe stuff that actually acknowledged Japan got rid of the baruma gym uniforms in the 90s and didn't use a 20 second shower scene to sell VHS tapes. The non-consensual nature of all the old bullshit turns off people who have seen real life bullshit happen to their favorite real life child actors.
>>288136794Unironically because they are racist.They glorify american movies and shows about teenagers doing drugs, fucking random people every day and shit like that ugly Bad Mouth cartoon but if they see an atractive anime girl they lose their mind
>>288136794I'm not sure that what you propose is aligned with reality. Nickelodeons, cabarets, and peep shows have been a thing since the 1800s. Fanservice itself is rife in advertising- just watch any sports programming and you'll eventually (in between the insurance and Ozempic ads) get a cologne or alcohol as with a woman writhing on-camera for no reason. Animation has been welcomed and considered novel among the American audiences since Steamboat Willy. The combination of fanservice and animation was never considered that strange, all considered. R. Crumb and Ralph Bakshi made entire careers off of "shocking the world" with smut schlock. Dan DeCarlo drew pinup gals before Archie, and men's magazine one-panel gag comics after. Tijuana bibles were huge inthe Depression. What (You) really mean is: "why can't I talk about anime tiddies without scaring the hoes"? The answer is "the Japanese make it weird sometimes so now people assume it's weird all the time".
>>288136794We love fanservice here
>>288137971>Correction is necessaryFucking brat
>>288138354>No corrections madeYou lost, ojisan.
Fanservice improves hight art. Think of Bakemonogatari and the 30 seconds pantyshot. Or the tasteful naked scenes in Evangelion.A series that just relies on fanservice is trash though. I'm not watching slop like Valkyrie Drive or Isekai Reviewers.
>>288137123You can say this about any strong emotion. Fear, anger, sadness, etc. invoking certain feelings is part and parcel of artistic works, lust included.
>>288136794Because they were told to hate it by failed lit student reviewers like demo and the ponyfaggot, and all their subhuman copycat spawn that came after, like the 3 suckdickteers underage retards keep shilling here.Before the advent of that AIDS anime & manga discussions was actually bearable in the west, without some irony steeped retard going:>Ooofuh... you know... this is a good series but erm... the fanservice is... really problematic... OOoOOhHOhhHH the FANSERVICE OOOOoOohOHhhhHh
>>288139745See? Case in point >>288137123>>288137159Because it's unironically pseud babble.>NOOOO take me seriously TAKE ME SERIOUSLY the cartoons I watch take themselves SERIOUSLY too so YOU have too as well!Pure, unadulterated mindworms from failed lit students. Figures >>288138804 neither of you responded to this anon completely deconstructing this faggoty, restrictive mindset projected unto creation.
>>288137971>taking into consideration the European and North American demopgrahicIt's so cancerous how utterly conquered by the west Japan is that this is something they even fucking think about while creating new shows, comics and games. Sickening.
>>288139806because the premise that hormonal responses associated with cognition such as anger and sadness are the same as the basic reproductive drive of any given species is falsethis topic might be beyond you, dude
>>288140216>one hormonal response GOOD>other BAD... because it just is okay?!?!?!Nah, that'd be you, inconsistent fag.
>>288136794Decades of propaganda against everything masculine and the demonization of masculinity in general have conditioned many to feel ashamed of being vocal about liking pretty women, regardless of 2D or 3D(PD). Humans, as social animals, have a tendency of following the group they feel they are part of, and this behavior also applies in the context of internet social networks. What most call "virtue signaling" is, in fact, the manifestation of this instinct in actions, it's a way of self-affirmation that they are part of their specific group.Finally, combine all the elements above, and it's easy to see how we got into this mess: throughout the world an entire generation (or even more than one) was taught about "how terrible negative and bad being masculine is", conditioning many social groups to assimilate this idea, which in turn made it into a part of their self-affirmation actions of their respective groups.
>>288140230making an elephant angry or sad is much harder than making it hornycomplexity matters so no, your porn is not good storytelling
>>288137123>story that wants to be taken seriouslymind you, the post by proxy was about fags that just watched AoT, Death Note and Tokyo Ghoul combo and perceived themselves as anime watchers so yes, you are completely right. just make sure not to watch anything besides Reddit special of the season and all is gucci.
>>288140295>some autistic, conveniently crafted idiomNo? Making people angry is extremely easy.Cheap character deaths for cheap tragedyboners, sudden/nonsensical shifts in behavior causing them to make weird decisions, endless filler, etc. The list goes on and on.>pornAnd this is where you completely jumped the shark and start sounding like a puritan tourist, which again, just proves me right once again.
>>288140462I don't know how you can add a pejorative adjective to describe how X and Y can be done wrong and then immediately pretend you didn't add a pejorative adjective in order to make a comparisonit wasn't an idiom by the way, it was very literalI'm ending our conversation here, midwits are hopeless
>>288137123>Onsen, bathroom and dress room scenes are almost always gratuitous softcore pornography scenes that add nothing to the story and characters.They also enhance immersion and portray characters' daily life and body awareness which is natural. Western-american apprehension with the human body and escapism from daily life (lack of slice of life content) is unnatural.>Fanservice is by definition vulgar and an attempt at instilling lust upon the audience to keep them engaged. Therefore any story that wants to be taken seriously must stay away from it.The west can't fathom one piece of media being simultaneously delightful and meaningful, because in western eyes, a piece of media has to be either dedicated as a piece of propaganda for a holy cause, or as a dirty piece of carnal fun, which can't coexist. It's bipolar and hypocritical. The Japanese are able to accept everything as part of holistic reality.
>>288140845Nah, you're "ending it" because I highlighted how retarded and inconsistent your "logic" here is, which is why instead of attacking the content of my argument you are deflecting by sperging out about "pejoratives" now.>>288140862Arguing with puritan tourist subhumans is an exercise in futility, as demonstrated by the chain I just had. They don't care about being intellectually honest, just trying to shut down fanservice entirely, as instructed by their fellow failed lit student e-celeb anime reviewers.>it's bad because it is LE PORN and cheap>"okay well other emotions are evoked by cheap methods all the time, too">T-THAT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE YOU SAID A NO NO WORD!This is the absolute "maturity" of these "people".I have to say though, for all the babbling tourists do about "being taken seriously" and wanting the medium to "become more mature" by eschewing fanservice that, ironically, they behave in the most puerile way imaginable.
>>288136794because the way it's done is usually childish and clumsy. Hot, lewd, and all that kind of people and scenarios exist in all kinds of media but the execution varies wildly. It's a cultural gap that some can roll with while some cringe at. It shouldn't matter though as long as the japanese audience likes it
Westoids are faggots
>>288141032I don't see that much of a difference compared to how sexual themes are handled by most western media. It's usually just showing off actresses naked because they can. No one is going to convince me that all those high school party movies and shows where they show some young woman topless is "high brow lvdokino" compared to fucking anime lmfaoThe only "serious" instances of sexual themes is something like the Alien series, with its phallic and yonic imagery/designs on the creatures and forced impregnation (and eventual death) of men and women obviously being about rape.
>>288138744>Think of Bakemonogatari and the 30 seconds pantyshot.You literally couldn't use a worse example to prove your point. Bakemonogatari is one of the primest examples of how fanservice can ruin an otherwise good anime.You could've at least chosen the toothbrush scene, at least that was creative.>>288138804>You can say this about any strong emotion. Fear, anger, sadness, etc.Ever heard about "forced drama"?Yes, every strong emotion is bad when it's done at inappropriate times and/or without justifiable purpose>>288139745>Before the advent of that AIDS anime & manga discussions was actually bearable in the westYes because brainless coomers like you were universally shamed and ridiculed>>288139806>NOOOO take me seriously TAKE ME SERIOUSLY the cartoons I watch take themselves SERIOUSLY too so YOU have too as well!Maybe you're the one who should go back to cartoons, since anime generally take themselves much more seriously than other animation.Or maybe the only anime you watched are Aika, Kiss x Sis and mistakenly believe that's how all anime are.>"AH-HA! You didn't respond to this post made just less than 1 hour before! I WIN!"I already smashed to bits your le epic degonstrooction shortly above, sorry for not making it in time>>288140270>Decades of propaganda against Fuck off revisionist, fanservice has been universally frowned upon since decades before anti-masculine propaganda even started existing (and probably even before you were even born); the concept of *having artistic standards* existed since the dawn of mankind.
>>288137123>Jojo picRedditors out themselves every single time.
>>288141304>oomerNope, retarded tourists like you were dunked on for huffing your own farts this hard. No amount of revisionism or tourist seethe will change that.>smashed to bitsScreeching "ANY SKIN SHOWN IS PORN PORN POOOOOOOOOORN" and screeching out off-topic -oomer words is not an argument, it's effeminate histrionics.>>288141334It really is funny how it's almost every single time. The ironic weeaboo normalfaggot marks will always shine through whatever pseud babble they post.
Also>when it's heckin appropriate to do [thing] it's fine!!!111!!!!This is the surest sign of a failed lit student subhuman. Anyone who approaches creation with this mindset will never, ever make anything memorable, and every single famous director, illustrator, musician, etc. would call you a retarded faggot for thinking this way.
>>288136794It's a complicated subject that veers into /pol/ territory that I don't wish to get into.The gist of it is that Puritanism gets forced on populations when they get too free in order to force them to be subjugated at the mind level.To use an archaic psychology comparison, it's an attack on the SuperEgo to subjugate the id. Because your ideal of wanting to look normal overrides your base instincts for tits, boobs, ass, fun.People who are freaking out at titties and panty shots to the point of complaining and censoring it are freaking out about lots of problems in their lives, not just this. The freakout over fanservice is a projection of the things they can't control by being overly aggressive toward the things they can. This is why Puritanism always makes a comeback when people's lives get worse, and this has been the trend for all recorded history.
>>288136997It's funny how, in America, you can't show a sitcom about High Schoolers growing attracted to each other and forming sexual relationships despite the fact this is by far the norm, but multiple prime-time shows have depicted school shootings. The western way isn't to do something gross like sexualize the teen, but to shoot them.
It represents a lack of confidence in the work by the creators that they have to promise t&a to retain a less media literate audience instead.Inherently, fanservice is the lack of passion for animation and storytelling.
>>288141420>ArgScreeching "ANY SKIN SHOWN IS PORN PORN POOOOOOOOOORN" and screeching out off-topic -oomer words is not an argumentStrawmanning isn't an argument either.Concession accepted, anyway.
>>288141474This too is an illustration of slavery at the SuperEgo level. The little voice that tells you to behave as society sees you is usually ignored in private, but in repressive societies, the concept of "private space" where you're free to think and feel how you really want to feel disappears. So suddenly, the idea of 'appropriateness' dominates all aspects of thinking. Nobody would ever call pic related inappropriate for consumption, a simple beach trip would prove that. It is inappropriate if you feel you must be everyone else's definition of appropriate at all times. >>288141304Like this, a slave to his mental projections, he assumes all signs of inappropriateness is porn. Anywhere, all of it. All depictions of the human body are related to 'coomers' as this is what society has ingrained in his mind as being appropriate.Never mind anime and manga now is way more conservative now than it was 30 years ago, he wasn't mentally raped by various political ideologies to think those were bad back then. Now that he has, he complains about it.
>>288141546the hell are you talking about? A good chunk of teen stuff is about dudes trying to get laid and you certainly don't want to get into the shitfests revolving around teen moms
>>288141520Yes, it really is just entirely performative, like with this faggot >>288141304 here. As I mentioned in my earlier posts:>TAKE ME SERIOUSLY!I HATE THIS SLOP! SEE HOW NORMAL AND WELL ADJUSTED I AM?!?!?! LOOK LOOK LOOK, I SAID IT AGAIN!!!>>288141617Ironic, considering the "good ol' days" that tourist ironic weeb retards pine for, despite never living through that era, had the most flagrant use of sporadic female nudity and shenanigans.>>288141680Confession denied and projection acknowledged. All you did was sperg out about me highlighting your performative faggotry for being the pseud babble it is, while dreaming up some boogeyman about Kiss x Sis and whatnot, instead of the actual points in my posts.As is the case for all fanservice seething retards.>>288141692You're making too much sense. These subhumans here just want to say "FANSERVICE... BAD!!!!" and have a sitcom laugh + applause track play, as was instructed by their idols on youtube.
>>288141680The word "Coomer" is in itself a strawman that you're fine with using literally all of the time, multiple in this thread, until it has become part of your common dialectic, but don't let that stop your SuperEgo driven outrage trip.Anyway, fun talk. I would get into WHY you were conned by various political movements into hating beauty, but that's /pol/ and we don't do that here. Instead, here is my favorite neptunia character. I wish she was in the anime.
>>288141794It used to be actually delete/vacation worth here, too, since it was off topic tourist cancerspeak, but alas.
>>288141736>the hell are you talking about? A good chunk of teen stuff is about dudes trying to get laid and you certainly don't want to get into the shitfests revolving around teen momsYou can't show dudes actually getting laid, getting into the nitty gritty and sexual messiness of relationships as this crosses the line of simply talking about it to actually showing it. For instance, you can talk about teen moms, you cannot show the relationship and ritual that went into creating that teen mom. Anime routinely does this, on the other hand. However, you can and many have shown all of these teens in this age range getting shot live on prime time. The problem is priorities are messed up in general.
>>288141813>worthWorthy*
>>288141546you used to
>>288136794>the Western audienceLatinx from the global south hate fanservice more than westerners
>>288141758>Yes, it really is just entirely performative, like with this faggot >>288141304 here. As I mentioned in my earlier posts:Performative is also a relative term, to them it's entirely real. It's real because the part of their mind which demands societal acceptance demands they think that way. But logically, they would realize it's entirely fake, and nobody is scoring them in their private life. The problem is they do not have the autonomy to make this self-reflection. This is why they fall for various political beliefs in the first place which rob themselves of autonomy.
>>288141891This is true for many things, we "used" to have sitcoms like That 70's Show that would show two teens implied fucking on network TV. Anime "used" to have zero filter on what kind of content got shown at all hours of the day, putting nipples and panties wherever they would fit. Things have changed, predatory mindsets have taken over the creative industry, and they thrive on making people feel ashamed for being human.
>>288141929That's still classified as the west. People don't just say "western" because of the relative location from Japan/asian countries, it's also often said because it's countries in the western hemisphere. All of north, central and southern America is afflicted with these mindworms, as is nearly all of europe, too.I doubt you'd find someone in asian regions referring to central/south america as "global south", when their cultures + ancestry are originall from the west, too.>>288141955Good observation. They're so beholden to the dogma that it's become their reality,. This is probably yet another reason for the kneejerk, effeminate histrionics when it's challenged in any fashion, or when other people aren't chimping out about it too. Kind of like those always panicked, doom and gloom kinds of people are, screeching from the rooftops about how other people need to be as worried about current thing as they are.
>>288136794Because normalfags are retarded, and garbage, and should all die.
>>288137123>Fanservice is by definition vulgar and an attempt at instilling lust upon the audience to keep them engaged. Therefore any story that wants to be taken seriously must stay away from it.this is literally the kind of snake oil that Christian Pastors preach when they say interest in your own body is that of the devil. You've just replaced "The Devil" with "Be Taken Seriously", but you're still making some magic argument that the human body degrades or subtracts from something. Taking a camera to the beach doesn't subtract from the human experience or dehumanize anyone there.
>>288142075It's really weird how, despite how increasingly atheistic the western world has become, that performative morality has only increased. At a disproportionately exponential rate at that.
>>288141955>that imagewhy is that nigger mad most new propaganda vidya is funded with taxpayer money
>>288141833Bro's never seen Euphoria
>>288141617>t. most retarded statement in the thread
>>288142195And, unfortunately, these retards' minds are so degraded after drinking the koolaid they'll never realize that reality, actual reality, disagrees with them. I stand by what I said earlier that any notable director, etc. would call them retarded faggots if they ever shared this mindset with them. Definitely any ones from history, and honestly even in modern times there's a good chance that all the younger blood in film/tv, literature, etc. would say the same.It's simply a retarded, restrictive mindset to have and also to project unto IPs.
I'm confused as to what fanservice even means in this thread. Even stuff like scooby doo has beach scenes and dedicated frames to showing off the girls
>>288142134Abused mammals will not reproduce little broAnd humans need to rationalize this instinct by rejecting anything sexual
>>288141617>It represents a lack of confidence in the work by the creators that they have to promise t&a to retain a less media literate audience instead.
>>288141617>if I just say words that'll mean something
>>288142134It's not weird at all. In every society in recorded history: Puritanism increases as lives become worse. It's simply a projection of hating the things you can control, which is consumption of media, to lash out at the things you can't. Which is the degradation of living conditions in general.
>>288142313The modern twitter goblins in /co/ can and do call the beach scenes in things like Scooby Doo and what they used to refer to as "Cheesecake" as the result of coomer brain.It's not just us, arguably, /co/ and western cartoons fell loooooong before Anime and Video games did.
>>288136794Feminism. Next question.
>>288142313The thing is that normalfag ironic weebs are simply told to hate fanservice and to keep repeating that ad nauseam. Most of it, anyway. They give a pass to shit like Bisque Doll because their youtuber gods told them to, or to ACTUAL """softcore porn""" series like Ishuzoku Reviewers, because their e-celeb anime reviewer gods told them it's okay to like those series ironically because they are heckin' wacky and self aware or some dumb shit.>It's trash that knows it! xDDDAnd they'll tell their other normalfag friends who show even an inkling of interest in anime and manga that they like the heckin' epic wacky sex series xD to get shocked reactions out of them.
>>288142427One such example that caused a massive row with 200 posts: This page which was posted on old /co/ pretty much any time Starfire was mentioned. Likely an older page than most people who post on /co/, now. Searching the /co/ archives for the word 'coomer' shows just how many not only have surrendered to the social conditioning, but now outright embrace it, and despise what the board and their culture once was.
>>288142510/tg/ is another such board. Once the hub of creative culture on 4channel, now a husk of performative outrage and anger at the legendary fanservice their own hobby used to relish in. Nested in generals which were also about that fanservice and pornographic storytelling, now a hive of discontent for their own hobby as they struggle to fit the broken pieces of it into holes which fit nicely in their 'tabletop was never for coomers' narratives.
>>288142510>>288142570it's by design mods and jannies are actual trannies and enable this behavior (confirmed on their xitter profiles laden with pronouns from the leaks)we have one such tranny janny on /a/ who shat his diaper all over the catalog last year in the Bocchi the Rock censorship threadswhere the dumb feminist cunt screenwriter who is grooming her son into being a tranny called the fanservice she censored out of Bocchi "noise"he was deleting posts all over the threads and spamming the words they use everywhere like coomer gooner incel chud the whole timereminder coomer only got filtered for a few weeks years ago but goyslop got filtered almost instantly until niggers looped around it and they gave up
In conclusion, /a/ is really the only board that has managed to resist the flood of twitter memes and /pol/brained schizophrenia, brought upon by extreme psychological conditioning by toxic relationships to political movements. I would like to take a moment to thank Saint Chloe and the Cups for keeping the culture warriors and their retarded beliefs at bay by ensuring none of them will ever want to post on a pro-loli board.
>>288141617nice making some fags seethe I somewhat agree with your conclusion
>>288142673based, pretending to be retarded to make someone seethe is the highest goal in life.
>"I want to draw it">"I want to see"Isn't there someone you forgot to ask? Because in the west men live under total gynocratic control, and male sexuality is demonized while women's sexuality and things adjacent like male homosexuality are celebrated. It's that simple. Anyone else offering an alternative 'explanation' is obfuscating reality.
>>288142673Do you get some kind of medal or points for getting triggered at depictions of the human body in undress? I'm just wondering if you do it for free.
>>288142722Probably the most succinct a post can get while mentioning every facet of the retardation plaguing these mediums.
>>288142722I would agree but women don't like living under this system, either. They're just as repressed as we are, and their media is targeted as well.
>but what about teh wymynz
>>288136794American puritanism (doesn't matter if it's conservative or progressive) and social media spreading it around the world.
>>288142848This is really all it is.
>>288142670based chloe
>>288141420>whatever pseud babble they postSo basically you're talking about yourself, got it. Fucking dumb faggot.
>>288142927Nope, I'm explicitly talking about the retards who conveniently craft up arbitrary rules and conditions for "what stuff is good and what isn't" in literature, film, etc. and then don't universally apply those rules in every instance because it highlights how retarded and restrictive their "logic" is.Try again retard
>>288142670Sister Shinobu is here too.
>>288142803>men afflicted with AIDS, women most affectedI'm sorry, but this is just patently false in every single medium. Let's go over this:>Anime & MangaI have never seen a shoujo or jousei manga get an anime adaptation that is as thoroughly censored as most shounen and seinen series are, now. I can't really think of any that are censored, honestly.Most series with any fanservice the fanservice gets censored, and "normal" ecchi series almost always have nudity censored now and even make the women more masculine. Barbaroi Hime censored all the nudity and made the female lead muscular.Mob kara Hajimaru censored Syll's outfit and lopped off almost all of her boobs.BokuYaba censored the edgy MC's delusions of the female lead being naked and bleeding, calling his classmate a slut and cutting off her head, etc.>video games, literature, even western comicsMale series' characters get censored, boobs get lopped off and new female designs are all androgynous. Women take on masculine roles in them. Meanwhile, female series are untouched, with tall, muscular thirst trap pretty boys as far as the eye can see.Where's all the dysgenic men in women's series being pushed as the new beauty standard?Where's the censorship? I don't see any male characters being put into less revealing outfits/situations, musculature toned down, etc.What lala candy cane gumdrop world are you living in, bro?
>>288141546Violence good, sexual stuff bad.Guns legal, lolicon banned.
>>288143294>Where's the censorship? I don't see any male characters being put into less revealing outfits/situations, musculature toned down, etc.The Soÿboy archetype of strong man who is a redditor at heart is exactly this kind of censorship for women. As is all dialogue with "millennial-isms" and redditspeak. The censorship of their media is in lockstep with ours, but their focus is on characterization, character interaction, and maturity. Women love mature, strong men who are as brutish as they look. The women who pretend they don't are like the broken men who come to /a/ and whine about coomers. And there are altchans full of fujos where they sound almost exactly like us, bemoaning the death of the manly man with a sharp wit and intellect as opposed to the redditor-hits-the-gym who can only speak in these words.
>>288143294That's because men don't complain about it, women complained so much studios actually believe it affect their sales and not just perception so they changed those very nice things, if men actually started to complain about stuff like that on shows for women then a change might happen, but since most guys just shut up and bear with it then only stuff for guys will keep getting the short end of the stick.
>>288137123Viewing a story as mature if it only does specific things is pretty childish way to look at it though. Gore is also needless yet doesn’t get the same treatment.
>>288143582>the 8 foot tall vampire billionaire using millenialspeak is totally comparable to the butchering female characters have endured in male media, despite looking and behaving the exact same as they always did for decades where it matters (my soft rapey tall thirst trap who will protect me uwu)Come the fuck on, man.>>288143734Nah, it's just because of what this anon said >>288142722.
>>288143774The thing is these tourist retards don't care about being intellectually honest/consistent here. They totally drop the "muh maturity" shit when they cheer on fanservice of male characters, violence/gore, etc.
>>288143774Gore is an interesting topic to me. There's a shitload of violence and excessive force in media all around the world which naturally should carry gore right along with it, yet there's this odd relationship the 2 have. It's like people love violence, especially righteous violence, but don't like what it entails. Countless fireballs and sword slashes get thrown but there's relatively consequences from them. Just an observation
Old western cartoons used to have pantyshots.
y'all missing the fucking whole point
>>288143791>>the 8 foot tall vampire billionaire using millenialspeak is totally comparable to the butchering female characters have endured in male media,At no point did I say it was COMPARABLE, I said that their censorship is different from our censorship. To women, even if you are an 8 foot tall vampire, if you immediately say "WELL, THAT JUST HAPPENED" you look less masculine than the actual redditors do saying it. Again, not a woman, but for a classic example of their kind of censorship, look at James Bond. A man's man who was renowned for being precise, efficient, always having a plan, never being out-witted. Turned into a blonde sobbing mess who cries in his hotel room after shooting someone. Then turned into a black woman. Is it comparable to an all-front war against men's hobbies resulting in literal banking and financial institutions blacklisting entire countries and thousands of laws and regulatory bodies being created just to make sure Men can't get their rocks off. But at the same time: This is what they have to do in order to enforce their will. Men are not known for simply laying down and taking something, women are. Women surrendered when their romance novels started being packed with safe-horny, and then they embraced fucking literal humanoid dogs and bears over the classic Fabio and Conan the Barbarian archetype that used to dominate it. Men continue to hold on to boobs, tits, fanservice to this day despite far more effect being poured into snuffing it out. Honestly, I take that as being a point of pride as I continue to love big-chested Senrans.
>>288143901Dragon Ball is one of the series that handled it the best IMO. Super powered beings should have super powerful resistance. The stronger someone is, the more easily they brush off the attacks.When the characters are more evenly matched they start showing signs of damage, and if they are outclassed they often do get mangled in some fashion. Ran through by beam attacks with gaping holes left behind, limbs severed, etc.It's actually weirder when some fantasy series (especially isekai) sets up some whole power scaling shit *with stats* and then the characters still get deep flesh wounds from a horned rabbit with 15 Attack while having 100000000000000 Defense. I've seen that enough times to get pissed off by it. The fuck is the point of having a stat system in the first place if your characters can be "caught off guard" and potentially oneshot by a weak monster lmfao
>>288136794Because teens/young adults in the West don't have sex. They are becoming increasingly puritan.
>>288143774Gore an unfortunate reality that many human generations were forced to face. We are a violent species and gore is a byproduct that can be used in storytelling to convey a message or ask for self-reflection.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so9CoSC4-J0This scene is one of the most iconic scenes in movie history and it is full of gore, it is not needless, it is realistic and praised for its verisimilitude by the people that were there. Your naked loli covered in soap can't hold a candle to it, it is not comparable to it in any way. I hate how dumb you niggers are.You wanna coom, go ahead and coom. Don't pretend that shit doesn't negatively affect the story and don't pretend you can gaslight others into thinking otherwise.
>>288143982>They're just as repressed as we are, and their media is targeted as well.If their "repression" is "oh noes the still-conventionally-attractive-male characters in our media who is lusting after (me) said "hella" or let that sink in" then it isn't "just as bad", which you did claim originally.>james bondThat is a series that originally had an almost entirely male target audience.>Women surrendered when their romance novels started being packed with safe-horny, and then they embraced fucking literal humanoid dogs and bears over the classic Fabio and Conan the Barbarian archetype that used to dominate it.That's still present in women's erotic literature, though? It was always a mixture of human and humanoid monsters/men who turn into monsters.Twilight would not have been nearly as popular if Edward looked like Nosferatu lmfao, and they wouldn't dare to change his looks.
>>288136794Because it treats sex as if it only exists for men's pleasure and nothing else. Nobody watching this stuff is a normal person, and nobody who defends it can beat the allegations they are a coomer/gooner. Sometimes sex and sexy shit can improve shit most of the time it is pointless mindless OOH LOOK AT DEM TIDDIES MHM! The real problem is how the superfans of this shit have zero taste in anything good and are watching/reading purely to smash their own shit. The problem is obvious but arguing about it with these fucking retards will be endless these fatfuck neckbeards battle to the end to prove that getting their dick hard at seeing animated panties and boobies is somehow REALLY GOOD for them. Also anybody who says western as if they aren't from the west is a giant fucking weeaboo. As typical there is no real conversation to be had here.
>>288142974Yes, nearly everyone has their own personal rules of what they think is """okay""" or not in fictional media and they won't apply it equally to everything because the world isn't fucking black and white, nothing is ever that simple when different perspectives on morality and subjective feels get involved. You aren't talking about something purely """logical""" here. And btw your own perspective on fanservice is the most retarded shit I've read in ages, all I can say is thank god your sorry ass isn't hired in any japanese studio. Now please shut the fuck up and ideally consider the rope.
>>288144409>hurrr yeah they're inconsistentWhich is the entire issue, dumbass, when you are trying to appear like a god speaking objective, unquestionable gospel on the matter.>ur perspective badThe perspective that "people should be able to create things without these arbitrary conditions, dreamt up by literal brainwashed autistics, affect them or how they write their stuff"?lmfao
>>288144489I always think he's wearing a leaf blower from that thumbnail.
>>288144768kek probably apt, considering what kind of performative morality faggots are in this thread
>>288144489No, now you're changing it. I was referring to YOUR own specific "arbitrary conditions" that you made on fanservice:>>288137123>it's by definition vulgar (to you)>gratuitous (according to you)>any story that wants to be taken seriously must stay away from it (again, according to you as an individual)That's what I was calling fucking stupid and now hypocritical. You're being the "god speaking objective" and saying it's vulgar and shit when in reality that's a subjective point that varies from person to person.
>>288144823>everything is subjective broWoah... that's so deep, bro...
>>288144930Yep, we were discussing things that are fundamentally subjective. Enjoy being retarded, have a good day.
>>288144823Oh, so this is a case of a retard with zero reading comprehension/who literally just can't read mistaking me for that performative ironic weeb retard earlier in the thread.
>>288136794I like when fanservice comes up naturally in the course of events. I dislike fanservice that is forced. It's really as simple as that. If a series is specifically trying to be ecchi, that's one thing, and plays by different rules. But for everything else, actually show some creativity and good writing if you're going to do it. Do flash pantsu in situations where pantsu would actually get flashed. Bounce a boob when a boob would normally be bounced. Do design characters and their outfits to be attractive. Have a perverted "cameraman" that sets up sneaky shots on occasion, but make it comedic and fun. All that stuff is just flirtation with the audience, it's a positive thing. But don't just throw in a random cliched beach episode where it's obvious the only reason it's happening is to put characters in bikinis and then lewd on the bikini-clad girls, that's boring. Don't be boring. A boring anime just wastes my time and that makes me mad.I can tell when the animators are just having fun and seeing what they can get away with, and I can tell when it's some executive with a spreadsheet determining the exact formula of when to insert fanservice into something to boost ratings at specific times in the schedule so they can hit some kind of metrics on their powerpoint presentation later to the money people. I want to be entertained, not consume product.
>>288143911It used to be seen as weird if your cartoon didn't. ESPECIALLY if you wrote a comic book.
>>288144174I mean sure, it doesn't make much sense to us because we're male.>That's still present in women's erotic literature, though? It's like our fanservice, pantsu and boobs are still out there and made even today, but the general sensibility to simply be able to find it anywhere you desire has gone WAY DOWN.
>>288145027Then why did you.. what.. ..I'm gonna go outside now, good fucking god
>>288145255You either mistook me for the fag who posted that jojo pic or something, don't ask me. I've been one-track shitting on the anti-fanservice insects in this thread for hours now.
>>288145254Anon women's erotica is in fucking supermarkets lmfao, they aren't scouring the planet at all to see their fanservice.Meanwhile the only titillation left for men is in "wacky xD self aware trash" ecchi series or gacha shit they have to dump thousands of dollars and hours into. Anything mainstream is already raped.
>>288145419>Anon women's erotica is in fucking supermarkets lmfao, Ours is too, but the stuff there sucks, the same has happened to them. We could go watch faggot pozzed bullshit, and there's plenty of stuff for that. Nobody wants it. Even the people it's aimed at and the people who made it don't want it.
>>288137123You're not a real JoJofag if you think this.
If you want fanservice done right, watch Yama no Susume. The girls are all constantly casually sexy, and other than the bra OVA everything came about naturally through the story and characters.
Zoomers are fucking gay
>>288137996>Unironically because they are racist.This. It really is this. I didn't realize it for years either, but western journalists, animators and game devs were so hostile towards Japanese anime/games out of both jealously and racism.
>>288136794>the Western audienceWho fucking cares
>>288145685Pointless to even mention this to casual shounen faggot retards. Most Dragon Ball fans are all over here and xitter crying over fanservice as "diddy ahh shit fr fr" and then conveniently ignore how OG Dragon Ball showed Bulma's panties and nipples.>>288145727There is no "fanservice done right/done wrong", it's just there, retard.
>>288136794They have an invisible normalfag on their shoulder telling them what is right and what is irredeemably cringe.
>>288137123BASED BASED BASED BASED
>>288145824Of course execution matters. Animation can be done right or wrong. Story can be done right or wrong. Character design can be done right or wrong. Everything can be done right or wrong and that includes fanservice. There is skill involved in every aspect of every creative endeavor. Some are more skilled than others. Some have no skill at all.
>>288145104>I like when fanservice comes up naturally in the course of events. I dislike fanservice that is forced.I bet you can't even define what forced fanservice is>beach episodebikinis are natural in beach episodes >I want to be entertained, not consume productfalse dichotomy
>>288145920Comparing technical skill in animation or consistent writing to the inclusion of titillation is dishonest. The fact it is included at all is "unnecessary" just like all other flairs and minutia in any given IP. There is no "done bad/done well", and every example of "bad" you fags have is hyperbole.>ablooblooblooo muh SERIOUS scene to TAKE SERIOUSLY but.... BOOBS OUT OF NOWHERE?!?!?!?! errrrm, whiplash much?!?!?!?And when you actually look it's like, one bathing episode in a 300+ episode series you fags are crying over:>Ooooh this series would have been good if not... for the FANSERVICE OOoOOoHoOHhHhh the fanservice AHHHHHH IT'S JUST PURE GOONSLOPYou ironic weeb faggots are simply trying to justify shitting on series you hate and uplifting ones you like. That's all this boils down to with this "this fanservice GOOD, this other fanservice BAD" retardation.
>>288145910stop samebrowning nigger
>>288145970Natural fanservice is when the FOTM anime people told me to like have it, forced fanservice is when the ecchi series everyone told me to hate exists. Something porn addiction something something
>>288145970>bikinis are natural in beach episodesSure, and if it's an anime set in a beach town, I don't mind if everyone's in bikinis the whole time. I would complain if they weren't. But randomly going to the beach at the same point for a ratings boost as every other anime ever made, to have the same cliched scenes as every other anime, and nothing at all gained in story or character as a result, is fucking garbage. You know it's garbage. You just like it so you don't mind.If you're going to the beach, at least do something with the story and characters there. K-On did that with Mio wanting to take the band seriously and the others convincing her that having fun together as friends was a core part of what makes the band good and they were all just as invested as she was. And again with Azusa finally bonding with Yui over playing guitar after the others went to sleep. There are good ways to do it, but it requires a lot more effort and talent than 99% of the beach episodes that get shoved into anime. And you know it. You just like it so you don't mind consuming the slop you usually get.An example of doing it bad: Non Non Biyori. The girls go to the beach randomly just to put Hotaru in a bikini and make Komari jealous of her boob size and then get mistaken for a child. Nothing at all was accomplished. It's got nothing to do with the core story about iyashikei in the sticks, living a simple humble life connected to nature. It was a lot better when they were just jumping into a river from a bridge in their town and it was about Hotaru learning to appreciate her new quiet and simple life outside the city.
>>288137388>checkedyup, 4chan is fucking dead holy shit
>>288146034I'm not your strawman, and I don't know who you're quoting. Try reading my post again and attempt to understand it better. There's bad fanservice in shows I like and good fanservice in shows I dislike. I am not anti-fanservice, I'm anti-bad-fanservice.
>>288146348>>288146435>NOTHING CAN EVER HAPPEN IN A STORY IF IT ISN'T RELENTLESSLY ADVANCING THE PLOT AT ALL TIMES THEN IT'S TRASH TRASH TRAAAAAAAAASHAgain, no one is going to "take you seriously" if you keep up these faggot histrionics. These autistic, restrictive, arbitrary conditions are entirely self serving so you can jack off your ego with other failed lit student homos online about how "high brow" the media you consume is.>Hrmmm no, you see, I only like seeing middle school aged girls getting naked if there's a compelling REASON for itSurely you realize how gay you sound saying this shit, right?Please, get some self awareness, stop huffing your farts and unplug from the e-celeb reviewers rotting your brain.
>>288146452Again, I don't know who you're quoting.
>>288146480Playing stupid isn't an argument.It's impressive how normalfag argumentation always comes down to pretending like they don't understand anything.
>>288136794>Why is fanservice frowned uponSJWs messed everything up and said it was bad but that's OK since now we have full-blown softcore porn anime(anime not hentai) airing now in response.
>>288146568It's not okay because almost every normal ecchi series gets anime adaptations that are totally butchered with censorship.Previously we used to have wacky softcore porn series and normal ecchi series, now we only get the former. I don't care what tasteless retards say, I liked having a gradient of sexualization and eroticism ranging from harmless nude scenes to full on sex.Now we don't get that anymore, it's either 0 or 100.
>>288146348you just don't like slice of life anime. this has nothing to do with fanservice at this point
>>288146614No, you see, he would have totally been fine with Non Non Biyori's fanservice if the characters were talking about muh depression or something while showing off Hotaru's bikini.
>>288146613>that are totally butchered with censorship.buy the bluray you are a fan right?
>>288146707Blurays haven't uncensored shit since the advent of covid and covid weebs, retardbro.
>>288146512You pretending I'm making arguments I haven't once tried to advance anywhere in this thread and me refusing to play along with such disingenuous tactics doesn't mean I haven't made any arguments. You just don't want to engage honestly with any of them.>>288146614I literally praised two slice of life anime as examples of doing fanservice well. Maybe you should calm the fuck down and try reading posts before emotionally overreacting to them.
>>288146726Counterpoint:
>>288141891they were in college>>288141929stupidest fucking thing Ive read all year>>288141617>muh chonkin' media literacywanna know how I know youre gay?
>>288146755What counterpoint? Partial nudity?
>>288146731No, you're just mad I illustrated how retarded your "logic" is here, so you immediately devolved into being dismissive. And, as stated earlier, it did just boil down to>series I like? GOOD fanservice>series I don't like? BAD fanserviceYou can't call anyone else disingenuous here.
>>288146827BD vs TV
>No more fanservice speicalsI will not forgive the industry
>>288146863You're asserting my position is things I literally said the opposite of. That's why you're so disingenuous. I don't know who it was that hurt you, but it wasn't me. If you don't want to engage with what I'm actually saying, then go pick a fight with somebody else who is saying the things you want to argue against, if such a person even exists. I will continue to be dismissive towards you if you won't make any effort to engage in good faith.
>>288146923Oh wow, featureless Barbie tits sans steam.That just immediately evaporated the existence of censored adaptations that remained censored in BD form like Bisque Doll and basically every other ecchi from 2020 onwards.
>>288146942I did, which is why you're still insisting on playing dumb.There was absolutely nothing >>288146034 strawmanned here. Not only because that is literally the ONLY argument anti-fanservice seething retards come up with, but also because you can't put forth an example of "bad" fanservice. It was literally just>this series I liked it's fine in, this other I didn't it's bad inThat anon even called you out. Fucking how can a slice of life have "justified" fanservice? lmfaoThe entire premise of SoL is the characters just doing shit, being lighthearted, having zero stakes, etc. There isn't a single "justification" for anything the characters do, but for some reason, only one thing they do (showing skin and being jealous of boobs?????) is the GRAVEST WRITING SIN EVAR!!!1!Autism. That's all this is.
>>288147091>because that is literally the ONLY argument anti-fanservice seething retards come up withAnd yet I came up with a different argument, which you still refuse to address. And I'm not anti-fanservice, I'm anti-bad-fanservice and pro-good-fanservice, as I've explained and provided examples of. You'd rather reply to your own made-up greentext which says the opposite of what I actually said.>because you can't put forth an example of "bad" fanserviceI actually did. In a series I like, no less. One of my favorites.So now what? Going to keep strawmanning me? Of course you will. So I'll keep dismissing you as a disingenuous emotional wreck mad at things that only exist in your own head, And you'll keep making a fool of yourself with these emotional outbursts proving me correct.
>>288136794I think it's because of normalfags infiltration. Because I also notice it in my country. People used to hate censorship in general and nowadays they just suddenly hate fanservice and generally become more conservative. It's so jarring to see.
>>288147407You didn't, it's just this insistence upon some nebulous concept, and as a result of it being nebulous it allows you retards to use it as is convenient cudgel to club people over the head. To write off series you personally don't like.That's all.>I didYou didn't, you put forth a series you liked and another you didn't and said "it's good here, and it's bad in this other one", with no other reasoning other than insisting upon that same, nebulous "bad/good" concept.Textbook circular reasoning. Unfalsifiable, because it's your subjective autism being professed as objective reality.Again, it's impressive how normalfag argumentation always comes down to pretending like they don't understand anything.
>>288136794Fanservice is fine just so long as it doesn’t involve minors or incest.
>>288147520You living is not fine because you are cancer.
>>288143511Unironically yes
>>288147503Again your reading skills are inferior. I haven't mentioned a single series I dislike in this entire thread, and you'd know that if you actually read my posts instead of emotionally overreacting to them. I gave specific reasons as to why I was taking the positions I was taking in the specific examples I was giving. Just because you're unable to falsify them (because they're correct) doesn't mean they're unfalsifiable statements. I haven't pretended not to understand anything. You on the other hand have had to continually make up fake quotes to strawman me, because you're actually unable to understand anything. You'd prefer to argue with the made up people in your head. That's fine, that's your right to be an idiot. But I'm going to keep pointing out that's what you're doing every time you reply to me and misrepresent my positions.
>>288147555>He unironically wants to see kids and relatives sexualizedEpstein ahh unc behavior.
>>288147627Again, dismissively pretending like you don't understand anything and that your opponents are hysterical instead of addressing their points is not an argument.>because they're correctThis is you openly admitting that you never had the intention of approaching this discussion in good faith, by the way. Not a good look.>strawmanAgain, that would first require an argument to be presented.>THERE'S BAD/GOOD FANSERVICE AND I'M RIGHT LALALA CAN'T HEAR YOUIs NOT an argument. That's just fallacious faggotry and shitposting.Notice how you conveniently dodged what I said about SoL series and fanservice in this >>288147091 post here since it completely and utterly BTFOs your non-argument here. That tells one all they need to know that this entire chain is just projection on your end.Don't worry though, I understand that this is how normalfaggot fanservice seethers have to operate. That's because there isn't actually an argument to be made against it, just effeminate histrionics and endless handwaving.
>>288136794I wouldn't say it's the entire reason as there's many, but one thing I've noticed a lot is that people have this incessant need to be taken very very seriously and treated like a very big boy who consumes mature media for mature adults, and things like gratuitous fanservice gets in the way of that because they perceive that as (somewhat ironically given its pornographic nature) immature content for teenagers, not something the big boy mature adult like themselves would consume.
>>288147765Do you honestly think it's mature to be excessively horny?
>>288141304>Bakemonogatari is one of the primest examples of how fanservice can ruin an otherwise good animeThis is the dumbest thing I've ever read on this godforsaken website. gb2reddit.
>>288147823I don't care if it's mature or not because I don't give a fuck about the opinions of others regarding things I enjoy
>>288147742If you didn't act hysterical I wouldn't be noting how hysterical you are. It's an easy fix on your part.I didn't bother addressing your dumb question because I already answered it long before you asked it, earlier in the thread. I chalked it up to you being bad at reading and preferring to argue with the made up people in your head instead of arguing with anything I've actually said. Maybe when you've calmed down, perhaps after this thread is archived and you've stopped seething over it, you can go back and read through it all and get your answer. I dunno, maybe I'm too optimistic here, and hope you won't just move on to another thread to be a raging schizo in.
>>288147765Yep. It's just cognitive dissonance, fallacious "reasoning" and retardation all the way down.>I MUST be taken seriously for my taste in cartoons!>>288147860Exactly, this is why I've been saying it's performative this whole time.>>288147823Again>Hrmmm no, you see, I only like seeing middle school aged girls getting naked if there's a compelling REASON for itHow would a hypothetical series like this be any more """""mature""""" and "high brow" than harmless fanservice series like To Love Ru?
>>288147899Internal consistency is a good thing in stories, actually.
>>288147500>normalfagsThey’re fine with normal fanservice involving sexy adult woman, hence HBO and Michael Bay films. What they’re NOT fine with is weirdo type shit fanservice involving children or blood relatives hooking up which anime tends to have as “fanservice” more often than not compared to the West’s normal scantily clad adult woman Playboy-type fanservice.The only ones protesting against ALL forms of fanservice are Puritan Christcucks or feminist bitches. The average normalfag welcomes a hot sexy woman with big breasts or steamy sex scene, the caveat here is that they just shouldn’t look like kids or involve brothers with their sisters or fathers with their daughters.
>>288147881>I didn't address it because [retardation]No, you didn't answer it when that anon brought it up and when I brought it up later, you just looped back into your circular reasoning and said "see? I'm right once again because I used my own conclusion as evidence that I'm right!"You did this mentioning K-On earlier because>the fanservice is justified in K-On because... they had fun and talked about their feelings during it!That's it. I literally called you out on this bullshit, and you said>S-STWAWMANNING WAHHHHHHHHHDon't even nigga>ablooblooblooThe only schizo here is you since you believe your own nebulous dogma dreamt up by retards telling you to think that way and cover your ears to any contrasting viewpoints.>>288147922You performative faggots don't care about that, though. DxD and Fire Force literally have fanservice play a role in the character interactions and you all wholeheartedly signed off on them as "coomerslop dogshit".Have some consistency in the way you apply your "reasoning" first.
>>288147742>Bad fanservice = involving minors or relatives>Good fanservice: = anything sexual not involving the aboveIt’s that simple.
>>288147940Except Game of Thrones, incest is OK there
>>288148084>Except Game of Thrones, incest is OK thereNah, plenty of normalfags hated it there too and stopped watching as soon as the incest was brought in.
>>288148083You're a faggot. It's fiction, all fanservice is good.
>>288148083>>288148113>literally cheer and shout for gorey scenes>get visibly upset when a camera cuts away and doesn't show blood and guts>"PHEW, thank goodness I didn't fap to that 17.999 year old high school girl though, almost became diddy ahh fr fr, it's fine though the very next day when she's 18 hehe she's legal then ;)">"Also you can't jack off to 2D girls under 18 once you hit 18 anymore fr fr that's diddy ahh shit fr fr"The sheer mental gymnastics is impressive, honestly.
>>288148083Man it must be so tiresome being a normalfag. Imaging missing out on Kodomo no Jikan and Oreimo because you were engineered into staying away from certain subjects
>>288148012>S-STWAWMANNING WAHHHHHHHHHYes, which is why you are still making up your own greentext to misrepresent what I've said. If you weren't so emotionally invested in your imaginary victory, you wouldn't need to keep doing this. You still have yet to actually address a single thing I've said, honestly, this entire time. Your efforts to gloss over that and move on to some other bullshit will continue to earn you nothing but more mockery. I'm not going to let you lead the conversation elsewhere until you actually resolved the initial conflict, if you can. I know that's frustrating for you, but all you have to do is just honestly engage with me a single time, from the beginning where you first decided to disagree with me, and we could have an actual debate and move on from there. That, or stop pretending like you're replying to me when you're really just attacking a strawman.
>>288148189>engineeredWe’re evolutionarily designed not to find kids or relatives attractive and if you then there’s genuinely something wrong with you.
>>288148164I don't really believe it in any case, I think it's just a motte and bailey attempt. There's been plenty of times normalfags have complained about adult women fanservice too because it's not le serious or it just makes them feel the ick or whatever other thing crosses their mind that day.
>>288148012I haven't seen DxD or Fire Force, so I have no opinion on them and whatever fanservice they may have. Was it always done well in your opinion? Explain why and make your case.
>>288148231>There's been plenty of times normalfags have complained about adult women fanservice too because it's not le serious or it just makes them feel the ick or whatever other thing crosses their mind that day.Those aren’t normalfags then, they’re Puritan Christfags or Feminist Communists, aka the very extremes of both Left and Right.
>>288147832>this is the dumbest thing I've ever read on this godforsaken websiteSame here, imagine watching Monogatari and not liking the ecchi.
>>288145104>natural fanserviceretarded bullshit from failed normalfags that don't belong on /a/
>muh “i-it’s only fiction argument!”No, it’s propaganda.>all fanservice is goodNot if it’s being used to promote degenerate subjects like diddling kids or relatives.>>288148231>le seriousEven if it’s taken seriously any type of pedophilia or incest in media is bad and should be banned and censored.
Too obvious of a bait, friend.
>>288148356Meant for >>288148155
>>288147520>>288147632>>288148083>>288148356>normalfag ragebait with a dash of tradcon retardationPlease just go back and kill yourselves lol
>>288148229But I guess we were evolutionary designed to find drawings attractive
>>288148368>baitYou jest but I can guarantee you there are about a million twitter and tiktok zoomers who unironically think exactly like this retard.
>>288148189>it must be so tiresome being a normalfagIt really must be, everything has to go through this morality and social acceptance filter inside their minds, otherwise they can't enjoy anything. I can kinda understand being like this for real life stuff, but for something that you do on your free time, only for yourself? Absolute retardation.
>>288148197>NOOOO THAT'S STWAWMANNING WAHHHHHHWhat you said, verbatim:>K-On did that with Mio wanting to take the band seriously and the others convincing her that having fun together as friends was a core part of what makes the band good and they were all just as invested as she wasLiterally>K-On did fanservice well because... they had fun and talked about their feelings n sheiiiiiiiit!Which is painfully retarded, mind you. Having fun and discussing your feelings and fanservice have absolutely no relation to each other whatsoever, nor do either hinge on the other's presence to be "justified" in the writing/plot.>no uNigga, you haven't addressed anything I or any other anons said in response to you, just sucked your dick and said that because you sucked your dick that means you're objectively right lmfaoCome the fuck on bro, this projection is sad.Also, VERY telling you aren't all advocating for battle damage on women showing nudity despite it "just making sense" intuitively.>>288148235Again, retard, there isn't any "done well/bad". Fanservice simply just exists in a given story. You can ridicule an artist for being unable to portray boobs or ass well, or the scenes not being erotic when that was its intent, sure, but you can't ascribe descriptors like "good/bad" to something that doesn't affect the story or its message in any meaningful way.Fanservice is just flair.Attention to detail, etc., all that jazz. Hair fluttering in the wind, boobs bouncing jiggling on impact and sharp movements. Same, harmless shit.>Hmmm no you see, these 13 year old girls being spread eagle is high brow because they talked about what career path they want to pursue later in life while Please, realize how fucking gay you sound already.>>288148353Yep, just read that green right above this line.The cognitive dissonance in these subhumans is so strong they can't even realize how fucking ridiculous they sound saying this shit. They have zero, and I mean ZERO self awareness.
>>288148229You keep swapping minors with kids. There is nothing wrong with finding a 16 year old attractive.
>>288148356So as long as the girl goes "kyaa ecchi!" and slaps the dude showing it is wrong and therfore not promoting it you are fine with pedophilia and incest.
>>288146924LvB specials go beyond fanservice into full blown masturbatory aids asking if you were "satisfied" at the end
>>288148516Considering how these faggots defended cuties it's almost certain that's what they would do, yes.
>>288148428I guess you still haven't learned to read. I was praising K-On for using a beach episode to advance the plot and themes of the show. The fanservice came naturally from the setting, but it wasn't inserted into the show just to insert some fanservice with no regard for the story being told.You're apparently not familiar with the show, so let me explain. K-On is a show about a band. Having fun together is the core of the story and why they're successful as a band. It's their on-stage chemistry that makes them good, not spending lots of time practicing in a very rigid sort of way. Learning that was important, but to learn that they had to get out of the practice room and away from their instruments. That's not a lesson that can be learned if they just stay in the practice room rigidly practicing their instruments together. They were on the beach because it was summer vacation and they needed a place to go together as a band, outside of school, where they wouldn't disturb anyone else which they would at any of their homes. One of the characters is insanely rich and has a bunch of family vacation, which are on the beach because that's the kind of place you'd have a family vacation home. As a consequence, we get girls in bikinis, and that is certainly used for fanservice.>Nigga, you haven't addressed anything I or any other anons said in response to youAs I've already addressed, I don't feel compelled to defend things I've never said and are being used by you as strawmen. If you actually talk about what I've said, I'll defend what I've said.>Also, VERY telling you aren't all advocating for...There's all sorts of non sequiturs I haven't brought up. If you're going to start listing all of the things I haven't bothered to say, we'll never reach an end to it. That's why I'm insisting you stick to what I've said, only, since that's a concrete area of established disagreement, rather than a never-ending list of strawmen in your head.
>>288148750>I wasI know, and it's retarded. The beach episode/fanservice wasn't necessary for the girls to talk about the future of the band, and using your "if it makes sense" """""logic""""" then it's just dogshit. But, it doesn't, because it just boils down to>series I like is good, series I don't BAD>having fun together is at the core of the showSo like Non Non Biyori and most other SoL? Where the "core of the show" is just everyday things happening, with very little/no stakes at all, like a beach episode?GASPCan't wait for the next>d-d-doesn't count y-you're just le silly man caricature I created!handwave.>STWAWMANAgain, literally not. You're just mindlessly repeating this instead of actually addressing the points. So much for calling anyone else disingenuous earlier.>uhhh ummmmNope, see? When your """""logic""""" is taken to its obvious end, then suddenly it's [buzzword buzzword buzzword dismissal dismissal dismissal]Just stop nigga
>>288148428>there isn't any "done well/bad".Sure there is. Every aspect of production is either done well or done poorly or somewhere in between, and just about everything can be improved in some small way at least. Everything that exists in an anime was a choice by someone, and likely multiple someones. Choices can be evaluated to determine the quality of the work.But maybe you're just a mindless consumer and you'll take whatever they give you. Do you have any opinions at all?Personally, I like watching stuff that's good.
>>288148803Since you haven't seen it, I'll explain. The core of the show for Non Non Biyori is for the Renge character to accept that it's okay to live in the country, and for Hotaru to learn about the country and nature as the audience POV which is mostly made up of city dwellers who want to be healed by an idealized version of it and numb the pain of being depressed salarymen in a cubicle. A beach episode helps with neither of those things. People living in Tokyo can and probably have been to random generic beaches before.
>>288136794because your "fan service" literally involves highschoolers in 99% of cases, which is PDF file ia.just ensure everyone is like 25 and then you can have as much fan service as you want with no issues!but anime just. . . DOESN'T
>Western audienceYou mean woke, low T, normalfag, authoritarian bred zoomer faggots I take it.
Don't like it, normies? Go watch Western cartoons. Ecchi is a historical pillar of anime. Don't listen to the Westerners. Keep ecchi in anime forever! Long live ecchi!
>>288148937fanservice should only involve kids. anyone over 14 should wear burqas so we don't have to see their disgusting hag bodies
>>288148937This is how they actually think. Christians view sex before marriage as a sin so they can dupe people into getting married and feminists view sex before the women is out of college and has a stable career where she out earns men as a sin. The really sickening part is how they try to bullshit biology with their "not fully developed brain" pseudo science to try and hide their real goal.
doesn't japan treat otakus the same way that westerners do? It's weird in both areas just less in Japan because it's more open.
>>288148991>Don't like it, normies? Go watch Western cartoons. Ecchi is a historical pillar of anime. Don't listen to the Westerners. Keep ecchi in anime forever! Long live ecchi!Ecchi is fine, just keep it to adults and non-blood related people please.>>>288148937>anime fanservice involves kids more often than notYep, and incest disturbingly enough. Listen up weebs, we have no problem with sexy naked or half-naked women or sexual content, trust us we want to see that as much as you do, but said content should actually feature WOMEN for one , and not “over 9000 year old dragons” who look like little girls. Also can the couplings just not involve siblings or parents with their children please? Like whatever happened to a normal couple that are both adults and not related? Why is this so hard to find in anime land?
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>>288148847Nope, because again, comparing some flair to technical illustrative skill or competent writing is dishonest. Again, you can criticize someone's ability to draw the female body, or the eroticism just not being on point, but fanservice simply exists and doesn't have some nebulous "good/bad" descriptor that hangs over it.>mindless consumerSaying this when you're just brainlessly repeating dogma from e-celebs is rich.>>288148895>beach episode didn't work in series I don't like and did in one I did likeOkay retard, but that's just not how reality works.>A beach episode helps with neither of those things. A beach episode helps no one decide on if they want to continue as a band or not.You lost the plot here for K-On.>People living in Tokyo can and probably have been to random generic beaches before.This has utterly no relevance to the topic at hand, just struggling to find anything to continue responding, and also why you conveniently ignored my points once again to loop back into your circular reasoning self fellation.
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>>288149349You have to keep insisting I didn't like Non Non Biyori because it completely destroys your entire worldview.
>>288147823Yes. All adults shows are about sex, on some level. All the big dramas are about who is fucking who, and the sex lives of people. ...Remember Sex & The City?
>>288149455Those are shows for women.
>>288136794Western works also always favor monogamy over polygamy.
>>288149466How about Game of Thrones? Euphoria?
>>288149517I haven't seen Euphoria, I don't know anything about it. The only person I've ever heard mention it in real life was a woman, though.The dramas in Game of Thrones were about a throne and the undead. I don't know any men who watched it because they cared about who was fucking who. But sure, that stuff probably brought in most of its female audience.
>>288145824>Most Dragon Ball fans are all over here and xitter crying over fanservice as "diddy ahh shit fr fr" and then conveniently ignore how OG Dragon Ball showed Bulma's panties and nipples.Speaking as a DBZfag, us “hood weebs” have all collectively agreed to disavow DB from canon and ignore it just like we did GT.
>>288149614I mean the inciting acts of the story are:>A girl having an affair with a married man and having a bastard child>A brother and sister fucking>A 14-year-old getting sold off to a barbarian to get fucked
>>288149408It's the only possible explanation, because>they talked about their feelings and da future n sheiiiitDoes not "justify" the fanservice in K-On over Non Non Biyori's, not like it needed it anyway. Again, these kinds of discussions in-universe and fanservice don't hinge on each other to "justify" existing in the story. They are not mutually exclusive or inclusive, nor is their coexistence mandatory. That's just your arbitrary faggot autism that you're projecting unto the IPs. For the nth time, any studio director, artist, musician, etc. would call you a dumbass for thinking this way.>>288149658>we disregard anything that isn't convenient for our faggotryWe've known normalfaggots do that.
>>288149988>It's the only possible explanationWell it's one of my favorites as I've repeatedly said, so you're just wrong. How will you cope? By continuing to deliberately misstate what I've said and not honestly engage with my actual points where I lay out what the shows are about and the specific differences between their respective beach episodes. You'll just keep asserting your strawman.>we disregard anything that isn't convenient for our faggotryOh. Guess you're a normalfag, then.
>>288144123>SEX BAD VIOLENCE GOODAmerican spotted.
>>288150232Not a golem, nope. Try again little bro.
>>288148083Holy mother of tourists.
Sexy or cute girls are beautiful, and seeing them makes me happy. Why does beauty need a justification? It's one of the few good things in life, expecially because horrible things like war and gore don't get this kind of scrutiny. Puritanism is a disease, I suggest everyone to quit all kinds of western media cold turkey for at least 5 years do detox yourself.
>>288149455You completely misunderstood the question
Name "fan service" is really dumb if you want to complain about it. Serving the viewers is the responsibility of the author. It's only common sense to make the work appealing. Unless he's writing a diary he's going to burn later of course.
>>288150340>I suggest everyone to quit all kinds of western media cold turkeyThis. Social media too. I'd say 4chan as well but it's impossible to leave.
>>288150413I've already done it. 4chan is all I have now.
>>288150232>SEX BAD VIOLENCE GOODIf it involves pedofaggotry or incest? Yes in fact.
>>288150531>nooo you can't show things in fiction people will mimic them even there are laws against it because laws do nothing>murder? nah it's cool to show that nobody would copy that they are too afraid of jail
>>288144123>Gore an unfortunate reality that many human generations were forced to face.>But not sex, that's coom that negatively impacts us Why are you and millions of Americans like this, what is your deal?>>288150246>Not a golem, nope. Golembrain, then.Literally every human who had kids had sex. Arguably very few have killed people. You're falling into what is called "Confirmation Bias" where because you're saturated with media that's about killing people, you think that's common and normal while sex is icky and coomer.>>288150531Even this guy is doing it, you know for the vast majority of human history up until the last 80-100 years, the AOC of the entire human race was 13 and up. Meanwhile, there wasn't a time in human history where going out and slaughtering for the thrill of violence was seen as good or even laudable.
>>288150531There's nothing bad in that if it's fiction, in fact a lot of lolicon illustrations, manga and doujin are straight up beautiful.
>>288150167Retards say they're fans of things all the time to try and validate their dogshit takes, no coping needed either when one looks at the rest of your intellectually dishonest behavior.>misstate what I saidI posted what you said, verbatim, deconstructed how retarded it sounds and you glossed over it entirely because it wasn't expedient for your agenda here. The only one not "honestly engaging" here is (You)>no u + ESL reading comprehensionCool>>288150340Performative retards like the faggot I'm quoting above you in this post need justification for liking something or else they fall apart at the seams. Genuinely liking something without being neck deep in irony and the regurgitated opinions of other pseuds is absolutely terrifying to them.As evidenced by him not universally applying his "logic" over """"""""""good"""""""""" fanservice and """"""""""bad"""""""""" fanservice. It just boiled down to>thing I like good>thing I don't like bad>say I like thing I don't like to try to add validity to my claim>call everyone else bad faith despite incessantly handwaving everythingYou aren't going to get an honest answer from fanservice kneejerk meltdown havers because... they literally don't have the mental faculties to address anything in good faith.
>>288150661This isn't about sex, little bro.You created a strawman to replace the empiric reality of gore being a consequence or real human violence, and then pretended that fanservice scenes with hot anime girls in little to no clothing equate to sex even though they are drawings meant to make your peepee hard so that you'll spend money on those fake girls, and not real people interacting with you.I'm saturated with hypergamy, sexual liberation everywhere and the catastrophic consequences those are having on western civilization. Not violence.
>>288150719imagine admitting to being a porn addict and then accusing other people of being cattle in the same sentence
>>288136794The West is gay, retarded, and jewish.
Must be a sharty/green reddit retard at this point.
>>288150688Having a safe outlet to get it out of their system is a good thing even. It can be the carrot keeping them in line. People against fiction are scum.
>>288150719Unfortunately not going to happen if you know the overall context of how things are now.>>288150751Was there ever any doubt?
>>288150726Sex is reality, too. Sexual feelings and eroticism is reality, too.Like I said earlier to another retard, you faggots should be championing titties popping out in anime fights because it makes sense intuitively the same way seeing blood and guts as depictions of fights progress. Instead, all you're doing is crying out that Japanese cartoons and fanservice in those series, which almost always invariably end up becoming romantic, with many series ending with the characters having children, are equivalent to all the brainrotted culture in western civilization, which is laughable at best.Also, people were making erotic cave paintings far before the woes of western civilization decline took hold of their brains and destroyed them beyond repair. I also find it humorous how many of you retards compare anime titties to the western porn industry. Probably one of the most downie things I've consistently seen sharteens do.
>>288149658the whole DB / DB(Z) distinction is unique only to you guys anyway.Toriyama's manga, all 42 volumes of it, up to and including Buu being reborn as Oob is just called "Dragon Ball".
>>288137123Anime are mere entertainment products. If a show managed to maximize the viewer's enjoyment within its runtime thanks to fan service, then that resource should be considered highly aligned with its purpose.The stupid demand that it must follow some academic guideline of a "good story" packed with social commentary and other pretentious nonsense is just straight-up literary elitism.
>>288148012DxD isn't fanservice as fanservice is something that happens on occasionDxD is a completely ecchi series with LNs going into smut territory, if series' entire premise is on lewdness fanservice by itself is redundant
>>288150845>Toriyama's manga, all 42 volumes of it, up to and including Buu being reborn as Oob is just called "Dragon Ball".There you go spouting inconvenient truths again. Let's see the olympic gold tier thought maneuvering the covid weeb will employ to "disavow" (fucking lol) the earlier parts of DB canon.
>>288150756Talking about lolicon since that's my area of interest, but there's no hard data at the moment. There are 2 main theories:>Lolicon is dangerous and could normalize pedophiliaLiterally 0 gathered evidence, mostly a moralistic talking point.>Lolicon can work as a safe outlet for pedosAlso very little evidence. They tried it, but pedos are not interested in it. You can't ask someone to suddenly start jacking off to drawings, if that makes sense. There's a study that shows that in northern Europe (can't remember if it was Sweden or Norway atm) the diffusion of hardcore porn in the 80-90s decreased the amount of rapes, expecially those against children, wich night be a hint in that direction, but lolicon content itself was not involved.MAYBE it can work with pedos who are also lolicons, but if they had the safe alternative and still committed the crime, I don't know if It works in the first place.From my personal experience there's no relation between the 2, I like lolis but I don't see real kids that way, and neither do all the lolicons I know, it's some sort of fictiophilia like furries and whatnot.
>>288150838That's a false equivalency.Naked anime girls covered in soap is not the consequence of the human reproductive drive, that would be sex aka straight up hentai or, at the very least, kissing aka exchange of body fluids as proof of intimacy. It is not comparable to violence leading to gore, those girls are naked and standing there, just talking, to make your penis hard and facilitate a financial transaction that might not happen otherwise because the story and characters aren't good enough. That is it.Nobody ITT is advocating for the removal of fanservice or a change in Japanese culture. All we've done is say that we don't like it in stories because of X, Y and Z, and that it makes an anime feel cheap(er) for us when it happens.But you, the not-a-retard in the thread, is in full attack mode because those that disagree with you are clearly your enemies and they must be shamed and destroyed.>>288150848Nobody is demanding anything. People are just saying they don't like it outside of hentai.
>>288150871Loli stuff is more about ultra cute petite women than it is about looking like real children. You could however draw shit that appeals to them if you try.
>happy that we can finally get uncensored anime now that we got rid of all the fucking faggot fundies and their gay moral panic shit off tv>my anime is now instead censored at the source due to globalization and credit card companies bending over backwards to the whims of radical feminismi am never not blindsided by this
>>288150860>fanservice is something that happens on occasionWhat? DxD is a fanservice series with explicit nudity, as most other ecchi series are. The fanservice is present throughout much of the story, but it's not like every single second is fanservice.Fanservice is simply content that's purely to give the readers/watchers gratification, and colloquially almost always means anything sexual these days. The girls being in lewd situations and the shots showing their bouncing boobs and nipples is done for the viewing pleasure of its primarily male audience, AKA fanservice.The interval at which it happens has no bearing on if it's a fanservice series or not, past it just being present enough and often enough to be considered a "fanservice series". Like, a one off bathing scene 300 chapters ago wouldn't classify one as such, for example, but I digress.>with LNs going into smut territoryOnly the later ones, which is not something unique to ecchi LNs, mind you. Amagi Brilliant Park and several other non-ecchi series have the characters fuck with no uncertainty later in the story, with some being rather explicit in the dialogue and/or illustrations.I was actually surprised to see the illustrator for AmaBuri draw most of the main female cast flashing their bare tits in a comiket doujin.
>there are people in this thread complaining about fanservice in anime and manga when one of the godfathers of anime published a nothing but fanservice-gag series in shounen jump (which used to feature pictures of real swimsuit idols back in the day) and the father of anime drawing pictures of hot furry nezumi women kissing himdo you complain when you go to the circus and there's clowns there?why aren't you watching steven universe instead?
>>288151001I'm not advocating for anything, little guy.I don't like it and you can't make me like it. Go seethe at the golem execs forcing censorship instead but oh wait you're a slave so they'd just kill you if you actually tried to do anything.
>>288151043you're espousing a fair viewbut a view that i would never admit to because i know it would be used by moral arbiters to say "see!! we're right about this shit cause we have a nuanced view on it on our side!!"
>>288150922No it isn't. Erotic depictions of other humans is a result of the reproductive drive. Where the fuck else does that impulse come from? Do you think it's just some alien, inexplicable force from the aether that washes over oh so pure humans?>because the story isn't good enoughGratuitous depictions of gore can often be classified as the same. It literally is fetishistic to depict it with the vividness and frequency many artists depict it with, and whose fans will literally go into polemics when it's not shown to them.>nobody is advocating for the removal of fanservice of a change in Japanese culturePatently false. The endless browbeating and pseud fart huffing carries an implicit desire for """"""the bad"""""" to be done away with and replaced with """"""the good""""".>All we've done is say that we don't like it in stories because of X, Y and Z, X, Y and Z being>TAKE ME SERIOUSLYand>FANSERVICE GOOD WHEN I LIKE THE SERIES IN QUESTION, BAD WHEN I HATE THE SERIES IN QUESTIONand>puritanical retardation that falls apart with any scrutiny, tooCool.>and that it makes an anime feel cheap(er) for us when it happensWhich you unilaterally only apply to sexual imagery/themes, and not anything else that can easily be argued to be puerile and unecessary to the progression of the plot.Again, if you take any of you anti-fanservice seething retards' "logic" to its conclusion then all stories need to do away with any and all minutia, any and all flare, any and all filler and be constant, nonstop action. An unceasing, steady march of going from point A, to point B, to point C, etc., until the end is reached, or it is "IMMATURE _____SLOP".>they must be shamedYeah? hen retards say retarded shit, incessantly play dumb + pretend to not understand things, incessantly profess they are the arbiters of "good writing", and "high brow" adult entertainment, "TAKE ME SERIOUSLYYYYY", etc.,. the only thing left to do is mock, berate and dismantle their dogmatic faggotry.
>>288151002This is why it was a mistake to ever want anime & manga, really, Japanese media in general to ever become more popular in the west.It just brought in the "I deliberately entered a thread I hate" tier retards.And now we have this other retards actually trying to pull this">Hurrrr we don't want to change anything, we will just endlessly complain about it, because as we all know the only reason people complain about something is not because they want the situations they find themselves in to change or anything hahaha we aren't coming for your anime titties coomer chuds ;)Out of his ass. Like, shut the fuck up with that bullshit lmfao we all know what you are.
>>288151076You are in violation of global rule #2.I'm not convinced and I won't stop 'opinionating'. Better luck next time I guess?
>>288151099>completely and utterly avoiding any and all points that run counter to his since That's a total and perfect concession I will happily accept. Utterly BTFO, damn.
>>288151110since inconvenient*Points all still stand uncontested, btw
>>288151076>Gratuitous depictions of gore can often be classified as the same.yes the kids from boku no pico academia can be trained as super cops and get shot and killed and die and shit as child soldiers but... letting them wear short skirts? oh my fucking god horikoshi you disgusting pedophile
>>288151110The moment you held down that Caps Lock key to type out strawmen was the moment you lost all validation, yes.No, you can't change this. You are why democracy is a doomed system, by the way.
>>288151110Are you ESL?
>>288151151Ermmm that's because muh reality or something... but not THOSE parts of reality, okay?!?!?!?!?!It's very telling that anti-fanservice seethers brazenly cherry pick and yet still think they have any ground to stand on in a debate, but with the constant projection about bad faith arguments... it's not THAT surprising.>>288151158For the nth time, it's not strawmanning. I quoted things verbatim all throughout the thread, then mocked you retards for how gay and retarded each "point" sounds when brought to their "logical" conclusions.>TAKE ME SERIOUSLYThis is ultimately the crux of every anti-fanservice "argument" is "I big boy I like big boy thing and everyone MUST know!"Very, very childish behavior.>>288151164I can't imagine saying this with the fanservice chimpouts ITT being in part done by a DBfag
>>288143982>>288144174>It was always a mixture of human and humanoid monsters/men who turn into monsterThat's more or less the case of mythological monsters opposed to the gonzo bestiality trend of the late 2010s.>and then they embraced fucking literal humanoid dogs and bears over the classic Fabio and Conan the Barbarian archetype that used to dominate itYou can't not convince me it's peer pressure from actual degenerates who did fuck/get fucked by animals. Every woman trusts a bear more than a man, so you must too. Furries don't stop to think, even for a second, that they are buying a model of a literal dog penis, because nobody brings that fact to attention. It's popular, therefore it's good.>>288145419I wouldn't say "only" given there's a shitton of older ecchi anime to fall back on, but that doesn't exactly solve the problem either.
>>288151190Same. Look at all the reaction pics he's spamming. I wouldn't be surprised.
>>288150969Unfortunately Japan is beholden to their western masters, and that includes emulating their social retardation, just 5-10 years later. They unironically thought it was a good idea to let these "consultants" into their Japanese branches, and now they all bend the knee to them. Most large corporations now have screening processes with localizer faggots, getting rid of any "icky gross yucky problematic Japanesey parts" in character designs, stories, themes, etc. right as they are created in house.The sheer amount of censorship Japanese media is enduring from foreign actors at their main Japanese branches is at an unprecedented scale.>>288151211It's an image board lolYou lost the plot entirely, not like "y'all" had one to begin with.
>>288148273Holy shit, this.Leftists:>male gaze bad>heterosexual sex bad>porn exploits women (except when its OnlyFans)>hentai bad because she's 17 years and 364 days old according to this fan Wiki article, YOU SICK FUCK>give us your ID and Social Security number, it’s to PROTECT DA CHILLUNSAlt-Rightists:>sex that isn’t in missionary is degeneracy>I converted to Catholicism, I’m a proud 1488 Aryan tradcath now despite being mud brown>porn is degeneracy>trannies use it to groom kids via EPI, the sharty said so>give us your ID and Social Security number, its to PROTECT DA CHILLUNSAll excuses to act like a shithead online and dox porn artists (though it mostly applies to leftists). Post-Feminist Frequency internet was a mistake.
>>288150700You're too mindbroken to even consider that I somebody might criticize something they like, even love. But I don't expect you to understand it since you've already basically admitted you don't think quality matters at all and just mindlessly consume whatever you're given.
>>288151274Thanks for admitting you're from that thread.
>>288151292you're making a point that's too nuanced for anon to understandto you it's just an argument on a hobby you enjoyto him it's a fight to the death vs. actors he considers outsiders
>>288150982Oh, I get it now. You don't even know what fanservice is. No wonder you can't handle thinking fanservice should actually be good if it's in something.
>>288151298They already exhausted all their points you chose to ignore
>>288150604Pedophilia and incest are unironically worse than murder, even regular rape. They’re the most disgusting, abnormal, and degenerate things around short of beastiality.
>>288151292>that I somebody mightLooks like that ESL comment from earlier was projection after all kek>you don't think quality mattersFanservice's presence has no bearing on the quality of a piece of media unless, again, you are talking about how the bodies are drawn or if the eroticism is lackluster. You are a pseud, larping as if you care about creative integrity and the health of these mediums.>Ohhh the overall message and themes in this show is nice and uplifting but.... they heckin' showed BOOBS in season 3 episode 7 at 07:31... OOOohhhHHH IT'S JUST COOMERSLOP, now I can't jack myself off along with other failed lit students online because it's not high brow!!!1!!You are all just beyond parody.>>288151303What is this actual schizophrenic babble?>>288151308There is no nuance in the following:>TAKE ME SERIOUSLY I AM A BIG BOY>fanservice good when... girls have fun and talk about the future???>violence fine sex isn't because uhhhh reality n sheiiit>>288151309Nope, what I said is the textbook definition of fanservice, but nice try. Again, there is no "good/bad" fanservice, and your """"""reasoning""""" for it being "good" is literally as follows>it's okay for the high school girls to be in bikinis if they talk about the future while doing soThat's retardation. That's performative, nonsensical babble that holds no intellectual weight and has no consistency when applied to its logical conclusions.I'll give (You) all credit though, refraining from posting wojaks must be unbearable right about now.
>>288150922>Nobody ITT is advocating for the removal of fanservice or a change in Japanese culture. I am in fact for the latter, Japanese culture desperately needs to change their stance on pedophilia and incest and stop promoting that shit in their media. Luckily people like me have credit card companies on our side and based Visa and Mastercard are purging the West of the lolisho and incest shit as we speak.
Uh oh, with that normalfag's post just now it looks like that last line of cope just fell apart for the anti-fanservice brigade.
>>288151373i don't even agree with that anon at all as i am a deviant, but their stance is that they think fanservice sucks, which even if it's a dumb opinion is far removed from you trying to paint them as the ceo of visa/mastercardyes they're barking up the wrong tree but that's their own dick to bark up, why get this bent out of shape? that anon is a dumbass but he's not gonna convince khara to never animate a pair of tits again
>>288151416>implying that's not the billionth baiting retard
>>288151451The "stance" isn't just "fanservice sucks", it's "fanservice in a series I don't like sucks, but it's good in ones I do like".Keep up the caricature painting, larping, dismissals and whatnot though. Anything but actually addressing counterarguments.>>288151452>implying it's not [convenient warping of reality]I'm getting a bit fatigued retards saying something is "bait" when someone is writing polemics for hours on end.
>>288151488>The "stance" isn't just "fanservice sucks", it's "fanservice in a series I don't like sucks, but it's good in ones I do like".which is also a really stupid stance, but it's not "i think we should nuke japan again and put akiyuki shinbo in jail" so why get this bent out of shapethis isn't the only anon you're gonna meet that has dumb personal opinions, why get this bent out of shape? why go through such lengths as an outsider if their opinions are so stupidly demure?
>>288151308He's made no attempt to understand it, which is why I've been mocking him. But it's nice to see there are other sane people here.>>288151373I haven't made an ESL comment in this thread, but oh no, you caught me making a typo late at night. Maybe you are ESL, though, since my typo is clearly understandable in that I originally typed I, and then thought to make it less personal since I'm clearly not the only one with my perspective ITT even, and didn't delete my sentence all the way before retyping it. If it confuses you so much, I'm sorry. Please forgive me, and then actually address what I'm talking about instead of making personal attacks as a dodge.>Fanservice's presence has no bearing on the quality of a piece of mediaI just want the fanservice to be good, like I want all other aspects of a show to be good. The overall quality of a series is made up of the quality of all of its constituent elements. You apparently don't think that matters. Nothing matters, you just want boobs I guess. Any boobs will do. Well, go watch hentai, there are plenty of boobs. Not even good hentai, because things like quality don't matter, right little consumer? I'm now fully convinced by your emotional meltdown here that you will be satisfied with literally anything. That's really the only thing you have accomplished here. But I support you completely. You have every right to uncritically worship at the butthole of any crappy director or studio while they shit out low quality slop, without having any opinion at all because you're not worthy enough to have one.I actually value my time so I want to fill it with actually good things, whether there is fanservice or not.
>>288151451I always see him in character/boob/fanservice threads and while he hae the spirit, it's not healthy to constantly mass quote everybody and regurgitate the same points/moving the goalposts no matter how many times people agree or change their arguments. He should get some rest.>>288151488How is it not bait if it's used by both trolls and bad faithers? >Keep up the caricature painting>when you literally just did thatKeep up the projection.
>>288151513>lengths as an outsider*lengths to paint them as an outsidermy bad i took my ambien earlier
>>288151373>What is this actual schizophrenic babble?That deflection isn’t going to work on me.
>>288151513That's not actually the stance anyone here holds. That's just the stance he thinks everyone holds.
>>288150969>it’s radical feminism now to be against depictions of pedophilia and incest, two of the biggest taboos humanity has been against since the dawn of time before women could even get voting rightsLook, nobody is trying to take away your porn or ban it altogether except for the most fringe of Christcuck Puritans or ugly lesbian feminist hags as described here >>288148273 we just want the porn to be fucking NORMAL and not involve weirdo type shit like kids, relatives, or animals. Why is that so hard for you socially maladjusted weebs to understand? How come normalnigger old timer boomers did just find with regular porn featuring non-related adult women ala Playboy, but now thanks to the East’s influence the younger generations need all manner of the most disturbing of fetishes just to get off? Even porn should have standards. Credit Card companies are not banning 18+ hentai content altogether, they’re just filtering out the really vile stuff involving lolisho and incest, nobody’s stopping you from jerking off to non-related adult women like every normal non-weeb can manage, get a grip!>>288151274>"icky gross yucky problematic Japanesey parts"Neglecting to mention that such “Japanesey parts” are literally just pedophilia and incest, and if that’s the type of sexual degeneracy that Japanese culture likes to glorify and normalize, then it deserves to be deleted and the whole of Japan colonized out of those disgusting barbaric values.
>>288151519i just dislike that we have to have this conversation about fanservice in generali consider good art that which resonates with real life and its appreciation, so i'm not sure if next time my little sister is wearing a bikini around the house or next time i get lucky on a third date i'm supposed to look up at the heavens and go "what the fuck man this is some bad fanservice i'm having a depressive episode here"
>>288151500Nope, sorry, everything is bait now and no one can have genuinely retarded, performative moralfag opinions according to underage retards that never experienced what real trolling was.In reality anyone who can see through the bullshit knows the "n-not him but he was obviously just baiting", posted hours later, is a cope retards use to duck out of their shitty opinions and being at the end of their rope.>>288151513>the onlyNot even remotely true. That same hyper-autistic mindset is shared by almost all anti-fanservice retards. They aren't known for being consistent in their beliefs and conditions.>you are le angry caricature blahblahblahAutist.Anyway, to put it bluntly "just heckin' ignore it" didn't work out. Turns out that letting retards say retarded shit unchecked is damaging to mediums. Who knew?>>288151519>copeYeah yeah, whatever.>to be goodWhich is, for the nth time, an autistic, arbitrary condition you are projecting unto any given series which has no basis in reality.>unironically using the "just watch porn" false equivalence handwave that tourist faggots do when justifying censorship and whatnotHoly shit, this is NOT a good look for you, man.>I value my timeNo, you value being "taken seriously" and making sure everyone else knows that.>I only enjoy SoL where the elementary school girls get naked if they talk about the future of their group and careers, not that mindless coomerslop where the characters actually play at the beach when visiting the beach, thank you!Beyond parody.>>288151529>both groups do it so it can only ever be this one and never the latterFallacious reasoning. It also isn't bait as that other anon confirmed, too.Thanks for confirming you're just quoting multiple times btw>>288151554>deflectionYou're bringing up other threads now instead of staying on topic here. Get some awareness.
>>288137653As if a story is obligated to be serious at all times. Sometimes nudity or other lewd elements works towards the fun of a scene. Take the early parts of Dragon Ball, for instance, all the risque scenes involving Bulma are still funny as fuck and are 100% worth witnessing even if you're not in the mood to jerk it.
>>288151416Good, hopefully there’s an uptick of breast torture guro with her and other bimbos.
>>288151574Yeah sorry, it would have been Good Fanservice™ if that hypothetical third date girl you scored with started waxing lyrical about their dreams of becoming astronauts or something.>>288151619Mental illness.
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>>288151657Last I checked... /a/
So much bait in this kuso thread
>>288151612>a cope retards use to duck out of their shitty opinions and being at the end of their ropeLike yourself when you're backed into a corner and offer ZERO counterarguments, instead moving goalposts, "cope", deflection", "handwave", "arbitrary", "Yeah yeah, whatever"? You're awfully good at doing the very thing you accuse people of. What's that called, projection? Look around you, nobody likes you and just sees through your bullshit.>Thanks for confirming you're just quoting multiple times btwYou did more than me. Scroll through your own post history.>Get some awarenessYou first instead of flunking debate class.
>>288151612I'm telling you to just watch porn because you've repeatedly said that there is no such thing as quality in fanservice, and then went on to demonstrate you don't even know what fanservice actually is, so I have no faith at all that you can differentiate between porn and not-porn where boobs are concerned. Since the boobs are so important to you, without any filter for quality, I simply recommend the most direct and efficient route for you to get what you want. I'm trying to save you time.Meanwhile, I will enjoy quality fanservice and continue to demand that it be quality wherever it's found. You'll get what you want, I'll hopefully get what I want once retards like you are no longer dragging down the lowest common denominator to the lowest possible level, and we can both be happy.
>>288151716Unfortunately for those not living under 10000 layers of irony at any given time we'd love if retards didn't genuinely believe the things they are saying ITT.>>288151722>n-no uNot even applicable.I made zero counterarguments, (You) sperged out because I didn't quote you verbatim, going>LALALA can't hear youuuuThen when I did literally copypaste what you said and deconstructed it piece by piece you just doubled down and shouted louder.>what you accuse people ofYour off-topic rambling here>I haven't made an ESL comment in this thread, but oh no, you caught me making a typo late at night. Maybe you are ESL, though, since my typo is clearly understandable in that I originally typed I, and then thought to make it less personal since I'm clearly not the only one with my perspective ITT even, and didn't delete my sentence all the way before retyping it. If it confuses you so much, I'm sorry. Please forgive me, and then actually address what I'm talking about instead of making personal attacks as a dodge.Doesn't deserve anything other than a "yeah yeah, whatever" after you tried to say the "U R TEH ESL" earlier lmfaoLiterally unable to take what he's dishing out, sad.>n-no u x 2lmfao me having to quote every one of your new posts isn't the same, but go off retardGOD>>288151738>I'm saying the classic tourist faggot dismissal because I'm a literal raging normalfag who can only play dumb, handwave any counterpoints if youdon't quote me word for word and jump through my debating obstacle courseThe only "quality" in fanservice is if it's drawn well and the eroticism is on point.>the characters talked about their feelings n sheiiitHas no bearing on if fanservice is "good" or "bad". That quite literally has nothing to do with fanservice. Fanservice, with its textbook definition, has ZERO reliance on the plot whatsoever. This is just you, once again, projecting some autistic, arbitrary conditions you were brainwashed by e-celeb anime reviewers to have.
>>288151782>counterarguments,meant to be "counterarguments?" Points still stand
>>288142831It's more of a both sides argument especially with women wanting to draw sexy women for men
>>288151822Honestly, it's baffling that anyone believed the>just let retards with retarded, harmful opinions just go around uncontested and never called outbullshit.And they are still around now, saying "we aren't trying to take away the things you like :)" while readying the club over your skull for the hundredth time.
>>288151782>we'd love if retards didn't genuinely believe the things they are saying ITTWho's "we" in your head right now? Because this whole thread is people calling you out for being wrong, with nobody on your side. To the point where you can't even keep us all straight and keep attacking the wrong Anons over shit while replying to everybody in your hours-long temper tantrum. You're the one with retarded beliefs, clearly.
>>288151738>Since the boobs are so important to youIf only, most of the fanservice weebs want is of lolis, that’s exactly the problem.
>>288151894I'm only saying boobs because the guy with the temper tantrum keeps talking about boobs.
>>288136794Well, the name already tells you everything. A creator is not supposed to service fans. He's supposed to either hate and despise them, or moralize to them, preferably both.
>>288151927He isn’t. He even agreed saying there’s a problem with not enough fanservice while providing a temporary solution.
>>288151875>ad populumAnother derailer classic.>can't even keep us all straightUhhhh what about that>you mass quoted me first tho!!1!BS here? >>288151722LOLUnwitting confession of larping as another anon, but go off retard.Still not a SINGLE counterargument addressed from (You), btw, just childish earplugging while projecting about bad faith argumentation.I'm just wondering how can anyone reconcile saying>WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE IT AWAY FROM YOU, COOMER!While saying>it's just mindless consuming it's damaging to the medium, you porn addict!In the same breath.So... you don't want anything to change but... you think it's a plague... So that means you are fine with """""bad""""" fanservice, what you perceive to be an unfavorable situation, "holding the medium back", continuing unto perpetuity?Otherwise.... why are you even bitching then lmfao?>>288151901Jesus, this goes beyond losing the plot, you are seething at four letter words now.Anything but addressing points in favor of fanservice in anime.>>288151927It's just one of the typical plays in the shitposter book. The fag unwittingly admitted to larping as multiple guys, then when I challenged him about quoting me in multiple posts pretending to be other people he said "u-u did it too", even though I was just fitting all my responses in one post instead of 30 like he is, flooding the thread. Actual global rule breaking on his end, btw, which he was whining about earlier, disregarding the constant off-topic>LALALA CAN'T HEAR YOUspam from him that has>nothing to do with fanservice>nothing to do with anime or manga95% of his posts are effectively spam. He mentioned K-On and Non Non Biyori a grand total of 2 or 3 times, then kept regurgitating ad hominem, projection and now ad populum.Notice the constant>heuse too, LMFAOBuddy really thinks we're that dumb, but he's forgetting he's repeating himself in each post, so the obfuscation fails.
>>288151782>>288151976I'm sorry you're too retarded to take in different points that answer all of your questions, even if the posters are also retarded or disagree with you. Oh, wait, if they did, you’d still pull the same dismissive bullshit tactics without actually thinking about them, just as predicted. Or thinking they’re samefagging when you got so caught up in your schizobabble you thought I was the ESL guy. Which going by your doubling down and atrocious grammar, I’m likely right.
>>288151976>Muh heckin' fallacies!You have to go back.
>>288151716It's getting close to that time of year again
>>288151998>>288152019The "points" didn't answer anything, other than confirming that I was correct in my initial educated guess from past experience that your mindset is:>fanservice in a series I like GOOD>fanservice in a series I like BADYou did this with K-On and Non Non Biyori.>K-On's fanservice was fine because they talked about their feelings and future as a band.Which, again, fanservice and "talking about your feelings n sheiiit" are not dependent upon each other existing at the same time, nor are they "required". That's just dogmatic autism.>Non Non Biyori girls playing at the beach when they are at the beach, though? ARGGGH, pure goonslop!lol>dismissiveCute "no u", but that isn't going to work here. All you've done is go:>LALALA you didn't quote me exactly LALALA can't hear youuuuuuuuuuuAnd even when quoted exactly, copypasted even, you doubled down>LALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUAnd didn't address a single pro fanservice point. Just spammed buzzwords, fallacies and genuine autism, which you NEED to get diagnosed ASAP.Zero studio directors, illustrators, painters, musicians, etc. would agree with even 5% of what you said. Your mindset is antithetical to creation.>>288152024It quite literally is that time, at least for most of the US.>>288152002>>288152036No need for speculation, he confessed it's all him larping earlier in my chain.The absolute state of anti-fanservice brigaders
>>288151573incest was fairly common occurrence in history, and acceptable age for sexualization was 10-12. The Japanese are literally the only people who haven't fallen into full emotional puritanism and have managed to preserve some of the natural order, even if only in fictional fantasies. You can't put human nature into a box, it will always spill out somewhere.
>>288152054I can't even tell who you think you're talking to or follow what your argument even is anymore besides old good new bad, but it is hilarious how you think we're all the same person, and apparently think we're all making some kind of argument nobody here has made. Get some sleep, take your meds, get some more fiber in your diet, and watch some old anime that did whatever thing you liked. You'll feel much better about whatever it is that you're mad about.
>>288152149Yet ANOTHER post>not talking about the topic of the thread, fanservice>tangentially related to anime at best, only because the post has the word "anime" in it>still being dismissive and conveniently dodging points that deconstruct his ownAlso, repeating the same things in your posts you were hours ago... no one is buying this.It probably would actually kill you to write a post in good faith for once. All the skin on your body would fly off if you stopped going "LALALA can't hear you" and "you are very... le silly!" every 5 seconds.God forbid you actually address any of the pro-fanservice points.
>>288148083You should read Lotte no Omocha!, it's great.
>>288152186I don't consider "fanservice can't be bad or good" to be a pro-fanservice argument. It's a position that can only lead to fanservice being terrible as standards are lowered to nothing because you'll gratefully lap it up anyway. As somebody who cares about fanservice, and is ACTUALLY making a pro-fanservice argument, I want it to be good, not whatever trash you think trash directors and trash animators will deign to give you if you grovel enough. You have no standards, you just worship the nips even though most of them are hacks and work for non-artistic people, and so your arguments are meritless. Why should anyone listen to the opinions of somebody whose made the choice to have no opinion of your own? You are an idiot child having a temper tantrum over a strawman from an inverted reality.If you like something, you should want it to be good. You should want it to be the best it possibly can be, and demand that as a customer.But as this thread has gone on, you've started schizoposting to the point of incomprehensibility and I'm too tired to make sense of it. If you go back and actually read the thread you'll see myself and others explaining exactly what makes fanservice good, and what makes it bad, and we've each made different arguments with only some overlap. You can either engage with that individually or you can continue insisting that fanservice is the one element of an artistic work that defies a quality grade, all while accusing everyone of the exact things you've done repeatedly. Either way, I'm going to sleep as I suspect most of the others have already. Congratulations, you've won by simply being an obsessive lunatic and outlasting the patience or interest of everyone else. But I'm sure the people on whatever site you got your crazy ideas from about fanservice haters is still plenty active right now. And you should go back there.
>>288136794It's not. All the analytics say to embrace it. But a few old men won't accept that.
>>288152380>immediately defaults to repeating himself AGAINSo much for larping as another guy who just hopped in moments ago lmfao>actual strawmanning and still insisting on his nebulous dogma circular reasoning>even MORE off-topic "you are... le silly angry caricature!" spamLike I said, it would literally kill you to post in good faith.>you'll see myself and others explaining what makes fanservice good/badYou won't, all you'll see is:>fanservice in a series I like GOOD>fanservice in a series I like BADYour only failed example was K-On VS Non Non Biyori... because they talk about their feelings and the future of the band during a beach episode. Again, two things that have *ZERO* relation or dependence upon the other. Which again, you refuse to acknowledge this point, and go back to your one-man human centipede nonsense where you keep swallowing your own shit for self-validation while plugging your ears.Fanservice has *zero* reliance on the plot. Fanservice does not inexplicably become "good" just because the girls talk about their feelings n sheiiit while their boobs are bouncing around on screen. Likewise, it doesn't magically become "bad" because the girls aren't talking about their plans for the future, like going to college or their dreams of opening a bakery, while they are spread eagle on a beach towel.That is pure autism and you sound utterly insane for insinuating this.>people you got your ideas fromNigga, you are literally just regurgitating pseud, feel-good, self-fellating babble from anime reviewer e-celebs about "justified fanservice and bad fanservice" lmfaoWord for word.While going "LALALA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU I WIN!"Spamming off-topic buzzwordsPerformative moralityProjecting about strawmanning, bad faith posts, schizophrenia and tourism, while repeating tourist buzzwords and dismissals like>just go watch porn, coomerLike, that is literally "scarlet letter" tier self-reporting to everyone in the thread you came from twitter/reddit kek
>>288152545Oh, there's no doubt in my mind him and the other normalfag ilk that were in this thread will be monitoring the catalog at all points to repeat the same faggotry they displayed today going forward, as they always have. They are THAT obsessed with any positive sentiment towards fanservice in anime and manga.But yes, it is a good display to those unafflicted by their brainworms that you can persist through their off-topic spam.Also, there was definitely something fortunate in this outcome: he dropped all pretense for his larp, that "everyone in the thread is against you". In his last post there he tacitly admits it was him larping as multiple anons all along when he was quoting me and others multiple times, since he just regurgitated the same nonsense about "bad/good fanservice" in all those posts once again in one final summary.Don't even know why he bothered using inspect element and posting it at that point, it falls completely flat.Stay resolute. Keep your eyes open for their fallacious retardation and shut it down instantly and continually.
>>288152125>incest was fairly common occurrence in historyCousin-Cousin marriages don’t count, you know that retard.
>>288137629But nobody cares if a live-action show has "fanservice". GoT was full of nudity and everybody loved it before it turned to shit.
>>288137123Instilling lust upon the audience is a valid narrative resource just as instilling disgust or shock to the audience. The film indutry understood this decades ago but for some reason some retards, like (you), think that animated media is somehow different in nature.
>>288148083That's the definition of homosexuality.
good fanservice = boobs and buttsbad fanservice = no boobies or buttsIt's quite simple once you break it down.
>>288152620>monitoring the catalog at all points to repeat the same faggotry>Keep your eyes openHilarious considering I’ve only been on here twice and you’ve been continuously screeching for 20 hours straight. Do you even have a bedtime? Chores to do? Places to go? You’re all out of steam, but still have plenty to spare. It’s actually pretty damn impressive.
>>288136794Because of three major (vocal) groups:1. Pedos that cannot contain themselves if they see it so they try to ban it for everyone else and pretend they have the moral high ground;2. Women that know they can't compete with the perfection of the drawn female form (same reason they're making game characters ugly);3. Evangelicals that consider it "impure" while having sex with 12 year old boys and think their live's purpose is serving Israel.
The United States and it's consequences have been disasterous for humanity
>thing is vulgar and therefore badDoesn’t work for anime because anime isn’t art
The way some of you reply to each other for emotional support and validation is cute"We'll get them next time as well for sure anon" is peak effeminate self-serving statement
>>288136794when i was younger i disliked it because i was embarassed and pretentious. caught up in being "mature"nowadays i like it because it tickles my penis
>>288154789the random capslock words from the pedonigger are fucking hilarious dudeit's like I'm on reddit or something
>>288153041This. Just because it can be used as an engagement band-aid doesn't mean it always is. I'd add that having pointless big anime titties to look at is just a plus when it doesn't subtract from the other good stuff
>>288154072Angloshit actually. Reminder that the USA is just an anglo colony that rebelled for tax reasons but still uses the language of their masters.
>>288136794Mixing explicitly sexually suggestive imagery into cartoons takes it clear that it’s an interest of stunted developmentWhen it’s free of imagery explicitly made for teen/adult eyes, it can be seen as it’s own special whimsical interest, an exploration of childhood or distilled essences of life told through colorful symbols. When (cheap, non subtle) sex imagery gets mixed in for metacontextual enticement, it becomes clear that it’s being used as an outlet for people going through pubescence, or didn’t yet get everything they could out of pubescence Animation as an adult art form is great, but then the imagery stops being “fanservice” and just becomes part of the art
>>288152620Not your personal army, faggot.
I think fanservice is fine and the people who don't often fall into three camps>1.It makes me mad so it shouldn't exist>2.I am an ELIGHTENED and TOTALLY NOT PRETENTIOUS art snob that is TOTES VERY MATURE and above it all. (most of the anti-fanservicefags itt fall into this camp)>3.I don't like it but w/e.Atleast when people jerk off to porn most aren't doing it because they want to feel superior to others.
>>288157248The strongest haters of fanservice are normalfags who are invading a hobby that is not for them.Being aggressive against them is fine. It's called gatekeeping.
>>288157708>Being aggressive against them is fine. It's called gatekeeping.No that's just hating normalfags which is always deserved regardless
>>288157708>gatekeepingHasn't worked since the j*nnies were all replaced by normalfags who treat the site like a God Simulator game rather than a curated community
>>288141617I also want to follow up and say that I've watched/read and enjoyed plenty of ecchi anime/manga (Hanaukyo Maid Tai, Maburaho, Shuffle, Amaenaideyo, High School DxD, Ikkitousen, Love Love, Takamine-san, etc it's fucking endless really) but all of us can agree that they're unmitigated trash about nothing. I'm not holding my dick for Azumanga Daioh, Daily Lives of High School Girls, or Nichijou but at least they can make me laugh.
>>288158010>us
>>288136794because women took full control of society in the west and there is a whole army of simps fighting against other men to defend their bullshits in the hope they'll get a crumb of pussy
>>288136794It isn't. Underaged boys are loved in the west. female fanservice is what is hated.
>If you fap to x you must want to do xDamn. I just fapped to a vore comic, that must mean I want to get eaten by a snake!
>>288142670Bless you, sister Chloe
>>288137123All these seething replies and not a single one can prove it wrong.
>>288161705Japan is sick of fanservice
>>288161791Isn't that that shitty BBC "documentary" where the ginger woman tried to call out someone connected with GuP?
>>288150751almost 100% it's a Shartycuck/Green Redditor looking for (You)s
>>288148229And yet every culture except for the US permits teen-adult marriages
>>288153965And of course, you're back, complete with just ignoring that entire last post and having zero counterpoints kekConcession accepted>>288156766No one said anything about that
>>288154789>effeminate self-serving statementLike the self-fellating>Heh, I only like my Japanese cartoons having little girls running around naked if they are having philosophical discussions doing so, I'm not into that mindless coomer slop like the rest of you?KEK
>>288136794>Western audienceJust the Anglosphere.
>>288161981Who gives a shit? Jimmy Savile the BBC Tzar was procuring children for the royals and his friends to rape and murder then dismember them and burn their remains on an altar of Satan while feasting on their entrails. Who gives a fuck about the BBC? Fuck those cunts. Hope each and every single faggot working there drops dead.
yesterday i saw one post of a nigger mad about incest in doujins
>>288163313>one postHe's been flooding the thread with his mental illness
>>288162803That's what I'm getting at.They call out drawings and fiction, when the company harbours actual abusers and looked the other way.The absolute hubris of the cunts
>>288163684Hubris is the least of it when you think about it. It's this sadistic, psychopathic, ravenous, demonic frenzy. Normalfaggotry is a condition that has been birthed from the asshole of Satan. Every time you hear anyone talk about how they care about children remember that they want to put them into slave camp gulags and rape them then murder them. The guise of normalcy is the epitome of Satanism.
>>288163575They don't care about quality, but when someone very obviously serial ban evades and everyone realizes it, they get mad. Although they still can't stop him.
>>288163381The only thing one can do in regards to normalfaggots running rampant everywhere is laugh at this point
>>288137123What if it's authorservice? Is that still bad?
>>288166161>successfully browbeaten by smug ego faggot producers/directors neck deep in westoid brainwashing into cucking on their own fucking series, as if they know better than themMan, you cannot name a group of more subservient, yielding pussies than Japanese artists kek
>>288164540>Normalfags wanna secretly rape the kidsEpstein was a weeb by the way.
>>288166407Like, I know money is a very big motivator, but it really is crazy how there hasn't been a single mangaka or LN author who actually sticks up for themselves. Zero creative integrity whatsoever between them and the censor-happy, faggy producers/directors/studios in general.Even fucking Kubo bowed his head and said "H-Hai..." when that harmless Yoruichi's-arm-between-Orihime's-tits scene got censored/removed entirely from the nuBleach anime.If even the biggest names in the industry, who have mode more than enough money, are completely whipped pussies it's pretty difficult to think the future isn't bleak.
>>288166618>have modehave made*
>>288136794Every single movie and TV show has men and women getting naked but suddenly it's a problem when it's a drawing.
>>288167074It's only a "problem" when its series with a male audience.None of this moralfag, performative outcry and pseud babbling affects even one iota of female media. There is not legions of people swarming to get tall pretty boys censored in shoujo or jousei manga and anime, unlike the swarm of insects clapping like retarded seals when anime tits get mastectomied and covered up in a modern ecchi anime adaptation.
>>288167074>Every single movie and TV show has men and women getting naked but suddenly it's a problem when it's a drawing.No, it’s a problem if they’re minors or relatives. Hope this helps!
bait
>>288152620You can't even keep your schizo theories straight. There's me and another person, and we'll be forever gangstalking you, but also I'm also just one person pretending to be everyone? My screenshot is real, but I'm glad you're so mentally fragile that you are now convinced there's a grand conspiracy against you in particular. And congratulations, you've cracked the code. I also posted earlier in the thread a few times about fanservice being good or bad depending on how it's done and I've been consistent about my argument, but not every post disagreeing with you was me, which is why I could no longer keep track as you spammed out replies to every other person thinking we're all the same, and why every other reply you made in that post was to other people.
>>288167789>still so pained and still no argument off-topic babble 13+ hours later after saying he was "leaving"Holy OBSESSED
>>288167955Nothing of value would get lost.
>>288167918Said I was going to sleep. 13 hours might just be enough time for me to sleep and then see this thread is still up. I see you still haven't slept, though, and kept accusing other people of being me while I was away. Those manic episodes are really rough, you should take your meds and sleep for a few days, buddy. Once you've stabilized, got back on the program, maybe you'll be able to address what I'm saying and actually try to defend your retarded view that fanservice can't be good or bad, instead of accusing me of being against fanservice just because I prefer fanservice be high quality like any other element of an anime should be. I even want the fanservice to be good in anime I don't like, but for some reason you just will accept whatever you're given no matter how poorly it's executed. Keep racing towards the bottom, and you'll get the bottom. How sad that would be.
>They don't complain about fanservice and ecchi in GL/BL, but they do in hetero anime. Why is this?
>>288168111No, you said you were done and that "you win" and blahblahblah and, as always with fanservice seething shitposters, you come back the next day to post more off-topic shit.Still>didn't address his K-On "point" on "bad/good" fanservice being utterly dismantled>going "LALALA can't hear youuuuuuuuuuu">posting off-topic cancer to flood the thread with>thinks anyone buys him saying "I like this or that" when he can't defend his stance and immediately plugs his ears when challenged in any fashionThere is no "bad/good" fanservice by virtue of simply existing, let alone being dependent on "the characters talking about their feelings and da future n sheiiit" while they are running around naked.That is nothing but the ramblings of an ideologically captured autist, end of story.>>288168385Take a second to think about it, it's really not that difficult. If you're still struggling this >>288142722 anon succinctly described the mental illness.
>>288137123idk why people are seething so much at this.This dude is right.
The only people that care about this thread now are:>people still trying to bait like >288167667>288137123 continuing to samefag (like post above) because he's upset people would disagree with him>the Dragon Maid avatarfag continuing to argue with the other retard who said he was done
>only posts complaining sbout shitposts got deletedSensing a pattern.
>>288168542>>288137123 continuing to samefag (like post above) because he's upset people would disagree with him
>>288168628>what is using a different browser>what is different ips
>>288168657now you are just being silly
>>288168657Every accusation is an admission from you.
I'm coming back to this thread every couple of hours if 4chanX is displaying the thread in red and holy shit your meltdown and schizophrenia are awesome. You know who you are.Yeah, you. How many random people have you accused of being me samefagging by now? You little retarded faggot.
>>288136794Westerners have weird psychosexual issues they never resolved.
Ever notice that the only “men” who try and argue for fanservice are low-test soi boi whites and asians? Is it because they’re incels who aren’t able to pull any actual women like us superior “hoodweeb” shonenchads so they have to resort to 2D waifus and their hand? That would explain why shonen fandoms like DBZ are disproportionately Black & Brown Bulls while all that feminine Moe slop that grooms you into trannies attracts an almost exclusively White and Asian audience.Curious ain’t it?
>pretending to be retarded cope
>>2881685424 out of like 50 images I posted ITT are from Maid Dragon bruh
>>288136997This is why Revolutionary Girl Utena will always remain a classic.
>>288137381And this is why Japan is widely derided as having shit taste.
>shit taste is when you can't huff the farts of other failed lit students over what naked Japanese cartoon girls had the most compelling soliloquyPeople who desperately want to be srs bsns adults are genuinely the saddest, most miserable people you will ever meet.
>>288168873DAS RITE!
>>288136794I'm ok with it.
>>288168873You will never find me a single nigga who will argue against showing tits and ass
>>288136794because globohomo agenda told them to
>>288144399>Because it treats sex as if it only exists for men's pleasure and nothing elseHoly faggot. This is anime/manga, there's something for everyone.>nobody who defends it can beat the allegations they are a coomer/goonerWho cares.
>>288169645By who?
>>288171008It's useless to try and "converse" with performative moralfags
>>288170571>You will never find me a single nigga who will argue against showing tits and assWe hate that gayass girly moe loli shit though.
>>288150751>>288151290Indeed.Case in point: >>288168873
>>288171040Who? The right-wing SJWs at sharty and green reddit?
>>288171072>right-wing SJWsThat’s an oxymoron, so it’s obvious you’re just throwing out buzzwords without even realizing the meanings.
>>288171021By subhumans afflicted with effeminate histrionics. The "TAKE ME SERIOUSLY" retards and/or the performative moralfagging.And/or, because they're often together.
>>288151573Why are you even on this board? You know /a/ has no problem with lolisho so why come here and let your mind get infested with demons? Go back.
>>288167667Why is it a problem if it's fiction and the drawings don't resemble real human beings? Do you also bitch about this in any loli thread or are you just a tourist?
>>288171118Religious right-wingers were the moralfags of yore, and it's those cucks who ideolize that pedo called Null who call everything "degenerate" that are just like them (you).
>>288171223Take a wild guess anon.
>>288171072>Who? The right-wing SJWs at sharty and green reddit?No, Black & Brown shonenchads.
>>288172010Same thing.
>>288171141>Why are you even on this board? You know /a/ has no problem with lolisho so why come here and let your mind get infested with demons?Because /a/ needs to be gentrified out of lolisho and incest.
Need more polykino fanservice
>>288173106>polykino fanserviceYou mean the harem genre?
>>288136794Depends entirely on how it's done. Lots of fanservice in anime is done without any sense of tact or taste and just comes off as juvenile and/or out of place. At least, that's my gripe with it.
>>288171223>the drawings don't resemble real human beings?Lolis are literally drawn to resemble children, that’s why they they’re even known as lolis and the whole 1000 year old lolibaba dragon is considered a meme and dunked on by normalfags.
>>288173712Which is retarded.
>>288172547>Because /a/ needs to be gentrified out of lolisho and incest.As long as I live, I will not let that happen.
>>288136794Because they are seeing anime fanservice in fictional works through western lenses that tell them it's bad and unfortunately since anime is big in the west now it's frown on
There's a bit of a perception that if something appeals to your cock then it's automatically some degree of smut and can't be taken seriously as art. Strikes me as a puritan idea but I kind of see it if it's too overt
>>288151573I fucking hate tourist season
>>288136794Cute things = Young thingsLiking young things = PedophiliaIt's quite literally as simple as that
Retard is still going>>288174137Nah, eroticism being present in any capacity disqualifying something as "art" only happens in the minds of autistics.Something like Tsugumomo mogs all modern shounen from the art, writing, themes and fights and it's just not even close. nushounen slop is only concerned with spamming as many "aura moments" as possible for subhuman westoid ironic weeaboos to make shitty tiktok edits over.cucksawman, demon slayer, jjk, etc. all ended like total shit, with csm and jjk having some very notable decline in art quality too. Flashy anime adaptations aren't going to save them, just like it didn't save AoT
>>288152962proved his point lmao, GoT is also fiction
>>288168873In Japan, the women argue for fanservice and the men argue againstexhibit a: picrelexhibit b: >>288166161
>>288174950What an absolute concoction of visual AIDS that image is, not only from the cropping, but the colors from the overlay.
>>288136794Because fanservice is for men and "the western audience" (the retarded trannies you see on reddit) hates men
>>288137996>>288145765No, it’s because western shit does fanservice "wokely" unlike nip stuff.
>>288151290It’s funny how leftists (including "both sides" leftists) literally don’t have the slightest idea what the right actually believes in or supports.
>>288136794puritan christcuckoldry
>>288136794it's just americans who are prude
>>288175563This is literally false, sadly.
>>288175538Maybe because "the right" is no more a monolith than "the left".
Normalfags invading a hobby and demanding it changes to their liking is nothing new.
I don't mind fan service desu, it's like old british saucy humour, it adds a bit comedy to anime.
>>288168873Bait overload.
>>288175826Sorry, everything has to be srs bsns so pseuds can circlejerk with each other. No fun allowed.
>>288175538>what the right actually believes in or supports.Censoring loli and porn in general, starting war all over the world, and giving the state more powers (like deportation police)?
>>288168873Irrefutable x
>>288175912I honestly can't tell anymore how much it's greed for money from prudes and not wanting to have to censor additionally afterwards, and how much it's pseuds really thinking they're creating something that's too good for sex
>>288176029There have always been pseuds. Otaku used to be able to keep them in check by buying tons of blu-rays and merch, but now with the combined effects of normalfag ad revenue and otaku spending their money on gacha instead of anime, the pseuds have won.
>>288136794Nooooo you can't have fanservice sex is bad!
