>the father of all isekai>constantly ripped off yet still unmatched to this day
>>288153354This was the second one I saw after SAO back when they were new and I instantly realized ZNT is a million times better
>>288153373Louise's anime came out 6 years before SAO but yeah i agree
>>288153354never watched it, is it as good as you say?
>>288153438Easily the best
>>288153506thanks
>>288153393There were many anime featuring going to another world before it. And SAO is responsible for the current isekai craze.>>288153506It's not that great. Your generic harem romcom with a Kugumiya tsundere heavily featured.
>>288155277Znt came out in 2006, SAO came out in 2012, you could argue .hack did it first but it's vidya first not anime despite the adaptation factor, the point was ride the MMO era not an isekai
>>288155307DunbineMashin hero WataruFushigi Yugi12 KingdomsRayearthEl-HazardEscaflowneInuyashaI probably forgot 75% of them.
>>288155277I blame Re Zero for the current state of isekai and I consider Inuyasha the grandfather of isekai
>>288153354>tsundere femcInto the trash.
>>288153354>>288153373>>288153393Bullshit. ZnT has that retarded harem-bait trait that ultimately goes full mono anyway or harem-baits even after the definitive mono commitment. SAO pulls the same shit. It's a key characteristic of 2000s battle-harem LNs. Both of them don't do anything reminiscent of an isekai either. The funniest part is when people say that Kirito is an """OP MC""" but then only refer to the same 2 scenes of Kirito tanking specifically "low-level" PKs' attacks and Kirito going jedi on random scrubs in GGO. Most people bringing them up either never actually watched/read them and just got their information from shorts and ecelebs, or their last watch was 15 years ago when it first aired and supplement their lacking memories with "vibes". But the most definitive thing is that such people almost certainly got their info about isekai from ecelebs and never actually watched (much less read) them themselves.
>>288155277It's not a harem, you never watched ZNT did you
>>288153438It checks pretty much every box in the "what you want from an isekai" bingo and is kind of a rags to riches story where you get to enjoy both the underdog protag isekai and the demigod protag isekai trope. It also has the whole Hogwarts thing going on as well as aristocrat political intrigue. What brings it down in most people's eyes are the female lead and the copout plot twists. Supposedly the light novel is a lot better, but maybe that's just wishful thinking from my side because I enjoyed the anime back in the day and the author's attempt to conclude the story before dying of cancer is very inspiring.
>>288155307SAO was written in 2001 or 2002; .hack was the first, but SAO preceded most other stories people credit as being the first.The boom of LN adaption also preceded SAO. It's success only caused the industry to double down on it.
>>288155598Only intelligent post here
>>288155609It doesn't have a harem ending but most harems don't have that. Otherwise, it's a harem through and through. There's Louise, the maid, the princess, the rival girl, the elf. All bishojo characters getting into ecchi situations with protag-kun. I don't know what to call it if not a harem.
>>288153354Chronicles of Narnia called.
>>288155835Harems drag things out and only by the end MAYBE the mc picks a girl, in ZNT Saito and Louise are a couple since season 1 to the end, every other girl is just a test of their relationship, a little flavor, there are no rivals, i believe that's what sets it apart from the rest.>>288155994ends with a monkey causing armagedon
>>288153354should have married dragon tits
>>288156026ZnT mogs every isekai that has been released since then, despite the problems after season 2.
>>288155598seethe more. SAO is shit
>>288155307.hack got the most beautiful soundtrack ever written though
>>288155449Gow is Rezero responsible for the isekai craze? It predates Mushoku Tensei the so called grandfather of isekia by retards by a few months but there were othrr naroukei isekai stories before it.
>find out about Zero no Tsukaima bacj un 2015>oh it's one of these being sent to a fantasy world stories, no interestApparently my mind knew what an isekai was back in 2015 and thought that these kind of stories are trash back then. I was aware of Inuyasha, Kyo Kara Maoh and some other manga where a girl is a loner and imagines being in a fantasy world in her free time until she is really send there during that time.And of course stuff like Narnia make me not interested in that concept.I thought Fate Stay Night was also an isekai for some reason when I've heard about it.
>>288157197*How
Magic Knight Rayearth is probably the great-grandmother for series that Westerners have familiarity with or remember. But isekai became a lot more common after Dog Days in Spring 2011, so maybe Dog Days is the direct influence?
>>288157484El Hazard seems to be the prototype of the modern harem isekai. I think it's connected to the Tenchi multiverse somehow. I like the teacher there. I was never a big fan of the girls in a tenchi related show.
>>288157484I've seen Dog Days praised on /a/ but I find it to be rather boring.
>>288157484Only by bare premise not by overall qualities
>>288157810It's shilled by posers, in reality it's really shit
>>288155598You're confusing isekai with Narouslop
>>288153438>>288153506>>288153522samefag
>>288158473:3
>>288158505Kill yourself THK
>loli defeats every single tit cow that comes her wayFinally some fresh air, how many times do lolis win? can barely count to 10
>>288157810It's nice if you don't care about the story and just want to see kemonomimi tits and ass, nothing comes close in that department. It also has every big name VA from the 2010s. I think that's part of the reason they didn't make more than 3 seasons despite it coming out during the boom of Isekai.
>>288158683The first season was okay but I find the other seasons to be too boring. Sometimes an anime needs a story. I can understand the appeal of the blonde very big tiddied girl, I think her name was Yukikaze. I prefer Zero no Tsukaima and Shakugan no Shana a lot over Dog Days. I also prefer Rezero, Konosuba, Overlord and Youjo Senki over Dog Days. I don't like Tensura, I'm not fond of Shield Hero and I find Mushoku Tensei to be okay but mid tier.I'm also not a fan of kemonomimi.
>>288159020Again, it's fine if you quit caring about the story. Tsuzuki has never written a good anime story to save his life. All of his best works are in VNs like Wanko where he is free to introduce 50 characters and explore their backstories. In his shows and in his manga, its a scattershot attempt at appealing to everyone with saturation. I think by the end, Dog Days had like 50 characters.
>>288159104The mc bodyswapped with her in one episode.
>>288155994Alice in Wonderland called.
>>288159168I'm sure that only happened because Yukikaze is BY FAR the most popular side character, maybe the most popular character. Otherwise she just entered the story and vanished like all the others
if the author didn't die, they would have made a bad ending anyway.
>>288153354The best isekai anime is No Game No Life.Its the only isekai I dig harder than Mushoku, and I'm pretty biased to MT even though I don't really think its actually good.Then, you can put Drifters at 2nd.I haven't watched Tanya yet but I doubt "duck loli in military" can be THAT good, and take away the #1 spot in my heart. I'm looking forward to see if I'll be blown away by its story though since anons praise it to be not generic.Re:Zero, Overlord, Eminence is a tier below these. Then, Familiar of Zero is a tier below them. And I'm saying all of this as someone who holds massive nostalgia for ZnT. Not saying I hate it, its pretty fun, but the only actual good part of it is the moment where Saito fights the entire army by himself lol
>>288153354That's not a yankee in king arthur's court.
>>288153354>made just because the author couldnt supress his fantasies of 11 year old Hermione sitting on his face anymore.
>>288160450And that's why he's in Heaven right now.
>>288160408I forgot No Game No Life there>>288159020I think it's also above the others including Zero no Tsukaima. Mondaji-tachi is below the others like Konosuba I mentioned. I hoped it would be like NGNL but at least the bunny there is very hot despite me not liking kemonomimi that much.
>>288160529Mondaiji is not as good as NGNL since despite the games theme it has, and while I like Izayoi, it still has an overpowered MCI'd rate Mondaiji above Re:Zero and Konosuba etc though
>>288153438It's awful and it doesn't have a single redeeming feature. The only people that like it are waifufags.
>>288160846What do you think about Gate JSDF? I like it a bit. I think some of the hate it gets is because of japan wank and people being angry that the american military is shown there to be a bit incompetent.
>>288153354OVA about how he got that F-2A is absolutely needed
>>288160933I watched it way back, I think its okay. What I remember the most with it is the military slaying a dragon with guns and shite. Well, thats just what its about: The Army vs Isekai, and obviously otherworldly magic loses to the JSDF in this show. Kinda meh imo
>>288160933Wut? In GATE, JSDF is extremely incompetentFor one thing, they blatantly disregard basic tactics, underestimate their opponent, and neglect biological protection. They were just lucky they didn't run into anything dangerous.And what's worse, the MC, being a mid-level commander and an otaku at the same time, fails to realize that just because there are "Roman Legion" type soldiers in one place doesn't mean there won't be, say, advanced and aggressive wizards a few thousand kilometers away.
>>288155598>The funniest part is when people say that Kirito is an """OP MC""" but then only refer to the same 2 scenes of Kirito tanking specifically "low-level" PKs' attacks and Kirito going jedi on random scrubs in GGO.how was Kirito able to hack the server and save the AI girl in the superdungeon?how was Kirito able to turn the tables on the server admin at the end of the elf arc and pull fucking Excalibur out of his arse?
>>288160408overlord fucking sucks however
>>288161177The problem is that it would only take one Megumin, who isn’t even an OP character to wipe out their "military-style picnic" because they’re all gathered in one place.And if they ran into someone like Rimuru, they’d be screwed (of course, I'm talking only about strength, because neither the Crimson Mage nor the Slime would attack without a reason).They should have prepared from the very beginning for a confrontation with this kind of badass. That’s where the MC would come in leading a reconnaissance unit, but not just charging in recklessly like they did; instead, they’d first look for serious threats. Above all, they’d need to question Rori about what she knows regarding magic, dangers, etc., and where to find wizards or other tech experts, etc."Do you know, and if not, where can one find out about other countries?"And of course, they’d have to learn how to fight a magical opponent. Rori could help, but the MC and the rest would have to have more than just straw in their brains.
>>288153354>I really want to live!
>>288161336>Ainz>OP characterHe can't even change his form into anything other than a hideous skeleton
>>288160408>The best isekai anime is No Game No Life.Stopped reading, NGNL is absolute dogshit
>>288160408The best Isekai are 12 Kingdoms and Mushoku Tensei. Nothing else really comes close to these two.
>>288153354This shit was fucking garbage, get the fuck out of here with that shit.
>>288161534Lulz. Its the isekai I have fun the most and I like the most, so its the best
>>288161635Your skin is the color of poop just like your soul
>>288160408minecraft isekai mogs all
>>288153354>the father of all isekaiIf we're talking about old isekai with recognizable tropes that wouldn't be out of place today, it was El Hazard in the mid-90s.>generic self-insert gets sent to a fantasy world, has special powers, saves the day, and has tons of cute girls thrown at him
>>288161804I believe I've never even heard of this one
>>288161829God-tier OP toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDwgBtKLmqo
Nah
>>288161804>almost got a modern sequel>last news of it was 7 years agoit's dead jim
I think it's interesting how older isekai type stories usually ended with some kind of return to the original world, whereas isekai today tends to lean even harder into full escapism by having main characters very deliberately choosing to stay in the fantasy world. Sign of the times I suppose
>>288162127yup. Also the target audience, I fully believe znt's audience were tweens to high schoolers, now the base for re:zero is around 30-35
>>288153354Mar came out earlier
>>288153354 Anyone know any good Next Generation fanfiction for this franchise?
>>288161678Cope with your shit series, vagabond.
>>288153354>MC is a cheating man whoreFucking disgusting
>>288164697
>>288155307>the point was ride the MMO era not an isekaithen Hunter x Hunter's Greed Island came first>June 11th, 2001 (Weekly Shōnen Jump #1644, No. 28)
>>288155395isn't Inuyasha time travel? I swear "isekai" doesn't mean anything anymore
>>288166405Not an isekai, it's revealed that the island is a real place in the real world at the end of the arc
>>288155994Divine Comedy called.
>>288166456>Not an isekaiyes that's literally what you said in the previous post that I quotedI mentioned HxH for the "ride the MMO era" partSAO is not the first MMO-inspired series nor the first isekai series
>>288161618This is the most insulting thing you could ever say to 12 Kingdoms, don't put it next to that garbage please.
>>288166550Mushoku Tensei is great. Read the WN my friend.
>>288166573I've tried it, it wasn't any better.
>>288166502I don't know man, there was barely any commentary about mmos in greed island if any
>>288161534>>288161677ngnl is kino and the light novels are even more cracked out insane kinoMAKE S2, SHIRO NEEDS A PREGNANT BELLY
>>288166443To be fair a lot of classic isekai stories that get labeled isekai are actually time travel stories, the isekai is less literal in these cases since the time travel usually involves the past or the future being so fantastical that it might as well be another world.
Why doesn't Dragon Ball count as isekai? Also a very old example at 1984.
>>288153354it's shit
>>288167141Because I said so
>>288166833We can't have nice things anon, how many times I have to teach you this lesson?You will get your 12th iteration of SAOslop and you will eat it and you will say "thank you may I have another?".
>>288153354When does it get good? I stopped watching at like ep 8
>>288153438Tiffania and the Maid are best girls. That's good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaxlsKJfu4ACan't believe he just dies at the end of Season 2
>>288168262My eyes are sweating, everytiem.
>>288167991around the end of season 1
>>288167170Correction: It's The shit.
>>288153354Louise a best.
>>288153438pretty middling 2000s harem romcom
>>288153438It's an isekai from before the big isekai boom (because it was part of what inspired said boom, obviously), so it's very different from generic isekai that came after it. I think the first season is worth a watch at the very least, to see if you end up liking it, it's definitely something that any modern (isekai) anime viewer should watch just because of how influential it became. At the very least, it's interesting to see how ZnT is different from other isekai.Watching modern Isekai without having seen ZnT is like trying to read modern fantasy and having never given LotR a read.
Im still mad about the maid character assassination in s2
>>288172605there is literally nothing redeemable about Louise unless you're a masochist. She's not even the best flattie
>>288153354>poor man's Taiga
>>288155598>or their last watch was 15 years ago when it first aired and supplement their lacking memories with "vibes"Why would you rewatch something that sucked big fat donkey dick like Sword Art Online?
>>288173037taiga is a poor mans louise
>>288162012So close
>>288153354>>the father of all isekai>Zoomtards honestly believe this. And I'm not even suggesting my own image is the oldest either, this genre is old as fuck.
>>288158683I love Dog Days>>288159020I also am a fan of kemonomimiand now Endfield got to meit's so over...
