Why is sci-fi anime dead? The last prominent sci-fi anime (code geass) was 20 fucking years ago, with a single westernshit (edgerunners) as an exception.
>prominentWho cares. And there's been a few Gundam anime the last few years. The issue is your definition of sci-fi is super specific and weeds out 90% of what's considered sci-fi just because you don't like it. Tengoku Daimakyou is still going as well and is getting a second season.
>>288156542tourist
>>288156542Steins Gate was sci=fi lol.
>>288156654>The issue is your definition of sci-fi is super specificIt's not at all>Tengoku DaimakyouLiterally who >>288156835Ah you're right, fair enough. But you have to agree popular sci-fi has become exceedingly rare in a sea of isekai and shonenslop
>>288156936>Tengoku Daimakyou>Literally whoSo you're not just a "only this thing I like counts as sci-fi" person, you're just a normalfag that has seen 10 anime and yet have retarded opinions like you started this thread about.
>>288156936You just have to know where to look. Watch Apocalypse Hotel lol.
>>288157044Are you saying it's popular? I can't even find the upcoming season on MAL >you're just a normalfag Yes obviously, I never denied that
Just because your discord friends don't talk about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
>>288157531Lurk for 7 years before posting.
>>288157531Again, why does it matter if it's popular? Can you only enjoy something if other people enjoy it too? If you want to go by MAL it seems like it was the second highest rated show of its season.
>>288156542The fifth season of Legend of the Galactic Heroes: Die Neue These is apparently in the making, but it was announced 2½ years ago already.
>>288157671A genre being popular means there's a higher chance of something incredibly good coming out of it
The Ghost in the Shell is coming out in two months.
>>288157977No, it doesn't. If anything it means everyone will bandwagon into making things in that genre and it will be flooded with garbage. How many sci-fi anime do you remember from the 70s and 80s when it was probably at its peak in popularity? You don't even know about Tengoku Daimakyou, much less some low budget 70s bullshit sci-fi anime that nobody has thought about in 50 years.
>>288157671For some reason, women and gay men are obsessed with popularity and commercial success. It's like they need things to be popular or massive sellers in order to like them. The idea that they can enjoy something or that something is good in spite of its success is completely alien to them.It's like retards who cry that rock is dead when there are thousands of rock acts out there, but that exist outside of music charts because their works don't get millions of plays in streaming sites.
>>288158152>For some reason, women and gay men are obsessed with popularity and commercial successstfu loser that's not a "women and gay men" thing those are just arbitrary groups you're bigoted towardsit's a normie thing, dumbass
>>288158236>normielurk moar
>>288156542But we had Gridman, Cyberpunk, the 10000 Gundam anime, that post apocalyptic manga + anime, the new one by the Mezzo Forte guy, Snowball Earth. And soon we are getting GITS, Patlabors and Taro's Evangelion.I'll say the issue is not that we don't have enough SF, but that half of SciFi animes are mechas.
>>288156654>Tengoku DaimakyouIsnt that the troon manga? If It is that story is just crap THAT got forgotten the moment It came out.
>>288159108Cyberpunk is from an already established and highly profitable franchise that is majority not anime, it could be argued it counts less than a normal sci-fi anime
>>288156542>Why is sci-fi anime dead?Here are your choices:A) Take painful efforts to craft a setting world with consistent technologies and rules, carefully handwaving the cheesiest trope (viewer will call it magic anyway), any cool and powerful technology need maintenances, a big infrastructure, maybe fuels and spare parts, regulation, polittics... the plot ramification change at the speed of information so you need to manage wireless communication or even a future internet without your public laughing at you for the slightest mistake.B) Make shit up as you go for a magic medieval (power) fantasy, nowadays you don't even need plot or MC backstory, just isekai someone and have a clicbait twist.C) Have herbivore MC accidentally get a 10/10 harem in a japanese school romcomD) Cute girls doing cute things
>>288156542maybe scifi has just been done to death, its not abnormal for a genre to reach a breaking point
>>288159201>it could be argued it counts less than a normal sci-fi animeYet it was made in Japan by our boy Imaishi, easily surpassing the game story by far.
>>288159196It doesn't matter what you think about it, it is a sci-fi series. That was my initial point, that people exclude anything they don't like.
>>288156542People no longer have hope for the future, sci fi peaked during the boomer-gen x era because they had the promise of a good life ahead. Also the millennials and zoomers see technology as a demonic entity that has destroyed their life.
>>288159205So basically Mangaka got lazy af?>>288159390That also makes sense
>>288159201And OP's image come from an adaptation of a manga. Shocking, isn't it?
>>288156542Tengoku Daimakyou is great from not too long ago.
I'm so tired of all these "sci-fi is dead" threads from retards that don't watch anime
>>288159462You know that's not the same
>>288159196>Isnt that the troon manga?sci-fi is inherently a trans genre
>>288156835It's sci-fi but also dumb slop for redditors.
>>288159196You newfags would not survive reading classic scifi. TD is pure kino.
>>288159450>So basically Mangaka got lazy af?If only it was just that.They put all their efforts into catering to their most lucrative markets, like compulsive buyers.The market for sci-fi is niche in comparison.
>>288156542>forgetting psycho passKill yourself.
>>288156542Sci-fi anime isn’t dead, but the center of gravity changed hard after the 2000s.You’re comparing an era dominated by big original TV anime like Code Geass, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Eureka Seven, Ergo Proxy, and Psycho-Pass to today’s industry, which is optimized for different things.A few big reasons:### 1. Original sci-fi is financially riskyComplex sci-fi worlds are expensive:* custom mechanical designs* heavy background art* animation complexity* longer setup before payoffMeanwhile, adaptations of successful light novels, manga, and mobile game IP are safer bets. That’s why fantasy/isekai exploded. You can make:* generic medieval towns* reusable tropes* faster audience onboarding* guaranteed merch/mobile collabsA dense political mecha series like Code Geass is much harder to greenlight now.### 2. The otaku market changedLate-90s/2000s anime fandom was heavily shaped by:* cyberpunk* mecha* post-bubble economic anxiety* techno-optimism mixed with fearNow the dominant commercial audience is more into:* comfort fantasy* idol/media mix projects* romance* escapism* character attachment over speculative worldbuildingStudios follow what reliably sells Blu-rays, gacha tie-ins, figures, and streaming licenses.### 3. Mecha collapsed as a mainstream genreA huge amount of “anime sci-fi” was really mecha.When mecha weakened commercially, sci-fi visibility dropped with it. Younger viewers often don’t have the same attachment to giant robots that audiences raised on Mobile Suit Gundam or Neon Genesis Evangelion did.You still get entries like:* 86* Mobile Suit Gundam: The Witch from Mercury* Vivy: Fluorite Eye's Song* Heavenly Delusion* Pluto…but they don’t dominate culture the way older mecha/sci-fi once did.
>>288158054But according to >>288159205 every sci-fi anime is a meticulously crafted masterwork, why would you want less of that
>>288160359### 4. Streaming changed pacing and production Modern anime production committees often want: * immediate hooks* binge retention* social media clips* globally marketable archetypes Slow-burn philosophical sci-fi struggles in that environment. A show like Serial Experiments Lain would be a much tougher sell today. ### 5. The “prestige sci-fi” audience partly moved elsewhere A lot of viewers who once looked to anime for ambitious sci-fi now get it from: * prestige games* Western TV* novels* indie animation Things like Cyberpunk 2077 helped make Cyberpunk: Edgerunners possible in the first place. And yes, that series felt different partly because CD Projekt financed a high-risk cyberpunk project that a normal anime committee might not have approved. That said, calling sci-fi anime “dead” ignores some strong recent works: * Steins;Gate* Psycho-Pass* Akudama Drive* Orb: On the Movements of the Earth (historical/speculative rather than classic sci-fi)* Dandadan (genre hybrid sci-fi/supernatural chaos) The bigger issue is that sci-fi is no longer the flagship identity of anime culture the way it felt during the 1985–2012 stretch. Back then, anime was one of the few places you could regularly get weird, adult, philosophical speculative fiction on TV. Today the medium is broader, but also more commercially conservative.
>>288156542If I may indulge in some layman psychology. We live in somewhat troubled times, and when we live in somewhat troubled times people crave more lighthearted fare that isn't going to challenge them, as opposed to dark edgy shit about the cyberpunk dystopia. It's a bit too close to the world we actually live in right now.
>>288156542there's been plenty of anime scifi, Virgin Punk and Sorcery of the Nymph circle were released recentlywhat scifi aspects did you like about akira? you dont have to know about the terminology, just the actions
>Dr Stone>Ghost Concert - missing Songs>Snowball Earth>Trigun Stargaze>Fumetsu no Anata e>GNOSIA>Shuumatsu Touring>SI-VIS - The Sound of Heroes>Towa no Yuugure>Ginga Tokkyuu Milky Subway>Kamitsubaki-shi Kensetsuchuu>Necronomico no Cosmic Horror Show>Onmyo Kaiten Re Birth Verse>Takopii no Genzai>Apocalypse Hotel>Bye Bye, Earth>Kidou Senshi Gundam GQuuuuuuX>Kowloon Generic Romance>Lazarus>MIRU Watashi no Mirai>Moonrise>Ore wa Seikan Kokka no Akutoku Ryoushu>Sentai Dai Shikkaku>Uchuujin MuuMuu>Your Forma>Momentary Lily>>>>>"Why is sci-fi anime dead?"
>>288160627I love grandeur in general. An immersive world. Technology getting shown off. High stakes. Shit like Akira, NGE, code geass is absolutely amazing because of that. Why is it so rare if it's so tried and tested?
>>288156542Because is a garbage genre, even isekai is more creative. just look at GitS, 99% of the discussion is some goonershit, that's your peak of sci-fi.
>>288159934What
>>288159450>So basically Mangaka got lazy af?They seem to work hard enough and then some. But when they money you get for a chapter is only enough to just about scrape by for a week then spending, say, a month on average to make each chapter...Also keep in mind that there's basically always been plenty of creatively barren knockoffs published, it's what appeals to the suits with the money. But the copycats of yesterday have been forgotten, while we still have the copycats of today right in front of us.
>>288160761>even isekai is more creative Here's your (you), weak bait now fuck off
>>288160504In my opinion, fantasy gained popularity because the inherent pastoral nature of its setting allows viewers to take a break from the overwhelming amount technology we have now. Being able to look up anything at any time or being able to carry entire media libraries in a small device may have been a hopeful novelty back in the 80s, but instead of helping humankind it led to people being glued to screens consuming disposable content. And, as a consequence, people began to see technology as a burden.
Japs only care about max escapism to get away from their miserable lives slaving away 14 hour work days. That means low effort copy/pasted isekai powerfantasy haremshit to self insert into.
>>288160919No? That's a fact>first post is GundamSee.
>>288159205Worldbuilding is the easiest part of writing, if you find it hard then you really are utterly lacking in creativity and just don't get it.
>>288161137Worldbuilding is about opening wikipedia and copypaste shit, good worldbuilding is the same but do it more and then people will go>damn that's a lot of words, what a good worldbuilding
>>288160686Oh! Old anime used to do that constantly, would that be considered worldbuilding? I miss the days when characters tinkered with their weapons and tech.
>>288161222You are not a creative person I see
>>288156835that was almost 20 years ago too
I miss space anime that isn't about mechs. What did we even get in last years? Remakes of LoGH and Yamato?
>>288161950Gnosia, I think.
>>288156542Anime is escapism. Nobody wants to be reminded of how shit their life is currently.
>>288162071Technically, but not like that played any part in the series. They could have been as well stranded underground or anywhere else.
>>288162157I didn't watch the show, but that seems more like poor worldbuilding.
>code geass>scifiwhat are we doing here?
gundam is like the star wars of anime like its impossble to make a new sci fi francise
>>288162828Well it isn't NOT sci-fi...
>>288156542Why would you bring up something gay like Code Geass when talking about sci-fi? It's not even sci-fi, and even Akira is more closely related to cyberpunk. Sure, cyberpunk is technically sci-fi, but you usually refer to it by its specific genre.
>>288162931Code Geass is cool as hell
>>288162828My Hero Academia is my favorite sci-fi series.
>>288161950Same. Space opera >>>>>>> big robot toy commercial.
real sci-fi anime has never been tried
>>288156542Scifi was fun because it felt like a look into the future. Now we live in the future and it sucks
>>288163454Was 1984 fun
>>288163472Was 1984 sci-fi?
>>288163498It didn't have neon lights and synthwave soundtrack so I guess not
>>288163132Please explain how you think the two are mutually exclusive.
>>288156542>Why is sci-fi anime dead?What I think you MEANT to ask is->Why is sci-fi anime no longer the monolithic spectacle it once was?There are several reasons.>the Japanese economic crunch made cell drawing financially non-viable for studios, and the iconic stylings were starved out of the industry>the science fiction genre is most often used as a speculative lens through which the author can ask pertinent questions about the present; the present frankly sucks, and people really just don't want to think about it when they're trying to practice escapism>the fantasy genre has more readily captured this zeitgeist desire to escape to a "better world" (as seen with the explosive popularity of the isekai plot format)>modern writers are not as connected to classical literature or futurist academic thought in equal measure, and thus cannot formulate or articulate ideas within a science fiction framework as elegantly as the previous generations' writers>the 20th century's exponential scientific growth churned a lot of free publicity for science fiction, and now that visible progress has slowed for the most part, the public interest is elsewhereWith all that being said, all you have to do is Google "science fiction anime [year]" and you'll get a good half-dozen shows per year on average. Whether or not they're good to you, or indeed "objectively" good, is up to individual interpretation, but their existence is not.
>>288163756>the science fiction genre is most often used as a speculative lens through which the author can ask pertinent questions about the present; the present frankly sucks, and people really just don't want to think about it when they're trying to practice escapismHow come the USSR has a thriving sci-fi scene then
>>288162931>It's not even sci-fi, Huh? It literally is>and even Akira is more closely related to cyberpunkAnon... cyberpunk is sci-fi too...
>>288163756>science fiction anime 2025Dr. Stone, Gundam, Kaiju no.8 , Apocalypse Hotel, Takopi, Gnosia, Your Forma, Kowloon Generic RomanceEven chatgpt shits itself trying to make this "technically sci-fi" list.
>>288163498Yeah, dystopian science fiction.
>>288164099>Dr. StoneIs this actually science fiction? I've never seen it but from what I've read and briefly seen it's basically "ok we are sci-fi stage in the first 10mins but then the world resets and we just do historical fantasy with perfect knowledge"
>>288164238it's fiction and it's about science
>>288163805>Why did a communist state require a strong dose of propaganda justifying rocketry research and funding during the Cold War?Iunno bro it's a mystery to me>>288164099>ShatGPT>couldn't even look through some shitty anime watchlist site for 10 minutesThere are at least five (5) anime in the sci-fi genre. Thusly, the genre isn't dead. Your thread is bupkis, your premise busted, OP is a fag, Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect $200. If you wanted to whine like a faggot about Old Good New Bad, you should've just made a thread about that instead of making retarded wrong claims whole cloth out of lies.
>>288166369>>Why did a communist state require a strong dose of propaganda justifying rocketry research and funding during the Cold War?what happened to asking pertinent questions about the present
So we need to kill Putin, Trump and Xi to make sci-fi Anime happen again?
>>288158616Go back to Tumblr if you want to be an anti-capitalist who is missing their period.
>>288159390>People no longer have hope for the futureThis is true. The future will either be more of the same or a decline.
>>288160359>>288160456Thanks for your analysis, ChatGPT.
>>288169979Damn, was it that obvious?
>>288160359>>288160456Thanks grok.
>>288163472Same applies to 1984. No one wants or needs to read it anymore because we already live in that dystopian future and it sucks
>>288156542You arent looking hard enough
>>288173333Easy the best sci-fi title of this decade but only me and 3 other guys watched it.
>>288156542>a *shitdumb ESL monkey
>>288173735Holy newfag
>>288156936>Literally whoOkay fuck off and kill yourself you newnigger tourist fuck. Do not make threads on this board. You are not welcome.
>>288163750Look, retard, nobody is saying you can't have cute girls doing cute things in space but you see generally speaking CGDCT and space are unrelated. In the same way, space opera and mecha are generally separate sub-genres.
>>288156542Since no one said these yet:Id: InvadedAoButa (more of a mystery show but it's got a sci-fi atmosphere)Summertime RenderSprigganDeca-dencePromareC: The Money of Soul and Possibility Control
>>288174959have these threads been stealthy recommendation threads all along
>>288156542Redline is kind of a classic. Or is it not your flavour of sci-fi?
>>288174959Also forgot these ones:Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica (time-loop)Sakura Wars (steampunk)FMA 2003 (the automail and studies of alchemy;FMA: Brotherhood included, duh)Darker than BlackAjinPrincess PrincipalBnHA (Hatsume Mei sciencing the shit out of the heroes' quirks)
>>288156542Samurai 8 ended a couple of years ago
>>288167964>kill everyone but the actual problem
>>288156654This. Shinsekai Yori is scifi as well but knowing OP he'll handwave it as "gay shit"
>>288175126Who is the actual problem?
>>288156835Stein's;Gate is a period drama with fantasy elements.
>>288160669these are all fantasy
>>288156542The definitive turning point of anime history is when the ratio of perverts to engineering nerds tipped in favour of the perverts.
What happened to this?
>>288175241Sci-fi is just fantasy but with technological set dressing
>>288156542because they're pretentious doomie dogshits that's why
>>288156654FPBPOP BTFO BEYOND RECOVERY
>>288156835Steins gate does a terrible job of being a science fiction show, the way time travel works there is on the verge of handwave territory.
>>288159390But the 20th century is full of sci-fi work all about how terrible technology is and will doom us all.>Brave New World>1984>Fahrenheit 451>I have no mouth and I must scream>Jurassic Park >Terminator>The entire cyberpunk genre
>>288156542Can you imagine the future? Sci-fi stands on optimistic view on technologies, look on scam, surveillance and enshitification around and write something positive. You can't
>>288175820this must be a bit at this point
>>288173333I liked the idea, but execution was lacking. And the fact that the studio seemed to have been paid in ramen didn't help. The final movie especially appeared very low budget.
