Why do manga readers nowadays care more about themes than presentation? Jujutsu Kaisen Modulo is an example. It has a fast pace, exclusively expository dialogue and uninspired paneling yet it's still praised for its themes.Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying themes don't matter but rather that their importance is directly linked to their execution.
nobody gives a shit about modulo
I would be fine praising themes if the themes were actually interesting. Rehashing the same fairy tail book themes that have permeated society for hundreds of years is a waste, at least try to have something new to say.
>>288165720substance > style
>>288165937One cannot exist without the other.
>>288165720>Jujutsu Kaisen ModuloDropped jjk when Gege killed Nobara to make more space for his tranny paradise, I don't fuckin know what a modulo is
>>288166020sureyour point being?
>>288165937Yeah, and execution is part of the substance.
>>288165720makes em feel smart
>>288166070>executionwasn't it presentation? why are we changing words here?
>>288166094Not even him, but>Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying themes don't matter but rather that their importance is directly linked to their execution.Learn to read.
>>288166038You can't value one while ignoring the other, you need to talk about both as a unit.
>>288166119sureI still don't see your point? are you saying you can't prefer one over the other, or that they are always perfectly balanced?
>>288165720>their importance is directly linked to their execution.I can tell you've never read a single religious or philosophical work in your entire life.
>>288166020Instruction manuals are 100% substance 0% style.
>>288165720I would rather read a shitty webcomic that tries to say something, even if it fails, than the prettiest piece of art in history with nothing to say
>>288166147I'm saying that your preference doesn't matter because both things are inseparable. A work that has themes that interest me but executes them poorly is a poor work. For some reason, people are afraid or ashamed to admit it.
>>288166180>>288166240Thay all still possess a style. Just because it's not as apparent as in works of art doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
>>288166306It's not binary and I'm not talking about being pretty but about being well-made.
>>288165720Not gonna address the main question for now but God modulo is so shit from start to finish, every single chapter was dogshit.
>>288165817This
>>288165720Because they don't read manga.They watch video essays and tiktoks describing what happens in a manga. And in that format, the moment-to-moment experience of reading is irrelevant while the themes are highlighted.
>>288165720>Jujutsu Kaisen Modulo>praised for its themes.the only shit i hear people talk about is an old character showing up
>>288165720>yet it's still praised for its themes.I'd like to live in your universe buddy. Everyone pretty much laughs at the alien plotline with them being 100% in the wrong and needing a Deus Ex Machina to solve it that also destroys many possibilities in the setting.
>>288165841Having something new to say is an unachievable goalYou're never going to say something that hasn't been said beforeJust make sure you say it in a way that's worth saying, and not just a heartless repetition of someone else's words
>>288165817this
>>288169369This.
>>288166180Plato's dialogues mog Aristotle's dry ass lecture texts with its otherworldly poetic-mythic composition that allows your soul to directly ascend into contemplation of the Forms.
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>>288165720This isn't unique to manga or even a new phenomenon. Writers have been more interested in themes and deconstruction and shit than interesting narratives with cohesion and payoff for decades. Just look at Watchmen
>>288165720Coming up with themes is easy. Coming up with writing that convincingly sells the themes is hard.
>>288176143what isn't cohesive or lacking payoff about watchmen?
>>288165720Because the average media consoomer is barely literate and thinks that art is homework or a puzzle to solve in which your goal is to strip out the substance from its form and hyperfocus on that, negating real art appreciation and essentially turning it into crude description.That and they have never taken their time to appreciate any truly quality art so they think all art is reducible to a mere allegory.
the only thing that matters in literature is execution. i dont understand why zoomers are obsessed with complexity or "substance", it doesnt matter if the work is inconsistent or poorly executed.
