Gentlemen, place your bets.
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>>288168466>not translated yet Fuck, my excitement just got shot down.
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Nobody cares
>>288168590>he still can't read mango via body and facial expression
>>288168609>>288168590Sumanai, TL usually comes out a few hours later.
>>288168622I can but I prefer the prose of it all, especially with this series.
>>288168566Kita! >>288168590TL is usually out in a 2-4 hours.
>>288168626We really do need a TL for this chapter though.
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>>288168665>it's fucking Christmas
>>288168665>ChristmasTook her 3 months lol
>>288168644>>288168648Yeah, considering the stakes of where the series is, I'm just going to wait before looking at any of these. I'll see you all then, friends.
>>288168689End of raw chapter. Now we wait.
So Maruto didn't take an easy way out, that's good. Though I won't be surprised if it turns out Yuu already started going out with Hikari in the meantime.
Even without the TL, Yom's art is so expressive you can already tell what's going on with a pretty good idea.Guess I'll re-read the last few chapters while I wait for it though, need to refresh myself on all the happenings.
>>288168766>Yuu already started going out with Hikari in the meantimeNo way either of them are so heartless to do that now that Yami is back in his life and Hikari knows what happened between them. They aren't shitty people. Yuu started to move on because it had been so long since he had seen Yami
>3 months of waitingDamn, that must've been rough as fuck for both of them.
>>288168801It just feels like a very Maruto kind of twist.>>288168848Almost like waiting for Saranami updates.
>>288168931>It just feels like a very Maruto kind of twist.Nah, this has been too well written for everyone to suddenly because a different person. I'd expect it from shitty "mature" josei tripe about lovers triangles.
Its outhttps://mangadex.org/title/cf1c93cc-4bb5-4311-b926-0f02ad123ad2/it-s-a-little-late-but-i-ve-fallen-in-love-with-my-childhood-friend
>>288169106Poor girl wants to do the right thing so badly. Man I choked up when I read her trying so hard for tails.
>>288168466>>288169106Nice! Dumping the TL.
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>reuniting on Christmas, a particularly romantic holiday in japanMaruto is playing some twisted game here and I love it. >>288169145It genuinely hurt, and it was incredibly satisfying to see Yuu find her at the station like she asked back then. I love that while Yuu's relationship with Hikari is cheesy and pure, the way him and Yami cross paths always feels like poetry, like there's always a rhyme or reason for everything. It's beautiful.
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>>288169211Hikari is gonna fucking collapse into a broken mess when Yuu tells her that Yami called after she puts on a brave face that she's happy her friend is reaching out.and it's gonna be devastating
>>288169264>dem giant ears
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>>288169310>intentionally stopping at 9 flipsSorry Hikari, you must suffer.
>>288169334Was it autism?
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>>288169354jej
>>288169211The moment I saw her leaning against the railing I knew it was gonna be Yuu. If it was Hikari she would've met her a different place, that spot is too important to her and Yuu.
>>288169372(According to the novel version, she didn't start flipping till November.)
>>288168566lol I hate this so fucking much
>>288169401End chapter.We made it, Yamibros!
>>288169145It’s funny as fuck you think she tried anything rather than just embracing her actual desire.
Live Maruto reaction
Thanks for dumping anon.Looking forward to HikariFace 2.0 but one of sorrow once she finds out who she called.
>>288169310Hmm, good idea, maybe if I flip 10 tails in a row, I'll an hero myself
>>288169450she needed some kind of offload the, idk, weight of it
>>288169451I just think it’s so boring to redo WA2 and Hikari is actually the more interesting romance to explore instead of yet another edgy, immature manic pixie girl. But whatever, author likes what he likes. For me this will always be a disappointment as a series.
>>288169450She did everything people do when they know there's the logical right choice but they really don't want to make it.>best 2 out of 3>no wait, that didn't count it landed wrong>I got distracted when I flipped it so it doesn't count!Like they say, the moment of crystallization of your desires isn't when the coin lands, it's when you know what side you don't want it to land on when you see it spinning in mid-air.
>>288169472Yeah because she’s a retard who overdramatizes everything.
>>288169417>spending the Christmas with Yami>at the place they metI can't get excited yet, but god I hope this goes her way.
>>288168546>>288168566bros...
>>288169511Of course it’s going to go her way. Hey, maybe Hikari will kill herself too.
>>288169492Ehhhh, Hikari isn't really interesting. They're a CF couple that had a rocky start and they've been able to get past it.Yami is a legitimately more interesting story route because of dealing with the collapse of Hikari's relationships with both of them and her inevitable spiral. I highly doubt Yami will ever reveal just how intent she was on calling Yuu unless it's a fit of rage during a confrontation (which would seem pretty likely)
>>288169581Hikari is interesting because she is cheerful but a fully developed person with a realistic inner mentality, not an absurd chipper anime cutout. Yami is boring because she is literally the 2damaged4u BPDemon gf stereotype we’ve seen one million times before. What makes it even boring is the mangaka already did this shit and is just rehashing his greatest hits with this move.
>>288169451>that Hikari extendedwait, I though Yuu was 50/50 in on this with Hikari as a way to get her to reach out to either of them.
>>288169581There’s probably like 6 chapters max left of this. Hikari isn’t going to have some rage out.
>>288169662Yami is a way deeper character than Hikari by miles, you're just upset that it's a WA2 remix.
>>288169692Yami is a dull trope character written with an edgy backstory that appeals to savecels like yourself.
>>288169686>There’s probably like 6 chapters max left of thisI guess the WebNovel was complete? I've just been reading the manga and I can see lots of places left to go. But if it's just gonna be ended after they find each other again then so be it.
>>288169686Just 6? Yami is cooked.
>How could I ever find such a deep and interesting character as Yami? I guess I could put on any slightly edgy romance movie made since the 1970s. Hell maybe I could just watch Breakfast at Tiffany’s again
>>288169730never mind, you're seething speedreader upset at chapter 20. best of luck with your CF handhold kissu hunting
So will Yami be a huge piece of shit and try to sleep with Yuu again ? god ii hope so, so Hikari can show up and ruin this witch evil plan.
>>288169747Nah they release simultaneously. But I expect Yuu and Yami will reignite their relationship with some tears while Hikari smiles on and acceptingly passes to ethereal cuckdom, then we’ll be done.
>>288169792Bro you’re acting like a bitch flipping coins was 1) hard work 2) deep and interesting characterisation.
>>288169831AND THEN THEY WENT TO THE SUMMER FESTIVAL AND THE LOUD NOISE DISTRACTED HER SO SHE DIDN'T HEAR "i like you" OH NOOO CF BROS OUR INTERESTING STORY
Yami does not deserve to win . Hikari only mistake is not developing feeling sooner but Yami was worst because she ghosted Yuu after they were in a relationship and pretty much has Hikari clean her mess.
>>288169666Maruto's just having a laugh. In the novel chapter, Yuu does say he asked Hikari to help get in contact with Yami again, rather than Hikari asking him.
>>288169854I literally find the Hikari route more interesting because it is a cheerful, optimistic girl without doing all the tired anime shit like that anon. As I had already posted in this very thread!
>>288169881does it clarify that he wants to get in contact with her because he wants to see her or that he wants Yami to stop isolating herself and reach out to anyone and stop her self-punishment
>>288169910He obviously wants both of those things.
>>288169910It does not clarify that.
>>288169922Yea, but Maruto's comment makes it seem a bit more complicated than that as does the parting remark about a cruel betrayal.Maybe from her perspective it was all Hikari's doing?
>>288169796It turns into the question of which evil is worse: denying Hikari her crush that she's best friends with (and hasn't had a true romance with yet), or denying Yami her chance to fix her mistakes and return to Yuu so they can continue their first love (which neither of them are over)Both are awful options but there's no chance this finds a third way with Maruto writing it.
Reading the mangadex comments on this chapter is a great way to give yourself an aneurysm.
>>288170052I'm reading it as her concluding the betrayal (the kiss at the festival and the fallout) by not being a good friend, by choosing selfishly instead.
Dunno i just kinda feel nothing about this, maybe the wait between chapters snuffed out my flame
>>288170098There’s no real question here: Yuu is invested in the romantic relationship with Yami, but not (or much less so) in the one with Hikari. So of course it’s the former. But in that case why start the whole thing off with Hikari’s PoV lmao
>>288170098>denying Yami her chance to fix her mistakes and return to Yuu so they can continue their first loveContinue ? Continue what ? She freaking ghosted him and ruined her own relationship him & Hikari. At least Hikari never knew Yuu's feeling for her but Yami outright abandoned him middle of their relationship despite knowing she is hurting him. . You seriously think Yami deserves to win after all this without any consequences while Hikari suffer to make her happy despite doing nothing wrong because " Meh Yami a victim"! What Yami really need to do is take responsibility and free Yuu by giving him closure.
>>288170148I think it just refers to Yami knowing deep-down she was never going to reach out to Hikari and it was just a matter of working up courage to meet Yuu again.
>>288170198Well, if it's gonna be a short manga that ends soon, then it has to start with Hikari for chapter 20 to have any effect, and for Yami's story in general to feel like it has value and weight.>>288170211lol that's not happening, she's not that sweet of a person. Deep inside she knows she messed up, she knows that she broke her own heart and Yuu's too, and she already admitted that she wanted to be found and loved again. She's not letting him go again if she has the chance, and it's not winning without consequence. Its winning by poisoning her friendship with Hikari and knowingly ruining her first love. Not even considering that it would also poison Yuu and Hikari's relationship as well. If she goes through with it, it'll be at the expense of a lot of people's joy (unless Hikari sets herself aside for them, which sadly she might)
>>288170231Its probably this, yeah.
>>288170310Well , that would make Yuu the most unlikable spinless trash with no self respect and dignity.
>>288170198>But in that case why start the whole thing off with Hikari’s PoV lmaoGimmick feels like it's a cheap word, but it intentional to draw the reader into Hikari's world and it helps the moment hit harder than if it had been done in a more traditional drama story way.
>>288170128reading comments anywhere is a great way to hate "people"
>>288170390lol, female poster detected.>THE FUCKING MOID IS AT FAULT!!!1
Yamisisters... we've never been so back
>>288169686>>288169815Last chapter Maruto tweeted that he was counting on Yami to steer the story back toward drama, and since she ended up picking Yuu, I think we aren't getting a peaceful ending just yet.>>288170052In the novel chapter, the first thing she asks Yuu by phone is whether Hikari roped him into this, and he says no, he was the one who asked Hikari to help get back in contact somehow. So that part should be cleared up already.
Ending this shit within 6 chapters would be insane unless it was being forced. The dynamics between the 3 of them cannot be resolved that quickly.
>>288170641It could if yuu is already dating hikari
The previous chapter was late October, so if Yami missed a couple more months of school, what are the odds that she has to repeat year 1 again? Is she going to become Yami-kouhai soon?
>>288170729Probably, but at this point in the story it's about as relevant as Yami having to go restock toilet paper.
>>288169238Return of a maiden in love
>>288170786The main effect is she wouldn't be in the same class as Hikari and the others anymore, for better or worse.
I hope Hikari can find another man to love
>>288170390Is it spineless to chase the right girl even when it's wrong?
>>288169417>On Christmas EveOkay
Hikari really has no leg to stand on or right to get so mad about their relationship. Maruto was smart to start the story with Hikari's PoV and making people so invested in her romantic feelings that it makes you forget what this looks like from Yuu's perspective. He reciprocated a confession and admitted to having a long-time crush, but none of that is some grand betrayal.
>>288171039She was mad because he kissed yami then confessed his love for her
strangle black bitch to death
>>288171059Only Hikari thinks that (initially), we, Yuu and Yami know she kissed him.
>Yami reunites with Yuu on Christmas>Christmas is Couples Day in JapanIt's so over Hikarifags
>>288171113I guess that's why she stop being mad at them months ago.
>>288171137Yami did nothing wrong (Yuu did a little wrongHikari got a full explanation of what was going on and is mature enough to understand this is really fucking complicated.
>We're getting another White Album Code 2 with Hikari getting cucked and Yami winningHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA
suffering builds character
>>288171202Yeah that's my point, she is not mad anymore.
>>288171039This is the thing, there's a whole relationship that Hikari didn't get to see and Yuu/Yami have every right to explore what's left between them.
>>288171220guess you should've actually done something instead of thinking the loser boy next door would be waiting around foreverBSS is not NTR
Yamifags, please explain the appeal of a mentally ill BPDemon who intentionally fucked up the emotions of the boy she loved
>Yami flipped a coin ten times in a row and got tails ten times in a row for YuuAuthor is just mocking us Hikarifags at this point
>>288171260Not even a yamifags but the "I can fix her" girls are always popular
>>288171275There was never any hope and you know that. Yami was never ever going to choose her over Yuu.
>>288171260Because that feeling of being loved overrides all the shitty parts.
lol
>>288168466>Yami literally masturbated to the thought of her and Yuu fucking in the bath tub>Yami flipped a coin over several days to meet Yuu>She even said she'd only call Hikari if she got heads>Decides to meet Yuu in person if it went tails>Yami cried her eyes out when Yuu finally came to meet her>It took place at the same station when they first met>It's on Christmas>Literally same weather and setting when WA2's ending happenedI need to know for my own sanity so that I can drop this manga. How boned is Hikari here?I DON'T GET why Yami has to win and Hikari the normal childhood friend can't? I MISSED the old fluffy manga and NOT THIS SHIT.
This is literally a fucking Yami x Yuu manga if you take out the Hikari parts
>>288171356>Literally same weather and setting when WA2's ending happenedWouldnt be surprised if he reverse it just because of that
>>288171384The same could be said of removing any one member of the triangle desu
>>288169334>>288169354>>288169372>Yami literally didn't get out of her room for months just to meet YuuPlease explain to me why Yami is this much in love with Yuu that her entire fucking life collapsed when she broke up with him and her literal existence revolves around him.
Author has a thing for dark haired girlsHikari was doomed from the beginning
>>288171418He has a thing for nice brunettes, trust the plan
>>288171415Probably he's the only guy she's felt safe with and loved by since her (bio) dad, and even there I'm not really sure if her bio dad was any good, I just remember the stepdad being awful. She loves Hikari as a very important friend, but romantic love tends to surpass even that.
>>288171415She was just doing everything she could to avoid meeting her friends and Yuu, not becoming a complete shut-in.Yuu was the one who pulled her out of a swamp of loneliness and betrayal and abandonment, of course she fucking loves him. She hates to think that she would drag him into her world so she severed ties thinking she could survive but realized that she desperately needs him.
>>288171353Has there ever been a girl who lost to genuine love and the dick as hard as Yami did?
>>288171260There's much more developed emotions with Yami, and she's much more interesting with all her quirks and imperfections. Love is also at its best when it isn't easy, and their love is difficult but true.
>Yami>Will literally kill herself is she doesn't get back with Yuu>Hikari>Will be sad but move on>Might even be happy Yami is dating her childhood friend
Yu and Yami will get togetherHikari will support them but slowly start putting distance between herself and them out of heartacheYu will in return try to get closer to her, which will eventually cause Hikari to make a homewrecking mistakeThis is that White album 2 What if sidestory turned into a full novel
>>288171488>November. Late autumn, when the sunrise gets later and later, no longer disturbing my second nap.>"...I'm tired.">I, Ayami Sudo, spent my days bedridden despite being perfectly healthy, without ever appreciating the gentle and kind sun or even getting out of bed in my room.>I don't leave my room except to take a bath and eat. I'm too lazy to even open the curtains.>In fact, I've stopped going out at all except to the nearby convenience store.>I don't wander around the entertainment district at night, nor do I go to places I shouldn't go in a moment of madness.>And I don't go to clean apartments that are empty and locked up.>It's all her fault...>On the desk sits the letter she left in the apartment's mailbox.>The piece of paper, torn to shreds and then repaired with cellophane tape—a bizarre and inexplicable treatment—still remains within my line of sight.>That piece of paper... no, for me, it's the most effective talisman, and it's what's binding my heart.>If I were to go outside again.>If I were to expand my range of activity like before.>If I were to accidentally stumble upon an ordinary residential area.>If, by some chance, I were to run into one of them...>I was so overwhelmed by both fear and anticipation that my legs froze.
>>288171505>genuine lovethey have a very unhealthy relationship based on inferiority complexes. Her with her tragic family life and trauma induced BPD and Yuu's feelings of inadequacy regarding Hikari. they were only together for 6 months as wellthis shit is textbook highschool dysfunctional relationship and I could honestly see all of them being alone, miserable and destroyed from the fallout of Yami
>Maruto makes it look like he's going to settle the series calmy>Comes in and throws a fucking nuke on the whole thingSasuga MarutoAfter reading his tweet, this is going to turn into an even worse shitshow for Hikari kek
>>288171552ah, my bad, she got depression from Hikari's olive branch. kinda nuts to leave that out of the manga
>>288171588>>288171552>Yami got mad at Hikari's offer to be friends again>Still goes for YuuSeriously, what the fuck is wrong with Yami? She's literally the worst friend ever
>>288171488This. She wanted to use Yuu for her own satisfaction but he saw through her and she accidentally let him in. He was the first person to get close to her like that and actually show her real care and affection. Its no wonder she has an unreasonable love for him, and it's no surprise that she chose him over Hikari in this chapter.
>>288171613She didn't get mad at Hikari, it made her mad at herself for blowing everything up and reminding her that she really hurt Yuu.She never stopped loving him, she just cut him off because she was trying to protect him from herself.
How would a Yuu and Yami marriage be like? How many kids would they have?
>>288171555unhealthy and genuine aren't mutually exclusive
>>2881714151. She's a teenager2. She's a woman3. She's put Yuu up on a pedestal in her mind because he was the first person to see through her false front and try to connect with the real her. Same reason she's obsessed with Hikari.
What is it about Yami's design that makes her so beautiful?
>>288171845She looks smug and confident while looking like she's about to shatter into a million pieces at the same time. Her figure is also really cute and petite.
>>288169264Please don't fucking tell me Yuu is still in love with Yami
>>288171845The hair. Even though it's just a black mass, the way her semi-bangs hang gives a nice sense of softness that can occasionally be lost in other manga. I think in this chapter specifically, even underneath her bulkier clothing, it's easy to tell how thin she is. Also something about her eyes meshes well with the rest of her design, but I feel like I can't describe it well.
>>288171873maybe but at this point he is just happy she is stil alive
>>288171873This is the first chance he's had to actually talk with her since all this insanity has started. Like >>288171909 said probably just wants to make sure she's safe and healthy considering what a mess her life was when she disappeared.
>>288168708she is fucking scum
Men will go with a bpdemon who will ruin their life instead of the normal happy girl just because shes boring
this is one of the more interesting manga + accompanying web novel chapter (or rather it's the other way around isn't it) to come out of Japan in a long time. There are so many pure romance stories, why are people mad Hikari didn't get her pure CF romance?
>>288171873See: >>288169372Reminder that Christmas is the peak romantic holiday in Japan. The date isn't a coincidence, neither is the location: where they first met and began their journey together.It's too soon to tell, but I'm reading it as the beginning of something new but familiar for them.
>>288171953At a young age, yes. But women will go for the worthless abusive male with good physique that will treat her like shit for all their lives.
>>2881719592 main reason why people big mad>Actual valid reasonThey found a cute CF romcom story and got rugpulled hard into something they didn't want. Also the pacing of releases is glacial and 20 chapters in is a pretty fucking big sucker punch.>The other reasonPeople are straight up not literate enough to follow the sequence of events and emotionally mature enough to understand the characters.
>>288171959Because some people want the blandest vanilla SoL, and instead of finding one among the thousands that are out there, they landed here and didn't read who the author was or don't know. This just isn't that kind of manga and it certainly isn't the kind of manga you can read numbly and just enjoy the vibes.
>ywn experience teenage BPDemon loveI'm still unclear if she broke up with him to protect him or to atone to her mom
>>288172293I honestly thought it was to punish herself, but I'd have to reread, since it seems like people are saying it was to protect Yuu
>>288172307You're right but people are coping, she is mentally ill
>>288172307She explicitly states that she's breaking up with him to atone for causing her mom's suicide attempt. However at the same time, she constantly is trying to shield him from her behaviour which is what also leads me to believe she wants to protect him. The reason I don't fully believe the atonement angle is that she really doesn't care THAT deeply for the incredibly dysfunctional family life she's come to have after her bio dad passed away. It seems more like one of those convenient lies to hide behind.
>>288172293>>288172307It's sort of a nebulous yes to all of that. She doesn't feel like she's worthy of Yuu, she feels like she owes her mother the love that neither of them provided for each other, and she wants Yuu to be happy (and thinks she can't do that for him.)
>>288171959I like this manga but there was definitely a rugpull here.
>>288172331I don't think anyone has concluded that she's mentally healthy. She literally has BPD, not the meme version of it. She's not okay, but that doesn't invalidate her as a person.
>>288169334Very cute.
Her smile must be protected.
>>288171646Anon, anyone who doesn't get it at this point is full of shit and trolling, don't bother
>>288172355>>288172356It also doesn't help that her mom is a fucking lost cause, we already know that whatever she's doing isn't making the situation better, highly likely that future chapters will be about confronting the idea that she needs to let her mom go figuratively and literally with accompanying drama/fallout
>>288172504It could go either way. It's already clear that despite Yami's intentions, her friction with her mom is still terrible and she prefers to live in the penthouse than share a place with her mom. It feels like she's already detached herself from her mom to some degree.
>>288172678>それどころか、近所のコンビニに行く以外の外出すらしなくなった。>夜の繁華街を彷徨ったり、血迷って、行っちゃいけない場所に赴いたりもしない。>そして、誰も住んでいなくて閉め切ったままのマンションの掃除にも、行かない。She still lives with her mom, she stopped going to that penthouse after finding the note from Hikari.
>>288172784Oh shit, news to me.
>>288172784from the wn chapter?
>>288171953I can't imagine settling down for someone I find boring. Imagine having to listen to her endless boring bullshit or keeping the most trivial conversations going.
>>288173067Yeahhttps://note.com/saranami/n/nd7b7c69ac0a7
The art style is really good, hie do you draw like this
>>288172293>>288172307She felt responsible for mindbreaking her mom, and thought that keeping her own man and happiness after driving away her mom's would be too unfair and make their relationship irreparable. That said, she had been trying to fix her issues to feel more worthy of Yuu, and fucking it up probably had the opposite effect, so there is that angle.
>>288169417If she loved him why dump him.
>>288169334>>288169354>>288169372This must be only the second time Yami stops keeping up her facade before Yuu.
>>288173250>forgetting the meltdown
So the manga can end? Yuu and Hikari are dating and Yami left her room, everything is fine.
>>288169372Why is he blushing.
>>288173323It's cold
>Hey I think I love this guy>Hey I think I want to live with him and lock this relationship>Hey I think I’m going no contact just because tee hee>Hey he’s been sending me messages and calling everyday, that’s so cute tee hee. I’m blocking him>WAAAAAAAAHHHH WHY DIDNT HE GO AFTER ME?!!!??? WHYYYYYYYWhy is Yuu so mentally unstable?
>>288173362>typo’d I meant Yami.
>>288173362Yami is unstable because she has literal BPD, or something very similar due to trauma. Yuu is somewhat unstable because he was living with an inferiority complex for years, started to get over it, then got dumped seemingly out of nowhere.
>>288173392This is the recipe for an abusive toxic relationship and I hope that they dont end up together just for their sake.
>>288173362>average romcomslop consumer reading comprehension
>>288169264>>288168566menhera pussy just too fucking strong
>>288171356>I MISSED the old fluffy manga and NOT THIS SHIT.You wouldn't know about this manga if the twist never happened.
>>288171260>autistic/antisocial>100% loyal (this is the unrealistic part)>get's oneitis from you
>>288173493>itsdeeperthanthatbruv you just didnt read!
yami love
Feel bad for all the nightmarish psycho drama Yuu will have to go through before he understands that the situations around Yami are merely a manifestation of her own problems. Yami threatening to kill herself in the bathroom at a work night out. Yami cheating on him 6 months after they have a fight just to get his attention. Yami racking up $12,000 in credit card debt just before they apply for a mortgage.He can sort the situations but he can never fix the BPD. She's not even on lithium.
>>288168566lol I love this so fucking much
Here's how the next chapter goes>Yuu came to talk one last time to get a closure before dating Hikari for real>doesn't say it aloud but Yami notices anyway>gets even more depressed but still internally decides to let him go>as they are about to part, overwhelmed by emotion, she brings up the real reason for ghosting him>Yuu stops dead in his tracks, another cliffhanger
>>288168466all yuu need for christmas is yami
>>288173741I think there’s absolutely no way Hikari would start dating Yuu with the Yami situation unresolved.
>>288168466I don't know why, but I find the "realistic" physiques of the girls of this manga hotter than girls with bombshell hentai proportions. I shouldn't, but I do. A shame that the story is shit (women moments and all that), because these girls are top-tier as dickmilking material.
>>288173763I think these girls are pretty much bombshells, they just don't have big boobs.
>>288173761Hatsumode with Yami soon! followed by hime hajime
Yuu should fuck them bothEasy peasy lemon squeezy
>>288173782Why is she smug here
>>288173782Meant to reply here >>288173759>>288173813That's her default state
Yamifags are too cocky, I hope we get a that screws them over
>>288173761That's why Yuu might decide to resolve things on his own.
Yamigods never stop winning
It's not over! not yet Snake! Seriously though this seems way too smooth, them meeting while it's Christmas seems like the obvious romantic conclusion but that's exactly why it's just too good to be true
>>288173959Oddly, now both she and Hikari have gotten chapters where it looked like they were winning at the time.
>>288169334>>288169354>>288169372>>288169417Yuu loves her smell, doesn't he? Yami secures the victory if he starts sniffing her all over.
>>288173117dang kinda wish that phone scene could've been in the manga too, but it makes sense
>>288174148>Yuu gets a call from an unknown number after dusk and immediately realizes it's Yami and comes asapThat was cute, though I like the way the scene was shown in the manga too.
>>288174120The manga doesn't show it but Yuu was (and probably still is) madly in love with Yami. He remembers everything down to how her hair feels, how her body felt, and how she smelled. Hikari never really had a chance.
Would Yami be a good wife and mother?
>>288174468No
>>288174468Yes. She would be a probably overly attached and doting wife and be a very protective mother. She would have two sons and a daughter.
>>288174468Yes
>>288174444Unlucky anon, you jinxed it
>>288174547>>288174548You have never had a relationship with an actually mentally ill person in your lives.
>>288174444Of course he does dude, she’s the first girl he ever slept with. He had a torrid highly sexed romance with her. Why would you think he wouldn’t remember those things? Don’t you?
>>288174614Where do you think you are?
I am going to behead Maruto inshallah
>>288174677I was thinking crippling him for life would be better.
Bro fuck this piece of shit soap opera twist every other chapter I hate naruto so much
>>288174677inshallah means 'if the lord wills it'if you want to express it as a certainty you want mashallah meaning 'the lord decrees it'
>>288174745I didn't need to know this...
>>288174468it could go either way, but it wouldn't be for lack of trying
>>288174757knowing is half the battle
>>288174468>>288174547>>288174614Being a mother would fix a lot of this for Yami. It gives her a purpose in life.
Did you know that some personality disorders have a random chance to get cured when a woman gives birth? Something like an opposite postpartum depression where instead of a normal woman suddenly getting the urge to kill their babies after giving birth, a mentally ill woman becomes a normal girl
>>288174919pics or it didn't happen
>>288173761She's too honorable, and she knows now that Yami loves Yuu. Putting the relationship stuff aside, she knows that if she takes advantage of Yami's absence and dates Yuu then Yami will be even harder to bring back. Not to mention that she knows Yuu has baggage to unpack with Yami too.
>>288174468She would need a lot of psychological work before any of that. But after some therapy and medication to stabilize her BPD, I think she'd do well at both; she'd have a family that loves her and a husband that she knows loves her deeply and that she loves even more.
Why do yamifags think mental illness makes you more deserving of a happy ending?
>>288173741Imagine if he and Hikari had actually set a date for Christmas Eve, but he ditched it to answer Yami's call.
>>288175230They literally don’t understand borderline personality disorder and that the high never lasts as part of the condition.>>288175262Entirely possible, next chapter may show us just that. Hikari would even encourage him to do it.
>>288175230Yami deserves a happy ending because I like her.
>Yami is a deep and complex character and that’s why she should win>floods the thread with goonbait images
>>288175230Deserve's got nothing to do with it.
>"Hngh... *hic*...">>The brand-new smartphone currently in my hands was ringing out a dial tone—the very first time I’d ever used it to make a call.>>Once. Twice...>Oh, right.>If she didn't pick up after a few rings, maybe I should just hang up...>>『—Yami-senpai!?』>"—Yu...!">>...But she picked up so fast, she didn't even give me the chance to agonize over it.>>Thanks to that, I couldn't even manage to put on a fake voice.>I couldn't even force back the tears that had been welling up inside me for the past few moments.>>『Yami-senpai? It *is* Yami-senpai, right?』>"Y-Yu... H-Hey, you...">>"Hikari asked you to do this, didn't she?">『Huh...?』 "...">"She wanted you to persuade me to come to school—to talk some sense into me and make me listen!">"That... well...">"So that’s why you made her give me your number, wasn't it!?">>"That’s not it, Yami-senpai...">"What do you mean, 'that’s not it'!? After all, it was Hikari who did something completely unnecessary—telling me to 'call you'—">"I was the one who asked Hikari to do it.">"Huh...?">"I asked her to somehow—just somehow—let me talk to you again, Yami-senpai.">>"Yuu! Yuu! Yuu...!">"Where are you... right now?">>"You... You and I... where we first..!">"......Don't move from right there, okay? I'm coming to you right now.">"Waaaaaah! *Sob*... Waaaaaaah!">>The people passing by were staring at me with looks of utter pity.>Well, I guess that’s only to be expected, right?>After all... today is...I can see why the call was omitted (better dramatic reveal) but the emotional strings it pulls on are so good.(Full disclosure, edited out a lot of the coin flip stuff since it's all in the manga)
>>288175230Doesn't make her any less of a person, and any less deserving of being loved.
>>288175397Not a fan of the part where Yami immediately starts being overly paranoid about it all being set up by Hikari so I'm content with how they did it in the manga.
>>288175397Cutting it makes Yuu come off more passive though, which could be detrimental.
Looks like Ishiya Haruki (VA for Class de 2-banme MC and for Shuuichi from Hibike) is a fan.
>>288175480Agreed, though I sort of see how she got there. This is their first time talking since the meltdown, and before that it had been an entire year. I'd imagine Yami is assuming that her current best friend is just leveraging her ex to get in contact with her and bring her back. She didn't get the reaction or answers she wanted from Yuu at the festival, after all.>>288175493This is my main complaint; Yuu is clearly invested and more desperate in the WN, the manga just feels dryer in that sense.
>>288169417God I love Yami. The stage is set for the next chapter and yet I have no idea what's gonna happen. Yami could easily pull anything.
>>288175714Well clearly she and Yuu will go to a hotel for Christmas Eve. I imagine Hikari will be at home waiting for Yuu to visit her like he promised to.
>>288174468She'd be >you come home from work and your wife randomly took the kids and left for no reasonkind of spouse
>>288173763Yom's entire fucking career is about making kinda mousy looking normal girls into the hottest fucking things on two feet, tights-clad feet, that is
>>288175403>Doesn't make her any less of a person, and any less deserving of being loved.No of course it doesn't. However she has really fucked up her relationships with the people she loves because of her actions. Actions that while may have been caused by her brain worms, are still her actions and part of taking responsibility and accountability for it is to recognize that sometimes you just fuck up and burn those bridges permanently. What I take issue with is yamifags believing that Yuu and/or Hikari somehow have a responsibility to keep reaching out to her and save her despite her fucking up.
>>288175888>yamifags believing that Yuu and/or Hikari somehow have a responsibility to keep reaching out to her[citation needed]
Reminder that Yuu had countless times of unprotected sex with Yami and possibly came inside of her many times
>>288175527it's a problem with going 1:1 on chapters, you could do both by showing that scene afterwards but that's not how they're handling the adaption process.frankly, the manga is so truncated sometimes i feel like i'd rather just see him illustrate the wn
>>288175179>>288169662>>288171555>>288172366>>288175179What's the difference between real BPD and the meme one you're talking about?
>>288169334>>288169354>>288169372>>288169401>>288169417Hikaribros...
>>288168566Good. DIY case girls > bitchy childhood friends
>>288171959I think people are more angry about the story feeling cruel to Hikari than they are about missing out on a pure CF romance. She repeatedly tries to pull things together despite her heartbreak, but Yami keeps tearing it apart, Yuu remains a fence-sitting retard who already knows what he wants but refuses to acknowledge it because he wants to keep his options open, and the whole central conflict is that her friend and her crush both repeatedly hurt themselves and choose one another over her no matter her efforts to repair things. It's BSS, borderline NTR, and it feels especially fucked when the cuck is someone as kind, earnest, and emotionally mature as Hikari. It's clear as day that the story will end with Yuu and Yami getting together and Hikari losing both, and knowing Maruto, she's never going to get proper closure or fully find peace.Imo the main point of the story is that this is a shitty and convoluted situation for everyone involved, but it feels especially unfair when a nice, ordinary person is thrust into and hurt by the melodrama of the mentally ill. The rugpull at chapter 20 indicates you're supposed to feel that way, too. Hikari didn't sign up for any of this and just wants her friends to be happy, but she's going to have to sacrifice her own happiness to make that happen and some people don't like that.
>>288176146BPD is unironically incurable and awful.
Ever since the breakup I've been seething at just how much of a fucking retard Yuu is. He's unironically an evil bastard who is clearly angling for a harem disguised as "uhhhh he's just dense indecisive male MC guys". Choose one or fuck off, already. I honestly think this story would do way better if Yami and Hikari would just ditch that guy and repaired their relationship on their own.
>>288176413That’s pretty accurate to my feelings, good summary anon. I think part of the sting is that Hikari is genuinely written as more mature and sensible than her archetype usually is. In addition, a lot of Yuu and Yami’s actions are given huge narrative dramatic weight even when it’s pretty much teenage bullshit. Now that definitely fits with their internal feelings and the story, but it’s pretty ridiculous for the reader imo. I may have just aged out of this kind of story a bit.
>>288176510brother you must be a monk or gay if you wouldn't be undecided in Yuu's shoes
>>288176510He clearly loves Yuu and I think at most has a childhood crush on Hikari. The novel makes it clear he sprinted the whole way to meet her after she called in just 20 minutes. Both of them are pretending they have some regard for Hikari, and they probably do on a ‘normal’ level, but it is clearly nothing compared to their passion for each other. Hikari was genuinely never in the race.>>288176618He is literally no more undecided than Yami is. They are lying to themselves there was ever any other option.
>>288176510>likes Hikari>but also still cares about Yami and doesn't want her to suffer, especially after learning she still loves himIdk man, is it really that hard to understand?
>>288176702Kind of, yeah. When your actions will inevitably hurt one of the people you care about, it’s your moral responsibility to come and stick to a decision. What we have now is Yuu saying the right things to Hikari, thus stringing her along, but immediately dropping her to run to Yami, his real interest, whenever the need arises. Which reinforces Yami’s borderline-esque obsessive/self-destructive cycle and her feelings of loathing. The sensible and honest thing for Yuu to do would be to clearly turn Hikari down.
>>288176510holy woman moment post
WN Yuu is being done incredibly dirty by manga Yuu and I'm starting to wonder if Maruto is doing it intentionally. So many posts in here thinking Yuu is doing nothing at all but letting Hikari do everything to fix and find Yami.
>>288170944Right girl would not ghost her boyfriend and then widh her best friend to sacrifice her own happiness just to clean her mess.
>>288176731>What we have now is Yuu saying the right things to Hikari, thus stringing her along, but immediately dropping her to run to Yami, his real interest, whenever the need arises.Hikari literally gave Yami his phone number. He did just what they agreed to do. What's even your problem? It's not like he is having a secret affair.
>>288176618>>288176702 It's hard to understand when the manga has devoted a majority of its chapters establishing and developing the Yami-Yuu relationship while pretending that Hikari is still a main character. It becomes confusing when you have chapters that build up Hikari growing a spine and becoming more decisive immediately followed up by chapters that prove Yami and Yuu have more chemistry and clearly like each other. It's like Maruto wants the manga to be a repeating cycle of Yami finding reasons to and inflicting self-destructive behaviors.
The ultimate misery prolonging development would be Yami and Hikari agree to openly date Yuu in fair competition and Hikari gets more and more invested and has all her first with Yuu while ultimately only ever playing second fiddle and never even coming close to the love between Yuu and Yami before ultimately being dumped and left with nothing.
>>288171469It's sad that friendship is never seen as strongly or as importantly. They certainly pretend for a decent while in this case but it's still sad
>>288177609The pretending just does more damage.
>>288175230I've watched The Notebook when I was a kid and it did irreparable damage to my adolescent brain.
If this manga hews to realism with Yami as much as it has so far, the other thing is going to be that there is no “fixing her”. You can work very hard to minimise the effects of BPD but it can’t be cured, choosing to be with someone will not fix them long term. Eventually they will refixate on someone else or act out to secure attachment or have another episode.
>>288177534>>288177534>Yami and Hikari agree to openly date Yuu in fair competitionMaruto never does this. "Agreeing to compete fairly" sounds just terrible, though Hikari feels like she might try to initiate something like that.
>>288176756>Expecting a man to have the balls to know you can't have two girls who love you wait for you to take a final stance.>woman momentBitch-made """""man""""" post.Yuu is literally acting like a woman, he doesn't want anyone to suffer but this simply cannot end with Yami and Hikari happy the way he expects to, one will be hurt no matter what and he has to accept that, then whoever is left can start working towards their happiness, with or without Yuu assisting if whoever he hasn't chosen wants to be a friend still.
>>288177718Yes, it would fit with Hikari’s Pollyanna route to suffering.
>>288176773>I'm starting to wonder if Maruto is doing it intentionallyi think he's aware but can't really do anything about iti'm not sure what's the status for the manga right now, but i remember when it was just a "doujin" collab between him and yom, hence the less than 20 pages per chapter
>>288177728Yuu doesn't want Hikari, he wants Yami and it's made abundantly clear over and over that he's in love with her. The confession acceptance came immediately after a shock meeting with Yami and him having a crush on a long time female friend doesn't mean he's trying to have them both.Get it through your head, Hikari is alone in this story.
>>288176756>holy woman
>>288177768I mean he’s basically just running down WA2 again. Does it matter?
as long as he doesn't pull a nobody wins I'm happy
>>288176146Everyone calls mentally unstable girls in media BPD girls even if their behavior isn't really BPD-ish, but the actual condition of BPD is specific and Yami very much meets the hallmarks of it.
>>288177813Nothing is ever made clear enough, this whole drama would never even exist it things were that crystal clear, you are two levels down your own asshole by typing that whole post as if Yuu was actually being that forthcoming with how much he loves Yami and has made sure to tell Hikari that is so she can give up on him, this series would already be finished if that was the case.I don't care who Yuu ends up with, I don't think he deserves either Yami or Hikari actually, he is that much of a little bitch.
>>288177813Not that I disagree with your post but you're tempting fate
>>288177813>Yuu doesn't want HikariWhere in that post have I mentioned that? Are you daft? Yuu wants to there for Yami and not hurt Hikari simultaneously, he wants happiness for everyone but that simply is not possible when those two girls are in love with him, it falls on Yuu to be clear as much as your delusional post believes he is being and tells Hikari this is it, he loves Yami, please move on, but no, Yuu is holding onto the impossible hopes of just no hurting anyone, that doesn't make it good, it makes him pretty selfish actually.
>>288176428So are most mental illnesses, but that doesn't stop people from seeking help and finding medication and therapy. Its not an end-all condition, just something that needs to be taken care of.
Yami will betray Hikari again, it is known.
>>288178195>>288178308Maybe Hikari can take a fucking hint and move on herself instead of putting all the blame on the guy whose only been a victim of other people's actions.
>>288169417>an ending of betrayallol
>>288171530>Will literally kill herself is she doesn't get back with YuuImagine thinking this is a healthy way to develop a relationship.
>>288174468No, she's a terrible person. If she gets rewarded for this self-pity bullshit this story is dogshit quite honestly.In no real circumstance does this result in a healthy loving relationship. She's a selfish mentally ill cunt.
>>288175339>Yami is a deep and complex characterlollmao even
>>288168566YESYEEEEEES
>all this Yami seetheHe succeeds yet again, sasuga Maruto sensei
>>288178757>>288178781>>288178843>>288178932>you're this mad
>>288179052>succeeds at being a dogshit writerYami at no point has ever given a single considerate thought to anyone but herself.Even this chapter is all about her feelings and self-centered motivations. She never spares a thought for Yuu or Hikari's feelings. Only how their kindness makes her feel and how she can use her own desires to make herself feel better.She's genuinely a disgusting fucking person. If it doesn't get addressed and is instead treated as some plain save a hoe bullshit, it's bad writing.
>>288173323He’s getting some menhera pussy on Christmas. I would be blushing and smiling cheek-to-cheek too.
>>288169417>betrayalFinally. My bro Yuu is gonna smash again.
Yami is under NO OBLIGATION to care about Hikari's feelings when it comes to Yuu. Yes she fucked up and hurt him deeply by ghosting himYes she knows she's a bad personThat doesn't change the fact that Hikari is not a part of their relationship and Yami doesn't need to step aside for some silly childhood crush that she sat on forever while she took the risks to be with Yuu and build what they have, as much as she's also laid it to ruins.
>>288169451>not reallykek
>>288179151 a selfish character being selfish isn't bad writing. you not liking yami does not make her a bad character. I know she's not a "good" person, so what? would you stop loving someone just because they're evil? that's not how love works
>>288169492I could never bet against the designated loser girl in a series by an author famous for pulling what he did on WA2
>>288179242>That doesn't change the fact that Hikari is not a part of their relationshipSo you're just going to ignore them being friends and her knowing that Yuu is the one Hikari is in love with after she broke up with him.>I know she's not a "good" person, so what? would you stop loving someone just because they're evil? that's not how love workslol what the fuck are you on about.Yes, people do stop loving others when they are awful. Realistically if Yuu chooses her their relationship ends down the road after the initial excitement of his attentions falls off.If this story wants to just be some vapid save a manic pixie girl bullshit that doesn't make it a good story. No matter how bad you want your wish fulfillment.
>>288169730MangaDex LOST
>>288179344for >>288179280
Just kill yourself you fucking whore.
>>288169796It’s quite naive to assume Hikari is not nearby.
>>288170390Great, isn’t it? I can self-insert perfectly.
>>288177694She was a normal-functioning person not too long ago. Is stress-induced BPD that sticky even after removing the stressors? I didn't realize it was PTSD-adjacent. Make Yami great again!
>>288171415She is mentally ill and this relationship is doomed, she's too dependent on him just because her life suck, he's not gonna miraculously fix it.
>>288179344>Yes, people do stop loving others when they are awful.lol, "tell me you've never fallen in love without telling me you've never fallen in love" shit. emotions are not rational. why do you think abusive relationships are a problem? not even just romantic ones. even works for parents. sure you can fall out of love over grievances but that's not guaranteed. imo, your problem is that you're too "mature". you want good things to happen to good people. to you, hikari deserves to win because she has done the least wrong. which sounds admirable. the problem? that's boring as hell and I am here to be entertained
>>288179484The problem ultimately is none of this is happening as a result of Yami bettering herself.She's been wallowing in self-pity and still only thinking about herself.It's only due to Hikari's kindness and a little bit of Yuu's that anything positive is happening.That's why at this point it ending with her would be fucking awful because there has been no positive change to her character. Pretending this is some happily ever after because Yuu is a retarded simp would be a disappointment. He can choose her but it should end showing how disastrous it ends up being. >>288179512Tell me you have no real experience type of shit. People fall out of love for a lot less and at this point Yuu doesn't exactly have any reason to be deeply in love with her anymore. She ghosted him for fucking months and then tried to ruin his relationship with Hikari.Like I said, you just want wish fulfillment, either self-inserting as captain save a hoe or as the retarded mentally ill whore.
>>288179151This is manifestly not true, otherwise she wouldn't agonize over her decisions so much, and life would be less stressful for her.
Yami should win because that would be both funny and hot.
>>288179624Basado
>>288179566>reason to be deeply in loveThat guy was right. You clearly never loved anyone.
>>288179151>waaah characters must be morally good and pure reeeIts easy to write kind characters, its much harder to write characters that are difficult and aren't clearly good-natured and still have people root for them and watch them find happiness. This isn't for you, I think.
>>288179614No, it is completely true because she's stressing over how it affects her. She doesn't give a shit about how she's affected others.It's all about her, her feelings, her wallowing, her guilt. What about everything she made them feel? She doesn't give a fuck. That's the point of self-pity, "oh woe is me, imagine if the people I fucked over saw me! I can't leave the house!" Fuck off.
>>288179180Truly the peak of male happiness.
>>288179651>>288179668>no argumentsYep, as expected. Nothing more than shallow wish fulfillment desires from you lot. That's not good writing if he tries to bullshit about a happily ever after. If he says they get together and end up breaking up later then fine.
Hkari should "win" but also let Yami live with them and turn a blind eye to the very loud noises coming from her bedroom.
>>288179566when did I ever tell you I wanted this to happen to me? like I said, I'm here to be entertained so I root for yami. it's that simple. I can see the appeal of fluffy romcoms, I read those too. but that's not what I'm here for. this is maruto's story. it's like going to japan and complaining that everyone is japanese.anyway,>The problem ultimately is none of this is happening as a result of Yami bettering herself.>Pretending this is some happily ever after because Yuu is a retarded simp would be a disappointment. He can choose her but it should end showing how disastrous it ends up being. why does she have to better herself? why can't a sinner be rewarded and then find redemption? why does she have to earn it first? is happiness something you have to deserve? therein lies your problem
>>288179624This. No other reason to follow this series.
Hikaribros it's officially over Let's just pack our things and move on. We don't have to stick around for her heartbreak panels.
>>288179720It's hard to explain the concept of love to someone who only thinks of affection in terms of reason. "I like my parents because they provided me with food and housing", "I was friends with this guy because he owned a cool console and invited me to play", "I like this girl because she has big boobs" and so on.
>>288179745>why does she have to better herself? why can't a sinner be rewarded and then find redemption? why does she have to earn it first? is happiness something you have to deserve? therein lies your problemBecause it's not good writing to just ignore all the faults of a character and say none of it matters, happy ending. If she doesn't improve as a character, the ending should be a tragedy.Anyone that ignores this is clearly chasing some bullshit fantasy.
>>288179777No, retard, you just don't understand actual relationships.
>>288179624Absolutely based
>>288179802Says someone who needs a "reason" to like someone? Lmao.
>BDP whore gets the spotlight again>threads are lively once againLove it or hate it, (you) can't deny people love drama
>>288179720Logical arguments in a series about the complications of love have no arguments to be had. Love isn't logic, it just exists and presents itself however it will, the manga somehow actually nails that perfectly. If you're not understanding that, then you haven't felt these things and you just can't get it.
>>288179831Everyone has a reason they like someone. In your mind no one would ever get divorced.I think one of us is lacking experience here and it's not me. You have a very childish view on relationships. I've even had the whole love at first sight experience, guess what, relationships like that still take work.
>>288179780upon my honour, I say this with full honesty and no intent to insult you: are you a child? that seems like a very naive and simplistic way of viewing things. good doesn't have to be rewarded with good, and neither does evil have to be rewarded with misery. it makes sense in a karmic way, but karma is not a rule. "a good deed does not go unpunished" is a saying for a reason. anyway, let's try a different angle. are you seriously saying that all stories should be like this? that anything that deviates is a "bad" story? do you understand how autistic that sounds? do you also get mad at horror stories where everyone dies?
>>288179863>>288179884see>>288179874You guys are the ones who clearly have never had a real relationship. The irony of you fags going on about love and calling anyone else naive.
>>288179874>Everyone has a reason they like someone. Yeah, as I said, you like your parents because they provided you with food and housing, I get it. What I'm telling you is that actual love doesn't work like that.
>>288179780This series isn't for you dude, Kaguya-sama is around the corner and to the left.
>>288179905>What I'm telling you is that actual love doesn't work like that.Damn, you're so right, love is just a binary for sure. Holy fuck you guys need to get some actual experience, no wonder you think ending up with Yami would be great.>>288179925Yeah, I know you fags are just chasing manic pixie girl wishes.
>>288179672She feels guilty FOR HURTING THEM. You're doing the same reductive shit as "altruism doesn't exist".
>>288179969>She feels guilty FOR HURTING THEMNo, she doesn't care about hurting them, clearly. She feels guilty that hurting them might mean she faces negative reaction. Learn to recognize these traits, they will save you a lot of time and hurt.
>>288179941>no argumentI accept your concession
>>288179874>I've even had the whole love at first sight experienceAnd the reason for that "love at first sight" was that the girl looked good, wasn't it?
>>288179899
>>288179993>>288180050But enough about yourself.>>288180016No, she wasn't the most beautiful girl I knew in an objective sense, but as soon as I saw she was the only one I cared about. See, you sit there fantasizing about what it's like which is why you say stupid shit with no actual understanding.
I feel like we're still pretty far from endgame. Yuu has done something but for things to feel conclusive, I think he still needs to take a big step, a real watershed moment to say there's no more turning back
>>288179991I don't know how you can get that out of reading her portrayal, and it makes you look unhinged.
>>288180059>No, she wasn't the most beautiful girl I knew in an objective sense, but as soon as I saw she was the only one I cared about.So what was the "reason" for that?
>>288179802you are clearly a person who thinks relationships are transactions built on a point system.
>>288180075>I don't know how you can get that out of reading her portrayalYou can't be serious.>>288180086>>288180089Again, the irony of you no experience having faggots trying to talk. Anyway, we'll see what next chapter brings, hopefully he doesn't just do shitty wish fulfillment for retards like you and actually writes something with a little depth.
>>288180059>But enough about yourself.I'm not arguing with at least 3 different people and trying to prove that only my opinion is correct. and you keep repeating "it's a wish fulfillment fantasy" even when I literally told you I don't want this irl. or are you just gonna ignore anything that doesn't align with your agenda?>>288180075this^. you're reading yami too negatively. is she reminding you of someone lmao.
>>288180118>ad nauseumDidn't expect much from you but you still managed to disappoint.
>>288180073you really think so?I was thinking the story would end in like 10 chapters, how long do you think it'll last?
>>288180118>something with a little depthYes, yes, like PURE EVIL being PUNISHED like it DESERVES. That's what I call depth!
>>288180118Either you're very stupid or a good baiter. I choose to believe the latter since I don't want to think there is someone so deluded on a character's feelings on a manga where they are literally spelled out.
>>288180050LMAO
>>288179344In WA obsessive love was twue wuv with no negative consequences for the 2 in love and suffering for all the rejected. Usually unusually extreme consequences too, like not just losing in love but going crazy and/or ruining their career.
>>288180303Its very obviously a troll at this point, no one is this retarded.
I also think this will end in 10 or so chapters, but it would be really funny if it goes on and we get an edgy/broken Hikari arc.
>>288179566She tried to better herself once; it was awful. But it was motivated by her relationship with Yuu, so there's a good case that supporting her does help prime her pump. There's no reason to make people bootstrap this shit or rot.>>288180427There were usually negative consequences for the winning pair too. Or at least half the time.
>>288177866while i do like WA2, not sure why did you mention it when i'm just saying that not including yuu's part in the WN might be due to yom
>>288180145>erm you are arguing against multiple retards clearly that means you're wrongAgain, this is how fucking pathetic you fags are.>>288180303Says retards that think women stay with abusive men because they love them so much. You fags really expose how little actual social experience you have. If you ever actually knew a woman in an abusive relationship you would understand it's absolute fear that keeps them there.The abuser instills such a sense of fear in them they start to treat him like an actual boogeyman that will appear from the shadows. Seriously, they will a twig break and think it is him coming to abuse them. They are in constant fear that he will somehow know what they are doing at all times. That's why they stay, you guys are obviously naïve fucks.>>288180427Yeah I don't expect much.>>288180548That's why I'll wait to see if she acknowledges and tries to improve. If it just ends and pretends it magically works out then it's shit writing.
>>288180218>>288180511>even 10 chapters is like a year with Comiket breaksFffffuuuuu
Yamifags are annoying but I also think Hikari deserves better, so you know what I think? Hikari finds a better guy and Yami ends up as a toy for some ojisan.
>>288180616I would be kinda disappointed if it really was just 10 chapters. What's Maruto doing with his time anyway? He's clearly not spending all of his writing time on these short chapters.
>>288179624TRVKE
>>288169417Hikaribros.I still believe.
>>288180427nigga did you forget that (WA2 KTE) Haruki literally threw away everything he had in Japan, his job, his future, all his friends and everyone he knows for Kazusa. The story treats this as a very big fucking deal, to the point where the last scene before the prologue is him crying on the plane to Austria. Maruto is a lot of things as a writer but subtle isn't one of them
>>288180710*epilogue
>>288180652Childhood friends is the apex of romantic partner. Nothing can go beyond that, except maybe being a single, rich entrepreneur of a CEO or something.
>>288179624100%
>>288180799I raise you: the forbidden love of a young maid and the son (same age) of her master. That's the purest form of love. Extremely rare too, drives me insane.
What is this shit? Sluts deserve no redemption
>>288180799>a single, rich entrepreneur of a CEO or somethingwhat? are you a woman? who the hell wants a CEO wife? or are you one of those mommyfags?
>>288180904Red Garden WHEN
>>288180710Yes but they both repeatedly declare it was worth it for love.
>>288181079Pls understand, Sacchin route didn't exist before so they need a few more years to finish it.
kazusabros i'm feeling comfy, this one's in the bag easy
>>288181267>enter punished hikari, a CF denied her oneitis
>>288179242>Yami doesn't need to step aside for some silly childhood crush that she sat on foreverThat is Yuu , not Hikari. As soon as Hikari realized her feeling for Yuu, she made actual attempt and even plan to confess until Yami screwed it up. Yuu on the otherhand never did a thing , he just wallowed in self pity for not being able to attend same school as Hikari and cling into a random girl he just met on the street. You call it resolve ? >>288179280>know she's not a "good" person, so what?Because Yami makes everybody else miserable around herself. She never tries to take responsibility, she never tries to improve herself. She constantly tear apart everybody's else life that gets closes to her and wallow in self pity hoping others to make sacrifice for herself. Nobody wants to see somebody like Hikari suffers for a self centered girl like Yami who will screw everything up anyway because she never faced any consequence or took responsibility.
Is playing through WA/WA2 worth it?
>>288181847WA2 - yes, very much so. You don't need to read WA for that, they are (almost) unrelated.
>>288181847wa2 is maybe the best vn ever madewa1 is... a thing
>>288181766Yeah, it is true Yami has little/no self-actualised healing in this series and is reliant on Hikari and particularly Yuu to make her feel better and promote positive behaviours. She actually lashed out very viciously against Hikari initially with the compensated dating thing, although it was played for laughs in the manga.That's the internal change she needs to make, recognising that having a borderline moment and secluding/lashing out to gain the support of other people is not sustainable. And learning to take positive steps herself when she's feeling like that. But the counterpoint, the 'wrong path' or whatever, is monopolising Yuu and not changing and choosing that he will just always be there to spin her out of it forever.I *really* like Yami's relationship with her mom in this series. Believing you know, "the child of a slut is a slut" is an archaic, medieval attitude. But mental health often is inherited, and what Yami really responds to and is tormented by is knowing she has the same destructive behavioural impulses she saw in her mother. It's a nice way to play on ignorant social attitudes with a seed of truth.I do think Hikari is internally the strongest of all three characters and would be the one "most okay" with losing, at least from what we've seen so far. But I still hate to see her suffer unnecessarily.
It's so hard to know where this is going to go from here. Like we could have a hook-up to say goodbye that turns into full-on cheating when Yami and Yuu are unable to stay apart even though he is outwardly dating Hikari. We could have a Yami shutdown. We could have a Hikari shutdown. We could have a meeting between all 3 of them.
>>288182122If Yuu cheats on Hikari, he will be borderline irredeemable. Even Kazuya from Rent-A-girlfriend will be more like an actual man compared to him.
>>288182170Yuu is not in a relationship with Hikari, there is no cheating. The confession was did happen, but it was instantly blown up by Yami re-appearing and making Yuu want to back to her since they both clearly aren't over each other even after the year of separation including all the hurt both of them have.
>>288182170you are borderline irredeemable with opinions like that
>>288182170>hikaricuck seetheyou love to see it!
>>2881821701) I think it's unlikely Hikari and Yuu are together right now, so it wouldn't be cheating right now.2) I think cheating is like maybe the single most realistic thing you can have happen in a teen romantic dramaEven if Hikari and Yuu got together, it's going to be completely impossible for him to have sex with Hikari, his 2nd girl ever, and not also think of Yami, his 1st. And his initial experiences with Hikari are not going to be as satisfying as the high sexual compatibility he had for at least months with Yami. If there's an opportunity, it's completely realistic he would consider cheating.
>>288176254I'm honestly relieved, Hikari is way out of their leauge and deserves a pure boy devoted only to her.
>>288182280I agree with you that Hikari deserves better (Yami too for that matter, fuck Yuu and his wishy washy BS) but I don't think this is it, we're in for some more drama unless the story ends in 3 chapters (unlikely)
I refuse to believe that Hikari is even trying to pursue Yuu now that Yami is back in the picture and got an idea of who she is from Yuu and seeing how much she's hurting herself and hiding away.There's no way that girl would be so heartless and selfish the way she is written.
>>288182346Hikari HATES Yami, actually
>Yuu is wishy washyliterally when
>Hikari is so close to Yuu they see each other basically 24/7 spending time at each other's houses all the time and seeing each other from each other's bedroom windows>somehow she didn't notice him taking weekends away with Yami for 6 months????
>>288182548Lying about the kiss to Hikari when he confesses to her at the festival. Not contacting Yami or Hikari after the fallout. Refusing to differentiate between his love for Yami and his love for Hikari when Hikari asks about it. Even if he's mainly been passive, he's not been a particularly good guy.
>>288182561She didn't care much about him when he started Yami.
>>288182591That isn't true, they've been close since they were children. It's in the first few chapters. It's a plot hole.
>>288182627They were close in elementary school but then they grew a bit more distant and stopped hanging out at each other's houses and just didn't spend that much time together. It was in Yuu POV chapters.https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/280973517/#280973565>So after the interview, we went to a family restaurant as usual, but the mothers quickly left their kids behind and got engrossed in chatting.>So Hikari and I sat at a table a little ways away from the mothers, spending some time alone together, something we hadn't done since we became middle school students.
I don't give a shit about Yami and Yuu getting back together, Yami is a self-destructive menhera so that relationship will implode again, just give Hikari her happy ending, give her an innocent shota boyfriend or whatever.
>>288182816Honestly I think the manga does a good job at showing the relationship between Hikari and Yuu as fundamentally childish and platonic vs. the adult, sexual relationship of Yuu and Yami. I don't really like the decoy protagonist move though.
>>288182561She didn't start staring at him all the time until Yuu had ghosted him and he started acting differently.
>>288182211" Lets throw away the girl that been looking after me & support me since childhood and even was my side during my heartbreak for a random girl I met on the street and had a fling to forget my self loathing over a school until she ghosted me for a freaking year and actually broke my heart". The fact that Yuu still can't choose makes him one of the worst love interest in a female manga. Yami actually done nothing for him, she just pounce on him for her own self loathing when he was vulnerable & then broke his heart. What was the worst Yuu could have done if he never met Yami? Commit Suicide over a school? He would have been depressed for few day at best but since he could still see Hikari everyday without even attending her school so he could still back himself up. if Yuu just man up and had an actual resolve then Hikari would have eventually fall for him (which she did). Meeting Yami just tear everything apart and lead to both him and Hikari being hurt.
>>288182861>I don't really like the decoy protagonist move thoughI keep thinking it was unnecessary to do, but so much of the story is impacted by the Hikari POV that I don't think it would be nearly as interesting and impactful without getting blind sided like Hikari was. Even when you know it's coming, it helps a lot to have the framing of Hikari being the heroine and then all it changing instantly.
>>288182896>makes him one of the worst love interest in a female mangahave you seen the love interests that women choose in their own manga?
Is what Yami has even BPD? For some reason I thought BPD was inherent, but I thought she only started flipping out after bad things happened in her life. Then again, her mother doesn’t seem mentally healthy either, but we don’t know much about how she used to be either.
>>288182896so yuu has to date hikari because he owes her? is it his responsibility to keep her happy? does he have to keep loving her out of obligation? do you even understand why this is bad?
>>288182816>everyone forgetting that this isn't the same yami that dated YuuIn the time that Yami spent apart from Yuu:She went back to schoolShe found a kindred spirit and platonic soulmate in HikariLargely survived and grew without needing YuuConversely, Yuu isn't naive to her and how she is now. He knows she's fragile, and that she puts up a mask to push people away. He knows that she can't help it either. This isn't the start of the same relationship, it's something else entirely.
>>288182896>hikaricuck is a seething ESLmany such cases
>>288182936Not a psychologist, but I am a psych major, and I can at least suspect it is.
>>288182920It's impossible for it not to feel a little cheap looking back, even if it was effective. If we aren't going to end soon and we're going to continue with a Hikari she needs some hidden depths or darkness we haven't seen so far. Closest we've gotten to that is her pushing away Yuu with the "why should I compromise" thought. Hikari is also unquestionably the most competent of the 3 protagonists, so it could be really fun to see her go off the deep end.
>>288183018That seems reasonable. For some reason the way I see other people talk about BPD makes it seem like something you’ve always had / is lifelong, but I guess that’s not really true when I looked into it a bit. Maybe I’m the only one who had that misconception.
>hikari has to work up the courage to hold hands while yami says "cum in me until I break"come on guyshe's 16
>>288183105Yeah it's not a simple disorder. It has a strong genetic component (iirc like 30%-60% chance) but it can also be caused by abandonment trauma, various kinds of abuse, etc. Also to correct people in this thread, BPD isn't necessarily permanent. It can be treated with therapy and medication and with time and some age the symptoms can slowly cease until they're gone entirely.
>>288183105>>288183187You know, I just realized that BPD and Bipolar are different things. That might’ve been part of what confused me. But interesting to know that both can have roots in genetics. Bipolar is (from my brief looking-into) apparently lifelong.
>>288182949I don’t really put stock in their dynamic having changed when she stayed behind on the guess Hikari’s crush was Yuu, chewed him out irrationally for not pursuing her and kissed him knowing Hikari was watching. That’s the exact same drama shit they were doing before.
>>288182939>so yuu has to date hikari because he owes her?Hikari is the only one that ever done anything to make him happy and actually cared about him. The only thing Yami ever did was manipulate Yuu when he was fragile and throw him away. Yami is self destructive and her relationship is Yuu is toxic, If he choose her again than it will lead to another disastrous relationship since Yami still refuse to improve herself and would fully believe Yuu to cling on to her no matter what she does to him. The best thing Yuu could do for her is to break her heart and make her realize there is a consequences for everything.
>sorry Hikari, I can't accept your confession because I'm still figuring out if I can make the relationship work with this hot girl who I fucked and creampied multiple times instead of your idealized shoujo protag version of datingIf you can't tell why it's a huge problem that Yuu won't just say this to Hikari you're a retard. Choosing to entertain his CF's feelings despite clearly loving someone else is actually fucked up.
>>288183282what level of autism is this? love is not something to be solved. there's no point in choosing the "optimal" solution. why are you even reading romance manga if you're not interested in romance? go read something else. what do autists read? detective conan is probably repetitive and formulaic enough for you, go read that instead
>>288183342At the time he accepted he had been ghosted for about a year and was starting to move on. you don't shut down your love life after 1 breakup
>>288168566I love this so much.
>>288183342The very idea that Yuu can only compromise with Hikari because he wants to run back to the self destructive EX that ghosted him makes him one of the worst love interest.
>>288182939>so yuu has to date hikari because he owes herNTA but Yuu definitely owes Hikari some sincere gratitude even he chooses Yami in the end, she is literally playing a messiah to salvage Yami's mental health because Hikari still wants to be friends with her, while Yuu couldn't do that by himself because he is a little bitch, a lesser love rival would have taken the chance to thrown Yami under the bus.>b-b-but in the WN we can see Yuu is trying to fix things too! It's the manga's fault for downplaying his part in this!Nope, still not enough, Hikari was doing the heavy lifting, Yuu picked up the pace.
>>288183250Yeah, bipolar is a monster that requires a lot of effort to mitigate. Though BPD is no slouch either.
>>288183429Can you stop pushing your fanfic idea of love from some garbage novel written by people who themselves has no idea of love. Love is a connection that enable a person to care about somebody and do everything to make them happy even if that mean hurting themselves in process. It doesn't need to romantic since a parent feeling for their children are also Love. Whatever heck going between Yami and Yuu is not love, it is lust. Just physical attraction masked as love between two self centered toxic people. .
I'm 100% serious here, only yuri can save this story.
>>288183509gratitude yes, obviously. platonic love and a lot of respect too. but romantic love? that's not something you do out of obligation or pity. you do it because you want to. not because it's right, optimal or rational. the only good answer to love is following your heart. doesn't matter where it leads. if love would end the world then so be it. I can't think of a better ending than that
>>288183572>Yami and Hikari go yuri and ditch Yuu>Then both get turned straight again by a playboy who dicks them both down
>>288183576>but romantic love? that's not something you do out of obligation or pity. you do it because you want to. not because it's right,Honey , that not romantic love.That is just something people with zero idea of love who only ever read garbage romantic novel to learn about love believe romantic love to be. This is why most of those people turns into obsessive stalker and mental unable simp.
>she did enough Nice Deeds>Yuu is OBLIGATED to date her nowfucking lmao, Nice Guy dating strategy already fails, even more so when you apply it to fiction
>>288183564are you being obtuse? I literally said "romance". I'm talking about romantic love, not platonic.>Whatever heck going between Yami and Yuu is not love, it is lust.and the one yuu has with hikari is true love? crushes are called puppy love for a reason.>>288183640>Honey , that not romantic love.like I said, too "mature". too rational. there's no heart in it. remember, without love it cannot be seen
Imasara filtering people emotionally is my favorite part of these threads.
Why are Yamifags automactially assuming this chapter is a good thing? Isn't the whole meeting on Christmas way too on the nose? The setup feels ripe for a rug pull but all I see are people celebrating?
I have no idea how you troglodytes keep mistaking the notion of "it's messed up that Yuu doesn't just tell Hikari that he realizes he still has feelings for Yami now that she's back" to "SO YOU'RE SAYING YUU IS CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED TO DATE HIKARI HUH"
>>288183765cope
>>288183715It's kinda nuts that there's manga that actually demands its reader have SOME level of maturity to even begin to understand what it's trying to convey.
>>288183765Hikaricoin is in the mariana trench right now anon
>>288183789>>288183803Not even a Hikarifag, a Yami ending seems more likely at this stage but still, I just think the celebrations are far too early.
>>288183765For the moment it's a bittersweet feelgood money of Yuu and Yami re-uniting. But the fallout from her 15 months of ghosting is gonna be hell as well as now cleaning up the mess left behind with Hikari being the unchosen one by both of them.When Maruto said drama was coming, he wasn't lying.
>>288183799It baiting the SoL/romcom crowd is the funniest thing ever, but yeah it's definitely not something for the very casual reader.
>>288183849>Hikari being the unchosen one by both of them.I feel bad for Hikari, like okay, Yami and Yuu can be together but Yami was a shitty friend to Hikari.
>>288183765Because it's catharsis after all of the heartbreak. I don't think anyone sees a happy path forward from here, just a beautiful moment of joy that's as ephemeral as Christmas itself. There's pain coming, we just don't understand what shape it will take.
>>288182936>>288183105I have never had BDP since i'm a man and have more importatn shit to worry about than what people i don't know think about me, but i can tell you as a son to a mom with BPD that it's horrifying dealing with.My mom would just shift from being almost an entirely different person than she was the day prior, usually because something happened the day before that she can't forget about.I can't really explain it well, but my uncle is also an honest to god schizo and his manic episodes are hard to miss, like when my uncle has a "moment" everyone knows why/how it happened.But it won't last for every long, and we can useually talk to him about the episode after it's over.My mom's case is much more subtle, it's not really something you can catch in the moment, it's more like a mood thing, but her troubles will stay for days and nobody can really talk to her about it because it's all problems she has internalized and blown up to an unfathomable degree in her head.As far as i can tell, being a schizo is something like having a bad cough you can't really control.My uncle described it to me as>the thoughts in you head start talking to you like you're a different person and you just kinda have to beat them down as best as you can until they go away.But BPD is more like a very severe case of stress that can blow up do to the cumulated thoughts you have in you head.So the people that have BPD still think they are having these thoughts on their own, since there aren't a whole lot of voices in you head telling you to do weird stuff, which just makes the weird thoughts worse because you keep thinking you're a bad person for having those thoughts, which just leads down an endless spiral of self-deprecation.
>>288183877Both Yami and Yuu were shitty to her but only where it involved the other one, which is a pretty good indication their strongest feelings are for each other.
>>288183774he didn't say it explicitly but he sure as hell implied it. hikari weaseled her way with the past tense question for a reason.>>288183911exactly. enjoy the moment folks. I'll be seeing you all in hell
If Yuu and Yami don't handle this correctly, is there a chance Hikari might try to take her own life or even succeed?
Fundamentally the story's message is if you want something go get it. Hikari had all of their childhood years to get Yuu and she didn't. She had all the chances at school and she didn't take a single one of them. Yami took the dick and forever lives rent free in Yuu's head because of it. Now Hikari wants her perfect young romance but that ship has sailed, it's not Yuu and Yami's fault she was holding some unrealistic fantasy scenario. The world doesn't owe her a fairytale romance.
>>288183960nah no way in hell of that happening. hikari is a good girl. and that's why she'll lose
>>288183693>I literally said "romance"Ya, you mean the fanfic love exists in dumb people's head and make them do dumb thing because that is what movies and novel taught them.>and the one yuu has with hikari is true love?The fact that Hikari is wiling to sacrifice herself for Yuu's sake makes it a true love unlike Yami. who wants Yuu is cling to her. >like I said, too "mature". too rational. there's no heart in it. remember, without love it cannot be seenWhat you are describing are not love, its just attraction and nothing more than that.
>>288183960Literally zero. She's not only not that kind of person, but she wouldn't want to hurt her precious people even if they hurt her. She's too kind and selfless.
>>288183960Her friend was a little shitty to her and she lost out on a crush. Dial it back a bit, bro. Yami is the one with real reasons to do that.
Daily reminder that Hikari's best friend Yami established their friendship by pranking her into almost getting raped by an ojisan. This is the kind of woman she holds precious and Yuu is head over heels for.
>>288183975>The fact that Hikari is wiling to sacrifice herself for Yuu's sakeyou mean loving someone who clearly doesn't love you as much the same way, aka a dumb thing is true love but yuu doing the same for yami isn't?>What you are describing are not love, its just attraction and nothing more than that.maybe it's a translation issue, but you sure as hell don't sound like you understand what the words "love" and "attraction" are lmao. let me give you a hint: love is stronger than attraction and thus results in bigger actions and consequences. you won't die for some random cute girl that you barely know. you would die for someone you love
>still engaging the ESL child
I know the drama is coming but what? If Yuu is choosing Yami and Hikari is okay with that, where's the drama gonna be? Yami freaking out because of how she treated Yami? Yuu actually revealling he's choosing Hikari that causes Yami to break down?
>>288182420>Hikari HATES Yami, actuallyNot true at least.
>>288184104 (Me)*Yami freaking out because of how she treated Hikari?
>>288184104Just feels unnecessarily cruel for the "main character" to actually turn out to be a side character whose only role in the story is to get dunked on by two important people in her life
>>288184138meant for>>288183943
>>288168626He's not actually hugging her back.
>>288184138that cruelty is the point of the story. it's the point of the title. my ideal ending is hikari truly falling in love with yuu and it'd be too late cuz yami would already be fixed and they'd both be in a happy relationship.
>>288173505Yeah, pretty much.
>>288184104We don't even know where Hikari stands right now. It's been months and our only hint is that she let Yuu have a chance to reach Yami. We don't know if it was her and Yuu mutually choosing Yami as their priority or if she put herself aside for the happiness of her two most important people. Whatever the case, nothing here is settled and everything is primed for disaster.
>>288184159You raise an interesting point, but I think he does hug her back here >>288169417, though it's kinda hard to tell.
>>288184204I think I'll drop this manga before that happens because I don't enjoy suffering stories
>>288184239He clearly does. >>288169372>>288169401
>BUT SHE'S THE CHILDHOODFRIEND!Don't care.>BUT SHE'S A HOMEWRECKER!Don't care.>BUT SHE'S A HONEST PERSON!Don't care.>BUT SHE'S HOMELY AND NICE!Don't care.>BUT SHE WANTS THE BEST FOR YOU!Don't care.>YOU'RE A BAD PERSON IF YOU DON'T LET HER SUCK YOU COCKDon't care.Luv mentally ill women.Simple as.
>>288184066>you mean loving someone who clearly doesn't love you as much the same wayThat makes it true. >but yuu doing the same for yami isn't?Yuu choosing toxic self destructive person that already broke his heart and will broke his heart in future over a freaking fling. The real maturity is to learn who actually deserve their love. Its like watching a stupid woman running back to her abusive boyfriend with " I can fix him" mentality that because that is what her "love" told her to do. >you understand what the words "love" and "attraction" are lmaoI can understand the difference between love & attraction compared to somebody like you who is still stuck inside their fantasy idea of romantic love that they seen in movies or novels. There is a real reason all the people does not marry the person they love and people who does marry their love end up in divorce. Because the romantic love you kept talking about does not exist, they never did. It is something garbage novel writers made up to sell their novel. Love is a connection, not attraction.
>>288183925I appreciate the insight anon
Someone please tell me why Yuu can't seem to get over Yami?
>>288184290unironically >>288173505 is true both in manga and irl
>>288184269>Love is a connection, not attractionShut the fuck up already, see: >>288171326
>>288184290>Someone please tell me why Yuu can't seem to get over Yami?First love, never got closure, knows she still loves him tooIts not that complicated, for once.
>Yuu and Yami go to a hotel and Yuu gets Yami pregnantThis would objectively be the funniest thing to happen
>>288184204So you're saying the reader is supposed to enjoy both Yami and Yuu's story of getting back together and fixing their relationship, which is clearly where this is headed... but at the same time enjoy the "sufferkino" of Hikari in the background?
>>288169264I just only noticed that Yuu is still "lovey dovey nervous" with Hikari but he's completely open about his feelings and being happy to see Yami. Kind of fucked up for Hikari desu.
>>288183638and that playboy is Yuu after dicking down Seki, Haru, Yuki, and that middle-school classmate girl
>>288184359It would be a death flag for YamifagsMaruto would leverage that into an extremely painful Hikari end. That, or it goes Hikari's way for a while before Yami gets morning sickness in front of them and it all begins to collapse.
>>288184378>Hikari wins>Yami gets depressed and disappears or dies>Hikari is happy with Yuu>Yami wins>Yami and Yuu become happy together>Hikari is sad at first but later becomes happy that her friends are togetherHikari wins either way
>>288184378exactly. you get the best of both worlds. usually the losing heroine is either obvious and her being there is a waste of time, or the author gives us a story where the main heroine has zero chemistry with the male lead and seeing the best girl lose is brutal. but imasara does it well. it's like a darker version of botan's manga
>Manga is regular oneshot romance that isn't too popular when it's just Hikari>Manga explodes in popularity and discussion and other manga artists are even talking about how much they like it with the Yami dramaOsananajimifags can't admit that the Yami plot has made this manga way more interesting and popular
I think Yuu and Yami should end up together. However I also think what he's doing/did to Hikari is pretty bad. Maybe I'm self inserting too much because I basically also chose a BPDemon over a more honest nicer girl who showed interest
>>288184467>other manga artists are even talking about how much they like it with the Yami dramaWho?
>>288184467It made it something memorable instead of every other fated couple manga, like Bisque doll and Anjou-san are right over there. You shouldn't be reading this with any of those kinds of expectations.
>>288184340>First love,That is Hikari >never got closure,Does not mean he has to run back to her. >knows she still loves him tooMeans nothing after she ghosted him for a year .
Yami seems like the type of person who'd be happiest as a housewife and her kids and husband coming back every day loving her
>>288184393Umm does not that mean the opposite. Boy are too self conscious , they will be more nervous close to their actual love and would be too open to those whom they has no feeling.
Someone please show any edit of Yami with long hair or a sidetail
Yami will probably cheat on Yuu in the future with their son.
>>288184467>>288184457I agree but at that point literally why have Hikari at all? Her role at this point is basically just some lingering dead weight that the main couple *thinks* they should navigate around before they end up together, but is she really? If next chapter they make out in front of Hikari and say they're eloping together, what did they really lose? Yami doesn't value Hikari's friendship, Yuu doesn't really give a shit about her either. They clearly have no remorse or guilt, or any reason to feel those for Hikari so if she's only there to be suffering porn for the reader then wouldn't it be pretty hacky writing to pummel a character with zero development or expected growth or change?
>>288184467Why lie this boldly? The 2nd manga Volume took a noticable dive in sales compared to the 1st one, the discussions around the twist increasing but the manga sales dipping a little show an increase in arguments, not in popularity.Now I want to see the figures for the newly released 3rd manga Volume, because if it didn't spike in sales it would mean the Yami and Yuu reveal didn't work as well as Maruto would have liked.
>>288183964>Fundamentally the story's message is if you want something go get it. Hikari had all of their childhood years to get YuuBut this is opposite of what happened. Hikari after realizing her feeling , did everything to get Yuu while Yami end up screwing herself and needed Hikari to heal her.
>>288184619Yami with long hairI'll see what I can do about the pony/sidetail
>>288184642The drama is only as spicy as it is because Hikari exists. Without her, it’d be a pure depression type of manga
>>288184638>Yami and Yuu's son is damaged on the inside just like Yami>Yami fixes him through incest, unintentionally cucking Hikari's daughter who started liking him.
>>288184467Yamifags truly are shameless liars.
>>288184564Wouldn't surprise me. She has no stability in her life, having a standard family that meets her emotional needs would be life changing for her.
>>288184638>Yami will become a boymomHoly fuck this makes so much more sense
>>288184712But I'm saying it's only an illusion of drama. Yuu has no feelings for Hikari, and Yami has no qualms about getting with the boy she likes. Drama is only meaningful if it was an actual love triangle or if Yami actually doesn't want to damage her friendship with Hikari.
>>288183925>I have never had BDP since i'm a man and have more importatn shit to worry about than what people i don't know think about meThis is such a fundamental misunderstanding of BPD and mental illness in general that it's kind of baffling desu.Also, while the rest of the post is fine, schizophrenia is nothing like a bad cough. It's extremely volatile and destructive and it's likely your uncle isn't expressing half of what he's actually going through.t. schizo
>>288184564I would have sooner trust a crackhead junkie with the role of housewife and mother before an untreated Yami.
>>288184707>Long hair Yami is just KazusaMARUTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>288184733>Hikari's daughter watches Yami riding her son through the window because the incest got Yami so horny she did it right in the living room.
>>288184378The female lead does everything right only to suffer while a toxic girl keep making wrong decision only to win because the Male Lead is even more spinless than Kazuya. Nobody will be happy with this end and at best would kill Maruto career since now that everybody knows he will always make the toxic girl win no matter wholesome the started to be.
>>288184793>>288184793>>288184793
>>288184797You act as if toxic landmine girls aren't the number 1 most desired female characters in anime and manga anon. Sales have only skyrocketed after the story pivoted from "wholesome romcom #5092371" to an actual story
I was having some fun so here's Yami with long hair #2
>>288184844>You act as if toxic landmine girls aren't the number 1 most desired female characters in anime and manga anonBecause they aren't Its more fun to watch them suffer for making every wrong decision rather than playing victim card to get their way.
>>288185033Sales figures and surveys beg to differ
>>288184696NTA but didn't this get picked up for publishing well after the Yami twist happened on the X/Note version? >Would kill Maruto career You'd think that SIVIS flopping or the reception of the new love live movie might just be a tad bit more important for his career than what he does in Imasara.
>>288184844Watari-kun xxx springs to mind
I thought reading the WN wasn't necessary, but lately the manga has been dropping some pretty important characterization and now I feel forced to read it all. Just reading the chapter made it seem like Yuu took a casual stroll over to Yuu and that he wasn't as desperate to meet her as she was to re-unite with him.
>>288185187It's a decent comparison. Though I think Satsuki is too nice to qualify as toxic landmine, but she came close at times.
Yami with mother sidetail
>>288185335Looks much better than >>288184962
>>288185082Because they are paying for the MC to win , not to lose to the villain.
>>288185187Pretty sure that short hair girl was number 01.
>>288185394F-Cup? Nah Satsuki was always number one
>>288184844>Sales have only skyrocketed >>288185082>Sales figures and surveys beg to differWhere and when have the sales skyrocketed? Surely you have access to the data indicating that.
>>288182561She changed rooms when her sister went to college, then moved back more recently when she grew attracted to Ta-kun and wanted the room across from his again.>>288183282Hikari accidentally gave Yuu an inferiority complex while growing up. Yami made Yuu feel needed for the first time.>>288183342He was ready to finally get with Hikari before stumbling on Yami's existence again. After the meltdown, he was still going to go through with accepting Hikari's feelings since she seemed ready and the truth would've been a huge bombshell, but it turned out she was pre-bombshelled.
>>288183509He doesn't know where to find Yami if she doesn't want to be found. Luckily she often wants to be found.>>288183765Right now we're just happy she didn't call Hikari, since it would've been Game Over.>>288183925Fascinating perspective, thanks.
>>288186096>Hikari accidentally gave Yuu an inferiority complex while growing upIt was no Hikari's fault that he was spinless from childhood. >Yami made Yuu feel needed for the first time.Yami preyed on his fragile mentality and made him cling on to her.
>>288185755Sasuki was freaking boring and unnoticeable
