>Last week, Japanese manga, anime and game publishing giant Kadokawa announced its consolidated earnings results for the fiscal year ended March 2026. According to the report, the company suffered a 51.3% decrease in operating profit compared to the previous year>Specifically, the company has acknowledged a recent bias towards “proven genres,” such as isekai and narou-kei, inevitably leading towards market saturation and worsening profitability. According to Kadokawa, the formulaic approach and a clear lack of depth of content diversity is what’s been preventing its domestic publication business from exploring new genres and taking on innovative projects.Isekai bros...https://automaton-media.com/en/news/kadokawa-cites-excessive-reliance-on-the-isekai-genre-as-one-of-the-major-causes-of-the-decline-in-profitability-in-its-domestic-publishing-business
>>288173419Then why do they keep doing it?
>>288173524It was working till it wasn't.
>>288173524This was only the initial report identifying the problem, now they'll need to establish a working group to brainstorm possible solutions over the course of six to eight months, publish another report giving concrete recommendations, assemble a task force to oversee the implementation of said recommendations, and then there is maybe some remote chance of any kind of change manifesting in reality.
>>288173524Because over saturation wouldn't be over saturation if it didn't creep up on you.
>>288173419>THE FUTURE IS ISEKAI>ISEKAI EVERY SEASON>THIS IS ALL ISEKAI'S FAULTt. Kekdokawa
>>288173577It's now affecting shareholders. You can bet your ass it's going to light a fire under theirs.
>>288173419>Vomit bunch of low quality isekai slop on all fronts>WTF WHY WE LOSING MONIES?For once shareholders are right.
The problem is kadokawa treating even their successful isekai like garbage, just look at fucking shield hero after season 1, then on the side they’ll shit out 10 random shoelacer shows that never go anywhere
>>288173595This didn't creep up on them they boarded a train headed straight for it.
>>288173419That's the problem with companies like Kadokawa. They BANDWAGON. They'll never give what viewers really want.What viewers really want?>>To have their expectations met, not get kicked in the groin by "bait-and-switch" tactics.>>For everyone to STOP being the same.>>To stop blue-balling the shounens.>>To understand that the Eastern market is NOT the Western market and for companies to stop using one anime title to focus on both markets.>>To basically do what CoolMic/OceanVeil is doing.>>Rent-A-Bitch @ bottom-of-charts; so let's NOT do that.
Are there any actual Japanese sources?
>>288173633Which shoelacer series has Kadokawa produced?
>>288173419>Our profits are declining! What do we do, isekai fan Anon?>I'm not a fan of isekai.>The isekai publisher said you were!>You are the fucking isekai publisher!
>>288173419>narou-keiLiterally fucking who
>>288173419loli imouto incest will bring the industry back.VVE MVST RETVRN.
>>288173764power fantasy isekai web novels self published on syosetu dot com
>>288173723I don't see Kadokawa as focused on fantasy as some other publishers such as Overlap. When it comes to adaptions they've been holding back many fantasy series and preferred pushing niche genres.
>>288173764Nip self publishing novel site. AKA the source of all those shitty isekai.
If my comfy isekai shit dies im gonna need someone to start making tons of shows with cute robot girls because its the only other thing that keeps me sane
I want them to be stupid enough to wage war against band anime
isekai is dead we are now in the witch era
>>288173846Isekai started with witches
>>288173419Motherfuckers, you were the ones that started this whole thing with your 'let's animate around 50 anime' per year initiative like a decade ago! Of course you were going to run out of good manga to adapt.
>>288173860>Of course you were going to run out of good manga to adapt.Kadokawa has a huge list of good manga they could adapt.Have you ever read a single of their magazines?
>>288173860Whole thing reminds me from hero/extraction shooter bs. And they can't really stop because doing anything in large companies take forever.
>>288173419Full articlehttps://www.nikkei.com/markets/ir/irftp/data/tdnr/tdnetg3/20260514/fx6i4p/140120260511523401.pdf
>dogshit fantasy with no isekai is shitted out in mass amountd>ISEKAI IS TO BLAME!!
>>288173942Other worlds still dominate the fantasy market. Contemporary and historical fantasy is minor.
>>288173419https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2021-11-02/kadokawa-anime-producers-want-isekai-to-take-over-the-world/.179109lol
What if the weakest genre was actually the strongest?
>>28817352490% of isekai publishers quit right before they're about to hit big
>>288173942Honestly, I've seen a few recent examples where structurally manga looked like isekai, but they removed all the isekai connection.In one MC just saw his future in a dream where he will die if he continues to be an evil asshole (form -not-a-hero's- party)
>>288173977Why do they adapt series like 2banme, Replica, Shunkashuutou, Mata Korosarete Shimatta no Desu ne, Tantei-sama, Kami no Niwatsuki Kusunoki-tei, Ingoku Danchi or Odekake Kozame?Their only isekai adaptions this season are sequels like Re:Zero, Nonbiri Nouka and Jidouhanbaiki.
I for one, think that buying Dogakobo and putting them in the oshi no slop factory instead of having them continue with CGDCT shows was a mistake.
>>288173419>>288173977There's nothing wrong with isekai if they didn't flood the market with all kinds of trash. They should have selected only the best to make money from anime.
>>288173977>2021So it took them 5 years to get 51.3% decrease in operating profits
Ah wonderful, we're going to focus on pandering to the lowest common denominator now for profitability. Everything must be focus tested.
>>288174096Look up the publishers for the respective series.
>>288174089>CGDCTThis doesn't appeal to the modern anime audience of hoodweebs and covidtourists because to them girls are weird and gross.
That time I was Reincarnated as a Toilet in the Middle of Nowhere and a Family of Elves with Diahrrea Adopted Me
>>288173524Because kusokawa is retarded and greedy.It's well known and pretty reasonable theory that Kadokawa loves to spam anime studios with single seasons of low budget stuff to basically block them from working for anyone else.And light novels and web novels are pretty easy to license and adapt, especially that Kadokawa is a major publisher for both.And most of LNs and WNs are isekai fantasy slop.Kadokawa gets exactly what they deserve.
From my perspective Narou-kei's really endured a long time compared to previous trends. Thinks like giant robots or battle harems when you go back and look at them really only boomed for a handful of years. But we're still here sitting through seasons that are pushing 1/3rd light novel adaptations.
>>288174143>And most of LNs and WNs are isekai fantasy slop.Not the ones that Kadokawa gets animated.
>>288174101Well, if the system worked, they would have editors who choose something promising, but guess the unexpected popularity of some meme-tier web trash changed everything, so they just satisfied the needs of readers
>>288173618Short-sighted profits over long-term vision. It's the standard for the majority of companies.
there are more series than people
>>288174165And ZERO company still won't talk about the birthrates As a company you should want families and children, now they cry because turns out, the lesser potential costumers the worse your company will doI miss when the world was smarter
>>288173854And lions and wardrobes?
>>288173419>acknowledged a recent bias towards “proven genres,” such as isekai and narou-keiIt's not just isekai. Narou-kei shit is like isekaishit without the isekai aspect.
>>288174150It's easier to make light novels than to make manga and in the current era where anyone can publish them online, it makes it even easier for individuals to enter the market. Publishers will then just look at the ones with the highest numbers because it's a guaranteed profit.
>>288173419>isekai as a major cause of decline in profitabilityIt's also a major cause of decline in my interest for anime, to the point where I thought that some shows that were actually non-isekai were isekai, like Shangri-la Frontier and Kusuriya no Hitorigoto.
>>288174007Damn maybe i should keep trying to talk to women
>problem: publishing 100x isekai didn't bring us 100x profits>solution: become leaner, recognize hits from diverse genres like CPK more quickly and pour all force into milking them, axe unpopular shit
>>288173419And yet they're still gonna continue to churn out isekaislop nonstop
Their problem is gacha and manwhas are stealing their audience. If they want selfinserts and harem they have gacha, and if they want fujobait/yaoi/male fanservice women have manwha (and some gacha) now. Japan had some weird point where they thought pandering to women wasn't worth it and now they lost them to the competition
>>288173577Every anime studio is booked out years ahead of time we ain't seeing a new flavor of the decade for a while even if they wanted to pivot right now
>>288173419>To tackle the issue, the company will focus on rebuilding its “genre strategy,” while implementing stricter criteria for greenlighting projects. LOL. LMAO even. Imagine being so bad at business and planning that you need to rediscover the idea that different genres exist for a reason.
>>288174171>I miss when the world was smarterIt never was. Humans operate on short-term profit and always have. It just that the speed of the world/life was much slower throughout the history which didn't make it as noticable. Humans aren't built for long-term planning as a species. The last time someone tried to make a long-term plan for the future (Diocletian) it resulted in literal Dark Ages and serfdom. Human monkeys should stick to short-term planning and leave long-term planning to others.
>>288174171I blame consumerism. It naturally directs people into seeking quick pleasure and people fall into it easily because it requires minimal effort and humans are naturally predisposed to choose the path of least resistance.It takes a higher level of self-control to resist quick rewards and the willingness to take risks.Eventually society will get into the point where people will finally have enough of mindless consumerism and start seeking out new lifestyles.
>>288174250"This thing was popular, people liked it, let's make 1000 more soulless clones of popular thing""Wait why did popular thing clone that had none of the charm of the original not sell??????"
So what's the next "big thing" going to be? Only other big sub-genre is Gal/Gyaru x Otaku and that's getting to saturation too. In b4 everyone just says their fetish is the next meta
>>288174250Yuri is the future
>>288174305Gundam's had a massive uptick recently so maybe other studios will start spamming out forgettable mecha shows like it's the 00s again
>>288174305>>288174250>>288174313
To be fair, looking at what sells paints a grim picture too.
>>288174305They explicitly stated Cosmic Princess Kaguya was a success at jumping on a new trend so expect more of that
>>288174292Issue is that everything now operate on pump and dump because CEOs and whatever highup position only last like 5 years. Zero reason to care since it going be problem of whoever comes next.Any sort of sane business operate on both short and long term.
>>288174313There's entire magazines devoted to plausibly deniable Yuri and they get regular adaptations, on top of regular yuri so it's as big as it'll ever be.
>>288174354Yuripigs even in Japan don't buy as much as Fujos too.
Lets feast tonight, fellow friends
>>288174314the problem is that the bandai filmworks restructuring thing basically ended up throwing incentives for mecha shows under the bus, plus recent shows like kyokai senki obviously failing due to being too rigid on the formula and not appealing for new gens or just nostalgia bait like gquuux
>>288173419>such as isekai and narou-kei, inevitably leading towards market saturation and worsening profitabilityyeah no fucking shitdon't tell me they didnt see this coming
>>288174347>KirbyGive me another fucking Kirby anime.
>>288174347>Kirbo novels are best sellers>Still no new kirbo animeSad.
>>288174347Cosmic Princess Kaguya! is a great movie despite all the AI, transhumanist gay shit going on. But i can't even start to imagine what the novel would look like, it's probably so absurd and discombobulating people get hooked on that. It's like something that Peter Thiel and Epstein got together and agreed to make it happen. They shook hands and said this is what the world needs right now.
>>288174210I honestly prefer random people having a chance to have their works published. But for the love of god can something other than fantasy come out? There's no way there aren't a few decent ones on narou.
>>288174352Back in the day when today's giants were just starting out, they were propelled by their founders who operated on a vision rather than pure profit, which made them plan long-term. When they died and their successors didn't share the same character, they started operating on pure numbers and what works best in the moment.Only a small percentage of companies manage to keep their founder's vision and not become a soulless tool for making money.
>>288174429It's a matter of supply and demand. There's still a huge demand for fantasy isekai because the majority of the audiance in Japan are lonely, depressed salarymen with no purpose in life.
>>288174365Yeah, it's like a bad spiral or whatever is called>Yuripigs don't buy that much so book stores don't have too much yuri>Bookstores don't have too much yuri when compared to yaoi so yuripigs can't buy that muchSo even those that want to support yuri as a whole have to get out of their way to do so unlike yaoi fans that have a lot of space in most specialized book stores and a whole fucking street for them.
>>288174313Trannies kill discussion though
>>288174429At least you'll get Reborn as a Space Mercenary this year
>>288174501Reminds me of the ao3 drama, with transbians begging women to write yuri fanfics instead of writing fics themselves
>>288174365Yeah but fujos are broken psychos. Some of my cousins are OG Tumblr/LJ crackship fanfic writers with the paddle and everything. They spend hella on their autismic focus, and owe big time to utilities and rent. If they were normal and not fucked up they wouldn't spend nearly as much dosh. But this sort of abberant behavior is encouraged by the industry that gets paid so well by it, so it continues.
>>288173419This implies is all they been doing, the only question is why were they doing something so stupid to begin with, this has nothing to do with isekai.
https://www.tipranks.com/news/company-announcements/kadokawa-corporation-revises-earnings-forecast-amid-extraordinary-lossesKadokawa Corporation has announced an extraordinary loss due to the amortization of goodwill related to its subsidiary, Doga Kobo Inc., amounting to 2,700 million yen. This financial adjustment, coupled with underperformance in the Publication/IP Creation and Animation/Film segments, has led to a downward revision of the company’s full-year consolidated earnings forecast for the fiscal year ending March 2026. Despite the successful sales of the new game title ELDEN RING NIGHTREIGN, increased costs and lower-than-expected revenue from new IPs have impacted the company’s financial outlook.
Do they even have a fucking editors to do their jobs? The problem with modern isekai is that they're repetitive and samey premise. Why didn't the editors give creative advice to the authors to spice things up or do something different in isekai?
Has Isekai been one of the longest running fads?>cyberpunk in late 80s and early 90s>subversive/darker mecha after eva>Love Hina misunderstandings harem comedy
>>288173419Maybe they shouldn't have produced 3 seasons of the isekai vending machine to beging with, they keep producing the same generic absurd isekai series.
>>288174566yeah anon try editing 1000 isekai series in narou and kakuyomu everyweek
>>288174429Nah, anon, you NEED to gatekeep, you need to keep the prestige, you need to teach plebs about the taste.It's not an ideal structure, vulnerable to nepotism and circlejerking but it's better than "democratization" aka pandering to wild animals
>>288174347I thought no game no life was cancelled because of the artist was caught tracing?What's selling now?
>>288173419Instead of making 100 slop isekai you could just make 5-10 good isekai, also kadokawa loves to shit out one season and never touch it again. I'd focus more on romcoms whether that's just regular boy meets girl or yuri.
>>288174597There's a difference between anyone can get their shit published and we will only produce what we know will make returns. That won't result in creativity. It'll result in the same shit that's ruined western movies where you get the same checklist of shit because it's what sells.
>>288174612No Game No life's tracing incident was pretty minor and most people didn't care. Nips love the lolis and especially shiro.
>>288173419It's not that hard to understand. There is a fixed number of people who will ever be interested in isekai. There is only so much time in those peoples' lives to consume it, even if they had infinite money to spend. The more isekai that gets made, the less of the market any individual isekai can realistically hope to capture. More and more isekai are fighting over the same pie, and it can only be sliced so thin before it's just no longer worth the effort. Diversification is always the right thing to do, to capture shares of many markets.Anyway make more CGDCT.
>>288174566There's too much workload and not enough editors.
>>288174582Vending Machine is great, and again, this has nothing to do with "isekai", if your store stop selling everything it used to to focus on only selling your best product your profit is obviously going to go down, is just a retarded thing to do, and the problem here is that the "solution" they will come up with has a chance to be even more retarded, but that's a discussion for another day.
>>288174171The problem is that the CEO, executives and higher-up care more about themselves than anything. Greedy and selfish is the problem
>>288174612After 10,000 years a new novel came out.
Kadokawa has a habit of picking up all of the shit isekai. Other companies are smarter.
>>288174582>>288174639Isekai vending machine's LNs were canned back when the CEO had some fucking balls. But since they're scraping the bottom of the barrel, they've animated shit they admitted was a literal fucking mistake. Look at what's happening with Psyren now.
>>288174636Anime is a growing market. Millions of Indians get into anime each year.
>>288174586So there's literally no quality control for the isekai department?
>>288174657Vending machine is good fun
>>288174660But they like shit like Solo Leveling and thats Sony.
I'm reading the thread and people seriously seem to not understand any part of this conversation so I just save my time and close the thread.>b-but isekai le badAll I ever get from this is that you should really stop watching every single fucking isekai ever made, by saying this you admit to be the problem.
>>288174657Psyren is Shueisha.
>>288174663No there's so many isekai pumped out on narou like at this second that tard wrangling all of these beers is very difficult.
>>288174657Isn't crunchyroll the one bankrolling the vending machine isekai?
>>288174653STARTS Publishing is has the worst in my eyes.
>>288174676neets*
>>288174663It's a pure contributing site. You don't have quality control on Pixiv or Twitter either.Only the titles that get picked up by publishers will get edited.
Cut isekai produced in half, do 50% isekai, 50% CGDCT
>>288173419Fantastic news, it's finally over
>>288174678Crunchy is on the committee for Shieldretard as well
>>288174640Then they can stop being retardedLess kids = less potential clients
>>288173419Isn't the Japanese economy also in freefall?
>>288174674it doesn't matter who owns what, the rise in flinging shit at the wall and desperately trying to find what sticks is happening across the board, not just kadokawa
>>288174714You can't reason with selfish people especially the elites. They can find way to make money somewhere in other markets globally
>>288174616>also kadokawa loves to shit out one season and never touch it again.That doesn't really seem like a Kadokawa specific thing. Anime is usually an advertisement and producing further seasons often isn't worthwhile. And even then YouZitsu has its fourth season airing right now.
https://automaton-media.com/en/nongaming-news/pony-canyon-records-impairment-loss-of-39-5-million-related-to-anime-production-costs/Fuji Media Holdings, which owns entertainment company Pony Canyon, has announced a downward revision of its consolidated earnings forecast for the fiscal year ended March 2026. Due to several factors, the company expects net income to fall sharply, down 71.1% from its previous forecast.The main reason for the downward revision is losses recorded at Pony Canyon as part of structural reforms in its anime-related business. Pony Canyon is best known for its involvement in the production and distribution of anime like the Attack on Titan series and numerous Kyoto Animation titles, and more recently, the feature-length animated film 100 meters. According to the full report from Fuji Media Holdings, Pony Canyon booked an impairment loss of approximately 6.3 billion yen (about $39.5 million USD) related to anime production costs, including major revisions to its anime investment plans and reforms in cost structure.According to RTB Square, the decision to recognize an impairment loss comes amidst Pony Canyon’s difficult financial situation as of late, driven by a decline in revenue due to a lack of hit titles and an increase in amortization of investments related to the anime business. Going forward, Pony Canyon plans to restructure its content production system and urgently work to create hits in the animation sector and improve profitability.Just posting since it's related to anime producing companies, even if it's a different one. There will be changes in the industry if 2 big producers are having losses.
>>288174729Why are they declining? They don't make isekai?
Wasn't one of the solutions for Kadokawa's problems suggested to be shitting out endless Elden Ring related crap, because people love Elden Ring?Animate that one manga with the naked guy. That was fun.
you could unironically stop making anime forever and we'd be perfectly fine. There's enough anime in the world that it'd take an entire lifetime to watch all the best ones, and several dozen lifetimes to watch all of them.
>>288174754Narou-kei
>>288174721Yeah, also Kadokawa is just a shit company overall so I wouldn't even believe what they have to say, most people posting here don't even remember Kemono Friends, but this is another isekaihate thread so move along.
>>288174566I suspect their editors were tasked to enforce that sameness if anything. "Proven investment" and all that.
>>288174727I like it. It's what makes manga the way it is. Better than everybody playing it safe and sticking to established formulas.
The future is gacha, kadokawa needs more gacha. Anime is a dated business that will eventually collapse.
>>288174746It's an industry wide problem. How long has Madoka been trying to get the new movie out? How long has it taken GuP to release a handful of movies? How long will it take Demon Slayer. Instead of focusing on those, they're spreading themselves too thin because they need to produce "My censored pantsu in another world"
>>288174703Make it 40% isekai, 10% mecha, and then 50% CGDCT. It's time that mecha made a comeback. Have all the pilots be cute girls.
>>288174305NTR
>>288174799>Anime is a dated business that will eventually collapse.There's still a big market for anime but they need to stop making a gorillian cheap slop,
>>288174799This. If short term profits are what they're after, shit out a low quality cookie cutter gacha, get whales on board, EoS after a year max.
>>288174637From their press release it seems they have way too many IPs in WN and LN form and not enough artists or animators.
>>288174803It's only a problem if you make it one.
>>288174819Cute Mechas Doing Cute Things
>>288174750Haha enjoy more shounenshit
>>288174799This might be true even if this is bait
>>288174836
>>288174750Pony Canyon almost makes as much trashy shit as Kadokawa.
>>288174829Companies pulling up red is clearly a problem.
>>288174827This is what happens when you buy up everything for the purpose of stopping other companies from getting them and not because you yourself want them.
>>288174785Kadokawa is less of a company and more of a conglomerate.Somehow people here see Shueisha, Shogakukan and Hakusensha as separate publishers while ASCII, Media Factory, Fujimi Shobo, Enterbrain or Kadokawa Shoten get lumped together.
Hakko is actually one of the good isekai, though. The series had a gimmick and stuck with it through thick & thin. The really important bit is how IT ENDED, too. If you want examples of endless shit isekai just look at the long-running ones, like re;zero or shield hero, those early market isekai that have turned rancid as they keep getting older and Editor-kun should've put a stop to them years ago. The Overlord dude only stopped because his wife nagged the fuck out of him to quit since it was embarrassing her SHAMEFUR DISPRAY.
>>288174863You're not getting profits by forcing yourself to finish everything you started.
>>288174875Literally NOTHING ever ends these days, and even when you believe something ended, it gets revided, that's just how all of the entertainment media work like. This is why I put so much value into endings, that's all I ask for from a series these days.
>>288174870They even made their own Naro (Kakuyomu) so that they could mine new IPs on it before anyone else can
>>288174895>these daysHasn't that been true for over a century?
Betrayed by my ediitor and banished from the publishing house, the weakest story becomes the strongest !?!
>>288174750>Pony Canyon is best known for its involvement in the production and distribution of anime like the Attack on Titan seriesThey made WTF drop the anime because they wouldn't give them enough time to animate later seasons and didn't allow them to join the production committee. SO FUCK THEM
>>288174313it would be nice but kaguya is probably an outlier. both male and female yuri fans in japan are known to not really buy that much merchandise compared to other fanbases. there aren't that many hit yuri series historically so i'm not expecting them to do that much.they could be referring to kaguya because it's a high budget original or some other characteristic that's not specifically its genre
They should really give shounen endings, and have CGDCT go on forever. Everyone will be happy. Instead they do it the other way and everyone is miserable.
>>288174305Girl bands
>>288173419>56,000,000 That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime (Narou/Micromagazine/Kodansha/Bandai) [ISEKAI]>40,000,000 Apothecary's Diaries (Narou/Shufunotomo/Square-Enix/Shogakukan)>31,000,000 Toaru: "A Certain" series (Kadokawa)>30,000,000 Sword Art Online (self-hosted/Kadokawa)>25,000,000 The Irregular at Magic High School (Narou/Kadokawa)>22,000,000 Slayers (Kadokawa)>20,000,000 Danmachi: Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon? (SoftBank)>20,000,000 Haruhi Suzumiya series (Kadokawa)>17,000,000 Mushoku Tensei: Jobless Reincarnation - I'll Seriously Try If I Go to Another World (Narou/Kadokawa/Toho) [ISEKAI]>14,000,000 Overlord (Arkadia/Narou/Kadokawa) [ISEKAI]>13,000,000 Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (Narou/Kadokawa) [ISEKAI]>13,000,000 Ascendance of a Bookworm: I'll do anything to become a librarian (Narou/T.O Entertainment) [ISEKAI]>13,000,000 The Rising of the Shield Hero (Narou/Kadokawa/Crunchyroll) [ISEKAI]>12,000,000 Sorcerous Stabber Orphen (Kadokawa)>11,500,000 Full Metal Panic! (Kadokawa)>10,300,000 Welcome to the Classroom of the Elite (Kadokawa)>10,000,000 Goblin Slayer (SoftBank/Square-Enix)>10,000,000 Konosuba: God's blessing on this wonderful world! (Narou/Kadokawa) [ISEKAI]>10,000,000 My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, As I Expected. (Shogakukan/Square-Enix)>10,000,000 Record of Lodoss War (Kadokawa)>10,000,000 Fortune Quest (Kadokawa) Kadokawa picking up isekai/narou was a good business decision. The mistake they made is that they just kept doing it all at once. Had they just kept focusing on what's selling well and/or is well-received, they would have been just fine. But their biggest mistake is getting into the "kicked out of the hero's party" off-shoot. This is where things go really bad for them because their authors are all enthusiastic writing about the idiotic hero party falling into misery because their "shoelacer" is no longer around to tie their shoes. But once that's done they just give up.
>>288174305According to Kadokawa, villainess slop and adjacent.
>>288174981In five years time "Villainess slop reliance has caused us great losses"
>>288174980>But their biggest mistake is getting into the "kicked out of the hero's party" off-shoot.Which of those series was published by Kadokawa?
>>288173633That's a low quality isekai, it was just ahead of the saturation trend. And I mean story and design, not production values. For a high quality isekai try war on geminar.
>>288174597Any guy having a chance to get his work published is not a problem, it's better that way really. The industry just needs to stop being biased towards the most repetitive genre out there.
>>288174981how is this not saturated yet, there's a billion of those already
>>288175024It is, and they're animating the worst ones, it's another epidemic of going all in on useless shit because somethinglike Bakarina was popular.
>>288173419Good, the world is starting to heal.
>>288174291>Let's pretend human nature doesn't exist, I'm so smartWhat a retard
Oasis Capital Partners are absolute cancer. They (and Tencent) probably want FromSoft to make mobile games and gacha. And now they probably have enough evidence that shit isn't working to oust the CEO. But hopefully all this leads to more resources devoted to sequels
>>288174292I come to you from ten thousand years in the future, that never happens.
>>288174305None of the things in the replies so far that's for sure.
>>288174993 None of the few that were actually successful enough to get an anime. I looked up Novelupdates but they only include ones with existing FanTLs and don't even have a proper tag for it. I did one though: >The Support Magician Who Was Kicked Out of The Hero Party Will Begin His Adventure
>>288174639No
>>288175024Aimed at women and they have no standarts
>>288174291>Humans operate on short-term profit and always haveCapitalist lies. If that were true we never would have spend thousands of years figuring out medicine we'd have just culled our sick and infirm the moment they stopped being useful. Nor would anybody every do anything they wouldn't live long enough to benefit from
>>288174765I've already seen all the good ones, let alone best.
>>288174305>vtuber-adjacent idol anime thanks to Kaguya's success>idol anime thanks to bandori and hasu movie bringing in new audiences.>kids-oriented mahoushoujo thanks to Precure
>>288175192Retard
>>288175236Delayed gratification, altruism, and long term benefits are things we understand intuitively as fully grown social animals. If it were against human nature, we wouldn't even have words for them
>>288175277Double retard, no I will not educate you
>>288175277>>288175192Go back to /pol/
>>288175289You won't educate yourself either
>>288173419>make some isekai>"hey this is pretty easy money... I know!">start producing 10000 shit quality isekai simultaneously all competing with eachother>"WTF OUR PROFITS"yeah really just sounds like retardation is the problem, do they really not know how to diversify
>>288174101What do you think modern isekai was, if not focus tested slop for the lowest common denominator (webnovel readers)?Just because you like the taste doesn't mean it's not garbage, you fucking pig.
>Has 3 lighting in the bottle>Throw all of them away when you can't control it 100%>Spend all your budget looking for the next big thingWhy most JP corpo like this
Coward
>>288175352They think make 1000 isekai is viable when isekai watchers already have an endless amount of content
>>288173419every era of anime had to reinvent itself by creating new trends. if Isekai has gotten stale, make something fresh, take a chance
Kadokawa in a nutshellhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w5D9yJUMOc
>>288175450But the profit margins and the investors. Think of the investors!
>>288173419I Have Died by Losing Profit as a Kadokawa Board Member But Now I Have Reincarnated as a Tie-Breaking Shareholder Dividend Merchant
>>288175450Or go back to the old staples that never get stale: cute girls doing cute things, with strong direction and design. Get really great characters, that look great, sound great, have immediately likable but diverse personalities, put them in a situation each episode and just let them behave as they would naturally. It writes itself.Western sitcoms can take that basic framework and go for 200, 300 episodes, easy, and barely fall off in ratings towards the end. Surely an animation studio can spend a couple years in development once, then put out 13 episodes every other year, at a minimum, indefinitely.Try to produce at least two new ones every year, until your schedule is full up forever on the ones that resonate with audiences. When ratings do start to fall off, wrap them up with one last season and have another ready to go to fill the slot. If you have a regular schedule with it, and get 13 more out every year, viewers will expect its return and come back, instead of forgetting and losing interest. Doesn't all have to be comedies. Do a drama. Do a romance. Do a fucking procedural, a bunch of loli cops solving crimes or loli doctors curing a disease each week. Whatever. Throw some new ideas at the wall and see what sticks.Actually commit to a second cour before you release the first, then spend the time in between learning what the fans did and did not like, and adjust for the second cour. Imagine that, an anime that actually responds to viewers and gives them more of what they want. Imagine the sort of loyalty that will bring when fans see the studios respond to feedback.It'll be an investment up front, but long-term you build a good reputation, and an audience that comes back again and again. If I had the money to fund an anime, I'd do it like that. Pay for five seasons up front, make the studio take the time with its creatives to develop properly before starting, really hone the core ideas and perfect the characters, then go run with it.
>>288175654eventually someone will take a chance, either by going back to the old staples or inventing something new, and it'll get popular, and everyone else will start to imitate it.it's probably just tougher to pull off in the current risk-averse environment than it would've been in the past.
>>288173662>>>Rent-A-Bitch @ bottom-of-charts; so let's NOT do that.That series deserves to die regardless
>>288175595that's just slime isekai
>>288174347>To be fair, looking at what sells paints a grim picture too.>Cosmic Princess Kaguya is at topSo we need more postmodern yuri, got it!
>>288175654>with strong direction and designYou already lost the point here, the production values or however you call it and the content are irrelevant to the issue at hand, you are just saying "instead of doing this thing I don't like do this thing I like", also your idea sounds terrible>just do this anime and keep running it to the ground until it stop making profit or just forget the profit bro trust meIs something everyone would hate, though I'm not entirely sure of what you are trying to say, in my country there's this series that been running for over 2000 episodes, each episode 1 hour long by the way, and if you ask anyone about it they are always calling it shit, but they are still watching it...
>>288173419Woah who knew pumping out the same incel wish fulfilment for years would cause people to get sick of it... tis truly fascinating
>>288174721It's what happens when they don't fucking invest in people having kids You want Takeshi to have 3 kids, no being childless and probably killing himself at some point
>>288173419They have to scapegoat something. It's their fault and not isekai's fault. No one told them to oversaturate the market.
Just a reminder that even when Kadokawa was at it's peak, with Lucky Star, Haruhi and Sgt. Frog at the top of their sales, Kadokawa Shoten was still unable to turn any profits, simply due to the business side of this company sucking absolute balls. They only managed to survive with the restructuring in the 2010's, but obviously with nothing coming as close to those successes (not even Re:Zero), and the same shitty practices still being applied (remember that olympics fiasco? or Kemono Friends?), it was bound to fail again.This is just their scapegoat for their incompetence, a month ago they we're blaming the over production of all anime, but I guess saying your anime division is incapable of producing any anime didn't give them their best looks, so now they came up with this. Expect for full Chinese buyout within the next decade ATP.
>>288175839profits don't matterall that matters is securing more investor capital
>>288173524It may be a strange idea to you, but some people care more about art than money.
>>288173524they're stupid and greedy and didnt see the obvious outcome of people quickly getting tired of low effort isekaislop
>>288175868>Isekaislop>art
>>288175860And you think a chronically unprofitable company can easily secure more investors? Specially a public company?
>>288175839Re:Zero is Media Factory.
>>288175893If shit on a canvas can be considered art, then so can isekai
>>288175916and who owns media factory you faggot
>>288175922KADOKAWA CORPORATION and only since 2013. They're not part of Kadokawa Shoten.
>>288175893Is mostly great yes, but that's not the theme here.
is it too late to make money from my own isekai story?
>>288175907easily. The investors only care that the shares steadily increase in value. and the shares will keep increasing in value over ten year schema so long as more investor capital is sunk into the corporation. That's how investor capital economies work. The business model actually being profitable only matters when it's a private business, not a publicly traded corporate body
>>288175771Are you the same retard as in the fanservice thread? Do you even like anime? You keep saying you don't anime to be good.
>>288175952yes
>>288174750Time to exploit animators some more.
>>288174313I see yuriniggers are getting uppity again
>>288175952Isekai is here to stay until the japanese population becomes less overworked or a better genre presents itself.
>>288175952Sure hope you are japanese there buddy, but no, your isekai will sell, what could go wrong is with its anime, but as an author you still won't see a single cent from the anime assuming it does well, so not your problem really.
>>288174165They do talk about long-term the thing is that their long-term isn't really long-term for a company of their size, they also don't understand trends
Who could have imagined that spamming the lowest quality shit you could find because line must go up would backfire.
>>288176057People don't even like yuri like they claim to do, just cattle following others.
isekai is not a genre like how sci-fi is not a genrethe isekai problem is just a shit writing problem
>>288176227Once I heard about unicellular organisms, which don't have a brain or any complex behavior, they just search for food and move along this nutrient gradient until it ends, and they couldn't find any difference in the behavior of big companiesIronic, all those smartass humans inside the company, all their analytics and predictions, just to "create" a higher-level unicellular entity
>>288176261Modern sekai is boring because it's all the same shit about some loser who ends up in some medieval western fantasy.
>>288176354also with game elements to undermine even possible novelty
>>288173764If you don't know what narou is you have no business clicking isekai good or isekai bad threads
>>288174180Every big isekai WN author started out writing with ZnT fanfic
>>288174566They're adaptations of editorless web novels
>>288173419The answer is never that the stories are bad and no one wants to watch them
>>288173838i will have enough isekai slop on my backlog to last me at least a decade, considering i didnt watch most of the seasonals
>>288174566>>288174788LNs do have editors, but they can't do anything about the story itself because it was already written in the editorless WN. They can clean up prose and fix inconsistencies and shit, but the sameness of the story is going to stay.
>>288173764holy newfag
>>288173419Maybe they should keep censoring shit.
>>288175839Sony is the one that almost bought Kadokawa recently. It might end up happening if their finances don't change.
>>288174566because it's gambling>accept thousands of submissions>1% get published>of those, 1% become popular>of those, 1% become sustainably popular>those get a manga adaption>of those, the ones that garner a fanbase get anime adaptions>merch gets made>the rich get richer at a minuscule cost
>>288176467If nobody wanted to follow the stories, the wns and lns wouldn't have as many readers as they do.
>>288175942This topic is actually about Kadokawa Corporation overall, not just Shoten. That's the company mentioned in the sources linked by the op's article.
>>288176762But >>288175839 was explicitly talking about Shoten.
>>288173419>I Got Kicked Out Of The Kadokawa Company For Working Isekaislop And Causd The Company Losing Profits And Now I'm Was Going To Make Isekaislop Independently But I Died After Getting Hit By A Truck Then Reincarnated As A Rock And I Can't Do Anything
>>288176677Completely wrong. They can publish a novel where the only thing that stays the same is the character names. Choosing not to is a choice on their part.
>>288176861At that point there's no reason to pay the wn author for the license.
>>288175950>is mostly greatlolnext you're going to tell me the battle academy harem era were yummy underrated gems
>>288176989Those were better days...
The isekai hype isn't even that big anymore on narou.Rom-com has lots of top stuff and also native isekai.
>>288173942All those shows are indistinguishable from Isekai. 99% of the "in another world" part of the premise is completely irrelevant.
We can only imagine how much better the entire anime scene would be if narou didn't exist
>>288174171>And ZERO company still won't talk about the birthratesNeed more anime about making babies.
>>288173419I'm so happy that pandering to the lowest IQ audience aka isekai lovers proved disastrous
>>288173419Almost 10 years on the dot from when people started saying isekai would be the new big thing
>>288174721The Japanese economy hasn’t properly recovered since their brief bubble economy burst in 1991. For example Japanese GDP in 2017 was only 2.6% higher than it had been in 1997, with an annualized growth rate of 0.13%. Japan's national debt was is also around 234.9% of its GDP, as of March 2025. The only reason they aren’t doing worse is because vast majority of that debt is domestic and for obvious reasons nobody in the country wants to go through a financial crisis if it can be avoided
>>288173419People want to blame isekai, but the reality is that Kadokawa has put too much of its resources into promoting works that are basically about as otaku as otaku can get.Isekai is just a code word for romantasy and literally everything that goes under the romance and slice of life genres.It also doesn't help that they basically flock to the webnovel sites that are full of authors who are trying to make money. What's wrong with that? It's because they're constantly in a war with each other to get attention and views on their novels.The entire book publishing scene from indie to professional is an insane rat race where they are desperate to get readers because THEY KNOW they have to compete with all forms of entertainment that exist plus social media.Meaning that they WILL bandwagon on whatever tropes and tags are popular right now. What is popular right now? Literally all things that are romance and all things that have to deal with girls.Think about it, why the fuck are we getting bombarded CONSTANTLY with seasonal romances? Why are waifu gacha's growing in prominence to the point where they take over comiket? Why are gyaru's suddenly exploding out of nowhere? Why is hot garbage like kanokari still relevant?It's because people eat that shit up.Modern anime is just on the level of cheap hallmark channel romance.Look at Royal RoadLook at the Catalog on /a/ The proof is LITERALLY RIGHT THERE
>>288173419>censorship >mis translations >cringe modern slang>gaijin sabotaging >muh global audiences >no fanservice But it's those damn isekai stories, AMIRITE??
>>288174619>>288174636>>288174639Yeah at some point it becomes a self-fulfilling problem when you stop diversifying genres, tropes, etc. Basic market segmentation shit
>>288175839Kemono friends sould out of fucking buckets. Buckets!I'm still impressed at how hard they fucked that one up.
>>288174597what you advocate for happened to western entertainment, especially hollywoodand look at it now
>>288174429Because it is more lucrative to do what makes money.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPBD2WybXrs
>>288173524>Then why do they keep doing it?21st century capitalists are retarded and don't understand the law of the tendency for the rate of profit to fall.
at some point, you'll have to accept that the anime bubble is popping, isekai series is literally the only thing that is STILL popular among viewers
>>288174305Dungeon streamers. Trust me.
>>288177582It is true, the COVID era buff has started to wane
>>288177314>Why are waifu gacha's growing in prominence to the point where they take over comiket?Because it's actual real otaku>promoting works that are basically about as otaku as otaku can get.They are barely otaku, they are escapist with some otaku references the real otaku stuff is hardly anywhere don't get confused
>>288173524Ask yourself one question.Would you rather publish a book that is specifically made for otaku, about hot and sexy girls from another world that has nothing in particular happening, the girls are there for the fan service and constantly show off the goods, and will never end which will allow you to constantly print more and more books while also guaranteed to make money forever and ever.Or would you rather publish a book about a guy who is given a task to beat the game and goes forward with the challenge, experiencing the game world in its entirety, overcoming challenges, engaging in epic battles, learning and growing as a person, and getting to a good end of the story in a timely fashion that would not be guaranteed to make money and is also an enormous risk in the face of things that just flat out better to publish?
>>288176354That's like saying all Action-Thrillers are the same because it's always just about people fighting each other or all Romances are the same because it's about two people loving each other but something or another always getting in their way or all Tragedies are the same because it's always about the MC or someone close to the MC ending up dead or crippled in some way.
>>288175192>>288175277We did. Elders relied on their own skills and their children to care for them, and if they couldn't market the former and the latter were dead/useless, elders would starve or wander off into the woods to die.
the big flush is coming
>>288175223>kids-oriented mahoushoujoThey just tried that and it flopped with kids so terribly they had to start selling insurance on commercial breaks.
>CTRL+F "yuri">16 resultsBased
>>288173942The report said isekai AND narou-kei dumbass. Narou-kei is what you're thinking of and is just isekai with the Earth connection gone
>>288177653You can do both, you can have heavy otaku escapism with a well written narrative while pandering to waifufags, while taking risks and printing money. It just requires a degree of finesse that most writers lack.
>>288174101>Ah wonderful, we're going to focus on pandering to the lowest common denominator now for profitabilityI'm sorry....what exactly did you think all the isekai webnovels becoming LNs and anime and overrunning the industry was?
>>288174089The thing is it's not like their GCDCT shows did that well consistently meanwhile, for all its faults as a story, OnK is like a giant hit by all regards you can think of. It's about to get a complete adaptation (for better or worse, generally worse)
>>288174150Giant robots boomed for like a good two decades though.
>>288174305Based on what are currently the hits are, the genre doesn't matter as much as it having a lot of motion and bright flashing lights.What would we call that? "Key-jangling?"
>>288173419They're all risk averse. They're terrified of innovation and trying new things. They'll always pick the safest and comfiest bets, or at least those that are perceived as such, and this is endemic throughout the entire industry, reason why you see constant Season 2, 3, 4, 5+ and remakes and spinoffs of old successful shows, over and over again.They're cowards afraid to risk money on original projects. They'll only fork up the dough if the IP has been proven to generate revenue. And then their reaction is as in OP's post when things go south because people are tired of the same fucking shit oversaturating the market.The solution? Fire everyone at the top and replace them with people who are passionate and actually watch and enjoy anime, not those who don't.
>>288175223>kids-oriented mahoushoujo thanks to PrecureUh no, Precure is the reason there isn't more mahou shoujo.
Now i'm waiting for Kakao or naver to say that Webtoon is a mistake
>>288177582theres just too much to watch you could spend a lifetime watching old stuff pirated
>>288174429It's all fantasy BECAUSE random people are getting their works published
>>288177847Let's do that again. It was based.
It's all key jangling, retard.There are people who are afraid of action and plot and there are people who are afraid of having a million girls on screen.The problem is that there are far more anime with a million girls on screen than anime with fights. We go through this all the tucking time, there's barely any action anime to begin with and yet for some reason people always cry about it.We literally had a thread on the nikke shorts yesterday and people were going KINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO despite the numerous nikke fans telling us that the story is bad.
>>288173419What the people want is a return of battle harems.
>see demand for isekai with decent hits>oversupply the market>???>PROFIT LOSTHow many times they'll repeat this cycle anyway?
>>288177910Those were just as bad and were absorbed into isekai
>>288177802But narou series were actually pretty successful for Kadokawa. So wouldn't the problem lie more with "kakuyomu-kei" instead?
>>288173764bruh... how new?the "Mushoku tensei" diarrhea was written there
>>288173419>Lived long enough to see the end of Kadokawa
>>288174250these are mistakes a amerishart company would make what happened to japan, they had like 20-30 year plans, not its just retarded ultra-short-term shareholder profits
>>288177910nue'e exorcist and kurotsuki no yaergnacht prove this
>>288174347huh? no it doesnt
>>288174180More like "books about witches, and the guy who wrote the one that inspired most of them just wanting to be dommed by loli Hermione.">>288176396Only a handful were actually writing fanfiction, most notably Tappei. The rest of them were doing what they still are today: writing blatant knockoffs. But yes, ZnT is the nexus of it all.
https://x.com/i/status/2056298747353858536>they're starting to axe isekai titles that were scheduled to be serialized nowthe world is healing!
>>288178025Now do this for rom coms and we can really be healing.
>>288174089Oshi no Ko is the biggest hit Doga Kobo ever had and that by a long shot.
>>288177932Battle harems could at least reach cheap fast food standard on average. Isekai finds even that bar to be too high
>>288173419Even when something great gets an anime adaption the animation quality is terrible, so what is even the point!?
>>288174429they need to to increase the quality bar on fantasy thats for sure Aso where the fuck is the new Eminence in Shadow season?
>>288178050That's Futabasha.
>>288177928I feel like not giving the writers a deadline to get their shit done didn't help.One of the biggest problems with isekai is how meandering and pointless the "episodes" are. Writers aren't rushed to make something engaging nor are they compelled to cut out irrelevant stuff to fit the main plot in for time because they can just keep releasing.You don't really hear stories of light novels getting cancelled, right? Think of how many manga only make it 2-3 volumes even if they show promise while LNs can easily get 20+ volumes even if they are completely obscure. So in comparison mangaka seem to have built a habit of having a more brisk pace, at least until they hit it big.
>>288178025I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't be concerned about Isekai manga that have been serialized for a while now getting unceremoniously axed as well, like Sentai Red Isekai
>>288177910Dumbass, Battle harems not actually being successes is what brought us to the current state
>>288174305Villainess stories and shoelacer slop, all of which is isekai-adjacent and much of which is just literally isekai, are much more prolific trends among WNs/LNs than otaku x gyaru romcoms. If you really wanted to consolidate trends into the biggest, most catch-all umbrella possible, it would be something like "books about protagonists who are actually perfect, but totally underappreciated, getting spurned and then proving how perfect they are by humiliating the people responsible; harem optional—but seemingly required."
>>288178051>>288178050>they need to to increase the quality bar on fantasy thats for sureWe have great fantasy authors making novels but people ignore them, Pic Related is 5 books but we only got a 50 episode Anime that only adapts the first 2 books
>>288178050>cour 2>unfinished episodes make it to air with missing background/cg texturesI'm still seething
>>288177928I mean this happens with literally every anime trend. I think isekai might be the first trend nu-anime fans are seeing happen in real time so it is seeming like a big deal but for older fans, this was a long time coming. At one point battle harems were as prevalent as isekai. At a point before that, CGDCT seemed unstoppable. And then there was that period when visual novel adaptations were all the rage. Before that it was mecha. All of these genres were all at their respective points considered pillars of the industry that could never find diminishing returns. But then they did.
>>288174305>even big tit romcoms are becoming overdoneThey're running everything into the ground
>>288178050Anon...when has that ever not been the case? Whenever something get animated, you have to hope you're getting a decent staff
>>288178111>"books about protagonists who are actually perfect, but totally underappreciated, getting spurned and then proving how perfect they are by humiliating the people responsible; harem optional—but seemingly required."So basically this target audience >>288174483
Battle shounen (and specifically battle shounen) and generic romcoms are the trends that literally will never die. Everything else is ethereal
>>288178087Girls are for fucking not fightingFighting has too much movement, its scary
>>288176311always been that way
>>288177857>Fire everyone at the top and replace them with people who are passionate and actually watch and enjoy anime, not those who don't.That would require the ones above them to be passionate about anime or atleast know that success and growth comes with taking risks and thinking longterm. However, established companies have an environment where people with this kind of mindset rarely get put in charge.
>>288178145I blame SAO progressive.Reki kawahara had a prime opportunity to actually REWRITE aincrad into something that isn't fucking romance slop and actually lean into the struggle of surviving the game and being successful with all the themes of existentialism.Instead he said KIRITO AND ASUNA!!! KIRITO AND ASUNA ALLL DAY EVERY DAY!!!By the way, we're going to have a progressive manga that is... KIRITO AND ASUNA!!!ITS ALL ABOUT ASUNA!!!KIRITO IS A BIG JOKE!!LOOK AT THE BIG TIT ELF GIRL!!!And then the artist got big for having the big tit girls and fucked off to print money with his manga where the joke is... big tits. Even the male characters in his series literally have no face. The entirety of the anime and manga space is just trend chasing and slapping in every trope and tag imaginable.
lolicon isekai when
>>288174305As other posts have said, I'm leaning toward villainess and otome isekai, which is just going to lead to the same problems as regular isekai but for the reverse gender. You can already see the enroachment slowly happening.I think there was like 5 minutes where people thought webtoon adaptations would be a thing but clearly that didn't pan out
>>288178207>KIRITO AND ASUNABut Kirito and Asuna is great
>>288178051We're getting a movie before a new season. That's coming next year. A new novel did finally drop at the beginning of last month, though.
>>288178187A man after my own heart, at least in regards to doing shit just for the fun of it
>>288173419>Light novel exploding>Manga industry exploding>Anime industry explodingSeeing the nu-industry industry of tourists exploding piece by piece will be glorious
>>288178228lolicon based mcs tend to be insufferable
>>288178258Great
>>288178261The only thing that will survive will be the action series you're all scared of because those actually make money.
>>288178262>lolicon based mcs tend to be insufferableThat doesn't exist
>>288178280If by action series you mean stuff like battle shonen these are exploding too lmao. They're 100% catering to tourist since long ago and their decline has been older than kadokawa's
>>288173419Sweet. Fuck anime, make Dark Souls IIII
>>288173662>>288175746I want to lock Miyajima together in a room with TorishimaWhat a fucking waste of talent, so frustrating how lazy and ambitionless he is
>>288178304What? Play any loli focused VN and the MC 9/10 times is a loud mouth spreg.
>>288178240Kirito and Asuna are literally the worst things about the series.
>>288178338>battle shonen these are exploding too lmao.They literally aren't.
>>288173419That's straight up wrong by the way, the decline in profitability comes from the thousands of shitty adaptations made every year, it just so happens that they are doing more isekai adaptations nowadays,.
>>288178170>Girls are for fucking and fightingFixed, faggot.
>>288174556How in the fuck did the Shiunji-ke anime do numbers like that? No one even reads the manga despite it being far better than Reiji's main work, and it sure didn't seem like the anime got much attention despite being an extremely solid adaptation. There's also hardly merch to speak of despite it featuring five highly merchandisable waifus, and no indication that there will ever be a season 2. I'm baffled by this.
>>288178358>MC 9/10 times is a loud mouth spreg.I don't think any character can be insufferable. That doesn't sound insufferable to me
>>288177953>But narou series were actually pretty successful for Kadokawa.No they weren't.One or two were out of a hundred.Even then they weren't hugely successful.
All I can say anime originals are making a strong comeback soon.
>>288178403"insufferable" is what you're hung up about...? replace that with any synonym then
>>288174313Sometimes I think I'm into yuri, but then turns out I was just in the mood to read/watch some hentai about girls nailing each other with strap-ons.Started reading some yuri drama manga, but plot got so retarded I just had to nope out. And it's mostly blueballing when it comes to romance(I'm looking at you, Symphogear), so I just don't fucking know what's the appeal.Maybe I should look harder for some wholesome stuff, if there is.
>>288178406I'll never forget isekai roxanne, the story that is literally just about some dude fucking roxanne. Nothing was happening in it at all and yet people were eating it up and simping for roxanne.That was the point where i truly realized that people only watch anime for just the waifus.
>>288176677Better light novels very frequently have editors who do exactly this. You often find afterwords from amateur authors plastered in the back of their new isekai novel simultaneously praising their editor for helping them change the novel immensely into something much better, while also lamenting how brutal it is to actually be a published author with real deadlines. Much of that lament comes from having an editor who makes them actually do their fucking job.
>>288173419Yeah no shit. If you keep excessively focusing on a genre even after people have started to get tired of it you will obviously start to lose money.
>>288178445>Sometimes I think I'm into yuri, but then turns out I was just in the mood to read/watch some hentai about girls nailing each other with strap-ons.Congrats, you're a healthy adult maleIt's only women, gay guys and trannies that care about the drama and relationship shit, which is why it's laughable when yuriniggers try to defend yuri as being "hot" when it's not
>>288174096Their MO is to scam a bunch of fanfiction writers
>>288178467
Once isekai finally steps away, what's taking its place? I know band girl anime have been getting pretty big but that doesn't seem like something that could saturate a whole season
>>288174556>>288178393Your problem is that you think the internet is real life. The only thing that matters is the amount of people that uses their money to buy stuff. That is the reason Fujos have so much power, they literally pay 20 times more than your average costumers.
>>288178131Isekai dominance has lasted an unnaturally long time, though. Only mecha had similar longevity, and that was from so different a time that it's an apples to oranges comparison.
>>288174101>Animating fanfiction trash is good actually, because... it just is
>>288178509girlband melodramas (and yuri in general) are only big because of china
>>288178239>villainess and otome isekaiThe tell will be how the Inept Villainess anime does in the summer. Toho is pushing it hard like Apothecary Diaries
>>288178509Webtoon adaptations of course.
>>288174895Konosuba ended and the author didn't even bother tying up loose ends. Seirei Gensouki, however? Somehow still going. The harem of some 14, incredibly unsatisfied waifu are actively drowning in their own bodily fluids after their 6,998th experience having their panties flooded before being promptly nowayfagged by the impotent, sexless protagnist.
>>288178338>If by action series you mean stuff like battle shonen these are exploding too lmaoNot only is this not true, the shounen that get popular are getting extremely popular
>>288178445You're just a fake man who is afraid of other men.
>>288178379>Tourist see industry exploding>Instead of reflecing on the fact his immediate reaction is the typical "NONONO THIS IS JUST HAPPENING TO SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE WHAT I LIKE IS PERFECT AND GOOD"Lmao keep hiding your head in the sand like an ostrich then. When the industry keeps exploding (because the explosion has already begun) don't cry because guys like me didn't warn you and told you in advance that this was going to happen.
>>288177892>Expecting modern animators to do 2D mecha
>>288178566did you respond to the wrong post or something
>>288178509Girl + (Insert concept) which is already what we're getting.
>>288178467Meanwhile, Kawakami buckbreaks his editor into submission with the lenght of his books
>>288175654>Or go back to the old staples that never get stale: cute girls doing cute things>Throw some new ideas at the wall and see what sticksYou can only have one of these things, anon.
>>288178577>Expecting modern animators to do anything that isn't two characters being in a room talking about their feelings
>>288175654>Cute girls doing cute things>Strong directionlmaoooooooooo
>>288174305>So what's the next "big thing" going to be?Industry crash incomingJump most likely dropped below 1 mill circulation in Q1 2026
>>288177953>But narou series were actually pretty successful for KadokawaI feel like people see 'there is a lot of a thing that means it must be successful' and don't look deeper into it. No, they were not. Like even if you were going by anime alone, are there any narou-kei you can actually say truly blew up? The reason isekai felt unstoppable is that it truly had multiple hits. Real hits, not a couple off successes. It wasn't just SAO and everybody hopping on the bandwagon, there were frequent titles topping the charts and being real successful anime. It's what at the time separated isekai from battle harems which had like 2 maybe 3 real successes during that whole wave. Narou-kei is like battle harems.
>>288178637Saito getting sacked soon
>>288178637Maybe one day we will get a jump series that isn't full of ugly men and takes direct inspiration from bleach.
>>288175753>that's just [the most successful isekai and light novel property of all time by a huge margin]I wanna FUCKING kill myself.
>>288174313Are people really thinking suddenly people will be into yuri because of Kaguya? That's ridiculous.
>>288177998Dumb namefag
>>288178467Pretty much. The editors are there to keep the authors in check and give them a second opinion so that they don't get lost in their own head.Akasaka Aka either had a laidback editor or he's a stubborn retard who won't take opinions of other people into consideration. Both to some degree could be true at the same time.
>>288178655Except we all know that SAO isn't an isekai. The newest discourse on SAO is that it was literally ruined by forced romance.
>>288178509Brother, someone already asked this >>288174305
>>288177611What does that even mean?
>>288178703I know SAO isn't actually an isekai but pretending the isekai boom didn't spread from it because its appeal just happened to fit well on isekai is just denying reality.
>>288174429This is like complaining about not being able to find quality stories from wattpad or fanfiction.net
>>288178734streaming in the dungeonsometimes combined with the common korean "dungeons invade the real world" genre
>>288178039Nobody gives a shit about Battle Harems anymore except High School DxD.
>>288178695how am I dumb, most of the titles in the pic are really good:classroom of the eliteshibou yugisousou no frierenrussiakusiriyangnlprivate tutorhow are these grim
>>288177643>gacha slop peddling waifu shit is otaku>isekai LNs peddling waifu shit isn't otakuYou can not conceivably be this retarded, can you?
>>288178467>>288178494incorrect, our girl did it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChqJGpy02Xw&pp
>>288178744>dungeons invade the real worldThat's called low fantasy.
Galaxias could've been a big hit if it kept everything from its one-shot instead of becoming a yume-pandering fairy tail rip-off
>>288177892I don't even like mecha, but if they started cranking out a ton of new mecha, I'd be glad. Teach a new generation of animators in actual mechanics. If they started doing that, I'd probably start to watch mecha.
bring back chuuni urban fantasy series
>>288178568Dude, JJK and KNY made so much money they literally have a 10 years cushion
I was going to say "Good riddance" but something just as annoying will replace it.Just like how Battle Harems died out to be replaced by Isekai.
>>288173419It only took them more than 10 years to see that lol
>>288174250Why Ado's book is there?
>>288178735>but pretending the isekai boom didn't spread from itI don't think that happen. There were already a bunch of isekai before SAO got popular
>>288178393>No one even reads the manga despite it being far better than Reiji's main workIt's not better than Kanokari thoughThe art is worse, at first it seemed better but really it was more basic and then went to shit when MC didn't get angry when his blue haired nerd sister got molested in front of his eyesSomebody needs to bitchslap Reiji so that he stops being a hipster moron and write like a normal human beingThis is coming from somebody who read Kanokari since it came outKanokari is trash obviously, but although I haven't read Shiunji on a while it was worse than Kanokari considering Shiunji is an irregular series that gets drawn by his assistant
>>288173419Scientists discover water is wet.
>>288178518Nah, he's right desuShiunji figures seem suspiciousShiunji is an irregular seriesKanokari I would understand
>>288178806Mecha relies heavily on toy sales and robot toys aren't extremely popular these days.Also even if mecha made a revival it'd be done with CG.
>>288178755Date A Live is the only one still relevant
>>288178699>>288178775>The editors are there to keep the authors in check and give them a second opinion so that they don't get lost in their own head.Our girl got the best editor, "isekai? Battle Harem? GIRRRRL just go make your Shoujo in our Seinen magazine"
>>288178908There were light novels before Haruhi too. There were battle harems before Infinite Stratos. That doesn't mean they didn't respectively contribute to the LN boom and the battle harem boom.
>>288178509Isekai is big because it's about the protagonist getting a second chance at life where they are successful without effort, are in an unexplored world where every day is exciting and things go well for them. If you can present a better formula to the average viewer (salarymen who wish to escape their life) or atleast make it wear a different coat, then you can get a change.
>>288173524“Everyone else stop not us”
>>288173524Short-term thinking, and also their company being infested with retarded investors who don't understand how an entertainment company works. It's not a magical money machine. Dumping more money into "proven formulas" doesn't guarantee you get the same return on every investment. Basically you just have to keep the investor class out of entertainment if you don't want it to suffer, they ruin it every single time.
>>288178941>robot toys aren't extremely popular these daysNot true when they're well made like the ones Tomy makes for Transformers Wild and Shinkalion
>>288178775We are gonna watch PEAK in just a few months
>>288178455otaku database animals was on to something, it's been evident for a long time. hell, gacha and vtubers are the basic distillation for people who don't want a story to begin with
>>288178633It's happened plenty of times.
>>288178744>streaming in the dungeonI still don't understand. Like fucking modern day people with phones, streaming to people online, while they're in a dungeon? They have signal down there? How is that a story?
>>288179150>How is that a story?There like 5 series like that
>>288174305Everybody replying to this is an ignoramus, just listing out currently popular trends, not the NEXT popular trend.Guess it proves that it's hard to be a visionary. The lot of you should apply to work at Kadokawa, you're exactly the same kind of trend-following idiot that has nearly run their business into the ground. Just make more of the same slop I'm sure that will magically generate new hits.
>>288178775Nature always has a way of balancing itself. The only question is... what part will we play?
>>288174382>Give me another fucking Kirby anime. The first one they made sucked. It didn't deserve to be 100 episodes.
Here's my pitch. Make every show be about (cute girl) ninjas, fighting against various mythological monsters. Ninjas vs. Mummies. Ninjas vs. Vampires. Ninjas vs. Zombies. Ninjas vs. Tsunchinoko.
>>288179168Name some. I need to see this for myself to properly understand it.
>>288178518Okay, but who the fuck is spending money on Shiunji-ke? Did the blurays just sell incredibly well? The manga is apparently not even a blip on the sales metric. How does an anime sell that will without the manga around an appreciable boost, and with very little in the way of merchandise? That's all I'm curious about. I actually like the manga.
>>288178829Precisely those are tourist mangas that saw an explosion because of the pandemic in 2020, when a lot of casuals came to the medium and just as they came they left. In reality the shonen jump sales have been declining for over a decade and now they're a shadow of their former self. Their sales are all time low and all the astroturfed FOTM is over. But the best is yet to come because One Piece end is getting closer and that is the last bastion of the hardcore otaku audience before the hordes of casuals invaded the medium.
>>288178775Good editors ALSO recognize a legitimate gem when they see one, and will do their best to help the artist responsible find recognition and success.
>>288179387so far the only one to get an anime is also the Ur Shoelacer, Aparida
>>288179505>one piece>hardcore otaku audienceFUCKING KEKThe real otaku genres are ecchi, harem, isekai and OP mc shit.
>>288179552ecchi, harem, isekai, romance, rom com, slice of life, drama are all otakuKadokawa went all in on what otaku like and yet the otaku didn't show up
Battle Harem bros. Is it our time again?
>>288179705No because WHY DOES HE GET GIRLS AND NOT ME?MARY SUESELF INSERTPOWER FANTASYI HATE ALL MEN
>>288179193I think that there's rumblings of a popular trend of, how to put it, "tourist-friendly series?"By which I mean series that ape off of existing media of some sort to get prestige but that are designed for non-fans of said media. It lets normalfags get something with name recognition but that's catered to them and doesn't have the baggage of the parts of the franchise they find unappealing. It's like they can dip their toes into a genre or IP with some degree of history but not need to engage with it on its own terms and not needing to feel compelled to go over a large backlog of content.Technically a lot of Japanese fantasy/isekai slop is already this for Dragon Quest but there's been a steady stream of success in other similar series.For anime I think villainess slop is similar, it uses the framework of otome series except for people who never engage with them. Or series like SSSS Gridman and Tojima which had a fairly noticeable mainstream attention but not much attention from toku fans. And of course there's how "otaku x gal" touches on this, oftentimes the otaku being an otaku barely even matters, and it's really just a romcom with a slight twinge of references to pop culture, right?It'd be very similar to things that are currently popping up here and there, but I think that a new trend could be more explicit connections with the "inspiration" (which is really just being used as an aesthetic) and they might start integrating more IPs.Toho is also trying this with what looks like "HeroAca but with Godzilla" being announced recently.
>>288173419Looks like a win for everyone that likes anime in general.A loss for people that live in the isekai general.I couldn't care less about how it affects kadokawa.There are hundreds of good manga for them to push their LN garbage
>>288179754most of these ln romcoms and isekais are basically tourist-friendly vns in the first place
>>288178637>oh no, the shounenshit magazine that axes everything yet keeps One Piece so it's not like they care about quality is not doing goodyawn
>>288179783You know the trend of having girls doing thing is bad. Maybe the trend of having girls doing other thing will improve things.
>>288174556What do you mean gorilla hoe was the best seller? That show was meh as fuck.
>>288179836Maybe we should have boys do things?
>>288179552One Piece readers ARE hardcore otakus. They're people who got introduced to anime 25 years ago. You don't know this because you're a 15 years old who started to watch anime in 2020 and only cares about culture wars from x with "left vs right" and TikTok aura farming moments. But this won't stop the industry for exploding.
>>288179539Yeah, everyone always recognizes editors as tard wranglers, but said tards (likely) would never have gotten a chance to get published in the first place if they didn't have some amount of talent that could be capitalized on. An editor has to walk the fine line of letting the mangaka express and grow their talent in their own way, but also recognize when he needs to cut in and either suggest some changes or deny some less than quality ideas.
>>288179650>Kadokawa went all inThey didn't.Alot of those anime are not even from kadokawa.
>>288179749Are lesbian femcels a thing? I mean the real kind.
>>288179894No because we hate boys because boys don't sell merch and we are not sexually attracted to boys.Girls sell merch and girls are sexually attractive.
>>288179996Yeah, they even have an insult for lesbians that had a bf before going full lesbians, they're some of the most crab in the bucket kind of people you will ever see.
>>288179996Yes. They're usually yuri subhumans who constantly spout hatred against men and things men like. They can either be lesbian femcels or male cucks.
>>288179996Unfortunately yes, lots of femcels also are usually lesbians and they become femcels because they realize while men want to fuck them, most women do not.
>>288173419Serves them right for barely funding Gamera Rebirth
>>288180020>we are not sexually attracted to boysRight...
>>288179193I mean, generally these things aren't hard to find. Usually before it becomes the big trend in anime, it is probably showing up more than expected already. That's why multiple people are saying villainess and otome isekai because while they're not the biggest trend, they are showing up way more now than in the past. This happened with isekai too but people were still on battle harems
>>288174597>It's not an ideal structure, vulnerable to nepotism and circlejerking but it's better than "democratization" aka pandering to wild animalsI mean naroushit IS circlejerking of the worst kindIt's fanfiction ffs
>>288180481Except naroushit IS the otaku audienceThey are literally writing to the audience that consumes anime and mangaEveryone is rejecting the very foundation of anime and manga right now while also trying to protect the genres that they like
>>288173419I don't get it, do their employees keep getting isekai'd or something?
>>288180481The fact that the anime industry fell to japanese ao3 is a tough pill to swallow
>>288173524that's how short-sighted businessmen work:see that something is succesful -> start spamming more of that shit ad nauseam for more profit -> ignore all the obvious signs that people are getting tired of it -> since you spent all the time spamming the same shit instead of trying to come up with something new, when you realize what's happening you are totally unprepared
>>288180598The fact that the anime industry fell to japanese ao3 is a tough pill to swallow because japanese ao3 isThe best source of new content because the current industry lacks talentThe tightest knit creative and general community circle The actual embodiment of otaku cultureIt's like if comiket ruined the anime industy. But no, comiket is there to tell the pulse of the industry. The current pulse of the industry is girls, gacha that have girls, idolshit which has girls, and whatever flavor of the month series is going on that most likely has girls.It's like if onlyfans took over western entertainment.
>>288180557Well clearly, it's not something working long-term
>>288180782And if that isn't working long term then that means that literally everything we like is the problem because anyone with a brain knows for a fact that """isekai""" is not the problem, it's everything underneath isekai.
>>288173419Does this mean Kamikatsu will NEVER get a continued anime?
>>288173419>51% decrease in profit over last fiscal yearThat should be a new record, that's hilariously bad.That's what you get for chasing trends.
>>288180782Yeah it's otaku fault right? not the incompetent company that doesn't even advertise their most popular and best selling series, not that right?
>>288173419I coulda told you thatIsekai is garbage just look at the state of /a/
>>288174672Nobody watches them retardThe problem is that there is too much of that shit which leads to less options to choose from if you're not into that garbage
>>288180879It's otaku's fault because they literally made otaku centric products.
>>288180873They went beyond chasing trends, they tried to force trends. Any time a series got remotely popular on Narou they'd immediately sign on like 20 adaptations for copycat series hoping it would be the next "isekai boom" of the mid 10s. The result was similar to over-watering a seedling, they flooded the environment and nothing could grow.
we need even more isekai
>>288180908Yeah the state of /a/ with its two isekai threads and the rest is just about girls.
>>288180915>why I am not making millions of dollars by selling otaku cheap anime stamps and pencils?!
>>288180781Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim darkness of the future there is only girlslop
>>288175808>It's what happens when they don't fucking invest in people having kidsThey invest billions yearly on thatThey haven't seen any resultsBecause they refuse to address the real issues:>Japan is a gynocratic simpoid culture where women don't work>Japan is a corporate shithole where it's all about saving face and maintaining backwards traditions over efficiency
ctrl f isekaioh well that answered the question
>>288180557>They are literally writing to the audience that consumes anime and mangaWhich isn't otaku anymore. Manga in general was never "only otaku", it's always had broad demographic appeal in Japan. Anime was dominated by otaku... 20+ years ago. These days anime is a mass media project peddled by and to streaming platforms. They haven't relied on the otaku audience to carry anime in a long time now. Certain anime are still aimed at otaku, but the anime industry is much, much bigger than that, now. More anime are now produced in a single season than were produced in an entire year in the 1990s or early 00s.
>>288173524we're living in a time of the most retarded businessmen on the planet and the least creative generation (zoomers) ever
>>288180989Post to scare an anime fan in denial
>>288181011Depends, a lot of seasonals are very much otaku centric and otakus have grown in size by quite a lot
>>288180817Well no, it's not that isekai is the problem. It's the overflow of narou-kei and putting a lot of the industry in the hands of the equivalent of Ao3 writers that is the problem
>>288180991no, the real reason is because they don't really offer incentives to have kids, and they refuse to talk about that because it's "none of their business"
not the publisher's faultthey are only being brought isekai slopand i bet they'll soon be flooded with ai slop There's no diversity or creativity to be found out there the profits will continue to slide downwards
>>288181121No not really. Otaku's influence on the anime industry has only decreased in the last 10-15 years due to the rise of streaming platforms, which prefer a blander type of product for general audiences. This is because streaming platforms pay pretty good money to secure exclusive rights, or even just first rights to a show, which means anime studios are less dependent on milking every show they make for media and merch sales (which is how Otaku wielded outsize influence on the industry for decades). Now, they can just produce lots of anime and get paid really well by streaming platforms even for subpar, cheaply done work. These new anime committees frequently feature foreign companies with deep pockets who vastly overpay for anime compared to Japanese companies, because even if they're overpaying by Japanese standards it's still cheap compared to domestic productions. America especially is guilty of this. They will happily overpay by a couple million dollars for an anime series because it's still 80% cheaper than funding a cartoon in America, and all American companies care about is that "anime is a popular brand right now", they just want to market "we have anime" on their streaming platform, they don't even care what it is really. I'm not even sure there actually is a real audience for a lot of the anime being made now. I guess there is, but not a very big audience. Everything now is all about mass production and taking advantage of foreign investment, which is why companies like Kadokawa are seeing massive declines in domestic profit. They're ignoring the domestic audiences they've cultivated for years to chase some imaginary global audience based on misread market signals. I think Japan's current corporate leadership is just antiquated and naive, they don't understand how fake and gay the modern economy is. You can't take traditional market signals at face value.
>>288177314>Why is hot garbage like kanokari still relevant?As someone who's read Kanokari since the beginning, Kanokari has never been relevantReiji Miyajima is a talented artist but he is lazy and lacks ambition to make anything great
>>288177784How about making something that looks appealing and isn't an ugly eyesore?You know like the OG Futari wa Pretty Cure which was pretty much all 2D, with beautiful character designs, beautiful backgrounds, good composition, traditional layouts instead of being animated on a CG engine and good storyboarding and voice acting and music
>>288181378>They're ignoring the domestic audiences they've cultivated for yearshow old are these guys now they're dying they're 50+ 60+how old is Anno When they catered to domestic audience with eva anniversary look how that went for them backed down and put it out globally after saying they'd never do it
>>288174799Japanese gacha simply cant compete with chinese, its a losing battle
>>288177653if you already have the latter, why not go the final mile and add the former too?
>>288178033AgreedThere hasn't been a good romcom since Nisekoi no matter how much redditors try to convince themselves Kaguya-sama was goodKomi's new oneshot Iikagen Kizuke has potential though
>>288181092All of this is great when its also fantasy
>>288181656Kaguya-sama was funny and had some heartfelt moments and that's good enough. If it shit the bed later, it doesn't undo the rest of it. Honestly, there are a lot of shit romcoms out there now that I think about it. But surely there are other okay ones.
>>288173419>>288173524Mushoku Tensei as an example is 2nd largest IP in the publication/IP creation category for Kadokawa. Yes an isekai series is second largestSo the issue seems to be what I’ve been saying for years now. MT is a masterpiece and series like that don’t come too often but a good series will always be profitable.Thus it’s necessary to push series based on the author’s writing ability not based on nepotism or various agendas. Of course writers like Rifujin don’t come too often but that doesn’t mean you are obliged to adapt absolute slop.If I’m able to find gems here and there, then I’m sure Kadokawa editors would be able to as well. They correctly mention that they need better filtering. They need authors who can write. For example I think Daken is a mediocre author and overhyped but it sure as hell is better to adapt his series rather than shit like isekai smartphone.Another example is Nageki no Bourei’s author. Also decentish author who has a pretty fun series under his belt and a few other little projects, beats adapting his shit rather than absolute bottom of the barrel stuff.As long as they keep filtering it’s not going to be an issue. Isekai is here to stay of course since they have nothing to replace it but I suspect there will be stricter filtering in the future…or not really kek who knows
>>288178035>Oshi no Ko is the biggest hit Doga Kobo ever had and that by a long shot.Oh pleaseUmaru was bigger than this astroturfed garbage Shueisha pushed to replace Act Age
>>288181679Then you're falling into the romantasy trapWhich brings us back to isekai or science fiction romance
>>288181378There is not a single one of these 'popular anime' that you think is apparently a thing that is only popular internationally and isn't popular in Japan as well
I blame the bad incompetent editors that kadokawa hired that tried to change the web novels into something even dead boomers wouldn't read.
>>288181656>There hasn't been a good romcom since NisekoiNisekoi is trash and more importantly, it has like nearly every problem of Heisei romcom in it. Unfathombly shit opinion.
>>288173419Let's hope this means they will stop publishing and adapting isekai sloppa, shit has been more than overdone already.
>>288181802They won’t. And more importantly they can’t.
>>288181709>Umaru was bigger than thisAnon, please don't be delusional here. You can acknowledge something is successful without liking it. Acting like OnK isn't Dogakobo's biggest show is just ignoring realityI really don't like Tensura. It annoys me that it's the best selling light novel and has a successful anime that isn't stopping any time soon. But I'm not going to pretend it isn't doing those things
How come kadokawa's flagship titles like Re:Zero are doing worse than a forgettable anime like gorilla god girl?
>>288181802>wake up>people refuse to read and post their stupid ideas that have already been proven wrong
>>288181827>And more importantly they can’t.Yes they can? It would take some time but that's literally what they're talking about here. And it's not because otaku can't pick anything else. People used to say they'd never stop making visual novel adaptations because they were so easy and so simple to market to otaku and look where that's at now? How about mecha? That was a foundational genre of anime and was big for two decades. How's it doing now?I honestly feel like people just don't want isekai to fade not because they necessarily really like it but because then people who 'don't like' isekai might be justified even though all trends pass and this is normal for anime.
>>288181802Or at least actually start putting effort into the isekai stories they publish and not just make it another story about an OP protag getting a harem.
>>288181092Inflate the tits more.
>>288181917>wake up>immediately go to 4chanYou deserve better than the life you inflict upon yourself
>>288181937but editor-sama said the story should be exactly like that.
>>288181709oshi no ko is better because IDOLS
>>288181802Sure as soon as long as they stop publishing and adapting romance and cgdct
>>288181937I miss the classic isekai real bad
romcom ain't gonna save this shit fujos
>>288178655>SAO and everybody hopping on the bandwagonStopped reading right here. If you fell for this non-sense that is being repeated by ecelebs despite being verifiably wrong, it shows that you have a very shallow understanding about this issue.
>>288179108Decidedly, otaku are true Latter Day Saints and the protagonists of a fun-things-fun Apocalypse. Nothing evokes the end of the world more than a man sitting at his battlestation, swathed in the KYAAs and ATATATATAs emanating from his logitech speakers, cocooned in the solitary sacrifice of his time, indifferent even to what's happening on X since he expects destruction to come only as the fruit of his own efforts, from exhausting the ejaculate of a body that has in his own eyes become a little girl's. Primitives, when in despair, would commit suicide by careening armor plated bulldozers through town till they could be driven no longer. The otaku commits suicide by starting a thread asking which side of the choco-coronet should be eaten first. His eyes are bloodshot, semen drips from his mouth. Do not reply to him. He will either post a smug anime girl laughing at you or simply carry on posting CRACK SMOKING CHRIST ON A MOPED like a man posessed.
>>288181986Romance is too malleable. It'll never fade. Same with battle shounen. Romcoms and battle shounen are eternal I don't know why you mentioned cgdct thoguh. That genre had its time in the sun and isn't dominant at all anymore.
>>288182013tl;dr
>>288179108nikkefags trying to convince us that nikke has a story will never not be funny
>>288181779Is not even that, if you yourself make a 1000 series that are fighting each other over the same viewership this is going to decrease profit no matter the content, hiring more and more editors or whatever is not going to solve the problem, Kadokawa is just taking all of the wrong choices, and this is assuming we can believe what they are saying to begin with, to me this announcement sounds like PR talk to trick investors that are THAT easy to trick.
>>288182009If you actually read my comment I was trying to say that this wasn't a case of one show being popular. It was that an entire genre could be popular. And I know perfectly well SAO isn't an isekai by definition. But as I said in this thread, acting like the isekai boom didn't spread from it is denying what happened.
>>288182009Please understand, people got mindbroken by kirito being forced to have the true mary sue self insert as a girlfriend while he loses most of his fights and loses to a main antagonist twice. The fact that a girl even looks at a man is enough to set off those retards.
Kadokawa should just make more isekai quartets to promote ALL their isekai at the same time together.
>>288182060Actually if SAO really was just Aincrad, I think most people wouldn't have as much of an issue with it
>>288182022cgdct is pretty eternal too.
>>288181908Because they never did any ad campaigns for re:zero until about 2 months ago.They called pic rel a huge marketing campaign and will now focus on marketing their series more.>dude why are sales down?
>>288181958Doesn't matter which country they come from. Corpos are gonna corpo.
everything is eternal, as long as somebody is making it.
>>288173419Maybe they should focus more on branching out to other stuff so that they're not pumping out so many isekai and narou-kei stuff that they're basically competing with themselves. EZ.
>>288181955Unironically what else to do, or what is the alternative, where do you go?>n-no I mean do something elsePlaying games? That doesn't feel right, I have never play games after waking up in more than 30 years, that's for later.>n-no go watch somethingImmediately? I guess, I will watch some with my breakfast and then just go to work.Other than that I can't think in another option, I used to dedicate more time to my dog but he's no longer here... ;_;
Which isekai this season belongs to kadokawa? And which isekai the next season do as well?
>>288182023Think of it as a synopsis
>>288182134And it will continue to be that way, the only problem here is a company being retarded and taking poor choices, which seems to also be eternal...
>>288182087The problem is aincrad. The tone of the first episode is completely different from the rest of the series.
>>2881785772D not required, CGI mecha can look good too. They just need to stop paying seiyus gorillions and hire decent CG animators with that money. it's not a natural law that these people all end up working in vidya, tv, and what have you.
Surely ITEM will be a success and bring back scifi
>>288182108If you mean 'will they keep making cgdct shows'. Of course. They still make mecha shows. I'm talking about its time being a dominant trend passed
>>288182443>I'm talking about its time being a dominant trend passedFull of doubt.
>>288178228It's called Alice in Wonderland
>>288182489Well it has. It's nowhere near as prevalent as it once was.
Worst thing about isekai is that writers can't even make a proper fantasy setting, just some bastardized MMO-ish garbage.Weird given that actual games don't suffer from cliche storm like that.
>>288178455In fairness this Roxanne is crazy stackedAnd that sounds like a hentai
>>288175011>For a high quality isekai try war on geminar.that was tiresome shit too. Insufferable MC
>>288174981Will Yiff Cafe Princess be animated
>>288182269Urban fantasy is almost totally dead.
>>288182053>But as I said in this thread, acting like the isekai boom didn't spread from it is denying what happened.That's the problem right here. Anyone who thinks that SAO caused the isekai boom just because "it was popular" and initially self-published on the author's own website (not even an aggregator like in case of 99% of isekai) completely disregards very obvious issues with that claim, such as SAO being published on Dengeki Bunko (Weekly Shounen Jump equivalent of LNs at the time) thanks to the author having taken part in a writing contest (one of the most orthodox ways to get into the LN industry as a writer at the time) and creating a personal connection with the biggest-name editor of the entire LN industry at the time (Miki, also editor for Toaru). No one looked at that and thought "wow, so inspiring, I am sure I can replicate that just by talking to some LN editor!" The real beginning of isekai was with Enterbrain. They first picked up the play script of Maouyuu (which ironically isn't actually isekai) from 2ch and made a big deal about it with several manga adaptations along with an anime. The same author then posted Log Horizon on Narou which quickly got turned into a LN and then a two-cour anime. They then picked up Overlord and Youjo Senki for publishing as well and the rest is history. Though both Dengeki Bunko and Enterbrain are Kadokawa subsidiaries so it doesn't change the fact that Kadokawa is responsible for the isekai boom. But early isekai authors seemed to dislike SAO quite a bit so they definitely weren't inspired by it, at most it served as a negative example. Why do you think Log Horizon had such an intense focus on Shiroe explicitly being a support player? Why do you think Overlord starts with the whole bit about "only adults with stable income can join the guild Ainz Ooal Gown"? Why do you think Shield Hero showed the Sword Hero as someone who ditched his party and went around as a retarded solo grinder?
>>288173419It's like the tragedy of the commons system behavior. When something within and industry is very profitable, all players slowly shift to that until the profit edge is destroyed.That they are starting to realize this point has been reached is good overall. Isekai will keep getting made because it prints money, but it won't be the ONLY thing getting made.
>>288182834Dunno, Persona and Index seems to be crazy popular.
>>288174875Hakko?
>>288178899It's more popular than Isekai books.
>>288177993>flop exorcist proves itlol
>>288174980>tfw those good old "IPs">Lodoss>Slayers>Orphen>FMP (not my taste, not into the generic contemporary fantasy/etc stuff, but still, that's an old name)
>>288173419People keep spamming SAO but there were so many more extremely popular isekai series in the past.
kicked out of party into slow life are pretty gud
>>288173633>shoelacer showsalways trash stories (except perhaps Plum Apricot, that one could have made the premise work, but then it proceeded to not be that good, just very edgy).But it gave us that pasta.
>>288182943>Orphen>goodLmao.
>>288182913That's why I said almost, Index and Persona as a whole are over 20 yo at this point, you can count with one hand the new urban fantasy stuff that comes out meanwhile the isekai DQ-esque manga/anime are a fucking ton.
>>288174150>battle haremsretard ess/a/ys used to drop this subgenre's name a lot when trying to argue isekaishit's being bad is actually goodToo bad I didn't save more of those posts.
>>288183046>FlumI finally made it to this page and I agree, but the edge is so dumb and gratuitous I can't help but be entertained
>>288174347Damn, is there anything on the LN market that's not bad or outright shit these days?
>>288182943I feel like it says a lot that something as old as Slayers is still that high up
>>288182834Urban fantasy basically got completely usurped by cyberpunk/urban sci fi.
more harta adaptions plox
>>288182834Because Kadokawa let Index die
>>288174666>Solo Levelingthat fucking franchise, SatanJust the fucking name of the slop says it all, it really rubs me wrong seeing it. It's like it was parody show's name that somebody spent a year devising the capture how wrong and terrible the tastes of the isekaishit animangawhatever market are.
>>288183241Modern writers fucking hate any sort of tech heavy setting.
>>288182879Okay you're talking about it from an LN angle, but I'm talking about after the anime. Like Infinite Stratos was around a while before the anime but there is a before and after Infinite Stratos anime in terms of what it ended up leading to. That's what I am talking about.
>>288173812>>288173831>>288177963>>288173764why are all these people so confidently wrong when they don't know their shit? naroukei is a genre, mostly coupled with isekai about a guy bringing some sort of technology to a different world or just making a name for himself/growing more powerful in a different world.
>>288183146I don't remember a single time where what we consider isekai today was well-received. That first sentence about isekai being greatly received would have made sense if they were talking about classic isekai. As in back when the genre had a much wider range of people into it and not just people who read light novels.
>>288177611>>288178744The protagonist onaholes manga actually did that shit. Man I hated that.
>>288173419We need more isekai grooming, we lack peak from daughter to wife stories
>>288174666Sony is the second biggest shareholder in Kadokawa. They fund shit like Shield Guy and vending machine isekai to put on Crunchyroll
>>288178455That's fucked - if you like the waifus, how can you stand a show that is putting them into a hellish life in isekai dystopy where slaves have to endure being sex toys to creepy teenlords forever with no chance of escape>the slaves are even bound to commit suicide if the MC dies, so that self-inserters don't feel insecurewhat the fuck people, I don't even, get fucked in the ass by a deer, you creeps.
>>288183108yeah, but at least it was still fantasy and not three levels of meta litRPG
>>288179918this is about japan you complete retard
>>288183158I wish it was better handled, because as I said, it actually made the kicked-out-of-party premise work in the initial setup. It made sense, it had that dynamic of being wronged and having to fight, which is a great story starter.But then it just couldn't do the relationship properly, the setting was weird (manga had those completely modern McMansion houses and - may I think that's the moment when my enthusiasm died) and so on.There's another semi-isekai that I think had a great setup idea but then flopped it, pic rel. It was going for yuri but the story would work without it (if written properly), so let's ignore the gay bit. The tall demoness character and her background story had such a potentiall.
>>288183461the screenshot is a post of a isekai thread schizo samefag
Japanese company makes what's proven to work, they lose in the long run.American company makes DEI woke proven not to work they win.Blackrock-sama, how do you do it?
>>288183972>DEI woke proven not to work>they winI think you need to polish your fanfic writing skills to get this published
>>288183798I like how long the hero party has stayed relevant.Once I'm caught up on the novel I want to checkout the manga, but that sounds like its going to ruin the setting in my imagination.
>>288183972more like they got like 6 isekai series that worked and tried to change the entire industry into that
>>288179815You are a moron of courseJump is still the highest selling magazineThat means other mags are selling even worseWe are doomed
>>288178676>BleachLmao that was fujoshit the series
>>288178760So you didn't actually see the lit?When SAO and Conan and Kirby novels of all things are in the top 10 things are looking grim because these are all old series
