>Life can be cruel, unfair, ugly, harsh, painful, brutal, chaotic, exhausting, disappointing, unpredictable, lonely, cold, frustrating, merciless, bitter, overwhelming, unforgiving, complicated, tragic, draining, dark, confusing, relentless, heartbreaking, oppressive, stressful, unfair, volatile, messy, discouraging, ruthless, suffocating, difficult, bleak, empty, sorrowful, hopeless, turbulent, heavy, exhausting, toxic, unjust, miserable, fragile, alarming, unstable, terrifying, deceptive, hollow, noisy, thankless, cruel-hearted, deeply imperfect but worth livingBeautiful show
>>288208008Watch real misery porn and fuck off
>>288208083Seethe contrarian.
>>288208008>file nameReminder to marry and reproduce with cockroach women to create the next generation of cockroaches.
>>288208103Clannad is haremshit made for emos
>>288208282I hope her antennae grow soon.
>>288208282Anal
>>288208008
>>288208893I wish I could take her socks off and lick her stinky feet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p9EuVBEzEY
>>288208083>misery pornClannad is a beautiful show about miracles. You watch it if you want to be happy.
>>288208282>muh cockroachI don't mean to insult anyone but this pattern of oldfags just repeating the same old jokes needs to stop
>>288208808
>>288208008I think you missed the point,OP
>>288209009Nagisa washes her feet carefully and doesn't exert herself physically so she is not stinkyKyou on the other hand...
>>288210528I would wash her feet with my mouth
based Nagisa feet appreciator
I finished rewatching this last night for the first time in years. I don't know why, but I felt profoundly empty afterwards. Every other viewing, I've been really satisfied with it but was fully prepared to move on to something else, but this time I truly didn't want it to be over and was really upset when it was. Maybe I'm just getting sentimental in my old age.
My wife
>>288212482i like the lemons
KIMI DAKI WOOOOOOOOOOOKIMI DAKI WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>288212358Visual Novel is worse for that feeling but it is a bigger commitment. I remember fighting to the death with secondaries back in the day complaining about how AS ended.
>>288209378>asspull magic>miracleYou don't know what the meaning of miracle is.
>>288212545it makes more sense in the vn when it happens because he saved everyone else and got their magic orb thingamafuckers, its like his good actions paid off in the end , in like a weird magic sense
>>288208083Lmao they made an adaptation of that french book, hows it compared to the source?
>>288212545magic is real
>>288212718No magic isnt real! Witches arent real either!
>>288212358なんでやねん
good enough anime with captivating characters,for the most part. Too bad for their designs tho,those eyes kilometers apart are unsettling
>>288212835embrace the moe
>>288212857
Clannad can hit pretty hard these days in a slightly different way.The story has a huge theme of family and community as being the main anchors in person's life and the foundation of a healthy society. Today, these things are fracturing due to how technology has made us detached. Many people have become similiar to how Tomoya was at the start of the story - a cynical asshole who lost purpose in life. Nagisa and her parents became his new family and all the people he helped and befriended became the new community.If we can find a way to heal the foundation, we can solve the main problem plagueing the modern society.
>>288210486Is the point that you can manipulate causality if you gather enough balls
I wish KyoAni put more time and effort into Kotomi's scene when she learned about her parents' deaths.In the VN it's shown how she was hiding around the house while wishing for Tomoya to come and save her, getting tortured by the knocks on the door from the reporters and how she was rationing the food which her mom left for her, because it's the last meal she will ever eat from her.The anime largely moved over it because they had to fit into the episode count, but that made her arc less impactful.
>>288208304Sometimes life is tragic and its unavoidable. Things played out for me more like Clannadman than any other shitty harem anime. Just be thankful it wasn't you because sometimes chains of horrible events just happen and there's nothing you can do about it but suffer, and there's not even any Keymagic to save you. I miss my fiance and my baby boy and want to die every day
>>288212545>parallel world was foreshadowed from episode 1>light orbs appear at the end of each arc in that world>the town "decided" that Nagisa would survive after Akio went into the forest>Yukine's arc explains what will happen>Nagisa subtly explains that they will be happy because the village is one big family where everyone is connectedI think it was quite easy to figure out what happened, even in the anime
>>288214397Jesus christ anon.
>>288212482
>>288213061If retards weren't destroying my entertainment or even quality of life while being insufferable about it, I wouldn't have given in to the evil this much.
>>288213061The sad truth is, there was no foundation. A society that enables happiness and fulfillment has always been fiction.
Yes, Akio is the funniest and most handsome character ever created
>>288215516thisspite is my fuel
>>288215647Based
>>288209289I liked the sad piano version. In fact, I liked the depressiveness of the show/VN. It has to be the best nakige of all time.
>>288215606If there was no foundation then humanity would never create societies. We have it but it's broken.>>288215691And spite is a powerful fuel so how about using it for something productive?
>>288208008Unironically a solid 10/10 show until the asspull time travel bullshit that ruins it.Crazy how such good scenes with him making up with his father and his daughter all got erased because of that shit.
>>288215861The Twilight Zone stuff was always there. Did you really forget it just because it ends and their lives continue?
>>288215861It's still fiction so it has the creative freedom to do stuff which aren't possible in reality and ultimately it's to tell a good story. If the miracle didn't happen then Tomoya would likely commit suicide and the story would become a pure tragedy. It would be realistic but unsatisfying. Plus it's shown in the ending credits that he still makes up with his father and somewhat remembers the previous world so all of what he went through didn't go to waste.
>>288209289Clannad has got to have one of the most beautiful OSTs ever created. Key soundtracks in general tend to be amazing.
>>288215861That's if you think linearly. The robot and Ushio were always there. The idea is that a miracle awaited him after learning that life is worthwhile. The ENTIRE series revolves around this and explains the magic system little by little. That's what makes the series so good; otherwise, it would be mere misery porn. Tomoya realizes that despite suffering, it was all worth it for the good times and "returns" to his life, which is still imperfect but valuable. Basically, the town is a magical entity that made him suffer so he could learn a lesson, since Nagisa's illness was connected to the town.Unironically a level 1 literacy test, the number of people I saw say that impresses me
>>288215861They were never erased; Tomoya remembers. Nagisa dies -> I should never have met her -> Ushio -> Life isn't so bad -> Ushio dies -> Life was worth it -> Miracle. If she had died and that was it, the series would have had to be completely different; erasing all the magic and should extend Ushio's arc. It would be a different series with a very possibly rushed conclusion, leaning towards a somewhat forced tragedy. It was perfect.
>>288208008>dango... dango...;_;
>>288212482>wifeThat's not Sunohara in a dress.
>>288210081I'm not an oldfag I'm just a poser
>>288215347would have taken her virginity in the gym
>>288215861>tragedy that teaches about life>moral of the story: x y z (contained in the story)>tragedy that teaches about life>magic ending>moral of the story: just rely on magic! wtf this writing sucks!What makes some people lose their shit so much over magic endings? It was the same with Takopi. It's like their mind gets completely hijacked by a small wishful fantasy tangent.
>I'm at high risk of dying in childbirth just like my mom?>Lets have a home birth to make sure that if I need surgical intervention I'll dieIts not a tragedy if they didn't do even the most basic steps to try and avoid that fate
>>288216941Her mother gave birth at home without any problems. Nagisa died one winter years later from freezing, but the town revived her. She decides to have her baby at home, and it makes sense. She's a woman who practically never got to decide because of her health and personality. Her husband, although worried, decides to do everything possible to make her happy, and the family doesn't object because of it.
>>288216891In Clannad, the magic made sense and there was foreshadowing from episode 1, plus it has good writing.Takopii was never very well written, and the ending is somewhat contrived because Takopii could have done it earlier; his development is minimal to explain it from his character's perspective. That's why the manga was a meme, because of its silly writing. The anime took a huge leap forward technically, but it's still quite immature emotionally and narratively.
Cool, but I am too busy reading Air (in Japanese, ofc).Eventually I want to get Clannad-pilled too, but it's still a way off.
Keyshit is soulless copy paste crap for subhumans.
>>288216500the real main character
>>288217133Agreed, although it felt forced in the vn. KyoAni polished it with Tomoya saying that they decided for the hospital birth in the end because it was rational, but then the snow storm made it impossible to make it into the hospital when Nagisa entered labor. The snowstorm worked great with how it was connected to the illusionary world.
KyoAnus Clannad is garbage because THAT route was never adapted
Foreshadowing does not make a shitty plot device good.Light magic is shit because it's the equivalent of wanting to have your cake and eat it too. The story should've ended with either Tomoya learning to live on with his daughter or Nagisa not dying at all (thanks to the lights). Using the lights to undo bad endings is just shitty. Kanon 2006 did "magic leads us to the happy ending" way better.
>>288215861yes, that's Maede chikening out.Same stuff happened with Little Busters latter. He had ,uch guts back when he was writing Air. Maybe got too many complaints after.
>>288217540The idea is super simple: Tomoya hates his life and the town -> his loved ones die -> he realizes he did love them -> returns. It's a different kind of writing, here magic is nothing more than a narrative device. It's like saying Tatami Galaxy is garbage because the timeline plot device makes him realize something he wouldn't normally understand. There's a Doraemon episode about this. If Tomoya lived with Ushio, the story would be quite simplistic (plus, all the spiritual background would have to be removed). If Nagisa survived, the protagonist would never have learned the lesson in such a pure way; the reason why the show is good (also another simple magic story). Any argument about the Clannad ending being cheap makes little sense because the whole story is basically that ending and how it recontextualizes everything
>>288215800I do my part in making my enemies miserable
>>288216891magic is goodif you want realism then stop watching anime and go outside you fucking retard
>>288217880And this can result in them having the necessary conditions needed for growth. Thank you for doing your part, anon.
>>288216500shame they didnt give us the real ending where sunohara is his wife, kyoani forgot the best route
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>>288210889>>288216761>>288217174SEX
>>288217440
>>288218573Love her
>>288216500That's a target for Tomoyo's shoe and Kyou's dictionary.
>>288216035Real https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOXW8DDSH9Q&list=PL86E8E3F409C4E7B8&index=4
>life is tragic but worthwhile>and now we magically bring you wife back to life, omedeto!
>>288219815It's already been explained in the thread. Nagisa's eath triggers depression, then Tomoya realize it was worth it even if he suffered, returning to the beginning with lessons learned. It's very typical of Asian coming-of-age stories. A complete cycle. It's like saying Chihiro is a shitty movie because they reverted her parents without Chihiro becoming a powerful mage, or that it's "unrealistic".
>>288219147This one is great. It beautifully highlights that feeling of detachment from your surroundings, contemplating where you are at life and the uncertainty of the future. Just like what Tomoya is going through at the start of the story.Roaring tides, Snowfield and Distant years are also great for how emotional they can get in this aspect.Also I would say that this album made up from some of these songs is pretty overlooked.https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbvwmJlOwUq0XCvMFzoPHgkOQbS38DJUr
>>288218747Whynis she allowed to wear thigh highs in PE
>>288208008No matter what may await, please don't regret meeting Nagisa.Is that too much to ask, /a/nons?
>>288220845Compression of the skin improves blood flow and it's s protection against floor burn.Also this is Japan and it looks good on her.
>>288220845I always thought the bloomers thing was more noticeable, cant complain though i like it
>>288217575>every key VN my waifu is not the main girl>Have to endure losing >finally get around to reading Air>Misuzu is clearly best girl, and since she's the main girl I'll finally win>mfw Air ending
VN hits way harder
>>288208008I prefer Kanon. It somehow feels more honest for what it is (Kyoani misery porn with cute girls being retarded and cute).
>>288221979Society if Kotomi was the main charcter of Clannad and Makoto was the main character of Kanon, i feel that
>>288222428Atleast KyoAni tried to make her more relevant to the story
>>288222586I kind of like how though in the VN the arcs are separate so everyone gets a good ending once and the part of the story where theyre in a relationship but kyoani did do their best ill say
>>288222729I think the anime even surpassed the vn in some ways. By making it into a more chronological and interconnected story, they gave Tomoya and Nagisa the shared group of friends which act as something like their chosen family.
Fuko's route still makes me cry like a bitch.
>>288223053I mean it makes sense in order to connect the story but thats because if they didnt they would have to remove a bunch of things although they did remove that one guy, but even though its super well done, it feels too fast compared to the vn, but thats just how tv works, in a sense you cant 100% adapt a vn because thats just how a vn works
>>288223116I love how she keeps popping up in the anime even after her arc ends so that you (and the characters) don't forget her.
>>288223701
>>288217391I am brown, trans and have fallen on my head down the stairs at birth by the way
>>288224439hitode desu
>>288225211they probably got molested when they were a zygote and cant stand the whimsical joy of others when their wife is cheating on them with a 7 foot tall ethiopian bodybuilder named kalar jafar
>>288225211Cool>>288225519I only let Otou touch my wife. And ONLY if Cuckchad lets him
>>288225621Funny looking at how they cut out the incest route in kanon for the anime, even if there was one with sunohara and mei they would have found a way to remove it (probably)
There is no Nagisa in the real world.
>>288225747Don't be too sure, after playing the game , I realized that I was (unfortunately) a lot like Sunohara, im sure theres an equivalent of nagisa out there, of course its not an easy task but who knows
>>288210889Sexy legs and feet
I enjoyed it at the time, but I guess these days CLANNAD is simply 王道杉.
>>288216035Yeah. People can call Maeda a hack for all I care, and they'd be mostly right when it comes to his writing. But his compositions are next to none.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly5NiKQqJvc
>>288221979
>>288222177Kyoani did a good job though
Gentle reminder that this is the ideal size and shape for boobs.
>>288229859Not flat enough
Do you like women that could kill you (with their thighs)?
>>288230233yummy
>>288230233Her route made me cry so hard when I was 16 and playing it over Christmas break. I've played some amazing VNs since then but nothing has struck the same chord that Clannad did in this scene.
>>288230440that the tourette chick? sure has aged
>>288230440Implying that soulless tiktok whore has anything of value to say, zoomers like this are just spiteful they cant make anything of value in their lives and are the evolutionary equivalent of pondscum, Darwin would hang himself if he saw this
>>288230440Who even is that bitch
>>288230393based tomoyo enjoyer, hows the spin off? i never played it
>>288231063I haven't played it. I also never finished Clannad, Nagisa was my least favorite girl and I refused to do her route.
>>288231188lmao, you said fuck it, the story ends when i want it to end
Imagine coming home and seeing this
>>288225747There's no exact copy of Nagisa, just like there's no exact copy of you, but a girl who comes close is more likely than it looks.
>>288232056
>>288212725
>>288212545Shut the fuck up, Bern.
>>288208282If she were a good roach she'd be able to live past childbirth and not be such a weakling
>>288232860Akio didn't accumulate enough light orbs to bring back Nagisa in a perfect health. Should have helped more people and destroy less windows.
>>288232056>that moment in the VN when Tomoya is smelling Nagisa but she thinks he's looking down her shirt
>>288208008Is part 2 of Clannad worth watching?
>marries nagisa>becomes respectable electrician>gets with tomoyo>becomes trashman
>>288234442You mean After Story? That's the part which broke people the most, but you need to watch the ordinary life of season 1 in order to properly connect with the characters and their lives. This way it makes the second part much more impactful.
>>288234469Those were the days when you could just have no degree or prior experience, approach someone like an electrician, ask them for a job, give them a firm handshake and the next day you were on your way to the job site.
>>288234756When I started trying to find work in 2007 we were firmly in the "you need experience to get experience" era. Almost every simple entry-level job asked for years of experience. If 2004 was different, that's a quick turnaround.
>>288208008Sure man...but could they not have done it in a less boring way?
>>288235590No, the slow burn approach. The "boring" parts are necessary to set up an impactful story so when you look back, you notice all the little things that led up to the end.Also the comedy and drama in each route makes the viewer engaged. If you didn't like even that then I guess it's not right story for you.
>>288235586Well it depends on the country and it's economic situation
>>288209378gao
>>288234442Watching only season 1 of Clannad is like watching only the first half of Steins Gate
>>288235554
>>288230393Playing the Tomoyo route when I was 18 was what motivated me to get the fuck out of the basement and go to university. I saw myself in Tomoya and was terrified.
>>288208008Where in the world is Jun Maeda?
>>288236067
>>288236645He's too scared to come back after the backlash from Charlotte and The Day I Became God and the yuri gacha he's making has provided him a safe haven.
>>288236890Charlotte was fine honestly, yeah the end of the story was whack but its not something so bad he should quit, he needs to come back and rebuild his kingdom
>>288235590What I like about Clannad is that, the slow burn. How the final stretch recontextualizes everything. I agree that some arcs, like Yukine's, are meh, or some characters could have had more relevance, like Tomoyo (this is more because of how it was adapted). It's similar to Tatami Galaxy; some people don't like the first episodes, but if you don't appreciate them, the ending doesn't matter, since it makes everything that came before important.
>>288237651He's a sensitive person, that's part of the reason why he can write emotional stories so well. However this also means that he experiences hate a lot more strongly than what's average. To him it was probably like a nuclear attack on his entire identity.I agree that he should come back but right now it's easier for him to just focus on writing a gacha and having a consistent stream of money rather than trying to pivot back to making VNs in a style which requires the reader spending a lot of time paying attention while in an environment which focuses on fast paced action and a low attention span.
>>288238508Fair enough
>>288208554No antennas here, just sensor disks!
>>288239724pokemon if it was good again
>>288213061Clannad means Family from Dore (Ireland)Clann (Family) A.D., As Dobhair
>>288239801Soul catching was never good, anon, this is the real me, Natu, Xatu, Ho-Oh!
what's the best way to start this?VN then anime? or skip the anime
>>288239943both are great options in my opinion.
>>288239943The anime somehow make the theme feels more consistent, but i like VN pacing more>>288217575At least the happy ending in LB is explainable. I think if the Rin part after you choose "it’s not enough" was longer instead of just cutting straight to the rooftop, the ending would make way more sense
>>2882080086/10
>>288239943I can't believe magic is so weak.https://youtu.be/-anabfAg06UI always start with the anime
>>28824026110/1010/1010/1010/1010/10
>>288240534What's the matter freemason, scared of posting your real harrasment symbols?
do people really have a problem with Clannad's artstyle? I remember when I first saw it in 00s I just thought of it as generic anime style of the time.
>>288239943This is one of the rare cases where you can't really go wrong with either. Not only because it's a great adaptation, but also because it stands well on it's own.However reading the vn first is always the gold standard.
>>288240639The generic artstyle changed so now people see it in a weird light, but I think it's a matter of adaptation. I was also somewhat put off by the artstyle at first but then began to like it over time.
>>288240639A friend of mine has felt a bit hesitant on giving it a shot due to the artstyle. But I gave it a solid recommendation nevertheless and expressed my love for the series.
