Why are the newer generation of mangaka such pussies compared to the old ones? Kubo and Kishimoto basically never took a single week off that wasn't for the entire magazine. And they never had any scribbly chapters either. But it seems every mangaka today ends up imploding into hiatuses and chickenscratch art from burnout, often ending their series far earlier than past series did. Hell, even Oda basically takes every other week off now.
>>288208349Oda has been writing One Piece for longer that many new mangaka have been alive. If nothing else, the guy has earned the right to take breaks.
>>288208349It helps when you don't draw backgrounds at all.
>>288208349cause they all die hella young, sleeping 3-5 hours a night is by definition is not sustainable
Same reason you don't work 16 hour shifts in the coal mines with no break even when someone's legs get crushed by a cave-in. It's called progress.
>>288208349Because after generations of mangaka dying 30 years younger than they were supposed to, publishers realized it's a bad idea to work their authors to the bone.Miura was a wake up call, the one good thing we can take from his passing is this.
>>288208582They still do this in China which is why they're ahead of everyone.
>>288208349>No time to thinkAnd that's why they only made trash.
>>288208602>oneEverything about that was good.
>these magaka that talk about work 16 hour daysHave they thought about gitting gud at drawing instead of being hacks? Then maybe they wouldn't have to work so much.
>>288208349Gotouge>b-but her art is ba..Cope
>>288208624(You)Isn't that what you want, you dirty slut
>>288208602if they are being worked less then why is the quality of the stories and the art of modern mangaka worse?
>>288208709He was a fag, nothing of value was lost.
>>288208349>Kubo and Kishimoto basically never took a single week off that wasn't for the entire magazine.yeah, and look at him now
>>288208798isn't he like fifty
maybe kubo should've taken several years off to learn how to write
>>288208858Out of ten!
>>288208798>48 years oldchrist
>>288208349kurmada has no idea how to draw.
>>288208505It helps if you actually read the manga instead of regurgitating the ancient meme.
>>288209150really cant believe there are so many people on /a/ who read the awful looking digitally coloured version
>>288208349Bleach was dogshit though, so what's your point?
>>288209443its high art compared to what jump puts out these days
>>288208349>every mangaka today ends up imploding into hiatuses and chickenscratch art from burnoutName FIVE(CINCO)
>>288208349Kubo regularly took breaks between arcs.
Please care about bleach...
>>288208680>Dies in a staircase in your path.
>>288208349Kubo barely drew details Hueco Mundo onwards.So there's that.
>>288208704His art is bad, though. He should have taken more drawing classes.
>>288208349Kubo took a LONG time after Aizen's defeat and before the Sternritters shitfest.
>>288209598Hokazono Hokazono Hokazono Hokazono Hokazono
>>288209662Those art classes didn't help Kubo to avoid getting mogged by the might of wani.
>>288208349Kubo may not have been a pussy when it comes to work ethic but he was a still a pussy pushover caving to the demands of editor san and his bankai (fujo support) when it comes to story stuff.I'm supposed to believe Byakuya survived this.
>>288209598Gege(his art was always bad but became worse somehow)OdaTogashi since forever Yuki TabataIshidaThe author of Ruri The authors of World's End harem spin off(the art didn't suffer thankfully)And many others which I don't feel like remembering.
>>288208349It's almost like that's completely unhealthy and is not good for both the author and the series itself. Are we forgetting the last arc of Bleach was so rushed because Kubo was killing himself to finish the series? I'll take a few more breaks a year if it means a better series and healthier mangaka.
>>288209809>All Jump(Shueisha)More like the company is the problem here.
The shit working conditions at jump are why Kubo and Kishi will never do weekly series again, retard. They've both said this multiple times.
>>288209685Sure, but that doesn't make the artist's art not bad. They should have still taken drawing classes.
>>288208349The problem is you read shounenshit.
they should all take breaks during like japanese high school exam times or something. It would be a good excuse for everyone involved to take some time off.
Mangaka can get pregnant too you know
>>288209662>His
>>288208349osamu nishi does the same and she has 2 concurrent weekly manga
>hahahahaZoomer authors don't want to be publisher corporate slave salaryman>hahahaha
>>288209693one piece is still the worst with characters obviously dying then being revealed as alive
>>288209609In fact, didn't he take a 3 month vacation before the beginning TYBW?
>>288208602I don't think Miura was a wake-up call, if he only released a new chapter once in a blue moon
>>288209809>Yuki Tabatait's not his fault his wife, daughter and dog keep getting sick
>>288209609>>288212824All authors take breaks between arcs to prep for it. He never just took random hiatuses for health reasons though like so many do today. One Piece is basically a bi-weekly series now.
>>288208349The past generations were built different.
>>288208505But thats assistans' work
>>288208349>Why are the newer generation of mangaka such pussies compared to the old ones?I'm looking at you Fujimoto
>>288213516Fujimoto is soft even by new generation standards. Hope he got his bag at least because I don't think he's hitting the jackpot again
>>288208349>Why are the newer generation of mangaka such pussiesI thought Hiatus x Hiatus was from that era? Guess you learn something new everyday
>>288211511Wasn't there that romance manga where it got incredibly horny 2-3 weeks before the mangaka got pregnant...both times?
>>288208349>Why are the newer generation of mangaka such pussies compared to the old ones?I know you mean how there's a huge contrast between old vs new mangakas in terms of what were the levels of dedication they had for their stories.However, don't let this blind you into thinking older mangakas had it easy. A lot of them, especially from older generations than Kubo's had it rough.Tetsuo Hara, Kouji Manki, Yudetamago and Hiramatsu Shinji are four mangakas that had the dedication but also had different outcomes to their career that did not leave them unscathedI highly recommend to read these autobiography series since they do give a better insight on what was it like fighting against Shonen Jump to keep your manga alive, and often times failinghttps://assortedscans.com/reader/series-axed/
>>288208349>he thinks slaving away your entire life is a good thing
Those are two terrible writers that can only write slop. It doesn't even have anything to do with their genres being shonen. They've figured out a working formula to perpetually write AI generated-tier slop many people liked it because they haven't seen much of those back in the good old days and that's it.You're not a good writer just because you can perpetually write slop 24/7. Actual art takes time and is a rare sight
>>288208606No, they don't. Not anywhere near as much as they used to.
>>288208349Kubo? Should have used Akimoto/Kochikame as the exampleNo breaks or 40 years>>288208478Oda takes breaks because he fucked his eyes up from too much smokingHiro Mashima has been active for almost as long as Oda and at various points did multiple manga series at once, and yet he produces much better cleaner art than Nu-Oda's messy crap
>>288208349>Why are the newer generation of mangaka such pussies compared to the old ones?They were influenced by Togashi
>>288214504You realize that Mizuki Shigeru runs rings around the amateurs of today right?He produced so many series, and without digital tools too.
>>288215792The stories are great and most likely have positively impacted the world more than your entire bloodline ever will But yeah whatever cracker their “slop” you can’t help discuss on a Chinese forum haha
>>288208602>Miura was a wake up callMoronMiura had an illnessWhich is why Berserk had a long hiatus
>>288209679at least he can make great spreads when he feels like putting effort in it.not a fan of dorito chihiro tho.
>>288208680Toriyama did work like crazy in the 1st 3 years of Dr. Slump though6 days a weekAnd he didn't know that other mangaka who were doing 2-3 series at once for example had whole teams, he only had 1 assistant and had to rely on his wife and earlier on in some of his family like his mom and his little sister to fill in the hair with black and other minor stuff like that.He also said that once he worked so hard that he only had 20 minutes of sleep the whole week, only for Torishima to reject his manuscriptThis is the video where talks about this stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y42oRITnDMg
>>288208798He looks like a typical Japanese manNot everyone can be a vampire like Araki
>>288209598>RumikoHoly cherrypickRumiko is pre-Toriyama generationBack then manga usually had shit art
>>288212824I don't even remember thatThat had to have been the only one>>288213047>All authors take breaks between arcs to prep for itToriyama never did apart from one when a rat got into his houseI don't remember Kubo taking a break I also don't remember Kishimoto taking breaks between arcs eitherNow maybe Kishi and Kubo took one week here and there but I don't really remember them so they must have been really rare
>>288209961Or maybe he only listed Jump examples because that's mostly what he readsOther magazines have the exact same problem or even worseBut yeah sure, it doesn't help that Jump recruits hacks nowadays
>>288210109BullshitKishimoto tried but Sam8 floppedTruth is that they don't have it in themselves anymore, 15 years is the most they could doNothing is stopping Kishi or Kubo to join the same magazine as Araki and do a monthly series for example
>>288211414>Waaaaaaaaaah muh shounenshit boogeymanKill yourself already
>>288211899Creating manga is nothing like being a salarymanTo create art you have to suffer for itBut the reward is worth itSalaryman is just a dead end job
>>288213516>>288213541He also can't draw for shit, but he has a cult-like audience like Togashi
>>288215792Shonen is not a genre
>Saying this when HIATUS X HIATUS was not a new phenomenon for Togashi
>>288209150>12 examples out of 700 chaptersWow, really showed us, huh? Meanwhile I took a random chapter and this is the most complex I can find. We've read Bleach. Kubo put a lot of focus on the characters, which is very notable elsewhere. It's not like he can't draw backgrounds. He decided not to in many cases.
>>288216118The only things Kishi arguably had that he lost later on were edge and style, along with an editor that vetoed his worst ideas. He was extremely lucky that Nardo became the phenomenon it did, so that when those elements were lost, he was able to coast by on sheer momentum and sunk cost. Absent those, it's no wonder he completely failed to get another project off the ground.
>>288216252Hackmoto's career is a fucking crime when compared to better struggling authors.
>>288216252The biggest thing he lost is his drawing abilityHe simplified his art and it became ugly and flat
>>288216213NtaThe page you posted has Topaz applied all over it smudging all the linePutting that aside, drawing the backgrounds is the assistant's jobKubo didn't use backgrounds much for stylistic reasonsThe problem with Kubo is that he got worse with making a good looking background-less manga as time went on, he was better earlier onIf you go look at many old classic manga from the golden era of the 80s and 90s, they also often didn't have much backgroundsThey looked good though, because the artists knew how to make them look goodThe same goes for most of Bleach, understandably though Kubo got worse at it with age
>>288209150cherrypicked and a lot of early bleach
>>288212971You need to stop with this, you can't be sick for like what was it at this point 4-5 years straight? The sick excuse applied for the first two years maybe, he and his wife had already recovered a while ago.
>>288215792If you have an issue with slop you shouldn't be reading manga to begin with because that's all you will ever get on a schedule produced by people who do not know if what they are making going to survive longer than half a year if even that
>>288216102>Other magazines have the exact same problem or even worseOther mags run a higher volume of serialization so they can rotate to give mangaka break though.
>>288213047Kubo was amazingly bad with planning, though.Especially towards the end where he stretched all the individual fights to the point they were impossibly boring while wrapping up the final fight in a quick sucker punch because he couldn't even be bothered at that point.Do you think that Guenael being a fakeout was organic storytelling and not just Kubo randomly deciding he had a better idea for V?Have you ever noticed that the placement of the flashback about Ichigo's parents was odd and involved instantly teleporting to Karakura from a location that supposedly takes several hours to reach from soul society? Kubo probably forgot he was supposed to tell that story earlier.
>>288208349Kubo is the very epitome of scribbly art.Scribbly art, hyper angular art, edginess, and ugliness above all else.That's why most new shonen fucking suck because they all look the same. There is no appeal with the character designs.
>>288216353He started having a lot of breaks later on with age and he got health issues too one of the reasons the last arc was a fiasco was because his health was shit and he started rushing through everything
>>288208349they began to understannd that breaks are necessary to come up with a good story. lmao
>>288216870Bro, WSM literally reruns random Nanatsu no Taizai or Fairy Tail chapters to meet the page counts these days
>>288217211>Kubo is the very epitome of scribbly art.Are you fucking retarded?Togashi's doodles(before redraws) are scribbly art
>>288217260Bleach was axed and they told Kubo to end it in 5 chaptersKubo said he had material for 10 years originally
>>288217197>while wrapping up the final fight in a quick sucker punch because he couldn't even be bothered at that point.It was axed and told to end in 5 weeks that's whyMany things weren't wrapped up at all
>>288208349Why is it so stressful to do this dont they have a team of people and a crew to get this done. 20 pages for a weekly chapter 5 pages 5 days a week monday through friday ?? on a 10 hour shift 6am - 4pm >the managa artists suffer illness from sleep deprivation due to work hours.
>>288218576>20 pages for a weekly chapter 5 pages 5 days a week monday through friday ?? >10 hour shift 6am - 4pm
>>288208349Kubo was shit, and all he had to do is copy someone else's homework.
>>288216149Yeah, his fans treat him like he is the second coming of Christ, when in reality the guy is average
