Volume 55The Great War BeginsChapter 518: Battle of the Commando Units!!https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/274143504Previous thread:>>288345238
>>288364935Does this qualify as a blitz?
>>288364917>80 seconds lateGood grief!
>>288364957But...this seems like such a simple thing to do.
>>288365166Who doing the blitzing? The Kumo? Nah
>>288365018>More Fire Jutsu jobbing
>>288365074More like Soi amirite?
>>288365168>Sai teleports behind them without an explanation
>>288365098How does Deidara even know that?
B&W
>>288365186...then why didn't you do it?
>>288365098Why is Deidara glazing Sasuke? How does he even know who Sai is, much less that he took Sai's spot on Team 7?
>>288365203>SAKONED>>288365214Why not? He was too fast for Deidara to notice what happened.
>>288365301The good guys didn’t have a giant snake to hide in
>>288365219>>288365246Excuse me? How did that work?
>>288365120Didn't the Mist do the exact same fucking thing, and it was very clearly stupid as shit and ended up destabilizing the village(alongside a bunch of other shit, to be fair.).
>>288365219>>288365246Does this imply Tobirama and Hashi wanted to beat the shit out of Hiruzen?Because those two had to be sealed back.
>>288365332>Why not? He was too fast for Deidara to notice what happened.It was more of a sleight of hand strike. Deidara wasn't on guard and he identified what the move was. It was just unexpected.
>>288365186Why do they struggle to fight against Akatsuki until now
>>288365425Doesn't seem different than what Shika did on Hidan.
>>288365441Well for Sasori at least he's weak as fuck without his puppets and his own bodyDeidara should still be wiping the floor with the entire enemy squad though
>>288364921>THIS IS WARi can;t unsee it now, literally every chapter someone reminds us that this is a totally serious WAR happening with REAL STAKES and DEATH
>>288364957Kankuro you cocky fucker.. Prime Sasori still owns you
Done!
>>288365749thanks, OP!
Did Deidara forgot how to infiltrate and fight?
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>>288365098>>288365120Deidara is just playing around with this dumb edotensei bomb gimmick and constantly shit talking Sai instead of attacking.. If he actually wanted to win he'd be spamming his clay like he was in Storm 2Maybe Deidara doesn't actually care about winning the war or maybe it's just a fail on Kishi's part to forget how strong Deidara is
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>>288365749>>288365722>>288365271>>288365246Arigatou, OP!
>>288365787This is why using edo tensei for this shit is retarded, he has to be downgraded as fuck. Realistically he should just be flying above and carpet bombing everyone to hell and since their bodies can’t die he doesn’t even have to worry about hurting his allies. This can only be explained by him being overconfident in their strength difference, but really he’s just retarded as is Kishi.
>>288364957>>288364969>I'm better than you now Sasori!>pulls out Sasori's puppetKind of lame Kankuro.
>>288365168How did this speed blitz work? God these chapters are horrible. Just cheap emotional reconciliation that feels so forced.
>>288365219>Your drawing has undone the bindings on my soul...Laying it on a little bit thick there, Kishi. And it happens so quickly that he's gone the next page >>288365246.. Too rushed.
>>288365959Man I loved this fight. The animation when he's fighting those clay creatures in close combat is so coolSo nerfed in war arc
I really want to have sex with him, and I really want all that inside me I want him to take me and love me, his eyes are so so pretty.
>>288364997Is that guy's name literally Kiri, as in the same name as the Mist village? Or is Kankuro just being an asshole to this guy and calls him by his home village while he calls everyone else by their real name? I can't tell.
>thousands of ninjas should ve died by Deidara bombing, and those survived will get killed by Sasori's 100 puppets>but no Sai and Kankuro casually wrecked themKishi should just offscreened them instead of making them lose like this
>>288366126saucegay
>>288365098>Deidara glazing Sasuke>Deidara knowing Sai is supposed to be Sasuke's replacement in team 7What the fuck is this, lmfao
>>288365120Is the story seriously trying to act as if anyone still gives a shit about Sai at this point?
>>288365168Gaaaaayyyyyyy
>>288365145>draws super saiyan 3 Goku
>>288365145OH FUCK WATCH OUT HES GOT A PAINTBRUSH
>>288365332>>SAKONEDHide the children!
Again can the war last for 1 fucking week?Deidara and Sasori got fucked 15 mins after the war started.They shouldve caused more damage.
>>288366145Deidara refuses to blast them away because he's a chuuni retard that talks too much and Kabuto trusted him too muchSasori got his entire moveset looted by Kankuro, IDK why they even bothered reviving him
>>288366192>Deidara knowing Sai is supposed to be Sasuke's replacement in team 7Deidara has extensive knowledge on all things even slightly pertaining to Sasuke and Itachi
>>288366145I don't get why Kabuto (Kishi) paired Sasori and Deidara up when their styles don't mesh.I know why because they are a pair, but in universe they work against each other.Deidara should be high in the sky out of reach raining terror on the allience. His team mates should be capable of protecting him while he flies and proved extra ammo. Maybe someone who can summon more clay for him.Sasori lacks his puppets, but can gather downed shinobi to and get "live" puppets that deal psychological damage. With Deidara around, a lot of shinobi will be left blown up and unusable. Deidara doesn't need suicide bombers when he has heat seeking dragons and mist that atomizes anyone it touches.Sasori should be part of a grounded troop where they incapacitate people and add them to Sasori's "puppet" armyOh who am I kidding THIS IS WAR
Did you guys know that WAR is bad?
>>288365246I really don't get how the brother's reanimation got undone. Did he get so happy to see Sai's drawing that he went back to the other world or something?
>>288366353>Did he get so happy to see Sai's drawing that he went back to the other world or something?Yes. We see more of this nonsense next chapter with Sasori. It's more that they have nothing tying them to that world anymore and they can move on peacefully.
>>288366351Yes. WAR arc is bad
>>288366353Sai's drawing created a massive emotional response / cleared up any regret he died with which allowed his soul to pass on in peace
>>288366353>>288366402I guess that's why we don't see much of Hizashi, i guess hearing his son is ok undid the jutsu.
>>288366306He's such a tsun
>>288366310Would it have made more sense for Sasori to be paired with Hidan? His puppets could get the enemy's blood for him and there wouldn't be the danger of Hidan accidentally using Sasori's blood.
>>288366436Why didn't they try this shit against Madara?>>288366477No can do, Hidan can't leave the deer fields.
>>288366310If Kishi weren't a bad writer, Deidara by himself would be one of Tobi's wincons. A full dozen or so chapters could've been spent trying to sever the Reanimation jutsu on him specifically because of how devastating a nuke that can walk, think, and continuously explode would be in terms of, y'know, actual war. The fact he gets wrapped up in the span of two chapters at the start of the war by a jobber squad is just infuriating.
>>288366503>No can do, Hidan can't leave the deer fieldsMy bad, I was talking about them as living Akatsuki members.
>>288365539>>288365565>>288365594>>288365607>>288365636This sequence is so bad. Sai should not be able to paint out his drawings and suddenly teleport behind them, and what are the chances Sai's brother would be in this squad when it seems like his only purpose is to be a suicide bomber. Did Kabuto know Sai would be there to utilize his "brother" this way? What a shitty start to this WAR.
where is the ai anon that can make ai images exactly like Kishimoto's art ?
>>288366554Fuck off
>>288366554the real one or the fake one ?
>>288366510If Kishi were to make Deidara more relevant in the war he'd just do this >>288351333 and have Deidara die again upon blowing himself.Ignore that Sai's brother regenerated from the explosion though i guess it wasn't strong enough.
>>288366503Probably because Madara only cares about his plan (and maybe fighting Hashirama) and doesn't really have any regrets that can be taken advantage of. He doesn't have any deep emotional connections to any of the allied shinobi
>>288366552Had it not been his brother, the squad would've to restrain him since he'd try to free Deidara and Sasori.
>>288366310I wonder if it was Kabuto who screwed over Deidara because he commanded him to make traps specifically.
>>288366477Maybe. Hidan would be strong as an edo, but his ritual kinda sucks in a warzone. Too much chaos and it takes a minute to do. In a 1v1 you'd have to run away always.
>>288364945>Sasori getting caught off guard by his own axe technique>>288364957>Both smashing into each other like in a freaking looney tunes sketch>>288364997>Deidara doing absolutely nothing except flying on that stupid owl>>288365186>Both getting smacked from behind and immediately retrained after. God I hate this arc so much for downplaying all the cool previous villains.
>>288366545Sasori being paired with Hidan would not allow Shikamaru to win.That's just an unwinnable scenario.
>>288366590whoever did it originally, I just want a request for something pic related in that format I am not here for goon material.
>>288364957Remember when Deidara singlehandedly took down Gaara?
>>288366666Kabuto could have bought to life the 'mosquito Hidan' tech with some edo-tensei'd Aburame clan and Hidan
>>288366666>>288366477Hidan should've been on an assassination job with a bunch of Zetsus to take down the Daimyo. All it takes is just one drop of blood on any of them and they're just fucked.
>>288366726Kakashi wearing a black flag shirt is hilarious
You know what this thread needs. A dedicated milker.
>>288364921ARIGATO, OUR LEADER!
>>288365074>Leaves to get reinforecementsUhm, he's still being controlled by someone who oversees everything right? So he doesn't really need to physically meet up with reinforcements...
Ai anon please makes more Narusaku content please do it for my sanity and wellbeing.
>First fight is over and the thread is already dunking on the cracksWhat chapter will finally break this daily?
AI anon please generate Sakura eating Inos ass while Ino tells her to eat her dirty shitter like the disgusting slut that she is. Thank you very much in advance.
>>288366852This daily has been on zombie mode for months now
>>288366852I'm still betting on the Gold and Silver brothers. Maybe the Shika/Chouji fight against Asuma,just for the fucking salty runback of /ourguy/ Shikamaru amazing everyone with his galaxy brain tactics. Or the fact Kishi tries once again to make us care about his walking fat joke.
>>288366852>>288366911I see far more engagement with this chapter's fight than there was for the previous chapters of Naruto's training on that island.
>>288365360>>288365246>>288366353>>288365219ghostly things generally work like that, they're stuck in the world of the living because of some grudge or unfinished businessnot sure if this case has something to do with buddhism and attachments though
>>288366503>Why didn't they try this shit against Madara?their soul-brother feud was finished with the final duel
Here's how I rewrite the war>1st day: commando team attack Akatsuki base, get bombed to shit. Only Sai, Omoi and Kankuro survived>2nd day: battle on the beach, Kakuzu wrecks everyone. On land, 7 swordmen, Haku, Hanzo, Chiyo, Kimimaro,etc enter>3rd day: Rain and Sound under command of Leaf ninjas like Sakumo, Hizashi, Dan, Asuma, Hayate, etc pull a surprise attack on Land of Fire. Morality conflict rises >4th day: Nagato and Itachi destroyed everyone on their way and aim at the HQ. Shino fought Foo who intended to use biology weapon. At night, zetsus start the killings>5th day: The allies got exhausted because of the zetsus. Battle on Land of fire ended with Asuma beaten by Kurenai (let her shine for once), Yugao beat Hayate (to tie her loose end), Neji beat Hizashi, etc. The Rain surrender and provide info about Tobi's weakness>6th day:Kabuto start using his strongest zombies, the old kages and KinGin bros. KinGin nuked everyone with bijuu bombs and got sealed like the canonThe rest of 6th day and 7th day proceed same as canon but no Kaguya, Madara is final boss. More deaths. Also most of the zombies are still active until Solo king deactivated edo tensei.
Something that I don't get about this war:So do all he other village that aren't part of the 5 main nations like Rain, Grass etc. just don't give a shit about this war that could possibly result in the end of the world? Why aren't they helping out against this guy who wants to imprison literally everyone in a giant tree?
>>288365246>>288365219>dude just pass on lmaoThey don't need ninjas they need exorcists.
>>288364917most the later covers are kinda lame. this isn't much better than the one with the rainbow.>>288365907well, technically he is now if he stole sasori's weapons. being a ninja is all about cutthroat tactics and i think kankuro did quite well.>>288366730that was back when he had some smarts. dying and getting renimated did a number on his mind.
>>288367039Because most villages dont have a proper shinobi village. They have a clan village or if its a hidden village then its either severaly cut down from the previous wars, extremely weak and only useful for local defense or plainly too caught up in local politics to give a fuck what 80k soldiers of the 5 biggest bullies they have in their world are doing against some dude claiming to want to destroy the world.
What's the reason for keeping Deidara's brash and cocky personality? There is only a handful of edo's that have deep connections to people on the allience's side.
>>288366974Woah there, anon.. That 5th day has a lot (2 whole fights!) of women actually doing things.
>>288365907It was always lame that Kankuro never made his own puppets.
>>288367228It was a huge missed opportunity that Kankuro didn't turn Sakon and Ukon into his own puppets.
i know it's joked about sometimes, "gaara doesn't have eyebrows!" but he'd look worse with eyebrows.his design draws attention to 2 areas on his face, his black eye marks/eyebags and his tattoo/scar.eyebrows would just be a 3rd thing fighting for attention and drawing attention away from the other 2 more important design choices.not having eyebrows makes him look more offputting too.
>>288367266yeah
>>288363217She might've done exactly >>288361340 that if she got to land a hit, we genuinely don't know what her twin lion jutsu does.>>288360851Kishimoto's avoidance of anything that could make Hinata a more fleshed out character needs to be studied. Even then, The Last writers could've made Naruto and Hinata bond over not having mothers in their life or shown Hiashi missing his wife or we could've found out something, anything about Hinata's mom.
>>288364935 This is bullshit and i hate it. Why couldn't the Hyuga have freed himself with some chakra points jutsu?
>>288366911it dies down after a couple hours but it's active when the chapter first gets posted and there's something to discuss and shit on.
>>288367228gaara should've stayed dead and kankuro should've made him into a puppet.
>>288367373Only Neji and Hiashi are allowed to know their clan stuff in depth because idk they've trained the junior branch members wrong as a joke.
>>288367419That would have been awesome
>>288367193he's annoying.
>>288367255Ngl, that would've been cool.
>>288367373Rotation and variants are hard techniques and obviously only taught to the main branch.
>>288367255Their kekkei genkai would've been busted as puppets, the only weakness it had was self-harm and now you don't have that if they aren't actual living beings anymore.
>>288366936But the engagement in question is just people complaining the chapter is bad.
kankuro is one of those characters that would be a lot more busted if kishi wrote him smartly.
>Alt Naruto story>Nagato didn't kill himself or got TnJ by Naruto, his goal remains unchanged even if he understands Naruto>He moves on with his goal of peace>Declares great Ninja war and declares himself the enemy of the Shinobi world.>He lost his paths at the Konoha invasion, but for the war he raises his fallen comrades as his new Paths of Pain>Deidara the Deva Path>Itachi the Animal Path>Kisame the Preta Path>Sasori the Naraka Path>Kakuzu the Human Path>Hidan the Asura Path
if gaara stayed dead who'd become kazekage? i don't take the shitty novels as canon so you don't have to be limited to just temari and kankuro.though either would probably be okay. kankuro got a lot more serious after gaara stopped bullying him. he used to be more of a comic relief character. but he gets angry too easily so maybe temari would be better.or if neither, baki could probably fill in and then they could've done something with this nothing character.but neither of these characters are saving sasuke from the raikage.
>>288367719I would have preferred if he was the one that defeated alive Sasori. Where Sasori fights but survives the first arc. Chiyo still dies but maybe she hands Kankuro her puppet knowledge. For the first time in his life Kankuro creates his own puppet, specifically designed to defeat Sasori. Something like that.
holy shit this fight is actually fucking terrible. it's genuinely worse than a 'what if' fan animation. they're written like caricatures, with deidara blabbing randomly about sasuke, the forced inclusion of sai's brother, and sasori just repeating past talking points. seriously, why was sai's brother even a part of this fight? he's completely unrelated to the two akatsuki it's just odd. the fight writing itself is shit too>>288364945>>288364957sasori comedically falling into a giant pit and landing on top of deidara like a bad comedy gig>>288365168how does this even work, are they not staring right at him? was it like an ink clone or something? this entire thing reads like a poorly written fanfiction. it's just so bad all around
Hiashi won.
>>288367867that arc in general would've been better if either kankuro or temari got to tag along. or both.
How would the story change is Naruto and Sasuke got replaced by "Stone Cold" Steve Austin and Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson?
What was the reaction to this chapter when it first came out? Did people genuinely enjoy seeing both Deidara and Sasori be treated like comic relief characters? Did anyone even care about Sai anymore?
>>288367882>sasori just repeating past talking points.that tends to be a problem when you bring back past villains
>>288367826Baki works in the short run, but later I can't see him leading the allience and fighting madara. Kankuro would be my pick. Baki can fill the spot of the second body guard. Or we invent a new character.Kankuro would also have to level up for the war arc.
>>288367936It'd be a lot less gay. Even if the characters were in speedos the entire time.
>>288367956>treated like comic relief characters? Did anyone eveni for one, didn't. the war arc in general feels like a weird comedy when naruto previously was a pretty gritty story. i mean it had joke techniques like the sexy jutsu, a thousand years of death, etc but those were mostly restricted to certain characters. in the war arc every character is comic relief. every scene is comic relief.the biggest offender is the rasa scene but it's also weirdly portrayed as trying to be dramatic or something and the whole thing feels off. i can't take any of this shit seriously.then there's the oil mizukage commenting on gaara's lack of eyebrows making him cool because "he's just like me fr!"then there's the poop joke of wondering what pooping feels like. the entire thing just feels weird.>>288368210he already kinda did level up. plus he could use a gaara puppet unless that would be too emotional for him.
>>288368269>he already kinda did level up. plus he could use a gaara puppet unless that would be too emotional for him.That would work, and it being emotional just makes it better. Even Kishi can do lots of heart pulling stuff with a puppet Gaara.
>>288368225Ah, just like Kinnikuman
>>288368269>the war arc in general feels like a weird comedyit's gonna get even worse when they fight the mizukage kek
>>288364917>Two Akatsuki folded in two chapters>You're supposed to get hyped for Zabuza and Haku fighting our heroesIt's like a comedy fighting manga I know. Maybe I've "got it all wrong" and this is a comedy manga
>>288368577You have finally "arrived", anon. Well done.
>>288366477Hidan matches perfectly with Kakuzu and Sasori uses poisons that would already kill people when he gets their blood.
>this world breaking jutsu lets me bring to life all the cool characters people want to see>such as Sai's brother
Here are Kabuto's edo summons (- the Hokage)
Kishi really had to dumb down the villains. Deidara could've just spammed his nuke over and over and wiped out most of the alliance. Using Sai's brother as a suicide bomber is even more pointless.
Did they fucking nerf every single akatsuki member for the war or everyone just got way stronger out of nowhere?????
>>288368991Kabuto is controlling them
>>288368991Our heroes got 30-50% stronger while the Akatsuki got 200% weaker
>>288364945sasori would have never fallen for this in the sakura fight
>>288365219huh?
>>288368991>>288368991kishi simply can't write and this is the only way he could publish his "what if" fights
>>288364945>>288369033Come to think of it, couldn't Chiyo have done something like this during their fight?
>The Akatsuki Surprise Attack and Diversion Platoon was formed by Kabuto Yakushi during the outset of the Fourth Shinobi World War. The primary goal of the squad was to conduct an air raid on the Allied Shinobi Forces. Kabuto is out here having a blast playing as G.I Joe commander in chief while Obito would be completely fucked without him. How long would this arc last if not for the edos, 15 chapters?
>>288369374Obito would not have the means of fighting an all out war with the allience, but if he was alone and got intel of Naruto's location, he could have captured both 8 and 9 tails before the world got their army together.
>>288367826>Sasuke from the RaikageYou mean the Raikage from Sasuke
>>288365587Yeah cause Kishi was aware even as he was writing it that the "great ninja world war" was just a handful of really bland fights between a handful of villains he decided to bring back, and occasionally showing big crowds of ninja doing nothing/running to nothing. He had absolutely no ability to draw or write a convincing war with scale so he has to keep having characters remind you that these tiny skirmishes and literal 1 on 1 fights are a 'war'The dialogue in the last chapter was fucking insane - >So this... Is war... I could die... My friends could die...Nigger you're a fucking ninja, you've been on like 1000 missions and people die every single time, this shit is routine to you, there is literally nothing special about this newest series of ninja battles, you could just as well have called the chuunin exams a 'war' seeing as that was also a series of match-up fights between various nations shinobi.
>>288365098>deidara speaking for all the sasuke fangirls
>>288369687>You now remember the entirety of the war arc takes place over 2 (two) days (48 hours)
>>288369438it's both actually.
>>288365301I guess Deidara just going around nuking named characters would be too dark for Kishi
>>288369743>Naruto canonically goes from starting to learn sage mode to KCM to KCM2 to dying to resurrecting as sage-of-six-paths-mode with unlimited chakra and the reincarnation of ninja jesus lauching nukes in less than 1 week of in-story time4 of the 7 'forms' in pic related are achieved within the same 5-6 day span
>>288365301Would you really enjoy a chapter of Kankuro and Sai's team preparing for a fight and then a white light swallows them and makes a mile wide crater?
>>288369820Then why mention it?>>288369878I mean...it's kinda interesting
>>288365168>>288365186>that speed blitz>That 1 shotHoly FUARK SAI UPSCALEPOWER SCALER ANON UPDATE THAT LIST
>>288369687The worst thing about it is that it's been like that from the beginning. He has no idea how strategy works otherwise he wouldn't write mercenary units being made up of like one slacker adult and three preteens apiece. Retarded Naruto fans make up excuses like "any more and they'd be too slow, they'd be too conspicuous!" like it's harder to run across a country with 10 people than three. Coordinating 10 people is too difficult for their pea brains to handle, but AoT didn't have that problem.They literally weren't taught anything in the academy so WTF were those six years even for? Then you learn they have a second exam after they graduate and their instructor has a pass rate of 0%. And then you learn they make them kill each other for sport. And they fucking wonder why they're short on firepower after Suna attacks.It's all just because in Kishimoto's retard mind something can't be impressive unless it's literally the fastest, strongest, or most difficult thing ever so every new character and obstacle that comes along gets hyped up with more and more hyperbole, oh well the last genius was a once in ten years genius, and the one after that is a once in a generation genius, and the one after that is a once in a 100 years genius, and Shikamaru has a literal 200 IQ that's why he's the only one who can pass the exam.Kind of hard to impress the seriousness of a war when he uses fighting 10,000 fodder shinobi as a hype feat for one random professional wrestling caricature.
>>288365246Already starting off as the worst arc.
>>288368991This is the cameo arc. Nothing actually matters until Realdara shows up
>>288369968I could jump the gun and put him in high Jonin next time...Also something people sleep on is his birds are spread all over the land allowing multiple teams to fly over vast distances.
>Current Sai could single handedly beat Sakura, Chiyo, pre MS Sasuke and pre Sage mode NarutoThis is getting ridiculous.
>>288367089Ichigo would solo the war then.
>>288370157>allowing multiple teams to fly over vast distances.We see like 3 birds anon
Whatever happened to Sasori's kick ass iron sand puppet? Was it too heavily destroyed for Kankuro to use?
Kabuto should have given Sasori Konan's body to make a decent puppet out of
>>288368991Kishi brought back powerful antagonists as immortal killing machines so he has to hit them with the idiot stick otherwise there's no reason why Kabuto wouldn't instantly win.
Did Kishi bring back Akatsuki members only to have them job?
>>288369874Months have passed since pain died. We just don’t see it.
>>288370528No. He created them to job.
>>288364969Why does he have THAT puppet
>>288365145This nothing character will never be cool, Kishimoto...
>>288369016The extend of his "puppeteering" is unknown. Right now he talks with Tobi and later he even fights with some edos still doing their thing. Unless he’s doing is passively 300IQ style.
>>288366353I guess it's a sort of purgatory-like situation for the souls being brought into flesh by the edo tensei? Free them of their regrets and they should be able to move on to a higher plan, active jutsu be damned.
>>288369874was it a cell situation where kishi just couldn't decide how he wanted naruto to look so he kept introducing powerups?
>Sai just conveniently had to face his brother>Kankuro just conveniently had to face SasoriThis is going to be repeated 40 times throughout the war isn't it?
>>288370090>It's all just because in Kishimoto's retard mind something can't be impressive unless it's literally the fastest, strongest, or most difficult thing ever so every new character and obstacle that comes along gets hyped up with more and more hyperbole,which is retarded because the sra was just fine despite following the chuunin exams.it was lower scope but the stakes still felt high and that was interesting enough.
>>288370785You won't believe who Sasuke randomly runs into
>>288370450Imagine the combo attacks with Kankuro using that and Gaara using his normal sandCould have been cool
>>288366925>Shikamaru amazing everyone with his galaxy brain tactics.There's a hilarious Shikamaru glaze coming later when Obito joins the battle to grab the vessels the brothers were sealed in. AFTER fighting over them stating he actually wants whats inside he gets caught in a shadow jutsu and is ALREADY praising Shika for just doing that. Then Shika simply states what everyone already knew and Obito is so sad that he's an enemy. C'mon!
>>288370898It wouldn't be so bad, if Darui didn't came up with this exact thought 2 pages prior. Even without Obito stating what he actually wants. Where was his praise!? LMAO.
>>288370785>Kakashi runs into Zabuza and Haku>Gaara runs into his Dad>Team Asuma runs into...Asuma>Sasuke runs into his brotherSurprisingly, Dan didn't face off against Tsunade, but it was probably to showcase his ability, which really makes his death questionable.
>>288370898Why did you spoil an explanation of the page you posted? Are you actually retarded?
>>288370785They have Kisame's intel to tell them which person is in which squad and where, so maybe Kabuto is having a lot of them clash on purpose to try and fuck with the enemy mentally..I'm trying my best here, Kishi.
>>288370943Maybe he forgot to spoil the image. Either way it's a strange thing to get so aggro about it
>>288371042Retard
>>288365413Orochimaru removed their personalities after a very short convo so I'd imagine that stops it.
>>288371101
>kabuto sent sasori without any puppets to waris he retarded?????
>>288364969sasori just wanted to avoid twink death
>>288370649it's like karma i guess. buddhism believes no ties to mortal world = ascension to higher plane.
>>288365219lol. this is so bad.
>>288370889they did the sand trio dirty. they barely get to do anything together and make combos in fights. there was the sasuke confrontation i guess.
>>288366402What is it that makes it nonsense?
>>288371211Love Tsunades fat udders.
>>288365325Akatsuki intel.
Cute
>>288365219>>288365145This is actually good>>288365120This is really bad. Why are they yapping?
>>288365587I'm glad I kept raging like a lunatic at every instance so far. It'll keep going for a while too
>>288366852We've been dunking on this manga since chunin exam
kabuto's ninja info cards are the most iconic thing about his character
>>288366939No Sageruto upgrade since he beat up nine tails?
>>288372529Would Kabuto be an scalper irl?
>>288367110Some of the best covers are from the later ones. They're all crippled by having Naruto on all of them, but Kishimoto's art mostly improved
>>288372512I meant in the sense of hopelessness
>>288372549probably.>>288372555sure like picrel. but most part 2 covers look lame or just mediocre.
>>288365413As long as there is uchiha, Tobirama can't rest in peace.
>>288372591I don't know about that. I always liked his covers, he's a shit mangaka but can draw and color well. Maybe a comparison pic is needed because I don't see it
>>288372591kurama being right beside shukaku is really ironic.
>>288372512why only the chuunin exams? land of waves wasn't weird enough with the jutsu that needed kakashi/zabuza to quote a bible? and then kakashi just pierces haku with no bible quote jutsu needed. was it chidori? i forget.
>>288372725Waves was pretty solid and early enough to not contradict early things because it was the early things. Also mostly self contained.
>>288372799sorta but it still had some weird shit.what did you rag the chuunin exams for? aside from hiruzen being a hypocrite.
>>288365120Why was this random job brought back to life, anyways?
>>288372879psychological warfare.
>>288372901Against Sai? Who gives a shit about him?
>>288372943kabuto apparently.
>>288372630
>>288366439Kek, imagine the relief he felt for his son only for that to get ruined a few days later
>>288372844Remember Neji discussing state secrets in front of the entire world? Or anything with the invasion really
>>288373215Yeah for me at a glance you have a step down late part 1/early 2 and with the war we somehow have some of the best ones
This entire time Kishimoto hasn't been able to write a single team fight without turning it into a 1v1 or a series of 1v1s. Why did he ever think that a mass scale conflict like this would be a good fit for him? Why did nobody tell him to fucking stop?
>>288373355it's also really weird how the spectators could hear conversations in the arena despite being really far away. how did people hear neji's story? how did kankuro know gaara's "conversation" started?
>>288365587>>288369687>>288372442Fuck off. We had important characters like Muta Aburame get killed by the villains. Real shit is at stake
>>288373355>anything with the invasion reallyit gets retroactively weird when you consider suna had a shitter tailed beast so why did they think it would beat the leaf's nine tails? you'd think they'd take the leaf's power into account when planning to invade them and throw their shit nuke at them. why wouldn't they think the leaf could use their nine tails against it?
>>288371287possibly.
>>288373428what manga/anime do team fights well?
>>288373428I think he managed a few team fights in the war arc actually. Surprising as it may sounds, we get a few. And he's kinda forced to draw them for once
would sasuke have been less of an insecure faggot if someone told him naruto got his power through having a nuke inside him?
>>288365607>Alright guys we're going to WAR make sure you only pack what's essential and vital for survivalThank god Sai knew to bring his gay drawing book so his dead brother would have an opportunity to see it. This arc is incredibly contrived.
>>288373642Sasuke was never particular about the source of anyone's powers, as evidenced by his roiding streak.
>>288371738How forced it is. It was bad enough with Sai's brother, but how convenient is it that Kankuro, someone who can personally relate to Sasori, was there to give some speech about passing the torch on to the next generation, so Sasori can see that true art was the friends he made along the way...
>>288373659>Thank god Sai knew to bring his gay drawing book so his dead brother would have an opportunity to see it.doesn't he always have it with him?>>288373675he got mad when naruto started getting stronger than him. some insecurity and some "how will i beat itachi?"
>>288373659Look the war is retarded but Sai bringing his most priced personal item as a good luck charm is absolutely fine
>>288373702It's a convenient matchup, it makes no sense statistically but nothing does in this manga, narratively it's alright
>>288373730>doesn't he always have it with him?Wasn't it only because he didn't have it finished? Why would he carry it now that it's finished?
>>288364969>I am a TRUE jobber now
>>288373772Good luck charm, heirloom, whatever
>>288373752>narratively it's alrightNah
>>288373772why not? it's sentimental.>>288373702why not? the manga has always had convenient matchups. like shikamaru frequently facing women then complaining about it as a gag.naruto facing gaara when kakashi could've just went along and one shot him.naruto facing neji after he shit all over hinata so naruto could get revenge.sakura fighting ino.hiruzen facing orochimaru.temari conveniently showing up to save shikamaru.gaara conveniently getting to save lee and conveniently having to fight kimimaro who he just so happens to have a fighting chance against unlike anyone else there.the 2 fat guys conveniently fighting each other.kankuro conveniently having to fight sasori who he has no chance against.chiyo conveniently fighting sasori who then kills himself.
>>288373976Over half of those match ups weren't as forced as the ones in the war.
>>288373961It is. There's nothing wrong in what Kankuro's saying, it's a fine retort to Sasori "muh art is eternal because I'll live forever as a doll/zombie", "well actually your art will be eternal but your eternal life doesn't mean shit, you're a rotting zombie and the actual art here is what you built"
>>288374021they're all pretty convenient though. they just work out somehow.and neji fights the spider guy who he has similarites with because vision haxx
>>288373976almost none of those fights were about randomly running into each other on a country-sized field
>>288374021It's pretty much the same. Lee fucking ran the entire way the Konoha guys did somehow for days in what, 2 hours? 1? Fresh out of bed. All so he could fight some guy, and then be saved by Gaara, all so Naruto would fight Sasuke except nobody else would run after Naruto to help because otherwise it'd ruin the plot.Compared to that, 2 guys finding the 2 designated opponents on the battlefield is child's play
>>288374024Nah>>288374041>he has similarites with because vision haxxWhat?
>>288374065Is this a bot? Kill yourself if not
>>288374041they consciously made the decision to let neji fight the spider guy because he's the only one who could do anything about his websthey didn't all just run into each other at complete random
>>288374043the randomly chosen matches conveniently rolling sakura vs. ino and naruto vs. neji and gaara vs. sasuke was pretty convenient.the right sand siblings randomly following trails that lead to shikamaru and lee was really convenient.>>288374065neji has the byakugan and kidomaru has nearly 360 degree spider vision.
>>288374063>2 guys finding the 2 designated opponents on the battlefieldIt's every single match up in the war. Imagine trying to excuse this shit writing.
>>288374095>no argument Concession is accepted. Loser. >>288374108>kidomaru has nearly 360 degree spider vision.What are you on about? Either making headcannon or you just speedreading.
>>288374143kidomaru was defeated because he could see everywhere around himself except the very back, no?
>>288374161Are you being serious?
>>288374111Repeating it makes it far too convenient for sure. In some cases it makes sense (Naruto finding Nagato, because Nagato is the only one who can get him), in others it's pretty forced (InoShikaCho finding Asuma).The point isn't that this war is well written. The point is that two guys meeting conveniently is par for the course in this manga, disregarding logistics, logic, probability and creating various plotholes beyond just coincidence. What's the distance between Konoha and Suna? Nobody knows. Certainly not Kishimoto.Looking critically at this manga isn't excusing recent shit writing, it's also acknowledging the writing has always been this bad with a few qualifiers, maybe a different frequency... You were too young to see it.
>>288374172neji exposed that weakness. kidomaru had similar eyesight to what the byakugan gives neji.
>>288374199You have to be baiting.
>>288374108Also this the entire chunin exam is convenient. For some reason people will wank this mediocre arc though. This and 12 years old Naruto defeating Suna's secret nuke the invasion relied on, what a fucking joke.
>>288374189>convenientYou're really focused on this and ignoring that this shit is contrived.
>>288374213if i'm just completely misremembering or something than whatever. i'll eat my posts.i don't want to go digging through the chapters right now though.
>>288374240You can replace convenient with contrived in my post and nothing would change. Truth is, lots of shonen manga are operating on rules of cool, meaning things have to be convenient on some level: Goku can get there in the very nick of time to save his friends at the very last moment, because it's cool. To some extent. It needs to be satisfying though. That's why nobody really goes "well how convenient it is that InoShikaCho ends up fighting Asuma" the writing's on the damn wall. Same for the chunin tournament being perfectly set up to avoid Sakura vs Gaara. It's MOSTLY alright. There are dozens, hundreds of issues with this war, conceptually, logistically, thematically. Designated matchups happening isn't really one.
>>288374189>What's the distance between Konoha and Suna? Nobody knows. Certainly not Kishimoto.didn't it take days for team 7 to get there with temari in the kazekage arc?
>>288366353you are so fucking dense man
>>288374335Yes.How many days did it take Gaara and friends to rescue our genin friends? Certainly not 3. Were they running towards Suna and both ran half the distance for 1.5 days? How did Lee catch up? Where were everyone when Naruto and Sasuke fought? Nobody knows. Nobody thought about this.
>>288374382Also these super important secret missions everyone's on at all times. Tsunade CANNOT afford to send any jonin or even chunin helping her fucking Jinchuriki retrieve the fucking Sharingan from Orochimaru's jonin killing forces because they're busy. 1 day later, Kakashi and special elite medic forces will be on the job to fix this for hours (the operation takes DAYS and Tsunade herself has to work on it). Later in part 2 you learn Naruto shouldn't be left unmonitored because he's a high profile target. Good to know!!Seriously. This fucking manga.
>>288374219i mean, that's my favorite arc but i am saying how convenient it all is and how certain shit doesn't make sense. it doesn't have to be perfect to be great.convenient matchups are not something i have a problem with. i'm just saying they've always been there.
>>288374441>Later in part 2 you learn Naruto shouldn't be left unmonitored because he's a high profile target. Good to know!!the akatsuki were on the move in part 2 but not part 1. actively searching for jinchuriki to extract tailed beasts from. not kisame and itachi appearing in konoha.
>>288374467Yeah >>288374322It's fine when it's delivering satisfying payoffs and emotional moments and cool fights. Sadly most of the time it's not, so all you have left is bad worldbuilding.
>>288374504Akatsuki or not, Naruto's the 9 tailed fox. He's a high profile target. They tried kidnapping his fucking mom for that. And later his mom was attacked and kidnapped to unleash the 9 tails on the village. Naruto should be very very high priority.
tailed beast slop wasn't a thing until the timeskip
>>288374555most people don't know what naruto is though, right? though obito still could've kidnapped him whenever he wanted.
>>288374576yeah, and it was mostly great. also:>gaara had a priest inside himthat's why they changed it...
>>288374576i also like how gaara just decided to tell him his backstory because shikamaru or naruto said something about him being spoiled.it's one of the weaker setups for something being revealed.
>>288374642Kishimoto style of writing. ENDLESS yapping
>>288365413I think the implication is they can only be called back if they have some lingering attachment of any kind.
>>288366403>crows feetit's over
>>288370090actual military tactics aren't that far off that. the modern strategy consists of a fireteam of 3-5 guys, a squad of 3-5 fireteams, a platoon of 3-5 squads, and on and on. with the amount of each working together or independently depending on mission objectives. So, Kakashi/Naruto/Sasuke/Sakura is clearly equivalent to a realworld fireteam with Kakashi being the corporal in charge. the problem is Kishi never considered having the different teams work together as a squad even though that's obviously the intent (like how T8 is the sensory unit, and T10 are the intel unit) because he can't write more than a handful of characters at a time, so he sends off the 'fireteams' to do missions that clearly would require a full squad or even platoon.
also probably not a good idea to reveal that "healing their hearts and allowing them to emotionally move on" is a way to end the summoning, right away in the very first skirmish with zombiesthat's something you could save for what appears to be a life and death moment at the climax of the whole thing
>>288373617Wouldn't say it's well done but the little bits of Team fights in DB are ok.
>>288370090The 3+1 team setup kinda makes sense in the economical context of their day to day mercenary work as the cheapest possible configuration, but obviously when it comes to shit like "war" it makes no real sense to restrict them to just that.
>>288374585the Hokage should know.
>>288366939>sai speedblitzed two akatsuki and is about to be part of the team that seals them bothmy boy is officially kage tieri'm joking about how pointless this tier list is about to become
Where are Sakura’s tits?
>>288365166>Does this qualify as a blitz?No because Deidara decided that he didn't even need to try to evade.
>Sasuke with cowboy theme seeing NArtio
>>288365098>You are not good enough to replace Sasuke!Possibly the most blatant example of a character knowing something he has no business knowing just because the readers know it.
>>288375316kage tier is so weird when most characters have feats that make them look kage tier in the war. even fucking sakura becomes kage tier.
>>288364921A ninja war would only make sense as small scales high intensity battles with very specific strategies based on various jutsu
>>288345238>Chapter 517: Omoi's War!!>Omoi strikes an epic pose and the end of last chapter only to get sidelined by Kankuro and SaiThis fight is so weird, >>288364997>>288365018Why is Sasori now suddenly controlling Sai's brother as if he isn't an edo already programmed to fight the enemy? Then he gets hilariously turned into a bomb and just stands around a bit like a zombie. This fight was already a stupid idea, but it really didn't need so many characters involved. I guess this is supposed to be an emotional conclusion to Sai's past, but honestly it was quite cheap and if Kishi really wanted to portray Sai as an actual new important member of the main cast he should've given him a 1v1 fight. I know it sounds like even more bloat, but really if you're going to resurrect so many characters and pair them up thematically, at least give them a proper sendoff conclusion without cutting back and forth. It just feels rushed yet we're barely into the arc.
So OPink got exposed for replying to his own r34 spam for an entire thread?
is this the funniest moment in part 1?
>>288376222>It just feels rushed yet we're barely into the arc.yeah. kishi revives a bunch of characters pointlessly and then tries to cut through them all as quickly as possible
What made him such a bro?
>>288369878I mean if they really want to sell us on how big of a deal this war is...Did a single named character die to these immortal legendary shinobi?Pain killed far more people by himself, even if it got undone by bullshit in the endThe only character I remember dying is Neji, and even then it was from the fucking Ten-tails
what manga/anime have well executed wars/big battles on the same scale?besides legend of the galactic heroes
>>288375480wasn't she always flat?
>>288376529naruto
>>288376557the war arc isn't well executed though. or are you referring to a past arc? or do you want to elaborate how the war arc is good?
>>288365168>>288365186>>288365203>>288365219>>288365246Ok so when this first released and seeing Sasori and Deidara got speedrun'd any% treatment was people immediately lose any hypes to other reanimated shinobis? Was it all stalled until Madara?
"Sais brother" sounds like someone trying to come up with a concept for the most irrelevant character as a joke.
>>288365120I can't read this shit. Genuinely the worst parts of the manga all in one massive saga. Just show shikamaru vs Obito already. Or the six path jinchurikis. Or Madara. Come on man.
>>288369878Gigantic wastelands caused by explosions are a part of war
>>288366353I actually liked that aspect of edo tensei and it showed some level of autonomy from the soul in question
hot take: edo tensei should have never existedits a better dragon ball cop out (since at least they'll die out) or should be personality-less at least
I think Kishimoto actually wanted a lot more deaths in this arc but the editors blocked it since editors back then are known to block this stuff due to merch potential . He gave a green flag to ikemoto to kill everyone in the old generation if he wants but ikemoto doesn't.
>>288374382Don't forget 2 chapters ago when it was said:>The zetsu army are moving across these two nations towards usAnd Tsunade replied>Inform those two NATIONS to evacuateAs if two entire countries, two full nations of people, with cities and villages and all, can just 'evacuate' on a whim, I don't think kishi actually understands anything about scale or how the real world works, maybe because he spent his entire life drawing manga in a tiny room. Naruto just randomly spazzes around with distance, like that the 20,000 ninja 'army' (not even 1/10th of the population of an average sports stadium) were told "to war!" and all just started running. The entire army is just running, on foot, across multiple nations apparently to have this 'war'.
>>288376529>well executedThe amount of manga with wars on the same scale is already small to begin with. Sure there are lots of series with wars, but Naruto's war arc consists of hundreds of established named characters fighting. Most war-focused series also have distinction between commanders and troops, while Naruto's is more just an all-out clash between everyoneKingdomOne Piece has Marineford which is the closest thing to the war arc, but battles aren't actually resolved and it serves more as a teaser for characters who haven't been shown yet at that pointBleach has the blood war but it feels less like a war than both naruto and marinefordVinland Saga has wars but it's a limited cast of characters Attack on Titan has a war but it starts to feel more like "Avengers assemble!" capeshit towards the endWorld Trigger is focused primarily on group combat tacticsBugle Call has pretty large-scale battles, but it's mostly a sort of chess game where troops are moved around like like in Total War games alongside special units.It's tough because the premise of the war arc itself is so shitty and blatantly fanservice that you'd think it was fanfiction>Lets revive all the dead characters so they can fight it out again in a giant battle for the fate of the world!The scale of the war arc is only possible due to the nature of most edos being characters we already know. Having 30+ new live characters be introduced AND defeated in the same war arc would be terrible, which is why authors don't do it. The arc relies on edo tensei at achieve this scale. It's a unique concept that's only possible because of how shitty it is.
>>288376529One piece had its fans hyped for a very long time for the war after one piece is found. Marineford helped build good expectations for oda's writing abilities when it comes to large scale battles and oda is just a better writer in general compared to most shonen authors. Unfortunately after Wano I believe the hype died down also due to the insane amount of time that has passed irl from when WB made the claim that a war would be had.Kingdom is also another good manga. The coalition war was one of its peaks. That manga largely revolves around war so it only makes sense.
>>288376897>merch potentialThose death characters got a lot more merchs than the alive ones to this day. Have you ever seen how much Sasori and Deidara merchs
>>288372591Kishi really just brought back the jinchuriki because he wanted to give their powers to Naruto...
>>288376912Normmalfags never questioned any of this. They even sat through all the infinite tsukiyomi filler in the anime LOL
>>288376912One of my peeves is that Kishi can never decide whether the ninja world is extremely small, low tech and low population, like some shots of the sand village make it look more like a small bowl shaped valley with a handful of buildings in it, barely enough to maintain a population of hundreds/low thousands. But then in pic related, when deidara explodes, he randomly throws in this giant modern looking city that we never see or hear about, it's just there, looks bigger than konoha (which is also inconsistently drawn to be either a reasonably large village or an incredibly tiny collection of buildings that barely stretches as wide as the hokage monument, which was so small that naruto could stand on one of the heads and look to scale.)
>>288376897kishi lost his editor though
>>288376897Can you believe Kishi almost killed off his million dollar character Sasuke?
>>288372634It's ordered by number.
>>288365186They were too strong, that's why they lost
>>288377010i know but kurama could've been in the 8 tails' place on the left side of naruto's stripe, away from shukaku. but he is within inches of shukaku instead. lol.
>>288373215What went wrong?
>>288376982i think the ninja villages were originally going to be small settlements as there was a lot more going on with the worldbuilding earlier on, like with the daimyos for instance.later depictions tend to make the villages look bigger.or it's just hard to keep the scale accurate.also the leaf got rebuilt after pain's assault leading to inconsistencies probably.
>>288376927>Having 30+ new live characters be introduced AND defeated in the same war arc would be terrible, which is why authors don't do it.too much introduction? all you really need to know is their abilities. and just having more unique characters from the other villages would make them seem more relevant too and not just like everything revolves around the leaf.
>>288376937I'm talking about what retarded editors believe not reality.It's a major reason why Levi from AOT keeps living through retarded plot armor>>288376983editors thinking is the same, Yahagi stopped but there were other editors. I think naruto went through like 4 editors?>>288376990Yeah Kishi would have killed a lot of the popular characters by mid shippuden IF he was allowed to.
>>288377109>think naruto went through like 4 editors?do you know their names and which arcs they helped with? i only knew about kishi's first editor who was with him for all of part 1 but left by the time the 5 kage summit happens.
i don't think they cared about marketability by the end with his ugly some of the timeskip designs were like anko and most the male characters.
how much fun is naruto having in this picture
>>288377109he should've let gaara stay dead and some characters from the pain assault besides jiraiya.i wouldn't have killed so many characters there in the first place though. but dead characters should stay dead.
>>288376976do we know if kishimoto has any input on what's allowed in the filler?
Luckruto
>>288377225Kakashi should have lived though
>>288376912I think you're retarded and overthinking the mangaIt's a fantasy story about ninja with fantasy powers. In theory they have special forces related to evacuation or jutsus the help speed up the process. It's not hard
>>288377273yeah.
>>288377216His little 3-inch cock is probably stiff as a prosthetic leg.
>>288377104It's more that nobody will care about 30+ new characters fighting it out. Having more ninja from other villages would be cool, but we're already getting that with Omoi, Darui, Kitsuchi, Mifune, the other kage, the edo other kage, the edo literal whos, and more. This fight is already complete shit, but would it be better if it was Omoi vs some random mist ninja? At such a scale, who cares? There isn't enough time to introduce a reason to care about so many characters. Just look at this fight, we have Sai and Kankuro getting 'conclusion' to their characters and it's just so unimpactful and lame.I think having a bunch of freshly introduced mid-tier ninja fighting out a war with mid-tier unique abilities would be a cool concept if naruto was actually about warring nations, espionage, sabotage, and not good vs evil prophecies and a final confrontation between the two chosen bloodlines. It would just be odd to do at this point in the story, which is why I say without the edos that war arc wouldn't be possible but it's because of the edos that it's shit
>>288377216Fixed
>>288377337>Just look at this fight, we have Sai and Kankuro getting 'conclusion' to their characters and it's just so unimpactful and lame.well, it's really rushed and it's against past villains who we already saw get defeated in some way and had conclusions to their stories, with the exception of sai's brother.there aren't any cool strategies in these fights and the entire thing feels comical. and we have kankuro saying he's better than sasori while using his stolen weapons while sasori has nothing.i'd argue in some cases like with sasori and deidara, i'd rather have some literally who characters than have a poor retread of these villains' arcs. at least new characters would feel fresh and it wouldn't resort to things like sasori repeating his ideals and deidara being comic relief and acting like an idiot instead of just flying around where no one can get him and bombing the shit out of everyone.for sai's brother, i think it just feels cheesy with how emotional release just releases the person. there's just something stupid about the execution.but i can see what you're saying. it's probably easier to get people to care since it reuses characters people are already attached to.plus sai and kankuro aren't popular characters, enforcing your point. literal who characters no one cares about. watching them do anything might feel lame.so you make a good point, but there are other things bringing the quality down.and honestly, they should've had kankuro and temari do shit with gaara instead. the family relationship is the most interesting thing about at least 2 of said characters.like why weren't they there for the rasa confrontation?>I think having a bunch of freshly introduced mid-tier ninja fighting out a war with mid-tier unique abilities would be a cool concept if naruto was actually about warring nations, espionage, sabotage, and not good vs evil prophecies and a final confrontation between the two chosen bloodlines.yeah, good point.
kinda reminds me, the palace invasion in hxh had a big scale and a lot of mid tier characters helping out but it was big in scope and felt executed well in the manga.
>>288377337>I think having a bunch of freshly introduced mid-tier ninja fighting out a war with mid-tier unique abilities would be a cool conceptI think one of the issues is that the relevant characters are so far gone in terms of powerlevel at this point that anything involving mid-tier ninja just feels pointless because it cant affect them. If the powerscaling was a bit more sensible it could be done though.
>>288377658HxH feels more close to Part 1 Naruto than anything. If Togashi was writing we wouldn't have a problem of ninjas becoming wizards as the series goes on
>>288377714we would be barely in the akatsuki arcAlso while I like togashi he wouldn't design them that well or write them the way we liked them
also do anons have a sauce for kishi introducing kaguya just so pierrot could continue milking naruto? i find it believable but i don't want to go around agreeing with it unless i know it's real.
>>288377758he has a different style but he's better at writing big conflicts overall with multiple moving pieces.
>>288377547He cheapened a lot of the characters by bringing them back. Maybe it would've been better if the edos were limited to characters we haven't seen, like the past kage of the other village, the 7 ninja swordsmen, etc but with a tighter focus than what we got. But the nature of the edo itself is just odd and sort of requires bringing everyone back because the excuses otherwise don't make much sense. For such a crazy powerful jutsu, the requirements are incredibly basic, so much so that people were even asking why weren't Jiraiya/Sakumo/Konan brought back.>and honestly, they should've had kankuro and temari do shit with gaara insteadI said the same earlier, why is Sai even here in this fight? The character pairing of Omoi Sai and Kankuro is odd and their interplay isn't good>>288377693>>288377658The current succession war arc was what I was thinking of regarding mid-tier guys fighting it out. It's interesting (to me) because I like seeing how the powers interact, and the lack of main characters means anyone can die which is part of the appeal. I don't feel like any one person will win, so it's just fun to see what happens.
Were all these minor countries created as buffer states after the third war? Or how does the whole ninja war thing work when none of the major countries border each other?
>>288378157>succession war arc was what I was thinking of regarding mid-tier guys fighting it out. It's interesting (to me) because I like seeing how the powers interact, and the lack of main characters means anyone can die which is part of the appeal. I don't feel like any one person will win, so it's just fun to see what happens.yeah, how's it going by the way? i haven't read the last dump yet. was thinking of maybe waiting until it finishes if it ever does.
>>288378157>I said the same earlier, why is Sai even here in this fight? The character pairing of Omoi Sai and Kankuro is odd and their interplay isn't goodi know. it's a team fight kinda but the team has no chemistry.
>>288376927>hundreds of established named characters fightingYou mean like 40? There aren't that many
part 1 sets up a lot of interesting world building but then does nothing with it as part 2 makes the story revolve around saving sasuke and the akatsuki finding the jinchuriki and naruto being the fated one to save the world.
>>288376529Shingeki no Kyojin until the ending
>>288378757That's the issue, Kishimoto can do nice hints but nothing else. He can draw a cool looking village with visually interesting steampunk architecture... and then nothing at all that'd explain, contextualize or make these relevant in any way
>>288377337This, Kishi had the entire first half of the manga to develop these other villages and wasted story time on Akatsuki fights.
i just remembered that neji dies in one of the dumbest ways possible for his character.
>>288364997>characters suddenly know info that Sasuke discovered during his fight with Deidara>>288365098>Deidara knows info about Sai that he shouldn'tKishimoto straight ass can't pass the Sally-Anne test.
>>288379781I guess MAYBE Oonoki would know about Deidara's Raiton weakness?? The Sai stuff makes 0 sense though
>>288379781Deidara is infamous in his village. Rock village shinobi knowing his weakness isn't something pulled out of the hat
>>288378104I agree considering the current arc. Togashi is probably the best author at writing complex plots.Big 3 (naruto, one piece, bleach) fail laughably at this. And most shonen as well even a good author like AOT author (like it or not he's one of the more competent shonen authors).
>>288376912Very apt criticism. Usually I would give Kishimoto a pass but this is getting in the way of main story events. Like, these are actually important informations to have.Funny but even LOGH struggled with keeping this straight. In fact you could argue LOGH has an even worse sense of scale than Naruto?
>>288378086I remember an anon posted a collection of evidence a while ago, one of it was from an interview but honestly can't remember where.It was kinda obscure interview/pics though as i haven't seen em before.
Kishi did a big miss not doing some themed villages (snow village, russians, ??? village, chinese) etc.would have been cool
>>288380349I wish we had more varied adventures. Fighting pirates on sea. Going somewhere in the high mountains. Exploring a volcano.
>>288380498Basically the reason why even bad fillers improve Naruto as a manga
>>288380498Naruto was supposed to be like this btwbut the editors/shueisha said no because one piece was running and they didn't want another adventure
>>288380757I guess it would be cool if Shippuden's plot was about going around the world trying to prevent the Akatsuki from collecting Biju. Warning other nations, gathering intel, meeting other Jinchuriki
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>>288377378do you guys think naruto ever makes a shadow clone transform into sasuke, and make said clone fuck hinata while he sits in a cuck chair and cries?
>>288376976I mean, it's basically flavor text for all it impacts on the narrative.
>>288381648I wish Sakura was a cool tomboy in Shippuden instead of an annoying crybaby
>>288364945l-lewd!
>>288365098are ALL of kankuro's puppets stolen from sasori?
>400 repliesWow! The daily kages saved Naruto again.
>>288383321But more importantly, it's keeping the children safe. Bless Naruto.
>>288383811Your post didn't bump the thread. That's weird!
>>288383854You're pretty pathetic dude
>>288383854The truth...... exposed......
>>288383892Yeah, he just lurks in these threads 24/7, that's how we know the kids are safe (: he has no actual life outside Naruto threads
>>288383974Accurate Sasuke depiction kek
>>288383854I guess he doesn't want to keep the children safe...
>>288366939Wy wife Yugito will never get her just ranking as High Kage alive...
>>288381626>>288377378>>288377216Wrong your all Wrong this is what true warriors and shinobi strive for my boy !!
>>288380862Not like this but that the chunin exam would never happen
>>288384180>"CHIDORI NAGASHI!">*Rips a nasty fart right on Naruto's face*
>>288383811hi poopsuke
>>288384473hi sakon
>>288384536>>288384473Now kiss
more of sakura please more of sakura and naruto fucking licking sucking
>>288384473Sakon...
>>288377658That was nothing compared to marineford and a lot of those characters only became a thing in the CA arc.
>>288384769Sasuke...
I forgot Sasuke existed
>>288385531Who?
>>288385531>>288385645Kishi should've given him more attention. He had such great potential.
>>288384115Nah See >>288383949He'll always be here to respond, even after the thread is past bump limit. It's just how he is.
>>288385531>Ooo hehe I totally just forgot who the most powerful, sexy, strong, handsome, amazing, cool, and intelligent shinobi that has ever lived was xDSureee
>>288385889>Ooo hehe I totally just forgot who the most powerful, sexy, strong, handsome, amazing, cool, and intelligent shinobi that has ever lived was xDWhy are you describing Itachi?
>>288385920I need both Sasuke and Itachi in my bed. Right. Fucking. Now.
>>288385889Maybe if Sasuke was more active in the current plot I would remember him
>>288366948They were resurrected by Kabuto using the Edo Tensei technique, which puts the resurrected individual under his ownership and control, to the point where he can turn their personality on & off at will. The only ways to break free are to either be insanely strong enough to simply "no lol" the shinobi who cast it or to set up a genjutsu capable of rewiring someones brain on a fundamental level beforehand. Ergo, there is no possible reason for why he just "died" like that (as well as regain his personality) except for Kabuto saying "welp fuck it lol" and deactivating Edo Tensei for no fucking reason. Holy shit how was Shippuden my first experience with Japanese media?
>>288386062Of all Naruto characters, Orochimaru is the one that would beg like Homelander
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>>288377109Well good thing Sasuke lived
