Koji mouri understood Berserk, this chapter is probably the best thing to come out of it in the last 10 years
>>288759316He destroyed Guts as a character,the next thing that will happen is Guts killing godhands like nothing just because he believes he can.Moricucks are so retarded.
>>288759381You are a faggot poser who found out about berserk post-covid from the movies, i can just tell, pic rel is what berserk was before mouri got in.
>>288759316 O, MY STRUGGLES ONE...! >>288759414that's sovl.
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>>288759316I don't think Koji Mori would be the kind of person to change the story to fit "his" views. I wholely believe what we're seeing now is what Miura 100% planned to do but the way it's drawn is probably different than what he would have done (though around the end Miura let his team do 90% of the heavy lifting so you could argue Miura's Berserk "died" when he went digital.)
>>288759505>I wholely believe what we're seeing now is what Miura 100% planned to doI am gonna have to disagree with you
Now that Jonh Berserk is stronger than gayfrits, what next?
>>288759505>I don't think Koji Mori would be the kind of person to change the story to fit "his" viewsIt's not about his "views". It's about the best thing this hack could come up with. And of course it turned out to be le "chosen" (read anti-chosen) one out of billion born different shonen-tier trope>though around the end Miura let his team do 90% of the heavy liftingWhat? He barely even allowed them to touch backgrounds. They only inked Duranki's drafts (drawn by Miura) before he croaked.You don't just have misconceptions about Berserk story, you are also completly delusional regarding real life processes surroinding it
>>288759749>>288759749>It's not about his "views". It's about the best thing this hack could come up with. And of course it turned out to be le "chosen" (read anti-chosen) Miura went ol and beyond to depict that exact imagery, you would have known this if you ever read the manga
>>288759316Berserk ended in 2021.
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>>288759381Berserk has been shit since fantasia mate
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>>288759900Oh, wow, that's two characters experiencing the same emotion. Now I'm gonna ignore all the lore breaking retcons and finally "read the manga" I know far much better than you
>>288760029No the island is where it started the star wars references, that's where it turned into a travesty
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>>288760073Guts and Griffith parallels and the themes of destiny were there since the blackswordsman arc but since you are a faggot larper who found out about berserk from the movies, you wouldn't know that, read the manga from the start
no way this guy isn't baiting
Guts regrowing his arm and eye and gaining supernatural powers
I think I need someone to explain this to me too>>288760154Because Guts was born dead he was split half human and half astral>>288760171But Griffith fully became Femto and fully rebirthed himself into the Moonlit boyHe's not half at all?
>>288760222trips confirm OP is a faggot
>>288760179>Guts and Griffith parallelsI know about the parallels and the much more numerios contrasts between Guts and Griffith. But you've only posted some vaguely similar imagery of characters standing in the same pose. You're obviously a larping 14 yo 2deep4u newfag who haven't read a book in his life and only knows Berserk through tiktok edits >themes of destinyOh, wow, you are so knowledgeable. Themes and such. Destiny. Now I finally get it
>>288760375>I know about the parallelsDishonest faggot larper went from ''koji mouri invented the anti-chosen trop'' to now him ''understanding the parallels'', the pic i posted had nothing to do with the parallels you moron, it's in the narratives, not gonna spoonfeed you anymore than this, i know without a single shadow of a doubt that you've never read the manga in your life or even know what happens post- golden age
>>288759381He destroyed Guts as a characterDude as much as i like Guts as human, lets not forget the story treated him as inhuman since the start.
i dont even have an issue with this i just wont read it because it isnt from miura and i dont care how accurate the chinese whispers are
>>288760375>''koji mouri invented the anti-chosen trop'' to now him ''understanding the parallels'How are these related? Are you retarded? And I've said the opposite. Moricuck used the most tired trope imaginable>the pic i posted had nothing to do with the parallels you moronThen why did you post them and what were they supposed to mean especially in the context of your posts lmao?>it's in the narratives, not gonna spoonfeed you anymore than thisYeah, because you can't>i know without a single shadow of a doubt that you've never read the manga in your life or even know what happens post- golden ageNow that's some desperate attempt at projection
>>288760097>funny.png>>288760534It's wasn't because he was the chosen one but because he just went through so much shit that no human should experience, but instead of breaking he turned it into conviction.
>>288759749You think people would do that? Go on the internet and tell lies?
>>288760534>the story treated him as inhuman since the start.Only if you retarded moricuck who takes everything literally and applies real life natural laws to a fantasy action manga full of cartoonish characters
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>>288759685He grew to better understand reality
>>288760604>guts can wield a 300 lbs sword because he took in the ass and got cucked by his best friendSure anon
This your PURE HUMAN protagonist?
>>288760718Homosexuals are strong
The idea of Guts being born from a corpse definitely feels like something Miura was gonna use eventually but was unsure of when exactly
>be me>my gf of five years starts getting into berserk>reads the entire manga in a month>“Yeah the boat arc was kinda long I guess.”>areyoufuckingkiddingme.pdf>she doesn’t really seem to understand the themes and whatnot but she likes Serpico and Rickert>we start watching the 1997 anime together>she doesn’t hate it, but keeps bringing up that it’s missing something>“Huh? Whatever do you mean?” I humbly interrogated>Continues blabbing on about the manga and anime both lack the same thing>I’m smoking like a chimney, high as a kite, can barely understand her>I personally think that the manga is unsalvageable at this point, and that most of Berserk will never be able to be animated properly>she brings up some shit about AI art and I start tuning her out entirely>decide to mess around >“Oh yeah? If it’s so easy then write an ending yourself haha” I suggest as a ragebaity joke>she takes it absolutely seriously, mentioning that there’s really only one thing she’d need to create a high quality ending to the manga>“Really? One thing? That’s so fucking retarded I’m gonna piss myself,” I says to her, partly because at this point I have a sneaking suspicion of what she’s about to say>“Dont you wanna know what I’d need?” she askes me innocently>reallynigga.docx>“…”>she takes a fat rip of my bong (that she bought me for my birthday) and stares at me with a look pierces through my eternal soul>she then says “I need about tree fiddy.”Now it was around that point in time that I realized that my gf of five years was in fact, an eight story tall crustacean from the Permian period. That God damned Loch Ness Monster had tricked me again.
>>288760908This is the activated berserker armor, retard
>>288761224It's Guts' own od, the berserker armor just harnesses it and its physical form is molded by its user. Guts' soul has the beast's eye.
>>288761141>feels likeFacts don't care about your feelings. The circumstances of Guts birth were known to Skull Knight since the beginning and they didn't play any role until now. The only thing he said about it is that Guts should be good at escaping death due to this omen
>>288759381>>288759414>>288759473>>288759547>>288759749>>288759749>>288760222>>288760264go back to your dead forum. also keep seething frenchie
>>288761291>Guts' soul has the beast's eyeThat's the astral projection he formed himself while still in the activated armor. You are taking everything too literally. Here's his astral form from the same chapter
>>288761421Guts is one bad day from becoming the beast of darkness apostle and his monstrous nature is reiterated ad nauseum. Spirits and mages see it in him, Slan gets off on the prospect of Guts embracing that evil inclination, even Casca picked up on it since he appeared as a beast in her mindscape, Guts sees the beast in himself. At a certain point it goes beyond abstraction. Other humans do not have the beast of darkness, Guts does.
>>288759381Low IQ, speedreading, misreading
>>288761551>becoming the beast of darkness apostleBy himself? Are you this dense?>Spirits and mages see it in himOnly through Guts own astral projection twisted by the armor, retard> Slan gets off on the prospect of Guts embracing that evil inclinationThis inclination does not exist outside Guts as some evil spirit seducing him. It's his own thoughts>Casca picked up on it On what? Guts going mad? Yeah she picked up after he tried to rape her>Guts sees the beast in himselfThat's his hallucination. And most importantly it's the author's artistic tool to show Guts inner conflict>At a certain point it goes beyond abstraction.It doesn't>Other humans do not have the beast of darknessBecause they are not the protagonist we deeply exploreHoly shit. Imaging taking EVERYTHING so literally. Morocucks, you are something else
>>288759316>got into Berserk in late 2016>miura died in 2021>i've been into it for more time with miura dead than aliveTime truly flies when you're a f/a/gAnywatly, I didn't liked the new chapter at first, but after discussing it, I grew to really liked it. It's not like Guts was special or a chosen one, but more like he was "forgotten" by fate and casuality, which in turn gave him the power to change, he became a rogue variable in the Godhand script for mankind, which he always was, I think it was properly foreshadowed looking back in the series.
>>288759316I agree with you Anon, people who complain about Chosen One bullshit simply don't understand the manga. This chapter is something that feels like a really important plot point Miura crafted and truly told Mouri a lot about. It is as good as the best parts of the manga. And if you read between the lines you can see chapters like this have a ton of care, while the rest do feel like they just have "They went from point A to point B" but not exactly all the story texture from getting there. I think that's why they are so inferior.
>>288761968>By himself? Are you this dense?You know goddamn well that Guts is carrying a behelit. >it's his own thoughts/hallucinationThat's the shadow that he grapples with, you skullknight tards can't understand that the allegory and themes are also literal. It's tied together because this is a fantasy world where monsters are real and Guts has more capacity than most to become a monster because the monster already exists inside him looking for an escape valve.
>>288760718that happens to literally everyone who gets fucked in the butt
>>288759316>this chapter is probably the best thing to come out of it in the last 10 yearsyup, this chapter certainly had plot progression
>>288760154>I'm big baby!
>>288759316What is this? Guts' new form (the Cabbage Struggler)?
>>288759381Oho, Covid tourist retard has arrived. Did you like those Golden Age movies, sissy? Good to know you have no idea how Berserk has looked like at least a decade before Miura kicked the bucket.
>>288759505The art of Berserk at the end was full of Miura's autistic dedication to detail. No way he was giving that up to assistants.
>>288759982>he had it all wrong
>>288760097Mood-breaking references have started around the time Guts received his new armor from Flora. Later there were more of them during the Boat arc, and this shit reached critical level of clownery (Star Wars shitposting, but in a manga) on the Elf Island.
>>288759547Miura probably didn't plan out every random gag he'd throw into each page, so the new team had nothing to work with, so just threw them out entirely.
>>288763209His art was very pretty and detailed, but I can't get why some people call him the most talented mangaka. Do they not know other manga authors? Or do they think that inefficient way of working, after being granted such opportunity, and focusing on small shit like an autist instead of making the whole chapter efficiently, equals godlike art?
>>288760718Guts is not the only guy to use oversized weaponry in this series. One of Farnese's knights had that massive iron polearm, and Boscogn (the Purple Rhino knight guy) had a great axe the size of a tree. Guts is the strongest man alive, but by degree, not kind.
>>288763280Art isn't about releasing more products. I have no idea what Miura thought of Berserk before he died, but I do know that he never let a page cross his desk without drawing as much as he could on it.
>>288759316Why do chosenonechads always keep winning?
>>288763280Setting aside the first half of this post, you're implying that art has to be "efficient". I know you're worked up but make sure you reread what you're typing before you post.
Maybe Guts is the sixth finger.
>>288763345So he was a bad mangaka. He should've just drawn shit for art exhibitions.>>288763381Art in manga should be efficient. Maybe you should reread the post before replying, retard. Don't pretend like manga is some kind of high culture equal to, fuck, Renaissance art in example.
>>288759982>>288763217Kenga Omega cognito hazzard.
>>288763381>one or two very good looking chapters with mediocre paneling released per year, irregular scheduleWow, impressive. RIP Kentaro Moira
>>288760037Hey is those dead kids from Lost Children.
>>288763391>he is the fifth king of the world
>>288760124If Miura was alive he would totally had draw Guts baby PP
>>288763455Don't forget bad Puck jokes, lolishit, and bromance!
>>288760154Fuck you! Human to the fucking marrow!
>>288763438>he was a bad mangakaThat's unfortunately true. I've been a Berkfag for a very long time, but I think that at some point Miura should've just focused on one-shot manga and finished Berserk, all while shifting into typical artistic craftsmanship. Art exhibitions or not, the world of manga was something that began to limit his artistic capabilities at some point.
>>288763438If you don't think an art form is art then you have no business pretending to discuss this in good faith.
>>288763345So he had autism?
>>288763518>if you don't think what I think about a certain subject you mustn't discuss itFine, I accept your concession.
>>288763438Why do you think Renaissance art is always better than manga art? Because its old?
>>288760154I'm not crying, you are crying.
>>288763540Being a perfectionist is not autistic.
Wait theres actually people who still dont get that Berserk is about the eternal fight between determinism(godhands) and randomness(gus/skull knight), if one side completely destroys the other then the world ends since the world cannot be purely determined nor purely random alone due to inherent limitations in reality itself
>>288763455Unless you own stock in the publisher, why would that bother you?The joy of Berserk was not about racing to the finale.
>>288763438He made a really good living for himself in the industry and sold tens of millions of copies. Can't really in good faith call him a bad mangaka.As per usual, his pace just slowed way down as he got up there in age. But that happened with most famous mangaka like Toriyama, Togashi, Inoue, etc. Miura was no exception.
>>288760534Inhuman in a metaphorical sense, not in the literal one.
>>288761327Fellow Redditors, grab your Behelits! We must defend Mori at all costs if we want to see an ending to "Berserk"! I will take any slop if it means that in my head I can imagine "Guts" killed "Griffith"!
>>288759982>Had it all wrongLmao
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>>288763598>it was always SMTYou know, i had my a hunch but i wasnt sure until you said it.
>Allegory>Themes>Parallels>Media literacy
>>288763598Your post is too smart for this thread.
>>288760260Griffith fully abandoned his physical body to become fully astral as femto but then incarnated into the moon child's physical body with his inhuman godhand astral body through the egg apostle's sacrifice.
>>288761312It's what gives him the unique quality of being just outside of the tide of the idea of evil's plan for all reality, ie, causality. He's still a fish swimming against the ocean, he's very much affected by the ebb and flow, and it's brought him to death's door plenty, but he's the only one who isn't bound directly to it, and can cause disturbances because of it as long as he continues to survive, and that's always been the case.
>>288759381You are projecting and it’s causing you to completely misinterpret the chapter anon
>>288759749He is not a chosen one or anti chosen one. Dumbfuck. Sorry but shit. Stop talking out of your ass. Being born in the interstice fucked him up his whole life and only now is he reunited with a part of him that’s been missing, that child like version of himself. That’s just a shitty thing that happened to him. This is about Guts as a character and a person not some powerscaling bullshit. Get a grip.
>>288763598It's law vs chaos, but fated suffering vs self-determinism and the potential for happiness if you fight for it tooth and nail. Guts is supposed to fight against fate hard enough to actually threaten the cosmic balance that is All Things Must Suffer. The very purpose of the Idea of Evil is to be wrong and the primary enemy, even Griffith is just a pawn in that plan. Guts entire existence is to disrupt the flow, eventually largely enough to outperform the influence on the world that Griffith, the very instrument of destined pain and suffering, can manifest. That's likely the intended endgame we'll never really get. The sum of Guts influence over hell on earth to the people eventually giving the whole world enough belief that good can exist despite living in hell to either undo the idea of evil or more likely balance it out with a similar collective consciousness created concept like the idea of good. People probably don't want to accept that the idea at the end of the day was to balance yin and yang to create a more harmonious universe.
>>288760154LOOK AT ME PUCK, I'M BEHELIT GUTS
>>288763753I AM A FREETHINKER INTELLECTUALIST AND THIS IS DEEP.
>>288759381Holy shit the samefagging responses
>>288763438>So he was a bad mangaka.Indeed, in the sense of what the industry demands.Some mangaka get away with very very long times between chapters (see made in abyss) but I have no idea what Miura's situation was.Plus japanese people's whole thing of catching "random death disease" and shit.
>Guts is half astral and half physical So what's the clam transformation going to do make him completely whole, what will the outcome be like
>>288759316>>288759505Didn't the og writer have no idea how to finish this thing and put it on hiatus hold for a decade...
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>>288765075Flora worked on his mind/soul and that could be preparation for the elemental kings rejuvenating his body or augmenting it.
>>288759316Seriously why is /a/ so retarded? There's nothing about he guts being the chosen. The chapter only show that as someone whose born from a corpse, he wasn't mean to exist in the first place and thus is outside of fate's control unlike Griffith whose fate is predetermined until he became a god hand THEN he can start doing whatever he wants. The chapter is about how he CAN fight Griffith NOT about how he was DESTINED to fight Griffith. >But Guts can't even touch Griffith during their last encounterThat because guts was deadnaming Griffith, that's not his name anymore.
>>288766251The point is that it's unearned. The circumstances of his birth is why he has a chance, not anything he himself did.
>>288766340>The circumstances of his birth is why he has a chance, not anything he himself did.Goddamn speedreader, the point is that he has been struggling even before his own birth. He willed himself to be birthed instead of dying in his mother's womb like he should be. That is the ultimate struggle and he passed that. That's the whole point of this chapter, Guts is the ultimate struggler who has fought for his life since even before he took breath, not because fate birthed him from a dead woman's womb. Thus as his existence is already outside fate itself, he can fight the god hand who wield over fate if he wanted to.
>>288766479Nowhere in the chapter does it say any of that.
>>288759316>>288759381hard shounen
My hot take is that Mori is doing the best he can to tell what I genuinely believe is roughly the story Miura wanted to tell, but he's just not that good of a storyteller and I'm not surprised I never heard of the dude before his buddy died.
>>288763626I imagine it bothers him because it resulted in Miura not being able to finish the manga before dying.
>>288766108I can see maybe his eye and arm growing back as a result but I don't know how I feel about hiving him a power up from this spiritual transformation. Maybe he gets an ability that allows him to sever people's ties to causality.
>>288759316there's barely any dialogue in Berserk since Miura passed away.it's obvious that they are so afraid of writing wrongly these characters to not damage the memory of Miura that they refrained from writing dialogue completely which is negatively affecting the story and characters in consequence.they should just forget about Miura for a moment and focus on give the manga a proper conclusion.
People doing apologetics, justifying the shitty writing and artwork for the morislop should be ashamed, you have such horrible taste, disgusting slobs.
>>288765402It wasn't really on hiatus. His pace was just really slow.
>>288759381How? You won't elaborate because you're a fucking tourist.
>>288759316why people bother with this, author is dead, is it really that hard for people to let go?
>>288767445I like it.
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>>288767328Totally consistent in character
>>288767328Good ol stoic guts
Where can I read all the shit that has come out since Miura died I have not been paying attention.
I miss stoic badass Guts who had no feelingsThis lame Guts with feelings is out of character and makes me regret I ever admired him
>>288767720Volumes 42 and 43, of course!
>>288767724That's a dishonest, false equivalency. Have fun playing this game with yourself while the new chapters deteriorate in quality more and more, while it more or less stains the rest of the series, even tho it is literally fan fiction written by an opportunistic hack.
Guts should've just roped in the hold, it would've been less damaging to the story overall.
>>288767758The idea of Guts being upset is completely foreign to me. He was always this stone-cold badass that I could look upt to. Everything Andrew Tate says a man should be, fucking bitches and not giving a shit about anything.
>>288767767>Kills an innocent kid>Barely even reacts Keep grasping at straws retard, enjoy your slop
>>288766685I've got a piece of pork marinating in my fridge at home. If I die today, it'll rot away and spoil. Should I have rushed to eat it ASAP to avoid that risk of waste?
>>288767786I'm agreeing with you and you keep acting like I'm somehow not, it's really weird to get gaslit this transparently. Guts has always been stoic and not prone to emotion, we are in full agreement here.
>>288767807You should lose weight.
>>288767821I refuse.
>>288767836Yes, because you love trash and eating slop so much, and have no self respect or refined taste.
Just because you put everything back to how it went doesn’t mean it goes back to how it was
>>288767870You seem a little unhinged. Are you okay?
>>288767759He'd just break the rope
>guts "I WISH I WAS FREAKING DEAD IF NOT FOR KILLING GRIFFITH" berserk>nooo he has never been saderino???
>>288762519>Guts is carrying a behelitThen how is this related to the beast of darkness, and why did you bring it up? It can't turn him into apostle, his own choises can.>That's the shadow that he grapples withThe shadow of what? The shadows are separate entities now?>allegory and themes are also literalAnd you were wrong about all tho points you've brought up to try to prove the beast was real, while proving your reading comprehension to be on the level of a 9 yo. It's you who doesn't understand shit and prefers to live inside his headcanon bubble>this is a fantasy world where monsters are realOh, so there're monsters that exist, that means this particular mental image that looks like a monster but only exists inside Guts head, unlike every other we've seen, is also real. Nice logic here, pal
>>288759316I have’t read berserk in a loooooooong time and am getting back to it with the prestige editions prints. Without any spoilers, how far is the story to be finished? And i dont’ mean ’’will they finish it soon’’ cuz from what i understood they’re still slow as fuck, but is the story near its completion now? How many volumes /chapter do you expect we have left?
>>288767901How should I know bro...
>>288763702Kek
>>288767887Awwww who hurt you sweetie? It's okay, ugly fatty.
>>288767901How the fuck is anyone supposed to know that?
>>288763753Moricucks do be like that than talk about how how the beaast of darkness is real, Guts wasn't supposed to be born and Chich proves Guts was special since birth despite the fact most people can see elves
>>288767903>>288767910Idk, maybe a clear ’’final boss antagonist’’ is now obvious or it’s obvious that we’re entering the final(s) arc(s), or every question has been answered, oran interview said we,re at 90% something, like in one piece
>>288767951No
>>288767951One Piece has been 5 years from ending for 15+ years
>>288767983Kek okay, idk i dont read op but everyone is like ’’this is the final wars’’ so i thought it was close to finish
>>288763923>He is not a chosen one or anti chosen oneHe's the only one who's born with the crucial magical advantages like that, so he is. Your semantics don't matter>Being born in the intersticeDidn't happen in the actual manga>fucked him up his whole lifeIt doesn't work like that>he reunited with a part of him that’s been missing, that child like version of himselfWhy was it missing? Interstice doesn't split your being in two. Was knowing his birth is the reason he could reunite? Skull Knight did know and told him that before>That’s just a shitty thing that happened to him>Shit just happens, dude. Don't ask questionsYeah, ok>This is about Guts as a character and a person How is this about his character? What does it change narratively despite completely contradicting the previous events?
>>288767901They're going to drag it out as long as possible. As long as they're making money the humiliation will never end.
>>288766957>so afraid of writing wrongly these characters to not damage the memory of MiuraTthey simply can't write. And they've already put a stinking pile of shit on top of Miura's legacy, so your theory is wrong
>>288767901Mori said less than 10 years. Providing they do not make 9 months long breaks a habit.
>>288768073>This hack cocksucker who stumbled on to an infinite money glitch said "uuuuhh soon I swear" For sure
>spirituality of life and death has been a heavily recurring theme the more Berserk became fantastical>We've known about the extraordinary circumstances of Guts's birth for ages >"NOOOO WHAT DO YOU MEAN GUTS IS SPECIAL DUE TO HIS BIRTH!?"Grade school levels of reading comprehension
>>288767951Miura once said that Fantasia would be the last arc and estimated the story to be about 70-80% complete. But this doesn't really mean much because he was a sprawling writer. The Golden Age was supposed to be a short flashback.
>>288768109>Darth vader was always a whiney faggot>Han always shot first >Luke was always a coward bitch This is what you're doing
>>288768119Retard.
>>288767891The chapter confirmed that Guts has ALWAYS been in the interstice so his beast has ALWAYS been of the astral realm aka it is and has always been a supernatural entity. There has never been a moment of Guts' life that his inner demons have not been real to the universe of Berserk because that fierceness is what he draws upon for his incredible feats.
>>288763280>>288763345You idiots keep ignoring the times he just blatantly reused pngs of his characters in multiple panels at the elf island.
>>288768109>spirituality of life and deathOooooh, so deep, bro. You are so versed. Let's forget that both life and death lie completely within the grips of causality>We've known about the extraordinary circumstances of Guts's birth for agesAnd it was never anything improtant until now. A bit strange isn't it?>Grade school levels of reading comprehension>Look, mom, I'm projecting againg!>>288767933
>>288768143>The chapter confirmedIt's a fanfic. It can't confirm anything>Guts has ALWAYS been in the intersticeThe actual manga states the opposite. With the clear text. You would know if you've ever read it>inner demons = literal demonsSo this is the power of moricucks>because that fierceness is what he draws upon for his incredible feats.>he's stronk and angwy that means that the demon actually existsEvery argument is better than the last one
So is it inevitable Guts will have to become an apostle become the Beast of Darkness?
I don't care about post-Miura Berserk and I wasn't interested in Berserk post-Eclipse (I couldn't care less about Casca and her damsel ass), but people are taking it as Guts is the chosen one when it's the opposite, he was never supposed to exist.
>>288768234Actually guts using the astral power of the interstice will get a super cool power up that makes his hair change color, also he will defeat Griffith using the power of friendship spirit. It was actually foretold by miura in this panel.
>>288768327It's because of this page people started being annoying, see >>288760171
>>288768327>chosen one when it's the opposite, he was never supposed to existIn a universe where every human is bound by fate, being unbound by fate bacause of your birth makes you a chosen one or an equivalent of one, if you care so much about semantics>he was never supposed to existMoricuck...
Please for the love of fucking God someone please just end the nightmare. Miura is dead, Berserk is dead. None of this is canon. I wont take it if this ends with Guts killing Griffith with the power of friendship. Fucking disgrace and a complete bastardization to the themes of Berserk.
>>288768234I’ve shitposted it years before that Guts is destined to become a hellhound that will be stuck fighting in hell. Seems like this is going to be true in some way.
>>288768445>themes of Berserk.Such as?
>>288759982I assume this is Guts's Ragna the Blood edge redemption arc.
>>288768073I fucking hope the ghost of Miura visits him and chokes him for making this atrocious continuation.
>>288768445>Guts killing Griffith with the power of friendshipGuts will kill Griffith with the newfound power of his special birth. Is it better?
>>288760097This little shit helped ruin the series, never needed a Shonen kid element to the series.
>>288768459>depths of human nature>history and the spiral of fate>religion.
>>288768423I don't know where this thing about Guts being "unbound" by fate comes from.All that was ever said is that he can defy it and potentially change small details which gives him an advantage against the God Hand, who can envision the grand scheme at play but not necessarily every little detail of it, since they're not actually gods.
>>288768482I would rather prefer it if he pulls a Shin Angyo Oshi end to the villain rather than Guts summoning the spirit of his friends for a power boost to defeat the villain.
>>288768512>I would rather prefer it if he pulls a Shin Angyo Oshi end to the villainMiura already said that wouldn't happen. Guts will get a "happy" ending because of how much shit he's been put through as a character. Of course it won't be that happy because of how much he's lost but the best under the circumstances.
>>288768495Idolmaster broke Miura from his edgy phase. If I could go back in time one time, I would have slapped the shit out of Miura when he started becoming obsessed with Idolmaster.
>>288768504Power of friendship is also a theme in this story.
>>288768529He didnt. He only said it was possible. It could still be a bad ending or a good ending depending on what Miura had in mind during that time.
>>288768562He literally says there that he doesn't think he could let the story end like that. It's pretty obvious he was becoming more of a positive vibes guy as he aged anyways, with all the light hearted gags added in.
>>288768423>In a universe where every human is bound by fate, being unbound by fate bacause of your birth makes you a chosen one or an equivalent of oneThe Berserk universe clearly set up the godhands as the chosen ones, they're the very expression of causality itself. Guts goes in the complete opposite direction, as someone who should have died from the get go, he isn't bound by fate and instead is free to forg his own path. There's a massive leap from being a chosen one to being an anomaly.
>>288768478Instead Mori is living rent free in your head day and night poking at whatever serves as a brain.
>>288768509>I don't know where this thing about Guts being "unbound" by fate comes fromFrom Morikeks>All that was ever said is that he can defy it and potentially change small detailsRight. But the important thing is why he can do it. And the manga is not vague about this at all
>>288768581>”With a grim ending like say having him die suddenly”Please learn how to read. He didnt specifically say that he was going to have the ending be “happy” its just that he is undecided. Who the fuck knows what Miura considers as a good ending or a bad ending. For all we know Guts defeats Griffith but at the cost of his own life is the good ending or Guts just gives up and finally accepts that its better to let go of hatred and desire for revenge.
>>288768594MORI GET OUT OF MY HEAD REEEEEE BERSERK ENDED WHEN THEY GOT OFF THE BOAT.
>>288768623If Guts dies, I don't see how that's not a grim ending. Like, he's literally doing it all to protect Casca and live a life with her. He's not some hero who wants to put an end to Griffith to save the world at the cost of his own life or anything. That's never been him. He just wants to be rid of Griffith who obviously will always get between him and Casca and will never let him live in peace.
>>288767767This kinda thinking is why Trump and Maga are the ones ruining the world, and Andrew Tate is a faggot aka Charlie Kirk, take you fake masculinity incel ass to church?
>>288768623Also Guts already gave up on revenge in favor of restoring Casca's mind and living with her. But you can't have peace with Griffith.
that shit has become so fucking gay. Berserk died with Miura. May he rest in peace
>>288768234Until this point Guts only knew of two paths to power, one via the Godhand that he loathes to become an apostle, which the beast has tempted him with in despair. The other path is of the berserker armor, and that path is now being closed off because of his declining health and increasing debilitation. Once Guts' physicality began to fail him he started getting intrusive thoughts again about the behelit. The stage after the berserker armor is to get his soul shoved into armor like skull knight. Thematically neither of these are the correct path for Guts since even the strongest apostle ever, Ganishka, was nothing but a tool for the Godhand, and Skull Knight also achieved fucking nothing after spending about a millennia trying to accrue some tricks to challenge the Godhand. The intervention of Flora and possibly other astral entities in the near future will mean that the beast of darkness can be utilized in a different way that lets it be expressed without overwhelming Guts. I think that Guts is going to get rejuvenated into a bestial warrior who doesn't need the berserker armor. >gets new beast eye and arm to replace his human ones>evocative of berserkers wearing pelts into battle
>>288768716her ass is going to be enormous when she grows up
>>288768716
>>288768662Well you clearly dont know what a grimdark ending is. Who said Guts is some hero? Guts has never let go of his hatred for Griffith, he always wanted revenge and closure. Casca is just a convenient reason for him to continue on living. Elf island was about him contemplating on giving up his hatred and settling for a peaceful life but he realised that both him and Griffith are always going to be intertwined by fate just like Skull Knight is with Void. It will only end with one of them being dead or both of them dying.
>>288768730I hope so
>>288759316>Guts is in some special place totally closed off from the outside world>there's nothing to do here but look inside yourself>some magic elf queen bitch starts talking to him in his headI hated this chapter and thought it was stupid even before I reached the end which was the turd cherry on top.
>>288759316Truth nuke
>>288768716>>288768766
>>288768583>The Berserk universe clearly set up the godhands as the chosen onesChosen to become God Hand members, yes. Like every man is chosen to become what he becomes>Guts goes in the complete opposite directionThis extreme opposite is what makes him ultra special just because he was born this way. Did you even read the post you're replying to?>who should have diedAccording to who? He plays a major role in the prophecy. His birth was natural, it was nothing special and didn't play any role before this chapter
>>288768837Guts started thinking about the past and it invited her to help elucidate his past. Sure that might be wonky but Guts does not know how to fix himself, especially since he's in a depressive fugue state.
>>288763574i fuarking kneel
>>288768718So between the choices of being an apostle or a revenant, he'll become an asura.
>>288768893Why are you dickriding this Mori narrative?
>>288768228Kek you lost big time champ
>>288768925It's good and mostly makes sense to me as someone who has liked Berserk for 18 years.
>>288768837>elf queen
>>288768850Cute feet
>>288767888Serpico is further away from the perspective than Guts in that image.
>Guts is literally Kaiba fighting against evil Atem>pajeet mhafag feels treatened thinking Guts is now a manly o my seven quirks and spergs out>despite no mention of chosen one or fate or whatever this chapter and Griffith being said to be the actual chosen one multiple timesNever change, shitpost kun. You will be missed when you finally have your final melting
>>288768804Getting revenge on Griffith hasn't been a major goal to Guts for decades of the manga's existence now.If he kills Griffith it's because he has to, not because he's indulging in some revenge fantasy.
>>288766340Who cares?
>>288769007>for decades of the manga’s existenceProbably because the manga spent most of that decade being in hiatus tourist.
>>288768955>gets obliterated with facts>y-you lostSo this is the power of morikeks... I kneel...
>>288769072>gets obliterated with factsIndeed you did. Glad to hear you see it.
>>288768718>in the end , i’ve truly become BERSERKBRAVO MORI! BRAVISSIMO!
>>288768999trips of truth
>>288769027well Guts also spent all that time not caring about Griffith at all. revenge just isn't a major theme for him anymore, it's now about necessity.Griffith has shown himself to be a guy who will never leave him alone. He's got to go. But if Guts dies in the process, it's really a failure on his part because his goal is to just live a decent life with family and friends, rather than take out Griffith.Griffith only needs to be taken out because he constantly gets between that
>>288769078>n-no, youHoly shit... Another geniuos response by morikek... My knees... can no longer take it...
>>288769140I accept your kneeling.
>>288769143Thank you, oh based morikek. You've won the internets today
>>288769158True.
>>288766340>it's unearnedNigga he literally said fuck you to fate and borned himself into the world. Then again surviving the eclipse. How is it not earned?
>>288769226>he literally said fuck you to fate...and did everything accoridng to it's plan>borned himself into the worldHoly fuck. He's basically Jesus-tier at this pont
>>288759414>>288759547Is Berserk even worth reading? What chapter is this on? Looks like dogshit.
>>288768850
>>288769307It is great if you like lolis, shotas and star wars jokes
>>288768893>it invited her to help in a place where she cannot possibly be as per its description yeah, noyou're retarded it's even worse than that honestly because not only does it break the logic of the scene, it does so to explain the new plot device at youit couldn't be more inorganic
>>288769307Just so you know, this is the stuff that people will tell you is the greatest manga of all time >>288769449and this is the stuff they will tell you is a raped fanfic with no value to it>>288759968
>>288769324>>288769449
>>288769495>>288769449This has to be fucking fake. I'm on conviction arc right now, there's no way that this is the same manga, right?
>>288769530It is. Miura works in mysterious ways. In 2013 he took a break from Berserk just to make a new single-volume manga called Gigantomakhia that was about a guy whose loli companion heals him by peeing on him
>>288769495disingenuous nigger
>>288769570You loved loliserk and starwarserk but hate moriserk
>>288769516Based Miura
>>288768029>He's the only one who's born with the crucial magical advantages like thatNot really, witches tend to be born conected to the IntersticeBut anyway, this didn't lead him to the oath he is right now, nothing could have orevented him from just becoming a farmer.
>>288768423>being unbound by fate bacause of your birth makes you a chosen one or an equivalent of one, if you care so much about semanticsChosen by who?
>>288769626By uuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhc-causality?
>>288769516
>>288769654Grunbeld's daughter needs correction...
>>288769324I like girls with big hats
When does Berserk become shit? Is it worth reading past that point?
>>288769599correct.
>>288769720It never goes to total shit.
>>288769599Jokes on you, I like all of them
>>288769720Never
>>288769809How about all of this? >>288759414>>288759547It looks terrible. Berserk should NOT have pop culture references.
>>288769835Why?
>>288769626>or an equivalent of one, if you care so much about semantics
>>288769835Well, it has them. Puck has been referencing all kinds of stuff from way back.
>>288769844It’s a dark fantasy manga. For fucks sake, it’s about a man who had everything taken from him, and has to live on hell on earth just to protect the woman he loves. Like I said, I’m only on conviction, so I don’t know what goes on later in the story, but this doesn’t fit Berserk’s tone at all.
I'm worried that Gutts' and Griffith are going to fuse
>>288769835Bruh... Berserk has been inundated with pop culture references since the beginning. The fucking Godhand are named after old sci-fi novels for God's sake
>>288769871It has those since the early parts. Its just silly humor brosk.
>>288769871Well maybe you're just retarded, didya ever think of that?
>>288769915kek
>>288769915I hate comic relief in stories.
>>288769959Well guess you're shit out of luck because Kentaro Miura absolutelty adored it. After he died that stuff pretty much disappeared from the fanfic continuation that is Moriserk.
>>288769848How is that equivalent? Not being bound by fate means he couod be a secluded priest right now or opening his asshole on taverns. Whatever path he is right now is the one he choose.
>>288769871See this image? This is the first appearance of the Godhand. This is pretty fucking early Berserk. Let's count out some of the popculture references in it:>the background is Escher's iconic impossible staircase, anyone should recognize this one>the appearances of the Godhand greatly resemble the Cenobites from Clive Barker's Hellraiser, Ubik with his glasses and fat face especially>Femto's helmet is from Brian de Palma's movie Phantom of ParadiseHere's a word for you to learn: intertextuality.
>>288770027bet she's more interested in intersexuality
>>288770027And Slan is a novel by A.E. van Vogt, Ubik is a novel by Philip K. Dick, and Void looks like the aliens from Mars Attacks.
>>288769995>How is that equivalent? Not being bound by fate meansThat he's unlike any character. One out of billions. And all due to his birth and not his deeds>Whatever path he is right now is the one he choose.Too many coincidenses he's been choosing exactly what was needed of him by the big bad guys controlling every man's fate
>>288770116I was about to say Mars Attacks came out after Berserk but then I remembered it was trading cards before the movie, so that checks out too
>>288770127> he's been choosing
Are the elves and white magic witches finally dead? I dropped it when the series stopped with the plot progression and had more screentime of random bitches the panderloli than any of the other characters save for Guts maybe. Maybe I should pick this up again. Tragically, the last few chapters Miura drew before he died and the fan sequel afterwards both look way better than any of the things Miura has drawn between 2010 and few months before his death. Maybe mangaka should just allow themselves to take proper breaks and draw something completely different sometimes. I doubt that I could draw the same series for 30 years straight without losing my soul over it.
>>288770027It’s not nearly on the nose, and it’s taking itself seriously.
>>288770187They're not dead but they're not annoying anymore either. Puck is back to how he was at the start of the series. Guts has been mostly catatonic.
>>288770034Nigger. Kill yourself, I bench 325.
>>288770225What you meant to say was>it doesn't count if I don't recognize it as a reference
>>288760154She looks exactly like Griffith, just with tits
>>288770127>That he's unlike any character. One out of billionsHe already was >And all due to his birthConsidering his genetics he already was >And all due to his birth and not his deedsNot being bound by fate means he couod be a secluded priest right now or opening his asshole on taverns. Whatever path he is right now is the one he choose.>Too many coincidenses he's been choosing exactlyHe is going against people that can manipulate reality and people bound by fate. They can railroad the path pretty well, but we all know that they won't do it well enough as they are likely going to lose in the end.
What would having part of his being in the interstice even do? Witches have their astral bodies they use to dive into that shit but it's not like they can do that much. But maybe I just don't remember, those chapters take way too long to come out.
>>288769720After the tower, you can tell Miura had no idea what to do so he added lolis, sidekicks for guts and puck became a doodle at the margins
>>288770147Is Conrad named after Conrad Hotels, which were in turn named after Conrad Hilton? Is naming characters after hotels a reference to Excel Saga?
>>288770392Wiki tells me it's "Call Me Conrad" by Roger Zelazny.
>>288770267>He already wasBy being the protagonist. Making up a literal inside universe explanation for it is shonenshit-tier, let alone the fact this explanation is conficlting with the previously established lore>Considering his genetics he already wasThere are many people with better genetics than him. His training (and latter the brand) is what made him the strongest>he couod be a secluded priest right now or opening his asshole on tavernsBut he didn't. How is this even an argument?>He is going against people that can manipulate realityNow he is going. But the whole point of the debate is whether he's been doing it from birth, dum-dum
>>288759381Cope
>>288759316I'm all for the pacing being picked up. I loved Miuras work and feel that his chapters were indeed better, but let's face it if he were still running the show Guts and the team would still be on the Seahorse on their way to Kushan with maybe 9 chapters between 2021 and now.
>>288759956>>288759968>>288759982>>288759996Absolutely kino
>Griffith sacrificed his friends to save himself>Guts sacrificed his body to save his friendsIt fucking RHYMES.
>>288770267>Considering his genetics he already wasYou're being intentionally obtuse if you don't see a difference between amazing genetics and being magically blessed. It's the difference between a self-made millionaire and someone that inherited daddy's money.
>>288761210>Drug userOpinion utterly disregarded and I'd appreciate the 30 seconds I spent reading your post returned to me.
>>288761210Moriposting was funnier
Godhand are chosen while Guts is born special
>>288769530Digital era Berserk is almost a different manga.
>>288768837>magic elf queenStupid speedreading retard.
>>288769915Kinda funny considering there's way darker manga than berserk. Puck is way better when he was written as guts conscience instead of comic relief so was the manga. It was better when it was full on edgy.
What is the dog?
>>288771377Guts' other half that has existed in the astral realm all along
>>288769530Berserk transitions several times. It started out edgy, went to very tragic, turned more lighthearted through the power of friendship, sudden drop to grimdark horror and then very slow and methodical transition towards lighthearted through the power of friendship again.
>>288771559How would you assign each of these to the different arcs?
>>288769871>this doesn’t fit Berserk’s tone at all.The grimdark horror is really only a small part of Berserk. Miura told a story about the deepest depths of hell and healing, or at least moving on from them, through companionship. That's already the essence of the golden age. The difference between golden age and his new companions is that Guts was still very self centered so the interactions we see with the Band of the Hawk are largely superficial. His companions aren't really explored that well. Once he finds new companions there is a much larger focus on them, their contributions to Guts and his contributions to their growth. I believe that Miura wanted to show with this that Guts has learned not to take the people he loves for granted but to appreciate them much more actively. More like a family rather than just acquaintances.
>>288771718Oh hey, a smart person who actually gets it. Amazing.
>>288771559>edgyBlack swordman up to snake baron>went to very tragicThe fat apostle and his daughter>Turned more lighthearted through the power of friendshipGolden age>sudden drop to grimdark horror Eclipse to lost children>and then very slow and methodical transition towards lighthearted through the power of friendship againConviction onwards
>>288770245yeah you bench 325 dicks in your mouth
>>288770483>By being the protagonist.What kind f stupid reasoning is this. You accept this and not "Guts could choose his path"? >Making up a literal inside universe explanation for it is shonenshit-tierWhy Your argument is:>"THERE SHOULDN'T BE A REASON FOR WHY MY STRONG ANGRY PROTAG CAN DO SUPERHUMAN FEATS, HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE SUPERHUMAN HUMANLY"This is not exactly "mature". Hell, even if Guts was a "chosen one" - which he isn't techncally - this is a trope that has existed for thousand years in all sort of genres. >There are many people with better genetics than him.Not really, at least not since the Eclipse where his biggest strenght feats are. > His training (and latter the brand) is what made him the strongestNothing contradicts it. >But he didn't. How is this even an argument?Because you are attempting to downplay his training. If he is a good swordman and fighter, its because he choose to be, not because he was predertermined to be . For some reason this makes the beta rage. EVEN - if he was always magically enhanced since birth (because Miura seems to point that he definitly was later on) - this only happened because his extreme trainign and will to become stronger, because this is how magic works in this setting.>Now he is going. But the whole point of the debate is whether he's been doing it from birth, dum-dumNo, this reply is to you claiming that "everything worked just fine", my point is that this is more like a chess game where a bishop piece is trying to outmaneuver an entire chess board and your enemy is also playing the other pieces of your side.
>>288771758Kino. One of my favorites.
>>288771694The black knight beginning. Guts childhood. Him getting attached to the Band of the Hawk. Eclipse and conviction. Him growing attached to his new companions.>>288771758The grimdark stuff is fantastic and I love it but people have a big misconception about it.>>288771822That fits as well.
>>288771822>no one remember the best arc (lost children)
>>288771758Spoiler the image, faggot
A youtuber I watch who was adamant about the beast being schizo got asked if the beast is really Gut's other half and he said nothing. Magicbros winning
>>288772157Why? It's from before you were born, lmao
>>288772250What does that matter?
>>288772303So it doesn't constiute a spoiler by any means. Why would you even single out that image when there's a dump of the newest chapter of the manga right in the thread? The hell is wrong you retard?
I love it
>>288771758Why were Pippin, Judeau, Corcus and even fucking Gaston so much more likeable than the new group despite having a fraction of the panel time?
>>288772904They weren't. You don't give a shit about any of those three.
>>288772904They weren't, pippin, corcus and Gaston didn't even have any personality.
>>288771846>You accept this What's difficult with accepting the fact that Guts is strong by the virtue of being the protag of an action manga? And his strength didn't have and doesn't require some magical inuniverse explanation, when you look at other characters in the same manga>and not "Guts could choose his path"?Because he couldn't by the manga internal logic >This is not exactly "mature"That's your plebeian tastes speaking>which he isn't techncallyYeah "technically">this is a trope that has existed for thousand years in all sort of genres.And was tired to death and is constantly criticized in many works>Nothing contradicts it.It even makes the retcon redundant and unnecessary>he choose to be, not because he was predertermined to beEverything in his life was predetermined just like in everyone else's lives>you are attempting to downplay his training>if he was always magically enhanced since birthThat's what moricucks believe, not me. I don't get your point>"everything worked just fine"Not "just fine", but exactly how it was preplanned for decades. And Guts was in that plan all along playing the most crucial role. You would know this if you've read the manga with your eyes and not your ass>this is more like a chess game where a bishop piece is trying to outmaneuver an entire chess board and your enemy is also playing the other pieces of your sideSee above. He didn't "outmaneuver" shit. In fact any choice he could have made differently would completely obliterate the prophecy. But it was never an option. Gods don't gamble. If Guts was such a wildcard, they would kill him, replace his with someone else or shape Griffith's fate completely differently. But they didn't because Guts was in their full control
>>288772501Because fanfic is different from the actual story?
>>288770027Oh shit the Godhands live in the Backrooms.
>>288766627Wait really? Did nu-/a/ really never read Holyland?
>>288772904I think the Band of the Hawk felt like actual people, while the new group feel like anime characters. They were more grounded.
>>288771822I dare say that Dark Souls is Conviction Berserk specifically.Dragon's Dogma is Fantasia's Berserk.And no video games will ever be Lost Children's Berserk or rape Berserk (Wyald).
>>288773285I read the begining. Is it good?
>>288773349What is black souls?
>>288773354It's good, has an amazing final act and ending
>>288773349Elden Ring is fantasia, Dragons Dogma is Golden age with monsters
>>288771825Kek, ended that fag
>>288772904They had a solidified role to play in the story instead of just being parked there for le friendship fanserviceI don't like Farnese, Serpico, Farnese's brother, Roderick, Azan or even Schierke, they are all extremely flat characters and are boring beyond belief while also contributing nothing to the story
>>288773285Suicide Island is even getting an official English release, Mori's not some obscure nobody
>>288773285I read the storytime and it was extremely mid.
>>288773484I don't like Isidro either and the Isma arc was cute but like what's the pointKind of weird to transition from "there's no paradise for you to escape to" to "yeah everyone can join my band because I guess we need a replacement Strong Woman to tag along since Casca is retarded now"
>>288773524It's almost like Guts had been on edge, hurt and keeping up his guard due to what happened to him and slowly learned to trust people again...
>>288773132>Guts is strong by the virtue of being the protag of an action mangaThis guys best argument is still "I've watched dragon ball once "
>>288773647>slowly learned to trust people again...That's just not interesting if it happens in the middle of the story. That's something you close the story out with.
This guy's >>288773674 only argument is still "But he would totally be dead in real life though"
>>288773676What a completely random and arbitrary rule to come up with! Looking at some real litteramature, for example Les Miserables, Jean Valjean undergoes his change from a desperate criminal to a kind man near the start of the book.
>>288773725What other character in the manga can survive this and proceed to win?
>>288773755He would
How is anyone in denial at this point?
>>288773755I would irl
>>288773805I agree. How can anyone deny something written in a plain text?
>>288773793Nah
>>288773755I'd win.
>>288773875>guts wyald 3.png That's supposed to be impressive? Anyone can do it irl
>>288773755He would also. He has an expierince fighting stronger apostles
>>288773793>he is taller than Guts it means he can survive that
>>288774073If he'd take one hit from Wyald he'd turn into a corpse so mangled even Berserk would censor it.
>>288773755I'm too lazy to look at what you guys' argument is, so I'm just replying as-is. No other normal human, even Silatt and the tapasa, could. Guts is a god among men, and that's what makes him cool.However, if he was never human to begin with, but some magical being, then it's a different story. Zodd, Rakshas, Irvine, Locus, Ganishka, any high-tier apostle like Borkoff would curb-stomp Wyald. Flora and any of the Elfhelm gurus would not fight him directly and would just fucking obliterate him by summoning some spirit.
>>288774136That's the thing. He wouldn't take any hits.
>>288773845Bruh Miura admited that he made stuff as he went and changed stuff all the time. He simply changed his mind.
>>288774151Right, I should have specified normal human, sorry. The guys argument is Guts was only special after he got branded. Mine is that he is basically a mage by birth who enhances himself unconsciously. Both arguments are virtually the same "Will affects the mortal realm" except he doesn't like an in universe explanation.>>288774185>dexfags be like
>>288774189Uh, no. He changed his plans, he did not contradict what he already wrote. If he did, he would be a shit writer and Berserk would be shit.
>>288774189How could he change his mind after being dead? Otherwise there haven't been any cases of him breaking his own lore
>>288774258Are you not aware that this is made based on his ideas?
>>288774088No, he was fighting Guts head-to-head and almost won before Guts cheated
>>288773132>What's difficult with accepting the fact that Guts is strong by the virtue of being the protag of an action manga?That's childish.>Because he couldn't by the manga internal logicNow you are on full denial of the katest chapter>That's your plebeian tastes speakingLmao>"HE SHOULD BE DOING LITERALLY MAGIC, BUT IT SHOULD LIKE, NOT BE MAGIC. ITS JUST HIS WILLLLLL - (ignore that will is the key to magic in the setting)">And was tired to deathSince when? > and is constantly criticized in many worksIronically the only chosen one here is Griff, while Guts is the opposite.>It even makes the retcon redundant and unnecessary>"ITS OKAY FOR GUTS TO BE A CHOSEN ONE (MY WORDS) IF HE BECOMES IT ON HIS 20S, BUT NOT SINCE BIRTH">Everything in his life was predetermined just like in everyone else's livesNew chapter confirms it wasn’t the case>Not "just fine", but exactly how it was preplanned You don't get how it works. Had guts not taken part on it, Griff would have get fucked anyway. For the plan to work Griff just needs to be seething in the pit of despair.>He didn't "outmaneuver" shit.The story isn't over tho.
>>288774292>Are you not aware that this is made based on his ideas?I'm aware of these false statements which can be proven wrong by the sheer fact that the continuation has been constantly contradicting the established lore on the most fundamental level. There's no reason to assume this chapter is any different
>>288770225Miura has always lifted stuff from 80s american movies, he was a closet westaboo
>fanfiction
>>288774456>>288774473>schizophrenic episode
>>288774454>that's childishAccepting a fictional work for what it is is childish?>Now you are on full denial of the katest chapterIt's the fanfic that is in denial of the manga>HE SHOULD BE DOING LITERALLY MAGIC, BUT IT SHOULD LIKE, NOT BE MAGIC. ITS JUST HIS WILLThat's how it works. Guts barely subconsciously makes himself stronger due to the brand/the interstice. He never learns the actual magic and is not magical in nature. Again you would know this if you read the manga>Since when?Before we were born at the very least>Ironically the only chosen one here is Griff, while Guts is the opposite.Retarded semantics again. And if Griff is chosen, how come Guts is by far the most babysitted by God Hand character according to your own logic. If anything the universe revolves around Guts, so his choices don't affect the prophecy>ITS OKAY FOR GUTS TO BE A CHOSEN ONE (MY WORDS) IF HE BECOMES IT ON HIS 20S, BUT NOT SINCE BIRTHIt's okay for Guts to exist outside of fate after being branded and saved by Skull Knight from the Eclipse. My preferences don't matter, it's just the facts about the story>New chapter confirms it wasn’t the caseNew chapter can't confirm anything as it is a pure fanfiction>You don't get how it works.Nice projection>Had guts not taken part on it, Griff would have get fucked anyway. Read my posts again. Nothing would work without Guts. He was a part of it since the beginning>For the plan to work Griff just needs to be seething in the pit of despair.In the exact time, in the exact place, in the exact mindset to sacrifice his comrades. All of which Guts provided>The story isn't over tho.The Golden Age arc we were arguin about is though
>>288773845Watsonian explanation is that skull knight is not omniscient and was wrong / Flora has more knowledge about fate and causality and shitDoylist explanation is that Miura changed his mind later or that he's dead and the people continuing decided to change it
>>288774765>It's okay for Guts to exist outside of fate after being branded and saved by Skull Knight from the Eclipse>Im okay with chosen one if it happens on his 20s
>>288774875>You were born from death thus you excel at escaping itAt the very latest Miura knew exactly at this point what magic system he wants to use and how Guts relates to it
>>288774875>skull knight is not omniscient>le unreliable narrator who was proven righit 99% of times but not that time that shatters my new headcanon>Flora has more knowledge about fate and causality and shitFlora could have told this information to him or, even better, to Guts himself, if that was so important, but she didn't. Instead to power up Guts she gave him the armor using which includes major risks
>>288775085>le skull knight is always right>spends years gathering behelits to make le ultimate sword>thinks his behelit sword can kill griffith>doesn't do shit and just causes fantasia
>>288775218>let's forget all the lore knowledge and proven with time prophecies he provided and focus on that one time he underestimated a god
>>288775218maybe long term it works out in his favor
Guts being special spits in the face of who he is and what he represents. If you don't understand that you never liked Berserk. We're not turning this shit in Chainsaw Man. Berserk ended when Miura died.
>>288775636This. I could totally kill monsters and win against 100 men by myself if I wanted to, I just don't feel like it.
>>288775819If you were really pissed off at the world and trained, sure.
>>288776015I could never kill someone. Not unless they pissed me off. - Trey Parker
>>288759381if Miura wrote this chapter, you'd be praising the foreshadowing
>>288759381People would be shitting on Miura just like they have been for everything post-Conviction arc these past few years.
>>288776050That's usually how it works. Are you stupid or something?
>>288776143I just thought it was a funny line, don't @ me
>>288776160
I can't wait for the meltdown next time.
>>288776469Next week :)
>>288760154Now edit this with a giant boner
I wonder what's going to happen to Guts now
>>288773755azan
>>288776687He's going to defeath the Seven Gods of Pirate and become the Hokage of Gourmet World or some shit
>>288766507Retards like you are why people think le chosen one bullshit
>>288776984NTA. Explain this please.>>288766479
>>288776469Fun times.
>>288766479>willed himself to be birthedJesus christ, literate literacy is at an all time low. Do you faggots think he's Yujiro or something?
>>288777128You mean something that didn't happened in the chapter?Thanks for the concession
>>288772904They weren't forced to be friends with Guts they naturally existed in the story, they weren't forcibly given "power ups" that constantly make them feel out of place. These characters always had the same consistent relevance but the new party regularly go from being staggeringly irrelevant to essential and back and forth.
>>288766479Now this is cope.>explicitly says he is the same as Griffith (who is a chosen one)Did Griffith will himself to be born too?
>>288767197Can you really blame them? I've been reading Berserk for over 20 years, for some people it's over 30. If I wasn't so exhausted from the endless waiting and disappointment I've be doing mental gymnastics to try and rationalize things too. I so want it to end well, it's a series I truly loved, but this new chapter/direction feels like a fundamental undermining of everything it was about.
>Born from a corpse>Inhuman strength and healing>Was seeing astral beings before he even met Griffith>"NOOOOOOOO GUTS ISNT SPECIAL"
>>288778103>HE SHOULD ONLY BE THE CHOSEN ONE AFTER A CERTAIN AGE, AT THAT POINT BEING THE CHOSEN ONE STOPS BEING BAD FOR ARBITRARY REASONS AND BECOMES GOOD
>>288769835>Berserk should NOT have pop culture references.Surely this bait can't succeed.
>>288767197Moricucks simply don't get it. Most of them picked Berserk up only after Miura passed so for them it's like, "ahhhhh look guys a new chapterrrrr!!!" When we all know the best days of Berserk have long long passed. It's complete cope to think Studio Gaga is doing this series any justice. I initially wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt since I enjoyed Duranki, but they're just tarnishing Miura's legacy at this point.
>>288778103>Born from a corpseThat could happen irl. The manga recognized this fact and it was treated as nothing more than an omen. No reason for it to make Guts super duper special. Especially since it wasn't brought up until now, despite being a known fact for the characters>Inhuman strength and healingNothing inhuman about it. And healing wasn't that OP until the branding and Puck>Was seeing astral beings before he even met GriffithFor the 1000th time, there's nothing special about seing elves. Most people can. Random rooks from the very first chapter could do it. Literally everyone up until the Binding Chain arc could do it. How can someone supposedly "read" the manga and still spew such ignorant bullshit?>>288778135>AT THAT POINT BEING THE CHOSEN ONE STOPS BEING BAD FOR ARBITRARY REASONS Being branded doesn't even come close to being chosen/anti-chosen one from birth. Being branded is a curse that had a positive side effect. It's balanced just like the berserker armor. You are constantly haunted by ghosts, have a booked cauldron in hell, but in return you have the not so OP benefits of living in the interstice. And there's the fact Guts and Casca weren't supposed to survive the Eclipse, Skull Knight saved them. Do you see the difference between a combination of a side effect + being saved by a character and some vague "universe" deciding to make a character special from birth?But you both ignore the main point. It contradicts the manga's established lore and story
>>288778604True
>>288778740Do you know why you fail to convince even a single anon? Because you keep on just insisting on your own words. Instead of drawing on the manga your arguments draw on your "authority". All of your posts read:>Trust me bro, you're wrong.
>>288778836>Instead of drawing on the manga your arguments draw on your "authority"What? I already did. >>288773845 I've brought up manga pages, countless facts about the story which everyone can check for themselves are true. They all are just coping and making up irrational excuses. Like explaining gravitation to a flat earther
>>288779036You've been told countless times why those pages and "facts" are insufficient to support your arguments to which you respond by going in circles and saying "Nuh uh". Even more egregiously many of your "arguments" rely on the reader having an insufficient understanding of the context of the scenes referenced. The post you link to as well as your insistence that Boscogn is somehow equal to Guts after their fight already concluded are just two of many examples.
>>288778740>+ being saved by a character and some vague "universe" deciding to make a character special from birthlmao Oh my God, you are so retarded anon. Somehow "getting a slightly increase in strenght" is good when its attached to a brand, but its bad and super OP and super Chosensy when it comes from birth. lmao. Don't you see your bias showing up? The brand also doesn't give him an increase in strenght just because its there, it gives him because of his will to fight. Which is not different from what is going on right now. And you still haven't pointed out who choose Guts. If nobody choose him then he is not a Chosen One, you are complaining about an entirely different trope but doesn't have the vocabulary or knowledge to actually know what is making you mad.
>>288779216>You've been told countless times why those pages and "facts" are insufficient to support your argumentsNo, I haven't. All I saw are copes about how Skull Knight can't be trusted, grasping at straws and nitpicking about the details. And when those are cleared out, they all go into the territory of complete headcanon and speculation>which you respond by going in circles and saying "Nuh uh"Quite the opposite. It's the ones arguing with me are going in circles so I have to repeat myself>the context of the scenes referencedLike what? What context makes Skull Knight's words false in the post I linked?>Boscogn is somehow equal to Guts after their fight already concludedBoscogn put up a good fight against Guts, despite also being human. What disingenuous about this fact?>many examples.Provide some more, because those didn't cut it
>next chapter>Gutts starts flossing >the manga ends foreverwwyd?
>>288779482>Somehow "getting a slightly increase in strenght" is good when its attached to a brand>And you still haven't pointed out who choose Guts. If nobody choose him then he is not a Chosen One>>288779216See? And you are accusing me of going in circles? They completely ignore the content of my posts
>>288779517>What context makes Skull Knight's words false in the post I linked?That no one has argued that Guts had lived in the interstice before being branded.>What disingenuous about this fact?That significant time has passed since then. Same as when you said in a previous thread that Griffith had beat Guts. It was already explained to you that "Being challenged =/= being special" is a strawman.The rest of your post is not worth responding to.>>288779555Because you are.
>>288779555When has you pointed out who choose Guts?The best you did was say "semantics", but the point remains clear that you have no idea what exactly about this triggers you. Articulate better without using "chosen one" as a buzzword and identify your real issue - because most stuff you complain are things that already existed on post-eclipse Guts, even tho you continously act like these tropes are inherently bad.
>>288779628>That no one has argued that Guts had lived in the interstice before being branded.>>288763923>Being born in the interstice >>288768143>Guts has ALWAYS been in the interstice>>288761141>The idea of Guts being born from a corpse definitely feels like something Miura was gonna use>>288766251>The chapter only show that as someone whose born from a corpse, he wasn't mean to exist in the first place and thus is outside of fate's control >>288767933>Guts wasn't supposed to be born >>288768327>he was never supposed to exist.I've probably missed a dozen more. And there were far more of them in the previous threads.>It was already explained to you that "Being challenged =/= being special"If he's challanged by mere humans 1vs1, how can he be special from BIRTH?>The rest of your post is not worth responding to.Because you can't. Now kys
>>288779640>The best you did was say "semantics"Because it is semantics, retardI'll quote my post from the previous thread>One in a billion chance to be born like him with the astral spoon up his ass, but at least he's not le chosen one. This makes it so much different>Instead we have "I was le born just like a god, I'm the only one who can harm him"And thank you for ignoring the rest of the arguments. I've accepted your concession for being unable to continue to defend 95% of the bullshit you've spewed up
>>288779628>That no one has argued that Guts had lived in the interstice before being branded.What do you think this moefag is arguing about?>>288770267>>288771846>>288774454>>288775008>>288779482>>288779640
>>288759316If Koji truly loved his friend, he would end Berserk and put it out of its misery. So much for besties.
>>288779769>>Guts has ALWAYS been in the intersticeGood job, you found one I guess. The rest of those aren't claiming that he lived in the interstice. The "born in the interstice" statements are supported by Skull Knight explicitly stating "You're born from death thus you excel at escaping it". Death and the Astral Realm are synonymous in Berserk and it is the source of magic. The claims about wether or not he existed outside of fate or wasn't supposed to be born are unsupported. We have no idea wether or not Guts was part of the plan or a rougue factor that had to be worked around. There's a strong argument that Griffith would have fell into despair regardless since his own ambition carried him along the way and Guts only acted as a supportive factor. Neither of those are important to wether or not Guts had special abilities due to his unusual birth.>If he's challanged by mere humans 1vs1, how can he be special from BIRTH?Growth, anon. Some are capable of it. Others aren't. I know you're autistic, anon. I know it's tough but I'm giving you a chance for self reflection here. Wether or not you use this as an opportunity to learn how to better communicate to have a genuine chance at some external validation, as a way to refine your arguments or ignore it entirely is of course up to you.
Who has true freewill?
>>288780059Chestnut Puck.
>>288780059azan as shown when he stopped everyone from crossing that bridge
>>288780047>There's a strong argument that Griffith would have fell into despair regardless since his own ambition carried him along the way and Guts only acted as a supportive factor.I guess I could elaborate on this since it's actually somewhat interesting. It is pretty reasonable to assume that he existed outside of fate and the IoE had to find a work around because Guts allowed Griffith to reach his goal without any sacrifices. With Guts Griffith was capable of killing the Queen and all his other enemies without repercussions. None of his other assets could have accomplished that. With time the king would have been pressured from numerous sides to finally find a husband for his daughter and Griffith would have undoubtedly been a prime candidate. The king's chance of going mad would have also been much less likely since the sudden shock of the betrayal wouldn't have occured. Without Guts Griffith likely would have had to rely on the Behelith for the last step in all cases. Wether or not Guts leaving was preordained or a lucky break for the IoE is of course pure speculation.
>>288774457Closet?
>>288780043It doesn't matter. Young Animal was going to exploit it anyway so he thought might as well be involved. It's fucked either way but Koji is the lesser of the two evils.
>>288780047>The rest of those aren't claiming that he lived in the intersticeThey are by the fact of defending the chapter that claims it. They just word it differently like Guts being born special or out of fate, which is the same thing in the context of the chapter>Skull Knight explicitly stating "You're born from death thus you excel at escaping it"There's nothing confirming his place in the interstice unlike the pages I've posted. The only thing it says is that Guts should be good at escaping death as if he's predestined to do so, which is quite the opposite of being born out of fate/the interstice. The rest is your speculations and headcanon>Death and the Astral Realm are synonymous in BerserkWhat? And YOU were accusing me of not backing up my arguments? Lmao>The claims about wether or not he existed outside of fate or wasn't supposed to be born are unsupported.Yes, but the opposite claims are>We have no idea wether or not Guts was part of the planYou don't, because you didn't read the manga >There's a strong argument that Griffith would have fell into despair regardless since his own ambition carried him along the way and Guts only acted as a supportive factor>>288773132>Not "just fine", but exactly how it was preplanned for decades. And Guts was in that plan all along playing the most crucial role. You would know this if you've read the manga with your eyes and not your ass>See above. He didn't "outmaneuver" shit. In fact any choice he could have made differently would completely obliterate the prophecy. But it was never an option. Gods don't gamble. If Guts was such a wildcard, they would kill him, replace his with someone else or shape Griffith's fate completely differently. But they didn't because Guts was in their full control>Neither of those are important to wether or not Guts had special abilities due to his unusual birth.Those "special abilities" would mean they wouldn't be able control him like an average mortal
>>288780330I see you chose to ignore my advice. Have fun, anon.
>>288780047>Growth, anonGrowth due to what? Training perhaps? He left Griffith to train and become the best swordsman in the world. His magic didn't increase since his previous fights with Griffith and Boscogn. It was never there in the first place
>>288780098>>288780151I agree.
>>288775008>Im okay with chosen one if it happens on his 20sThat's exactly the point. We watched the events of the story and how they led to him getting branded. The eclipse was foreshadowed, built up to, happened, and there were consequences. It's part of the narrative. Being born from a corpse is excellent set dressing but it's not narratively satisfying.
>>288780406It's called a "twist revelation". Something that happens in fiction, specially towards the endpoint.
>>288780769It's called an "asspull retcon ". Something that happens in shitty (fan)fiction, specially towards the endpoint.
Who knew he had special powers or was special before the reveal
>>288779886>One in a billion chance to be born like him with the astral spoon up his assBecause Guts could have done anything with his life. This doesn't make him a chosen one lmao. >I'm the only one who can harm him"He isn't tho. >And thank you for ignoring the rest of the arguments.You have no other arguments, apart from reafirming stuff when even Miura said that he change plots as he writes them.>being unable to continue to defend 95% of the bullshit you've spewed upAnon, I will be honest, I don't even think you understand why you are mad. >If he's challanged by mere humans 1vs1, how can he be special from BIRTH?This for example, is a retarded argument. > And Guts was in that plan all along playing the most crucial role. This is other retarded argument. Guts playing the part = Griff gets wrecked and becomes a demonGuts doesn't play the part = Griff gets wrecked and becomes a demon >His magic didn't increase since his previous fights with Griffith and Boscogn. It was never there in the first placeAlso dumb. We have a character commenting that Guts can perhaps tap on that magic to increase his strenght - it doesn't mean he has done it in every single fight, or with the same extend. Again, with willpower = magic in the setting, its a case of "if Guts is really fucking mad and determined in thid fight, he might become stronger". Its unironically closer to how d&d uses barbarian rage.
>>288780838It was the author's intention. By this very nature, no twist could ever happen from now til the end of the manga without being called a retcon. But even then, what if its a retcon?
Guts training arc next!
>>288781016>the autist is a narutard projecting his pains into others because he could never get over rock lee
>>288781016Correct!
>>288763702yes mori miuras best friend, hes not your friend sk fag, definitely just pulled this out of his ass. it definitely wasnt something miura, his best friend btw, discussed with him multiple times in detail.
>>288780954>Because Guts could have done anything with his life. This doesn't make him a chosen one lmao.>>288768423>In a universe where every human is bound by fate, being unbound by fate bacause of your birth makes you a chosen one or an equivalent of one>He isn't tho.What do you consider the point of this chapter's reveal?>Anon, I will be honest, I don't even think you understand why you are mad.Try to understand the manga first and you'll might understand what is wrong with the continuation, but this is unlikely given the level of your reading comprehension>This for example, is a retarded argument.>This is other retarded argument.I said I've already accepted you concession. You are no longer required to submit it>"unchosen" Guts playing the part = risk of the prophecy not coming true at every turn>"unchosen" Guts doesn't play the part = they come up with the entirely different plan or replace Guts with someone they can controlFTFY. And the fact is the prophecy is older than Guts, but it did inculde him>We have a character commenting that Guts can perhaps tap on that magic to increase his strenghtWhich she did while looking at the BRANDED Guts
>>288775636Guts has always been special (that's why Griffith recognized him) but the story has to take care to acknowledge that he's still human at the end of the day.So many of Guts's big moments are about him proclaiming his humanity in the face of overwhelming odds.I don't particularly care if he's special among humans because he's already almost 7 feet tall, has a giant magic sword and magic dwarven armor so no shit he's special. That's all fine, long as he doesn't turn out to be some demi god
>>288780995>It was the author's intentionHe's dead, Jim>no twist could ever happen from now til the end of the manga without being called a retcon.It just needs to not contradict the established lore to not be called a retcon>But even then, what if its shitty fanfic writing on top of the legacy of your favourite manga?Lol, I dunno
>>288780769The human brain LIVES to see patterns. When you surprise the reader with something they didn't see coming, there needs to be a lead-up to that revelation that seems obvious in hindsight.The eclipse comes out of left field, but the story has been teasing it the whole time. They show you the behelit, they show you supernatural entities, they show Griffith's motivations, and when everything comes together it's the culmination and resolution of 70-something chapters that you watched unfold.Pre- and post-eclipse hasn't built up his birth as anything more than a rough start to a rough life. Post-eclipse has been working with comradery, cooperation, adventuring, magical artifacts, people and events that are far bigger than the main character. To be satisfying, you would draw from one of those for the climax of your story. Berserker armor powerup, borrowing SK's behelit sword, power of friendship team-up fight, killing enough apostles that the dragonslayer becomes magical, learning godhand killing jutsu from someone powerful, the brand allowing Guts to overcome fate; any of these would fit the themes and resolve the story, some better than others.Imagine if Ashita no Joe culminated in Joe remembering something that happened off-screen before the story started and won the fight easily. It would be a wet fart ending at-odds with the rest of the narrative's themes of hard work, overcoming yourself, and self-destruction.
>>288759316Can someone explain to me what the interstice is?
Miura was just a pedophile and he tricked you into looking at naked boys, his last page was literally a naked boy he fapped a thousand times until his heart exploded YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS
>>288772904Men are always more likeable and relatable than women and brats.
>>288781938I challenge this, but only on the brats part. Kusogaki are very likable.
>>288772904nostalgia
>>288759316Can someone öink the thread with Miura's death announcement?
>>288769915>>288759547>>288759414>>288760097I love Berserk. One of my favorite mangs if not top ten media in general. It means a lot to me. Helped shape part of me. Provided things I needed for myself. When Miura died, I felt genuinely sad. Maybe not as much as someone who personally knew him, like a friend or lover would, but as much sadness as a fan grieving an author could feel. But the humor in Berserk post GA is undoubtedly, unquestionably, easily the WORST part of the series and genuinely brings it down, makes me cringe, and want to fucking yell at Miura for being a fucking moron every time I see it. Like it wouldn't be bad if it was funny. I wouldn't mind it. But it isn't. It's always the most mindless, cringe inducing, mood shattering, HORRIBLY executed gags and always drawn in some of the most unpleasant, ugly looking and unpleasant art Miura ever drew. It's a blatant insult to Miura himself to have included them because they're genuinely terrible, and every author has their weakness; humor is most certainly Miura's. Love Berserk, but jesus FUCKING christ he was an idiot for doing this so stupidly and never improving on it. It even follows into other works of his like Gigantomachia or whatever it was called. Rest in peace, but for fucks sake, you couldn't have learned how to be funny at least ONCE?
>>288782240I thought he did a decent job introducing some humor to a grim series for most of its existence, but he just lost his mind with isidro and chestnut puck. Like early puck and band of hawk shenanigans and the occasional guts jape at his absurd circumstances weren't so bad, it helped build rapport between those characters in a believable way.I don't think Berserk would've worked if it was 100% grim and edgy, it needed some levity, just not as much as it had later on
>>288781536>it doesn't matter if Guts' experience was authentic all along and there's no problem with this deeply retarded chosen one retconthe struggle is diminished by some hidden ability that was there from the start and which is responsible for his success idk how retards think they can argue this, Guts is the struggler and now we're being told actually he has some advantage from birth that enabled him this whole time lul this whole struggling shit is secondary it's bad writing
>>288782401I'll even go as far as to say I don't mind Isidro as a character, but it's clear that he's only in the story mainly as a brevity inducing character to balance Guts' darkness, which is fine, except he doesn't even go through much character development and feels like an afterthought for a majority of his time in the manga, which doesn't apply to other characters like Serpico, Schierke, Farnese. Even when Schierke has her moe moments, they're always tolerable; it's typically Isidro and Puck having the worst fucking moments in the series.
>>288782240My guy, mango is entertainment at the end of the day.That doesn't exclude being good, but it is primarily a form of entertainment.
>>288782596You're a bit stupid aren't you?
I was an avid defender of the art for, like, the first 2 chapters after the Griffith-crying one. But it's just so fucking bad. The long limbs and facial expressions are the worst part.Compare gut Soijack face here >>288760068 to this panel from the Golden Age.
For anyone who doesn't get it, Guts is going through the same thing as Bruno Bucciarati, but ten times worse. He was destined to die the day he was born, but somehow defied fate, and is now essentially living in a state between life and death.
>>288782677Two completely different things and you're actually dumb if you think they're the same.
>>288782766Explain. Both were fated to die, defied death, and are essentially walking corpses. The way Jojo's EXPRESSES this is different (Bruno deteriorating) but the overall concept is the same.
>>288782589I think Isidro could've been fine as an apprentice who learns from Guts along the way. He has a few moments early on that indicated he'd become a useful support member. But that's not really what Miura had in mind. Isidro and Guts barely have a relationship.He does make me laugh though merely because of how absurd his presence is in the same franchise that had the Eclipse
>>288782792The difference is that Bruno was never predestined to defy death; he simply does it because he wills himself to. It's not because he is "special" or "chosen", just a simple trope of human willpower and the spirit surviving impossible odds. Kamina does the same thing in Gurren Lagann. This writes as being CHOSEN to defy death and be better at every turn, when that was never presented as such before. Retards keep referencing text that say "oh guts is abnormal, look how much of a monster he is, look how much interest skull knight and the god hand have in him" when that is the POINT. He is SUPPOSED to be a tragic character, born from the womb of a corpse, on a desolate field beneath a tree of death, that's meant to depict how utterly fucked and cruel the world of Berserk is. He experiences terrible things, and survives, and has trauma from it, and makes mistakes, but he KEEPS going, he learns to love and to fight for people he cares for, he keeps stumbling even if he wants to go insane because that is the POINT. Him wielding the Dragonslayer is the point of Guts, the fact that no one seemingly "could", and yet he DID, because his goals mean that much to him that he WILL defy what is seemed as normal to achieve his goals and to become stronger. That's why he trained like a madman, why he attached a fucking CANNON to his arm, why he dons the Berserk Armor, for fucks sake, it's just an allegory for the human condition and the human spirit. HIS NAME IS GUTS FOR FUCKS SAKE, LIKE SHOWING SOME GUTS/SPIRIT. Him being predestined spits in the face of Berserk's entire story.
>>288783377And before some retard says "he's named Guts because of him being found from Guts!" I fucking know that, but double entendres exist for a reason.
>>288782401Miura has some of same sense of humor, which is that it's really subtle and relies on awkwardness. It's not the type where you laugh out loud. I don't think the Star Wars shit is funny though, it's a little too Disney/pure for me.
>>288783403He's named for Gotz von Berlichingen, a historical figure. Any relation to a mondern american colloquialism is coincidence, sorry to say.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6tz_von_Berlichingen
I don't get how he has so many fans, he's a literal rapist.
>>288782669I don't think it's that bad, never was, but it surely has weird looking panels. Some face expression of Guts have looked off, and if we're talking about this chapter alone, his cut off arm looked wacky.
>>288760068Where is Donovan? He played a huge role in Guts' trauma and shit, same with Gambino. Where are they?
What happened to the hermaphrodite shota manga?
>>288783637Aureola effect, basically. He's a pretty, feminine-looking guy with charisma. A bishounen-type. Therefore, even if he did way worse things than guys like Donovan or Wyald, sissy fans are gonna defend him, pretend that his actions "were actually deep" (well, he surely dicked Casca deep, kek), and will never try to silence anyone mentioning his name.
>>288783686Duranki? Canceled, with the story left unfinished. The last volume featured the last chapters made by Miura and some images that may suggest what kind of stuff was planned to be featured (in example, amazons).
>>288783603Yes yes, the Gotz theory, I heard it before. That shit is irrelevant. You get the idea.
>>288759316what ch
>>288783696>worse things than WyaldIt's amazing how this is actually a debatable topic, I think Wyald is just as bad if not worse thab Griffith.
>>288783797>theoryYour confidence is admirable.
Guts has always clearly been an inhuman monster. He is a beast that tamed itself by its desire to be human like the other humans. It is why, at his worst moments, when he is alone and enraged, he lets the monster out. Without anyone to put on the mask for, even himself, he becomes the monster he as always really been.But the chapter was incredibly heavy-handed and explained in words what should have continued to be shown.
>>288783857You do realize that if this was the case Miura would've said so himself, right?
>>288784020https://x.com/matiasbergara
>>288783717That's a shame. I hadn't read about the amazon trap isekai before.
>>288783507Pretty much. Some of the situations Guts finds himself in are clearly meant to be humorous even if they're also very grim.The Isidro stuff just became too on the nose.However I do think he intentionally made Elf Island a lighthearted pit stop before pulling the rug with Griffith's. It's really a shame that we didn't get to see what he had in store. He had built up a lot of characters that would've likely been taken out in dramatic ways
>>288784021Shit, you're right. The name and prosthetic arm design must be a red herring. What did the author say about his influences when designing the character?
>>288784159Unless he mentioned Gotz by name explicitly, it doesn't matter.
>>288782454>diminishedHow?
>>288783826Wyald was a violent, sex-obsessed psycho with huge powertrip ego, but what makes Griffith worse is that he could harm legions of people even on spiritual level and it didn't feel like doing anything wrong for him. Compare a genocider (Griffith) to one of thugs who perform this genocide (Wyald).
>>288783377>CHOSENBy who
>>288784059Duranki had a lot of lolishit retardation in its first chapters, but as the story progressed, it became better and more story-oriented (in contrary to "lolishit Miura likes" stuff).
>>288784269Wyald killed and maimed babies, dude. Come on.
>>288784282The universe/destiny/astral being or whoever that bitch is that talks to Guts in the latest chapter.
>>288784255As we all know, Japanese artists are known for keeping diligent records of their inspirations and especially being forthcoming about them. Surely there's some record of what he's said on the subject.
>>288783377>He is SUPPOSED to be a tragic characterAnd this makes him one.Before, by what you are saying, his entire life was by design and none of the involved had a choice.Thanks to this latest chapter, now Guts actually struggled like a normal person without predestination and fate controling his actions.>Him wielding the Dragonslayer is the point of Guts, the fact that no one seemingly "could", and yet he DID, because his goals mean that much to him that he WILL defy what is seemed as normal to achieve his goals and to become stronger.Yes, and his goal and will was so strong that it affected reality and made him do the impossible. The reasoning and endgame is the same, you just get mad arbitrarily. >"He just WILLS a lot, and his WILL defeats the MAGIC WILL that the guys MANIPULATING REALITY use, but like IN A NOT SUPERNATURAL WAY">it's just an allegory for the human condition and the human spirit. Even more now that we know he was not bound by fate!
>>288784337>The universe/destiny/These fall under IOE and the entire point is that Guts is not bound by it.>whoever that bitch is Are you just a narutofag or do you read this manga?
>>288784378Kino.
>>288784313Griffith led to entire nations being wiped out by fantastic monsters appearing out of nowhere. Like I said, the difference lies in capabilities. Think of, I don't know, Hitler and brutal SS officer. Hitler didn't kill people with his hands unlike the SS officer, but does it make him less evil and shit? Same with Griffith (Hitler) and Wyald (SS officer).
I hope Griffith gets redeemed.
>>288784340Yeah. It's up to you to produce the proof. So post it or fuck off and be known as an autistic schizophrenic who lost the argument.
>>288784467Agree. I hope they hug it out.
>>288784474Boy, you sure showed me. I'm convinced!
>>288784467>>288784491I hope he gets redeemed by a good anal session given by berserk Guts.
>>288784371>being half astral makes him tragic actuallyJust say you don't like the story man.
>>288784474>proofAre you yelling "muh prooooooof" at anyone who says anything, even the most basic fact? Are you mentally challenged?
>>288784494I accept your concession.
You have to be REALLY retarded to see the plot point: "actually your actions are not chosen for you or part of a great plan, but all yours, since you were born" and think "CHOSEN ONE! CHOSEN ONE! "Its literally the opposite.
I'm very happy that there's rape because it prevents the worst of the worst coming to the fanbase.
>>288784546Nu-Berk fans, so mostly Covid tourists or sissies of the old who got vocal on Pleddit, are doing their best to gaslight people that rape isn't actually an important element of Berserk and that anyone who says otherwise is "idiot who should seek help". You can only praise how symbolic the dicking of Casca is, that's all.
>>288784452Wyald was basically just a local scumbag with low ambition. The God Hand are basically the apex of evil, who are responsible for a thousand Wyalds or more
>>288784571How could they even do that?
>>288784561Are you stupid on purpose or are you just naturally like that?
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>>288784600Exactly.>>288784606Retards in charge surrounded with retards, plus Pleddit or trannycord environment to silence anyone who discusses Berserk differently to said retards.
>>288784622We don't do that here.
>>288766885>I can see maybe his eye and arm growing back as a result but I don't know how I feel about hiving him a power up from this spiritual transformationI mean even before Miura died something was gonna have to give on that front since I could swear there were panels of him struggling to hold the sword up even when "healthy".
>>288784517Hot
>>288768423>arrows going through steel armor but stopped by wooden barricadeswhat
