Volume 58Naruto Vs.ItachiChapter 555: Paradoxhttps://desuarchive.org/a/thread/274143504Previous thread:>>289058854
>>289104645>biju bomb >raikage is surrounded by allies
>>289104655Thank god he didn't use a nuke next to other shinobi
>>289104704Naruto giving everyone dumb nicknames is one of my favorite traits of his
B&W
>>289104795Kind of lucky he stopped going for a knock out punch
>>289104825Why did he suddenly stop? I mean for an edo a chest would shouldn't be anything major
>>289104729more like killer p
>>289104677>>289104690This lava guy?Multiple times faster than light.
>>289104813>>289104825GENIUSruto
>>289104795>sage is faster than ninetails>naruto moved so fast he got stuck in a wall when he first was in ninetails
>>289104795>for suyre ESLbuto...
>>289104795>>289104813This is technically a win for Sage Jiraiya
>>289104813>>289104825Why does a single stab does this much damage to his entire body?
>>289104645>>289104655>>289104768>>289104779Wouldn't it have been faster and less time consuming if Naruto just threw two rasenshurikens at the raikage?
Done!
>>289105077Before he got hurt by Temari, then his cloak got destroyed by rasenshuriken. They tried to seal him but he recovered too quickly. Now a stab is too much for him?
>>289104842>>289105143Arigatou, OP!
>>289104638>>289105143thx >>289104795>>289104813>>289105061>>289105088Insane speed feat for sage mode
>>289105074His sage is not mastered + base Naruto is stronger than his base.
>>289104789Their whole exchange feels very Luffy coded
>>289105027I guess it meant to say he reacts faster in Sage mode, which makes sense.
Post naked Sakura
>>289104795>I shall have him brought back to me half dead...That's a clone, dumbass! Although I guess it's being concealed from the readers right now with Naruto obfuscating the explanation.
>>289105074>This is technically a win for Sage Jiraiyayou mean the guy who never taught Sage Mode to Naruto and never mastered it to that level?
>>289105758Kakashi...
>>289105182The stab was deeper and did more lasting damage. It's a bit silly that Rasenshuriken isn't equally as damaging, seeing as how it utterly shredded Pain's Human Realm body.
>>289104813Behold Naruto's greatest feat. This compares well against Sasuke, who in a similar moment only managed to jam his fingertips into the Fourth Raikage's chest and get Liger Bombed.
>>289105345Who dun it first?
>>289104960Kek
>>289105074Jiraiya get cheapshotted and lost an arm to the path that Konohamaru "beat".
why is naruto suddenly able to insta cast sage mode? Gathering energy is not supposed to take a while?
>>289104645>>289104655>Get ED anxiety when Temari is watching I can relate
>>289106018It's supposed to be a few seconds. Quick out of battle but impossible in active battle.
>>289104645>I didn't think it was possible for a jinjuriki (sic!) in human formWho's even saying this and how would they know?
>>289104690>communication ninja that can block A3Put him in high Kage!
Great chapter, still one of Naruto's best individual moments.inb4 a cavalcade of people nitpicking everything and being as glass half empty as possible even for a chapter that's perfectly good and has practically nothing to legitimately complain about in it.
>>289104729What's with Kishi and drawing piss in this arc?
>>289104736>thousand years old being doesn't remember what happened in a fight 30 years ago
>>289104704>>289104789Nah I hate it, especially when he keeps using their stupid nicknames in tense or dramatic situations
>>289104717Wtf happened to Ino's dad? Why does he have Guy's eyebrows?
>>289105844Huh?
>>289105772I guess Kishi's keeping it ambiguous with Killer B going to pee and 8 Tails saying Naruto went on ahead. Upon the reveal it goes from normal Naruto feats to THE shadow clone with the best feats ever.
>>289106419>REEEEEEEE STOP CRITICIZING THING I LIKE!!! Kek, you're a pathetic retard.
>>289106419No it's good. Love seeing sage mode back. The maneuver was flawless. I just wish everything leading up to it was as good.
>>289105281>base Naruto is stronger than his base???? That's bullshit, base Jiraiya is leagues stronger than base Naruto.>>289105074He can definitely take the 4th Raikage, not sure about the 3rd though. Maybe with Genjutsu.
>>289104779How does Temari even know what an ordinary rasengan is
>>289104795>>289104813Uchihas just can't compete with Sagechads
>>289104645kek
>>289104813Took me a bit to understand what happened, but yea this is cool
>>289104690>>289104704How high does this lava guy rank? Tier list anon?
>>289104768Why does SAGEruto always go so hard?
https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=17969270
>>289107245There's that weird chameleon eye again. You can't rotate your eye this much irl.
>>289106419all those posts are samefags to bump the thread
>>289107119It's not explained but it's easier to swallow than pretty much everyone in part 2 knowing what Amaterasu is. Temari had plenty of opportunity to get briefed on Naruto's basic abilities from Shikamaru or someone else familiar with it.
>>289106419>>289106900It's actually pretty good. You get a nice Rasenshuriken combo in the previous chapter that shows you Naruto still thinks on his feet and it's well choreographed. You know what has to be achieved in order to stop this monster and you can see it's also not enough, so you get the Bijuu bomb fakeout. Finally you have the payoff which you might have been able to predict because strongest spear and strongest shield is a tale old as time. And the spread where Naruto counters the spear is pretty sick.Kishimoto CAN do good things sometimes. When he tries to.
>>289107132This is also a Rasengan > Chidori moment
>>289104981Reacting to 3rd, casting a jutsu and fooling him (it's actually super genius Kabuto who's behind the wheel so +500 points to slight of handHigh Jonin.
>>289107323Not really since the Rasengan didn't harm the Raikage. Although this is the 3rd one and he's a lot tankier than the 4th.
>>289107204>How high does this lava guy rank? Tier list anon?Seems like he should be a top Jounin.
>>289107386Seems decent.Where's that anon that complains whenever minor characters achieve things?>THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN KIBA DOING THAT NOT THIS RANDOM GUY
>>289107260>There's that weird chameleon eye again. You can't rotate your eye this much irl.special sage ability
>>289107204Top Jonin. His rubber ball even tanks Madara's meteor without the Naruto clone poofing from the impact shockwaves.
>>289107088>base Jiraiya is leagues stronger than base Naruto.Only through hax and not through stats.
>>289107455That's retarded, databooks put base Jiraiya far, far above base Naruto even in part 2. Even if you don't care for databooks it seems very obvious base Naruto was a huge scrub for most of part 2, far from a Sannin.Pic related is the kind of stuff base Jiraiya pulls off while horribly drugged to the point where he summons as bad as part 1 Naruto.
Was retconning shadow clones like this really necessary?I know they were always supposedly fully capable clones, but in practice so far they always just suicided and poofed out after finishing minor tasks like helping with the rasengan. Literally every fight up to this point would've been so much easier if they worked like this before.
>>289107543nta but I think he meant just taijutsu effectiveness. Naruto is generally decent at taijutsu in part 2 and Jiraiya almost never uses taijutsu in base.
>>289107574?Nothing has been retconned. Naruto didn't take any solid hits here. He's also had slightly more durable clones in the past, like in the Neji fight when one got gentle fisted hard but didn't poof instantly., I think.
>>289107592If we're talking just base speed/strength base Naruto should still be below that. Base Jiraiya was fine fighting Konan and Animal Path. He used jutsu and summons but also dodged Konan's attack. I just don't see base Naruto pulling this off at that point, even with Jiraiya's jutsu.There might be a point to be made after that since base Naruto seems to have gotten pretty substantial upgrades with the Pain arc, but that's still an insane reach to completely reverse that and think it's actually base Naruto who has better stats.
>>289104813>>289104825300 IQ Sageruto
>>289107664Wasn't Sage Jiraiya unable to use taijutsu against 3 paths and had to resort to frog song, while Naruto did it against 5?
>>289107753No, Naruto had the same "can't fight them head on because the others are looking at you!!" bullshit and had to outsmart them with invisible punches and such. It's not really a surprise either, because Kishimoto put this to give his characters a challenge to solve rather than to talk about stats and scaling or whatever.
>>289107753Yeah, Sage Naruto was kicking butt in a more difficult situation that Sage Jiraiya thought was too much for himself.
>>289107413Idk but I know you're that mifunetard seething whenever someone says side characters should do things to contribute, and constantly seethes like a retard over Kiba specifically for some reason. You should feel embarrassed for being so pathetic.
>>289107821He couldn't even 1v1 the animal path while the others were looking at him. Do people misremember the fight or?
>>289107543>DatabooksDiscarded
Dodai jutsu list>Lava Release: Rubber Ball>Lava Release: Rubber Defence>Lava Release: Rubber Rope>Lava Release: Rubber WallHe's the rubber man. It possesses the properties of both rubber and gum.
>>289107864Looks like I hit the nail on the head lmao.
>>289107753Jiraiya couldn't do the invisible punch BS Naruto did so he always lost hand-to-hand because of the shared sight gimmick.
>>289107912Damn Samui actually escaped.
>>289107543>for most of part 2We're in the era of JESUSruto, an Orochimaru victim can't take him.
>>289107864This
>>289107996>Orochimaru victimOro's been left in the dust long ago, are we pretending he's got anything to offer other than Edo Tensei and not dying?
>>289106018ehh don't think about it.let's just say, he like, gathered a bunch in advance and then stored it in his mind palace to use later like he did with the nine tails chakra. or he has sage clones somewhere that dispel themselves as necessary.
>>289107912Why is zombie Itachi labelled as a Pain?Why are Gaara and sage Naruto listed twice if it's in the same tier anyway?
>>289104717Take the wig off, Guy. You look embarrassing.
>>289107245Sage mode is honestly the coolest transformation this series ever had
>>289108060He's an Orochimaru victim because he canonically lost to Oro.
>>289108384Just like Naruto is a Sasuke victim despite being like 2 tiers above him right now?
>>289108332[PAIN] is a temporary labelPain arc Sage Naruto and War arc Sage Naruto are not the same in terms of mastery and strength. Same for Gaara. Their later versions are simply higher on the tier.
>>289101853imagine if his teleporting and intangibility stuff wasn't his mangekyo ability but rather him constantly using Izanagi and then replacing the eye that cast it. Sasuke's battle with Danzo should've been trh hint to the audience what Tobi's technique was.
>>289108400Yes.
so is sage mode naruto actually super fast????
So why would Kakashi want naked Sakura?
>>289108751It has hyper reaction speed which allows Naruto to move faster. I doubt he's actually travel speed faster than kcm. Translation sucks probably
>>289108474That would work well for a re write where Tobi isn't even an Uchiha.
Or perhaps the question is why would Kakashi want Sakura naked?hmmm
>>289108474It sure is weird how Izanagi has such an op power of rewriting reality but no one ever uses it for anything other than a temporary extra life
>>289108984I don't know but they are a cute final pairing.
>>289107919Nah he's right. You're easy to spot because you constantly bitch about Kiba. It's really embarrassing kek.
>>289109044>he
>>289104813THERE IT IS!
>>289109013Kishi probably thought it was too complicated so only limited Izanagi to being used as extra lives. Rewriting reality is a big can of worms.
>>289104645How come bee just turns into an octopus instead of having a gay ass glowing ssj form? How come when nardo turns into the fox he's a glowing ssj projection fox rather than the actual fox like how EVERY OTHER ONE turns into the actual animal including bee? Sage mode + fox is kino. Ssj ki blast fox form is GAYhe does become a bit cooler when he gets the cape after fighting Obitos gay ass though>>289104753>>289104768>>289104795Kino and fox mode IMMEDIATELY shown to be a detractor to the series
>>289104813How was the Rasengan supposed to work again?
I was gonna shit on the guy from the previous thread saying that this chapter is gonna be good, but nah he was right. It wasn't too bad.
>>289107912I fucking hate Itachi
>>289109022Nigga shut up, your bs isn't answering my question
>>289105027>>289105351Yeah, no mention of speed, just the ability to sense better.
>>289109156I am ALWAYS right
>>289109056Are you Implying anon is a woman?
>>289109368Anon is talking about himself
>>289107912>Lava>Liquid acid>Quicklime >Rubber>AshesWhy does "Lava Style" get to do so much shit that barely feels connected to one another?
>>289107413The power scaling has already been torn to shreds, what exactly would be the problem of Kiba doing this beyond lava having nothing to do with dogs?
>>289109486It's not about scaling it's that it's cool to have a geezer from another village we've never heard about show abilities we've never seen and do stuff
>>289107413>Where's that anon that complains whenever minor characters achieve things?That's literally what you're doing in this post, retard.
>>289109486That anon is a retarded autist who is obsessed with bringing up Kiba whenever someone complains about how poorly handled all the characters in this manga are.
When will my goat rise on the tier list?
Kakashi wants to see THIS naked?
>MifuneCHAD mindbroke "him"
>>289109783More like fall down in the battlefield's dirt
>>289105143thanks, OP!
Nobody said Kakashi wants to see Sakura naked, rather he needs Sakura naked for some purposes. Perhaps related to a mission.
>>289110258I'm not sure I understand. Maybe if you post naked Sakura, things would be more clear
>>289109657they're on their own paths
>>289110366>>289107247You can do it yourself bro, i can understand the matter on the level of abstract, i do not need the matter to be presented physically. Since you require it, then implore you to do it yourself.
>>289109437From what I gathered, all those kanjis are similar to each other and Lava. 溶岩、生石灰、灰、ゴム、液体酸、
>>289109506You already had those with Mifune, Budget Magneto, the 7 swordmen and other characters introduced in this arc.
>>289110750More is good
What was even the point of assembling 80k ninja if they're all fodder and getting into Naruto's way
>>289110993To have a war arc
>mifunetard now starts samefagging and refers to himself as a "chad" Lmao
Imagine waking up one day and choosing Mifune as your character.
>>289109169Feelings?Solo'd.
>>289104729I wish it was Hinata's pee...
is there a particular reason why the anime made kid gaara in this scene look less creepy?
>>289111413the manga looks much better, as usual.
>>289111413Just inferior direction. Flatter with less shadows
Hiashi won.
>>289111461I prefer taller Temari.
>>289111609yeah, it makes more sense. but the overall art is worse in the anime.
>low diffs you
>>289111709I'm pretty sure he dies to beginning of Shippuden Sasuke.
>>289111790DID I FUCKING STUTTER?>low diffs you
>>289111803Yes sir, I'm sorry sir>gets low diffed
>>289109156War arc gets unironically very good for a moment, from here til the ten tails jinchuurki obito slop starts (ignoring Izanami/Izanagi shenanigans about to come up) before it reverts and shits all over the previous 650 chapters when introducing gay ass bunny gods and we support the coolest guy instead of madara
>>289111881I realized the story has a problem.Build up Pain oh he's actually Tobi's bottom bitchBuild up Orochimaru oh he's actually just a bitchBuild up Masked Man oh he's actually real Madara's bottom bitch.Build up Madara oh Kaguya...
>>289111881I do think the War arc is unquestionably Naruto's worst arc, but it has a lot of high moments that I feel most of the people in these threads don't really want to acknowledge. It's so fucking long though and goes through a bunch of changes in what's happening but I still clump it all together as the last 200 chapters or so of the manga. When I think of One Piece and Bleach's worst arcs, I don't think they have the high points that the War arc still manages to have.
>>289111790That Sasuke would get sliced in half.
>>289111962Madara should have just been the final, villain. He had 600 chapters of background and Kishimoto genuinely wrote him as extremely entertaining and charismatic after fucking up Obito so horribly. It's truly insane how bad Obito is after Orochimaru, Gaara, Itachi, all of Akatsuki especially Pain / Nagato being largely well done and intimidating and with at least some semblance of depth. Obito is fucking garbage and cartoonish. Thank God Madara comes in in like 5 chapters to save this shit for 80~ chapters or so.>5v1, eh? Isn't that sort of pathetic fromcthe supposed greatest ninja of the times, the five kage?>don't take it lightly, we will do what we need to do to protect the shinobi world against you. If anything you should take this as a sign of respect yourself, Madara Uchiha, that we need to do 5v1>True. I will take it as respect. As for my levels of respect, I do agree, would you like my clones to use susanno or not?Truly the hardest line of perhaps the entire series. Obito could never
>>289104690>>289104704this guy is pretty sick, I like his jutsu and his design
>>289112158How would Shikamaru deal with this?
>>289104813sick
>>289112034Obito is just an awful character and 90% of the war arc is about him or filler fights and the characters talking about WAR WAR WAR... THIS... IS.... WAR???Everything to do with the main events is pretty good outside of Obito. Even Kaguya is only like ten chapters honestly. The issue is Obito replacing Pain for 200 chapters.
>>289112389I think the his character as Obito then Madara worked well enough. But the pay off and reveal was bad. Basically the first choice that comes into your mind is so dumb you think it's a red herring.Anyone else would have been better. Even time traveling Sasuke sounds more interesting. Of course the best one is that he's literally a nobody.
I got solo'd by Itachi again...
>>289112389I think the best thing about Obito is everyone he shit talks really deserves it. And he also tricks Itachi so that's a point in his favor.
>>289112158Obito has no fucking personality, he's just dull, mopey, and boring. He should've kept his goofy Tobi persona the whole time, maybe a split, at least he wouldn't be so boring.
>>289104813How is Sageruto fast enough to dodge a raikage hit at the very last second?
>>289111461one theory i've seen stated that temari/kankuro weren't originally made in mind to be gaara's siblings. temari being so tiny here in the manga might explain that she wasn't originally planned to be the eldest at least.i don't know if i fully believe it though. maybe the intention was just to make kankuro look tall.
>>289112971He's just that good
>>289112971Sage Mode was already really fast too, and this is more like last second reaction speed rather than "running speed". His new mode is faster than the Fourth who I think we can assume is faster than the Third ever was. So maybe Sage Mode is just as fast as the Third. It's not a big stretch.
God I love Naruto.
>>289104825>>289104842In the anime, they gave us two fillers girls to get everyone to celebrate Naruto success.
>>289104813This is cool and all but imagine how cool it would've been if Hiashi or Neji got that win. You know, to pay the cloud niggas back for fucking with the Hyuga years ago. I forget, was it third who ordered Hinata's kidnapping or the current raikage?
>>289113137It was the fourth
>>289109783He won't, but you will get a Hiashi upscale eventually.
>>289111881>when introducing gay ass bunny godsNgl I never got the amount of hate Kaguya got. Like, her powers are busted, sure, but the series has long since jumped the shark and dropped the ball in terms of powerscaling or ridiculous abilities before she debuted. We've already had Madara with a mountain sized Susanoo that can cut other mountains and Naruto create new eyes out of nowhere, which completely shits on every other healer in the story. By the time the final boss was revealed to be an alien mommy god that teleports between dimensions, I was like "yeah, whatever". At least her powers felt more justified because she's supposed to.be an otherworldly being. It felt more logical than Madara being untouchable or Hashirama having godlike dna just because. I guess people were more mad at her because of how Madara was wasted, but still.
>>289113137>>289104813Yeah, I feel like a Hyuuga matches up well against him
>>289112034>but it has a lot of high moments that I feel most of the people in these threads don't really want to acknowledgeI've said this a few threads earlier, but I'm genuinely struggling to find shit about part 2 in general that I can praise. 99% of it is just infuriatingly bad. I acknowledge that this chapter with the raikage was good, though.
>>289112158>He had 600 chapters of backgroundNo, he doesn't, lmao. Just because he had a statue of himself in the final valley doesn't mean the story was building up to him. That's bullshit.
>>289113276I understand why people hate Kaguya. There are certain things about her I like, such as her design, her voice in the anime, the Byakugan, her not being an Uchiha, etc. But I don't think she was overall a good thing for the manga.
>>289113276Because she comes out of nowhere to fuck up the last fight just to set up Boruto moon villains, all of whom suck
>>289112158I honestly just hate Madara as a concept in general. For example, this problem started ever since the Susanoo was introduced, but I can't stand how he feels more like a DBZ character that most characters can't touch just because his power level is too high. That's not what Naruto should be like. Like, in part 1, you had genin-tiered characters like Naruto or Sasuke, who were still able to stand up against guys like Zabuza or Orochimaru, even if they were clearly out of their league. Meanwhile, Madara just effortlessly roflstomps every jonin or kage level character that fights him regardless of whatever plan they might come up with because he's just too strong, and I hate that.
>>289113536But again, most of her problems (shit constantly coming out of there, bullshit broken abilities etc) are problems that started way before she was introduced.
>>289113566What I like about Madara is that he's having fun. Compared to the dour Itachi, Nagato and Obito, Madara is having a blast and loves to fight. I don't think he's the best villain in Naruto but his attitude is very refreshing.
>>289112389I think Obito would be more palatable as a villain if his love for Rin didn't exist and he died as a villain instead of that failed attempt at redemption
>>289113713Fucking up the climax with Madara, a villain with many problem but generally charismatic and very popular, is the main reason I think people hate her, far more than anything else. You take out the arguably most popular villain in the series and replace them with a much more boring character at the last minute, it's not cool. I guess you could say they should've given up on Naruto already by then but I guess for many it was the straw that broke the camels back.
>>289112791
>>289113713Kaguya herself is just lame compared to Madara.I feel like it would've been better if she was the villain of the last and Toneri gets pushed to the Boruto movie.
>>289113566i agree. characters also start feeling less human around then with how much damage they're able to tank. and eye swapping? losing gallons of blood but being okay? what happened to the normal feeling battle damage that could incapacitate characters? early on, even shurikens were threatening because everyone had normal human anatomy and limits. but now people can lose gallons of blood and swap out eyes mid fight and be fine.
>>289114385This started being a thing after deidara.
>>289113858What would his motivation be then if he didn't have Rin
>>289113945We spent two years on a final fucking visa fight with Madara anon. Just for her to get ZETSU'D KEIKAU DOORI'D because Kishimoto couldn't figure out how to beat him in-series. She fucking sucks. If we didn't have an admittedly very good Naruto vs Sasuke afterwards, the en did this Manga would be a complete and utter disaster going from Pain to Obito to Madara to Kaguya. Obito and Kaguya have the same exact fucking problems. Kishimoto just can't help himself.
>>289115047>couldn't figure out how to beat him in-seriesI hear this a lot but just rereading it this week it didn't feel like Naruto and Sasuke were all that fucked over honestly. I think it being set up for Boruto is more believable
>>289115184It comes from an interview way before Naruto and Sasuke got their hagoromo handouts.
>>289113566Madara has all of the same issues of part 2 Nardo exasperated to 12/10, but he's the only character to effectively do it. He has constant moments where it's like he's giving both the story and Kishimoto the middle finger like when they beat Kabuto and devise a plan to stop him and he just fucking breaks the Edo Tensei and revives himself with just complete and utter smug. The 5 vs 1 Kage thing he turns into a 25 vs 5 thing. The meteor. The double meteor. Killing Sasuke and Naruto. Every time Sasuke and Naruto got close to taking him down the mother fucker, the VILLAIN, gets power ups. Yes its power level garbage. But the entire war arc feels like the good guys are the dbz characters and the bad guys are fodder. Then comes Madara who just takes down every single named character while also getting Obito out of the way. Talking down so fucking hard to Tsunade and then cutting her in half. Him and Pain are the only characters who should have been the last villain. Well Orochimaru should have been but for some reason just became a good guy.
>>289115254Although i agree with this, i believe seeing Madara get fatally injured only to shrug it off for the millionth time gets stale real quick.
i feel like naruto's obsession with sasuke would make more sense if sasuke was the first to accept him instead of iruka.thoughts?
>>289115638I feel like they were trying to add that in later with the flashbacks to them in the academy sparring and stuff, or was that anime only?
>>289111881War arc is just less consistent than all the other arcs in terms of quality. Some of it is good but most of it is horrible.
>>289115638I feel like people gotta stop trying to improve NaruSasu by making sense of it and just accept it's terrible.
>>289115726We LITERALLY saw toddler Naruto and Toddler Sasuke fight.
>>289115726but it doesn't work because iruka was the first one who accepted naruto. no gaslighting will change that. saauke was the first one naruto's age to accept him i guess, but sasuke's influence was nowhere near as strong as iruka's. he saved naruto's life and sent him down the right path.i also felt gaara was a better dark mirror to naruto than sasuke was, who had the "he's just like me" thing, but that's just me.
>>289115990Iruka Gaara Pain Obito are all better mirrors than sauce
>>289115990Huh, Hinata was technically the first.
>>289115998>obitoKekw stfu fag
>>289114861He could come to believe that the shinobi system is cruel, morally bankrupt, and deserving of destruction without being in love with Rin. At the end of the day, Rin was just a kid who was forcibly turned into a walking nuke and chose to take her own life at Kakashi's hands so she wouldn't be a threat to her village. Not to mention a traumatized young Kakashi spending his youth as an emotionless killing tool, and the events that drove Sakumo to suicide. Personally, I think the circumstances behind Obito’s view that the world is garbage are strong enough on their own; his love for Rin just cheapens his motivation and makes him look like a simp.
>>289115998Saucegay is more meant to be his foil, his opposite rather than a mirror copy like 90% of the other antagonists.
>>289116013i guess, but iruka was the one who was there for naruto first and saved him.
>>289116039i took it more as obito did see the world as the corrupt. losing rin was just the thing that made him sit in loneliness since she was the only one who was nice to him. everyone else looked down on him. but his main motivation is that the world was corrupt, not losing rin. but if he had rin or anyone else, he probably wouldn't have gotten manipulated and turned evil.
>>289116013Starting to get the feeling Kishimoto regretted making Iruka the most important person in Naruto's childhood.
>>289116318that's why he tried to write him out... but it didn't matter because CHADruka was almost always a top 10 character anyway. look at how much focus every other character needed to mimic a fraction of CHADruka's power...
>>289116316And I get that. To Obito, Rin was the only person who paid attention to him and was kind to him, while everyone else didn't give a damn about him. The problem is, and I don't know if it was poor writing on Kishi's part, poor media literacy among the fans, or a mix of both, Obito is viewed as a pathetic loser simp who committed heinous crimes over ghost pussy.
>>289104813honestly one of the coolest moments Naruto (the character) ever had, and in the middle of this shitty arc no less. gives up on brute forcing it, reaches out to others for help and intel, makes a reasonable conclusion on what the secret to beating A3 is, comes up with a plan and executes it. even uses Sage Mode's unique strengths instead of his super saiyan form. all of this being one lonesome clone makes it even better
>>289116452No, it's poor writing on Kishi's end because Obito will have thousand of flashbacks over Rin, he won't actually point out any other tragedy besides Rin after turning evil.He even get forgive by Rin at the end.RIN RIN RIN RIN!Even Kishi realized this was getting out of hand and had to retcon Obito into an Orphan at the end stage of the war just for the idea of Rin being the only person in Obito's life be more sensible.
favorite examples of visual symbolism? don't know if it's necessarily my favorite, but i kinda like the pixie picture of team 7 where sakura is just happy, kakashi seems happy, and then there's just this angst with sasuke and naruto, with sasuke just being pissed off and not even acknowledging naruto as naruto glares at him.it represented how far away sasuke and naruto were in terms of skill at this time. sasuke didn't even acknowledge how angry naruto was at him.>>289116452probably like the other anon said. obito spends so much time lamenting over rin it looks like his main motivation.
>>289115254i get it. madara has the right kind of energy to be the final villain. i just felt his op-ness was over the top and ridiculous. but i can see why people like him.
I still vividly remember that one page where Obito is all wasted over using rinnerebirth and then he randomly tells Minato, Kakashi and Sakura(?) "Rin...was my light..." out of nowhere with beaten puppy eyes.
>>289116527>>289116555Yeah, I agree. There's that moment when Obito tells Kakashi, "If you think everything I did was because of Rin, you're a fool," or something along those lines, but that's rendered moot due to>Obito will have thousand of flashbacks over Rin, he won't actually point out any other tragedy besides Rin after turning evil.>obito spends so much time lamenting over rin it looks like his main motivationThat is why I personally think Obito's love for Rin shouldn't have existed (or at least should have been downplayed) in favor of showcasing other injustices that solidified Obito's belief that the world is hell.
>>289116452Obito is the coolest guy you fucking FAGGOT
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>>289116896>>289116452Eren and Obito are a lot alike thinking about it
>>289112971>How is Sageruto fast enough to dodge a raikage hit at the very last second?Sage Mode sensing. If it really bugs you, just assume that Kabuto assuming direct control gimped him due to Kabuto being a total nerd.
>>289115638>i feel like naruto's obsession with sasuke would make more sense if sasuke was the first to accept him instead of iruka.>thoughts?Maybe but that would just make it even more gay.
>>289116039As stupid as it was, I did enjoy seeing Kakashi freak the hell out when he started realizing who Tobi really was.
>>289116962Obito got the pussy in the end though
>>289116962>Eren and Obito are a lot alike thinking about itAs pathetic as Eren is, he is vastly less pathetic than Obito. Eren has the grand tragedy of being the ultimate freedom seeker but also being trapped in 100% slavery to his vision of his own future. It's very Dune Messiah. Obito is just a simp.
>>289116962>>289117172Obito is a million times better than Eren. Eren's plans are way more retarded. Who even cares though, this is arguing about what shitty thing is slightly less awful than this other shitty thing. It doesn't mean either are good.
>>289117213>Who even cares though, this is arguing about what shitty thing is slightly less awful than this other shitty thing. It doesn't mean either are good.can't argue with that lol
>>289117085but it'd be a better emotional hook imo. it's already gay anyway too.
>>289117269It's a huge problem with so much shonen discussion and I'm guilty of it too. I think Wano as an arc is worse than the War arc in Naruto. Does that make the War arc good overall? Of course not.Everyone does this just because they want to one up other manga even though just proving that something else does something shitty or even worse than the series you like doesn't mean the series you like did something good.
real organic thread hours
>>289117403Welcome back.
>>289104717>>289104753>>289104795>>289104825>>289104842Reminder that this Naruto is just a shadow clone.
>>289117644spoiler that shit. someone here might not be familiar with what was released over 15 years ago.
>>289116679Yeah, no one's under the impression that any of this is well-written or makes any goddamn sense. It's just that the manga had by this point already completely and truly jumped the shark in terms of feats and plot convenience while acting like there was nothing unusual about any of it, so when Madara comes around and turns up the ridiculousness tenfold and being a smug prick about it the entire time, it at least rolled back around into being entertaining, sort of like the trolling Aizen constantly pulled in Bleach. It's called Madara's Wild Ride for a reason.
>>289106469He lost consciousness retard plus what having lived for thousands of years has to do with having good long term memory?
>>289113137Nah, that'd be cringe who the fuck cares about either of those faggots. Not to mention Byakugan has nothing to do with reaction time if anything it's something which sharingan excels at
>>289119725>He lost consciousness retardThat's why he thought it was his biju bomb that did it?>what having lived for thousands of years has to do with having good long term memory30 years for him is like maybe 1 year to humans at most and it would've been one of his most memorable fights.
>>289116459>comes up with a plan and executes itI gotta say I don't really like the execution part. Like the rubber guy can suddenly super blitz A3 to the point he doesn't understand where people are, then Naruto comes up with his idea and it's just taken for granted that he can easily execute it, when it requires blitzing A3 hard.(Also Temari literally did more damage to A3 than this, but maybe that's just nitpicking)
>>289119753>Nah, that'd be cringe who the fuck cares about either of those faggotsI won't argue about Hiashi but Neji really needed something memorable if Kishimoto is gonna make such a big deal out of his death some hundred chapters later. Maybe both he and Hinata should've got their own fights with resurrected shinobi while all this war stuff is going down, could've been fun.>Byakugan has nothing to do with reaction timeIt can be assumed that it improves user's reflexes somewhat since you'd need it to accurately land hits on chakra points. Either way, the idea that Byakugan wouldn't grant better reaction speed never made sense to me. The Hyuga are the taijutsu clan first and foremost, Neji could keep up with Lee in all their fights and wasn't even terribly surprised after seeing him fight Gaara with weights off and the Sharingan already has some properties of Byakugan so why not vice versa?
>>289106419no dumbass, it's still fucking stupidgod fuck you for even making me type this>>289104645the very first page doesn't make any sense again, the raikage is ostensibly interested in naruto but he keeps fighting these fodder which again based on what we have been told he should be able to speed blitz every single one of them but here he is like a dark souls boss launching large telegraphed attacks that are taking out waves of shinobi for NO REASONthis is the fastest and strongest man ever as we've been told countless times. his attacks should be obliterating people, not putting them in the medical tent>>289104669temari yelling out battle orders like they're fighting an army and not a single lightning fast black man. so he's just going to allow them to retreat the wounded? why are there even wounded? they all should be turning into pasteagain the fight goes a way that runs completely opposite to what we have been led to believe about the characters. why is kabuto wasting time playing dynasty warriors with his new toy? just keep going for naruto with ultra strong attacks, over and over againbut instead he fights waves of mobs in between phases like he needs to farm health potions off them or something
>>289121718>>289104677the fingers changing thing and the wastes of panels going over how many fingers he is now using and what that could mean has wasted an entire chapter over the last several chaptersit's pointless fluff, who cares if he's poking or prodding or punching, again, this is a man who should be killing everyone but naruto in a single hit, and causing big trouble for naruto himself, and is too fast to react to, except I guess when he's doing sign language from a distance safe enough for rubber man here to observe and comment onit's also inconsequential how many fingers he's using, it never matters and the situation never changes based on this
>>289121731>>289104704stupid, waste of time, inconsequential, makes everyone look stupid for the purpose of a dumb fake-out that doesn't change anything about the plot, if you are amused by this I can only imagine what wonders the fourth grade will hold for you next year>>289104717>>289104729pointless POINTLESS waste of panels, wow an operator joke and a pee joke, sorry we have now lost the third graders>>289104813and here it is, the big payoff, you liked this shit? you thought naruto was clever here? I can only imagine reading something with a really smart protagonist like Akagi would do to youit's just dumb bullshit that broke its own internal logic constantly, if you like this or think it's anywhere close to the series' highs (Zabuza arc) I legitimately wonder what you like about the series. The homoerotic undertones?shit chapter shit opinion congratulations you pissed me off more than sasujeet
>>289107912>>289107994no one can resist my wifeif you're hot, my dear, perhaps you should take off your shirt?
>>289116452>media literacyI won't take anything you say seriously if you unironically use retarded buzzwords like these. You're a pathetic and braindead moron.
>>289113566Madara is the only character taking advantage of the sakuga animation to style over the army. Orochimaru is the only character who uses the manga and anime to be that charismatic. I don't believe he's strong it's just that he's been using taijutsu and pure skills. The thing is that I believe Iruka, Ebisu, and Anko can stop him but Naruto never bothers to learn the 1st and 2nd techniques which can counter him and Sakura is stopped from learning from Yamato eve though it would come in handy. He's not a bad character, Kishimoto doesn't plan
>>289121718Why are Naruto characters weaker than Nappa, Recoome tier characters? To answer your autism Kishimoto is not good at giving characters auto centric moments the same way Toriyama can.
>>289124619>auto centric momentsWhat does that mean?
>>289124719I mean that Naruto characters don't have any concept of speed within the magazine.
Lightning fast BEAST
>>289115900sex
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>>289125618I forgot how bad Shippuden was. Maybe Sailor Moon animators would make Naruto better or Shudo can write better.
>>289125678Tbf, they weren't given a lot to work with by Kishimoto, who barely draws fights and adds 3 pages of exposition mid action.
>>289119753>Characters having meaningful closure is cringe actually
>>289125901Sealing a zombie raikage would not really be closure, but yeah, I agree it would've been cool to see Neji interacting with someone from Kumo.They could initially be hostile towards each other but then through some kind of circumstances be forced to cooperate and gain respect for each other for example.
>>289124790>don't have any concept of speed within the magazine.Come again?
>>289125960This but with Hinata. Her and Karui would make for an interesting unlikely duo. Neji should've fought his father.
>>289126465I think Neji is a better fit, since he has real resentment for Kumo practically killing his father. For Hinata it's probably not even a conscious experience with no lasting damage to her being done.
>>289126523Alright, fair. Still, it would've been interesting to see some buried trauma resurfacing type of thing with Hinata trying to hide her resentment while Karui eggs her on unknowingly. Neji's father getting killed directly lead to Neji seething at her in part 1 and at least contributed to Hiashi's coldness. Not to mention Karui chimping out on Naruto.
>>289122054Let me guess "media literacy" is reddit or some shit like that
>>289121543>but Neji really needed something memorable if Kishimoto is gonna make such a big deal out of his death some hundred chapters later. Maybe both he and Hinata should've got their own fights with resurrected shinobi while all this war stuff is going down, could've been fun.For how much this war likes to make living characters fight against their reanimated loved ones, it was such a waste to not have Hizashi fight Neji and Hinata. He was already shown to have repressed violent tendencies against Hinata in the flashbacks, and Kabuto could've used this against her. It would've also given him some closure on seeing his son no longer be bound by the branch family destiny.
>>289126465They already talked.
>>289127598character arc = completed
>>289127727You jest, but that's probably what went through Kishi's head while writing this.
>>289127598Neji is even there.
This is the thread
>>289129691>If Sakura pushed Sasuke when Oro was going for the bite.
Chapter 556: Gaara vs. Mizukage!!
>>289130012The coloring on this cover is kind of weird.
>>289130133Oh no, he jizzed on the sand.
The anime kind of fucks up the pacing of this fight by putting the Third Raikage fight in the middle of it.
>>289130157I don't get it, can Gaara's sand eye see through genjutsu? Is that something it was always able to do? Also>Even Gaara's eyes can counter genjutsu but not the Byakugan
>>289130012>madara in the corner about to mog the 5 kageIt's finally time bros
>>289130416Damn, that was another pretty good chapter.
>>289130399OH NO, ITS THE ZAMASU JPEG
>>289130146Konanbros look away!
>>289130522The fights against the old Kage, then the Madara vs 5kage, then Naruto vs Obito with Paths of Pain, then Kakashi vs Obito, etc. are all great. The Kabuto fight and 10tails Jinchuuriki-to-the-end are bad though. But we have a good 60~ chapters that are much better than the 30 or whatever we just went through
>>289130157>even Gaara is now using eyehax
>>289130638>560
>>289130012Hmm.Not the same without the fist bump
>>289130399Looks like we'll need the savior to step in because no one else can do anything!
It's weird that the entire pain af and Fivr Kages arc every single thread was nothing but a schizo ruining the threads but now that we're in this shit arc discussion is consistently possibly
>>289130689okay, that annoyed gaara expression is actually funny.
>>289130836Pain arc and five kages arc*
>>289130293RIP
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>>289130463>>289130655i mean, it's not connected to his body. his real eyes are being shown an illusion and i assume since the third eye is separate, it's not being shown the illusion.
>>289130146What is this expression trying to convey
>>289130399So the technique has a pun in it, and it's supposed to be read as Jokey Boy.A prankster, if you will, which sure, Imp kinda has that feel.(The steam comes from the other way of reading it)
>>289130194Can't someone give this geezer a chakra pill?
>>289130194>>289131215Quite convenient his chakra runs out right when the beam battle is over and nothing would be able to cancel out his "destroy everything" jutsu anymore.
Thoughts on Gengetsu?
>>289131262Why that high? So far he's done nothing except beating jobbers, getting luck Tsuchikage is out of chakra and killing a clone.
>>289131312He's giving trouble two Kage's while constantly shouting how his technique works and how to beat him. He's not even trying.He can be brought down as the fight goes on. Sorry, I just bought into his hype.
>>289130012Sick cover tbqh
>>289130463It's not seeing through Genjutsu. What happened is that his sand found the location of the clam by physically spreading out through the battlefield and Gaara formed his eye there after to lock onto it and watch over the Tsuchikage and now see directly what was happening.
>>289130228onoki with pain meds for his back > six paths madara
>>289131076maybe he's thinking back to when he thought lee, who looked like he would be weak. so he follows up with "looks can be deceiving" to gengetsu because he also looks like he would be weak.
>>289130293>Counting or not counting ninja violence?
>>289130293>>289130319gaara is a master of the old sand clone switcheroo, just like in his fight against lee in the exams
>>289131262A this point kcm Naruto who can spread his clones all over the battle field should be higher. Like around Might Guy
>>289130399all the current kage can hold up pretty well against the kage they succeeded, and then you have the mist.. how could mei and her spicy spit no jutsu compare to this monster?
>>289130012W-what is Mei doing there
>>289131732She could spread her melting mist and look for the clam? She probably has options but more likely she gets shot in the head.
>>289131732>all the current kage can hold up pretty well against the kage they succeeded*gestures toward Tsunade*
>>289130194>No choise
>>289130331Why? You aren't even controlling yourself.
>>289130379HOLY FUARK
>>289132096She'd put bta on that fraud Tobirama
Kabuto just had the DNA to revive all these kagehe just had a samplethat's awfully convenient
>>289130399>>289130416>>289130965>>289130985Arigatou, OP!
>>289132223Was Shisui not available? Also he had a whole clan of Uchiha's he could have revived.
>>289132096nah the 3rd hokage ain't SHIT. old ass nigga got pumped by orochimaru, I think tsunade could put up a decent fight even if it ended up her lossunless you mean the 4th in which case she'd get ripped to shreds without landing a single attack herself
>>289130157why is his summon a clamis it a pun I'm not getting
>>289130194sure is a shame your advanced three element jutsu only has the one death ray technique and nothing else that might be useful like a field of disintegrating particles or an array of flaying blasts or something
>>289130210>OLD MAN USES ROCK HARD FIST ON BIG SANDY CLAM AND CAN'T GET IN
>>289132096I could see Tsunade beating Hiruzen.
I don't like how Kishimoto likes to wank past shinobi, obvs nobody is on the level of Hashirama and Madara but to imply previous generations were also much better is tiring and makes the current characters look like failures
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>>289132752kishimoto is bad at wanking characters because he usually just tries to make everyone else look weak in comparison to do it.
>>289132752There is plenty of overpowered shinobi in the current gen. Look at the Akatsuki. Bee, Gaara. The former Kage might be stronger than current ones (except Rasa) but nothing to the level of Hashirama and Madara. Those two are just shit and ruin the story.
>>289130157>>289130463Gaara upscale
>>289130293I can't believe Ohnoki is fucking dead.
>>289133301In a version of the story where the war arc had more deaths, this might not have been a fake out.
>>289133341It would have been brutal. The war arc could have been more entertaining if one mistake had real consequences
>>289131473To be fair, he's virtually a counter to gaara
>>289132096She's a medical ninja
>>289133511Who did she heal that was relevant so far?
>>289133435Bee would have obvious red flags being a target for Biju extraction.
>>289133541Supposedly she's very good
>>289132300>unless you mean the 4th in which case she'd get ripped to shreds without landing a single attack herselfFuck Nami gonna do, poke her with kunai? His rasengan ain't doing shit either hahaha
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>>289130012One of the best covers, and the turning point of this whole arc.
Minato's shuriken is special. It's a sacred tool passed down through the Uzumaki clan and was handed to him as a marriage gift. It's special property is cutting through any and all chakra. Meaning Raikage's lightning armor or susanoo are not immune to it.Sole exception being the Yata Mirror which blocks any and all attacks.Just a little lore for the fans of my series, haha
>>289130399I do not remember this at all
>>289134101Itachi won't fuck you, Kishi.
>>289135063For clarification. White haired Nagato is the one that's controlled by Kabuto who didn't master the rinnegan abilities as well as Nagato and had to figure them out mid battle.
>>289130268Oh yeah, he's from the same clan as Suigetsu!
People in the previous threads have brought up how Choji could've died during the SRA and then be brought back as an edo for the war, but take a sec to consider how fucked that would be. Imagine being Choji; You sacrifice your life during a mission for your comrades, and then you wake as a zombie, and you meet up with your friends Shikamaru and Ino, both of whom have grown up and matured without you. That would probably be pretty traumatizing for both parties.
>>289135287Asuma was probably the only Edo where it was trumatic to fight against. It was a bare minimum check off "oh yea the edos, it's difficult to fight people you know" and then it's never an issue. More like a big + since they tell you how to beat them and warn you.Edo Choji is the right kind of cruel and sad thing the war needs more.
>>289135605Imagine kid Choji screaming for help as he punches holes through Shinobi
>>289130399You could have said that earlier, Onoki...
>>289135605Bee and Yugito.... it was right there...
Why wasn't Kushina resurrected?
>>289135813It would have been too dark
>>289135813>>289135836Would Edo Kushina be effective at capturing a Jinchuriki?
>>289135287Man there's so much wasted potential in Naruto it's unreal. It could have been this or that and instead was just the worst it could have possibly been. The Jinchuriki were supposed to be world-balancing powers, and even the absence of 1 could shift the world on its head, yet 7 of them disappeared, no one cared, no one noticed, and it didn't cause any increase in tension between villages at all. Kishi put up a pathetic excuse when Sasuke "captured" Bee, but then that went away when they quickly realized Bee was alive and well.Every single arc just was handled nearly as poorly as could be. Even the Land of Waves was mishandled by having Naruto not kill Haku himself. Naruto's so adamantly against this cycle of violence and death, yet despite being a soldier, and despite being on numerous missions against enemy shinobi trying to kill him, he is never one single time asked to kill anyone. And even if his opponents are killed, they're killed by someone else. Fuck, even Kakuzu was left barely alive so Kakashi could finish him off and keep Naruto squeaky clean.
>>289135932Sure, why not.
>>289135932If they're not more powerful than random Kumo goons.
>>289135977>The Jinchuriki were supposed to be world-balancing powers, and even the absence of 1 could shift the world on its head, yet 7 of them disappeared, no one cared, no one noticed, and it didn't cause any increase in tension between villages at all.I hate how conveniently these Jinchuriki were captured. You have Stone and Cloud each with both, yet three of them got captured right under their noses? Like catching wild Pokemon. I t would have been much more compelling if most of these Jinchuriki were under watch of the village. If Akatsuki wanted one of them they had to make contact with one of these villages. Like capturing Naruto in Konoha.
>>289136208If Kishi didn't want to repeat the kazekage arc beat for beat than he could just have Tenchi bridge and Zombie duo also involve a jinchuriki being captured.
>>289135977>Naruto unapologically kills that guy controlled by Itachi>A few pages later Itachi calls him a "sacrifice" so readers can think Itachi was controlling a corpseMickey ass ninja series.
>>289136295Zombie duo did unfortunately involve a jinchuriki being captured.
>>289136365In the prologue, it doesn't count.
>>289135977This manga could've really used a scene like this one, where Naruto is forced (or maybe tricked) into killing an opponent, after which he has a small breakdown and realises what the shinobi world is all about (would've been better than him having a breakdown over Sasuke, at least).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2evBdWTtRxQ
>>289136604How do you imagine it then?
>>289136295What if we take Tenchi bridge in a different direction?Let's say Akatsuki somehow find out Naruto is going on a mission. They try to capture Naruto (goes 4 tails) but to everyone surprise Orochimaru and Kabuto step in to help stop them? I always liked the idea of Orochimaru working against the Akatsuki. Never liked he was part of them ever.
>>289124976>weak rubber jobber man with zero notable feats across his entire life takes the fastest man in the world and runs away from the other fastest man in the world and ostensibly kabuto wanted to prevent this but he wasn't able to because rubber man is just this fast also the mud wall is also coming up faster than the fastest raikage ever is advancing and also I think guys this is one of the good chapters okay?? naruto is smart in this one! we have to take what we can get and stop complaining!
>>289136738He also could've been part of them and still try to stop them after he found out their plans are insane and retarded.
>>289125618>the big niggerman is coming at us super fast>I'm just going to stand here with my mouth agape and hope somebody covers me in a light speed quick ball of rubber that also won't get pierced by the established fast niggerman who is stronger than everyone>even though I'm the fastest man alive now?this is y'alls goat?this is y'alls quality chapter?
>>289132752It's a total reversal of the earlier parts of the series were they seemed to be leaning into new generations being stronger
>>289127598even more egregious was Hinata being in the distant corner background of Naruto's "I have FRIENDS!" pageso she really has not risen above the ranks of ino and kiba in naruto's eyes yet, they're all just "kids I went to school with" and sakura is his forever lover who can do no wrongI can see why NaruHina came out of fucking nowhere
>>289136710>>289136738I was thinking about Orochimaru, Kabuto and Sasuke going out of their to kill the jinchuriki before the Akatsuki or just groom them to be on their side.Orochimaru supposedly needed the akatsuki dead for his plans even though we have no idea why beyond him being hunted.
>>289136901What would happen in your rewrite of zombie duo?
>>289136878>Hinata being in the distant corner background of Naruto's "I have FRIENDS!" pageWhat?Sakura was in the corner background too in that Itachi page.
>>289136901Oooh killing a Jinchuriki is nice thinking. We could have a clash between Orochimaru and the Akatsuki. If we keep Sasori as Oro's informer they can get intel on what Akatsuki plans to do.I also liked the idea of Orochimaru helping Jiraiya infiltrate Rain Village.
>>289130293Sand Clones got to be the best cloning technique, right? They can regenerate or even be used to start another technique
>>289136208They retcon in this entire tailed beasts=nukes balance of power thing, which opens up so many questions and issues with the early series, but then they never amount to anything other than Macguffins really, most of them captured quickly and easily, not even interesting characters barring B and Gaara I guess. There aren't even like historical examples or stories of something interesting happening with this political world order.
>>289136965Depends, do you want my unfiltered ideas or do you want me to stay relatively close to canon?
>>289137037They're top 2 next to banned Exploding Clones. Only Deidara can have those now.
>>289137070Unfiltered I guess, but either one would be interesting.
Do they ever explain what happens to a bijuu when their jinchuriki dies without being extracted the Akatsuki? Does the Bijuu just burst out of their body?
>>289137160It was explained, the Bijuu dies together with the Jinchuriki. A few chapters ago, Raikage mentioned that they could kill Naruto or Bee to delay Madara's plan
>>289136878>I can see why NaruHina came out of fucking nowhereIt's less that it came out of nowhere and more that Kishi was more focused on making it as vague as possible to bait shipfags into fighting over who he'll end up with between Hina and Pink. Which sucks ass and was a terrible choice because it didn't let these characters develop any sort of meaningful relationships. I think they're doing the same shit in Boruto with Sarada and that purple girl but idk
>>289137136My take on the zombie duo would be for the InoShikaCho to locate Hidan and Kakuzu going to takigakure to collect Fuu.Naruto's segment of the arc could be to talk Fuu into helping them defeat the akatsuki, wind style rasengan can be retconed into something Naruto and Jiraiya trained in the timeskip but never got around to properly use it until now.I want Shikamaru to get BTFO, maybe even permantly maimed but not enough to Immediately retire, to showcase the theme of revenge bad.Naruto vaporizes Hidan with rasenshuriken and Fuu takes kakuzu by the skin of her teeth, then Zetsu drags unconscious Fuu to the akatsuki lair.
>>289131262it's time to break up high kagedeidara and the yellow flash in the same tier is lol
>>289137594Break up or putting Minato and Tobi a tier higher?
>>289137402That's definitely one good way jinchuriki could've been integrated without making it a repeat of Kazekage rescue.
>>289137402I would say just kill Shikamaru off.
>>289137751>Shikamaru dies at the hands of Hidan to reinforce the theme of not getting lost in revengeuhh.uhhh...fuck.. ahhhh. BASED (I came)
>>289136878What a load of nonsense.>Hinata being in the distant corner background of Naruto's "I have FRIENDS!" pageAnd in the center of similar image in that scene with Kushina.>so she really has not risen above the ranks of ino and kiba in naruto's eyes yet, they're all just "kids I went to school with"They're all second fiddle to his obsession with Sasuke anyway. >sakura is his forever lover who can do no wrongThat wasn't the case for at least two hundred of chapters now.>I can see why NaruHina came out of fucking nowhereYou'd have to be retarded to not see it coming.
>>289137751I also thought about that, but i don't think Kishi would do it.
>>289137896Yeah, but it would be a really unexpected twist (especially if you have Ino and Choji die as well), it would further reinforce the whole revenge bad message, and it would give Naruto an even better reason to want to save Sasuke, since he'll now believe he'd end up dead too if he'll keep obsessing over vengeance.
>>289137896Punished Shikamaru that has to watch his master and teammates die is a decent alternative.
>>289137876I die a little every time i watch this and Hidan doesn't impale this little punk or stomp his head in while he's on the ground.
>>289130985thanks, OP!
>>289137971I was more so thinking of a heavily injured and maimed Shika holding down Hidan so Naruto can finish him off, the revenge bad still applies and Shika gets to have some sort of closure still (despite the fact that i hate him).
>>289138082What's worse the blood splatter is Shikamaru pretending to bleed. Imagine the shock on his face if Hidan knew how putrid Kakuzu's blood tastes like kek
>>289111461why do gaara and kankuro even have the shuriken/kunai sashes? also, the anime forgot to color in the kunai sash's strap on gaara's leg and left it all white.technically gaara's kunai sash or w/e it's called is also an inconsistent detail and he loses that part of his design later.
>>289137876>>289138082>>289138234It's extra funny now that I see the anime where Shikamaru is literally just standing still and Hidan still manages to miss somehow.
I can't look at a Tsunade art without staring down at her cleavage. That is my sin.
>>289130293What's the point of a double spread where one half is used to dramatically kill someone, only for other half to already reveal the fakeout? At least wait for the next page before you spoil anything or to keep the readers on edge. But surely Kishi knows better than me I guess.
>>289138358One of Naruto's most impressive feats is not staring directly into the abyss of Tsunade's cleavage in this moment. I don't know if any other person could've resisted.
>>289138208I think consequences are important. If the theme is not be consumed by revenge and he goes after the zombie duo with his team, they shouldn't get a slap on the wrist for it.Depends how dark the story wants to get. Sometimes Naruto is pretty dark. If the price he pays is retiring as a field ninja that's fine I guess.Him being a reminder for Naruto that he has to stop Sasuke from his path of revenge is very good. Depending on how the war arc plays out, his early death would lead to him coming back as an edo.
>>289130133Is he too strong... to win?
>>289130319Mizukage best character
>>289130416>WAR ARC IS BA-Hmmmmmmmmm....
>>289138835That's the best page?
>>289130293>>289138410Kishimoto is a fucking hack for not making this a cliffhanger. What, the kiddies couldn't handle the thought of someone dying?
>>289138790Series is pretty good when it isn't about the Uchiha
>>289138965I mean, people would call Kishimoto a hack if he made this a cliffhanger and resolved this next chapter with "it was a clone lmao". That's the kind of stuff Mashima pulls and get shit on for.I'm okay with this being resolved instantly and having this just be a way to make the Mizukage look even more threatening, as he could have killed Ohnoki on the spot like that.
Did Tsunade ever realize that she was dating an Akatsuki?
>>289139151What?
>>289131215What the fuck even happened to those? Those seem like such a useful item to have at all times, more than the standard shuriken and exploding tags.
Red pill Choza would probably rape Madara
>>289140265Choza murderstomps anyone that does't have insane hax or is a speed demon.
>>289131262>itachi in the same tier as the guy he oneshot
>>289141286Yeah he should be below actually
>>289131262Did the Gedo even do anything yet? It should probably be in the not enough data tier.
>>289131262So why kabuto not three tiers above everyone?
>>289137876FASTEST NINJA ALIVE #RESPECT
>>289137876why didn't he just thrust his pokey stick into Shikamaru's chest
>>289136208the war arc should've been caused by most of the jinchuriki being dead. have the Cloud decide to go scorched earth on the Stone and Mist because they have Bee. the Leaf tries to go in to be a peacekeeper and gets dragged into the conflict, and the Sand hop in to back the leaf up. so you've got this ninja world war between all five nations, with the Leaf and Cloud duking it out. then Kabuto comes along with the ET with Madara and past Kage whilst Tobi/Akatsuki has the 7 tailed beast under his control, forcing the Cloud and Leaf into a truce to deal with it. so you've got no less than five different factions all trying to come out on top. ninja villages in an uneasy truce, Kabuto and his Edo Tensei, Tobi/Akatsuki with the tailed beasts, Sasuke and Taka/Ebi, and Naruto + Bee becoming friends and trying to warm relations between the nations.
>>289130012I love this cover
>>289131215why no one shown used chakra pill during war?
>>289136208Han look badass I wonder which akatsuki captured him
>>289139491Kakuzu was her sugardaddy
Why didn't Madara just vampire chakra out of people using the preta path to regain his youth and vitality?There wasn't any need to do the 50 year convoluted gymnastics of trying to trick Nagato into using Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique.
the akatsuki arc should have been longer more focus on the three sanin
damnnaruto storm sold 15 million
>>289145623Is that the dynasty warriors one or the fighting game one or the gacha one?
>>289145656storm 4the arena fighter
>>289146040soft lovemaking
>>289146509HARD lovemaking
every day I wake up and boruto still exists AND is ongoing and my day gets worse
>>289146812Its ok because not a single person in Boruto is as strong as pre-chakra fruit Kaguya except for Shibai.
>>289145586bruh... the akatsuki arc encompasses all of part 2.
>>289145586There should have been more Akatsuki members. We basically run out of them before the war arc. Nagato should start the war not Tobito.
>>289147079>>289147350I mean we could have done a lot more in depth lore for eachfor example hidan god arc etc
>>289146837>Weaker than Rock Lee
>>289147393Aside from Pain/ Nagato and his side piece we have what...6 members to go around? Doesn't feel nearly enough to capture 9 biju if you count potential loses. And it restricts the story. More members (they don't have to be as strong or fleshed out) means we can make the Akatsuki more flexible. Insert their influence in other places. We don't have to rotate between the few members if we won't be killing them at the first encounter.
>>289137876Why doesn't Hidan just use a mosquito? He'd be the ultimate assassin.
>>289147755Just make Konan and Zetsu real members and don't have everyone die so quickly.
i still think the akatsuki should've just been one small arc and not all of part 2. don't kill off most the jinchuriki. don't even kill gaara/or let him stay dead and don't revive him if you do want to go that far.the zombie war arc and the moon eye plan are retarded and don't fit naruto.
>>289145586it needed to be different, not longerit's just a series of pointless fights
>>289148970Shippuden should be shorter.
