Volume 59The Five KageChapter 560: Uchiha Madarahttps://desuarchive.org/a/thread/274143504Previous thread:>>289208055
>>289232436Couldn't Onoki speculate that Tobi was actually an Itachi who was still alive
>>289232455I guess Kabuto still respects Orochimaru enough that he needs to mention to Madara, even though he should have no idea of who Oro is?
>>289232507All these literal whos? On the same level as Hiruzen (who's also stronger than the other 4 kage).
>>289232596>O MY RUBBER SUSANOO
>>289232711Is the black guy going "SHEEEEEEEIIITTTT" anime only?
>>289232681>the sharingan naturally develops into the RinneganOh, ok.
B&W
The anime added a lot more shit to this fight than I remembered. I guess Temari being the first person to land a bit on Madara was filler.
Done!
I'm gonna be a contrarian little shit here and say that I really hate this fight, in both the anime and the manga. The previous fights with the Mizukage and Raikage were better because, while the kage were still really strong, the allied forced could still hold their own against them and beat them through clever tricks, but here nothing anyone does actually matters because Madara is a DBZ character with a high power level. And I hate how it appeals to hood weebs obsessed with "muh aura farming" and "muh hype moments". Madara is such a dogshit character, like god damn.
>>289233065I think it's good in spite of Madara being a stupid character.It's really cool seeing the Kage show really cool teamwork and strong character moments that make the fight interesting to watch even if, at the end of the day, they're hitting a brick wallIf madara was less ridiculous it'd be cooler of course, but for what it is it has good moments in my opinion.
>>289232711>kuchiyose no jutsu>I'll summon a fuckin meteor from the space
>>289232487Gamabunta's was bigger.
>>289232653AIIEEEEEEEEEEE
>>289232653It was too strong to damage him
>>289233065I agree but the story has breached the point of no return a long, long time ago. This shit is just a drop in the bucket at this point.
>>289232681So why didn't his edo have the rinnegan to begin with?
>>289232436Real smart statement there Naruto.
>>289232553Itachi was confirmed dead and then confirmed undead. It ain't him.
>>289232455Why would Kabuto assume Madara would know or care about Orochimaru?
>>289232521Was Morio within that group?
>>289232582You expect me to believe this rasengan was stronger than the all the attacks the bijuus did on Madara?
>>289232521Suddenly it's possible for Naruto to run out of chakra?
>>289232487Still only a B rank jutsu.
>>289232507HOLY SHIT ALL OF THESE GUYS ARE HOKAGE LEVEL
>>289232487>>289233246I was gonna say Yugito's fire release was more impressive.
>>289232507Look at all these kage level fighters!
Yea...
>>289232608>AIEE>>289232641Gaara being able to do this is kinda crazy.
>>289233681How is Mifune 2 tiers below Hanzo
>>289232711>>289232735>>289232974>>289232989Arigatou, OP!
>>289233065>the allied forcedOnly Gaara, Ohnoki, Naruto and the lava guy did anything relevant.
>>289233752Look closely. There is a bum version of Hanzo in the same tier. I vibe scaled Prime Hanzo.
>>289233681Put Itachi above Madara you coward
>>289233681>itachi in the same tier as the guy he effortlessly oneshot
>>289233845And that's still more than what they did against Madara.
>>289233065Lol no. Madara is universally loved because he is unequivocally DBZ coded. With that, the show is gonna lose some complexity but in return new life is injected into the manga.
>>289232653Why does it turn purple if it's a sharingan evolution
>>289233405>rasenshuriken damage is like countless little blades>essentially million knivesyeah he never stood a chance
>>289234016You're the kind of thoughtless retard and moron that ruined this series.
>>289232681How does he know Kabuto doesn't have a sharingan
>>289233065Yeah yeah bro every fucking thread you're gonna cry nonstop like you've been doing pretending you're someone new. What's fucking new, man? Can you go get friends or soemthing? Genuinely. How is this truly the best use of your time day in and out for years?
>>289234016>Madara is universally loved because he is unequivocally DBZ coded.Naruto isn't DBZ. It has (or used to have) its own identity.>new life is injected into the mangaHe literally made everything more generic and more braindead than it already was, lmao.You're genuinely a fucking retard.
>>289234198>Yeah yeah bro every fucking thread you're gonna cry nonstop like you've been doing pretending you're someone new.And you're gonna keep coming back nonstop to these threads to seethe and act like every post criticizing this manga is one single person. I'd say you're the far more of pathetic retard than anyone else from these threads.
>>289233681Solo King is clearly Madara tier, having solo'd (easily) PAIN at full power. Hell put him about Madara for now. Madara is gonna have like 6 more tiers all for himself soon anyway
>>289234261Nah I post once orttwice every few threads and just find you to be an utter fucking loser who posts and responds to yourself. It's a fucking Manga for little boys. Shut the fuck up. It's drawings. Go find importance in something else in life. Madara is great and you're just clinically miserable and projecting it on people who don't give a fuck. Everyone hopes you an hero. Madara >>>> you
>289234261I like how you proved him correct by immediately responding to his post hours later after you made your own. You really do just sit in this fucking thread all day hoping for (you)s.
>>289234315>>289234346madara is liquid shit just like the rest of part 2
>>289234346>hours laterNta but it's only been like 40 minutes retard. Not like you understand basic math.
Which of the uchihas is narratively the worst?
>>289234315>>289234346samefagging retard lmao
so it might be confusing what gaara means by "demon" when he talks about the bloody tears of the dead mixing with the quicksand and bestowing ever greater power upon the "demon".he has a demon inside him and in eng his name was put as "demon who loves himself".but if you look at the jp here, he uses shura in the place the eng uses demon. he says the bloody tears of the dead mix with the quicksand and bestow ever greater power upon the shura, which ties into his name being derived from shura.he also uses bakubaku taru / 漠漠たる when describing the vast quicksand and 漠 is a kanji also found in desert / sabaku / 砂漠 so it seems like wordplay to me.sabaku / desert literally means vast sand. the baku / 漠 part means vast. bakubaku taru / 漠漠たる is "vast, vast" or "incredibly vast".and quicksand is jp is ryuusa / 流砂 which sounds like current of sand, so there's more aquatic imagery here to go along with sand waterfall / 砂瀑 etc.
>>289234200You need to keep escalating the stakes as the story progresses. That's storytelling 101. The entire fucking series has been building to this moment, you can't have him NOT deliver and be below Pain in terms of power. We also literally see a giant demon nine tailed fox at the beginning of the show, so your argument of this "ruining" the series falls flat. You don't understand this show at all, if you wrote this instead of Kishi it would have been axed 400 chapters ago.
>>289234554I think Obito takes the cake. He's just suddenly super strong for no reason. The others are shit, but at least they're either legendary or prodigies.
>>289234198>>289234315>STOP CRITICIZING THING I LIKE REEEEEEI just don't get why retards like you keep coming to this site when you have places like reddit that you can visit as much as you'd like, who promote circlejerking and filter most opinions that don't agree with the norm. And yet you still decided to come here and seethe at people who actually give a shit about the story and the writing of what they're consuming.Genuinely, are you retarded or something?
>>289232487>>289232507>>289232521>>289232541>>289232560It’s crazy how much the anime improved this fight.
>>289234676>You need to keep escalating the stakes as the story progresses.people say things like this but i wonder about it. my argument is you need to have stakes, yes, but they don't need to keep getting bigger. sra followed the chuunin exams/konoha crush and was good despite having lower stakes.
>>289234594It's really funny how Shakespearean Gaara was being in this scene from the forest. Also, in his flashback, Yashamaru says his mother called him a shura, too.
>>289234676>>289234744Yeah I agree with how "muh stakes" don't need to always be high. In part 1, I think the biggest stakes were during the Konoha crush. It's kinda tiresome how every shounen needs to have a "IF THE BAD GUYS WINS THE WHOLE WORLD WILL END!!!" scenario.
>>289234744SRA was all about spectacle over story telling because the actual story besides Sasuke leaving is straight dogshit.
>>289234749yeah, gaara's a strangely funny character overall.he gets poetic randomly... and he uses sand magic seemingly inspired by tanuki testicles... and he has love carved onto his forehead. he strikes me as a really japanese character in the vein that he's really strange. like only japan would write this character.and gaara, rasa, and karura all have the ra / 羅 part of shura / 修羅 in their names.also karura is apparently how garuda is spelled in jp, and a garuda/karura are bird spirits in hinduism and buddhism, which i guess can be called protective for defending their territory, although, i think they're mostly known for fighting against nagas, which were serpentine people.
>>289232521>>289233567>used up all my chakra>also the war pretty much ends in the span of 24hrs from this point onMake it makes sense.
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/282986493/#282986493
Bros lets be real. Madara is a jabroni jobber who could never draw a dime.
>>289234685You are extremely mentally ill and he's entirely right. The fact you keep making these replies says it all. Nta BTW. Now do it to me too bb, I need some attention. What skills do you have? Ever thought about taking this time you invest into crying about drawings for little boys all day every day into learning to weld or doing anything at all? Kekw nta btw
>>289232989thanks, OP!
Let us focus on the real important things in this chapter:
>>289234945I'm pretty sure the anon was referring to how the arc had low stakes because it was simply about saving Sasuke from Orochimaru instead saving the world from being destroyed or something. >because the actual story besides Sasuke leaving is straight dogshit.It isn't.
>>289234676>You need to keep escalating the stakes as the story progresses. That's storytelling 101.no it isn'tmost stories don't do that
>>289235254I like how the anime made her be the first person to injure Madara.
Oh this is the most significant chapter in the whole manga
>>289232681>Do not misunderstand, this is not your creation, BAKA!Tsundere Madara
>>289232521AIEE NOOOO!! Not THEE Madara Uchiha!
This is like my fav episode of the anime. It's so well animated. Covers this and next chapter. The manga version is kind of bland compared to it. You can feel the scale in the anime. Especially the team work between Ohnoki and Gaara for the meteor, and Naruto and Gaara at the beginning.
>>289232474>I even fixed you up a bitwhat does that even meanmade him younger?
>>289234714beating up on a bunch of fodder really isn't interesting in the first place and it needs good animation just to be decent, even Konans lake split jutsu is more impressive than anything in this fight
>>289235254>>289235282You guys want to upscale Temari with that anime feat?
>>289232596>had to rely on Susan to protect himselfWeak.
>>289232641Would you think Madara was weak if he lost here?
>>289235464I would like to scale up Tsunade as an architect, preferably by means of pregnancy, if that's what you mean.
>>289234945it has good character moments. we get to see kiba and neji get retribution, suna gets retribution too. i'm iffy on lee coming back. shikamaru gets his first mission as a leader. there's a lot going on besides sasuke leaving that i liked.>>289235256yeah, basically.it's objectively lower stakes than saving konoha from destruction but it's still good.
>>289232653oh he meant giving him the special eye lol
>>289232711Temari is scared
>>289232974Did Kishi fall behind schedule, so he just added a page with a really big rock?
>>289233488Kabuto needs to be concerned that madara immediately knows what the endotensei is
>>289235033i'll add that the entire relationship with shukaku is also pretty funny and bizarre. since gaara is crazy and bloodthirsty, it gives the feeling that the demon inside him must be too, but when we get to see shukaku, he's a drunk retard. he's the opposite of kurama. shukaku is goofy while kurama is serious.and did gaara talk to shukaku and think he was talking to his mom? it's unclear what was going on there. but if gaara was talking to drunk old guy shukaku and thinking it was his mom, that'd be hilarious.
>>289232750So is praying qt sadly>>289232487>>289232507>>289232521Honestly I think the anime did this whole sequence better. This is entirely too fast
>>289233488I mean... maybe? Orochimaru still has bigger credentials than Kabuto
>>289235596Kabuto is a fucking retard.>solo king breaks edo tensei and takes out his Trump card (Nagato) >man I guess I better summon the most powerful Uchiha now, who also has the Rinnegan, effectively making him a combo of Nagato and Solo King... what could go wrong? >madara breaks edo tensei>shockedpikachu.jpg
>>289235704Oro was like fifteen when Madara diedat best he was in juvie, not raping Uchiha boys and murder kage
>>289235404Rinnegan in his youth instead of as a crusty old man.>>289232487It's powerful but not too crazy. Right now Madara seems reasonable.>>289235682The anime went a bit too hard on the Madara hype. Understandably so, but still. I guess it makes sense based on what comes later.
>>289232521>Kishimoto drawing fightskek>>289235732Obviously, but still it doesn't hurt to drop Oro's name
>>289232560Base Naruto (and a clone at that, not even the real one) can throw a Super Oodama Rasengan now? Isn't this an upscale?>>289233558To be fair I think that was sage Madara at that point, but still.>>289232608>>289232625CHAD mode will save the day>>289232641CHAD mode already forced Madara to go Rinnegan
>>289235256>It isn't.Everything about Naruto vs Sasuke is kinda bad actually.
>>289232641You know, I can buy the sand seeping in somehow, but Gaara should not have been able to pull Madara out. Susan either blocks solid attacks or it doesn't. Pick a lane Kishi.
>>289233939>>289233065I mean, looking at this chapter, Gaara, Naruto (clone) and Oonoki actually did push Madara around. It wasn't a one sided stomp or anything. If you want to complain, wait for Madara to troll the 5 Kages.
>>289235801No, Naruto only turned sage later.
>>289235839>>289232641Susanoobros.... are we getting lowdiffed by YOMI NUMA?
>>289233681I'd disagree Madara is on the MADARA tier based on this chapter alone unless you count the meteor, but that might still be kind of higher GEDO tier?MADARA tier will show up pretty soon though.
>>289235710Itachi broke Edo Tensei because he had one of the most miraculous, broken eye in the setting already set up in Naruto's belly.Madara broke it because he randomly knew the way out.Completely different things. And Madara helped, so...
>>289234677>I think Obito takes the cake. He's just suddenly super strong for no reason. The others are shit, but at least they're either legendary or prodigies.Kakashi finding out that his dumbass teammate is the villain threatening the entire world was surreal as hell.
>>289235762Kishi probably stickman drew the storyboard for the anime as reference, or worse, saw the anime storyboard and thought hmm, how do I translate all that motion and angles into my page... I KNOw
>>289235033>garuda/karura are bird spirits in hinduism and buddhism, which i guess can be called protective for defending their territory, although, i think they're mostly known for fighting against nagas, which were serpentine people.Deidara's C4 is also called garuda, and sure enough, he used it against Hebi Sasuke.
>>289235945That's not the first time Kishi draws some curvy lines to hint at a guy going BEYBLADE on people. Kakashi vs Hidan comes to mind.I can't complain too much since we actually got a fight in an entire chapter with some decently interesting moves and combinations. But it's always funny to see.
>>289235938Didn't Itachi actually also break it some other way? Just because Kotoamatsukai makes him want to help Konoha doesn't mean Kabuto can't control him. None of the edos want to do what they're doing.
>>289236005No, that was entirely Koto, he was fighting on Kabuto's order before that. Itachi glazing needs to calm down, Kishimoto goes hard on it but not THAT hard
>>289233619It always felt like spitting a giant stone wall out of your mouth was more impressive than spitting water.
>>289236020Then it just doesn't make sense though.
We have 3 overpowered Uchiha's in the war right now. Itachi, Madara and "Madara".When will we see some legendary Hyuga's?
>>289236054How? Itachi activates his Mangekyou (because he's fighting), triggers Koto, gets freed.>>289236056Honestly Itachi isn't that broken compared to the other two. Other than Totsuka potential I guess since it has no theoretical ceiling.
>>289232891Madara has my favorite mangekyo eyeball design. Shame they disappear so quickly.
>>289236091But why would Koto free him? Changing what he wants to do doesn't do anything. Kabuto should still be able to control him.
>>289236132Think ultimate genjutsu that just breaks rules of everything.
>>289232641How did sank penetrate an invincible armor?
>>289235969yeah, true
>>289236301There's sand below it. The question would be more "how does it pull you OUT of this"
>>289234554Definitely Obito. He gets a ton of narrative focus but he's the weakest villain in the whole series. His tragic backstory is the worst, his motivation is shit. He's just Pain but worse in every way right down to his shoddy "redemption." Kishi brought him back just to character assassinate him. He should've stayed dead in the Kakashi gaiden.
>>289232521Which mode temari? One tail? Four tails? Six tails? 8 tails? Sage mode? KCM? There is a lot going on and he aren’t done yet!
Studio Pierrot came through for this episode because Kishi couldn't be bothered.
>>289232711It’s so funny how we get how fucking broken madara is right off the bat. Meteor aside, being able to use both mangekyo sharigan and rinnegan when it was never brought up till now is so hilarious stupid but I love how it just kept escalating to the summoning. not to mention the 2nd meteor
>>289236056Funnily enough, up to the point that he gets the Rinnegan, Obito isn't actually shown as being THAT strong. Pretty much all his major feats prior to the final battle with him involve Kamui spam or Izanagi, both of which ARE broken, make no mistake, but he doesn't show off any major offensive techniques beside good taijutsu and genjutsu (though not much better than, say, Sasuke), and his finishing move always seems to be to get close to opponents and absorb them with Kamui. What really makes him a threat is that he's REALLY hard to hit, but there's ways around that, and we've already seen three occasions where he pretty much WAS defeated, two of which he only survived because of Izanagi. Itachi and Pain show off WAY more prowess than Obito does, again, until the final battle, when he reveals he also has the power of Hashirama cells, and of course the Rinnegan.
CHAD Lee will show this Uchihakek whose boss!
>>289233681Wait till he goes above his own tier
>>289236555His upcoming fight shows us that even as Orange Mask he was a monster. There is shit Obito always had without the extra rinnegan like Wood Style and Kamui fire style. Or Uchiha barrier jutsu. He'd mop the floor with Hokage Minato
>>289236555He also went head to head with Minato at what 16 years old? He could fully control the nine tails, which apparently no Uchiha other than Madara did and he mind controlled the Mizukage for years.
>>289236555Obito is still a threat on Itachi level easily, but war arc upscaled him by making him more durable than a cockroach
>>289236646>He'd wipe the floor with Hokage Mina-AIIIIEEEEEEE!!!
>>289236589Want to hear some good news?War arc Lee will likely be placed higher than War arc Kakashi
>>289232521the anime had that cool scene with him throwing that dude with an explosive tag
>>289236673Obito would be stronger than Madara if he simply took his other Sharingan back (which would have been childs play - literally taking candy from a child)Double speed of Kamui + Ranged Kamui + susanoo.
>>289236056I remember when this chapter first came out everyone was speculating that Neji could get a sharingan somehow.
>>289236056What, you think there was some old Hyuga head that gave Madara some trouble? Get real. Hyuga's are fodder. They don'r have history. No legends. No evil rogue shinobi.
>>289236056>When will we see some legendary Hyuga's?m-maybe the final villain will have the Byakugan...
>>289236880>No legends, no rogue ninjaWhich is funny, because you'd think otherwise considering they are famous for being strong and slaving half of their population.
>>289236880How many actually named/famous clans have legendary shinobi?Uchiha, Senju, Hagoromo and Sarutobi i guess? Including Naruto or Tsunade for the Uzumaki feels like cheating desu.Funny, none of those renowned actually have any shinobi they are famous for.
It's kinda funny how basically all the most powerful shinobi (or 50% for Konoha) are rogues.
I feel like part 2 completely ruins the aspect of kekkei genkai being something too strong that people feel threatned enough to steal or genocide people over.Like, besides the Uchiha and Hashirama specifically, why would you even bother with the other kekkei genkais!? Most of the actually powerful shinobi in this setting didn't have them.None of the shinobi that stole the minor kekkei genkais actually became worth shit because of it, Kabuto would've been a shitter if he didn't have sage mode on top of his stollen jobber DNA.Really fucking laughable to think people were throwing their lives away over the possibility of stealing a Byakugan.
>>289236884Ngl I completely forgot Kaguya Isshiki and the alientards have Byakugans... Says a lot itself...
>>289236734Nothing Obito does, or more precisely, doesn't do, makes any sense. Worst written character by far.
>>289237389Even the Alien that has NO OTHER doujutsu than the Byakugan doesn't fucking use it, like, not even when using it would've been appropriate.It genuinely feels like it's done out of spite, as if Kishimoto has one rule imprinted on the wall of both Ikemoto and SP's writing room that they are not allowed to write the Byakugan to be used in any significant or relevant way.
>>289232560>"I ran out of chakra">has a giant ball of chakra 8 times bigger than a normal person
>>289237642To be fair it just says he doesn't have enough chakra to pull KCM from his base clone reserve but I guess he can still somewhat manage an Oodama Rasengan and even Sage mode with enough time
>>289232427Once you get past the aura and hype moments of Madara, he's not really an inspired character.It's not interesting that he's just so much stronger than everyone else for no reason. Hashirama included.Madara is so strong the 5 kage stand 0% chance at winning. Winning because you are overwhelmingly more powerful is less interesting than winning because you are more competent, skilled or smart.He cannot lose. And yet he also doesn't kill anyone. Obito spikes Neji and that's it. His motivation is fine but inferior to Nagato's. Though it's also ass backwards in conjunction with his character. He wants to save humanity from suffering by putting them in eternal sunshine dream? It just doesn't fit his character. It's not a clever juxtaposition. He loves to fight. Flaunts his strength.Judges people based on power. But also oh woe world is so sad and cruel. I understand Obito doing it.It really does feel more natural that Obito was doing his own thing pretending to be Madara, while the real Madara has nothing to do with the Tsukuyomi plan. Him becoming a chaotic piece on the board that fucks with everyone and exposes Obito would have been more fun.
>>289237805>Hashirama includedonly with his Kabuto buffsBut yeah it should have been more of a back and forth
>>289237805The other anon wasn't lying. Jesus christ dude get a hobby.
>>289232641>>289232625So, Gaara can just bypass Susanoo?
>>289233681Rivals btw
>>289237389>Ngl I completely forgot Kaguya Isshiki and the alientards have Byakugans... Says a lot itself...Byakugan is literally the least of the Ootsutsuki powers.
It's very easy to tell most if not all of the posts are automated. Eerie.
>>289237042>HagoromoNo known ninjas from it, although based on their outfits it's likely that Kinkaku and Ginkaku were part of it.
>>289237863>only with his Kabuto buffsHe would have had Hashirama powers without the special buffs, but Kabuto made it more powerful, probably.
>>289238141He only got Hashirama power after he lost and got crippled
>>289238160Yeah but he lived for decades after that. His resurrection would have maintained his Hashirama cells.
>>289238203True, but the point is still the same, this isn't Madara, this is Madara+++. If Madara just got revived before his Hashirama fight with no amps, he'd be way weaker than now, and if he got revived after his Hashirama fight then it'd be the same, he'd be old or not have most of these powers.
asking againhow would Itachi (full edo tensei power) fare against Madara (without rinnegan)
>>289238260Solo king solos himsword of kektesukek, gg
I still don't see how aliens are going to somehow come into this. I would think it's trolling I haven't seen the characters hundreds of times
>>289238260Loses to stronger Susanoo unless he can somehow Tsukuyomi, but probably not.
>>289238293Madara would BS something like stealing the blade and mirror for his own Susano'o.
>>289238373I mean he could just block Totsuka or not get hit, does he really need to undo the gimmick on a fundamental level
>>289238025Gai is Madata's rival, not Kakashi'sReminder Gai WILL be in a tier above Itachi and PainPain was SAVED that Gai was conveniently sent away during his invasion
>>289232582>Already pushed to use Susanookek.>Already pushed even further to use the Rinnegan alreadyLmao how lame.
>>289238260Madara on a meta sense has one However over Itachi. We still don't know what his unique MS ability is. It could be perfectly tailor made to counter Itachi's bullshit.
>>289238405His MS ability is that gay phantom clone thing
>>289238395Kakashi is BASE Guy's rival. Back in part 1 Sasuke by just seeing Guy for the first time notes he's stronger than even Kakashi.
Gai fighting SOSP Madara will never not be retsrdedGai not using taijutsu but energy blasts larping as taijutsu will also never not be lameCould have been the best taijutsu ever and instead nothingGai breaks powerscaling way worse than muhdara
>>289238466Guy killing Madara would have been based.
>>289232455>Why revive me in this strange way?Actually, why not? He knew the jutsu and having him around to ensure his plans succeed (and revive him for real later) seems like the much safer option than letting him being death for 95% of the plan. Heck, why trusting Tobi to begin with? Just do everything yourself abusing edo tensei.
>>289238497>Guy with Lee's assist put 6 paths Madara on deaths door.>Tenten swoops in and seals that bum into the gourdTeam 10 are the real mvp's
>>289238519>neji>deadkek
>>289232521that mode?!
>>289238395it's ludo thougheverbeit
why is Madara's hair so long? doesn't he know it's pretty girly to let it grow to that length?
anime really carried the Madara intro, the chapter itself is more boring than i remembered.
>>289238419The Phantom is a rinnegan ability
What killed the hype?
>>289238635Eyepowers
>>289238605God what a waste it was for 8th gate to not only do nothing to Madara.Nothing was accomplished. Guy couldn't even die.
>>289238635Kishimoto and Uchiha
>>289238627It's weirdly paced. There is no build up to the meteor. It just hits you in the face with how ridiculous the power jump is all of a sudden.
>>289232596Weird how the Legendary Madara never equipped his Susanoo with any unique tools like Itachi did.
>>289238680He couldn't find them.
>>289238680For all we know Madara could have been the previous user of the Yatta mirror and Totsuka blade. His edo would just replicate it. Like it does rinnegan for Nagato. But it seems only Solo King has them because he's just that fricking cool
Madara's VA's help carry him. I didnt like him much til last storytime
>>289232641I always imagined Susanoo as basically a chakra cloak, constantly surrounding it's user. Madara moves = Susanoo moves with it etc. Here it looks either like a separate entity, or it's been effected by inertia?
>>289238748Did you know Musashi has the same va in Baki?
>>289238768Imperfect susanoo has always been immobile. Like a statue. Only once it has legs does it move also
>>289237805>Once you get past the aura and hype moments of Madara, he's not really an inspired character.That's the point. Did you forget the Uchiha's themselves didn't trust him? Fucking speedreader.>It's not interesting that he's just so much stronger than everyone else for no reason.He literally grew up in war, as did Hashirama.>His motivation is fine but inferior to Nagato's.How? It's essentially the same motivation.>He wants to save humanity from suffering by putting them in eternal sunshine dream?>It just doesn't fit his character.He's literally a man out of time. They keep hammering it home how the old ways were wrong. We even fucking see it in the first arc of the manga. This wasn't obvious to you?>It really does feel more natural that Obito was doing his own thing pretending to be Madara, while the real Madara has nothing to do with the Tsukuyomi plan.Obito plays the illusion of Madara, he talks and thinks how Obito thinks Madara should be. Then audience actually meets the real Madara and he just a guy that likes fighting. That's a great piece of storytelling that CLEARLY went over your head.>Him becoming a chaotic piece on the board that fucks with everyone and exposes Obito would have been more fun.This is your solution to the "problem"?
>>289238840>That's the point.we've reached a point where people don't even understand what this phrase means and just use it as a form of mimicry
katsura from gintama has the same jp va as gaara. he's also kaworu in evangelion and the persona 3 protagonist. he's good at doing a kind of apathetic and tired voice or sounding kinda quiet and creepy.
>>289234554Many will say Obito and that's probably the right answer but I'm still hung up on how retarded Itachi is personally
>>289238840>His motivation is fine but inferior to Nagato's.>How? It's essentially the same motivation.That's kind of exactly why Obito and Madara are so lame compared to Pain, because they are just repeating the same shit he did. They even end up having the same eyeball powers as him. Show really did peak there
>>289239076It's not the same.One is maintaining peace through power and the other is putting humanity into a matrix.
>>289232711>>289233212Yeah this has to be Kuchiyose jutsu right? Since earth-style doesn't create jutsu out of thin air. My problem with this is it's size. We know chakra required to summon things scales with the size of the object.This thing here looks like, idk at least 10km in diameter? I mean look at the mountains our characters kept fighting. Now both Tsunade and Sakura, each releasing their seal and Sakura even having Kurama's chakra, could summon only 10% of Katsuyu, which was maybe a few hundreds meter wide. We know Edo Tensei don't have infinite chakra, it just regenerates insanely fast. So Madara, by default, at the very least has 100 times the chakra of 100% Tsunade/Sakura combined? Seems extremely exaggerated.
>>289238788>Imperfect susanoo has always been immobile. Not really
>>289239254It's not consistent
It was nice of Madara to greet the new generation with some good old close quarters beating before dropping a meteor on them.
>>289234554they're all kinda stupid because the story wanks the uchiha with eyehax off too much.madara's stupid op and has a retarded plan that relies on too many outside forces and he falls into the "i was behind it all along manipulating others" thing and it's horrible. and then someone else was also manipulating him who was also just a tool for someone else. but madara is at least funny i guess.obito gets away with a lot more retarded shit though. he can take on minato for some reason and can teleport to naruto anytime he wants but never takes advantage of it for his retarded plan.he is responsible for the deaths of naruto's parents and then naruto just brushes it aside and calls him the coolest guy. yes, i know he's talking about the old obito who wanted to be hokage, but it still feels hamfisted.and obito's interdimensional eye powers are kinda stupid in the context of naruto. it's a mostly grounded ninja world. sure, they fit his personality, but it feels more like a dbz power or something, and it feels unintuitive. why can eyes open pocket dimensions?itachi just feels stupid for how far he pushed sasuke for no reason. he tried to kill him in part 1 and only tsunade could save him yet itachi loved sasuke all along. and itachi gets surprised that sasuke tries to abandon konoha after constantly pushing him towards hatred. wtf did you think would happen? it's stupid how the story tries to paint itachi as a good guy as well when he's morally gray and did a lot of fucked up shit to save sasuke.he's stupid op as well, but at least his story is more contained and didn't contribute to the overall retardation of the moon eye plan or jinchuriki plot lines.so, obito is the worst for me.
>>289233488He doesn't.He's actually vagueposting with another "him" referring to Tobi.
>>289234676Once stakes become too high they stop being believable or interesting and less tense than smaller scale stories. If the stakes are about destroying the entire world it's just highly unlikely that will happen since that means the end of the story and it's unlikely for Naruto to end in such a way. But individual places or characters dying is much more believable since they could actually be done and the narrative still continue, Konoha could be destroyed and the story go on. Of course the story walked that back and even those deaths there too which makes future attempts to raise the stakes even less effective.
>>289235404you know, new knees, touched up his skin, bigger dick, standard stuff
>Temari injured the strongest Raikage>Tenten got the powerful sage tools>Ino became the best telephone in her clanSurely, Hinata and Sakura will get similar buffs soon, right?
>>289232681The simultaneous triple hand signs is pretty cool. I can't remember any other time a jutsu requires something like that.
W-where's Shiho?
>>289232711I honestly don't remember this being a rinnegan ability.
>>289239402Itachi is the one that gets the most unwarranted wank so he's the worst imo
>>289239254>Ninja whose supposed to risk his life on a daily basis>Piss and shits over SOLO KINGThis is someone's GOAT btw.
>>289232521oh thank god gaara save that one guy from being sliced through, where we be without him?
>>289238768>I always imagined Susanoo as basically a chakra cloak, constantly surrounding it's user. Madara moves = Susanoo moves with it etc. Here it looks either like a separate entity, or it's been effected by inertia?Gaara grabbed both Madara and his Susano'o and yanked them apart.
>>289239402I give Madara a pass because he uses the Sharigan as tools instead of a power up. He doesn't have the imagination to use genjutsu besides subjugation so he gives Nagato and Obito the Akatsuki. Obito has always been a dumb person even the manga he's obnoxious and caused his own demise. He's far more immature than Naruto to the point my only regret is he didn't go full edge lord and impregnate Kushina. Itachi has an excuse he wanted for be killed and disappointed Sasuke is using Chidori of all things, Orochimaru, and gave up on being a villain cause Sasuke needs to be told what to do.
>>289239215It's the Rinnegan's Tendo Path to pull meteors. Yes it's stupid that just making handsigns with Susano'o allows him to drag shit from space so Kishi just has him use Chibaku Tensei with rocks instead the 2nd time he pulls that.
When's the next time Shikamaru gets wanked?
>>289232711Ninjas?
Shikamaru....Uchiha?
>>289241156Where would he place on the power scale
>>289232711Where did that fucking thing even come from? Was it floating in the asteroid belt or did madara teleport a chunk of the moon to earth?
>>289232560>>289232582>>289232641Madara getting outskilled so bad he just says fuck it and decides to drop a meteor so gaara, naruto, and onoki stop embarrassing himhe just relies overwhelming power and OP abilities, no skill
>>289235840>If you want to complain, wait for Madara to troll the 5 Kages.Yeah, that's the thing. Madara was just fucking around, and they didn't manage anything. Thanks for proving my point.
>>289240889volume 1, chapter 1, page 1
>>289233006where was he when the meteor fell?
>>289241688That's every sharingan user. Is this your first chapter?
>>289241919What about it
>>289242070it was never about ninjas throwing shurikens
>>289241736>Thanks for proving my point.Why are you Naruto autists so passive aggressive?
>>289236673>Hokage Minato>featless guy fraudchecked by teen Bee
>>289241940I don't think sasuke vs deidara was sasuke relying on overwhelming power / abilities with no skill, nor do I think kakashi vs pain has kakashi rely on overwhelming power or OP abilities (used kamui once but also used raikiri, earth walls, lightning clones, etc)also maybe I'm misreading the tone of the post but I'd like to direct you towards the question in this post >>289242197
>>289242161...So?
>>289241688What would be considered "skill" at this point in the story?
>>289241919Sounds a lot cooler here without knowing all that extra dumb shit revealed later on
>>289242359Feels like this is one guy who's autistically aggressive with everyone about his children comic book. Same phrasing
>>289242197Probably because there are other turbo agressive and autistic retards you have to communicate with itt like >>289242635 and >>289234198 (though I'm pretty sure both are the same person)
>>289242861What the FUCK are you talking about you retarded autist?I'm >>289242197 and >>289242635 and I was the one defending Madara (so far), and I got passive aggressive signaling by the autist (probably (You)) for that despite my message being perfectly peacefulThis guy you accuse me of samefagging >>289234198 is also defending Naruto but by calling the first guy names, which is what I was complaining about in my message.And now you're justifying autists going overdrive and calling people names over completely asinine cartoon shit because.... I told a guy maybe he could chill?I don't even know what you're on about. Am I talking to an actual bot?
>>289242971>this is your average Madara defending retard
>>289243010I'm not even a Madara fan, retard. I defended his FIRST CHAPTER. I think he's way too overpowered.
>>289243030Zombies in Naruto are consistently overpowered. The Third Hokage sealed the 1st and 2nd cause they were too powerful and took Orochimaru's arms as a cost effective solution. Madara can be stopped by being in the reaper death seal but I think Naruto moved away from ninjas to religious imagery.
>>289243331It's not about powerlevels or whether things are "logical", I just think it makes him feel too disconnected. Makes for less compelling fights...
>>289242971I'm sorry anon, I didn't mean to be so mean.
>>289243412Anonymous posting can get confusing huh. No biggie
>>289242235It was a group effort
>>289243357Madara is disconnected cause he's what happened if Naruto got the Sharigan and wanted to become Hokage so everyone respected him.
>>289243463"Why" doesn't matter, I'd feel these fights more if Madara was ACTUALLY in some kind of danger instead of just being able to nosell whatever's thrown his way even when it lands and should by all means inflict heavy damage
>>289237996Susan probably thought it was just real non-magic sand.
>>289232711This whole sequence being only one chapter is surprising.The anime really carried Madara.
>>289232653
>>289232507Holy fuck, all these guys are kage level?
cute
>>289232625>>289232641out fucking skilled>>289232653ass pull
this all happens way faster than I remember. madara is a broken bitch. no wonder kishi had to write some bullshit to finish him off.
>>289236734>>289237484a substantial amount of his plan revolves around maintaining the facade of actually being Madara. it's what keeps the Kage from declaring open war on him and hunting him down, a battle he almost certainly would lose before gaining the rinnegan. if he went after Kakashi specifically to reclaim his eye, it would expose who he actually is or at least give enough doubt that he's Madara that his bluff would start to fall apart.
Why did soloking traumatize the ones he loved instead of soloing Pain and Obito?
>>2892385131. he didn't know Orochimaru had learnt the ability, as far as he was aware the technique had died with Tobirama2. his whole 10 Tails Jinchuriki/six paths sage plan relies on him actually being alive, it doesn't work with an ET puppet. he assumes the only way he's coming back is through Rinne Rebirth, so when he wakes up as an Edo Tensei his immediate thought is the plan has gone so far south that Rinne Rebirth is no longer an option, which would lock him out of Infinite Tsukuyomi. as far as he knows, this "Kabuto" person is working entirely independently of Obito so he has no clue what's going on.
>>289239864Sakura clocks Kaguya pretty good. that's it
Hinata literally gave birth to the strongest shinobi ever. She won by default
>>289247388Do NOT question Solobeast. Lest you face his wrath.
>>289247388Solo king is beyond saving the world
>>289241156Just base 3 tomoe Sharingan would carry him immensely. He already has godly reaction speed. He'd be high Jonin. Possibly around Sasuke
bunkura
>>289248214Does 3 tomoe Sharingan even do anything for your reactoin speed if you can already react to vote1 Naruto?
>>289248265It should just scale with your base reaction speed.
>>289248313Does it though? Do Uchiha generally get surprised less than others? (aside from generally being op)
>>289232436Madara disgusted at globohomo
>>289242359>sasuke vs deidara was sasuke relying on overwhelming power / abilities with no skillnot overwhelming power, but he did have the perfect counter to deidara as his main attack style
With the entry of Madara, Naruto officially stopped being about technique and descended into DBZ power level spam
>>289247419Madara himself knew Edo Tensei. He could have taught it Obito or even Zetsu, back back as an edo and make sure everything goes smoothly, or even take matters into his own hands. Then later he could still have used Rinne Tensei to revive himself. I mean, why stay dead for decades and take unnecessary risks? Also why even wait until the very end for Nagato to revive him? Why not sooner? To let Nagato and co. capture the bijuu's first? Again, Madara would have been more capable than all the Akatsuki combined.
>>289243492Tobirama is the only character who can hard counter Madara but he's treated as being in the wrong despite building an army of children to stop him
>>289248243I like this artist's fetish art. Shame how he seems to have slowed down lately.
Is there any actual inuniverse explanation as to why Madara is so op? Hashirama has his demigod cells and kekkei genkai, but why is Madara so much stronger and faster than multiple jonin and kage level characters, even when he doesn't have his MS or Rinnegan activated? And why isn't anyone ever trying to get his DNA like they do with Hashirama?
>>289250599Madara can anticipate the movement and counter using the Sharigan. He's the only characters using the basic setting for what it's intended to do instead of boosting his power.
>>289250599Why do Hashirama's cells make him a demigod?
>>289251346The Senjus are experts at medicine allowing ninjas to go for them. Madara is behind Kazuku as being the second rate doctor using modern techniques.
>>289248882Naruto hasn't been about smart play in a while
>>289243492Madara is a 90s character who just happened to stumble upon the plot. In any other story he'd just be a mid level minion to Kaguya or Nagato but not the big bad. Kishimoto is just copying Gundam where Naruto and Gaara can turn the tide of battle. He lacks the writing to make Kakashi recruit adults
>>289251608The raikage and mizukage fights literally just happened.
>>289252658What was "smart" about A3?Naruto couldn't hurt him, so he made A hurt himself with better reflexes, that's not really outsmarting your opponent.
>>289232641feeet
>>289252715Reminder Ino is a kick based fighter so she has some of the strongest kunoichi feet.
>>289252708To make myself clear, it's less that Naruto going to a weaker form that is better at dodging to outmaneuver his opponent and push his hand into hitting himself is dumb and more so that it's barely distinguishable from Madara going from Susano to Rinnegan depending on What's best for the situation.
>>289252828When did she ever kick someone other than Sakura?
>>289252708There's a bit of a mystery (a small one, but still) about the scar, how he "tied" against Hachibi, and lots of small tactical things like how Naruto double juked him to land his first Rasenshuriken. And of course pulling off that counter was quite subtle. Like, the idea of "make him hit himself" isn't very complicated but on a "mechanical" it requires some finesse and advanced spatial awareness. So you can also count all of that choreography into Naruto being smart.
>>289252897I don't think she ever kicked Sakura in the manga.
>>289252906>on a "mechanical" it requires some finesse and advanced spatial awarenessThat part was completely glossed over and taken for granted though.
>>289252981I think the spread portrays that well. It's a cool composition.
>>289252964>>289252897The games gave her kicks moveset and they're basically soft canon.
>>289252828Yugito must have the strongest toes of any kunoichi, since she clashes her toenails against swords held in hand by one of the strongest guys in the setting.
Madara is the ultimate>random guy our heroes fight in an empty field for no reason
>>289252708>that's not really outsmarting your opponent.It is, it's using a clever maneuver to beat someone stronger than you. It's better than Madara constantly going "unga bunga I punch really hard *teleports behind you* nothin personnel kid".
>>289252828>Ino is a kick based fighterWhich is fucking nonsense because in her fight with Sakura she clearly used boxing techniques which can be assumed that Asuma taught her.Sakura should have been a kicker so she would have more of a unique fighting style compared to Tsunade. Her own identity rather than Tsunade but flat.I fucking hate Naruto Shippuden
>>289253210Both legitimately more skilled than part 1 Naruto btw.
>>289253240>fight so fucking terrible even characters in-universe thought it was boringwill never fail to crack me up
>>289233065this is where i originally dropped the manga. madara showing up and low diffing every ninja in the world was a little bit too much uchiha wank
>>289253130The strat in question pretty much requires you to have better reflexes than your opponent, almost on the same level as Shikawank.
>>289253210Part 1 effectively tells us that having good chakra control is essential to learning multiple jutsus but most of the characters who rely on good chakra control barely have more than 2 moves.
>>289253344Yeah but it still requires you to use a clever trick.
>>289253274>6 females in the chunin exams prelims>2 eliminated by males>1 eliminated by a female>1 advances by beating a female and loses in the next round>2 get both eliminated despite being matched against each other because their fight was so terrible neither deserved to advance
>>289253425>1 advances by beating a female and loses in the next roundShe beat Shikamaru
>>289253425>Hinata eliminated by Neji (like 2nd to 3rd strongest genin at the moment)>Kin and Temari were put against ShikawankSomehow feel less humiliating than what the other girls got.>>289253460Kishimoto does not want you to think that though.
>>289253460Oh, true, she only lost spiritually I guess. Did she have another fight?
>>289253508No.
>>289253460But if it was a 4v1, Shikamaru would have won, so actually who's the real winner here?
>>289253240Part 1 Naruto was a shitter so it's not a huge feat
Ya know, for all the shit part 2 gets when compared to part 1 i guess we can at the very least give 2 the credit of treating the female cast as a whole slightly more competent than what was showcase in part 1.
>>289253553Apparently, giving up when you are likely to lose anyway makes you more worthy of becoming a chunin than defeating a bijuu that would be used to destroy your village.
>>289253585That's only true briefly during the Sasori fight and then during the war arc where each of them has a show-off moment.Other than that women still get treated like shit in part 2 (Tsunade does nothing when Konoha is invaded, Kurenai becomes a stay at home mom, Ino is forbidden from doing anything, Yugito exists).
>>289253210>she clearly used boxing techniques which can be assumed that Asuma taught her.Huh, I never realized that. Pretty kino small detail if it was intentional.
>>289253553God damn shikawank super obnoxious even in part 1
>>289253632Tenten killed a Zetsu and one of Kakuzu's heart with the sage tools.Hinata beat a Zetsu and Mini Juubi on top of pushing the actual Juubi's arm into a Mountain.Ino becomes the best support ninja.Sakura surpasses Tsunade and busts Kaguya's Byakugan.Temari is the first to penetrate A3's cloak.Tsunade breaks through Madara's Susan, etc.They have lower lows in part 2 (like most things) but highs far make up for it, most of them have actual named techniques now.
>>289253823woah... they killed THE zetsu?
>>289253585That only applies to the Kazekage arc and the upcoming Madara fight. Outside of that->Sakura is made out to be as despicable as humanly possible>Hinata is a wet sponge>Karin is a punching bag whose only purpose is to be a walking medical kit for a guy that tried to murder her>Mei is easily the worst kage>Konan has the least showings of all Akatsuki members, most of her screentime is just her telling Nagato to stop being a retard during the Pain assault and him telling her to shut upIt's honestly hard to tell if Part 2 treats the female characters worse than Part 1. Both the highs and lows are more extreme.And then there's Kaguya, who is a thoughtless retard, everyone hates her, and she and her black goo kid are the only villains Kishi doesn't end up redeeming in the end.
>>289253823Did you read my post?>then during the war arc where each of them has a show-off moment
>>289253838Killing zetsu is better than doing fucking nothing.
>>289253897My bad.
>>289253988so truethe story just wouldn't be the same if they hadn't killed a zetsu
>>289254072Sakura and Ino weren't even able to defeat fodder like Zaku or Kin, Hinata was jobbing to a toddler and tenten got off screened.Being able to beat fodder now isn't significant but it's an improvement Nonetheless.
>>289254169yup, killing a zetsu turned them into such compelling characters
>>289253638Wish we got more stuff like that. Seeing clearly what each of the members have learned from their teacher. What did Kurenai even teach? How to cook?
>team 7Sakura is the weakest>team 8Hinata is the weakest>team 9Tenten is the weakest>team 10Ino is the weakest>sound teamKin is the weakest>Jonin teachersKurenai is the weakest>SaninTsunade is the most pathetic(jobs to Kabut and does nothing to pain)>AkatsukiKonan does nothing>5 KageMei is the weakest and does nothingTayuya seems pretty strong, but she doesn't really get to use her abilities, because she's forced to fight wankmaru. Temari might be stronger than Kankuro. Yugito seems like one of the stronger jinchuriki, though I've also seem people rank her and Fu at the bottom for the edo-jinchuriki.Anyone I missed?
>>289254271>Kurenai is the weakestNah, that would be Asuma, but i doubt Kishi wanted him to seem that weak.
>>289254271Konan can be argued to be the weakest Akatsuki member because we barely get to see what she can do without prep time, and also she's the only member who got into the Akatsuki because she was the leader's friend rather than because she was really strong (though she is still mostly likely stronger than Hidan).
>>289254271>Temari might be stronger than Kankuro.She's overall stronger than Kankuro imo. Weaker in the raw 1v1, but her support abilities of just throwing forest-destroying wind blasts can't be understated. >>289254323Kurenai's only showing has her get BTFO'd by Itachi and Kisame, and we know she was the only one of the Numbered Team Jonins to only recently become one at the start of the series. Asuma also gets his back busted by Kisame, but he at least draws the tiniest of cuts on him with his knives.
>>289254271Karin is the weakest member from Taka, though she is probably more useful than Suigetsu. Jugo can partially replace her healing role though.
>>289254323Both of them do nothing, but Asuma at least is a shinobi until his death. Even in her fillers Kurenai jobs.>>289254347Her ability is pretty cool and seems like it could be strong, so I went with the much more obvious point that she does nothing while every other member does something.
>>289253553>Naruto comes up with an actually clever strategy to fake his loss to lure his opponent into a vulnerable position, then then flawlessly closes the trap for a victory>"Yeah well... he's just too reckless, no way we could make him a chuunin">Shikamaru comes up with an extremely convoluted strategy that burns all of his chakra, not only forcing him to give up but which would have screwed him over in the later rounds even if he had won>"Wow Shikamaru is so smart and capable and handsome, his strategy would have worked perfectly if he'd had a 4v1 advantage! Get this kid sized for a jobber jacket immediately!"
>>289254401Those attacks from Itachi would've vaporized every other Jonin but Gai
>>289254404Somehow I consistently forget Karin exists.>she is probably more useful than SuigetsuOverall true, but they all would've died to Bee's TBB without Suigetsu.
>>289254401Kurenai managed to also put Kisame into a genjutsu right before attacking Itachi then dispell Itachi's genjutsu fast enough to avoid his attacks which made him praise her.I feel like that's more than Asuma ever did despite how little it is, but i'm pretty sure that was not Kishi's intention while writing those characters.
>>289254443He wasn't using the totsuka leg.
>>289254261>What did Kurenai even teach?Nothing. I really don't know why Kishi made her a genjutsu specialist when her entire team centers around tracking. Hinata's team as a whole really got the short end of the stick. Team 7 is the main one, Asuma's has shikawank, and Guy's team has Lee being impressive in part 1 and Guy being a prominent character in part 2. Kurenai, Hinata, Kiba and Shino all genuinely get nothing. They couldn't even let Kiba and Shino do anything to help Hinata (aka their teammate) rescue her sister in The Last. But of course they let Shikamaru of all people be part of the main group!
>>289254555She taught them Genjutsu dispelling which Shino uses when Kabuto makes everyone else sleep.
Such an organic thread we have here
>>289254555>They couldn't even let Kiba and Shino do anything to help Hinata (aka their teammate) rescue her sister in The Last. But of course they let Shikamaru of all people be part of the main group!I unironically believe that when SP handed Kishi the script he went like "remove those shitters and replace them with Shikamaru".
>>289254550>Itachi has a third legCalm down, Kishimoto.He's not real.
Kurenai is so hot man, why couldn't Kishi let her do something?How does a character with her design not even make it into the top 100??
>>289254401People clown on Kurenai for that but... that's a good performance?
>>289254794I think people just exaggerate how bad it is because it's the first and last time she fights.Kinda of like how people tend to exaggerate how bad Yamcha being killed by a Saibaman was even though the story played it straight when it happened, because it was his last fight.
>>289254794It gets less impressive the longer the story goes on, and even when it happened, getting kicked across a lake by a 17-year-old wasn't particularly flattering.
>>289254953It get's more impressive the more we know about the soloking, actually.
>>289254953I think it's the opposite, Itachi gets wanked so much later on Kurenai's fight gets retroactively more impressive.
>>289254953She used her genjutsu on Kisame and Itachi, it WORKED on Kisame which is pretty crazy, obviously it wouldn't work on one of the strongest genjutsu users ever so Itachi countered but Kurenai broke Itachi's counter and recovered fast enough to dodge Itachi's slash and block the kickThat's not like top tier or something but it's definitely more on the good than the bad side
>>289254978By Shippuden standards, the single fact that she even managed to put the SOLO KING in a genjutsu for a few seconds should make her mid kage tier.
>>289254401Why did Kakashi tell these 2 mid to low jonin shitters to go take on these 2 high kage level threats by themselves?
>>289254698It's pretty embarrassing how in part 1 it was said that she just recently got promoted to being a jonin, and then in part 2 she already retired to being a housewife. Meanwhile all her peers like Kakashi and co. are lifelong veterans.
>TFW Asuma is a jobber and let himself die against Hidan because he gets Amazon pressed and pevilc crushed by Kurenai on a daily basis
>>289254401Look at how fucking CLOSE Itachi's leg is to Kurenai's face before she blocks the kick.Clearly 7 times faster than light speed feat there.
>>289255246Did Kurenai teach Shikamaru his sleight of hand against Hidan?
>>289254401>forest-destroying wind blastsShe actually summoned a weasel with a sickle (or multiple ones?) that chopped down the forest very quickly. Extremely impressive outcome but it wasn't her own wind attack that did it.
>>289255246actually kind of impressive to block at point range like this
You can tell when it's him, so fucking obvious.
>>289255916Who?
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