I won't believe Cammy is dead until I see her
Hunter x hunter sex with machi
The raped
>>289356390>This confuses and instills fear into the Cammycuck
>>289356390Cammy will be king. I'm all in.
>>289356467
>>289356405Machi will kill Hisoka
>>289356671Hisoka slips on an ice cube and dies and Machi accidentally kills Bonolev in disguise.
>>289356390Fukataki-san has taken all necessary precautions. Comrade Moswana is ready to fire the curse at will in order to disrupt Benjamin if not outright kill him.Camilla-sama will be fine.
Im starting to accept the possibility that Cammy might die....:(All I ask is that Togashi gives her a death befitting her status
Leave Hisoka to me
>>289356390STRONG MEN?!?!
>>289356390Strong sex?
>>289356910
>>289356466Morena if cute
>>289356778You don't deserve to be a Cammander. A true Cammy fan could never imagine her loser.
Halkenburg already won, all of this is just a flashback while he's writing his autobiography
The arc ends with Beyond winning in court against the Kakin Empire which fucks their nen restriction and ends the war.
>>289352143NobuGODS...
>>289356985>benji shows his massive erect nen beast to balsamilco
>>289356910Is Ben a top or a bottom?
>>289357136>>289357145>>289357158>but I'm not mentally ill >see dicks everywherelmao
>>289357136holy FUARK
>>289356390Does Cammy have any defense against BKC?
>>289357136STRONG DICK?
I'll miss the Ben fanart when he dies
>>289357276Even more reasons to pump out more fanart/edits while he's still kicking
>gives you std
>>289357136What the FUARK
If STRONG NEN is real, why couldn't Meruem destroy Potclean?
>>289356671Hisoka would want that
>>289356910Halk's nen beast has a vagina on top of it.
>>289357334Imagine the herpes from kissing this bitch
I'm tired of penises, can we talk about the raped?
>>289356778This bitch is so unfazed, she will be fine.This Ben dude fucked. Getting active in this seems to be a death sentence
>>289356778>befitting her statusYou mean a dumb whore?
with the right timing, Chrollo will cuck Benjamin's ascension by displacing the right artifact before he dies, lole.
>>289357402They won't be showing up this set, unfortunately. It'll be all about the princes and martial law, maybe they'll return next time but unfortunately that's likely to be all Troupe bullshit.
>>289356985>yo dog you got a dick head ahh beast that shit goofy as hell bro that shit gotta cut an errything senpai
>kills your favorite character
>>289356910what about SMART men?
>Cucks your martial law
>>289357447Funny if true imagine all the Bencuck seething
>>289357482Tonpa... No...
I spoke to cammy for about 20 minutes.she said we should end the succession war, stop fighting, ben should stop spying on her without warrant, and she's really sorry for shooting people.
>>289357447We know we're on borrowed time, we're just getting the shitposts in before it comes tumbling down
>>289357437Proof she's ever had sex?
>>289357402Bark will win
Cammy will live, I believe in her
Cammy hymen status ?
>>289357570me
>>289356466i look like this
>>289357573future president of the independent communist democratic country-empire of kakin right here
I like nen
>>289357402Go bork or go home.Zhang is a dead man
>>289356671Billions of Hisoka's gametes will die inside Matchi.
>>289357617*men
>>289357562i just wanna see him nearly succeed but fucked over by some external disruptor, would be kino.if he goes on a manhunt to secure the remaining princes it'd be the perfect time for Chrollo to make his moves.
My hatsu lets me punch diseases or other contagion out of people. I'll cure Ben for one invite to an Epstein party and as many orphans as I can eat.
>>289356466and now she's a rapist
What do you guys think the HxH equivalent to Mossad is like? What kind of Nen powers do they have? I bet they have a specialist that can attack your credit score directly.
>>289356778Cammy is immortal. She'll be the last human alive when the Earth dies and live forever in an empty universe.
Cammy will die of old age
>>289356634Blond does not suit her. Maybe a light brown or a light iris color would be better.
>>289357158well Furykov just penetrated him... (with poison)
>>289356634>I'm all inheh
>>289356857>Whenever two Nen abilities directly oppose one another, the outcome is determined by Nen Authority.You'd be doing a disservice to the series if you reduced nen interactions this way. An element that makes combat in HxH interesting is that certain powers interact differently with others and sometimes circumvent each other. A strong fighter isn't immune to being warped away from a situation. A clever opponent can sneak someone by coming up with a perfect counter. And an experienced user can dominate a field because they simply know their own power so well and tooled it to handle a wider number of situations. Just like the story, you should let absolutes exist and challenge the players to utilize them and confront them. >>289357310>If you're writing for an RPG, then give the "first come, first serve" rule a bonus.The thing about manipulation and "First come, first served" is that risk and reward are the balancing factors. Assuming immediate direct control of a target consistently requires physical contact. Abilities like black voice and Illumi's needle need to penetrate the target but the tradeoff is their abilities are essentially permanent. While Baises ability is just a kiss but it is on a timer because it doesn't need to factor in defense. Order stamp can only control things deemed as puppets. etc. Temporary or permissive control can be triggered through just sound. But also give weaker control or have vastly reduced command potential to the target. Momoze's GSB for example requires 2 steps to control a target. Both can be avoided. Melody's ability freezes her and affected people in place regardless of allegiance. Use that for an RPG system. Force DEF checks for manipulators trying to stick an opponent with a controlling apparatus. Don't field enemies that always fall for a simple contact ability and make information warfare a big deal. And this also makes enemy manipulators scary encounters because of the OHKO potential and subterfuge.
>>289357879>Just like the story, you should let absolutes existThe story makes it clear very early that absolutes do not exist.
>>289357948Explain invincible nen constructs
if Ben took Cammy as a wife, would that be a way for her to concede without dying? or any other male&female prince combo.
What killed the hype?
Rihan will come in clutch trust the plan
>>289357402
>>289357717Ben wants the poison to kill him to activate his nen beast's ability, and to avoid getting killed by Furykov's nen curse. He won't let you cure him. The plan is to die and be reborn as a nen god.
>>289357879I agree with this anon, you'll fail out the gate if you don't let Nen have save-or-suck abilities.>>289357948There are no powers, which have activation conditions that can be resisted by having strong nen, once those conditions are met.
>>289356766>re-chudifies your ojousamaSorry Cummybros, no last minute keikakus allowed.
>>289357402This movie was terrifying as someone who struggles with sleep paralysis and out of body experiences. I think Bork wouldn't even dare to explore that shit.
>>289356390She's gonna get cosby'd>>289323911They're supposedly arrested on T3, and likely been found by Benj men on their cells
>>289357969Not invincible if you have enough STRONG NEN.
Going through Greed Island again and I'm confused on something. If you use somebody else's ring, you can overwrite your save data with theirs. Ok, that makes sense. But what about to your original ring? You have to take it off. It's a physical item you can throw away or store and you need it to play the game. If rings get lost or hidden, doesn't that reduce the already small pool of players that can play? I guess Ging is enough of a prick to not care and consider that part of the challenge.
Smart Nen? Dumb Nen....
>>289357491Think, Rihan! Think!
>>289356634Purple fits all women named Camilla better.
>>289357948>absolutes do no ex...ENTER
>>289358258Grandpa's dragon five!?
>>289358274Was defeated by a nen exorcist.
>>289358018de/a/d board dead website
>>289358292Exorcism is one of those interactions where it can ignore the traits of an ability with the cavea that the ability is just rendered inert. Plus the exorcist has to be able to handle he burden of what they are exorcising. Works great for potclean since it doesn't do anything but announce the time. But an exorcist is going to struggle with Yokotani's ability because it makes many constructs and they actively seek to remove a threat.
>>289357367Potclean is a trick. Knucles' hatsu actually revolves around emitting nen into his enemies when he punches them, then using that nen to force them into zetsu. Potclean is just a visual indicator of that curse, it can't do anything on its own, and in fact makes the curse weaker (by making it obvious and informing the victim of how it's progressing). Trying to destroy it is punching at an illusion.
>>289358292>muh sword that can cut anything isnt possible because its beyond human capacity>but this little shit can be punched by Youpi , a monster that surpass every human capability possible. >but its ok because a loli ant, with an ability that is consdered so strange that the Troupe allied with Hisoka, a direct responsible over the death of Uvo and Paku in order to get an user of that ability, can eat it and ... abort it? by this logic, the fucking sword can exist because it still can be melted
>>289357969Not him but he says in the next dialogue something like this; "You can't conjure an absolute thing but you can conjure something close to that"."Invincible stuff" is simply the term used for the purpose of classifying types of abilities since no one expects or imagines that STRONG NEN exists, as Benjamin understood.
He's just like me...
>>289358417Its not that complicated anon, Kurapika made a chain that was basically unbreakable by staking his life on it, having strong emotions, and limiting himself to a handful of targets on the planet. So you can conjure: >Katana, that can only be drawn against the people who killed your clan, must draw blood once it is drawn or kills you, and can only be used against the dozen guys who killed your dad for 5 bucks and a lighter, that way, it can cut through any solid object, and nen defense.
Morel making a smoke rope makes no senseSmoke can't do thatTransmutation should be his least adept category Since when can a manipulator change (transmute) the properties of what they are manipulating?Deep purple only seems versatile because Togashi let's Morel turn smoke into anything for no reason
>>289358480If paper can cut through an aluminum can when its shrouded in aura, why couldn't smoke act as a solid?
>>289357367It is a bit weird.On one hand Meruem couldn't destroy potclean.On the other hand Razor could in fact destroy Goreinu gorilla.
>>289358480He has enough restrictions on it to make it work, he has to carry a fuckhuge pipe to effectively use his powers.
>>289356405
>>289356390>Ben will poison Cammy>Benjamin dies before Camilla>The cat won't have target to syphon nen to resurrect Cammy>Camilla stays dead
>>289358531I think what he's getting at is that it should not be possible. Manipulating smoke cannot give it the properties of a solid object.
>>289358276I remember there was a time, years ago, where I was trying to convince myself Killua knowing Dragon Dive made sense. I said that maybe Zeno showed the technique before Killua knew Nen, without elaborating, so Killua was familiar with the effect and put 2 and 2 together when he saw the spears in the palace.Then somebody in the threads said that Killua thinking his grandpa can AoE skewer with just his mind is retarded and I had to concede.It is indeed a plot hole, but it's also the most minor one I've ever seen and Killua knowing doesn't actually change anything in the story. That actually let me appreciate stories more as a whole; consistency is important, but there's degrees to it, that doesn't impact anything, while still a mistake, just serves as a reminder that even the best authors are still human.
>>289358537My tiny wife
>>289358474Why does Killua have asian guy butt? it's flatter than Bisky's chest.
>>289358525But that's just enhancing the paper's qualities. Morel doesn't even use enhancement.
>>289358480Just compress the smoke
>>289358480That's another case of "a but weird".There seem to be a difference between "chaging the properties of aura", which is clearly transmutation, and simply making something stronger with aura which could be enhancement or not.From Greed Island we know that objects can be made stronger with aura, but we don't exactly know if that's an application of enhancement, or objects imbued with aura have a baseline of extra power independent from enhancement.If my memory serves me well in the battle between Uvogin and Kurapika he states that Kurapika shouldn't be able to tank his hits enhancing himself with aura... So maybe when you use nen techniques like ten, ren, ken, etc, some degree of enhancement is on the effect.
>>289358584He uses transmutation, despite it not being compatible.
>>289358208Meruem post-bomb with youpi's super mad blast wasn't able to destroy hakoware, if he can't nothing cangranted an exorcist seems to be able to remove it
>>289358615No, Manipulators specifically pack a metric fuck ton of aura into their manipulated objects, making them tougher as a rule, no Enhancement needed. Uvo even mentions how only a manipulator or conjurer could pack that much aura into chains. That amount of aura, packed into a small object, makes it even tougher than an enhancers general defense, and when Morel stakes his life on it, during smokey jail for example, even a royal guard who would be able to Ko punch most enhancers to death can't break through it. Manipulators are glass canons, thats the tradeoff.
>>289358461>"Invincible stuff" is simply the term used for the purpose of classifying types of abilities since no one expects or imagines that STRONG NEN existsSTRONG NEN didn't help Meruem against Hakoware. And Halkenburg's arrow wouldn't do anything but pass through an invincible-type ability as it can only hit humans.
>>289358474Gon's ass looks like it jiggles when he walks, no wonder Hisoka was staring
>>289358614He's asian
>>289358696Hakoware's invincibility makes sense if you assume it's a projection and the actual effect is placed on the person. It's just a hologram.
Wouldn't this arguement be settled if we just agreed that, Bigger Number Nen > Smaller Number Nen>HoweverStrict activation condition multiplier > Big Number Nen
>>289357969Probably Togashi changing his mindie >>289358530
>>289358785Anon this very arc introduced more invincible nen constructs.
What is on Camilla’s letter ?
Do you think anyone outside the brainwashed suicide squad will cry for Cammy when she dies? Did she have any real friends? Did the Kakin people love her? Will you cry for her? Her family definitely wont, not even her mother.
how much of a jobber this guy gonna be, from 1 to 10?
>>289358833Camilla isn’t dying
>>289358530>>289358785No this is retarded, Goreinu's gorilla is an active combatant that can hurt you, to make something invulnerable to damage, it has to be harmless at least, helpful at most. Though a better question is, Can Goreinu's gorilla be stuck with Illumi's needle, then swap places with Meruem to bypass his durability. Would it?>A. Pop the gorilla before it can teleport>B. Meruem could use STRONG NEN to resist the teleport>C. It Teleports but the Needle breaks in Meruem's Skin>D. It Teleports, but Meruem's STRONG NEN stops him from being manipulated.
>>289358744>if you assume it's a projectionIt's not though. It's a conjured object and can be physically interacted with just like LSDF>>289358785Invincibility is an extra property and not a default one. Just like selective visiblity is another thing that can be layered onto a nen construct. We saw the previous arc with Schachmono's balloon boys getting swiss cheesed by Franklin that damage matters. Invincible things have to be designed with that in mind and likely can't be a damaging entity. (Hakoware, LSDF, Cheetu's hourglass) but the exact rules have not been oulined.
How are you gonna react when Togashi uses AI to make weekly chapters?
>>289356390CAAMMMMMY MAAMMMMMMY
>>289358476so...a sword that can cut anything can exist under some limitations? Izunavi is a bum fraud
>>289357402I want to see Tse and Morena fight
>>289358916No, by definition, a Sword that can cut through a limited number of things, is not 'A sword that can cut through anything' that's why Izunavi said, "You can get close."
I'm trying to design a nen manual for a hunter x hunter rpg. I'm trying to be faithful to Togashi vision of nen while at the same time expanding on it and making it playable for an rpg (strong nen and some fanon/headcanon implied).What do you think?https://pastebin.com/tK7AUWWX
>>289358916He wants to have a career in being a Hunter, not burn his talent trying to get revenge, before killing himself. Kurapika's theoretical sword will be useless after he kills the Spiders.
>>289358907YESSSS WELL FINALLY SEE THE DARK CONTINENT
>>289358944Sorry, I meant "sword that can cut through anything but can be removed nen exorcism". That's allowed, right?
>>289357597Sale-Sale…
>>289358480He has to trap himself with the target, which is dangerous for someone with only 60% in enhancement. It's very risky.
>>289358916it cant cut through a ability designed to counter nen swords. Or a ability like terabellums that redirects damage. Like Bisky said, theres no absolutes in nen. A sword that can truly cut anything is impossible to make. Theres no absolutes in nen. Ivunavi was giving the advice kurapika needed in order to design a hatsu that would give him the tools he needed moving forward into yorknew.
>>289358942Komugi vs Meruem but with Tserri and Morena
>>289358907I will have zero problems with Togashi using AI for the drawing.Heck I would have zero problem if Togashi stops drawing a manga and finally decides to write a light novel with some illustrations, something that would make more sense for how text heavy hunter x hunter is.
gato sexo
>>289358907Huntards get exactly what they deserve
>>289357737GON I LOVE BENJAMIN NETANYAHU I LOVE NETANYAHU GOOON
>>289359023Via the card game? Tserri would win, low-diff, unless using his ability counts as cheating.
>>289358274>Nanika, delete this critterthere, done
>>289358969No, the "Can be removed by Nen Exorcism" clause would make sense if the sword was going to the targets possession. Think about it, The Sword, in your hand, is like Genthru's little flower, or Knuckle's first punch. It can be nullified with Strong Nen. However, if Countdown's conditions are fulfilled, now you have a bomb, on the target, outside the users control, which has strict rules, and an "escape clause" Same with Hakoware.
>>289359030A light novel would expose how infantile it is
>>289359079That's just exorcism though
Stupid morons who consume so much shonen crap let their brains rot away in mediocrity.Togashi made it clear that Nen works absolutely all the time. “You can't create a sword that cuts through everything.”But you canCreate something that's impossible to destroy, like Hakoware—not even Meruem, with all the power of his Nen, could destroy that. Create an attack that pierces any defense, like Halkenburg’s arrow, which is impossible to dodge. Impossible to defend against.Create TP and you can instantly kill any enemy just by touching their head.Be Narika and fulfill any fucking wish.Or be Gon and become so powerful that you overwhelm your enemy.Or be Camilla, which allows you to revive no matter how many times you die from Nem’s post-Morden.Or create a manipulation technique that can control your enemy, no matter how much stronger they are than you. For example, Hisoka could have been killed by Shalknarn’s ability if he’d been stabbed by it—the same could have happened to Merumem. Hisoka never said, “Crollo can stab me with the needle, but it’s okay because my NEN, WHICH IS STRONGER, WILL PROTECT ME FROM THE NEEDLE.” Nah, none of that.You fucking loser—your life isn’t any better just because you think Togashi is a narrative genius or that the power system is the best, when NEN is a basic power that’s basically just Dragon Ball’s Ki—nothing more than that. Here, it just explains how they use it to attack, defend themselves, and for their special powers, and that’s it.I like*Hunter x Hunter, but all of you should do humanity a favor and kill yourselves so you’ll stop jerking off to Hunter x Hunter when the only arcs you’ve seen are “Chimera Ants” and “The dark continent” just because your YouTuber said that “Hunter x Hunter is a masterpiece” and you idiots repeat it without even having the intellectual capacity to read and understand Finnegans Wake.
>>289358892>Invincibility is an extra property and not a default one.This is an interesting take.We know that Kurapika chains can be destroyed.And we have examples of other conjured objects that could not be destroyed.So it is interesting to think what is the default. My guess is that you are right and that the user imagination by default will create something that can be destroyed and an indestructible conjuration is an extra.
>>289358696Meruem didn't use STRONG NEN there and Halk would bypass the object since it will end up the same way as Shikaku's ability.If you don't want to see it, it's not my problem, I just hope you don't end up whining in every thread like the Knov-conjurer fags when this happens.And at this place it's only a matter of time.
>>289359018>Like Bisky saidBisky is all about matchups and mindset much like Morel.
>>289359115>Create TP and you can instantly kill any enemy just by touching their head.I think you would need a stricter condition than that, at least Knov/Netero's clapping hand motion that gives your enemy a heads up.
>>289359115Are you okay?
>>289358907Like full 100% AI chapters or just a bit of AI assistance where some amount of drawing is still involved?
>>289359170At this rate*
>>289358764sooo , shiut like pic related can work even agaisnt STRONG NEN users?
>>289359117An object can only be invincible if it can't directly inflict damage. That's the balance patch Togashi uses.
>>289358954Your authority idea is simply not how Nen works, if you allow an abilities conditions to be fulfilled on yourself by standing there with your dick in your hand, no amount of STRONG NEN will save you. See:>>289358892>>289358696>>289359115
>>289359115tldr?
It's simple: when two "invincible" abilities interact, the one with Strong Nen wins. Otherwise invincible nen > normal nen.
>>289358892>Invincibility is an extra property and not a default one. Just like selective visiblity is another thing that can be layered onto a nen construct.Holy shit someone with basic reading comprehension in the thread. The whole "absolutes" vs "strong nen" """"debate"""" is so retarded because both exist in the story under different circumstances.
>>289357737aren't the zoldycks supposed to be the jews of the universe
>>289357136Shounen BL is the most powerful force in the universe.
>>289359246LSDF says nothing about STRONG NEN usersAnd potclean is not even a counter argument considering that by default the technique takes into account the total user aura.Just think for two seconds anon. There is a reason why potclean needs to take into account the target total aura instead of having another condition like "be attached for 6000 heartbeats" or something.If the target aura (STRONG NEN) was inconsequential to the equation.Potclean literally operates under my rule system.
>>289359215Yes see >>289359173So if Old man is C, at least Blaise tier, his ability would work because it stakes his life, works on half the population and requires skin contact, BUT, a competent Nen user like Killua would have to be in a really bad state to let that person grab him in the first place. He would tell the user apart by aura flow, his own aura would sense the mans hand milimetres away from touching him, and his honed reflexes would move him out of the way before contact occured. Remember when he was in the middle of combat and a little gay fish was able to put a pin on his clothes? He would have to be twice as distracted to not feel something approaching his skin.
>>289359115you can do it but u need to go thru the process of creating it, and designing it in a way that allows for such powerful effects. lotta counterbalancing required, which will restrict its usage to some degree. but yes, with enough time and intelligence and determination one can counter pretty much anything you already know about, given you have the physical capabilities (including nen reserve) to do so, and nothing unforeseen occurs. so this can lead to pure cacophony the more nen users get involved, which is the point of this arc.
>>289359224>a sword that can cut anything can exist as long it has the durability of glassBALANCED AS FUCK
>>289359295What about first come first served?
>>289359174No, you idiot, it's not necessary. Knov can do it without super complex or far-fetched conditions.Plus, just to show you how stupid the system nen is, Togashi made Ikalgo an Enhancement who can CONTROL CORPSES and okay, he has a 60% Manipulation rating? Okay, but he...CAN USE THAT CORPSE’S HATSU WITHOUT GIVING A DAMN ABOUT NEN AFFINITIESHow can he use a CORPSE’S HATSU? That technique seems more like something a Specialist would use than an Enhancement.In fact, how the hell does he even KNOW HOW TO USE A CORPSE’S HATSU? What does Enhancement have to do with this? And even if he uses Materialization + Control, he doesn’t suffer from the same fucking problem that Kastro did who’s also an Enhancement but, as Hisoka put it, had “insufficient mental RAM” when using Materialization + Control
>>289358837He can't job worst than Vincent
>>289359115>stop jerking off to Hunter x Hunter when the only arcs you’ve seen are “Chimera Ants” and “The dark continent” what?i also like how this devolves into schizobabble with more and more misspelled shit as it progresses>Nem's post-Morden>Shalknarn>Merumem
>>289359311Ben, you have a rape victim, and a bastard child.
>>289359336>zetsu can be used to rape strong nen users like bisky, palm or even shizukuthats why Togashi is the GOAT
This post is to remember everybody to be nice to your fellow anon.Don't let our difference stay in the way of our friendship.Thank you.
Would Genthru be stronger if he just punched people instead of conjuring/transmuting an explosion and using his aura to block it from damaging himself?
Cammy gets killed and Halk possessed her body.
>>289359325No, that is a condition. Knuckle's ability works based on compound interest, he gives a number to aura, and it takes longer if the number is higher because that's how math works. If Knuckle gave everyone 72 hours for a timer, he would have to use a different restriction like, explaining his ability, and having an off switch when you touch him and say a word, instead of returning the borrowed aura.
>>289359444can he simultaneously block other things as he does this? parry retaliation build.
>>289359385Ikalgo also uses conjuration for his sniper rifle. He's just a chad that uses his bad categories.
>>289359444Let's say that Genthru uses 100 units of aura in his handa and 100 units of aura to conjure the explosion, you are assuming that a 200 units of aura in the fist punching you in the face would be an equal or better option.The first question is if Gentrhu can put 200 units of aura in hist fist, if he even have the nen skill to do it.Then you have nen efficency, as a conjurer, will a fist with 200 units of aura be better than 100 units of aura to protect the fist and 100 units of aura to conjure the explosion? Probably not.That's the only explanation I can come up with. So you take it or you can conclude that it is bad writing.
>>289359444No, he is such a idiot, he would blow his own hands off because he would make them the actual explosions.
>>289359440Retard, Cammy approached people in Zetsu, and they instantly knew something was up. Kastro too, also, even in Zetsu, skilled nen users can STILL feel your intentions, especially when you're focused on them, even if they can't pin you down. See Gon and Killua stalking Machi and Nobu
>>289359115>>289359385This poster is brown. Don't step him on.
>>289359444No. He's a conjurer and therefore bad at enhancement.
>>289359444You do realize hes not forbidden from punching people, right? He can do both. Both achieve different things, so no, abstaining from little flower just makes him weaker
>>289359440Palm got really attractive after becoming part fish.
>>289359463>No, that is a condition.Yeah anon, but think for two second why is that condition and not another one.Is obvious that the power of the conditions are related to the power of the target.Potclean make it clear like the day.If not you can put any other condition that works better for stronger targets, but instead of that you have potclean limited by the user aura.As I say, potclean if anything is an argument in favor of strong nen not against it.
>>289359385Learn to read.
>>289359311>>289357136>>289356910>>289357158I regret making this
I've been living all these years telling myself that once (if) the DC arc finally starts the story will focus on Ging again and he'll be the next main character. Togashi better deliver or else.
>>289359414Yeah, so what? All you can say is something superficial while you're standing there sucking Togashi's dick, because the only thing your father taught you was to be submissive, and your mother taught you nothing but how to suck dick.Your father used a huge amount of semen to create you, and the only sperm that made it into the womb was the one with the most severe mental deficiency in the world.
>>289359559wtf
>>289359117>This is an interesting take.I thought this was basic knowledge for readers. The average nen construct has aura imbued into it by its creator and is subject to the same durability equation anything else is normally graded under >Physical durability + aura enhancementAura disparity is taken into account in this situation so if someone attacks it with more aura and force, it will be damage or destroy the other. And a nen construct can still be reinforced much like Kurapika's chains or Razor's goons having stupid amounts of aura in each of them. Invincibility as I suggest needs to facilitate a power that isn't hurting anything by it's presence and can't also be used to hurt someone by it's presence. Another example is how Greed Island reinforces the Joystation consoles so they cannot be damaged and rob players of entrance/exit points. And getting around invincibility requires more specific conditions like exorcism. By that same logic. People can hide nen constructs with In, but this is countered by Gyo and En. But selective invisibility reduces the targets who can perceive something and completely circumvents the previous methods. Babymina couldn't feel Stealth Dolphin with his en, nobody could see Silent Majority's doll body. Benjamin is jerkin his gerkin to Camilla enough that he can rewind to the good bits and she'll never know. But conditionally it's still possible to get around this. Welfin's Missileman for example would have hit Meleron under the right circumstances.
>>289359589Anon, you need to take a break.The hunter x hunter fan is not real, it can't hurt you.
>>289359503Kastro knew that because killua presence mysteriously disappeared within his range
Enough time has passedWhat the fuck happened here, why hasn't it happened again?
>>289359540No, that is just your opinion. Why Knuckle has to use that condition can be anything, from a combination of:>That is the culmination of his skill at understanding an enemies aura amount with a number, and his head for numbers.to>The condition has to be that, because if it was something else, the ability would work differently. Knuckle can put someone like Youpi into Zetsu in 10 minutes whilst remaining within 50 metres of him. If his Hatsu was tied to heartbeats instead, it would need a faster escape clause like a single touch and a password, he would need to explain this to his opponent, and he would have to give them far more time, in the realm of days. For his line of Work, Knuckle's ability is better, and his conditions are better suited for his ability.
>>289359559eroi...
>>289359115The same arguments for a decade now. We've been told very clearly that conditions and restrictions are multipliers. You can multiply your power to the point it's practically infinite, but you can't multiply to true infinity.It's always been implied that STRONG NEN can break seemingly absolute rules, but we've only recently seen it. With Nanika we could make the excuse that the dark continent follows different rules but now we have Halkenberg showing humans can manage it through group effort.
>>289359559baraGOD...
>>289359635This was the seed urn rejecting boyble.
>>289359635idk, still looks creepy and makes me nervous though.
>>289359559
>>289359636> Knuckle makes an ability to disable strong nen users> The ability is dependent on the target aura pool> But this is arbitrary> It could absolutely have other set of requirements to affect an infinitely big aura poolWhatever anon, if this is what you want to believe.I'm a strong nen enjoyer, I think that vows, pledges and conditions are multipliers for the base ability power.If you want to believe that nen is absolute in its domain then there you go.I think there are a lot of example that show this is not the case, including nen abilities that destroy other nen abilities, and how aura interacts with aura attacks, the other point of contentions are abilities that affect spatial relationships or mental control, I believe those can be resisted, you believe they can not.Okey, there is no much to argue.
>>289359559This is genuinely repulsive. I wish I could curse you and your descendants for all eternity.
>>289359115Hey @grok, please summarize anons schizobable for me.
>>289359559Benjigods wtf is this???
>>289359559You are going to hell.
>>289359559Rihan-san, what are you doing there?!
>>289359503from what i have read in this post, im pretty sure middle-aged man can come up with a solution with a few limitations more (lmao cant use nen to kill or hurt) anyway , non-nen babes are great choice too
>>289359559Does Togashi draw gay porn of his characters? How much would it cost for him to release them?
>>289359665>but we've only recently seen itGuard breaking through Shikaku's ability would be an argument in favor of true infinity though. Like we are told in no uncertain words by the narrator, nothing stops that arrow save hitting someone else.
>>289359637It's going to be sad when he finds out he is a liar.Will probably hurt as much as finding out his mom loves his brother more.
>>289359488>>289359505>>289359543Your lack of intellectual development is glaringly obvious.I’m talking about when Ikalgo took control of Flutter corpse using his technique: Living Dead Dolls.He was able to use Flutter’s Hatsus without understanding how they worked. He just did it.Ikalgo says it literally: When he controls a corpse, he can use that corpse’s Hatsus without any problem.He completely ignored the percentages. And you have to understand and grasp the nen to imitate someone else’s Hatsus.And he completely ignored the “mental RAM” that Hisoka mentioned when fighting Kastro.People talk so much about the narrative depth of Hunter x Hunter, but when it comes to the issues with Nen and Togashi’s screw-ups, they automatically choose to ignore them and cling to the illusion that Togashi is a super creative genius who invented a totally unique and original power system.
Remember how chrollo was using the phone to try and find someone on the black whale, whatever happened with that plot
>>289359770He drew Toguro with pointy nips in a schoolgirl outfit and Mukuro fully naked, dunno about anything else.
>>289359683I didn't say it was arbitrary, I said it could be any number of reasons, as in, I don't know what reason Togashi would have picked. I think you're right about conditions being multipliers, but I think it goes deeper than that, for example, even if Meruem spends a million nen, he can't make an 'absolute' rule to an ability, without restrictions. I think restrictions act as pre-requisites to certain effects.I'm open to having my mind changed, can you explain how you think these interactions would work in your view:>How can C on his best day beat A on his worst, if Nen defense was enough to protect A from any effect. >How Nen users can't resist being teleported once they meet the conditions of the abilities activation>Why do Manipulators have first come first serve, if stronger nen could displace weaker nen. >Why would you need a specific Nen exorcist for absolute effects, instead of just going to the strongest Zodiac and asking them to dispel the Nen effect. >Why does Halkenburg's arrow, specifically require the trait 'breaks through any defense' if the group nen strength was all that was needed.
>>289359444Little Flower is a fast hand grab that can catch someone by surprise and can be launched even from weird positions, unlike a regular punch.In addition, there is the psychological fear factor of Little Flower and the irreparable damage it causes.
>>289359622That's the most boring answer. Come up with something better.
>>289358588He needn't have witnessed it. Could've just heard from his family about it (super secret assassination technique that kills from multiple spots above, with the appearance of glowing dragons or something). Pre-Nen he could already do retarded shit like seemingly create clones of himself (shadow step or whatever it was called) and "morph" his fingers into claws so that vague description shouldn't even raise an eyebrow. There's no need for him to be aware of the details beforehand to enable him to identify it the moment it happens.
>>289356390those 3 will look confused after all those weak twinks kill each other and sink the ship they'll wonder what the fuck happened? when I blinked there was 200.000 dead people sinking like the titanic
While we're having this argument again (for the 1000th time), I have a theory that the reason manipulation is so strong is that most people aren't even trying to defend against it. It's like how even weak nen is devastating against people with no nen. Most people use 0% of their nen to defend their mind. The strong nen argument assumes that your nen is naturally protecting you from manipulation and curses but we see no evidence for that.
>>289359982Why wouldn't Nen protect the mind? By default it lets you ignore the malevolent feelings being projected by Ren.
Furykov's 'Fullmetal Alchemist': By being with the target for a certain time (in total), it deciphers the details of the target's ability.Now what I'm wondering is whether the time required to decipher an ability is 1) static and immutable, an ability that takes one hour to decipher will ALWAYS take an hour, non-negotiable, or 2) Furykov can speed up the deciphering process through his own observations and/or deductions2 feels much more appropriate
Remember when Togahsi retconned multiple characters nen types at the exhibition? Messed up his own understanding of the system
How strong are the current characters compared to past things? Could they beat off chimaea ants? Could any stand against the royal guard?
>>289360010he didn't retcon shit. the databook was never canon.
>>289359982manipulation is weak because it can't have strong enough atacks to pierce through most enhancers or defensife type hatsu needles can't pierce through palm defense, or buda hand, or bungee gum, or morels smoke, or uvo's skin, etc.just too easily countered most of manipulation combat hatsu of the control sort like shalnark or illumi is like feitan's hatsu, if you're not at least even with the oponent it is useless and feels like you don't even have a hatsu before it is too late
>>289359876>How can C on his best day beat A on his worst, if Nen defense was enough to protect A from any effect.Well worst day example will affect A defenses of course. Remember that a lot of things affect nen (your aura pool and aura output)>How Nen users can't resist being teleported once they meet the conditions of the abilities activationThis is probably my weakest take. I truly don't know.But as we discussed in other thread, if there is no limitation on teleportation once met the conditions you could kill basically anything, just teleporting parts of the body or teleporting people into an active volcano.So some sort of limitation should be in place, if not emission would be unstopableI see someone saying> I will teleport part of the body to instakill somebody, regardless of how strong (aura pool/output) they areBeing similar to> I'm gonna conjure a sword that cuts through anything>Why do Manipulators have first come first serve, if stronger nen could displace weaker nen.First come first serve doesn't contradict the strong nen position, nor strong nen contradicts first come first serve.You can see it as another multiplier in the equation.> Why would you need a specific Nen exorcist for absolute effects, instead of just going to the strongest Zodiac and asking them to dispel the Nen effect.Strong nen doesn't necesarilly mean that you can punch all nen effects away, just means two things- Amount of aura should be taken into account when two contradictory nen abilities clash / interact with each other- The aura of the target should be taken into account when hostile aura is used to affect it (for example to coerce behavior)> Why does Halkenburg's arrow, specifically require the trait 'breaks through any defense' if the group nen strength was all that was needed.It is explained that when nen user creates their abilities they literally use their imagination to design it. I imagine that's how you design a strong attack.
Fans got mad because they consumed too much fan content and deluded themselves into inventing concepts like emitted nen beasts. They're mad at Togashi for debunking their headcanon.
>nooo, you cant even touch powerful nen users because.....sure thing THE RAPE TRAIN CANT BE STOPPED
>>289360030Unless we see what the Zodiac clowns can do, no, the royal guards are way too strong for anyone on the boat to compete against.
>>289360030>How strong are the current characters compared to past things? tsezguerra crew tier.> Could they beat off chimaea ants? Mostly no.> Could any stand against the royal guard?No way.
>>289360082trvke
>>289360082Kek that guy last night was so grim, tripping over himself to figure out a way to make emitted nen beasts work
>>289360082Wrong, also if you think zeno and silva are not transmuters you are retarded.
Did i miss something? I thought benjamir beast ability was unknown. Or did the full metal ability deciphered that Ben needs to die for his ability to activate?
>>289359635A premature, half aborted nen beast. It need the two babies together to manifest itself.
>>289360055>needles can't pierce through palm defense, or buda hand, or bungee gum, or morels smoke, or uvo's skin, etc.???>needles cant pierce through the 99 percentile of the nen users in the world, that makes it weak>lets ignore that the faggot emo´s needles are feared even by Killua and almost every hunter out there
>>289360170Lmao yeah Zeno is transmuting his aura into dragons and lances rofllll
>>289360054Yes he did. Knov and knuckles nen type makes zero sense
>>289360069wow do people really got confused by all that? it is insanely easy knuckle hatsu could defeat a royal guard if properly worked, meaning C tier will defeat A tier. nen is not some magic trick that is so OP it is absolute and people can'tdo anythign about it... there is balancing and it works as togashi wants to, meting conditions and etc is an obvious way to put it. (if you didn't get it you're below 80IQ)
>>289360178He (Furykov) can read nen abilities.
>>289360170Zeno uses small amounts of transmutation to make his dragon head rideable. The hard party is the emission, since it kept going for several kilometers.
>>289360178Unknown to us, the audience.Furykov told Ben offscreen at some point prior to 413
>>289360124Halkeburg can literally one-shot Meruem
>>289360210Teleportation was introduced to us as an emission ability in GI. Knuckle is a quintessential conjurer i don't know how this one confuses you
>>289359665seems like human nen is a subset of the world's collective nen and over time it became structurally comprised of local properties that the greater set doesn't necessarily conform to. if the Succession Contest is to portray peak cacophony within this human nen system, the DC is to portray the true chaos that exists outside of it. like Netero said, there's nothing to find out there, because it exists beyond the human nen system that supplies value and purpose, and the arc will resolve with that as the message. which will then lead us to reexamine humanity with Gyro's arc, where Gon will champion an ideology.
>>289359559Beyond, activate the curse.
>>289360191feared? no one fears illumi... killua is the younger brother, he fear Illumi by psicological reasons, not because of power, what the hell can illumi possibly do if killua decides to speedblitz him?? absolutely nothing! killua didn't want to spend his aura/goodspeed into doing something that would let the zoldyck workers get him later on. I mean he is strong because he have a load ton of raw aura and is a zoldyck assassin. not because of "muh powerfull OP hatsu" like I said, he has many possible counters that make him not OP in the slightest, just like Hisoka is not OP because of his hatsu but because he have insane raw aura and fighting skills
Bisky owes him sex for splititng up the 4 billion. Vergei can have her afterwards.
>>289359559>another 20k of our tax money wasted by bengaymin hiring more STRONG MEN to get fucked bymorena was right I NEED to explode kakin
>>289359859But then you said "it's just Ki". Ki has no rules. And your Ki amount is synonymous with every other measure of strength. Dragon Ball is a one dimensional power system. And you can do some weird stuff with Ki, but no one ever does because blasting your opponent will always be superior. And everyone can use the same techniques if they just train (or try).That's not like Nen at all. People praise Nen because it appeals to pretty much everyone while being well thought out. It's both a general power system in that everyone gets enhanced physical traits, which appeals to people who just want to be superhuman, but it also gives people abilities unique to them, which appeals to people's sense of individuality. Users can create their own abilities, which appeals to people with a strong sense of agency, but your Nen type is something innate which correlates with various real world traits, which appeals to people who don't like making decisions and want to just take a test to be told what they are. You can do pretty much anything with Nen, which makes it incredibly flexible, but it's full of heavy restrictions, which keep the characters balanced so they still need to do things like stealth, be wary of guns, engage in diplomacy, etc. - which is fun. Know what isn't fun? When everyone can fly at the speed of light and vaporize cities with a single finger. That's lame. Can you name a single location in Dragon Ball? No, because locations don't matter, they can be disintegrated in the blink of an eye, so every single fight in Dragon Ball takes place in a generic wasteland, with no sign of flora or fauna. What's the plot of Dragon Ball? Dragon Ball has no plot, it's just dudes shooting each other to death until one side's left standing (the good guys). If the power system was good, like Nen, they could have something of actual substance, like a political assassination contest on a ship.
>>289360210Togashi also wrote the 2011 anime and retconned Mizuken's name. Fucking hack.
>>289360269Halkenberg + his GSB that is a 1000 year old ritual and the aura of 14 people can 1 shot Meruem if he doesn't use his insane reaction speed to dodge*
>>289360210Why? The hard part of Knov's ability is the teleportation, which is done via emission. The conjured room has no special properties. Knuckle by contrast has complex ability clearly done via conjuration. The aura is transferred by emission, but it requires physical contact so it's very easy to do.
>>289360055Error!Hisoka was worried that Chrollo would use the Manipulation hatsu Shalnark technique against him.Hisoka has 80% enhancer, but still backed away.He said, “If he stabs me with the needle, I lose.”No.“If he stabs me with the needle while my STRONG NEN isn’t activated, then I lose.”Are you seriously going to believe that Hisoka wouldn’t know that if he uses enhancers or reinforces his body with NEN, it completely nullifies Chrollo needle?He didn’t do it because it simply doesn’t matter.If the Chrollo needle touches you, you lose. It’s that simple.
Is the succession was going to reach the peaks as Chimera Ant Arc? Or will it fall short and leave us disappointed?
>>289360069most "absolute" effects are not aura related but real effects from substances, or human anatomy good examples are poison by bens knivesmorel CO2 strategyno amount of aura output or defenses could overcome that, because those are phisiological reactions to real stuff
>>289359869>Mukuro >woman that was abused so hard in her chilldhood, she preferred to pour acid on her face to escape that situation>at the end, the manlet gifts to her, her fucking abuser to mutilate him until she gets bored>wholesome momentTogashi has problems
>>289360178No, I had the same thought and checked. We (the readers) don't know what the ability is. But Fury knows what it does and how it works and obviously has told Ben. So their plan sounds like complete schizoid nonsense to us but Ben seems to understand what it's going to do. We probably won't know until it actually activates.
>>289360296Activate... Bungee World!!!
>>289360350I’m a palace invasion autist but the setup of the succession war blows out the chimera ant arc. But again, the succession war is a potential man arc until we see payoff
>>289360353Togashi is so edgy
>>289360353That's what back pain does to you. There's a reason why the CEO murderer had it.
>>289360340WRONG! chrollo has raw aura thats scales to hisoka, while chrollo had many many ways to use the needle using the clones or other hatsu combohisoka didn't had any knowldge about it and didn't now what hatsu combo chrollo realy had meanwhile if he was fighting Illumi it would be a 1v1, hisoka would absolutely know where the needle comes from and if he knew all the set ups he would deal with it easily
>>289358274Potclean presents an interesting thought experiment. Firstly, Potclean makes Knuckle's hatus worse by making the debt obvious, so it presumably powers up the hatsu in some other way.So, if Potclean could be destroyed without removing the debt it would actually make Hakoware better. Confused enemies would break something that was actually giving them useful information. Indestructible Potclean is a weaker power than breakable Potclean, and so should be easier to achieve.In contrast, if destroying Potclean removed the nen debt that would make Hakoware much much worse. Such a large risk would give Knuckle extra power to work with. Enough power to, say, make Potclean indestructible.
>>289359385>How can he use a CORPSE’S HATSU? That technique seems more like something a Specialist would use than an Enhancement.This is my personal theory but I think it's backed by the story. First you need to understand that information is stored in both the body and in aura. Binolt had the ability to get info on the body. Stealth dolphin can interpret a stored hatsu on it's own as well. Before you say this is only specialist, Meruem consumed Youpi and Pouf and in his amnesiac state was able to re-create and even improve their abilities. As an emitter he did this all in his head. Lynch likewise can separate information from people similar to Pakunoda's psychometry but my point is. Information exists in the body and nen can allow a person to interpret and utilize it. Ikalgo being inside a corpse then allows him a chance to get access to hatsu without stealing a body by simply jumpstarting it with his own aura. And he can use that hatsu at 100% because the body is the one whose affinity matters. Functionally it would be no different than Shalnark using black voice puppet a nen user and make that person use their hatsu. And ironically being an enhancer works for him because it will allow him to stockpile more aura to act as fuel for the body and associated abilities. Shikaku in this arc is also a manipulator with the ability to seal, and presumably repurpose projectile attacks. So manipulators allowing for reprogramming hatsu under certain circumstances seems an esoteric but valid ability.
>>289360358Nah, there's something STRONGER than this
>>289357401It's actually the opposite. Kissing morena heals you
>>289360009I think 1 is more fair. It looks like he doesn't have to do anything and other people can't even tell he's doing it, so it's a better restriction to make the decipher period absolute. Think of it from the perspective of a group: Rihan could just tell Furykov what Predator does and then the decipher period would immediately end. He could then craft him a garterbelt or something that buffs Predator, and it would take 0 seconds, because the craft time is equal to the decipher time.>>289360178Furykov claims he used his ability to read Benjamin's GSB's ability. He then told Benjamin something that he claims is his GSB's ability.
>>289360353>>289360402Morena is going to do this to Nasubi btw
You're all out of line
>>289359444Absolutely not. He's a conjurer, his physical hits have a relatively low ceiling. He doesn't hit like an invalid, but Little Flower's using his stronger transmutation and far more versatile than a punch. Surprise factor also matters; a punch is a punch, even with nen involved you know it's body-to-body contact meant to deal external damage. If you don't already know Genthru's hatsu, you have no clue that he's trying to grab you to detonate a bomb.Get hit once in a bad spot and it snowballs, if you don't lose on the spot. Little Flower might not be a perfect ability, but it excels in finishing fights quickly and decisively
>>289358096>There are no powers, which have activation conditions that can be resisted by having strong nen, once those conditions are met.We saw it happen onscreen.
>>289359559DON'T OPEN THAT IT GIVES YOU A NEN CURSE
>>289360320It’s the same system as KI.How can Goku defend himself against an attack? He uses TEN it’s that simple. His aura protects his body.How can Goku land devastating blows? He uses REN it’s that simple. His aura boosts his strength.Why was Goku pierced by a laser during Frieza’s resurrection? Simple he didn’t have his aura. Zetsu moment.What is the Kamehameha? Simply Goku’s hatsu. You could even say it’s a projectile attack emission.It’s the same system.The only difference is that in Dragon Ball, they don’t tell you which technique the characters are using, but in Hunter x Hunter they do. But both work the same way.And you can apply the logic of Nen to Ki and vice versa, and both work.And everything else you’re saying is the same stuff the parrots spout about Nen: “OMG, IT’S A COMPLEX SYSTEM.” No, it’s just a power system that’s simple to understand, like every fucking shonen fighting system where characters can use their unique powers.Even JoJo has Stands that follow rules just like a Hunter x Hunter Hatsu.It’s a mediocre system.The only reason you like the nen is because you keep telling yourself it’s the best power system when 99% of what they taught about Nen doesn’t matter. It all boils down to: magical fights.literally, the Chimera Ants completely ignored the entire Nen system. Chimera Ants STRONGER NEN
>>289359306In hunter x hunter universe the Epsteins types have to take their operations underground since they would get hunted by powerful nen users. (Like when Chrollo killed that human trafficking guy.) They are probably living in caves doing their typical stuff.
>>289358480>Morel making a smoke rope makes no sense>Smoke can't do thatMorel infuses his aura into the smoke. It's no different than what Zakuro does with blood.Transmutation is not required.
>>289360489Other way around. The Epsteins have their rape parties out in the open because the HxH world is much more cynical than ours.
>>289359559When I heard about the Kakin rape festivals I didn't picture it being quite like this
Is transmutation the worse nen category until it receives some interesting mechanic like how Emission governs over teleportation and pocket dimensions?As we know for now transmutation allows you to change the properties of your aura, but doesn't make you resistant to those properties. So you can burn or electrocute yourself with your own aura, except that you do something cheeky like conjuring yourself a body suit like Feintain or you have some bullshit super human feat like Killua resistance to electricity.It seems the only redeeming quality of transmutation is being close to enhancement and conjuration. Which would be shit if can't stan by itself.
>>289360464Can't you use your youtube revenue to buy an ads at this point faggot?
>>289359559oh lawd
Do international men using spies exist in the hunter world? I imagine country vs country nen modern intelligence gathering and fighting would make a for a good arc
>>289360515>tfw no established rape and pedo hunters like predator catchers in real life
>>289360406Double mistake!Chrollo attacked Hisoka several times but didn't inflict any significant damage. Hisoka only landed a few blows on Chrollo, but those few blows were enough to deal heavy damage to Chrollo, who immediately began running away from Hisoka and spamming his abilities to blend into the crowd.explosions literally dealt more damage to Hisoka than Chrollo himself did. And even then, Hisoka still thought Chrollo was trying to stab him with the needle while he was hidden.Manipulation techniques are simply instant kills. The rule of the ability is that if he stabs you with the needle, you lose. It’s that simple.Hisoka is a Nen master. At this point, there’s no way he wouldn’t have concluded, “I’ll just put an aura on my skin and that’s it, LMAO.”
>>289359115>You can't create a sword that cuts through everything.”>But you canNo you can't
>>289360489The Epstein types are the ones employing the Hunters, Zoldycks, and the Spiders. Nasubi and Beyond have fucked half of Kakin alone, we just got Morena's backstory of how failed children like her either became rapemeat or literal meat.
>>289360526I post that because it looks funny.
>Fullmetal Alchemist
>>289359444Yes, but only because Little Flower gives you a glaring weakness of an aura deficit during a cross exchange. Any good hunter simply cross counters Genthru and there is nothing he can do about it. Genthru would have been a more complete fighter if he just used Ko or Ren or anything really. But its a different story if Genthru conjured gloves or something that defended himself from little flower. In that case Little Flower can be used without fucking your aura control
>>289360464
>>289360569You think Chrollo did a full Chris Hansen routine when he caught pic rel? Did he prepare a bunch of one-liners in his head?>Why don't you touch that book right over there?
i like rape
>>289360069>Well worst day example will affect A defenses of course. Remember that a lot of things affect nen (your aura pool and aura output)That is NOT what Bisky was talking about at all, she wasn't saying "Hey Killua you should fight stronger opponents when they have less aura output" she was saying what Chrollo was saying here. Environment, allies, preparation, home turf advantage. These are the things that allow the weaker opponent to beat the stronger one, NOT having more or less aura on that day. >This is probably my weakest take. I truly don't know.(...)If the conditions are fulfilled yes, why shouldn't Emitters be able to kill? Let me try to explain how I view Togashi's balancing:Enhancers have the best numbers, if you are a Conjurer, better hope you have twice the aura of your enhancer opponent or they go through your guard. Transmuters and Emitters have slightly worse numbers, the high level teleportation Emitter can insta kill you IF you meet his conditions, but a Transmuter can stun you through your defense (Killua) and we've never seen Bungee Gum Break, its connected to Hisoka's arm and finger strength sure, but if he gets it on you, it might as well be game over. Manipulators and Conjureres have the worst numbers, so their most basic abilities are a One shot, putting you under their control, or putting you in Zetsu, again, as long as you meet the conditions. >First come first serve doesn't contradict the strong nen position, nor strong nen contradicts This one makes sense, though it isn't how the story presents the threat of Manipulators. >Strong nen doesn't necesarilly mean that you can punch all nen effects away, just means two things(...)That basically is the absolute rule argument. You agree that Meruem can't break Hakoware, even though he can physically interact with it, because it works on a different set of rules, and has to be attacked from a different vector i.e exorcism.
>>289359559humminah, humminah, awoooooga!!
>>289360328the arrow can't be dodged.
>>289360710can you eat the arrow
>>289359559Can we fucking not
>>289360681Holy shit, I found the inspiration for Camilla's cat!
>>289360710Yes it can. The arrow is allowed to miss.
>>289360445That's a sensible argument.
>>289360536yorknew>muh nen is so rare and secret that nobody in the world except the hunters and a handful more, knows about it, so hard to find nen users, that all the western mafia bosses combined only could hire a group of jobbers and frauds , it doesnt matter if the professional wrestlers of this verse use it in an open tournament, the people believe those are just tricks, trust mesuccesion arc>every fucking kakin mafia has a squad composed of nen users>two princes are elite nen users>many soldiers are nen users>even a rape victim is a nen usermfw
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>>289360082Emitted nen beasts make more sense than conjured and Togashi was dumb to retcon them.>the world is full of strong emitters who base their powers around conjuration (their 40% affinity) for some reason>coincidentally, these emitters have all decided to make their conjured nen invisible to non-nen users despite this making them even weaker>Netero (one of the best nen users in the world) built his hatsu around conjuration (60%) instead of using a combination of enhancement and emissions (80%)>Knuckle built his power around emission (his 40%) and his fighting style around enhanced speed and stamina (his 60%), instead of his 100% and his 80% as we thought beforeEmitted nen beasts gives us a world full of rational people using their powers in smart ways. Conjured beasts leaves us with a world of morons wasting their talent.
WHY ARE THEY SO STRONG?
>>289360710yes it can
>>289360758do you think that whenever one of Beyond's children gives a blow job he can feel the dick pulsating under their tongue?
>>289359115>Create an attack that pierces any defense, like Halkenburg’s arrow, which is impossible to dodge. Impossible to defend against.His arrow is only "impossible to defend against" because it has STRONG NEN, retard.If you cloned Halkenburg and his followers, but this time they made a shield ability, they could block the arrow.That's why "you can't make a sword that will cut through anything... but you can come close.">Be Narika and fulfill any fucking wish.Including breaking an "an unbreakable shield". Through STRONG NEN.>Or be Camilla, which allows you to revive no matter how many times you die from Nem’s post-Morden.Camilla can only revive as long as her cat is able to kill her murderer. If Meruem killed Camilla, the cat wouldn't be able to kill him, and she would stay dead.You refuse to accept how the Nen system works. You want it to be like JJK so bad. but it's not. Nen is quantifiable. I've shown you over and over again.We've had this discussion for years, and you always resorted back to "first come, first served" as an example of an absolute rule. But last batch not only Togashi proved you wrong, he explained EXACTLY why you were wrong in pic related >>289358461, corroborating literally everything my side always said.You're like that Japanese soldier who kept fighting for decades after WWII, without knowing he had already lost the war.
>>289359115Low-IQ: the post.
>>289360758I think Togashi's art has altered my mind. I actually find Longhi attractive, sexually and in personality. Still not far gone enough to want to fuck macho Bisky, though.
>>289358153>They're supposedly arrested on T3>>289360420There's three other things to consider.1. Stealing and using the ability you stole is something only a Specialist can do, according to Zeno. Anything else is fair game. Ikalgo doesn't steal Nen, he just hijacks people's bodies.2. Ikalgo can only do this to dead Nen users and he has to squirm inside their body. Chimera Ants are so strong because their unique bodies allow them access to conditions and restrictions that would be absurd for humans, but are relatively mundane for them.3. Ikalgo isn't very strong. I don't know why Kastrofags are so confused by this. Do they think Ikalgo could put up a fight against Hisoka? He got obliterated by Killua. No one said an Enhancer couldn't create an ability like this, Wing just said it wasn't optimal. Characters are allowed to be suboptimal. It also depends on your goals. Ikalgo's a coward, of course he isn't making Tiger Bite Fist or whatever.
>>289360758imagine put your penis in that
>>289360771Bro you need to get the Kastro fight off your brain. Affinities do no matter that much if you use restrictions to compensate.I don't understand why the Kastro fight mindbroke fans so much.
>>289360467This is an example of the opposite, Halkenburg had more strict conditions activated, so his ability wasn't blocked.
>>289360750The Shadow Beasts would stomp bums like Zakuro and Lynch
nude cummy this week btw
>Think, anon!
>>289360678If Togashi writes Chrollo doing Chris Hansen style interrogations of Sarasa's killers and ending them with pumpkin smashes to the skull that would be kino
>>289360710Anon the miss condition is baked into the arrows restrictions. Halkenberg has never seen a Meruem / Netero level opponent. He doesn't know what can and cannot be dodged by top tiers. His monolog was speculation, not an ability condition. (Unlike Pierce any defense which was a condition)
>>289360819STRONG NEN can KEK the AFFINITIES CHART.But the concept emmited nen beasts are cool thouMakes more sense for a "spirit type" construct to be an emitted nen beast than to be a conjured entity with extra conditions to make it invisible and intangible.Also we already know that emitted nen constructs with some level of autonomy are possible, like deep purple and 11 dark children.
>>289360829>Halkenburg had more strict conditions activated, so his ability wasn't blockedBECAUSE with HARDER CONDITIONS Halkenburg and his followers got a STRONGER MULTIPLIER.Therefore they achieved STRONG NEN.
>>289360464>>289360671>>289360753It's funnier when the text is in spanish.
I mean there’s a reason Kakin is known as the rape country and why it’s full of conjuration and manipulators.
>>289360082>into inventing concepts like emitted nen beastsBut we've seen emitted nen beasts. Schachmono just fills balloons with his aura and shapes them into human-like nen beasts he remote controls.
>>289360740>>289360781>>289360858Wait can it? Show me the page, also what happens when it misses does one of his guys just die?
>>289360771Anon just let it go. You are verging on schitzo babble because you don't think Togashi is 10 times smarter then you. Stop it, he is smarter than all of us
>>289360907it's implied when he aims at balsamico, he needs to calculate the trajectory
>>289360893>Think, Morena!
>>289360884They're not pure emission, they require manipulation + a physical object to act as a medium. What I mean is that for the longest time people thought nen beasts like Potclear were emitted, which is utter nonsense.
>>289360879
>>289360929I thought that was because he was doing through walls, so it doesn't hit anyone else on the way. I don't count that as a "miss" though, not in the sense of someone targeted, moving out of its way.
>>289360869if a hunter uses the limitation of "lmao i can only use nen during the night" , how much power he can get? how broken can his hatsu be?
>>289360884Those panels right here settle the "debate" around emitted nen beasts."Masses of aura shaped like men". So it's 100% possible.But this debate shouldn't be necessary, since we have Emitted human arms with Leorio's ability, and Emitted dragons with Zeno's.If you can have "masses of aura shaped like men", Netero can shape his aura in the image of guanyin.
>>289360487WHY THE FUCK MY POST WAS DELETED WAS I REALLY CURSED BY THIS SHIT
Bungee World!!!
>>289360884You are confusing puppets with nen beasts, please just stop
>>289360907Balsamilco speculated that to achieve the power he has to stake a life on every shot.
>>289360971Well personally I think that limiting your nen to only being able to be used during the night is equally or more limiting that the condition to touch the target and the condition to explain the rules of an ability.
>>289360979>Netero can shape his aura in the image of guanyin.No he can't. If he did it would look like pic related. The buddha is an object, so it's conjured.
>>289357334Worth it
>>289360869So you agree with me
>>289360467I have no dog in this fight, I'm ambivalent to the argument, but this is not a good example to argue strong Nen. It doesn't need to be total aura or power or anything that broke Culdcept, it could just be the fact it's a group ability. That's even the conclusion Benjamin comes to. Not "it's a group ability - and that means a ton of powerful aura!" no, just the very fact it's multiple people's will against one. It doesn't matter how strong they are (after all, Halkenburg's goons aren't strong at all).>>289360488I came out of the womb with a higher IQ than you and I'm so, so grateful I will never be as brown.
>>289360819And those restrictions are?
>>289360952>a physical object to act as a mediumThat's only to fool people.Leorio's emitted arms don't need a "physical object to act as a medium".
>>289360801>walking in on Kalluto in the communal bathrooms...
>>289360980Imagine the blowjob
>>289360952Fine, I use 5% conjuration to conjure ballons and 95% emission to fill them with aura.There you have a nen construct automaton that is "almost" full emission.
>>289361023No anon its to give him an medium in which to manipulate his nen bystop dragging Leorio into this you are confusing yourself
>>289361022Like the ones Netero or Morel use.
>>289361006>If he did it would look like pic related.Netero as an Enhancer is more profficient and more efficient with Transmutation than Zeno.Plus he's 50 years older, and spent decades refining his Nen.>The buddha is an object, so it's conjured.Objects don't clip through the ground. You lost.
>>289361021Least delusional clownfag
>>289360984This kills me
>>289360883Left handed people?
>>289361021>I will never be as brown.ese...
>>289361049No, you are confusing puppets with nen beasts again, a conjured balloon doesn't make this ability less manipulation
>>289361006>he buddha is an object, so it's conjured.Let's say that Netero have 2 optionsTo emmit aura and reshape it giving it the properties of a solid object using his 80% affinity in transmutation and emission.Or to conjure a statue using his 40% conjuration ability.Why conjure the statue?I don't get what he gains from it.
>>289360497is this supposed to be crona?
>>289361054>stop dragging Leorio into this you are confusing yourselfYou have no answer for Leorio's Emitted arm.If you can emit an arm, you can emit the rest of the body (as Sachimono proved).
if I was an emitter I would just make kamehame has
I wish Togashi would release a rulebook, it would make these discussions 100% more enjoyable.
>>289360960This is portuguese tho
>>289361100>No, you are confusing puppets with nen beasts again, a conjured balloon doesn't make this ability less manipulationI never used the term nen beast, I said a nen construct automaton, which is exactly that.11 dark children and deep purple operate autonomously after given an order
>>289361063Guardian Spirit beasts also clip through objects. Does that mean they're not conjured?
>>289361126As an Enhancer, I deflect your little light beam.
>>289361126I would make an insta-kill teleportation ability because I'm not retarded.
>>289361130>I wish Togashi would release a rulebook, it would make these discussions 100% more enjoyable.It wouldn't solve anything.In the hierarchy of canon, "Implications and consistent inferences from the work" beat "Supplementary canonical material".
>>289361029>Heh. The fool set off my landmine ability by peeing in that specific urinal. Now I can can emit a one-way portal that lets me touch his provates whenever he use a bathroom.
>>289360801>Chimera Ants are so strong because their unique bodies allow them access to conditions and restrictions that would be absurd for humans, but are relatively mundane for them.This go me thinking. A nen ability that lets me manipulate a corpse like Zombie-girl but while I'm still alive. I do this by conducting a ritual and consuming a part of the dead body (generally the heart) and entering into a coma so that I can fully project my consciousness into the corpse. Maybe there's a limit to how much aura I can also send with my mind and maybe I can increase aura while in the corpse by consuming living flesh. And I can get some kind of bonus if I killed the person myself and the corpse is still fresh, like greater enhancement. I call this hatsu [Warm Bodies: The Pulse of Life] and it's a manipulation + emissions ability. >>289360952>They're not pure emission, they require manipulationI don't think conjured nen beasts can animate without manipulation either. The medium is either the emitted or conjured aura. >>289360987>You are confusing puppets with nen beastsA nen beast is just any animated construct made with nen. It can be abengane's conjured beasts, Rihan's predator, Schachmono's ability, or even Pitou's marionette constructs.
>>289361118It's a restriction. The entire statue ability makes zero sense for an enhancer to use, since it ignores his biggest asset (his physical strength). It works anyway because Netero is just that good.
>>289361143Someone mentioned nen beast when talking about the balloon ability It's still a balloon anon, the mechanic of the ability do not change because its a conjured balloon
>>289361160Right, but the problem is we can't TELL what objectively happens on the page, we have equal evidence that the beasts are sometimes emitted (can't be seen by normies, type affinity, phasing etc.) and conjured (the look realistic, GSB's are conjured)
>>289361170>I don't think conjured nen beasts can animate without manipulation either.I'm pretty sure they can.That's one of the points of conjuration, to conjure something with a function.If you conjure something that resembles a living being it have a function without having to manipulate it's behavior.
>>289356671Yippy
>>289361126Meruem...
>>289361124He isn't emitted his arm anon, he is emitting his punch, this is why you are confusing yourself
>>289361184>It's still a balloon anon, the mechanic of the ability do not change because its a conjured balloonExcept that you don't need to carry balloons, you can conjure the ballons near you wherever you want, you can't insta conjure the balloon filled with aura....It is a lot more practical.
>>289361194>sometimes emitted (can't be seen by normies, type affinity, phasing etc.)Anon, conjured beasts can do all of those. That's not evidence for anything.
>>289361184Is it even a conjured balloon? He seems to carry them around and they didn't disappear when he deactivated his ability as seen >>289360884
>>289361212HOLY SHIT YOU RETARD, THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING, YOU CAN GIVE EMITTED NEN SOLID PROPERTIES AND SHAPE THEM THIS SHOULD TAKE LESS EFFORT THAN CONJURING THE SAME THING FOR AN EMITTER.
>>289360356Oh god
>>289361177I think he only used it against Meruem because he couldn't afford to go hand to hand.He seemed to kill all the other ants with just his bare hands.
>>289361197You can Conjure a Nen Beast that will have some sort of Nen programming on them. Like Morel's autonomous soldiers.But some Manipulation will be required for that (otherwise you get Gallery Fake corpses), and active Manipulation will be required if you want to control how it moves in real time.
>>289361177>It's a restriction. The entire statue ability makes zero sense for an enhancer to use, since it ignores his biggest asset (his physical strength). It works anyway because Netero is just that good.Your response doesn't make sense anon.I'm asking why base the ability / restriction on a conjured statue when you can achieve the same with emitted/transmuted aura.The whole point of conjuration is to build something that have a function that no normal object has.You can bruteforce things with emitted aura, as Zeno dragon shows.
>>289361237So basically, Kastro is dumb for using Conjuration and Manipulation, but Razor and Goreinu do the same thing and they're praised for it.
>>289361197>I'm pretty sure they can.I would disagree here. Especially with powers like Kastro, Hanzo, and Tuffdy's doppelgangers. They all set the precedent that their nen bodies need manipulation to move. Otherwise you get a lifeless corpse like those made with Gallery Fake. But actually getting them to move required something like Order Stamp which is manipulation. Functions for conjured objects seemed to refer to powers and abilities and not actual life or intelligence.
>the existence of this chart mindbroke fans so hard they they gaslit themselves to think emission = conjurationIt's hard to even believe this shit.
>>289361170>A nen beast is just any animated construct made with nen.No. A balloon filled with Aura is a balloon filled with aura. A nen beast is a type of humanoid or animal made of nen. You are making this harder by using the word:>any animated construct made with nenThere is a reason manipulation and conjuration are different. You are needlessly blurring them by ignoring the difference between nen beasts and puppets
>>289360521Sukuna would be a Transmuter.>>289360971Not much. Kurapika wanted his chains to only be limited to 13 people, out of 8 billion, and Izunavi called it weak.
>>289361261Deep purple is not conjuration.Is a nen construct made with emission like 11 dark children.To do an automaton nen construct with emission you need to use manipulation.I'm arguing that you don't need it for conjuration because you can make a functional thing that resembles a living being, so you can give it orders without having to use manipulation.
>>289361279in razor's case it could be that the devil's he summons can be just conjured in the gym
>>289361238Its a real balloon, the anon is making a weird argument that if he conjured a balloon it would be a different type of nen
>>289360971Morel's friends ability only worked when it was raining, and thats less consistent than night time. It seemed to give the ability a lot of range, but still within the realms of a decent Nen user.
>>289361295>A nen beast is a type of humanoid or animal made of nen. You are making this harder by using the word:That's literally what Schachmono made. Humanoids made of nen. The balloons are only there to foll people into not realizing they are made of aura. You have ironically made it harder to define nen beasts by focusing on a cosmetic decision and not the function of the ability itself. >There is a reason manipulation and conjuration are differentSure, but nen beasts can be either emitted or conjured and your own definition supports my argument but you are needlessly focused on the balloons.
>>289361218rihan already working on his 2nd nen beast kill while everyone else is still trying to figure out how to deal with just one
>>289361239No, its completely wrong to say that, you are adding a bunch of steps to the process of *emitting a punch*This is in no way anything like emitting a nen beast. Emitted aura has always been like a punch
>>289360168
>>289361336What anon says is that in the story the term "nen beast" is, until now, only used for conjured nen constructs.There are instances of emitted nen constructs, but the characters don't refer to them as nen beasts, they refer to them as "nen constructs" (deep purple).That and a lot of autism, but more than autism bad faith to misrepresent what others say desu.
>>289361279Kastro is dumb for creating that ability without restrictions. That was his mistake.
For the "Netero's Buddha is Conjured because it looks realistic" anons, is this Emitted or Conjured?
>>289361029I meant to comment on that but forgot while making my stupid red box. Do you think everyone's comfortable sharing the showers with Kalluto?>>289361063>Objects don't clip through the groundNenzo and Nencho do. The GSBs do.
>>289361352Until it isn't? Like when it goes through walls???
>>289360356Look at this boy totally surrounded on all sides
>>289361336>The balloons are only there to foll people into not realizing they are made of aura.This is wrong, he is manipulating the balloons to act like people. Its a completely different thing then making a nen beastPic related is a nen beastBalloon puppets are not
>>289361263Anon your entire line of reasoning makes no sense. Netero's ability is purposely inefficient. Its restrictions and his spiritual enlightenment is what gives it power. Arguing "why isn't this inefficient ability slightly more efficient?" is self-defeating.
>>289361279razor was just chilling playing a game with kids. if he fought a life and death battle with hisoka he wouldn't waste his nen on the conjurations except for maybe a feint or a redirect of his ballkastro centered his whole fighting style around that clone
>>289361370Conjured
>>289361385>Netero's ability is purposely inefficient.> It use the weakest nen type as a restriction> to achieve> A STRONGER RESULTAnon are you reading yourself?How dumb that is?Imagine any nen user simply deciding to use a technique of an opposing nen type and arguing> Is my opposing nen type> it is more inneficient> that's my restriction> SO IT WILL MAKE THE POWER STRONGERIt would mean that the stronger technique for any nen user could always be the opposing nen type.It is a bit of a dumb reasoning.
>>289361406Then why does the second bird look much more Conjured?
>>289361400What are you talking about, you have to dedicate all of your training to a Hatsu, you can't just say, "that's just his Hatsu for messing around" such a thing doesn't exist. >>289361367That's not at all what Wing criticized him for, he explicitly warned the boys about going too far from your own affinity, and Hisoka said the same but with memory. >>289361306And in Goreinu's case?
Words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words>nothing happens, again, with a cast of filler literal who characters they will be forgotten after this arc anyway >hiatus incoming
>>289361439How would the average anon utilize this ability?
So I dug up the raw for the page we were discussing a couple of threads ago. I'll see if I can find better quality.Anyone who can actually read moonrunes is invited to translate. I ran it through deepl and it gave:>Conversely, parasitic types that are invisible to anyone but those with special abilities typically consume a great deal of energy to maintain a “state that is invisible to ordinary people,” so the user must be prepared to take on additional risks.
>>289361458>That's not at all what Wing criticized him for, he explicitly warned the boys about going too far from your own affinity, and Hisoka said the same but with memory.That's good advice for a newbie. Only nen masters like Morel and Netero can excel at distant categories because they know what they're doing.
>>289361469>Only a Conjurer or a Manipulator could put so much aura into a piece of paper...
Anons, please keep in mind the distinction between "made of" & "made from".When we're talking about Nen, we need to be precise and deliberate with our language.Zeno's dragon is made OF nen. It is comprised of nen.Kurapika's chains are made FROM nen.Zhang Lei's GSB is made FROM nen.Nen that has been CONVERTED into actual matter, comprised of said matter, not comprised of nen.
>>289361461>t. shiesty wearer
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>>289361365>only used for conjured nen constructs.I think that's a byproduct of Viz fucking up the TL for Razor's 14 devils. They get called "conjured goons" when the japanese text only calls them "Razor's nen beasts". Since Razor is an emitter and can refund the beasts to get his aura back. It's clear they are emitted. Same with Goreinu who emits two beasts that have an emissions power as well. In that respect, nen beast has always been a more ambiguous term when applied to conjuration or emissions. >>289361382>he is manipulating the balloons to act like peopleNo, the story makes it clear that the manipulation is just through the human-shaped aura.
>>289361370You don't get it, anon.With Emission you can separate your aura from your body, and with Transmutation you can shape that aura however you want. However, if you shape it in any way that someone could interpret your aura as a living being (or "beast), then Conjuration is required.Why? Because some anons said so.Pic related uses Conjuration, by the way.
>>289361469look up the closet crypto-whale and steal their wallet key I guess?
>>289361373>Nenzo and Nencho do. The GSBs do.Because they're Emitted.
>>289361522Bitch the devils are confirmed conjured. Why are you dying on this hill? Do you have brain damage?
>>289361458>What are you talking about, you have to dedicate all of your training to a Hatsu, you can't just say, "that's just his Hatsu for messing around" such a thing doesn't exist.Plenty of nen users have less effective secondary skills that mainly serve the purpose of setting up their primary skill. See Gon.
>>289361546>Bitch the devils are confirmed conjuredwrong. please show me a single instance of any conjurer sucking up their constructs to get the aura back.
>>289361553Yes, and Gon has 80% affinity with Emission, and Hisoka has 80% affinity for conjuration. This does not at all explain why Razor (who has 40% affinity for Conjuration) would make 13, highly responsive Nen beasts, that don't have a fixed form (which is indicative that the are made OF Nen instead of being made FROM Nen.
>>289361584Conjurer anons in shambles.How can they even recover?
>>289361553To be fair Gon and Killua are newbyes.Knuckles being a conjurer is manhandling Gon in hand to hand combat.So his emission is even weaker than that.
>>289361584bodied that freak
>>289361538anon, conjured things can be imbued with rules. The GSBs being both tangible and intangible is a case of imbued rules.
Conjured Buddha bros...
>>289361373>>289361146I stand corrected about the GSB.That said, there's no reason for Netero's Guanyin to rise through the ground. It would be strictly better if it poofed into existence already on the opponent (like Genthru's bombs or the dart fishes).There's literally no reason for Netero to Conjure his Buddha. Emitted Nen will be simply more efficient for him. He doesn't need to make regular people see his buddha.
>shape my aura into a handTransmutation>project that hand across the roomEmissions>it looks like a real handUHHH THAT'S CONJURATION ACTUALLY and you need to use extra nen to turn it invisible
>>289358577and then Fuugetsu wins in her sleep
>>289361648Yes. If you can use emission to do literally the exact same thing as conjuration there's no reason for that latter category to exist. Do you understand this concept?
There has never been a good Emitter because they all just shoot nen bullets at you.
>>289361584Razor's devils also rise through the ground. EXACTLY like Leorio's emitted arms, and EXACTLY like Netero's buddha.This debate is actually so over. There's literally NO REASON for Razor to make "Conjured" constructs rise through the ground (having to bother it with giving them very special phasing properties).
>>289361648>and you need to use extra nen to turn it invisibleThis is the hardest part for me to understand about it. Adding the invisibility rule is clearly more than an afterthought.
>>289361648>shape aura into handok ok>project that "hand" across the roomright, ok>it looks like a real handfalse, it would like hand-shaped projectile of aura. No nen user would mistake it for an actual hand with blood, flesh, and bone.refer to franklin's bullets and zeno's dragon
>>289361682>Waaaah! its unfair!Next you're going to say that its unfair that a Conjurer at the Same skill as an Enhancer can't block his punches.
Why did Morel and the 11 puppets guy bother with the whole smoke/balloon thing when they could have just 100% emitted their nen beasts? Were they stupid?
>>289361689i'm begging you to reread the manga panels featuring leorio's ability as well ging's mimicking of the ability
>>289361711>false, it would like hand-shaped projectile of aura. No nen user would mistake it for an actual hand with blood, flesh, and bone.Which is exactly why Sachimono bothers with the baloons. Netero's buddha doesn't need to be mistaken for an actual statue, nor Razor devils need to look like real people.
>>289357334Green-haired Morena is growing on me but obviously color page color schemes aren't canon and I think imagine her as blond.
>>289361722The 11 puppet guy wasn't skilled enough to hold his Nen together without an outside medium AND command them. He could barely command them properly, they were super simple. Morel is a Manipulator, he can put a fuck ton of aura into his chosen medium and the added solidity makes it tough for people to tell his puppets are fake using En.
>>289361735>i'm begging you to reread the manga panels featuring leorio's abilityI already posted it >>289361124It looks exactly like a proper hand and fist.
>>289361683The peak emitter shoots nut and impregnates with 100% reliability
>>289361774
>>289361759>looks exactly likeanon...
Bro idk what’s going on in. Where’s Gon and Killua? Who are these people?
>>289361722>guy emits 11 puppet guys>they’re just nen shaped puppet bullets with extra stepsYeah let’s test these guys by shooting them in the face and we will hire the survivors. gg no re.
>>289361774>He phased his cum into her body! attacking her womb directly! Think Rihan! did he Conjure the sperm and give it extra rules, or is he skilled enough to warp his semen mid-flight!
>>289361722Extremely simple question to answer:a) Sachimono was not only a scrub, but his ability had the explicit purpose of making people think they were real people. That's literally how the context in which the ability is introduced;b) Morel is a Manipulator, not an Emitter. It's more efficient for him to Manipulate smoke in the shape that he wants than to use Transmutation, which is literally his worst category. But more importantly, Morel uses smoke to make people think they are the real thing. That is not possible with pure Emitted aura.
>>289361810Nobunaga is Gon now
>>289356390I want a nice fight happening no more nothing burguer and walls of text, this is shounen not game of thrones
So if Tserreidnich gets like one more week of training, literally who on the black whale can stop him?
>>289361883Me.
>>289361883Pika.
>>289361851Chillua
>>289361883Bill+Kurapika combo
>>289361883Beyond
>>289361883>it's another retard who thinks Tserriednich is invincible
>>289361883first we need more information about Ephemeral Ten Seconds' restrictions
>>289361883Cammy literally cannot die.
>>289361840Making smoke look like people...Hmmm is that only manipulation? Or some extra of transmutation/conjuration?How do you make smoke look like people?
>>289361883
>>289361929Strong Teamwork Nen
>>289358907I would simply stop caring about the manga after this current batch and lament the fact that we live in the dumbest possible timeline where people eat AI shit up. I'm already considering Everything up to chapter 340 quintessential, pure HxH and pretty much a perfect manga.>>289359030>Heck I would have zero problem if Togashi stops drawing a manga and finally decides to write a light novel with some illustrationsI still think that's a dumb fucking idea and think that he should just cut the middleman and just post chapter summaries on his Twitter account because that's what the fanbase wants.Also the man should demote him from professional mangaka to an lesser industry with a bunch of nobodies? The two of the only respectable LN authors are Kouhei Kadono and Kazuma Kamachi (mainly because of his work ethic)
>>289361538Non-users can see Nenzo and Nencho.>>289361640That's a ton of aura to Emit and Transmute. It makes more sense to Conjure it.
>>289361883Benjamin is really the only one who could probably take him. Martial Law and Those Among The Stars are very strong abilities and his nen beast just got super buffed. Even if he fails Benjamin’s child will inherit everything and they could become a power strong enough to rival tserreidnich.
>>289361965>smoke shaped via manipulation>all that's left for a convincing enough likeness is changing the coloura simple colour change sounds perfectly doable with a 40% transmutation proficiency.Being less proficient in a category is not equal to being incapable of using that category.40% does not equal 0%
what are even the consequences of being inefficient in conjuration? the objects themselves are shittier? it takes more aura to make them? with enhancement/trans/emission it's easier to see what happens when you suck at it but i dont know how it works for conjuration. or manipulation either teebeeaitchDESU.
>>289361522The balloons are humanoid shaped anon, its the balloons that look like people He isn't transforming them into people, he is simply filling them with his aura. This is the worse example for your emitted nen beast theory because these are literally nen balloon puppets
>>289361883Experience > Talent Retard
>>289362002>That's a ton of aura to Emit and Transmute. It makes more sense to Conjure it.Even at the worst interpretation, 0.8 * 0.8 = 0.64, which is still more efficient than Conjuration.
>>289361965You manipulate the smoke to look like a person anon, unlike people shaped balloons that you emit aura intoI hope you can understand the ontological difference, but I know you wont
>>289362104way more training time to even begin to conjure anythingand even if you manage, you'll find extremely difficult to conjure something WITH special rulesit becomes such a waste of time that any sensible nen user who understands their proficiencies wouldn't bother with it
maybe it's just been way too long before i read the entirety of the arc but we've never actually been given a blurb on what benjamin's nen beast does, right? and now all of a sudden we're getting info dumped on how it's gonna turn him into a god. this whole chapter felt so strange, like it jumped the shark almost
>>289361965>>289362086Giving the smoke texture and color is Conjuration, which he has 60%.It's just a simpler version of Texture Surprise, but applied to smoke.
>>289362104If your specialization is the furthest from Conjuration efficiency is low as 20%, maybe lower. Yeah the objects you conjure become shitty. It takes more effort to make an ability that a natural conjurer can do by default. It’s like asking a farmer to do rocket science unless they are a genius it can’t be done.
>>289361461I thank GODashi for filtering illiterate retards like you by the thousands with each new chapter.
What are the odds Tyson is one of Beyond's kids?
>>289362181oh wait, true
>>28936221910% im sure Togashi floated the idea
Thank you to the anon who shared this pic earlier
>>289362181makes sense
You know when Biscuit was making Gon and Killua train their Emission and Transmutation, how it started with simple Nen bubbles, and shaping numbers. What do you guys think are the simple Conjuration exercises? Could they be giving things Colour, and Texture, making them appear more real?
>>289361883Tserriednich problem is that even if he gets super stronk he really doesn't understand the full capabilities of niche abilities, PT members still have a big advantage thereAlso AFAIK he hasn't really leveled up basic nen training stuff other than zetsu
>>289362273Well it depend, but if you are trying to make very hard to break chains you have to grow a schitzo attachment to chainsEventually you can just conjure stuff on the fly once you are good at nen
>>289362273maybe something like condensing your aura into a shape, sort of like Ko.Like imagining a sphere between your hands and then focusing and condensing your aura into that space and shape.
>>289362273Like Kurapika you need to see an object. Feel an object. Taste an object. Think about that object every day. Dream about that object. I don’t think it’s particularly hard to train Conjuration you just have to find the right object to do it. Like conjuring fire would be very difficult.
>>289362156the martial law scenes definitely feel like we're observing Benjamin's fever dream.everything else in the arc is so deliberately structured that I'm made to think it's on purpose on Togashi's part.he's basically showing us how quickly Benjamin checks out when he's no longer receiving sound advice and also reaffirming Nasubis winning strategy of waiting everyone else out which Kurapika is also doing
>>289360350already better
>>289362273They might change the properties of real things, like how Hinrigh's ability worksMaybe turning rocks into cubesOtherwise I feel like they could do something like the water divination test and just make pebbles basically?I really want to know how they'd train manipulation, tooI think it was said somewhere that manipulators can put more aura in objects, which is basically Shu, so the mining exercise Gon and Killua did might have been manipulation training in a way
>>289362238Boom lol
This isn’t a unique thing but I appreciate Togashi straddling the line on power levels decently when he clearly wants his cake and eat it too. Low tiers with good or decent match up abilities and great planning can defeat people of higher tiers, even in 1v1. And the monsters (I’m talking literal monsters like the ants and DC) in this series outclass humans fatally in stats, like most fantasy series, but at least if you have enough nen users with hax and strategy you can beat them. Like, there’s a good chance post rose meruem would lose to somebody whose ability is similar to tsk-17 and activate post mortem nen. How many people are there around like that? Maybe 0, maybe a handful.But the single fact that it is HYPOTHETICALLY POSSIBLE makes it good enough for me.Togashi loves to have his cake and eat it too (see: specialist). But he’s probably one of the best authors at doing it
>>289361476Continuing with Deepl:>All of the princes' spirit beasts were created through the ritual. They are parasitic in nature and invisible to ordinary humans. >It’s like a spirit that has possessed the subject.>On the other hand, everyone present witnessed this Spirit Beast (snake)To be clear, the Kanji read spirit beasts and the furigana read snake>Materialization... in other words, something like ordinary matter that even ordinary people can see>So... does that mean it's a completely different ability after all?>Broadly speaking, they’re the same type of Nen ability.>Simply put, their perceptions of people with abilities and their views on risk are different.>For example, if a snake were to materialize in a form visible even to ordinary humans, wouldn't the risk of being discovered increase?OCR breaks on the next line but from what I got it reads like Viz. Risk and reward type stuff.>Conversely, parasitic types that are invisible to anyone but those with special abilities typically consume a great deal of energy to maintain a “state that is invisible to ordinary people,” so the user must be prepared to take on additional risks.>Especially in a succession battle like this one, where as many as 14 people have different Nen Beasts parasitically attached to them, it requires an enormous amount of...Unlike in Viz, Kurapika trails off mid-sentence.
Where would the avenge nen using Kakin guy in this arc rank on Hisoka’s scale? Like Furykov, hnrigh, Camilla, Luini, etc
>>289362434No different than these losers.
>>289361677Why Fuu hips are so wide...
>>289362462> 0.2Bro, what are you even doing
>>289362462and yet Togashi wants us to believe the hei-ly could kill a spider. Even if all these guys teamed up on Feitan he’d kill them.
>>289362467As the next King she's going to have to bear like 20 sons so she better
>>289362434Luini gets a low score. Furykov is slightly higher. Camilla gets a high-ish score but he assumes she isn't a fun fight. Hinrigh might be duel-worthy.>>289362467I thought it was just those particular pants. Are they that wide in other outfits?
>>289362462Why did Togashi have to ruin the Hunter Association? Making the majority of hunters complete fodder was a huge mistake. The Hunter Association used to be cool, now it's a joke.
>>289362491as of now they clearly can't when even Nobunaga could've cleared a whole room of them if not for 1 hax ability
>>289362517That’s his biggest worldbuilding mistake in my opinion. He pretty much said>this special organization? Most of them aren’t worth caring aboutI think we’ve met every worthwhile hunter already.
>>289362517you don't have to be a good fighter to be a good nen user hisoka would probably rate kortopi & neon very low despite their abilities having tons of utility
>>289362503I like Hinrigh but I'm pretty sure Hisoka stat checks him so hard that it almost isn't a fight.Remember Hinrigh got tagged by the brand-new-conjurer fodder Padaille, with the drill hand.
if nen were real most people wouldn't develop an offensive ability let's keep it a buck
>>289362517Greed island anon.... hunters were alway fodder
>>289362546this, Hisoka's scale is vibe based (but informed) stat check that doesn't account for the particulars of one's hatsu
>>289362554Hinrigh himself admitted he has no chance whatsoever against Hisoka or Troupe.Smart, tricky guy but he'd get overwhelmed
>>289362392What a high level exchange!
>>289362576Agreed. Most people would want utility.
>>289361883That faggot doesn't even know Ken lmao His Ren probably doesn't even last for 10 minutes.
>>289362587Probably also what happens to peak his interest.For example, Uvo sure was strong but he didn't interest Hisoka. He's intrigued by Chrollo's skill more than his pure combat prowess. He gave Tiger Man only 8.5 but that doesn't necessarily reflect his strength. It's just that he's a pretty boring opponent
>>289362434>Furykov and Benjamin's guardsNot exciting. Too many of them are sly assassins not prime fighter material. They're sitting with Tsezguerra's goons at best. 15-25 points each. >HinrighPretty much the picture perfect example of a guy just strong enough to get Hisoka's attention and kill for sport like Kastro or Gotoh. Very generously 45 points.>Luini5 points this guy was a glorified normalfag stabber he did nothing.>CammyCammy looks like bottom feeder nen user without knowing what her ability does, which is exactly what makes her dangerous. 2 points because he couldn't ever know without seeing it.
>>289362576HxH is a shounen filled with way more fights than the average Hunter would ever experience, yet even in this series support abilities have generally been way better than pure combat skills.Ironically, I think Greed Island is the only arc where an average Hunter would disproportionately benefit from having a combat Hatsu, because otherwise you'd just get wrecked by either Razor during his volleyball or killed by Genthru when he was hunting players.In every other arc combat Hatsu are mostly irrelevant because the antagonists are way too strong. Even if you had a combat ability you would still get killed by the Troupe or Royal Guard's just as easily as if you had no ability at all.But the best abilities can fucking in combat as as utility, like Knov's room hatsu.
>>289362679Everything else is okBut no way, you gotta be an insane nen user to develop a Cammy like ability, she knows what her ability does.... she is like a 4.5, Tse is like a 5.5Ben is like a 5
>>289360353Sarasa's butchered body was going to be more graphic until someone said "Togashi-san, y-yamete..."
>>289362576I would bomb people
>>289362826What sort of bomb? Conjured like Genthru or emitted like the Sun and Moon seals?
>>289362679These are way too low. Kakin nen suers wound they destroyed by Genthru like all those greed island fodder did. Everyone except Luini should at least be a 50
Pariston is Sheila's trauma-induced sadomasochistic 2nd personality based on her conception of the "perfect hunter" and it's been in charge of the body for awhile btw.
>>289362847Users Wouldn’t get destroyed**
I am the world's smartest Emitter. I'm going to develop a power using Conjuration then I'm going to use most of the power to turn it invisible (which also makes it less risky and therefore weaker) and then spend more power to let it phase through objects (which also makes it less restricted and therefore weaker).
>>289362238Asta, another hottie gone too soon
>use Enhancement to enhance my nen proficiency until I become a SpecialistProblem Togashi?
>>289362887can you describe the actual processes you would go through to facilitate this?
Cammy will be spared but have to spend the rest of her days as a breeding sow for Benjamin's men
>>289362576Is someting like Shalnark's self-Manipulation an offensive ability or utility?
>>289362864They absolutely would, Bara beats all of Ben's guards. They were able to take an army of people with Ak-47s, Ben's guards can hardly handle a handgun>>289362866Based emitter knowing you put your aura into things to give it properties
>>289362853noted
>>289362907Use nen on your nen to make more nen.
pariston is sheilas oniichan and its so obvious its unreal im the only person in the world who realized this
>>289362926a one shot is obviously offensive but he still gets utility, offense & defense from the controlled body + it powers him up, I'd say both
>>289362965Gon-san...
Cumming in Camilla’s virgin treasure
>>289362935>Bara beats all of Ben's guards. They were able to take an army of people with Ak-47s,Huh? When
>>289362967You’re not the only person to realize this. It’s just that everyone got bored of theorycrafting so people don’t talk about it anymore . Over a decade ago I’ve seen>Sheila is the S in Greed Island>Sheila is gon’s mom>sheila is Pariston’s sister >sheila is Pariston >Pariston is Sheila nen beats or ability or vice versa
>>289363001When they were waiting out Tseguerra, they killed the army guys who were stationed at the exit point
>>289363023it's because we'll never see pariston again so who even cares
>>289363023>>289362967Sheila is obviously an informant for the human traffickers that hunted kids in Meteor city.
>>289363039Hmm are you planning on dying soon? Don't do it anon
>>289363033that was just one guy
>>289363047I’ve also seen that one after the troupe flashback, but I really don’t have enough details to care discussing it
>>289363023Oops, can’t forget the >unnamed woman in Beyond’s team is SheilaThere’s a couple die hards for that theory
>>289363050We see atleast 3-4 armed guards, its implied there are tons of them when Gon and Killua enter
I wonder if stubborness and frustration can blanket power up your ability when creating it. Like, if you really want to have a certain hatsu using only one category, but you know it'd be easier to achieve the desired effect by mixing in another one, does your power become better once you figure out how to make it work with only the category you're fixated on?
i can't remember where it is, but the panel of the broken doll is kinda all we need to know where the Pariston and Sheila stuff is going. whether they are the same person, siblings, w/e. just gotta see how it unfolds.
>>289363090The problem is it’s so contrived but seeing the baby swap shit , mass rape parties, and all the soul swapping I wouldn’t be shocked anymore
>>289363049togashi is 60. this arc has been going on for 14 years and is at best at the midway point.we are not seeing pariston again. or ging. or Killua. or Gon. best make peace with it
>>289363083The manga talks about people fucking themselves over by doing this without training in every category first
>>289363079They left
>>289363106Nice lies, I believe in Togashi
>>289363106What will happen with hunter x hunter franchise?Do you think other author will be allowed to continue it?
>>289363131No
>>289363118Oh Rip old guy :*( they were able to tank his gun shots atleast
>>289363131Gege gets the manga, and turns DC into the purest fightfag adventure manga. Instead of being about survival we 1v1 the calamities
Depending on how martial law goes this arc might end a lot sooner than we anticipated.
>>289363162Nice cope. It's at least 60 more chapters until this arc ends.
>>289363162At minimum it won’t end until chapter 460. Which is at least 8 years away at Togahsi pace of 10 chapters every 2 years. So I guess it is soon.
If I make a thread it will be about baby murder, someone must stop me
>>289358588>Killua thinking his grandpa can AoE skewer with just his mind is retardedNot really, he has a magical wish granting little brother. A grandpa that can destroy a building with a thought is nothing
>>289363192>t.
>>289363148oh hell nawt. jjkfag
>>289363216HeheThis remember how hard Nanica was retconned into the story.If I remember correctly Killua was very surprised when he learned about nen.
>>289363216>>289363314He forgot about Alluka because of Illumi's needle, speedies.
>>289363346> speedieMore like an oldie, I can't even remember how long ago I read this shit.
>>289362462perfect 10
>>289357969are you retarded? potclean is just a representation of knuckle's ability. it's only invincible because it's literally not meant to do anything but allow the user and opponent to track the progress. destroying it would do nothing to actually stop the ability, thus it's "invincible" in the same way me drawing on you with marker is "invincible"
>>289363090I thought Pariston was supposed to be a little older, maybe in his 30s, but after Leorio and Kurapika became zodiacs its fair that Pariston could be the same age as Sheila
>>289362125>The balloons are humanoid shaped anonBecause the aura is also human shaped as part of the deception. The balloons are the thing moving, they are just clothes. >>289362152>it becomes such a waste of time that any sensible nen user who understands their proficiencies wouldn't bother with itKnov uses his limited conjuration to make his 4th dimensional mansion. And his ability is among the best transportation ones and overall utility. Killua also uses his 40% manipulation proficiency incredibly well.
If Kakin is supposed to be ruled by god kings with super nen powers, why did it take hundreds of years for them to be recognized as a major global power? And it probably would have taken even longer, since Beyond helped out in that too.
>>289362907I enhance my brain so that I can come up with more efficient methods of training my nen so I can enhance my brain better and come up with even better ways of training my nen.
>>289363390She's like a 7 at best.
why doesnt that shit that happened to castro happen to knuckle
>>289358851The needle would be teleported with the gorilla. Teleportation includes things in/on your body, otherwise Goreinu would become naked every time he teleports
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>>289363023Sheila is Pariston's sister and Gon's mom. And that's why Ging called Pariston "Paris", because that's how Sheila used to call her beloved brother and Ging is used to the nickname. Mark my words.
>>289363531>7What a faggot lol
