The justice department made a shocking announcement: Babies are now eligible for abortion up to 18 months after birth
Zhang Li dies nextCammy gets her limbs cut off and will be a nugget Benjamin dies from AIDS
Future ruler of kakin
>hello >do you see that big bust chick with the glasses>yes, the dumb looking chick with dark hair turtleneck and the chain>Yea, send her to my room please. Tell her the “king” is waiting for her
total clown supremacy btw
>>289363376The fact multiple princes are BFF's with Tserri and don't realize he's a serial killer shatters my suspension of disbelief.
>>289363376
>>289363376Shizuku speedblitzes himShe looks over his corpse and comments on his closing your eyes in combat is dumb
>>289363294Zhang Lei is not dying, he explicitly escaped to his Mafia when the MARTIAL LAW began. Cammy, on the other hand...
>>289363449RIP
>>289363515No, this is like saying the air inside a balloon is balloon shaped. Air does not having an intrinsic shape. Aura does not have an intrinsic shape. This is in contrast to a nen beast, who does have aura that is shaped like a nen beast
>>289363495sorry bro but Borksen's turning Zhang Lei and Luzurus into points
if you were a prince, what would your nen beast do? (aka what would your innermost thoughts be in a royal battle royale)i'd probably have some shitter hiding ability like fugetsu
>>289363376Shizuku would one-shot this guy without nen.
>>289363300I saw some retard on reddit talking about how this was the most dark and fucked up page in the manga, how do people like that even function?
>>289363376next week...
>>289363667probably something like Sale Sale that makes women want to have sex with me
>>289363667>tfw guro folder is 20 years old and nearing 600 gbs It would be some body part abomination, and the ability would be coercive manipulation, it gives people various degrees of pain depending on how helpful they are to me
>>289363775Wouldn't it be more like Tseri's where it turns people into perma-guro'd Nen beasts if they betray you?
>>289363376Tser is so lucky...
>>289363702And to think we haven't even gotten started yet...
>>289363702I wonder how they’d react to that Mukuro page in Yu Yu Hakusho where she’s a child sex slave. I
>>289363667togashi said he'd also want fugetsu's ability so ye could crawl to a hospital every time his back starts acting up
>>289363475he seems to be a rapid upstart that joined the Zodiacs relatively recently, judging by how the other Zodiacs aren't very used to him and Ging especially hasn't fully downloaded him.also an interesting thing about Pariston potentially being a concocted persona. the Zodiacs all took on some aspects of the appearance of the animal they represent, but Pariston looks the same and has no direct "rat" attributes.it's up to you to decide what this says about him, like perhaps the typical politician aesthetic indirectly evokes the "rat". but if Pariston is a concocted personality, modeled according to the conception of a perfect hunter, it's as if that already elegantly fulfills that purpose and didn't necessitate further customization.
Are you almost done yet Franklin..
>>289363702i mean it is a little girl getting strangled to death by a grown man keki guess they must have slept through the chimera ant arc though
So is Cammy naked?
>>289363308My favorite prince. I can definitely see her surviving the Martial D.Law sub-arc, she has a lot of factors in her favor; wormhole, Melody and Nencho and Kaiser with the Justice Department. I can't tell how low her death flag is but I'm sure she'll be a major character in the lategame of the arc. Maybe she'll even make it through, Togashi isn't like Ishida or GayGay. He wouldn't kill off a cute young dark-haired girl
>>289363893Her GSB charms every man who gets an erection looking at her
>>289363942Unfortunately for her, Benjamin's crew are all gay (hard counter)
>>289363931Say that to her
>>289363702Its pretty bad, the way its depicted is hard to cope with and maybe more poignant than chimera ant stuff with how that was nature taking its course
>>289363942>has no effect on Gon, Killua, Kurapika, Leorio, Hisoka, Chrollo, Nobunaga, Phinks, Feitan, Uvo, Shalnark, Bonolenov, Ging, Pariston, Illumi, Mizaistom, Kanzai, Ginta, Hanzo, Knuckle, Shoot, Meleoron, Morel, Knov, Netero, Beyond...
>>289363893yes, and she probably will have a face off with Ben and his men looking like that
>>289363997Not a major character and she died horribly but it was offscreen.I also forgot to mention it in the post but fucking Amane survived the Zoldyck Family inner-conflict, Fuu is probably fine.
>>289363308Fuu wide hips...
>>289363702I think I probably agree with that. What's worse?
>>289363883>>289364008See this is what I mean? We've seen so much worse, but just because it isn't "Framed" as badly, people feel no need to comment on it, or even think about it. I would rather be the little girl who lead a generally okay life, only to be choked to death, than for example: suffer the way Pokkle did. Trapped for god knows how long under stinking corpses, terrified out of his mind, caught like a rat, and toyed with, having his brain dissected while he was still alive, forced to give his own enemies the tactics he knows will be used against more of his comrades until everything that made him, HIM was stripped forcefully away by Pitou, completely casually. But who cares about him? He's not a cute little girl!
>>289364129
>>289363893Yes, she's in my bed.
>>289364015Fuaaark... Is Leorio the only guy it works on in hxh?
>>289364129Kakin rape factory, being Pokkle, the Kurta that had their family members tortured so their eyes would turn red, probably what happened to Sarasa, everyone in Meteor city that was turned into a body horror thing by Zazan.
>>289364181pariston caused this. and THISstill like him??
>>289364113The King of Kakin must be fertile or virile
>>289364228>pariston caused thisExcuse me?
>>289364228you mean sheila. yes i will deadname xer
>>289363590>Air does not having an intrinsic shape. Aura does not have an intrinsic shapeAura doesn't conform to the shape of a container like water or air. If it's shaped like a ball, it's because the user wanted it to be a ball. If it is shaped like a human, it's not because a balloon was involved. This is not a secret anon. Schachmono is a mafia enforcer for the Nostrade family so the majority of his opponents will likely be nenless normies. Using a physical balloon that he isn't even conjuring is the best way to hide his ability from the masses. From their perspective the Nostrade's have a goon squad of a bunch of cloaked fuckers that show up guns and swords blazing to handle a problem. Much like how the dog manipulator's ability would also be invisible to normies because they would simply assume the Nostrade's have really well trained animals. Basho doesn't say that he punched a balloon. He notes he punched aura shaped like a person. It's not that complicated but you are desperate to really make this ability not nen beasts for no reason.
>>289364181>>289364252Sex
>>289364152What happens to Pokkle feels unavoidable, he was a hunter who got in over his head and died similar to Kite, what happens to Momoze just feels pointless
>>289364266There's a theory that he and Beyond caused the chimera incident
I’d bet my entire livelihood that Benjamin will be exposed as a retard for fully trusting Furykov
>>289364113Fuusexo and Sexcho
>>289363300realism>>289364181unrealism
>>289364266Chimera Ant arc was an inside job
>>289364295Momoze is not innocent, her GSB shows her already rotten personality from growing up around palace intrigue and politics, I'm not blaming her for that, but to be Kakin royalty, makes her death just as "Unavoidable" as Pokkle's is. Hell the Chimera ants are such an out of context problem that saying Pokkle was in over his head, is like if I were to say "Well she should have just abdicated the throne and not gone on the black whale. Why didn't she figure out Kakin's history all on her own?"
>>289364312Babimyna can still save Ben
>>289364181I find that as too silly and ridiculous. Reminds me of that scene in Hannibal when he's feeding Ray Liotta his own brain. I felt bad for Pokkle, but he's a man.>>289364218Kakin shit and Kurtas are just text. I don't feel anything for the Meteor City bums being turned into monsters - I wish I could do that. Sarasa was fucked up but we didn't see it happen; we technically don't even know.I'm not talking about a hierarchy of moral depravity, I'm talking about what actually had a gut-wrenching effect on me. Seeing a little girl get strangled in her bed in real time is more visceral than hearing "super very edgy shit happened 5 years ago" - that's just a plot point.
>>289364364I thought her GSB was more of a manifestation of her being neglected by her mother in favor of Maryam, which is why it asks for someone's attention ("Hey, gotta minute?") and attacked room 1014 first (Oito is a caring mother).
>>289364366>>289364352Simps like you are the reason we're in this modern hellscape.
>>289364364Momoze is a kid murherfucker. A kid that was abandoned by her mother for her younger brother. You act normal growing around rapists, perverts, murderers, and a selfish mother
>>289364355That's just old man Netero being a fight fag
>>289364386Yeah but its still murderous in its manifestation. It doesn't have to be see Kacho, Fuugetsu, and Maryam's beasts.
>>289363667Unironically something useless that won't manifest until I'm in the worst possible situation where it won't even matter It'll probably be like a kamikaze that takes someone down with me as a final revenge
>>289364394Exactly, which is why Gyro is completely justified right? Cause he was abused? And everything the Troupe does is fine right? Cause they grew up shit poor. I'm sure you defend Binolt with just as much gusto? He had as much effect on the story as Momoze did. God I'm so sick of you gynoslaves.
>>289364280Its a balloon.Filled.With.Aura.The.Balloon.Is. People.Shaped.Nothing you said takes away from this. I understand its nen inside the balloon. I understand its sneeky. Why don't you get the difference between a puppet and a nen beast????Just because its a sneaky ability, doesn't take away its a balloon filled with aura.There is an in universe difference between puppets and nen beasts. Togashi goes through great lengths to explain his philosophy on puppets. Those guys are LITTERALLY made out of balloons. They aren't summoned. They aren't conjured. They aren't transmuted. Its a literal balloon.A balloon.
>>289363795My ability wouldn't be that useful, it would be very broad and hurt people for seemingly no reason.
>>289364386>of her being neglected by her mother in favor of MaryamIt is, but it also shows that she was basically on her way to becoming another Camilla because she had been indoctrinated into the whole "It's my way or the highway" and "I should be in charge" mindset. The only difference is she was not the favored child of her mother but Camilla was clearly given a lot of leeway with her own upbringing to the point she buys expensive stuff at the drop of a hat and expected her mother to handle the killing of her siblings for her.
>>289364456Is it just like the feeling of pain, or does it actually do the stuff in your folders?
>>289364443Show me a single example of nen changing shape as it's moved from one container to another. It's not water, if nen has a shape it's a conscious and deliberate choice and not some natural property. The balloons aren't moving, they aren't controlled, they aren't even imbued with aura by any visible metric. They are just normal balloons made into the shape of men. The aura has to be intentionally shaped into humanoid figures and that's that.
im strnonger than tserriednich
>>289363667ideally, something manipulation related. realistically, probably something similar to marayam, maybe in a determined radius around me everyone else's nen is disabled. i just wanna chill and be left the fuck alone. i will NOT allow cammy into my room in the late hours of the night
>>289363667If that one kid's dragon is causing the pocket dimension probably something like that, I'm a recluse
>>289364483Here is Netero's aura being blown by the wind, admit you were wrong.
>>289363449>I get to watch Hisoka beat Chrollo black and blue while I watch helplessly and DO NOTHING? >and then watch as he bends him over and fucks his ass with his thick and sticky STRONG NEN penis??? >AND I get to use Blinky to suck up all of the blood and semen leaking from leader's ass when Hisoka is done with him????>YABADABADOO I AM ONE HAPPY SPIDER!!
>there are people still engaging with the Nen Beast schizoBeyond Grim
>>289364540>Beyond GrimWhose this character? Another Beyond baby?
>>289364555Who is this character
>>289363256chat is this real
>>289364577Thats how he funded the galivanting with the Kakin upper class
>>289364529Where's the 2nd container anon?
>>289364400he knew his son was trying to kill him and did nothing to prevent it and died as a direct result. actual terminal fightfaggotry kek. the whole netero bloodline is fucked up
>>289364599Don't try to weasel your way out. His aura is being affected by wind. Not by his own shaping. If it can be affected by the physical, and it can be affected without the users will, it can fill the shape of a balloon.
>>289364483What the hell??? Raw Aura doesn't change shape, it was like the first thing I said. The balloons are human shaped. The aura that pumped inside of them is animating them. Its how manipulation works, you put your aura into something then manipulate your aura which then manipulates that object.What makes this ability emission is the guy pumping his aura into balloons. He is then controlling the balloons through manipulation. He isn't giving the balloons life, or autonomy, or intelligence. They are puppets in the strictest sense and by any loose definition of puppets.
>>289363667I'd want something wispy and cloudlike with tendrils that can reach up to a person's ear and talk to them in a voice so low it doesn't even register to their conscious mind. It would start by saying things like "What am I going to do now?" and "How will I deal with this?" eliciting people to mumble answers to these questions. The core of this creature will have a printer that prints everything people say to it on paper for me to read.The caveat of this ability is that it can talk and listen to people, but it cannot hear normal conversations they have. It depends on its subconscious suggestion effect to gather information. Once the succession war heats up, it shifts to a counterintelligence role, planting false suggestions in people's minds like "Prince X's men are about to invade the area."The main downside is that it doesn't have much physical power to defend me but if my guards are on the ball while everyone else's are being spied on and tricked I have a major advantage. Its tendrils would even be able to reach down to level 2 of the ship and cause problems there (riots, etc.) where no one expects it to provide distractions to the parties fighting on level 1.
>>289364610>Don't try to weasel your way outI'm not. I gave you a specific condition and you haven't fulfilled it yet. If you were a manipulator your ability would not have activated.
>>289364366TRVKE
>>289364627NTA but you clearly lost the argument and are having a hissyfit to avoid admitting you were wrong
>>289364300Seems reasonable enough to me, especially because Kakin hired Kite under an unrelated pretense then set him on the path to find the ants to kick the whole thing off. If Pariston and Beyond wanted to manufacture a crisis for the HA they'd need to get the hunters involved in the first place.
>>289364152Pokkle was a Hunter who knew the consequences and dangers of his profession, he had de freedom to decide what to do with his life. Dying at the hands of the unknown he couldn't foresee was part of the risks he took.Momoze on the other hand, had no freedom to escape or quit from the beginning plus she's a child. Do you really expect people to feel more empathy for an adult man consciously engaging in high-risk activities than for a child?
When will we see Pariston again?
I'll be so annoyed if Camilla survives. She's one of the most low-IQ princes, she's in a terrible position, she's been marked by nen and she's being targeted by Ben directly. It would break my immersion for her to survive just so she can "do something" later. The story should confirm to basic logic, rather than bending logic to fit the story.I also don't get why those Have-Not's support her, when she obviously doesn't have an egalitarian bone in her body. They must be delusional to think she somehow cares about the poor or whatever.It makes no sense. The entire Have-Not faction feels random and unnecessary. They only exist to give a reason for there to be an exorcist on board, but Togashi could have just made up some mafia character to fill that role.
>>289364623Are there two retards that don't understand 11 balloon boys? >Raw Aura doesn't change shapeOk, you aren't retarded yet>Its how manipulation works, you put your aura into something then manipulate your aura which then manipulates that object.Nevermind, you are also dumb. The aura is human shaped and the thing that is moving. The balloons are basically a fake skin put on top of them. Nothing in the text says that the balloons have aura imbued into them, just underneath them. They are inflated which is the visuals the manga provides and the text supports>What makes this ability emission is the guy pumping his aura into balloons. He is then controlling the balloons through manipulation. He is pumping his aura underneath balloons and manipulating that aura. Basho confirms this and logic supports it>He isn't giving the balloons life, or autonomy, or intelligenceYou are so close to understanding this simple ability from a one-off character but you are fumbling it in the next part of the sentence. >>289364657>NTAI severely doubt that. But maybe you can show me aura pouring into a pitcher of water
>>289363861The implication is that Pariston is extra rat-like inside to be normal on the outside.
>>289364627>>289364670I accept your concession
>>289364694Ok. So there ARE two retards. Still waiting for that example. Because that would be the condition for my concession.
>>289364668They support her because she's such a psychotic fuck up that she literally can't get along with anyone other than total social outcasts who throw themselves down at her feet for the opportunity to be something more than trash.There is no other prince who would do that for them. And it has nothing to do with egalitarianism but more like the opposite, Cammy can't fathom the idea that other royals should have any power over her so she prefers to demolish them all while leaving only her worshippers behind.That's something the Have-Nots are more than willing to live with, considering the alternative
>>289364665>Pokkle was a Hunter who knew the consequences and dangers of his professionHe had no way to anticipate the Chimera Ants, expecting that much foresight, even from a pro-hunter, you should logically expect a normal person like Momoze to at least read up on the history of Kakin and realize that only 1 prince ever survives the succession wars. >Momoze on the other hand, had no freedom to escape or quit from the beginning Don't get on the boat, abdicate the throne and your responsibilities, be likable enough that people try to do for you what Melody attempted for Kacho and Fuugetsu, or what Oito's sister did for her. >Do you really expect people to feel more empathy for an adult man consciously engaging in high-risk activities than for a child?How the fuck do you even know he's an adult? He looks younger than Leorio. And yes actually, I would consider being dissected alive and tortured to death worse than being choked to death, even if its the life of a man vs. a child.
Okay, so martial law is in effect. What happens next?
>>289364750>my concessionAlready accepted it anon, its alright, mistakes happen.
>>289363702
>>289364773All hired guards who aren't hunters on tier 1 have been ordered to be executed and i assume they'll go for the princes next
>>289364670No just no, I'm not doing this if there is name calling, no one agrees with you because your theory on nen is much worse then you think, you straight up do not understand emission nor manipulation nor conjuration at a very frustratingly base level You legit have 3 people telling you that you are wrong, and last night you had 5+ people arguing with you, its very wrong of you to name call
>>289364773Most likely Halkenburg is either going to turn into a major antagonist to the rest of the princes, or he dies off. Benjamin is also on his way out either because he fully dies, or because he does reincarnate into his son and becomes a non-threat for the rest of the arc. At least one of the middle princes is going to die as a result of martial law. My money is on Tyson who will get a single showing of her GSB's ability and then be killed off in short order. The status quo of the upper tiers will be fucked up forever. At least Zhang and Luzurus are going to flee to the lower levels. Maybe Luzurus will actually be Halknburg or one of his supporters shot into him. Kurapika, Oito, and Woble's cousin will also likely have to flee into a lower tier and so will Tserriednich. This opens up Morena's crew to actually making good on those 50 points as well as makes things more chaotic. Chrollo also likely infiltrated the upper tiers thanks to Halkenburg's funeral so we're going to be pushing closer to a Troupe vs Hisoka confrontation.
>>289364668She'll live another 48 hours
>>289364810
next week, he gets kekked by CHADhan
>>289364808>no one agrees with youLast thread people were literally saying I was exhibiting basic reading comprehension and that the person replying about the balloons was exhibiting trolling behavior and engaging in bad faith arguments. The only person arguing against the factual and textual implementation of 11 Balloon boys was (you)
>>289364760>>289364823That would makes sense if Halkenburg wasn't an option.I feel like if Have-Not's spent any time with Cammy at all they'd realize they're wasting their time supporting her. I hope your ability targets for followers rather than her enemies, and she ends up manipulating them instead, which accidentally makes their curse hatsu useless as they needed to kill themselves on their own free will. It would be a poetic ending for her character.
What is THAT ability?
>>289363893yes, under her clothes
>>289364871sex change
>people are still fighting over some fucking balloons from a irrelevant dead jobberDamn god I missed hxh so much like you wouldn't believe
>>289364605Would've ended the same way for Hisoka without magic gum. There's comes a point in fightfaggotry where you're just stacking the odds against you and being suicidalIn Neteros case he was at least old as fuck so it made sense to go out with a bang
>>289364491Ben...
>>289364838No one agrees with emitted nen beasts anon
>>289364837His wife will protect him
>>289364668Have-Not mass suicide soon
I've seen enough, send Rihan.
>>289364770>be likable enough that people try to do for you what Melody attempted for Kacho and FuugetsuWouldn't have mattered much. Hanzo was assigned to protect her and got re-assigned by her Mom along with every other non-spy guard in her room.
>>289364817Taithon's weird enough that she'll have something up her sleeve making it possible for her to survive a bit longer. Remember how she said something about "getting past the loss of people through transcendental love?" What if every person who reads her book becomes a potential host for her spirit if she dies? She'd become like a virus spreading everywhere, it would make her ability squarely different from Sale-sale's, too.
>>289364856aren't these Have-Nots MKUltra Faceless Men'd the fuck outi think all they care about is being granted the permission to participate in the contest>>289364904that shading looks too much like chin hair
>>289364898I believe every category can create Nen beasts.
i like balloons
>>289364932Retardobro...
Now that we ALL agree that nen-beasts are conjured and not emitted (included Razor's nen beasts despite him being an expert emitter), can we also all agree that emission is the worst nen catagory? There's nothing you can do with emission that conjuration can't do better. The only thing emission has as an advantage is teleportation abilities, but even then the best teleportation hatsu we've seen in the series is a conjuration technique.
>>289364663Holy shit
>>289364856Halkenburg is the type of liberal who would keep the Have-Nots exactly where they are at while preaching about the importance of preserving Have-Not culture, maybe raising a quota Have-Not member to the government every now and then to feel good about himself.Cammy is the type of retarded Karen who wants to replace the government outright with her Have-Not sycophants.It makes sense they've picked Cammys since she's shown herself to be a woman of action although a retard (they may also see that as beneficial, a dumb person is usually seen as more favorable to the lower castes than a highly educated smart person).
>>289364950Show me an example of a Conjurer re-absorbing their Nen beast for aura.
>>289364958>Halkenburg is the type of liberalhalk is clearly a socialist
>>289364950Conjurers can't do DBZ ki blasts and spirit bombs
The smartest
>>289363667it would probably plant traps for people who come after me
>>289364987Halk's a populist which is represented by his guardian spirit beast powering up all of his supports and his arrows select a person at random among his supporters and himself to soul swap. His own ability gives him just as fair of a chance as anyone else. A man of the people.
>>289364113>>289364331Nencho
>>289365035my hero
>>289365040>THE BEST >THE BEST>THE BEST
>>289364979Potclean, but you will cope around this
>>289364898I see, we're doing this again. *ahem* Razor's clearly emitted nen beasts which were a fractional portion of his aura and could be re-absorbed are clearly emitted and transmuted aura he then controls. There is no evidence or examples of conjuration allowing people to refund aura yet multiple examples of emissions facilitating this concept. I'm not sorry you fell for a bad TL in a series with such complicated phrasing that the best current TLs are made by a fan and not the official translator themselves. There are not 3 people telling me that I'm wrong. There was a single poster who was proven wrong by facts and logic and refused to follow up on the post destroying the basis of their argument. And then like the Hydra, two retards took their place.
>>289364950Emission seems to just be Enhancers that can actually shoot stuffTheir strength is raw power similar to enhancers All Conjuring seems to be fairly weak in terms of raw destruction I think it's fine if you like doing Kamehamehas It's basically THE Dragonball nen
>>289365038Sex with nen beasts
>>289365020Rasputin-like mf
>>289363667Some dumbass ability like Tubeppa's or Zhang Lei's; theoretically useful for after the war, but too restricitive or downright useless during it.
>>289365069No. Potclean does everything you say. Please just stop
>>289365063Knuckle's isn't giving his opponents aura anymore than they are giving him more than the initial strikes. The aura Potclean calculates is imaginary and not literal. Otherwise Knuckle's would have run out of aura against Youpi who had 7x more aura than Morel who also easily dwarfs Knuckle when it comes to total actual aura. Try again.
>>289363667I would just want something that can detect and reflect ill will against me, like something that will let me know if my food is poisoned or if someone will try to kill me in my sleep, and curse or attack whoever did it.If that's too OP then I would want a GSB like God's Accomplice, something that renders completely invisible even to supernatural detection abilities.
>>289365070The dude in the middle of enhancer/emission categories looks like this
>ben will poison cammy and fuck off, he'll be long dead before the cat can kill him he can leave her to die and head to tserri's roomthe only way cammy can survive is by ordering one of her havenots to kill her on purpose, I doubt she'll still be infected if she resurrects
>>289364331Kacho's hand placement seems needlessly low. And Fuu seems oddly flushed.
>>289365131Leorio...
>>289364898Wikitards do. They have brain damage.
>>289364950
>>289365070what restrictions would you put on it to power it up though? i wonder if having to autistically yell Kamehamehaaaaaaa while charging would actually work kek
>>289364950Imo if you have STRONG NEN, emission is the best category. You don't need to do weird things to your nen. You just start blasting people. You get good access to enhancement too. Ideally the most blessed hunters are the ones directly between emission and enhancement. Also you get good En which is a supreme hack. Your life as an emitter is easy, all you have to do is train for making your blast bigger, and train for defense. You can even lightly sprinkle some restrictions on your blast to make it stronger. You don't have to think about it like a conjurers.
>>289363294Cammy is already dead anon...
>>289364577Bonolenov disguised as Benjamin
>>289365161Is what Matiy will do to Hyskoa
>>289365089No, Potclean lends and takes aura, it grows bigger with more aura inside it. None of your obfuscations can change this.
Spidersissies, how much fear does this man invoke in you?
what did shonen jump mean by this?
>>289365077This guy gets it.
>>289365161Who's the Botan of HxH?Who's the Toguro of HxH?
>>289365208palmu ..
>>289365176nani
>>289365197>it grows bigger with more aura inside it.It grows bigger based on imaginary aura it's stored inside itself. If it was actually taking aura from it's target then targets would be spending 2X the amount of aura they have. Youpi was blowing himself up and also accumulating debt, yet the only thing that accelerated his bankruptcy was his own attacks. Stop and think about what the ability is actually doing and what it represents. It's not actually stealing aura back from someone. It's just adjusting the benchmark for what constitutes debt for Knuckle and waiting until either the debt is repayed or enough damage is dealt that is invalidates the ability.
>>289365205sorry bro we dont care about chrollo/hisoka anymore we argue about balloons and potclean the whole thread now
>>289365208Sexo
>>289365163Making all my blasts invisible would probably make me the most op emitter My restriction would have to be Norwood 4 Vegeta hairline forever
>>289365208what's bro doing
>>289365240No. There is literally aura inside of it. Its literally giving and taking aura from people. People who get aura from potclean feel it. There is absolutely nothing metaphorical about it.
>>289365163>i wonder if having to autistically yell Kamehamehaaaaaaa while charging would actually work kekI mean, isn't that what Gon does? And it powers up Jajanken
>>289365208No, Yes, Yes, YesNo, Yes, No, No
Emission is strong. Franklin is the second strongest troupe member. Mereum was the strongest thing ever.
>>289365219
>>289365208Yes, Yes, Yes, YesYes, Yes, Yes, Yes
>>289365020You gotta give him credit: spending 50 years planning, pals around with the king of an empire, turning nen curses into a reliable repeatable weapon, has Pariston genuinely on his side, has been to the DK before and lived, even Ging wants to ride his coattails
>>289365161Gon "using everything* against Pitou was essentially an extreme version of Genkai's Spirit Wave, thinkin' about it.
>>289365266There's no point to arguing this. He's started with the conclusion that emitted nen beasts exist, and uses arbitrary details as "proof" of it, moving on to the next one when debunked. Emitted nen beasts are a religion for wikitards. They believe they know nen better than the author.
>>289365280>puu keychainIf they have YYH merch in the HxH universe, does that mean YYH is canon (as an anime/manga) in HxH?
>>289365208yes, yes, no, nono, no, no, yes
>>289365208I'd take Palm, but seeing her spit out Bizett's jizz was pretty off-putting. You think body count resets after turning into a Chimera Ant? I choose to believe so. If not, Kalluto and Alluka.
>>289365308Yes
cammy pussy
>>289365309Benjamin...
people get bent out of shape arguing about this category and that, when Togashi clearly treats it much more loosely than the fans do
>>289365266>There is literally aura inside of it.Nope. You have to explain why Youpi's only timer is based on how long until he hit his own maximum aura total as opposed to what he actually spent + what would have to be stored inside Hakoware. Since you can't, it's clear that wall Hakoware is doing is demonstrating the size and quantity of the "debt" without actually embodying that total amount. >People who get aura from potclean feel itPeople who get hit by Knuckles feel it as an invigorating sensation. Gon never once comments on how he "feels" better every single time Potclean announces a call. Because no real aura is being transferred in those moments as only imaginary aura is being calculated. If you didn't pick up on this, you need to re-read the relevant parts of the CA arc.
>>289365208Top 8 HxH girls (male)
>>289365321>imagining young Milluki soifacing when he sees Cloud in KH1
>>289365301>He's started with the conclusion that emitted nen beasts existThey factually do. Nobody has disproven Schachmono's ability being emitted nen beasts and balloon cope isn't valid. It's just pretending that the ability works in more convoluted ways for a mid-tier nen user than they were stated by actual characters. And again, it ignores that Razor isn't stated to use conjuration and the mechanics of his devils can only work if they are emitted aura. Same with Goreinu funny enough. Cry some more though. It's funny seeing two retards try and comfort each other about how wrong they are.
>>289365268>>289365309pakusisters... no one wants us...
>>289364950>The only thing emission has as an advantageSweet Home is cooler than any Conjuration ability.
>>289364365It's funny to me whenever Togashi just removes parts of, if not entire, the faces purely for suspense
>>289365321
>>289365372It works really well sometimes.
>>289365301Kek when did this happen? guess it hasn't been until last batch I argued about nen categories. No one said something as silly as emitted nen beast back then. I did look at the wiki yesterday and noticed they refer to Zeno's dragon lance as transmutation now. I looked at potclean and they have *emission *transmutation under now too.I want to talk to people on how they made that decision. Im guessing reddit mods and discords gained power over wiki and corrupted it like they do all wikis
>>289365208I think this says Machi is bestie if you read this in JP order
>>289365337Look before I answer you, tell me:Why don't you just believe what Knuckle says about his ability? He was clearly trying to help Gon. You have no reason to suspect him of lying.
>>289364394Some kids are evil, that the general public doesn't realize and correct this is a cause of a lot of problems.
>>289365405>Why don't you just believe what Knuckle says about his ability?I do. He specifically separates "borrowed aura" from "interest" and tells gon multiple times when he's lending aura and when it's just compounded interest accumulated. The compounded interest is imaginary aura. The actual aura he lends is only transferred when he directly hits his target. This isn't complicated and I now require you to explain why this isn't accurate to the character's explanation and the story at large. I'll wait.
>>289365360Sweet Home is one of the most bro abilities in the series, I love this gaggle of psychopaths
>>289365394YouFake AND gay
>>289365394Western fans have their own set of fanon gospel (see: male Pitou). Emitted nen beasts is one of those. It's very popular on reddit.
>>289365475>Western fans have their own set of fanon gospelAnd things like Razor using conjured goons.
>>289365208They all have penises
>>289365468comfy crew of murderhobos
>>289365475Pitou is male and nen beasts are emitted.
>>289365520Sorry, must have missed the panel showing off Pitou's penis.
>>289365520... on opposite day
>>289365507Genthru and the boys would've fit right in
>>289365537I remember when people didn't understand that countdown is a bomb placed inside of a body and the timer is just a visual aid for the location and timing of the detonation. Seeing people with their bodies exploded in ways that could only be internal explosions is amusing.
>>289365531There's a reason they never use any pronouns for Pitou.
>>289365563brutal scene
>>289365434my hope is renewed when I read posts like this by actually literate hxh readers, feels good man
>>289364670Anon, I need you to explain what the fuck you mean when you say 'shape', because it sounds like you're simultaneously arguing that aura is and isn't shapeless. According to you it's not like water, but it also doesn't have a shape unless given one. You frame these like they're incompatible, but they describe the same thing. Liquids and gases don't have a shape either, their shape is defined by their environment - when contained in a solid with a certain shape, the liquid or gas will conform to that shape. So unless you're saying that unshaped aura doesn't interact with matter at all, I fail to see how 'not having a shape' and 'not being like water' are different in terms of describing the shape of aura.
>>289365301>and uses arbitrary details as "proof" of it, moving on to the next one when debunkedWelcome to the club.Did he already tell you that the spirit nen beasts are "emitted" because they are invisible to nenless people and the princes, or has he not reached that point yet?
>>289365603Passive aggressive smarmy faggots like you belong in plebbit
>>289365579manliest Zoldyck brother
>>289365583>Anon, I need you to explain what the fuck you mean when you say 'shapeI need the person arguing that Schachmono is using some formless aspect of nen to fill balloons. Instead of shaping his aura and having balloons made human shaped beforehand. Given Basho's own statements and basic logic from the series, the latter is the case and not the former. Because nobody can be given a balloon and made to only make a spherical aura construct by filling it. They could make it cross shaped or square because aura doesn't have an innate shape when emitted by a nen user. At best the argument with Netero in those panels is that he wasn't truly initiated to nen and his aura behaved like a gas as is suggested by wing but not shown with any active nen user save people transmuting aura to behave like gases. Morel and Sale-Sale's GSB come to mind.
>>289365567Because they speak in Japanese?
>>289365578This was a reason I could never treat Genthru as a lesser villain. He killed dozens of people at once in a way they couldn't guard against and he'd do it again if it mattered.
>>289365421>>289365161>>289365070>>289364995I wasn't planning to respond to anyone because my post was just bait, but your shitty responses have convinced me that emission might actually be the worst category after all.Nen blasts and DBZ shit is useless in the overwhelming majority of circumstances, and for the vast majority of nen users. It has absolutely no versatility, and it is only viable for nen users with crazy amounts of aura.DBZ attacks are also inferior to ranged manipulation attacks because of the 1 hit KO advantage that manipulation has, If Illumi lands an attack with his needles he can more reliably defeat somebody than an emitter could with a ranged attack. This is in addition to the versatility that his needles provide, and if he misses an attack he can just retrieve his needle instead of wasting all the aura within it.Hunter x Hunter as a series deconstructs the shounen tropes and cliches. So because emission is defined by a cliche shounen blast makes it exist in opposition to the narrative and themes of the series. Ask yourself, what use is a DBZ blast in the Succession War? Or in the York New arc?The whole point of the Kurapika vs Uvo fight was to demonstrate the inferiority of shounen-thinking when it comes to nen. The same is true for Gon's near death when he engaged with a shounen cliche with his pseudo Super Saiyan transformation.Hisoka vs Chrollo - who won? The character that didn't engage in the typical shounen fight-fag mentality. HxH is an anti-shounen shounen. Emission attacks are so stereotypical shounen that they exist in opposition to the will of the author, and won't ever succeed in the face his Togashi's subversion. I mean, Anon's using Meruem 's nen-blast as an example of emission's potential is ridiculous, because that blast did NOTHING to APR. That scenes exists to show that emission blasts are stupid in when compared to more thoughtful techniques.>>28936516599.99% percent of people don't have STRONG NEN though
>>289364950Emission is foundational for many abilities granted to conjured objects to function. Hakoware, Countdown, possibly Blinky depending on what actually happens to the consumed objects, Judgement Chain, I could go on. Any ability that requires some nen power to apply separated from the user or the conjured object besides the conjuring of the object itself requires emission.
I (an emission chad) have two hatsu:>Emission: Allows me to teleport small badges onto anyone I see, but only badges and only onto people>Manipulation and Conjuration: A small badge that controls anyone wearing itBecause manipulation is absolute I whipped that power up in an afternoon
>>289365681>Ask yourself, what use is a DBZ blast in the Succession War?Halkenburg's arrow is emission, dummy.
To be honest, once you learn that emission allows for teleportation, wouldn't everyone go for it? I know that I would if I was an emitter.
>>289365699Im a conjurer and my hatsu is called small pebble.I conjure a completely common normal pebble.The trick is to conjure right up inside a target brain.It uses short range emission. The condition is that you can only use small pebble to kill targets.Because nen is absolute there is nobody that can resist the technique.
>>289365681>Ask yourself, what use is a DBZ blast in the Succession War? Or in the York New arc?It would one-shot all the princes and spiders.
>>289365680Maybe Abengane got the troupe to deal with him in exchange for his services
>>289365733If teleportation and pocket dimensions is the domain of emission...What are the domains of transmutation, enhancement and manipulation?
>>289365733>wouldn't everyone go for itIf they sucked at nen and could only send their fist across a limited space, how many of them would make that trade-off anon? Maybe an emitter would be happier just shooting aura bullets from their fingers.
>>289365699Manipulation is so strong because the nen user can spend their free timing filling an object with aura to power it up until it's unbeatable. A conjured object wouldn't have that prep-time benefit, so using regular badges prepared beforehand would be stronger.>>289365727Halkenburg's arrow is powerful because of it's soul swap ability, not because it's a regular nen blast. If the arrows just killed people it would be a mediocre ability. I'm pretty sure swapping souls should be specialist anyway.
>>289365681Emission lets you create nen beasts.
>>289365681>Hunter x Hunter as a series deconstructs the shounen tropes and clichesI think you are giving it too much credit
>>289365785
>>289365785>emission is conjuraiton but better in every wayDamn. Why did Kurapika want to be an enhancer when emission is the clear god-category? Was he stupid?
>>289365681>>289365796>>289365808Emission is canonically the best nen category.
>>289365830Pigeon crew are nenlets who hyper-focused on the wrong lessons.
>>289365681oh boy, here we go again with more deconstruction nensense.
>>289365681You have low intelligence and a shit imagination if you can’t see what emissions has to offer besides “DBZ blasts”. Emission lets you:>teleport>use En that can’t be detected>snipe your target from a distance>create nen beasts
>>289365845don't forget>punch really hard>change properties of aura>mind control>steal nen abilities
>>289363308god i wish
>>289363300I wish I was her
How does Hisoka fare against each of them?
>>289365434Ok I get it, its some like... playbook to obfuscate Togashi's writing. I googled it and see now everyone thinks Knuckle is emitting his aura now. Instead of Potclean being a mediator storing / lending aura. I don't see why Potclean wouldn't really be Multiplying Aura interest because otherwise its impossible to pay back anything after 1 hit. If someone with 500,000 debt just started beating the shit out of Knuckle, how the heck would Knuckle pay that when he doesn'thave that much aura? Looking at it as Knuckle is sucking / giving people aura through his own body all fight, its weird. Ill sleep on this though. Its a funny concept but kinda stupid to think Potclean just speculates, its so lame, just miserable
Ignoring specialists who can basically do anything, emission is probably the best category to be in, after enhancement. Emitters can teleport shit and do DBZ blasts, and are next to manipulation and enhancement which are both really strong categories on their own.Meanwhile, conjuration is the worst category. You have to gimp yourself with a ton of restrictions and conditions to summon anything worthwhile, and its only direct neighbor is transmutation which isn't that good of a category on its own and also can't really be used with conjuration. Conjurers can't even control their own conjured objects that effectively, since they only have 60% in manipulation.
>>289365790>I think you are giving it too much creditMeruem looks like Cell because he's a deconstruction of the "perfect lifeform" that Cell represents. Gon's adult transformation is a deconstruction of the normal shounen mid-battle powerup. Togashi wanted to deconstruct and destroy his characters in YYH, but the editors didn't let him, which is why he did it in HxH when he had more creative control.Most of the arcs in HxH have deliberately subversive endings:>The final tournament of the Hunter Exams is a reversed knock-out system, and the final stages happen off screen>Gon and his friends go through a training arc to get stronger to rescue Killua, but then the Zolydics just let Killua go without a fight>Gon and Killua ditch Heaven's Arena before reaching the top floors because they're bored>The Chrollo vs Hisoka fight never happens in York New. The entire York New arc ends with diplomacy instead of a fight>Paristan wins the election but then just quitsGreed Island is pretty cliche though, I'll give you that. If it was written like any other arc then Gon wouldn't have won, or Genthru would have been defeated by some other character.But HxH is spiritually a deconstruction of YYH that Togashi wasn't allowed to do during YYH's actual publication.
>>289365899Hisoka would lose to all of them because fate is real in Jojo and it operates on a principle that good will always eventually overcome evil.
>>289365647I don't care about any of that other stuff, because anything related to the discussion of whether or not emitted nen beasts exists can't move forward as long as a basic definition of how aura behaves that you have given is unclear. So I'll ask again: What, according to you, is the shape of untransmuted aura? In other words, how do you believe aura behaves when not acted upon? Because we know that such aura exists, because non-nen users leak it away.Once you've answered that, I have a corollary question (that might be answered by your answer to my previous question, but I'll ask anyway): What do you mean when you say that aura is put 'underneath' the 11 heroes? Do you mean like a hot air balloon, or do you mean that the emitted aura is transmuted into a thin layer propping up the costumes, with a hollow space underneath instead of being filled entirely with aura? Or something else entirely?
>>289363667My nen beast would let me become the little girl>>289365910I wouldn't mind being one, I'd learn to conjure gaming PCs for LAN parties and Asian babes for me and all my friends
>>289365767Transmutation get true transformations. Conjurers get to be Conditonalists. Manipulators get affix-manipulation, very very broad spectrum of manipulation that starts with coercive-manipulation
>>289365845I already specified in my original post (>>289364950) that nen beasts are conjuration and emission is trash other than teleportation.Other nen types can also attack from a distance, and specialization offers superior intel gathering abilities than emission does with en.
guys how do I find the leak threads for chapy 351~361..?? I'm retarded pls healp
>>289365639Why are you mad faggot? I'm telling the truth.Here have funhttps://desuarchive.org/_/search/boards/a.desu.meta/text/Emitted%20nen%20beasts/page/5/
I haven't used these threads in a few years(ended up being right about all longterm arguments btw, ie Morena not randomly dying in 10 chapters to power up her followers)What's the terrible nen argument of the day about this time
Today, I will remind them.
>>289365934Transformation is conjuration.
>>289365910please please please make me an emitter chad...
>>289365579cockmogged by alluka btw
>>289365902>its some like... playbook to obfuscate Togashi's writingIt's not track runner>I don't see why Potclean wouldn't really be Multiplying Aura interestBecause it would be requiring Knuckle to be supplying more aura than he has, or vice versa with is opponents. >If someone with 500,000 debt just started beating the shit out of Knuckle, how the heck would Knuckle pay that when he doesn'thave that much aura?he wouldn't because he doesn't have that much aura. He is a nice guy but he's also a practical guy, he wants to hide in the shadows and let his opponents rack up a lot of debt with his power. He's not compelled to keep slugging it out and he acts on it. >>289365930>because anything related to the discussion of whether or not emitted nen beasts exists can't move forwardIt won't move forward as long as people pretend that balloons were being controlled instead of the clearly transmuted aura. Everything else you wrote is just a cover to the real point and actual facts being presented.
>>289365965it's not all about just size... damnit
>>289364914Did he ever find his body lol?
>>289365579>>289365641Kalluto is a cute and special boy, he's too shy to ask for his brother's attention.
>>289365959Emission vs conjuration, specifically if nen beasts are emitted or conjured.The STRONG NEN debate was settled and the STRONG NEN fags won, so we need to find something else to argue about.
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>>289365681>The whole point of the Kurapika vs Uvo fight was to demonstrate the inferiority of shounen-thinking when it comes to nen.It really doesn't.Uvo is still a monster in his own right. Kurapika won through stacking as much hax as possible.>ability that is only effective on Spiders>ability needs to actively wreck Kurapika's health to be as strong as it could>chains need to enforce hatsuHxH features both simplistic and complex abilities and doesn't really put one over the other. Hisoka's power is simple but he's one of the most versatile fighters in the series. Kurapika has a very complex power but the whole "Emperor Time gives you cancer" thing makes it kind of bad.
>>289365968>he wouldn't because he doesn't have that much aura.Yes Knuckle doesn't have that much aura. So if someone with 500k debt just started beating the shit out of him, the conditions of his nen break unless Potclean is literally storing 500k aura inside of him. That pretty much proves Potclean is storing Aura but I see the playbook accounts for this in a slime way so they can keep misunderstanding Knuckle's ability
>>289365205Crazy! What kind of Nen is that? Does it have any special properties?!
>>289365961No its 50/50 transmutation and conjuration. True transformations are permanent transformations like Biscuit and Worm
>>289365910>conjuration is the worst category.That would be transmuters
>>289365968Alright, I'll repeat it once more - I don't care about the balloons until you've clearly established what, according to you, raw aura is shaped like and how it behaves. This appears to be foundational to your entire argument, so this really shouldn't be a big ask. I just want clarification on what you mean - I haven't even picked a side in this discussion yet because I don't fully understand what your position even is, or rather why you have taken the position you have.
>>289366005>Yes Knuckle doesn't have that much aura. So if someone with 500k debt just started beating the shit out of him, the conditions of his nen break unless Potclean is literally storing 500k aura inside of him.You are so dumb you contradicted yourself and didn't realize it. If Knuckle's doesn't have enough aura he should be in debt himself. Yet he isn't because obviously the only numbers that matter are the actual aura he lends someone, and the imaginary aura calculated by his ability. 500k aura isn't "literally" being stored. It's just Knuckles AAP and the imaginary aura on top of it. If Knuckle can be owed the full amount, he has to have the correct "collateral" on his side. Otherwise it's appropriately a scam despite how nice he is with "imaginary" aura on top of the real amounts he gives.
>>289366014Tsubone's transformation is conjuration. Bonolenov's transformation is conjuration. Bisky's transformation is unknown (likely specialist).
>>289365993special?
>>289366032>Alright, I'll repeat it once moreMy terms have been on the table and I won't accept any deflections or divergences until you answer them. nothing after this point in your post will be acknowledged until my point is.
>>289365997At least alive
>>289366046Ben soon
>>289366033No, you don't understand and are retarded. A real attack is being negated, to negate a real attack you need aura
>>289366078???
>>289366078>A real attack is being negated, to negate a real attack you need auraAgain if you are correct Knuckle's would have needed an equal amount of aura to Youpi. Yet he is canonically has vastly less aura but can keep up with the totals for some reason. Either he has two different aura values calculated (real and imaginary) or he would have had to be able to match Youpi's aura amounts by the end. Pick one and only one. Or explain why your third option makes any sense.
>>289365790>>289365913>I think you are giving it too much creditSaying something deconstructs a genre is not a praise nor critique, it's simply an observation.If not for the entire series, at the very least the CA arc is a subversion and deconstruction of "battle shonen".At the fundamental level, what are the values that govern what we know as "battle shonen"?"Friendship. Effort. Victory." - that's Shonen Jump's motto since its early days.Now let's see how that applies to the Chimera Ants arc:>Friendship:Gon only damages his friendship with Killua.>Effort:Gon's win against Pitou comes not through effort, but by getting instant power in exchange for his future.>Victory:The chapter where he has his "victory" against Pitou is literally titled "Loss".They also don't achieve "victory" against the Chimera Ants through friendship nor effort, but by using a mass produced nuke.In any regular shonen, Gon would've "avenged Netero" by defeating Meruem, getting a friendship boost along the way.
>>289366103The ability generates aura. It has to be real, because youpi's blast has to be negated with real aura.
>>289366037>my conjuration examples: good>your transmutation examples: bad Why do you unironically have to be this way? Biscuit has been a transmuter for 30 years, how can you possibly call her a specialist
>>289366103No anon. You are completely ignoring the fact that Potclean is generating real aura. Its a much simpler explanation than the half explanation you provided just then
>>289366118She doesn't know how her transformation works. If it was normal transmutation she would have said so. She is literally the best transmuter alive
>>289365938Nen beasts are emitted, emitters are the best at long range attacks, and why waste a whole ability on info gathering when en is enough? Emission is the best.
>>289366114>It has to be real, because youpi's blast has to be negated with real aura.Why does it have to be real? Where does Knuckles not state that interest isn't imaginary and must be equivalent to actual aura manifested from nowhere? Even enhancers like Gon aren't regularly making aura from nowhere, they are just putting more aura they already have into an attack compared to normal.
>>289365208Pitou (girl) sex
Togashi won't just kill camilla and tserriednich off next chapter right?
>>289366138>Even enhancers like Gon aren't regularly making aura from nowhere-ACKVows and restrictions multiply aura.Knuckle has an ability which lets him multiply its aura output exponentially.
>>289366005I think you're conflating the amount of aura actually lent by Knuckle and repaid by his target with the total size of the debt. If I borrow 100k from the bank at 10% yearly interest (non-commutative to make the math easier) and repay them 5k per year, then after five years the debt will be 125k. I still have 75k more cash then before I borrowed the money, and the bank is still down the same amount. The 50k difference between that concrete amount and the total debt is virtual - I have to give it to the bank eventually, but I still have those assets myself. It is not until I go bankrupt - when IRS activates - that money/aura changes hands outside of the direct lending and repayment exchanges.For APR to be storing aura wouldn't make sense because that's not how the concept the ability is based on works. It'd also require constant withdrawals from APR's stock to keep combat going, which would paradoxically include repayments. So then missed attacks that expend the same amount of aura would not impact APRs counter while attacks that hit would, even if the same amount of aura is withdrawn from APR? That doesn't make sense, unless APR is generating aura on its own for some reason.As Knuckle said, it's just a counter, it doesn't do anything else until the condition of its count exceeding your total aura is met, at which point it becomes IRS. Storing aura in any capacity is pointless overcomplication that doesn't track with either the ability's inspiration, how it's explained and shown to function and with basic logic.
>>289366133Anon listen to yourself, why wouldn't she just say its specialization then if she knows everything? Do you know more about Nen then Biscuit? You have a complete double standard on your opinions
>>289365995Conjured objects getting the confirmed ability to make their vision selective to the point that it can basically function as traditional aura was a big swing towards most of it looking like it's conjured. I think Razor's power would make more sense if he was just moving globs of aura around similarly to Shachmono, but at this point it's up to Togashi's whims. Bill does say that MOST parasites are conjuration-based, and I think you could extend that logic to nen constructs in general.Zakuro is also being forgotten here. There's no real signs of Conjuration going on when he uses his ability yet he can make anthropomorphized blood droplets that can be smushed into normal blood again before the nen reassembles them. In this instance it's primarily Manipulation coding applied to a real object that creates a "nen beast," and Emission is only needed for the distance/communication. So I'd say there are more than two ways to label "nen beasts" as a broad category, even if to my memory it's only been Conjuration/Specialization used in reference to what the manga confirms is a nen beast by Togashi's own standards.>The STRONG NEN debate was settled and the STRONG NEN fags won, so we need to find something else to argue about.STRONG NEN?!!
>>289366163She doesn't know how it works. It was was likely unconscious specialization, like Morena explained. Specialists can accidentally become other nen types.
>>289366164Damn Hisoka changed a lot since the last time I saw him
>>289366156>Vows and restrictions multiply aura.Gon-san isn't a normal instance of enhancement anon. That's why I worded it specifically since someone like Uvo or Phinks aren't exceeding their aura amounts with their abilities. Even Gon's ja-janken is just letting him output more aura than normal while still being capped by his total limit. If knuckles's was balancing his books he would logically have to have EQUAL amounts of aura to his target at any given time. He factually does not, why is this the case?
>>289366159Anon, do you think money is fake?
50% of this thread is the Nen Beast Schizo samefagging. He even did the classic schizo shtick of linking an archive of him making the exact same post years ago.
Potclean stores real aura. Saying he stores fake aura that behaves just like real one but only when deposited/withdrawn is utterly asinine. Why are you even arguing this?
>>289366045I mean, I haven't taken a position or made any arguments, so there's nothing for me to deflect. I'm a different anon, in case me replying to the same post the anon you were arguing with had already replied to didn't make that clear.But sure, if that's what I need to do to get answers - yes, I agree that the 11 heroes use transmuted aura. Putting that particular ability aside now, can you finally clarify how you believe raw aura that isn't being transmuted behaves?
>>289366037No reason to assume it's Specialization, especially if she just refers to herself as a Transmuter. Bisky doesn't swap out parts of her body in an instant like Tsubone, Hinrigh, Padaille, etc. - she is physically morphing. This matches the self-modification typical of Manipulators(Illumi, Zazan, Pouf). Which would make the ability based on her worse category, but her slowly adapting a form that is functionally a nerf to her over the course of years seems feasible for a nen master. Doing the same thing for a functionally superior form would've been a different matter.
>>289366226>I mean, I haven't taken a position or made any argumentsSo why are you adamantly requiring a response to a discussion between two people with clear sides and arguments? Either make a point or piss off. My side is clear, the other side is clear. You can't just interject yourself and expect someone else to defend or refute a nebulous argument with no side or borders.
>>289366226Not that anon, but raw aura is a kind of misty thing, like what came off Wobble.
>>289366148yes
>>289366114>Youpi's blast has to be negated with real auraIt's not negated, part of it is converted into beneficial aura given to Knuckle as repayment. APR doesn't negate anything, because the aura goes straight to Knuckle and APR's counter decreases proportionally. Why would Knuckle's attacks lending aura confer a surge of energy on the target like Gon noted explicitly while repayments don't do the same for Knuckle?
Nen beasts are emitted. The proof is that Neon can’t see her nen beast.
>>289366277Potclean literally negates damage.Honestly at this point I feel like I'm getting trolled.
>>289366159Look, I semi agree but the concept of Potclean being a speculative abstract bank breaks down with extremely large numbers. I will have to think about the epistemology of it. Is it simpler to think Potclean is storing and multiplying nen, or is it simpler to think Potclean just makes it so two people fighting eachother cannot* hurt eachother? To me the first one makes more sense. *in a normative sense
>>289366201I think it's very real, which is why I think it doesn't appear out of thin air when a number called 'debt' increases due to some words written in a contract. If my debt increases I need to repay it using assets outside of the original loan, assets I already possessed. The debt exists as long as I, and not the bank, am in possession of those assets. That is how a debt works. Value is not created, only moved around as dictated by the contract defining the debt.
>>289366219I haven't been following the conversation, but the ability starts at a one-to-one ratio to stop the amount of aura Knuckle hit the target with, and that aura is sent to the target rather than anything else. As time extends, the payoff for that loan increases. Hakoware only needs to be a visual indicator with the ability to prevent X value of nen damage.
>>289366300>Is it simpler to think Potclean is storing and multiplying nenNTA but no. Otherwise it would have to be taking enough aura from Knuckle to match every opponent. And this would have to contradict his fight with Gon and Youpi where the latter has way more aura than Knuckle did. Logically the only things that matter are transfers between Knuckle and his target. And whether this number matches the number calculated by Potclean which is stated to just be interest.
>>289366138Kek this is two nights in a row you got totally demolished
>>289366334>this is two nights in a rowI'm not your projection and I don't lurk these threads 24/7. I made points and you can address them directly
>>289366330It generates aura. In all aspects that matter the aura that Potclean has in the bank is real. It can be used to negate real attacks.
>>289366279Her nen beast is specialist.Cookie-chan? Transmuted nen beastKastro's clone? He says is conjured but actually it's an enhancer nen construct
What happens if Benjamin gets a soldier to shoot Camilla and afterwards shoot the soldier before he get killed by camilla's curse?
>>289366361>It generates auraWhere is the proof? Prove that interest is the same as real aura because Gon only feels something when directly hit by Knuckle and not every other time the interest is called. > In all aspects that matter the aura that Potclean has in the bank is real.Calculated aura for an effect does not have to be real. This is your problem>It can be used to negate real attacks.So Knuckle's had equal amounts of aura to what Youpi had spent for his ability? This is the critical flaw in your argument and you will not address it and instead insist that Gon vs Knuckle is the only thing that matters.
>>289366279>The proof is that Neon can’t see her nen beastGood point, actually!
>>289366156It's crazy how broken chimeras at Nen as a species. I wonder if it's possible to Conjure something like Omnitrix and just turn into Royal Guards/King for training and combat?.
>>289366330Yes I hope you are NTA because you don't understand what storing and multiplying nen means while the other guy did
>>289366226I think looking at Nen Awakening can teach us about how raw aura behaves. After opening one's nen pores, but before learning Ten, aura's wont is to flow out, up, and away. It's been compared to steam.I think it's sensible reasoning that a quantity of aura that's isolated and under no influence would simply disperse, flowing outwards and up.wind? weather? idknta btw
>>289366038Yes he's the only character that makes me want to gently pinch his cheek, that's special
>>289366394not as broken as kakin royalty
>>289366396>and multiplying nenWaiting for proof that potclean is multiplying nen.
I just reread the chapter where Halkenburg dies (404) and it's a good chapter. It has such great pacing and such great art, It's interesting that it's in this chapter that Benjamin gets poisoned, and it makes me wonder if any of the other panels have secret significance, >Ben panel>Sitting next to FurykovWe now know he's being poisoned by Furykov.>Cammy panel>She's lounging and being pampered while the elderly Have-Not is giving orders in the background. Foreshadowing of some sort? That old lady is the mastermind of Cammy's faction?>Zhang panel>He's contemplating his coin. No potential twists here.>Tse panel>He has his hair up in a bun, exactly like Netero. Probably a red herring.>Tubeppa>She's looking at her computer. I got nothing.>Tyson>Singing with her book on a pedestal while her guards cheer. The singing makes me think this is foreshadowing for the next banquet. Holy shit, I just had a 5000 IQ Jimmy Neutron brain blast. We know that reading Tyson's book is the condition to be manipulated by her GSB. We also know that she steals lyrics from famous songs for her book. If somebody sings one of those songs at the next banquet it might actually meet the condition of reading her book aloud, therefore putting hundreds of people listening under the effect of her GSB. I'm actually a genius. I haven't heard anyone predict this. Suck my dick.>Luzurus panel>Basho is contemplating something while Rhys the guard looks on in the background. We know Rhys is secretly possessed by a Halkenbro, so this is obviously foreshadowing that eventual twist.>Fuugetsu panel>A ghostly Kacho watches over a sleeping FuuFuugetsu looks dead in this panel. Could it be foreshadowing that GSB-Kacho might actually outlive Fuugetsu? If Benjamin's GSB can keep going after Ben is killed, then perhaps the Kacho GSB can continue as well?I'm not sure how that would work though.Continued in next post.
>>289366391- Knuckle gives 10 aura.- Interest multiplies it to 10,000- The interest can be used to negate an attack worth 10,000Ergo, the aura created from interest is real. This is not complicated. If you still don't get it I'll assume you're a troll.
>>289366414>>Zhang panel>He's contemplating his coin.>No potential twists here.That's what IQlets think...
Best couple everThey could have had a great romance and sex
>>289366420>Ergo, the aura created from interest is realSo Knuckles has aura greater than his own nen master who he admits he didn't surpass? Nope, so the only logical answer is that interest is imaginary just like real life interest is just real life fabricated amounts added on top of real amounts. Or do you think you actually went into debt with a bank purely because of real money you spent
>>289366414>Marayam panel>Marayam is standing on top of a model city while being held by his mother, with Biscuit to the side and a random servant in the backCould be foreshadowing that Marayam eventually wins the Succession War. Him being held by his mom has some significance, as she obviously sacrificed her daughter as part of a plot to benefit Marayam. Also, that random servant was invited to the new rounds of Nen classes, so she might somehow become important later.>Wobble panelThere's nothing in that panel that might indicate Wobble is fake, so I doubt it means anything.
>>289366407I doubt even current Tserri, the most talented of them, can even scratch newborn Meruem.
>>289366414>we know rice is secretly possessedexplain yourself
>>289366445meruem is like the apex of the entire race though, but would still get low diffed by don the freak freecs
>>289366392>>289366279I agree that Neon's is probably transmuted(not emitted) and similar to Musse's first owl which is seen merged with his aura, but I forget. Is it confirmed that Neon can't see it or is that just an assumption?
I like the "Ging's ability is a support/team based one" theory. He always talks about the friends he made through work, there's Greed Island and then how he wanted to be friends with the expedition group at all costs.
>>289366438Potclean stores the aura anon to Knuckle
>>289366240I have made a point now, as you requested of me - I agreed that the 11 heroes use transmutation to shape aura into human form. The issue is that accepting this does not answer my question about raw aura. You say that your position is clear, but it isn't - hence my question. I have accepted that transmutation is used, what I am not fully following is a step in your reasoning process that made you arrive at that conclusion. A simple clarification is all I am asking for, but for some reason you keep treating me as if I'm attacking you even though I'm agreeing with you.Now, someone less patient than me might be tempted to infer that your continued refusal to answer a simple question is actually deliberate obfuscation, a ploy to hide the fact that your arguments are flimsy and nonsensical. As I'm sure you would agree, that is preposterous, because you are correct and have very good reasons for believing the things you do, and you have thus far not been shy in sharing this with the class. So I'm sure you'll agree that even if you do believe I'm feigning stupidity only to stab you in the back later, that given all I've said here, it would be extremely simple to discredit me utterly and completely - in that hypothetical scenario, of course. After all, all you need to do to accomplish that is to answer the question, and as we both know the answer to that question makes total sense, and it'd even take you less effort than it would to continue skirting around it. So... let's hear it.
>>289366477Anon, that was a shitpost. This very arc features conjured nen beasts that are invisible to their users.
>>289366489>I agreed that the 11 heroes use transmutation to shape aura into human formI have nothing else to say to you or the original anon who apparently died an hour ago then.
>>289366489NTA but you talk like a HxH character which I find funny
>>289366499
>>289366489>I have made a point now, as you requested of me - I agreed that the 11 heroes use transmutation to shape aura into human formIts a balloon anon. The balloon is shaped like people.Why don't people understand this dear lord
>>289366407Zazan alone can easily clear the entire kakin gauntlet minus Camilla.
>>289366463We Don't really know that.
>>289366490kek
>>289366515The aura is still transmuted, though. Pure aura is not solid and cannot fill balloons.
>>289366489I can't believe Rohan posts here...
>>289366515>Its a balloon anonwhy would aura become human shaped because of a balloon?
>>289366534Yes it can, we see aura fill a balloon.
>>289366547Pure aura? When?
>>289366545The aura doesn't become human shaped. It fills the human shaped balloon.
>>289366521In one week Tser is already closing in on Squad leader level.Give him a couple of more weeks and he's royal guard level
>>289366555Just loon for the page the gut dies to the trope. He takes out human shaped balloons then fills them with aura to inflate them
>>289365948https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/140450577/#140450577it's been exactly 10 years..
>>289366557>The aura doesn't become human shapedHow does this work exactly? Can you give a comparative example from another ability?
>>289366490I mean beyond the shitposting, since it obviously isn't conjured, do we know if Neon can see it or not or is it just a guess either way?
>>289366458Remember when Halkenburg had this guy commit suicide outside of Luzurus's room?As this was happening, there was a rumbling, indicating that Halkenburg was preparing to use his ability.The suicide was just a ploy to position somebody by the door, and the gunshot was a signal to Halkenburg that a target had answered the intercom. Halkenburg is in the next room over, and he fired his arrow through the wall, hitting Rhys. The rumbling stops, and Rhys is possessed and falls over (like everyone else we've seen be possessed). The Halkenbro pretends that he fell because he's just shocked at seeing the suicide. There were no nen users in the room, which is why we don't see the arrow fly through the wall.Later in that same chapter Kuripika speculates that Halkenburg's emission attack can "penetrate physical barriers".Halkenburg later uses the exact same strategy to posses Balsamilco.
>>289366481Yeah, the fact that he doesn't hesitate to subordinate himself via the mercenary bank system to make sure everyone's on board with and accepts him as being 'in' definitely places it, in my eyes, as the most plausible theory for Ging's hatsu, or a rather a condition of it.
>>289366521Air Blow victim
>>289366580Are you assuming pure aura behaves like gas? I assume it's more like mist. We've never seen it behave like gas.
>>289366589Numerous examples of aura being blown by wind.
>>289366592I am so waiting for the payoff to the Rice possession plotline>>289366610The wind makes aura human shaped? Please post this example so I can get on my knees and pleasure you.
>>289366607No, I'm assuming its a thing that can fill a balloon because we watch a guy fill a balloon with it
>>289366592Basho, a nen user, would very plainly see a hyper potent nen arrow piercing the wall.I fail to see how this theory has legs
>>289366565>In one week Tser is already closing in on Squad leader levelEmbarassing cope. Tserri doesn't have any decent offensive option that can even scratch a decent squadron leader. He still has a long way to go before he becomes a competent threat.
Machi chapter this batch trust the plan
>>289366622That doesn't tell it's un-transmuted, though. I don't think pure aura can fill balloons.
>>289366494Wait, I thought you had very sound logic to back up that conclusion. And as established, even if I'm being hostile through polite subterfuge simply giving said argument would destroy my position instantly. So it's a win for you either way - if I'm opposed it'll destroy my position, and if I'm not it'll cement me as your ally.Unless, of course, my assumption that your argument was actually sound was mistaken? I'm afraid I'll have no choice but to conclude so if you're unwilling to supply it, or give me an alternative explanation for your refusal to do so.
>>289366628That's only because he hasn't focused on developing an offensive option yet. Defense first. Soon enough he'll be untouchable + capable of one shotting anybody. Along with having multiple men beasts and probably his bro Benjamin as Ben deity protecting him along with all the power he gains from the ritual
>>289366627Basho isn't in the room when it happens. He and Luzurus and in a separate room and only enter after the rumbling has stopped.Look at the attached pic, you can actually see Basho entering from another room. He wouldn't have seen the arrow. There are no nen users present for the suicide.I'm 100% confident that this theory is correct.
>>289366605Sad to hear that about your mom.
>>289366649Did I just fulfill a condition for a nen curse by reading this?
>>289365681>The whole point of the Kurapika vs Uvo fight was to demonstrate the inferiority of shounen-thinking when it comes to nen. The same is true for Gon's near death when he engaged with a shounen cliche with his pseudo Super Saiyan transformation.That's wrong. Uvogin is a generalist who would wipe 90% of enemies without breaking a sweat, basically the peak of a straightforward enhancer brawler. The reason Kurapika was able to beat him was because:A. He happened to be lucky enough to be a specialist, meaning he could circumvent category efficiency issues to some extentB. He was so obsessed with the troupe that he tailored his hatsu to counter twelve individuals out of the millions out there.In a way, Gon's near death is just a more extreme version of what Kurapika did; sacrificing your potential to fuck up someone you really hate.
Pure nen is fart gas? So pic related was Wobble farting up a giant cloud? Does it stink?
>>289366627>Basho, a nen user, would very plainly see a hyper potent nen arrow piercing the wall.Basho was in another room. He can't see through walls or anything so this doesn't make sense. >>289366649>Wait, I thoughtI thought it was clear I'm not responding to your points because you aren't the anon I was discussing things with. No, this isn't a concession of any kind. It's just me not being willing to entertain someone trying to third party because they want an unrelated argument to be a new point. Schachmono is transmuting his emitted aura into a humanoid shape. Nothing else matters to this argument.
>>289366658Yes then he's not squadron leader tier YET. He will probably reach that level soon but right now he's not even strong enough to beat Benjamin. We still don't know what the other nen beast he created does, very likely that's his offensive ability.
>>289366660I'm 50/50 with you, that was a nice catch tho.
>>289366707I said he's closing. Let's not forget that Cheetus punk ass was a squadron leader. Along with some fat penguin.Tser would smoke them as soon as he possesses an offensive hatsu.
>>289366635>*watches guy fill balloon with nen*>*guy tells you he is an emitter who fills balloons with nen*>he's transmuting :^)
>>289366707The other beast is part of his ability. He sees the future through its eyes. It's like he swaps his POV to it. I doubt it has any other ability, it just looks menacing and that's it.
>>289365796That very page says that conjured objects are visible, in contrast to (non-conjured) beasts.
>>289366690>Schachmono is transmuting his emitted aura into a humanoid shape. Nothing else matters to this argument.I agree! That is, after all, the thing you are extremely correct about. That's why I'm certain that you have no reasonable qualms giving the very correct reason why this is the case. Right?
>>289366754>I can't read the post
What am I supposed to do as a dumb conjurer? Can I conjure a big stick to hit real hard? >condition is that it's a stick (not a gun)
>>289366813as kurapika's teacher said, you conjure stuff you can't normally acquireconjuring something you can buy at a shop is pointless
>>289366813You conjure a nen beast and make it good enough to protect your sorry ass.
>>289366813you should at least make it a stick that can change size and shape or something
>>289366628Combative GSB's already clear most/all SLs. The focus on Tse himself mastering nen is hyper-focused on by people who miss the fact that his massive aura pools passively fuel a rapehorse that can materialize/dematerialize at will and phase through structures. You won't be handling Tse alone trying to trick you with an alternate reality, that will be happening as a GSB is attacking you. As is Tse should already clear most known elite nen users in the series.Tse, Ben, Camilla, and Halk clear the sub-RG Ants. Halk's raw aura in a group is likely around/above Royal Guard and his arrow can handle any ant period. The other princes are more variable. Luzurus might get cheeky wins but the lethality of his GSB as an actual creature is unknown. Zhang and Tyson have the signs of strong payoff but no actual showings. The younger princes are all highly variable, though as of now they present no real danger. Tubeppa is garbage.All of this is with the caveat that these are mid-ceremony GSB. Nasubi is a victor and potentially several times above what the high tier princes have shown off in one fashion or another.
So we do all agree that Uvogin jobbed merely because Togashi wanted to show what Nen battles looked like right? No way someone like him would be that retarded and survive that long otherwise.
Benjamin JUST shit his pants. Again.
Reminder that even Kurapika wanted to be an Enhancer Chad
>>289366813You can conjure objects that have 100s of conditions attached to them to the point they act as Metaphysical Truth Oracles
>>289366813Turn your hands into weapons.Also I don't think Shizuku is actually stupid, but she can be air-headed and has a very powerful ability that in part benefits from her oversights/personal outlook(Blinky can absorb blood as she doesn't consider that living).
>>289366888>Turn your hands into weapons.That didn't work well for that dude who jobbed to pidgeons.
>>289366870behold
>>289366851>You conjure a nen beastUm, surely you mean you *emit* a nen beast. Because balloons are transmuted or some shit. Duh.
>>289366897That guy is retarded but also probably stronger than Uvogin
>>289366893lmao
>>289366888>Turn your hands into weapons.Bro, Hinrigh is gonna make fun of him...
>>289366870He can get away with it in most cases and is obviously just that kind of guy. He would've died to the Shadow Beasts if Rabid Dog used a different poison - or at least the PT would've had to intervene sooner - all because of him fucking around
>>289366911If Kanzai achieves a homerun he becomes a top 5 nen user
>>289366851Conjure a punch ghost that punches enemies for you.
>>289366911speed blitz king
If I were a Nen user I think I would be way too retarded to have anything but Enhancement or Emission. But then again the Morena group of retards have Conjurers and stuff so maybe I would be some viscid Manipulator/Conjurer
>>289366941just be one of those guys who conjures a gun
>>289366911Only if he has an ability that's more than "just punch harder".
>>289366954I'll call my nen ability The Emperor
>>289366982might get the drop on someone who thinks you've only got 6 shots but in fact you can fire infinite bullets
>>289366941I think conjurer and maybe transmuter are the only standard categories where you have to think a bit to not let your hatsu be dogshitEven for manipulator you can just fallback to the standard "stick a needle in someone and you control them", 0 thought process required
>>289366813Conjuration is just the Stand nen catagory.Think of a cool Jojo power and then make that your ability. If you don't want a nen-beast then just make an object-type Stand, like Hol Horse's Emperor.
>>289366978He has all the stereotypical signs of an Emitter. Add to that the baseball schtick and you can get an idea of what he does. Though beating people to death with a baseball bat is probably not off the table for him either.
>>289366982>>289366935Conjurer is truly the a JoJo fan's dream category
>>289366690>>289366660Granted, not in the room, my mistake.In previous panels a servant(?) can be seen beginning to creak the door open, so I still feel Basho might've had Rice in his Line of Sight, but I'll put that aside for now.Since Basho and Rice are separated by a single barrier, and since Halk's 'Boy with Arrow', or more specifically his GSB is stated to reach "the highest level among nen abilities" in ch.375, I'd expect that arrow the itself is no more subtle than the group aura rumble. If that were the case I'd expect the arrow's presence in the room, as it strikes Rice, to be so dominating, so obvious and unmistakably potent with nen, that Basho would then have zero doubt a nen attack occurred in that very room.But I'll admit for now I can't be quite certain, it may indeed be that the arrow itself is significantly more subtle in presence in comparison to the group rumble.I can see why this theory has appeal.
>>289366779That's what it says. It's obvious from the English but you can look at the moonrunes yourself:>具現化･･･つまりぶらしつ より通常の物質の様なものでにんげん 普通の人間にも視えている>Conjuration… in other words, something like an ordinary physical substance—something that can be seen even by normal people.>たとえば具現化して 普通の人間でも 視える状態の蛇は 見つかるリスクが 高まるだろう?>For instance, if the snake is conjured, visible to even ordinary people, the risk of being discovered would increase?
>>289365142Knov in emission is really strange to me, as a personality he seems to be a conjurer, Knuckle is the reverse he seems to be an emitter.
>>289367049The personality types were just Hisoka making shit up
>>289367011A gun that never runs out of bullets and can be made invisible does sound really useful for an assassin, but probably not very good if you're fighting another nen user, unless your bullets pack a lot more of a punch than a real guns'
>>289367049Togashi did a bad retcon in regards to Knov and Knuckle.When the CA arcs was being written, Knov was a Conjurer and Knuckle was an Emitter.
>>289367070I mean at that point you could give your bullets some powers, they are conjured bulleoafter all
>>289367072This is probably the most insane Conjurer ability yet. Knov is a scaredy cat bitch but this ability is just fucking ridiculous
>>289367017Everyone's got these cool complex abilities requiring intense planning and flawless execution. meanwhile the Zodiacs are out there beating the fuck out of people with a bat and a stick
Did Transmutation peak with Bungee Gum? I seriously doubt there's ever going to be another pure Transmutation ability that's just as ingenious and effective.
>>289367094He lied there btw Which is funny considering how the ability he described fits monkey so well, so no idea what could be. Maybe it isn't monkey-themed at all and he's a fraud
>>289367072Yeah seems like a retcon, Knuckle ability seems emitted, with givin aura to others and all. While creating a whole extradimensional room where normal people can go seems conjuration.
>>289367100>Did Transmutation peak with Bungee Gum?Pretty much. Hisoka is a boss-class character and, as such, gets a boss-class ability.The only one I can imagine with a stronger Transmutation ability would be Pariston, if he's one (and he should be).
>>289367100Killua's is also extremely stupid. I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually starts doing shit like Misaka Mikoto in Index by manipulating atoms and shit with electricity
>>289367122nah he wasn't lying
>>289367122kurapika literally says Saiyu's ability description is the one time where he's NOT lying
>>289367146>>289367144Oh, I forgot about it, my bad.
>>289367015Whatever you end up doing still gets funneled through typings. Elaborate constructs also probably require more brainpower(compare Rihan to Padaille)
>>289367160He would've low diffed uvo
>>289367094The monkeys are kinda elaborate, and Mizai has what seems like a vaguely convoluted power too. I'm guessing most of them are just decent at hitting people really hard on top of what they already do.
>>289367100>I seriously doubt there's ever going to be another pure Transmutation ability that's just as ingenious and effective.I transmute a gun that fires bullets which enforces zetsu for 24 hours. Yes I can do that because Hisoka clown is mid tier with his own specialization at best.
>>289367135he will be a specialist and you will LIKE IT
>>289367034If you go back in the manga we have an explanation for every single rumble except for this one time. The fact that it happened at the exact moment of the suicide means somebody was possessed at that moment, we just don't know who. Earlier in that same chapter there are some panels of Halkenburg plotting with his goons, but we don't get to hear any of the actual plan. But while they're plotting we have a random panel of the corridor outside the Prince's rooms, indicating that the layout of the rooms is part of the plan. During the suicide, Halkenburg's is located within his room, and that's where he charges his arrow. The only adjacent rooms are Fuugetsu's room and Luzurus's room. In the exact same chapter, Fuugetsu's is detained to the Justice Bureau by Kaiser, so her room would be empty. The only possible target for the arrow would be in Luzurus room.Given all the surrounding evidence, it has to be Rice.I've been spamming this theory in these threads for like 5 years now, and not even I realized that Fuugetsu was detained moments before the suicide. I guess that's another point of evidence for the Rice theory, and I'm now 110% convinced.
>>289363308Are they yuri?
>>289367196Suddenly I feel like eating octopus
>>289367214Conjuring guns seems really fucking popular
>>289364113Fuu back...
>>289367186seems like a pretty simple and easy to use power to me. get hit by a summoned monkey = lose vision, speech or hearing.meanwhile saiyu can just beat your ass while you're trying to avoid them.doesn't seem like there are any downsides
>>289367252ok fr what is the best explanation for the latest fuu shit
>>289367100Killua's Hatsu absolutely mogs Bungee Gum. Electromagnetism is almost everything you can see and a fucking lot of what you can't.
>>289367272She was not supposed to escape the punishment, she ended up getting giga cursed and would've died.
Leaks, first prince Benjamin?
>>289367130- Conjurers are absolutely AWFUL at Emission, but apparently that's not a problem for Knuckle to summon and maintain Potclean many kilometers away;- Similarly, Emitters are just as awful at Conjuration, but that's not a problem for Knov to Conjure and maintain an entire Nen MANSION with 4 floors and 21 rooms, 24/7 (even in his sleep);- Knuckle's personality and fighting style fit Emission to a fucking tee. He has nothing to do with Conjurers;- And the same can be said about Knov, but for Conjuration;- The databook that came out when the CA arc was being released listed Knuckle as an Emitter and Knov as a Conjurer. There's no way the databook didn't get that information from Togashi, because it nailed Netero's, Nobunaga's and Milluki's nen type - despite them not showing anything to justify that.The evidence is overwhelming. Togashi retconned their categories in supplementary material. We can simply ignore that, because "Implications and consistent inferences from the work" are placed higher in the hierarchy of canon.
>>289367072Before the big "reveal" I saw the Chimera ant team as all being in between categories, or using well designed hybrid abilities.Shoot is obvious Conjuration/ Manipulation, Morel again is obviously Manipulation/Emission, Knuckle is Emission/Enhancement (to brawl/sprint). Netero Enhancement/Emission. Knov is the weirdest as he'd need to be Conjuration/Emission.
>>289367259The actual use sounds relatively straightforward, but I think a conjured gangup along with sensory-depriving abilities is more towards the complex end of nen abilities in terms of effects. There's also some potential for desummoning/resummoning shenanigans with three monkeys to make use of, and the conjured staff can probably extend much further than we've seen if he wants to be a worthwhile Wukong.
>>289367100Bungee gum is just smartly themed telekinesis.>I can attract or repel stuff>or attract and repel stuff to other stuff>this is because I have properties of bungee (and gum)
>>289367297potclean itself is not comprised of aura
>>289367274>Killua's Hatsu absolutely mogs Bungee GumBungee Gum lets Hisoka:>move 3-dimensionally/ walk on walls;>escape from impossible positions in an instant;>catch and redirect ranged attacks;>catch any weapon or object that is used against him;>lunge against his opponent at high speed (fatal for Shalnark);>it makes direct combat almost impossible against him unless you're physically stronger than him;>deal with multiple opponents or puppets at once (Human Hammer);>stop bleeding anywhere on his body;>recreate limbs;>restart his own heart (brought him back to life);>and however many other uses.Killua's hatsu doesn't come even close. Absolutely mogged.
>>289367343>Bungee gum is just smartly themed telekinesisHuh...
>>289367240What's interesting is that those guys aren't actually the ones conjuring the guns, they're just emitters in mutualism with a conjurer
>>289367318If he thinks he can handle Ging and Beyond (even if the latter is just a bluff) then he must be an absolute master level nen user or a total retard for thinking he can do that.
>>289367359Besides the latest upgrade (literally resurrecting himself), Killua's electricity has virtually infinite growthBeing able to get instantaneous reflexes and superspeed is already stupid OP but electricity can go beyond thatGon and Killua have the same potential, we already saw Gon-san which was Meruem level strength wise, now imagine a grown Killua with that Hatsu
>>289367252It's impressive how unsexy this panel is, considering the subject matter. >>289367272Maybe this random guy was a Beyond baby and his death triggered a curse.
Can anyone explain the Melody plotline with meeting up with Tserri? Wasn't she invited by a few princes (I only remember Tserri) to their private quarters after hearing her flute performance?
>>289367274Nigga. Killua wouldn't last two minutes against Chrollo's Heavens Arena setup.
>>289367382Now that would be a twistThat guy is definitely older than Beyond though
>>289367317A lot of them are still using weaks typings to different degrees, as is the nature with complex nen. Shoot is the most balanced still, as he's a Manipulator that uses Emission and Conjuration. Emission is involved when Knuckle transfers the initial aura and Hakoware is active at a range, though it's very limited since Knuckle is a Conjurer. Whether the guanyin is emitted or conjurerd, Netero is also using manipulation to control it via the hand commands, so he's all over the place.Knov makes sense if you accept Togashi's view that innate nen space is not a ridiculous feat. Kurapika says himself that nen space is the forte of Conjurers and Emitters. Conjurers can make the nen space more elaborate while Emission is needed to form a connection to nen space. Knov effectively has a default region, but he has various ways to access that area at long range and has a purely emissive offensive version of his warping too. Cheetu in contrast has limited access to the area via Emission(joint teleport on contact), his nen space is much more elaborate with the tag mechanic and an invincible hourglass.
>>289367274Bungee Gum is a hard counter to Killua. Rubber has more properties than just stretching.
>>289367382>>289367272That guy is too old.But what if Lynch was a Beyond kid? The timeline around death seems to line up with the curse on Fuugetsu.
You know there’s probably more that goes on than just assuming you have a certain nen type. You can be classified as one type but not exactly fit under certain conditions. Like Kurapika’s eyes. He’s a Conjurer/Specialist which somehow has 100000 different abilities. Or Tserriednich who can just somehow read the future for no reason. Many other abilities don’t seem to fit inside their own category as well. Either there are specializations within specializations we don’t know yet or Togashi is just making things up as he goes along.
>>289367402Beyond is old as dirt. He just ages slow like his dad due to nen mastery.
>>289367398He'll just speedblitz.
>>289367386Yup, but she's being detained by Kaiser in the Justice Bureau for her protection, so she doesn't have to answer Tse's request for a meeting.It didn't stop some Prince's from visiting her though, and she got a coin from Zhang that everyone seems to have forgotten about.
Everyone younger than 50 on the ship is actually Beyond's child or grandchild
>>289367464If Zhang's coins do manipulate people, he's setting himself up well for the late game
>>289367444This same chapter ends with Longhi meeting with Kurapika to begin her explanation.The timeline matches up pretty well.
>>289366394What category would the omnitrix even be?
>>289367428Hisoka is just Luffy but evil and more homo.
>>289364914Hanzo is such a fucking pussy Whenever I see his angry scrunched up face i can't help but hate his guts
>>289367510Boring old Specialization, unfortunately.It's like a Skill Hunter on crack.
If there actually was a Beyond kid responsible for cursing Fugetsu my guess would always be Tuffdy, an inexplicable nen user(the only given reasons for Kakinese nen use is Ben's army, Untouchables, the mafia, and Beyond kids) recently killed by Hanzo. I don't care to calculate the days and the distance or whatever. It kind of gives off the vibes of a weak curse if it is one, but there's no reason why there couldn't be multiple kids on one target.
>>289367510Conjuration. Physical transformations of actual matter seem to be Conjuration.
>>289365692This is why Knuckle is a primary emission user The main thing his ability does is move aura around and reinforcing his opponent with aura. The forced Zetsu is also manipulation based. The only thing conjured is the little mascot that does nothing except show a number. You can make a bad conjuration ability with 40% affinity and it doesn't matter. It doesn't break the ability. While having bad emission would break his ability and make it useless.
>>289367514Hanzo makes up a new hatsu for breakfast
>>289367510Body transformations falls under conjuration
>>289367382>>289367444>>289367402>>289367451Lads, I just had a new idea.In the chapter from a couple weeks ago, it was revealed that Cleopatra is working with Beyond. Beyond is a curse user, and the real life Cleopatra used poison snakes. The curse wound on Fuugetsu is described by Kachu as looking like a puncture wound, which she assumes is a needle injection, but what if it's a puncture from a snake bite instead? Just like the IRL Cleopatra would do?Fuugetsu is locked inside the Justice Baeru, which Cleopatra is in charge of. Fuugetsu and Melody are working with Kaiser, and Kaiser = Ceaser, who was Cleopatra's IRL lover.And Kaiser is being manipulated, just like IRL Ceaser was manipulated by the IRL Cleopatra.Beyond, curses, Cleopatra, snake bites, it all fits. I think I need one of those schizo conspiracy boards with the red strings and shit.
>>289367015>>289366851Honestly this is probably the way. The greatest strength of conjuration is once you've generated a strong image you can use variations on it fairly easily (Kurapika's chains, Kite's clown, people like Hinrigh and Tsubone who can transform on a theme, possibly Greed Island cards).If you can build the image of a strong nen beast you can probably give it a grab bag of powers. Protect you physically, protect you from curses and manipulation, when you die take your soul and shove it into someone else.
If you were a conjurer and your ability were to turn into some kind of werewolf monster, I wonder if that would still be significantly weaker than the average enhancer
>>289367562Hold up, let him cook
>>289365899HisoGOAT would solo the entire cast until the final chapter, where the JoJo character suddenly remembers his Stand actually controls time, space, causality, and seventeen parallel universes
>>289366688>mfw the joke I made about someone making a hatsu based on farts turned out to be true
>>289367585It would be weaker than the average Enhancer unless you stacked a shit ton of restrictions to the ability.Like for example, you could only transform during the full moon.
If I was a conjurer I would probably make a miniature world with small people living inside that I could enter and exit at will The main purpose would be that objects created by the people inside could be transported to the real world. So I'd be incentivized to get them to industrialize so they could make guns, armored vehicles etc
>>289367535Kacho being a Beyond child would fit better if she wasn’t a prince herself. She’s the only one who could have had the opportunity to really cursed her.
>>289367612The small people in your world wouldn't be able to move around without Emission and Manipulation, however.
>>289367535>>289367619What about Lynch?>>289367444>>289367493
>>289367585You might be able to get ahead with conditions. Something like losing your intelligence could give you a multiplier.
Why does Tserriednich look like the heir to the RothschiId family fortune? Jannies ban me everytime I post this picture to /a/
>>289367635Thanks, anon. Now I can't unsee it
>>289367627I doubt that weak ass curse has anything to do with Beyond. It's Luzurus, or one of Camilla's kamikaze squad offed themselves pre emptively.
>>289367612Either that or a wizard's spellbook
>>289367227Honestly, you've convinced me.
>>289367620They're inside the world, on a very small scale. Going into the world shrinks you like hotel rafflesia. Yeah it's got a lot of categories needed to make it.
>>289367562holy fuark....
Nencho has done fuck all to help. She's a dead weight who will get Fuu killed.
>>289367619Distance doesn't prevent these curses from activating, it extends the time it takes for them to fully impact the target
>>289367515>>289367539>>289367555Let's have a look:Fourarms: Enhancer Heatblast: Emission/TransmutationWildmutt: Enhancer XLR8: Enhancer/Transmutation Grey Matter: EnhancerUpgrade: Manipulation/EmissionDiamond Head: Transmutation Ripjaws: Conjuration/TransmutationStinkfly: Transmutation Ghostfreak: Conjuration/Specializzazione (unsure about this last one desu)
>>289367703So just like the original
>>289367535It's the Have-Nots curse. Sarahel mentions Fugetsu as a potential test target to flush out any exorcists and that their curse would be obliterated by a single look from one of the beasts (something we see Benjamin's beast do as soon as it sees Fugetsu.) Sarahel dismisses Fuu as a target when she hears her new location down in the cells but gets stopped by her master before she dismisses the idea completely.
>>289367710Sounds pretty spot on, other than Four Arms would require Conjuration, while Diamond Head would be Conjuration;
Shizuku missed the biggest IQ playHave Blinky vacuum everyone's hair on the Black WhaleA fate worse than death: baldness
>>289367703post mortem nen is so broken she might turn out to be a skilled nen user
>>289367741Thanks, if someone makes another thread I might try and see for the rest of the aliens in the series
>>289367703I'm honestly so disappointed. Nencho is made by such stupidly strong restrictions (and postmortem Nen). It actually wouldn't be absurd if she was one of the strongest characters in the boat.
>>289367656Camilla's squad wouldn't work unless they killed themselves in front of her, and I'm sure Melody and the rest would be aware if someone committed suicide while making eye contact with Fuu>>289367707It depends on the curse, the old lady working for Camilla said the have-nots' curses wouldn't work unless they're very close to the targets because the princes have their beasts protecting themBeyond's curse seems way more powerful by comparison
>>289367745She wouldn't want a bald Chrollo
>>289367745Blinky suck in everyone's waterBlinky suck in everyones eyeballs
>>289367710Why is Ripjaws transmutation?
>>289367758It's possible she came across one of the kamikaze dudes during one of her trips
>>289367755It actually makes sense she's weaker than some of the more combative princes' nen beasts given that she's not a "beast" but rather a person (pure power was sacrificed to make a clone of a person, modeling personality etc all takes aura).The people involved all lack proper kingly ambitions and aren't power hungry or have higher ideals in the slightest, all serves to make the beast less than ideal for combat, plotting, defense etc You want slightly unhinged monster tier specimens: those will make suitable nen beasts
>>289367773You need to Transmute oxygen to breath underwater.
>>289367794>The people involved all lack proper kingly ambitions and aren't power hungry or have higher ideals in the slightest, all serves to make the beast less than ideal for combat, plotting, defense etcThe beast explicit purpose is to protect the sibling until death, in this brutal Succession War.Fuugetsu protected by Nencho should be untouchable by anyone below Ultimate-level Nen user.
If I'm a Conjurer, my Hatsu will be someting like trion bodies from World Trigger. Like Deme-chan it can make matter (me) disappear and reappear, while I ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL of my clone from safety of [pocket dimension?]. "Teleport" via reamterialization within my En, "regenerate" the same way. But if my clone suffers truly massive damage, I'm forcefully ejected. Or something like that.
>>289367807Nope. Because it's envisioned by a little girl so protecting her means "I'm gonna be by your side and give psychological support and listen to your complaining and give 'affirmations'" Not "I'm gonna be a 8 foot tall spider woman matriarch beast with 20 bare breasts and 20 grasping arms and a mother's protective instincts vagina dentata brood ultimate wall will never tire will never stop"These are two different beings with two different purposes. Kancho's beast is primarily to protect fugetsu's feelings.
>>289367764Bet
>>289367635Tse always comes out to me as the kind of person who's a regular Epstein client so yeah i'm not surprised if Togashi based him on that guy.
>>289367849She also gave Fugetsu the ability to fully control her power. That's probably all the upgrades she's going to get.They're just a couple of kids who have no business being in this situation
>>289367859Chrollo the Monk
>>289367758Beyond's curse is described as too powerful to be what's on her now. Fugetsu's curse is taking over a week to kill a nenless child.
>>289367859Egghead
>>289367880I don't think it's Beyond's curse nor Camilla's guardsWouldn't make sense for it to be Luzurus like they guessed either, because of the GSB's limitation about not attacking fellow princesMaybe it's just some random guard with a stealth hatsu like that guy who killed Sale-Sale
>>289367880Beyond is such a twisted fucking guy Unironically more evil than Tse, whose personal ambitions as expressed by his nen are "I want to do anything I want as others are clueless" while Beyond wants to inscribe endless malice on a little baby to send them as guided missiles no matter what they feel, literally using his own progeny as occult ritual matter to further his ambitions The amount of evil needed to pour into every baby at birth is not even comparable. Tse could potentially be a chill guy at some point going by his nen ability. While Beyond literally is incapable
>>289367880Might the "weak" cursed children have something to do with it?
>>289367585I think you'd be able to compete. It's 100% vs 100%. I guess the biggest factor, besides the typical conditions a Conjurer has to grapple with, is how durable you can make the transformed body.
>>289367703She's like Marayam's dragon and gets stronger the more danger Fuu is in. She'll snap Luzurus' neck herself
>>289367733I am doubtful because of the implication that Fugetsu's GSB can't do that on its own, and I don't think repelling iterations of the curse would be limited to Camilla's guards.
>>289366634She too occupied with the daily abs-maxxing routine
>>289367752New thread.
Knov's mansion is a real physical building he teleported to another dimension. The only conjured object, *maybe*, is his key.
>>289368168I reckon it's a one-time simple conjuration he just placed in nen space.
>>289368181He wouldn't need to conjure it, emitters can move things like buildings.
>>289367859Twink death
>>289368290I'm aware
>>289367849>8 foot tall spider woman matriarch beast with 20 bare breasts and 20 grasping arms and a mother's protective instincts vagina dentata brood ultimate wall willThat is basically what Hisoka is up against
>>289366489Take it easy there, Smerdyakov
