Bisky is single and looking for a husband
Bisky-tan!!
>>289524725Leave Cookie-chan to me
Rudeus thread
missionary double handholding with Biscuit-chan
>>289524725She's teaching her husband to use nen right now.
I think we can actually predict plot developments based on the autistic power system developments that have happened in this arc. Togashi will explain how an ability works in one context as setup for a similar ability used in a totally different context.For example:>Hisoka uses postmortem nen to come back from the dead>Random mafia girl has postmortem nen ability to dispose of corpsesO MY RUBBER NEN was a setup for all the postmortem nen abilities used by the Princes.Or maybe ALL of those abilities are setup for some reveal about the Succession War.>The Troupe trio has a lot of exposition on how teleportation abilities work while fighting Heil-LyThis was a setup for Fuugetsu's ability, and Kacho's plan to mark every Prince's room.>The Troupe trio have exposition on "landmine" nen traps and "barrier" type trapsThis is setup for the Succession War barrier. Specifically, the Succession War is a landmine type trap.>Lot's of exposition regarding curses from the Have-NotsThis is why I'm convinced that a Beyond babies are going to curse and kill a Prince. >Phinks has some exposition on how En can be overwhelmed by sensory input>We're getting more En talk from a Benjamin jobber in this latest chapterEn will be important somehow in the future. What abilities do we know that require En, other than the random Ben jobber?>Morena can "level up" nen by meeting conditions>Chrollo upgraded Skill Hunter to fight HisokaObviously, Chrollo wants to upgrade Skill Hunter again, but I think there's more too it. I suspect that Tse gains a new nen beast every time he meets some conditions. >Lots of repeated exposition on "coercive type manipulation"The only example of coercive manipulation we've seen was Momoze's GSB, and that was at the begging of the arc, which means it was just setup.Coercive manipulation has come up so often that there has to be some big coercive manipulation event on the way. Cammyfags rejoice!
>>289524798Also, cooperate type nen has been foreshadowed since we met Beyond's crew with Ging. I thought that was setup for Halkenburg's ability, but we still got more exposition in the latest chapter hyping up cooperative hatsu. Why hype it up further when Halkenburg has already revealed his technique?I think Morena is planning some apocalyptic cooperative hatsu, that uses both Borksen and "the organ" that's been repeatably hinted at. In other words, Halkenburg is just more setup for a Morena payoff.
>>289524843>stabs luffyWhat did Togashi mean by this?
>>289524798>he only example of coercive manipulation we've seen was Momoze's GSBYou're misremembering. Momoze's GSB was pseudo-coercive. Coercive abilities take full control of body and mind. Think Black Voice and Illumi's needles.
>>289524896>called lynch>assaults a black manWhat did Togashi mean by this?
>>289524798Hisoka's revival could also be foreshadowing Cammy's revival ability.>>289524843Cooperative nen was shown back in Greed Island, the bombers used cooperative nen and the whole game itself was powered by it. I think (one of) Ging's hatsu has something to do with cooperative nen, it fits with what he talked about with Gon and it's why he was so insistent on getting Beyond's crew to recognize him as their second in command - being in a leader position is probably a condition for it.
What if the Kurta Clan Massacre was actually caused by the Kakin rape carnivals?
>>289524946racist white bitch had it coming
>>289525021>that neckJesus
>>289524798With your point about Chrollo, Morena, and Tserriednich it's helpful to keep in mind what the proficiency infographic says about Specialists:>Sometimes their awakening to 'Ultimate' level is contingent upon training/practicing of the Type of Nen that Specialists are supposed to have a hard time with in terms of the hexagonal chart.>Specialists have various complications that cannot be decided with a catch-all rule.When a Specialist wants to reach the next level, more than likely they'll have to jump through some hoops.
>>289525021I think this will have genuinely negative consequences for the Troupe, and will fuck up their plan somehow. They're powerful, but also way too cocky and the shadow of doom has been hanging over them for awhile now.
>>289524725Yeah I'd do both of her formsGorilla Bisky probably has a nice ass if nothing else
>>289525048Hinrigh seemed to have it mostly figured out. He knows though that he can't go directly at the Spiders, so we're probably going to see lots of scheming against the Troupe by Hinrigh and Wang.Maybe they'll be set up in a way where they come to conflict with soldiers/hunters.
>>289525138Or they'll assist Hisoka
>>289525047as powerfull as he is morel still have so much to go... also silva scaling below zeno, this chart is very weird
>>289525048Screwing over the mafia faction who agreed to help them was stupid. Obviously it was a tentative alliance but all of these families have connections in the upper tiers where the troupe is going, fucking with them immediately was a mistake. Bono at the very least deserves to die like a retard at the hands of Hisoka for stirring up so much shit.
>>289524725Already taken
>>289524725>would smash her in all forms and her maid as wellbisky chan is my waifu
>>289525021bono destroyed her cervix
>>289525021she's probly as strong as those shadow beasts since they're from the mafia, it would make sense troupe scales above but would have a hard time dealing with two or more hatsus for hax problems
>>289524996Cont.>Kakin organises a rape carnival by choosing a random and secret village once every few years>We only know that the Kurta clan lived in Lukso Province, but it's not specified which continent it's in>The massacre happened 5 years before the hunter exam arc, with Kurapika being somewhere around Gon and Killua's age>It's stated that a carnival took place a year before the Black Whale set sail, so we can infer that the event happens every 3/4 years>Now let's take a look at the Phantom Troupe backstory>People close to the mafia families (which are connected to the Kakin princes) were involved in kidnapping and trafficking Meteor City residents, including Sarada>We know Chrollo has been tracking the people involved in her murder, one of which was the "philanthropist" Risnorth>In the last chapter batch we found out that Risnorth died 10 years ago and the Phantom Troupe most definitely had a hand in its death. Given what the guy was up to, it's safe to say there was an investigation on itTo summarise: The PT killed the human trafficking guy 10 years ago, people linked to the mafia and Kakin likely caught wind of it and used the upcoming carnival to kill the Kurta Clan and blame the Troupe for it
tyson actually being a dude is coming and you all know hxh will become a trans icon mangaenjoy
>>289525278>will become
>>289524996Thered have to be other scarlet eyes then, or maybe hybrid kurtas lose the eyesCome to think of it kurapika being the last scarlet is doubly fucked up cause hes an ethnic endling, last of his whole damn race, excluding the possible kurtas in the dark continenthe knocks up any chick and the kurta blood is forever diluted more and more
>>289525320There is a way to truly save the blood of the clanIf kurapika really cared about his people he'd have been in bed after the greed arc, with a big belly, being tended to by leorio
This powder keg of a boat wouldn't be happening if he won. Everybody would be living happily ever after.
Kalluto would be the baddest bitch ever he if wasn't a boy...
>>289525341>that level of leaness>the king of all beings is victim weighttogashi pls
>>289525277Counterpoint, Uvo recognized Kurapika's eyes, and mentioned them living in a secluded area which is not something Kurapika told him first. He may not have killed them, but the troupe were absolutely there. If they didn't kill the Kurta, it isn't something so simple as them having been framed for it.
>>289525354>if wasn't a boy
>>289525341pambilonio
>>289525358he was born prematurely, please understand
>>289525048Nothing will probably happen. It's like saying the Zoldycks would face consequences because they carry out assassinations.The PT killed thousands of mafia members in Yorknew alone. Even if some of the mafia members have Nen, they'd most likely get one-shotted like Lynch.The only groups that realistically pose a threat to them are the Zodiacs, GSB, and the HA's top hunters.
>>289525320>maybe hybrid kurtas lose the eyesThat was actually stated to be the case.
I was just thinking back to our old buddy Rihan and his assessment of Sale-sale's GSB: the means for a perfect dictatorship with 100% approval as long as your opponents are idiots who don't do anything. That led me to think: could the GSBs be manifestations of their owners' political strategies and attitudes toward power? For instance, Sale-sale would think "I'm powerful because everyone likes me and thinks I'm cool. If I can just get everyone to like me my reign will be perfect." How does this map onto the other characters whose GSBs we've seen?
>>289525437Momoze thinks "I'm powerful because I can order a person to do anything I want, they can't disobey." Kacho thinks "I feel powerful when I'm with Fugetsu, I want to make sure we can't be separated." Kacho thinks "Having power means being safe no matter what so I need a way to escape if I'm threatened." (These are young girls so their thinking is less sophisticated.) From this starting point, I'm guessing that Zhang-Le's coins have some kind of manipulative effect. He would think "I'm powerful because I know who to reward in exchange for their support." Luzurus, being a drug dealer, thinks "I'm powerful if I can give people their fix," so his GSB traps people using their desires. Taithon thinks "I'm powerful because I make everyone happy and content," so her GSB lulls people into a blissful stupor, compared to Sale-sale who more wanted people specifically to like him. Tubeppa thinks "I'm powerful because I can offer people what others can't," so her GSB creates special chemical compounds and supports her making deals with people.
>>289525320>>289525367Yeah this another thing I was thinking. After writing >>289525277 I came up with this scenarioA. The mafia somehow tricked the Phantom Troupe to initially attack the clan under false pretense (maybe something to do with Sheila?)B. The Troupe engage in battle with the Kurta warriors (who most likely possess scarlet eyes) and kill them, PT leave either because they think they've got their "revenge" or Chrollo realises something's up C. The mafia arrives just before the carnival starts, kill anyone still resisting and take all the scarlet eyes. After the festival is over, they frame the Troupe by using the Meteor City revenge sloganD. The mafia then starts auctioning the eyes on a secret market and keep some as a gift for the princes, which is how Tser gets the eyes.Still can't figure out an explaination for the head in the jar, assuming that actually belongs to Pairo
>>289525437Halkenburg is a firm believer in equality/reform and his GSB gives STRONG NEN when in a group.Tserriednich hates lying whores and that fits pretty well with his GSB.
>>289525445What about Cammy and Ben? Cammy's beast with its many teats may invite people to drink its milk in exchange for controlling them. Her strategy is about doling out favors to the lowest people in society in return for their undying loyalty. Benjamin's beast probably has some kind of straightforward combat ability, his political strategy is rule by force. He would also want a system that can continue even if the leader dies, which may tie into his "godhood" plot.
>>289525380>I think that's the simple limited of the conjured objects, they can only overpower human level threatsThat would be arbitrary. The point of "invincible" type abilities is not that they're invincible, because they can't be. Nothing can be. It's that they're close, and characters know that, but treat them as invincible anyways because making the distinction every time would be asinine.A handful of nukes would make short work of Muteking and LSDF. A normal human whose punches are the equivalent of nukes would as well. Kurapika says as much during the fight with Uvo: he'd need raw physical power to break Chain Jail. Theoretically, this is possible, which makes the ability feasible, but realistically, it's not happening, because nobody is that strong. The aforementioned abilities are in the same camp.If the "first come, first served" rule is malleable with enough STRONG NEN, then this is no different.
>>289524843There's got to be some downside to cooperative nen or all the most powerful nen users would be members of nen cults who would go around wrecking hunters and spiders and take over the world. Maybe the catch is that for group nen boosting to work, every member of the group has to be in total lockstep agreement about their goals. If anyone has the slightest bit of doubt it wrecks the amplification effect and the members can't even tell who's causing it.
>>289525490It's been stated that Hunters tend to be selfish and independent so it makes sense that very few Hunters would make a cooperative ability since it goes against their personality and nature.I think what you said is more or less true though, it also makes sense that manipulated people couldn't be used in group nen otherwise a manipulator could just control a bunch of people to get very strong group nen.
>>289525486If Meruem could overpower the Bodhisithava grip, there is no reason he can not overpower the LSDF bots.Any explanation why one case holds and not the other is basically headcanon.
>>289525445>Kacho thinks "Having power means being safe no matter what so I need a way to escape if I'm threatened."Nah, the narrator explicitly stated that it was her fear of losing her sister, or her sister losing her. Nothing about being safe or escaping. She just didn't want to be without her sister, and she didn't want her sister to be without her. Considering her and Fugetsu I think that the GSB aren't specific to the political ideas of the princes. That stuff is likely important, but only for the princes that actually seek the throne. The GSB seem more like they are related to the obsessions of the princes, the twins were obsessed with each other, but many of the others are obsessed with the throne, where their ideas involving politics would matter.
>>289525529Also remember that Nen as an element of imagination have a visual component.A lot of nen users deduce the effects of abilities based on how they look.One of Benjamin Kakin soldiers deduce that his ability could destroy easily one of the princes Nen beast just because the beast looked weak / not that aggressive / not fighting type (don't remember the exact wording).The LSDF don't look that strong.
>>289525490Group nen makes the whole weaker. Psychologically they will be less inclined to do things without their boosts. Halkenburg's men have zero initiative by themselves and would lose 1v1s. In a straight up war situation you can pin point halkenburg's precise location at all times due to the extreme power. You can also tell how many guys are with him. All his men are marked, and by themselves are quite weak. The pay off to all that nen is also quite weak. The only upside is that they are functionally impregnable when in a group. Its an "all in" ability that would fall to a concerted guerilla campaign. You can seal his movements through this.
>>289524798Kaiser and Furykov are BOTH being manipulated by Camillas GSB. They are being sent to trap other princes. I think the abilities works on direct touch BUT it has to be a male. Looking at Cammy's entourage its all females. This suggests she is a misandrist and since GSB abilities take after their hosts personality it makes sense. We have seen Fury directly touch Cammy which afterwards she got detained and sent to the juridical bureau where she could have came in contact with Kaiser.They are BOTH trying to trick other princes into self destruction. Melody is already onto Kaiser. As for Fury, Cammy used the info she got from Kaiser on the rumor that Halkenburg is Unma's son and used that info to trick Benjamin. Fury mixed half truths to convince him.Cammy KNOWS that Benjamin is coming after her. There is a reason she didnt exorcise the owl ability. Furykov is not there with Benjamin after planning to invade Cammy and Tse. Remember Cammy acts like shes stupid but if you look at her crew shes the most prepared after Benjamin and even knew nen. Everything she did so far may seem rushed without thinking but shes planning everything out.
>>289525524Halk's men are being manipulated though. It's not coercive manipulation.
>>289525490this >>289525564Also postmortem nen, probably when a curse backfires it affects the whole group.
>>289525490>There's got to be some downside to cooperative nenThe fact that it's coopoerative is a massive hurdle by default. People really underestimate how hard it'd be to rope others into making a combo superpower. Even beyond convincing and being able to work with people to make co-op nen abilities, you all have to train them and make them. You can already screw up and/or take forever learning a hatsu. Now you need to rely on other people also not failing or just changing their minds to do something else that's self-sufficient. Or dying at any point.It's an immense risk. Ging and his friends are all insane for making Greed Island, not only because of how much of a feat it was, but becauase it shows they all shared bonds most people would struggle to make a single one of.
>>289525543You know, the people in the story can make a judgement on how strong any given nen construct or ability is, by seeing the aura imbued within it. Back in Uvo's fight with Kurapika he could tell that Chain Jail was a threat because he could actually see how much power it had. Other than that Kurapika's chains look like normal chains, they aren't threatening in appearance.
>>289525573This might be true but I still believe she is genuinely stupid.
Wasn't there a theory that Kaiser and Keni are connected somehow because the kanji in their names both have to do with leadership? Kaiser was literally "emperor" and Keni was something like "authority".Combined with the fact that they both look alike and that Morena's crew has some times with the Cackinn Justice Bureau, I think it makes a lot of sense that they could be siblings, Kaiser is being manipulated by Keni, or that they're literally the same person, and Kaiser is a self-manipulated alter-ego.
>>289525610>>289525573The issue is more that there ARE discrepancies in Furykov's story but these are not brought up in the initial conflict between Ben and Fury. Why? If Togashi decides to skip it,'it would be like Ben becoming retarded to allow the plot to move forward. If it is built in and Benjamin suspects foul play it would come up at a later date. Who knows really. But Furykov basically acts and looks manipulated already. It should be tested.
>>289525606>You know, the people in the story can make a judgement on how strong any given nen construct or ability is, by seeing the aura imbued within it. Back in Uvo's fight with Kurapika he could tell that Chain Jail was a threat because he could actually see how much power it had. Other than that Kurapika's chains look like normal chains, they aren't threatening in appearance.True.But also when the chains were used against Uvog they seemed to grow in size if I remember correctly.
>>289525573I wonder if Cammy's GSB makes anyone who hurts her physically and emotionally become brainwashed to destroy what they value most without even realizing it. Maybe it's "whatever they value that Cammy knows they value" instead.
>>289525636All this made me realise that aside from exorcists, nen users with lie detectors/mind reading abilities are probably one of the most important people to have around
>>289525339what d fuck is this and how did i miss it
>>289525660Greed Island stuff, it's been talked about for a long time how Gon has no mom because Ging used one of these lol
>>289525606Do you think that a nen exorcist could get the gist of a nen curse through information alone?Do you think that curses have some kind of logic?Assistance Request — High PriorityLocation: Glam Gas Land.Your presence is requested tomorrow morning in the vicinity of the hotel indicated in the attached coordinates. A contact phone number is also included.Reason: Evaluation and possible exorcism of two Nen phenomena of unknown orCase 1 — Nen Beast Produced by a Possible RitualThe available evidence suggests a Nen ritual performed by a Specialist-type user.As far as I have been able to determine, the ritual required, as preliminary conditions, the sacrifice of at least a dozen people and the forced participation of multiple Nen users, who were compelled to complete a series of challenges involving the application of different Nen techniques.Once these conditions were fulfilled, the user of the technique underwent what appeared to be an advanced stage of pregnancy despite the absence of any possible biological explanation. The ritual culminated in the birth of a parasitic-looking Nen Beast.The creature was subsequently presented as a gift to one of the ritual's participants. The ritual's creator stated that the recipient was free to do whatever they wished with it, including selling it, destroying it, or absorbing its aura.The Nen Beast currently remains with its designated owner of its own apparent free will. It emits an extremely intense hostile aura; however, thus far we have found no evidence that it is draining its owner's aura or attempting to actively control them.
>>289525673(cont)Case 2 — Possible Nen CurseThe second phenomenon appears to be a possible Nen curse.The user responsible appeared to be a Conjurer and employed a conjured musical box accompanied by a Nen Beast.Immediately before activating the technique, the user concentrated virtually all of their aura into a single ability and voluntarily entered a state of Zetsu.The technique simultaneously targeted two Nen users. One successfully avoided the effect, while the other was struck.The resulting phenomenon took the form of a Nen mark that entered through the victim's neck and subsequently spread throughout the body without any immediately observable effects.No physical contact between the user and the target was observed during the activation of the technique.My preliminary hypothesis is that this is a semi-coercive Nen ability whose activation conditions remain unknown.I would greatly appreciate any preliminary assessment you can provide prior to our in-person meeting. If the information above is sufficient to identify the nature of either phenomenon, any observations or conclusions would be invaluable in planning tomorrow's intervention.
>>289524725>from an amazonian gorilla compressed into a petite little girlimagine the pussy pressure
>>289525673>Do you think that a nen exorcist could get the gist of a nen curse through information alone?>Do you think that curses have some kind of logic?They did bring in an exorcist to treat Gon, who fucked right off after having a single look at him.
>>289525047>hisoka is a better nen user than razor>knov is a better nen user than morel>genthru is on the same level as hisokayeah this chart SUCKS ASS and doesn't make a lick of sense, it's one of those "why is the author acting like he knows so much lmfao" type of situation where you are better off ignoring it.
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>>289525693holy fuck just read the description on the chartwhy does everyone keep getting it wrongit's about skill and not raw power
Somebody please post that 'o my doggy nen' edit of Squala's death
>>289525529bodhisattva was weaker than Gon san.Gin San destroyed pitou with a single punch, bodhisattva palm could only push him away.How strong the LSDF bots are depends on the severity of the violation. So if Meruem steps in the room with the purpose of killing the king and destroying kakin he could get some level 10 bots that would be too much even for him
>>289525693>yeah this chart SUCKS ASS and doesn't make a lick of senseMaybe try reading and stop being a powerlevel faggot. It will eventually make sense.
>>289525688>>289525697without nen your dick would explode like a watermelon
>>289525693Death of the author honestly applies. Togashi became weak and old and made a nen chart that is highly divisive. He can simply be wrong or have changed his mind regarding certain powers. As a reader, you can safely disregard such retcons.
>>289525737>without nen your dick would explode like a watermelon
>>289525693Little Flower counters bungee gum, btw.
>>289525048They're gonna lose half their members like neons fortune originally predictedExcept this time Hisoka dies for good
>>289525564that's his ability. His followers can't use men, unless his ability works like a men baptism, so he'd get followers who can act independently plus his overpowered group ability
>>289525732The nen of the lawyer would not be able to surpass prime Meruem at his peak. Doesn't matter how many conditions are applied
>>289525047>there are no ultimate manipulators
>>289525737If her body is like forged steel, without enhancing your dick you're never getting inside her in the first place.
>>289525756This is a STRONG NEN vs ABSOLUTE NEN debate.
Why didnt Kurapika use his chain to see who was controlling silent majority after it attacked?
>>289525610she's smart but she's overconfident
>>289525711yeah and if you think genthru unoptimized shitty nen ability is on the same level as hisoka you are retarded. Why the fuck is he (a conjurer) using a primarily transmutation ability that requires him to protect his hands with tons of nen while using it? Why not fucking conjure gloves or something that protects his hands since he is a conjurer? Is he retarded? Yes he is, and that's why putting him on the same level as hisoka (and above knov and morel?!?!?!) is FUCKING STUPID.
>>289525048If anything, the mafia are going to suffer consequences for trying to screw over the troupe.
>>289525693It literally says that it only shows how proficient the user in regards to thecategory's full potential, not a powerlevel chart
>>289525774He tried.
>>289525756that's not how it works
>>289525750>They're gonna lose half their members like neons fortune originally predictedWhich spiders are on the chopping black and which ones survive?Machi probably survives.
>>289525761What would an ultimate manipulator even do at full potential? Illumi's ability seems to be the closest to that if we exclude the effect it has on the target
>>289525809Next week, she dies.
>>289525810>What would an ultimate manipulator even do at full potential? Illumi's ability seems to be the closest to that if we exclude the effect it has on the targetThe invincibility ability shows that manipulators can do more than simply "manipulate people/objects" with nen.It seem to be able to manipulate concepts and have reality bending powers similar to conjuration.
>>289525693>specificaly put BETTER NEN USER instead of STRONGER or BETTER AT FIGHTS>fags here still retarded enough to think I'm talking about powerscaling and not about nen proficiencymy god I forgot how mentally challenged the average /a/ poster is
>>289525810manipulate your own body to have the properties of both rubber and gum
>>289525752Nah they did get baptized and got a boost as well.
>>289525810Illumi's ability is definitely not the closest. Even Shalnark is way better than him in terms of pure manipulation.
>>289525809Bono is dead 100%
>>289525810>>289525829Possibly something like ESP.Or some broken ability like Index vectors manipulation.Or some more abstract conceptual manipulation similar to what you can pull off in mage the ascension / awakening.
>>289525842>t. Shalnark
>>289525842Illumi has something like haoshoku he can make people collapse without even touching them
>>289525761there aren't ultimate transmuters either, because what biscuit does is barely transmutation to begin with.
>>289525809It's one of the most braindead predictions ever. If Bonolenov and Shizuku die, that already fulfills Neon's prophecy about the Troupe losing half its members.The rest will most likely survive. And even if they do die, it'll probably be because of some wildcard factor.
I didnt catch this but Lobbery was already a nen user. Wonder if it will have any relevance.
>>289525766is that why she's still single? unless she could somehow use nen to depressurize...
>>289525840yeah, I meant that his ability works even if his followers can't use Ben, so even as a group ability is still better than a group of independent individuals.But if it works as a men baptism then he gets both the independent individuals and the overpowered group ability
>>289525874>t. retarded esl clownfag
>>289525877Wtf are you even talking about
>>289525737i would not mind being brutally cowgirled by a muscular little girl to be quite honest desu
is nen real?
>>289525880Maybe she has more than one hatsu...
>>289525770Yes, and it's true. >>289525808Yeah that's how it works. The lawyer can overpower Nobunaga and even big guys like Franklin, but would not be able to budge the King. Just being bathed in his ren would be enough to make them stop functioning.
>>289525906He uses it on the guards when he breaks in the emergency hospital to confront killua and alluka
>>289525829>>289525858That also depends on the concept, as there are many interesting abilities that end up falling into specialization.>Borrowing/Stealing someone else's ability>Mind reading and implanting memories on people>Future sight after being given basic information on someone>Turning yourself and someone you trust invisible>Giving yourself full proficiency in all categoriesIn a way you could say these all involve manipulation
>>289525842Illumi has the more versatile ability.
>>289525886Silent Majority's possession half awakened her
>>289525890She's single because she already has Cookie. What more could she want in a partner?
>>289525929Didn't the manga says that conjurers/manipulators can "become" specialists if they specialize their ability too much or something like that?I remember something along the lines.
>>289525393Wasn't us
>>289525934I am pretty sure Fury assessed before Silent Majority got deployed that there were x nen users, not sure. Cant check right now.
>>289525947It has nothing to do with their abilities. It was stated that they have a higher chance to become a specialist later in life than other categories.
>>289525894Illumifag actually. How the fuck is Shalnark any better in terms of pure manipulation?
>>289525393>>289525948That's an admission of guilt that would hold up in court. They did that shit 100%
>>289525933Eh it's always super simple commands. His main strengths are his aura output and his ability to control multiple needles, neither of which has anything to do with nen proficiency.
>>289525967There's no admission of guilt there
>>289525953silent majority possesed loberry before the nen class started
i fucking hate this bitch
Estt
>>289525959He's not. Illumi wins in amount of manipulated people. Granularity in manipulation level. Level of control over target. Versatility in how it's applied. Manipulation medium can be discarded after use (car bomber needle men). Has a specialty needle that can do it "all in one". Shalnark is limited to two antennas and needs to use another console to control the target.
>>289525693>razor was rusty>morel isn't the type to fuss over mastering little technicalities of nen>probably only by tryharding while hisoka is a natural
>>289524725Oh, I forgot that I haven't read last week chapterTime to check it
>>289525959Because Shalnark gains complete control over anyone he sticks a needle into, allowing him to control them directly like a remote-controlled puppet, including their speech. Autopilot is also a much more complex application of Manipulation.Illumi's control, on the other hand, is limited to simple preset commands, like crashing into a car, not fighting a strong enemy, and attacking a specific target etc. He just overwhelms his targets through sheer aura output and the number of needles he can use.
>>289525947Yeah, they're the closest to specialization but the chances are low>>289525958I think the issue is that specialization is the odd ball because most of the unique abilities we've seen under this category seem to involve conjuration/Manipulation. Add that to the whole Morena's discussion on people not realizing they are specialists and not making the appropriate abilites
>>289525976The conversation makes it clear that:They know Red Eyes means the Kurta clan. They implicitly understand that the Kurta Clan Survivor would want to kill the Spiders. No one in the Spiders finds the idea of a Kurta Clan Survivor seeking revenge to be strange, or uncomfortable or wrong. They implicitly take on responsibility for the genocide of the clan here. This conversation is key.
>>289525573Cammy already knew that Benjamins soldiers are nen users which makes her choice even crazier to go in alone. She knew that she wouldnt get killed directly. Its all planned. Everyone thinking Cammy is going to die to Benjamin are stupid.
>>289526025Personally I think they likely killed some but not everyone, then a third party took care of the rest and they just found out about it, like theorised on >>289525450
>>289525780>Phinks’ egyptian retard getupBRING IT BACK
>york new mafia war>greed island>chimera ants extermination>khakin succesion crisisall minor side-quests for THE Biscuit Krueger
>>289526050>Sphinx>PhinksBravo Togashi
>>289526045This would be brought up in that very conversation. If this was the case, it would also be brought up in the negotiation with Kurapika, if nothing else then just a last resort when it looked like Chrollo was about to be killed, Pakunoda was manipulated and everyone was going to die. If the Spider was blameless, they would try to explain their position there, if not earlier.
>>289526025>no actual clear evidence>they're guilty because of vibesWouldn't hold up in court desu.
looks like the euros finally decided to show up
>>289525992Well shit, that was very eventful chapter
>we are targets for a blood feud wherein we did not do the crime we are accused of >our honor-bound killer will never stop because he's operating on sheer revenge/honor and will gladly kill us all, and he just killed our #1 strongest guy >let's do nothing to dissuade our perceived guilt, implicitly accepting his view and accepting our guilt If you are accused of a crime and don't immediately defend yourself you essentially accept guilt. If you cannot defend your honor when slighted you become a fool and a criminal. Spider's cannot defend their honor because they are 100% guilty as shit. When they are accused and haven't done that shit they will defend their honor. When Kurapika starts killing them on a honor-bound basis they don't object to the killings on the basis of being innocent. This never ever comes into play.
>>289526062It would. They 100% know what is being discussed. No one speaks against the accusation. See>>289526094
>>289526061I don't deny that the PT didn't fight and kill some of the clan members, however this story is rather fishy. There is definitely more that has yet to be revealed
>>289526050I kinda miss the troupe's Halloween theme
>>289526110You have a guided missile coming at you You can easily stop it, but decide not to All this says is that you would like to be hit with a guided missile Or that you in fact *dont* have the ability to easily stop it.The troupe cannot stop kurapika from desiring to kill them all because they are guilty.
>Netero is manipulating his statueI've seen this for years now and it's never made sense. You don't need manipulation to move your own aura. Is Hisoka using manipulation to stretch out bungie gum?
>>289526152If the statue is conjured you need manipulation to move it (see Kastro's clone).If the statue is emitted then no manipulation is required.
Greed Island was cooperative nen. Ging's whole thing was he leads a group of people and do things until hes bored. Ging's hatsu is totally cooperative type with some type of manipulation. Everyone who used to work for him talk fondly of them, cant be just because hes a sweet talker
>>289526182I am surprised that none of Beyond's men was suspicious of Ging's donating money being part of a manipulation requirement.
Sheila was killed by the kurta clan elder to keep the location of the clan secret, this was why the troupe attacked the kurta
>>289525923headcanon
>>289526152Netero's buddha is a construct made of aura seperate from him. That's the difference between Netero and somebody like Hisoka. Netero needs manipulation to make the statue do its programmed moves. Otherwise, it wouldn't move.
So, what are the odds of a Gon interlude vs going back to martial law?Because I understand the hype around the original MC, but I don't really want any more interruptions to the succession war.
>>289526235The POV is going to go back to troupe/mafia shenanigans.
>>289526235Togashi will beat around the bush until the next hiatus x hiatus and you will like it
>>289526224Its literally not. Its part of the text. The only thing a "condition" does is increase aura amount.
>>289526235It won't be a multi chapter Gon interlude. Instead we'll maybe get a few pages of Gon every few chapters. From looking at the tweets it looks like Hisoka is in 420. Machi is in 425 and Gon is in 428. That tells me most of the page time is going to be on the boat for a while, but we might see the occasional Gon scene. I also don't see us getting Hisoka or Machi until SML properly kicks off too. So even more reason to expect we're still mainly looking at Benjamin and his guards attacking the other princes for a bit.
>>289526197They seem entranced by beyond, could be under some type of manipulation already. Theres no way for their loyalty to falter because first come, first served, rule of manipulation
>>289525886Weird that Longhi had a long winded explanation about how she found out Beyond was her dad but Furykov just knows. I wonder if he knows there are a bunch of them.
>a few pages of Gon every few chapters.Please God no. First Kurapika babble now Gon. I just want to see the main storyline progress.
Netero uses Transmutation for the buddha, not Conjuration. The statue isn't real. Emission is used because it's separated from his body, for Zero and the teleport. He doesn't use Manipulation, it's controlled via prayers and hand signs. He can't move it as he pleases, something a Manipulator would be able to do.
>>289526022specialization is specialization.even "conjured" or "emitted" objects don't actually fall into emission or conjuration category because they're the result of specialization and it comes at 100% proficiency.Someone could have a specialist ability that boosts their aura with the same proficiency as an enhancer and also shoots 100% proficiency aura beams. Maybe a sentai transformation for instance.
>>289526287Define "main storyline"
If I had nen I would become an exorcist
>>289526061thay wouldn't be brought up in that conversation.The important thing for Kurapika's revenge is that the spiders are known as those responsible for the massacre.Whether they did it or not they still know that everyone blames them and so the one seeking revenge would target them
>>289526017>Autopilot is also a much more complex application of ManipulationHis Autopilot is a nen vow. What's so complicated about this? He gains a temporary aura burst and suffers muscle aches for days after that.Black Voice is a very simple ability in Manipulation terms. Shalnark dumps aura into target and dictate actions directly via interface. That's a basic remote control. BV is not as versatile and delicate as Illumi's needles. Not only can he create an army of Nen zombies and control them from great distances, but he can also manipulate human psychology, desires, memories, and fears, while keeping his target fully conscious (Killua's needle) without even high-level Nen users noticing that. This is very delicate skill that requires high level proficiency of Manipulation. He is also capable of manipulating his own body at the biological level, altering his appearance, facial muscles, , and skeleton - whether with or without needles. I don't understand why you underestimate Illumi so much, compared to Shal, he was portrayed as a more skilled master of manipulation
>>289526299> Maybe a sentai transformation for instance.Fuck now i wanna see a super sentai based hatsu.
>>289526152>>289526175>>289526226the Buddha statue is a result of specialization. So the arguments about proficiency in the various areas do not apply
>>289526253>Its part of the textpost it then.The only thing it states is that the more serious the transgression the stronger the bots.
So happy they're back
>>289526346this pic would look way tougher if illumi was wearing a dress
>>289526406I hate that 2011 (and by extension your ai slop) made Killua look so white he might as well be an Albino. He's probably supposed to be a lighter skin tone than Gon but he looks practically silver or pure white. It looks unnatural.
>>289526226>>289526175Is the statue either? Do we ever seen the statue disconnected from his aura? When he hits Pitou it seems to appear from below him, but also he seems to have no aura at all.
>>289526445You are so gay lol.Like I'm posting two guys kissing and I'm still less gay than you.
MYSTERY NIGGAS
>>289524798i kneel, scolar. but i have an issue with Beyond's curse. i think all the exposition about the curses needing constant hate as fuel is a set up to reveal that Beyond is having some other use. but i'm retarded and not a scholar so there is a high possibility of me being completely wrong
Why does Keni look like a Beyond childExact same cheekbones and nose as Longhi
>>289526486I think you're just as gay as me anon. It looks not too bad when he's clothed, but in the ai slop it looks really weird. takes me out of it and makes me glad that b/w doujins exist.
RACIST NIGGAZ
>>289525693I always got the feeling that Razor could have demolished Hisoka in an actual fight
>>289526511God you're such a turbohomoLike I'm posting a guy in a fruity dress and I'm still less of a homo than you
>>289526268>Machi is in 425Wouldn't be surprised if that's Bono in disguise just because it was an uncharacteristically large spoiler
>>289524996I mean, how the fuck else did Tserri get Pairo's head?Literally no other Kurta had their whole head cut. It's just the eyes. All of them - except for Pairo
>>289526444
>>289524725She reminds me of Stellahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb9VXkbUBh0
>>289526110>>289526094Not to mention when Spiders were accused of stealing the merchandise from the auction they defended themselves not doing it, so it's not like they stay quiet even if they didn't do anything wrong.
Is it a valid complaint that too many people in the succession arc are casually accepting their death and willing to throw their life away with no hesitationShits kind of cheapening what used to the bomb shell when we're told about kurapika's restriction, see how casual chrollo/spiders are about dying, gon throwing his life away on pitou etcA life used to mean shit, mostly
>>289526616Anon there were people dying like flies from the first hunter exam without anyone batting an eye. Nothing has changed.
>>289526094>>289526607Okay, so did they like, get a custom pre-order from Tserriednich before they did their revenge slaughter?
>>289526580Silva in shambles, his oldest is a creepy twink with a brother complex and his youngest prodigy shat on the family and is a fagAnd the rest in-between are just an obese shut in and 2 crossdressing pooftas
>>289526346Illumi doesn’t have real time control though. Sure he can put a command in a needle and jam it in, but he can't then remote control someone like Shalnark.
>>289526565That's one of the thibgs i couldn’t connect the dots with when i posted >>289525450Right now the only idea i can come up with is that Pairo somehow managed to trick the culprits that he didn't have the scarlet eyes, tried to escape during the rape carnival but was caught and killed
Tse is gonna meet Morena during the martial law, isnt he?
>>289526637You misunderstand, those people DIDN'T want to die, they weren't utilising their own death through nen or intentionally serving their own life to someone else's nen.Too many people are suicidal levels of gutsy this arc
>>289526644I'd imagine they were in charge of rounding up the Kurta and someone else killed them and they knew Kurta would be tortured/killed if they didn't do the killing/or killed only able bodied warriors
>>289526686That seems like it would be rather early, and negate a lot of the buildup.
>>289526714The finale of this arc is Kurapika facing Tse so this seems like a proper time to do this. They dont necessarily need to eliminate one another either.
>>289526686>Boy, I sure don't understand why my beloved Theta wants to kill me. What have I ever done?What a guy, kek.
Feitanbros...it's over
>>289526689>Too many people are suicidal levels of gutsy this arcWhich is a good thing because nothing strengthens nen more that high risk decisions and a willingness to die in order to achieve your goal
>>289526701But that makes no fucking sense. They specifically use that one Meteor City "punitive" message - if this was just a job they did for Kakin, why would they pretend it was personal by putting that message?Now, I don't doubt that Troupe met the Kurtas...I wouldn't even doubt that they killed the warriors. But the massacre? It just doesn't make sense for it to *not* have been related to Tserriednich. Literally nobody else would have given a single fuck abotu Pairo's head.
>>289526616>>289526689A lot of these people are obviously very loyal to their princes, it makes some sense given that Kakin is a monarchy that places a lot of importance on the royal family. Historically there was a lot of loyalty towards royalty even if in modern times we think that's dumb.
>>289526686Does he even know she's his lesbian halfsister ?
>>289526743Morena would do everything in her power to kill a prince, so them meeting is crazy. How could she let such an opportunity slide? I feel like it's ooc for her to not kill him.
>>289526487Gon's mom
>>289526810>>289526686Its more likely that Tse meets up with Borksen while hiding from martial law.
>>289526766It would probably have to do something with Shiela, she's probably the only one who woulda known someone would be coming back unless Pairo spilled the beans that Kurapika is out, but this wouldn't make sense with Spiders being surprised about there being a survivor.
>>289526743Boksen is one of Tse's people, so him meeting Morena so soon after her being forced to join Morena would be too soon. Also both sides have plenty of reason to try and kill the other. If they have any contact, it can't be meaningful because it would just get in the way of other stuff if it was.
>>289526658Kikyo is crazy. I also think Silva's parenting methods are just terrible. In Illumi's case, they might have gone too far with psychological pressure and abuse and he grew up to be an antisocial psychopath with a huge desire to dominate and control. In Milluki's case, they might have see what a monster Illumi had become and changed their parenting methods and spoiled Milluki too much. Killua’s the most normal kid of the family, he was probably raised somewhere in the middle, which is why he’s neither as crazy as Illumi nor as lazy and fat as Milluki. In Alluka and Kalluto's case, Silva probably just ignored them, and only their mother took care of them.
>>289526825That doesn't explain why the Troupe would have done specifically what they did. Do you really think they'd just randomly decide to pretend this custom order from some Kakin Prince was a meteor city revenge job?Anyways, from a story point, it's clear that something very specific will happen between Tser and Kurapika, and I doubt it'll be as simple as him just owning a bunch of eyes, because even some random-ass girl like Neon wanted to own a pair of scarlet eyes.
>>289526754Manlet Chud remains undefeated
>>289526878Maybe the eyes are like rabbit feet, some kind of good/bad luck charm
>>289526902>Poor guys ability is not useful now so hes being sent on a suicide missionAlmost feel bad for the guy
>>289526877I also think it's worth mentioning that Alluka is just a normal child. They only found out she had Nanika when she was, what 3 to 5 years old? Yet there was no training on her end, physical or nen.Almost makes me wonder if they wanted one normal child for whatever reason. I mean, being born after Killua can't be the reasoning, or Kalluto wouldn't have been trained.
>>289526798According to Morena herself she's only larping as a royal, royal as in the blood descendant of Nasubi. She's not even a second-grade pretender, just non-royal meat. She apparently killed the real Morena (Tse's half sister if Nasubi was his father) who's now resting in a grave meant for her, and she took her place as a mafia boss. Tse probably thinks she's his half-sister, because everyone knows that's how the mafia works, but she's not. Then again I have another theory. I think Tse's father is Beyond so he isn't even a royal himself, just has a queen for mother. I think it's possible Morena is also a Beyond child, maybe even born as a twin to Tserried. My guess is based on the two of them have a lot in common, and that scene of Morena giving off the deadly aura similar to Netero's. Maybe the rule was only one child from Beyond may enter the royal ranks. This would mean the other twin needs to be discarded, and so our Morena might have ended up tossed with the other orphans. Since the Beyond child isn't royal by blood, the mafia would be able to tell that through some method Morena already mentioned in her backstory, and so she'd be treated as trash despite having illustrious parents.
>>289526897No, it's just a beauty thing, the color is apparently vibrant.No idea how the fuck a red can be so damn "vibrant", though. Did they somehow manage to go past 300,0,0 on the RGB machine?
>>289526824I buy that. Would be a great scenario.
>>289526902Strong nen bros...
>>289526878The message could be a red-herring left by whoever else was involved to make the spiders seem more responsible for all of it instead of partly responsible I guess. It wouldn't be below Kakin to do something like this because how rotten they are, and they did leave a message on Sarasa's corpseWe can kinda deduce it wasn't personal to them because they have next to no reaction remembering about KurtaTogashi's writing is bit unpredictable but it'll probably make sense in the end.Tser definitely has a lot more to do with this mainly because of the head and his general attitude.
>>289526942>Did they somehow manage to go past 300,0,0 on the RGB machine?LED screens are surprisingly limited in the colors they can showThere are some very vibrant pigments out there that can't be truly appreciated if you don't see them in-person.
For some reason i was joking about this Succession war arc reminding me of Steel Ball Run
>>289526902>Phinx snaps his neck, twirling it like a towel just like he did in York New >This guy will either end up with a fractured neck or dead Truly an amazing ability
>>289525781but meruem never even uses any emission hatsu or even basic nen so why is he an ultimate on the chart?
>>289527022Togashi's favourite JJBA part is Vento Aureo
>>289525829Yeah, the invulnerability ability is a real game changer. I would have thought a power like this would be enhancement and emission (emit your aura into someone to enhance their defences).
>>289526902
>>289527046Source?>inb4 he drew that one guy from part 5 once
I have machitard fatigue
>>289527081Just my guess based on how many abilities in this arc are similar to the stands from Part 5 (Luini and Sticky Fingers, Hinrigh and Gold Experience, Tserriednich and Epitaph/King Crimson)
>>289525048The troupe can act cocky like that because they have strong nen. It's actually one of the few consistent things in HxH. As early as Yorkshin. At least when the Mafia's involved
To revisit something from a few days ago, I am convinced that the seemingly innocuous panels of each Prince shown in chapter 404 are actually spoilers for upcoming chapters.Because we're all mentally ill, let's go through and theorize about each and every panel and what it could mean.To start with, we have this page with Ben, Cammy and Zhang.>Benjamin reads a tablet while FurykovWe know now that it was this exact moment Ben was poisoned and we are witnessing his murder. This panel (along with the upcoming Luzurus panel) are what convinced me of this chapters secret significance.>Cammy is having her nails done while reading a tabletBehind Cammy is her massage table. We learn from Ben in most recent chapter that Cammy has a routine massage at 3pm every day, and he plans to kill her during her current massage at the start of Martial Law.So, the most obvious answer is that this panel is spoiling the location of Cammy's death, as she's sitting about a 1m away from where Ben kills her. However, there's also the possibility that Cammy survives. If she survives, then it'll almost certainly be because of her coercive manipulation GSB. In this panel, Cammy is reading a tablet, and is presumably receiving a report of Halkenburg's death at the exact same time Benjamin is. How would she be getting that information? I think this Anon's theory >>289525573 might be right, and in a future chapter it'll be revealed that Kaiser is the one leaking info to Cammy on her tablet. >Zhang looks at a coinWe know Zhang has already escaped before Martial Law is declared. I think that during his flashback, it'll be at this moment that he decides to take a coin to his mafia boss, and that's why he isn't present when Martial Law is declared.But we also know that the coins can change faces. It's possible that the coin Zhang is holding has changed faces at this moment, and that changed face somehow tipped him off about Martial Law.But this panel gives us the least to work with.
>>289526878Maybe they were manipulated or something. Like by the Heil-Ly
>>289525693"transmuted smoke" fags are having a melty
>>289527046No wonder these nen abilities feel familiar especially the King Crimson and Gold Experience one
>>289527145>Because we're all mentally ill
>>289526487wonder how he will look like when he removes the hood
>>289527145While in Zhang Lei's possession the face side of the coin shows a design of the GSB.Maybe~ he's had an epiphany regarding GSB-3's ability...?
floppy
>>289527046I just thought about it for a bit ironically then went on to seewhat they had in common >Long journey with a lot of money (race's prize money vs guard's payments for protecting the princes)>The journey is actually a facade for a something more important (Finding Jesus's corpse vs choosing the new King of Kakin + finding the real Dark Continent)>The leader of the country taking part in the voyage believes wants to improve and further protect the country (Funny Valentine vs Nasubi)>Major search for body parts belonging to people of importance in the story (Jesus vs Kurta Clan)>One of the characters takes part in the voyage because it will help his tribe (Kurapika vs Soundman)>One of the main characters is part of the journey to protect a child from death (Gyro vs Oito)>The protagonist is in someway involved in specific lessons that are supposed to help his goal (Johnny and Gyro's lessons vs Kurapika's nen classes)The protagonist has some sort of dark will that pushes him to achieve his goals despite the huge risks ahead (Johnny vs Kurapika)
>>289526877Some people think Illumi used manipulation on himself to kill his emotions>>289526929Alluka may've just demonstrated no talent or desire for it, after which, they found out Nanika was influencing Alluka's personality. It makes them a pretty odd character to me because they're supposed to be co-dependent, but Alluka's personality doesn't seem to distinguish themself when Nanika is in control.
>>289527390Oops i was referring to SBR, not Vento Aureo
>>289524725I'm scared of her real body. She won't ever go back to it, right?
>>289527417Killua...
>>289527302Nya
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>>289527145>Tserriednich trains with SalkovThe first and most obvious answer to these panels are that it's foreshadowing that Tserriednich is the secret Beyond baby. His unreal talent with Nen is on full display and he even has his hair in a topknot like Netero does.However, there are a couple of other things to note, espically if we assume Tse isn't Beyond's child.We know from chapter 413 that Tse and Salkov are still doing this zetsu training when Martial Law is declared. So, Tse will probably see Benjamin attacking room 1004 with his future sight, giving him 10 seconds of prep-time to come up with a plan. I'm convinced he'll use his ability to fake his own death, which is why Benjamin has moved his focus over to Zhang in the flash forward.Also, Salkov is a confirmed curse Beyond bastard, possibly meant to curse Tse. Benjamin has standing orders to kill all personal guards, which means Salkov is a probably going to die once Martial Law begins.The most likely scenario for Martial Law, based on logic and the foreshadowing in these panels, is that Benjamin arrives at Room 1004 and immediately kills everyone there. Salkov dies for real, but Tse is still alive thanks to his ability. Theta is in the corner of the room, far from the action. Tse wouldn't want Theta to escape or be killed, so I think it's likely he'll rescue her with his ability, leading to only Salkov's death.Salkov's curse will hit Tserriednich as soon as his ability wears off, which creates a weird dynamic where Tse is dying but everyone assumes he's already dead, and Theta is forced to try save him by his GSB.
>>289527498you can't top bungee world
>>289527562Theta and Salkov are (provisional) hunters so they wont get touched by Benjamin. Tse will escape though. If Furykov isnt being manipulated than Halk is most likely Beyonds son since theres no other way Uma could have known about the curse other than being Beyonds woman.
My hatsu is a small version of myself who lives in my pocket an redirects any curses that would hit me. I am useless in 90% of the world but Godking in Kakin
>>289525610Cammy would still be retarded, if it turns out her GSB manipulates men without her knowing
What the fuck is Hinrigh saying about fakers rebellion? I dont understand it at all.
>>289527707he's talking about morena, she's nasubi's bastard child and she's a faker because morena's not her real name
>>289527707Morena is not the original boss of heil-ly, she took power and started spreading contagion, that's what he's talking about.
>>289527751bonobros... i'm scared...
>>289527741>>289527747>>289527707>Fakers rebellionSomeone must have been involved into breaking them free right? Could be beyond perhaps, since he was interested in giving citizens in kakin more rights. Maybe thats what Wang meant with playing their joker. They got someone big working with them.
If you're reading this post, please read to the end, or at least check the bottom!>>289524725>>289524798This was really cool to read!>>289527390I love SBR so much brosIf (You)'re reading this btw, please let me know if you agree with this - I've been assembling my own grand HunterXHunter Theory, I hope you can all take a quick look, it's all tabulated here pastebin.com/MSuax8rk - from the princes to the Greed Island cards, I made the ultimate (I hope) compilation of connections between various contexts. I know you guys could have done it better but I had fun with the autism so I just went with it. By the way, question: How much of this arc's events, and also "Nen" as a system do you think togashi has planned out in advance? It seems to me he's adding to it as he goes in an intelligent fun game master-y way.
>>289526337So Chrollo is an irresponsible retard? They all are? Because they allow a killer seeking to restore his clan's honor to wrongfully kill them all, when they could easily squash the blood feud through explaining their innocence? Your view makes the spiders incredibly idiotic for willfully navigating a feud in the worst possible way, if they indeed bear little or no responsibility for the genocide. Not defending one's honor when accused of heinous crimes is essentially admitting guilt after all. And this is something spiders wouldn't do. As we've seen. They don't take credit for crimes not committed by them, but never raise any objection when they realize kurapika, their killer, is motivated by blood debt and revenge. It is not even brought up internally. Hence, they are guilty.
>>289526376The only thing a condition does is increasing aura amount. Aura amount = beneficial effects What the robots do is be invulnerable and remove unwanted guests. Meruem has so much aura he can override any invulnerability, and so much raw strength no one can force him to go anywhere.Halkenburg and a crowd of 30-40 supporters would also, similarly, be totally immune to the effects based on sheer aura output.
>>289526902ENTER
>>289527973Agreed. I'm so sick and tired of the "Spiders didn'd done id" theory being forced down out throats. Uvo admitted they killed the Kurta, Paku remembers the Kurta and so does Chrollo. As if they'd just meet the Kurta, play chess with them, stroke their cocks and leave. Of course they killed them, and I'm thinking the reason was because the Kurta might have done something to Sheila. Kurapika did say that Sheila was to hurt and to weak to simply leave when she did, but she was just gone the next day. Obviously the elder did something.
>>289528011>OOOOOOOOOOOO
>>289525393I really hope Togashi doesn't pussy out of making the PT responsible for the Kurta massacre. Trying way too hard to make them sympathetic for my taste.
>>289527562>Tubeppa looks at a computerThis probably relates to information revealed in Tubeppa's letter from Fuugetsu / Kaiser. We have no hints or ways of knowing what that letter contains until it's revealed at a later date.>Tyson sings a song. Her book is on a pedestal and everybody cheersThe activation conditions for Tyson's GSB are to receive a Book of Tyson and read it. Izunavi has a plot to give King Nasubi a book during the next Banquet. I doubt this will actually work, as GSB's can't attack other Princes directly, and I assume this protection extends to Nasubi.However, I think the singing in this panel is actually important, and we might see a big Tyson play at the next banquet after all. An often forgotten fact is that Tyson has already given her book to all the Queens of the lower ranked Princes, and she even confirmed that they wouldn't have thrown the book away. If any of those Queens read from her book then they will be manipulated by Tyson's GSB. Could hearing the book be read allowed also meet the conditions of the GSB?We also learnt in a throwaway line that Tyson steals lyrics from songs for her book. If somebody were to sing one of those songs quoted in the book, perhaps it would be the same as reading those words straight out of the book.So, if somebody were to sing a book-song during the next banquet, all the lower ranked Queens wouldn't instantly be put under Tyson's control. It's the return of the Sale-Sale plan! At the next banquet Tyson will change the world!>Luzurus panelLuzurus is possessed by Halkenburg as of chapter 414. I'm not going to go into detail because most people here already know about the Rice conspiracy. I didn't realize until right now that he's literally sitting in that same seat when Halkenburg successfully possesses him. When Halkenburg's plan is revealed we'll get a flashback to this moment like we did with Benjamin and Furykov.
>>289528011>>289528085>I'm sure to win because my conditions were met! Anyone have that pic?
Chrollo cute
>>289528011Strong nen??
You guys like my nen beast?
>>289528152Since it doesn't have a corporeal form, it's clearly an emitted nen beast
>>289528011>not symbioticThe conditions are clear, Meruem does ZERO damage
>>289528175All the Benjamin guys talk about in terms of what regular guys can accomplish. First come, first served is wrt guys like Illumi. But even illumi probably wouldn't be able to manipulate a guy like Youpi to good effect. Maybe a little. Meruem is way off the board, he's got incredible reserves that a piddly manipulator wouldn't be able to dent. See >>289528011
>>289528175It's funny how unsubtle this is at trying to make a carve-out for Halkenburg
>>289528212Is there any example or allusion in the story to manipulators finding it harder to control users with stronger nen?
My hatsu, called "forget me not" is a post mortem curse where any random person who witnesses my death and does not remember me once every day will be cursed, doesn't need to be a fond recollection, could curse me too, just don't forget.After the first day they fail to recall me, every night they sleep, I will slowly grow out of their body, hidden through such potent In that no one can sense me even with gyo, slowly consuming a degree of nen to sustain my growth, though if the nen supply is halted for any reason I will enter stasis, they will not feel, hear or see me as I prepare to be fully reborn and rip myself out from them, but as I grow stronger I can deeply affect my host's subconscious, like intrusive oppressive thoughts, slightly altered memories that will need deep meditation to correct, implanting bits of myself within their memories as an old friend for example.Based on how poweful my host is, I can dictate how fast I'd like to return, with the quickest being 2 nights of siphoning nen, but aggressive drainage may hurt my host unless they are strong enough, so I'd typically opt for a slow drip feed as I play with their psyche.Once I am ready, I will begin separating from their body, the host is forced into zetsu during this process and hit with immense brainfog for a while which would allow me time to recollect myself post-separation and the host's confusion adds to my ability to play on their memories.Those I am born from will permanently feel a sense of innate closeness or extreme familiarity in my presence, regardless of whether they think that I am an enemy. I cannot grow from the same person twice, and if my host dies whilst I am growing, I also die, but if necessary, I give aura if they are at risk of dying, I can add onto their sixth sense and alert my host to any risks and such, even provide strangely perceptive advice as "their thoughts"Im a lonely nigger so i thought how could I twist my wish for close friends into a nen ability
I miss them so much bros.
>>289528175Stop playing dumb, anon.
>>289528407They've killed thousands
>>289528363Its never been tried. Every manipulator we've seen have manipulated mooks or has enough raw aura (shalnark, illumi) to make manipulation possible or guaranteed. Zushi would not be able to manipulate netero except with enormous conditions. Just like he would not be able to hurt him with an emissions attack except with enormous conditions. That's the deal, that's how these things work. Youpi fought with Shoot for a while. Got attacked a whole lot and got a tiny little thing stolen from him. That also goes to show the difficulty in shoot's ability of manipulation and how much work he would need to manipulate the whole of Youpi = almost impossible difficulty. The function of manipulation is that your nen is mixed into the target. A small amount of nen would not be able to control a large target. That's just logic.
>>289528539What if I'm a Manipulator and I have STRONG NEN
>>289528616If you have strong nen you can do whatever you want. See guys like Zeno and Razor. Or indeed Illumi. Shalnark is mid tier and not included.
>>289525737Dude this pic... It's not normal how hot it is I swear...
>>289525021>>289525023https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjIdTCiKRyQ
>>289528456Thousands more must die.
>>289528616Shaiapouf...
>>289528363Not a single one. That anon is just making up his own DBZ style rules for manipulation. >>289528175Meruem does zero damage, and then Muteking wears off and the target disintegrates on the spot after the forced Zetsu.
>>289528113I think I know which one you mean but I don't have my hard drive with me.Sorry anon, take this Mito instead.
>>289528616What if I'm a Manipulator and I have STRONG MEN?
>>289528824Why is illumi's "special needles" a shame to use? Why does illumi even have a "special" needle when manipulation, in your opinion, is more like magic and not a nen attack like any other?Why doesn't illumi just use a single tiny needle if that is all that is necessary? Why does he use several, depending on use? Why does he need to implant victims with a single, extremely potent needle if he wants nen zombies? The answer is obvious= nen amount matters when talking about nen. Nen amount matters because you can have too little. If you want the good effect you want as much as you can possibly get.The flip side is that you can have too little because the target has too much. See Meruem.
>>289528011I would have stronger Nen than him btw.
o my grandpa dragon dive isnt a nen beast because it has no autonomy/mind but if it had then it would be. An emmited nen beast, if you will.
>>289528987Gorillas are emitted. Razors devils might be emitted. Complex beings aren't emitted. Biscuits power is conjured (her cream is transmuted). Netero's statue is conjured (it needs to be rigid).
>>289528987It is emitted aura that's transmuted into the body/shape of a dragon. If it was conjured it would be a nen beast with a nen ability of it's own.
>>289525021>Ends bromance between Nobunaga and Hinrigh>Pisses off guy with inferior version of Bungee GumWhat is Bonolenov's end goal here?
>>289529024This is the correct take. Point is that nen beasts can be non-conjuring, its just that conjured nen beasts get to be much more elaborate and complex.
>>289529024>Netero's statue is conjuredIt is transmuted to have features of the Buddha statue, and to have Netero's own physical capabilities, such as speed and strength.
>>289524774Her shapeshifting worries me.
>>289529082Have you tried the nen medicine drug
>>289524725Theorizing about hxh has became useless...too many variables, NPCs, diferent plots... I'll just read and enjoy llike a true Clownchad
>>289529194If you feel the need to announce it, you're going to keep being a shithead regardless of what you say.
>>28952917810 year supply. That's pretty low.
>>289529063Makes more sense if it is a rigid statue with certain mechanics inscribed to its use (move this way when I move this way). It is more mechanical than a "shape of nen" in the way the white gorilla and black gorilla are.
Soon
>>289529231gonna cry?
>>289528928>Why is illumi's "special needles" a shame to use? Why does illumi even have a "special" needle when manipulationThe answer is super obvious if you take a step back and think about this. What other manipulator treats their control tool like it's disposable? No other manipulator to date that uses an object as the conduit for their ability can just throw them away like Illumi does If Shalnark loses his two needles he's shit out of luck. So because Illumi never dedicates his ability to a single foci (as in a specific, singular object and not the theme) he needs to use more resources to achieve ironically less control. Shalnark's ability is full on coercive upon activation, the target is stripped of their will immediately. Illumi's needles range from Pseudo-coercive to full coercive depending on if they are regular needles and if he uses multiple needleman needles. When he stabbed that hunter in the face with normal needles, the guy was still struggling against the orders. And it took two needleman needles to force that one Zoldyck employee to drive Killua around without acting like a mindless zombie. Another indication that Illumi's precision with manipulation is actually weaker than Shalnarks is that he creates raging zombies with a single needleman needle. Both because he doesn't restrict himself to a single focus, and because he can spread his control over a lot of targets, this results in significantly weaker control. We also see this with Order Stamp as well because mass control results in more autonomy from the host. So the reason he stabs himself and fills certain needles with aura is to "show his resolve". It makes those needles more special even though they are sill disposable like the rest, and still generate weaker precision compared to other manipulation abilities with a single one. Which is why he needed more of them just to achieve what Shal can do with just needle of his own.
>>289525573My big problem with this theory is that it makes Cammy's GSB the most powerful one we've seen so far. Which would mean Cammy is a more powerful and competent person then she is being portrayed.
Total clown supremacy btw
Maor is this arc's sleeper hit, he's gonna do great things
>>289529059>Pisses off guy with inferior version of Bungee GumGive Zakuro enough blood bags coupled with STRONG NEN and he will pull Hisoka level feats.
>>289524798Not to be a party-pooper but you're mostly just saying "thing happening once is setup for thing happening a second time." I'm not sure how that qualifies as setup, it's just a thing happening twice.The teleportation point is more explicit. Phinks says a teleporter needs to mark their exit, then the chapter ends with Fugetsu on Tier 3. You're supposed to make the connection right then and there in that chapter. However some fans refused because they didn't think Fugetsu's GSB counted as teleportation since she has to crawl through extradimensional space. But then Togashi later explains she does need to visit exit locations. If you explain it to the reader's face, can it really count as setup? Setup for the letters, I guess, but the letters haven't really mattered. They were an ends to a mean.Yushohi also complained about En back in his first appearance, before Phinks did. Both of his internal monologues were incredibly similar.>>289527707Second-track Faker is how people translate nisenmono, the illegitimate bastards. He's just wondering if Morena is using the opportunity of the succession contest to rebel and overthrow the monarchy.
Are there any third-track fakers?
>>289529449His blood manipulation ability is much more flexible than it seems, he's just stupid.
>>289529469>. Phinks says a teleporter needs to mark their exit, then the chapter ends with Fugetsu on Tier 3.not that anon, but we have two unaccounted nen beasts that were presented in the original reveal and one of them is a worm-like creature threading it's way around the ship. This one is widely speculated to be Fuugetsu's creature before it becomes effectively invisible but still functional. Tserri's personal nen beast acts like this as well, visible upon activation but invisible afterwards. If this creature moving around counts as Marking, then it explains how she got to tier 3 despite never being there. It also explains how Fuu was moving around on her own when her manic phase began. The reason we think she needs to further mark locations is because she's now being coached by a nen user operating on normal rules who doesn't know about this invisible beast. But arguably she could always go to Luzurus' room because her creature has had enough time to work its way through the whole ship. And it's maybe possible that Melody and Nencho already know about this and are simply playing Kaiser like a fiddle by pretending that they are marking locations by delivering those letters.
>>289529577>the GSB itself may be independently markingI hadn't thought of that, very interesting point.nta
Togashi still hasn't introduced the sixth track fakers we are not even halfway done
Only 38 hours until the leaks. I swear, if nothing happens next chapter I might just... I don't know... drop HxH. Go on without me bros.
>>289529577The jellyfish belong to Camilla
>>289529676Its hanging on by a thread for me. The latest Furykov/Benjamin scene was very awkward and essentially foretold narrative doom for me. Could easily end up in disaster if handled wrong. And could ... ruin ... enjoyment
>>289529638Yeah, it's still not a teleportation ability. But it seems that Fuugetsu and any guests are traveling inside of her creature. And this creature can only go places she or itself has gone. Give it enough time and she should be able to travel anywhere in the world although it's a coin-toss on how long that would take to happen. It was she and her sister's fantasy to go globe hopping with their little game, and we know abilities like Sale-Sale's could eventually infect everyone given enough time so it's not impossible. >>289529718Yeah, it also fits with the aquatic theme her GSB is shown to have. It's some kind of mass control ability probably activated by her ego and orders. Shame she's so fixated on her cat that she didn't bother to experiment while she was surrounded by a bunch of nen users that could at least have monitored her guardian spirit.
>>289529751I want to enter Fuugetsu's magic tunnel
>>289529400we're winning bros!
>>289529349Nta but I think all of Illumi's needles are "special'. He sticks them in his vest and they pierce his flesh, and they probably need to be charged with aura over a period of time, so even one represents an investment. I don't think he can just stick someone with an ordinary needle and manipulate them. It's likely that the # of needles he uses on someone determines the degree of control he has over them. So just one needle makes for a deranged zombie, but when he killed the dons, the guy he used to give the fake announcement had a ton of needles in the back of his head
>>289529828Sometimes I get tired of winning then I remember that spidersissies exist and become grateful to god for making me a clownCHAD
>>289529734I blame every scene that has Kurapika or Oito in it, the unnecessary ability explanations instead of action, and of course lots of fucking dialogue when instead shit should be happening after the announcement of martial law. I'm not talking about good dialogue that moves the story forward like Bork and Morena, but Yushohi and the old guy from last chapter, plus more Kurapika slop. Usually in HxH we'd get action first, and then as the battle goes on an ability would be explained mid battle. I liked it like that.
>>289529787Naughty anon
>>289528175Speaking of SBR, Muteking on paper is a marginally better invincibility state ability, until you receive the blowback. 20th CB would be an absolute dogshit hatsu in HxH, let alone the SW and it's actually inferior to 'Sweet Home' as well.
Shota Chrollo selling his body to dirty old men to fund his dark web project
>>289529349My argument is that the amount he's using corresponds to aura amount. Because the amount of aura you can pour into an object is directly responsible for the degree of control you can exert.Because manipulation abilities is just like any other nen attack. It can be blocked with sufficient nen. Zushi would never be able to control someone as well as Illumi unless he used hefty (and I mean hefty) conditions to increase his aura amount. Your argument really doesn't refute my basic point.
>>289528777Lmao the artist fucked up Hisokas face
>>289529906I blame kurapika only in that his scenes bully out other characters. If Benjamin had a chapter to himself where he came to terms with his predicament and furykov's allegiance it'd be fine. Right now togashi has turbo compressed the entire thing into an exchange lasting a few pages. Far too short time to do anything. Opens up the door to numerous plot holes and Out-of-character actions dictating play.
>>289529960Don't question their style anon. At least it's not AI slop.
>>289529934How the fuck is 20th century worse when you are invincible with not blowback?
>>289529830>Nta but I think all of Illumi's needles are "special'. HWe don't see him using his self-impaled needles for other situations. The needleman ones are specifically the ones with the larger bead at the end but his normal needles don't have this. And he also comments to Hisoka that he doesn't normally use them so they are at the very least not his default option. How he empowers his other needles is up in the air but he most likely just has to keep them on his person for a while. >>289529947>Because manipulation abilities is just like any other nen attack. It can be blocked with sufficient nen.This directly contradicts the story itself where it's just conditions that matter and not aura amount. Weaker people can control stronger people just like weaker people can teleport stronger targets. The latter has already been proven and the former is the extension of that logic. Your basic point is that manipulation acts like DBZ powerlevels and the story does not support this even once. I addressed your Illumi argument but you conveniently never bothered to engage with it which I think is telling.
>>289529976Pretty much. The more time he wastes on Kurapika, the less we see other plotlines getting fleshed out. The worst aspect of Kurapika's character is that every new information he introduces needs to be pondered over for at lest 10 pages per chapter, meaning 50 plus text bubbles, exhausting every logical possibility of how this new info might be received. I mean is that fucking necessary? Leave a bit to the imagination. It's like you told me it's gonna rain today, and I write a 600 page doctorate on what might happen during the rainfall. Really, all we needed was 3 pages for the baby swap info, not 40.
>>289530071My assertion is that manipulation is a nen attack like any other. We just have never had an example where a weak manipulator fails to control a stronger target. We have however had nen attacks fail due to lack of strength. See Pokkle. Had he been a manipulator, the result would've been the exact same. A massive mismatch in strength will have this result. Nen users use conditions to directly increase the amount of nen available for any one goal. This concept is introduced by izunavi when Kurapika's chains are introduced. Re-read the chapter. All is toward the goal of obtaining Strong Nen. illumi's way of using needles works solely for this goal. As is any other nen user.
>>289525278It would be cool if Tyson's taboo is misgendering people willingly. They get destroyed by an emitted aura blast from the nen tax stored by their GSB
>>289530079The problem is that the story stalls so much so the possible negative consequences of togashi's plotting haven't occurred yet. Actually nothing much has occurred yet. This means there's a bunch of possible issues that could crop up in the future. Furykov most recently. For me, this causes a fair amount of stress. Enjoyment is no longer on my mind. The entire thing, the way it is presented and plotted gives me stress.
I luv Bisky
>>289524725reminder
>>289530285>>289530079If togashi simply turned into a degenerate storyteller that has lost his touch, it would be easier to dismiss the entire thing. I'd be able to get on with my life. Living in this interstitial space where the story could go to shit at any moment is far more stressful. Most of all I'd like to have confidence in the story and that seems to be the thing that Togashi will deny me at any cost necessary. He refuses to move on with the thing.
>>289530235>My assertion is that manipulation is a nen attack like any otherThis contradicts multiple statements and examples from within the story stating it's not. The same is true for teleportation, people know that power disparity doesn't matter it's just conditions and triggers. >Had he been a manipulator, the result would've been the exact sameThis is your headcanon>Nen users use conditions to directly increase the amount of nen available for any one goal. This has not been stated to influence manipulation abilities. Range and precision of control are controlled by scope of ability and conditions. >All is toward the goal of obtaining Strong Nen. illumi's way of using needles works solely for this goal. As is any other nen user.Illumi's needles have the same caveat as Order Stamp. Sacrificing precision for wider control so he compensates by creating more special needles. Since you refuse to debate his point I'll assume you just won't bother having a full faith argument. But STRONG NEN hasn't been proven to overcome manipulation since the one example in text was a manipulator not manipulating himself before being shot. Maybe we'll see something different with the next chapter since Muteking is a pseudo-coercive ability, but since it has a stated weakness towards symbiotic abilities this might be a clusterfuck of an argument.
>>289530363Show me those "multiple statements and examples" within the story then. What do you think coercive nen attacks are? Why do you think they need needles and such to pour nen into targets? Zushi could just wish that Meruem was manipulated and he would be? Why doesn't everyone just use manipulation if it is absolute? "Manipulation is absolute and also unblockable and also instantly wins every fight" would mean everyone should learn it at all costs
I trust togashi as long as he is alive he will deliver
>>289530285Lucky you. I'm just bored. At this point I couldn't care less who lives or dies because too much time was wasted on talking. Now I'm just happy anyone dies just so something would happen. That's not good, because caring for the characters means emotional involvement. It's bad direction to strip the readers of that. If you asked me last batch I'd be excited to see Ben persevere till the bitter end, Halk fail a little and for Camilla to die. Now I don't even fucking care which one of them wins or dies because I've been so traumatized by all the babble that I'll take just about anything. I don't even care about Fugetsu anymore, that's how much the story tested my patience. Togashi needs to realize that no one gives a fuck about Oito or the baby.
>>289530472Genthrublockingpunches.webm
>>289530071>This directly contradicts the story itself where it's just conditions that matter and not aura amount>Your basic point is that manipulation acts like DBZ powerlevels and the story does not support this even once.Not him but... lol LMAO
>>289530349Yeah, the story's still good but the pacing is criminal.
>>289524798>O MY RUBBER NEN was a setup for all the postmortem nen abilities used by the Princes.correction: all the subsequent postmortem abilities are meant to dilute hisoka's deux ex machina by de-sensationalizing it.
It seems like manipulation is absolute, but the conditions for using a manipulator ability are strict enough that they're very hard to pull off against a skilled nen user. I think the best example of manipulation against a powerful opponent is Shoot vs Youpi. Shoot's ability was able to successfully cage part of Youpi's body, it was just practically irrelevant because Youpi was too powerful for Shoot to trap completely. So it's clearly possible in theory; just impractical in practice.
>>289524798So when does Ging come and tell us about nen rituals?
>>289530513>Togashi needs to realize that no one gives a fuck about Oito or the baby.Why do idioits think they speak for the entire fanabase?It's only on this site. On other sites most people go "yeah i dont like it". On this site retards go "WE dont like it".Is it a mental illness?
>>289530442>Show me those "multiple statements and examples" within the story then.Shalnark and he ant discussing and showing First come, First serves are practical. Pouf and he ants concerned Meruem could be teleported awayHisoka's more knowledgeable statement that once conditions are met, a manipulator will control a targetBalsamilco's more knowledgeable arguments about why Shikaku diedThe fact that we've seen FCFS in practice is all I really need but you have to now show me proof that manipulation operates on powerlevels. >What do you think coercive nen attacks are?Attacks that assume direct control of the target. >Why do you think they need needles and such to pour nen into targets? Illumi and Shalnark use needles because they need to stick their targets. Illumi however only targets the head but Shalnark can hit anywhere on the body. This also hints at a difference in skill and control but not about amounts of aura. Do you not think the ant Shalnark fought was stronger than him? The only reason he failed to control Pel was because FCFS was in effect>Zushi could just wish that Meruem was manipulated and he would be? Why doesn't everyone just use manipulation if it is absolute?You have lost the plot if you read all I had to say about Illumi and Order Stamp, and think that a contactless manipulation ability would "just werk" on Meruem. At best we've seen Melody's ability work on anyone that hears it but the extend of her control constitutes paralysis. Free Bear could control Meruem if he answered 'yes' twice to both questions which he wouldn't. >"Manipulation is absolute and also unblockable and also instantly wins every fight"Retards like you who try and make things all or nothing disgust me. Some manipulation abilities still have to contend with physical and aura defense. Others that ignore those take more steps and don't guarantee control.
>>289530521If a Manipulator has a mind control ability and he gets you it's game over. He already used the aura to create the ability. Their items matter too.
>>289530618Anon, if you can find me 3 people in this thread who read this manga for Oito and her baby I'll twerk for you. I'm not saying the baby swap shouldn't be addressed, I'm saying the author shouldn't waste this many pages and panels on it. That's all physical and time-based material that would be better invested in other plotlines.
>>289530686So it is mental illness?
I want to have brown babies with Morena.
If you can pierce someone's skull with a needle it goes without saying you could kill them without using a nen ability
>>289530521This doesn't refute anything funny enough. Wing in the first 4 panels is talking about enhancing an object and how aura correlates to size. This also matches the current arc where MORE aura is needed to control smaller objects like Hinrigh and Zakuro's abilities getting low fuel rates.Wing then says that on top of the aura cost needed to keep an object enhanced, Guido gave them commands. Which doesn't have a cost associated to them. So basically, if you want to enhance an object you need a proportional amount of aura alongside it. This makes sense when you think about how Shu works. It doesn't tell us how much aura is needed to control something though so you so this argument is back to square one regarding pro-STRONG NEN backed manipulation
>>289530686>>289530618Lotta people theorizing that Oito could be a Beyond baby.I even saw some schizo theory where tserridnich and Oito are actually siblings and Unma and another of the queens did several baby swaps years ago.
>>289525920something like it, yeah
>>289530513>no one gives a fuck about Oito or the baby.HxH sales says otherwise.
>>289530739>tserridnich and Oito are actually siblingsThat's a new one.
Okey the nen types and nen abilities of my group in the hxh rpg campaign I'm playing have been revealed.If anybody reply with genuine curiosity to this thread I will tell you about them.
>>289530739I's the same 3-4 people for the past few months posting the same shit, then trying to speak for the entire fanbase where each volume sells millions and 500k first week.3-4 people on a dying site, mind you.I can't tell if it's mental illness or they need to leave their bubble.
>>289530748HxH sells because people love the other characters, not the dumb baby.
>>289530779oops, meant for >>289530748
>>289530759Like I said it was schizo but the person who did it had done quite a bit of research. Do I think it’s likely at all? No it’s pretty schizo. I even mention it because I feel like a lot of the characters motives are still actually hidden and some of these people who aren’t seen as “players” will end up being bigger pieces of the game then the players
>>289530825>and some of these people who aren’t seen as “players” will end up being bigger pieces of the game then the playersIn next decade...maybe.
>>289530881Maybe I feel Togashi has 20 in him this time. If he could give us like 5-10 every 6 months I’d b happy
>>289530780(Fake) Woble and Oito are the Komugi of this arc, you're just going to have to learn to live with it
>>289530825>will end up being bigger pieces of the game then the playersOh good, then lets put panels that expose them as players. Let me see 20 pages of Oito admitting she fucked Ben or Halk and Wobble is actually Nasubi's grandkid, or Tserriednich is her brother or whatever you said, just anything but Kurapika theorizing for 40 chapters on what the king and the authorities will do if they find out le bebe isn't on the boat. My point is once you tell me the baby was swapped, that's it. Let it marinade and let me enjoy the reveal. Don't drown me in all the babble when you could have used those pages on Ben vs Camilla, or Bono meeting Hisoka, Chrollo meeting the person from the phone ability, or fuck even Luzurus just walking through tier 3. Or how about the Spiders breaching the Heil-ly hideout finally? No, it's more Kurapika theorizing or how a single piece of information may be received in the future. What ever happened to show don't tell?>>289530881Exactly.
>>289530907Komugi was cute and a character. We cared for her. I cannot stomach another panel with Oito in it and I don't give a shit about her. Hope she gets raped and decapitated, and it's not even due to her sucking as a character, just her material wasting my precious time and patience without giving me any reason to be emotionally involved in her predicament.
>>289525809Togashi wanted to kill Machi first but changed his mind.
>>289530994Most normal spic.
>>289530686>Anon, if you can find me 3 people in this thread who read this manga for OitoWhat is this absolutely retarded way of thinking?
>>289530994>Hope she gets raped and decapitated,>just her material wasting my precious timeCalm down Kurapika...
>>289525809Bono ans shizuku are 100% dead
>>289530994Feitan...
>>289530994Lowest IQ poster itt.
>>289531132 Its funny how him and the other 3-4 fags post he exact same time. They wait until threads die down and are slow, usually a day or two before leaks. Because on leaks or chapter release days, they realize they'll easily get drowned out.
>>289525693Razor undoubtedly has STRONG NEN. But he has very basic nen abilities. He just summons dudes and throws nen balls at people. Hisoka's bungee gum is much more advanced, and texture surprise is very complex.What Knov does is insane. Morel's deep purple is impressive, but its not nen dimension and portals impressive. Genthru is probably on par with Hisoka because of Bomber. Its a joint type nen ability with complex conditions, sophisticated trigger system, and powerful effect. There is no way to make this a weak ability.
>>289525829Being the Nen equivalent of Magneto and turning off or forcibly activating people's Nen abilities at inopportune moments.
>>289531268>Hisoka's bungee gum is much more advancedBungee gum is ridiculously simple but ridiculously versatile for Hisokas fighting style.It is thanks to Hisoka high battle iq and high battle stats that bungee gum seems overpowered.
>>289530994Pikasisters...
>>289527183Ngl I really thought it was but manipulation fits better when you think about quantity and how he doesn't use it as a weapon or defense.
>>289531299Forcing people to expand their shoko points, fucking with their aura control, breaking their ken/ryu and forcing them into ren, makin them burn aura like crazy.Could be an OP ability.
>>289525741>Is my years of headcanon built upon headcanon wrong?>no, it is Togashi who is wrong.
>>289531532Miniature rose
>>289531529You are a dum dum if you think Togashi never retconned his own ideas or expanded things that he didn't previously thought off.
>>289530650>ants vs shalnarkJust a case of similar strength manipulators working against each otherAn object already reinforced with nen will be tougher to break for a manipulator. Has been shown to be defunct in this arc versus a strong enough opposition. When Benjamin mentions "group nen" you can just infer Meruem and the RG work on similar levels. Being teleported away just works like stepping through a door. It doesn't actually act on the person in any way. Conditions are met = strong nenYou have brought no proof that manipulation abilities ignore nen defense. Its obvious they do not. Or manip users would see no reason to have such steep conditions to their use. That's the essential baseline in using coercive nen, or else you would have too little nen to work with. Why? Because total aura amount is crucial to exert control.
>>289531303Its complex in that he is making a meta material that combines properties of two different substances. If you follow the logic of bungee gum to the core, it becomes baffling and paradoxical. Its so complex that its better to just think "bungee gum has the properties of rubber and gum :^)"
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>>289531529Unironically yes. I dont have to listen to ancillary nonsense he released when he was old and busted. I truly dont.
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>>289531623You are even dumber if you disregard the nen chart and unironically think "Togashi is wrong." Its hubris to the point of mental retardation.
>>289531771Why shouldn't I disregard the nen chart? It is obviously wrong. Authors have been wrong before. See Voerhoeven wrt 'Starship Troopers'. Authors are just human. Which means they make human mistakes. They don't understand what they built. They have emotional attachments to certain ideas and so on.
>>289530736Is a bit inconsistent that aura amount matters for "how much you punch / damage" but doesn't count for "effective mind control".But whatever.
>>289531532Sex
>>289531849>Authors have been wrong before. See Voerhoeven wrt 'Starship Troopers'.Huh? Verhoeven adapted Heinlein's book as a satire, he was intentionally making fun of the stuff Heinlein wrote seriously
>>289530686based, I hope baby x baby is over and done with
>>289531736>>289531849What exactly is the problem with the chart? Let's hear it, since you know the system better than the author.
>>289531849Its not obviously wrong. I'm honestly saying this, not just for rhetoric. Literally nothing in that chart conflicted with my understanding of nen. I thought Netero was an emitter, him being an enhancer is fine too. There isn't a single thing on that chart which doesn't make sense. Like you said, humans make mistakes, you made mistakes, its a (you) problem.
>>289531623>>289531849>Knuckle is emitter fag, again, cryingKWAB
Would you let him teach you how to swim, anon?
>>289530994Factical Trvthnvke
>>289531959He still made an effective propaganda piece for the federation. He unknowingly or not made it so that the hero was attractive and effective, the viewer is guided towards appreciation of the federation. The "fakeness" works against the satire, allowing the user to "ironically" approach authoritarianism and enjoy it whole heartedly from a safe distance. The source material won, the author lost. Or he knew, and is lying, and you shouldn't trust authors when they're interviewed.The only thing that matters is the actual text, the actual image you see before you. In this case the same goes for the stupid nen chart, something made decades after the relevant character were introduced. I do know knuckle better than togashi at this point, because I read it yesterday while his head has been filled with SW faggotry and old age for a literal decade since he last glanced at the character. >>289531976He goes against his own presentation. Especially wrt Knov. "Nen mansion" is a conjuration ability as shown by the story. That Togashi decides to reinvent it as an emission ability is his mistake. The wording is unmistakable here.
>>289531529>AI slop version of an existing meme???
>>289532031Considering he's a star's sea hunter currently charting his own private ship for the Hunter Association's real DK expedition, yeah he's probably a good teacher
>>289532110Maybe Verhoeven was just too subtle for the American audience lmao
Vetoed and loved
>>289532110Emitters can conjure things, you have no idea whats going on with the nen mansion. You don't understand nen.
2 days
>>289525809From most likely to survive, to least likely:Machi 90% (makes things interesting plot armor, Hisoka sideplot, bad guy's love-interest plot armor)Kalluto 90% (little kid, zoldyck plot armor)Nobunaga 80% (Kurapika and Morena plot armor, comic-relief plot armor)Illumi 70% (hasn't done shit yet plot armor, muh big ass ambition plot armor)Those with the least likelihood to survive:Franklin 50% (dicking around in tier 5 eating burgers plot armor, could still die to the mafia as retaliation for Lynch)Chrollo 40% (still smart and resourceful, might be on the brink of death but still survive due to some bullshit like Kurapika forgiving him and taking the bullet for him asspull, you know the classic, but since he prepared for his own death he's more likely to die, at least from the current perspective)Phinks 30% (has no side-plot plot armors, but has his best bud Feitan protecting his ass)Feitan 30% (BDSM sucker for pain and punishment, might straight out kill himself just for the release)Shizuku 20% (Neon's prediction might still turn out to be wrong and she lives)Bonolenov 1% (if he survives I'll eat my own ass)
>>289532196Conjurers can emit things. The question is, which comes first? The mansion, or the portal? Going by the presentation: the mansion is the main "mover" of the ability. The portals are an afterthought. The difficult part is making sure the mansion functions in the fifth dimension. The portals connect to the mansion. The name of the ability references the conjured space. It is presented as a conjured ability. His personality fits the conjurer personality scheme (like kurapika, not like leorio). The user is more frail, more brainy. Compare with knuckle. He doesn't use direct force at all, ever. Its a conjuration ability. Togashi made a mistake. These things happen, since togashi is a human being.
>>289532123(It’s so the /a/ mods don’t ban him for posting something not anime related, but the Ai slop did a terrible job of making Skinner look anime so he will probably still get banned)
>>289532162Doesn't matter how "subtle" you'd like him to be. The work speaks for itself. That is "death of the author" in a nutshell. People can 'say' a great many things but this information is ancillary and can safely be discarded. The main focus for analysis should always be the main body of work.
Why did killua have to screw Zepile like that
>>289528113This one?
>>289532110>Especially wrt Knov. "Nen mansion" is a conjuration ability as shown by the story. I don't get what you're talking about. Most complex Hatsu combine multiple Nen types. Creating the room isn't the impressive part of Knov's ability. The impressive part is how he combines it with teleportation, which is obviously an application of Emission.His offensive ability, scream, is also an Emission attack. So I don't really understand what the problem is.
>>289532437Yeah but there was a small zushi with a needle in the corner or something g
>>289532327>death of the authorOh you fucking retard, you've heard a phrase used by the structuralists and now you think it's holy writ rather part of a very specific schema used by the school of resentment decades before you were born and completely ignored by any serious literary studies conducted today.I'm done with you.
>>289532365He wanted to get it over with as quickly as possible and if Zepile was still in it there's a good chance Netero would've forced them to compete in another round. He wasn't injured badly and he can reapply if he wants, and it'll be way safer now that Cheadle is the chairman
>>289532437lmao
>>289532231Cammy is first
>>289532365This is why Zepile is going to join the troupe when Chrollo finds him on the boat
>>289532501>>289532483>>289532437Oh he's there I didn't even see him lmao
>>289532483Meleoron + Manipulator that knows how to use shu and ko could no diff any royal guard in one hit under "absolute nen" interpretation by the way
>>289529194>clowncuck is a brainletIt is known
>>289528616>What if I'm a Manipulator and I have STRONG NENThen you can even overcome "first come, first served".The debate is unironically settled.
>>289532485Explain why it is wrong to solely base your analysis on the raw work without introducing such nebulous terms like what the author "thinks" or "feels" when that is already evident within the work. It's a good device for literary analysis. It serves its purpose. As I said, humans make mistakes, they grow old and decadent.
>>289532546
>>289532447I'm saying that as far as CA togashi was concerned, he was introducing a conjuration ability. This is based on the presentation, wording and overall aesthetic choices when presenting the ability. That he changed his mind later is another thing.
>>289532586> characters theorizing in universe knowledge> is the same an absolute lawi'm not 100% strong nen chad, nor a 100% absolute nen chad, my take is a mix of bothbut you are a brainletany character theory and hypothesis is biased by their local experiencemost abilities are compared between human nen users and average aura pools between nen usersthey never saw someone like Netero nor a Royal Guard or Meruemtaking what a character says as an absolute law of the universe is a bad take
>>289532613A real man wouldn't spam his homoerotic crush on /a/
>>289532488I don't think he'll be able to become a hunter after all his organs were harvested
>>289532275>nu/a/ mods>doing their joblol, lmao
>>289532627It absolutely isn't a Conjuration ability first. No Conjurer can just randomly create a room in a literal "Nen pocket dimension", that concept would require Emission first.
>>289530071>This directly contradicts the story itself where it's just conditions that matter and not aura amount"Conditions" are just multipliers to the aura AMOUNT you stupid fucking faggot.I already destroyed you many times over the years over this subject.Let's take for example Kurapika's Chain Jail.It's not a "special chain" with "special conditions". It's a chain with enough CONDITIONS that work as MULTIPLIERS to give it a stupid AMOUNT of Nen. And by having such an overwhelming AURA OUTPUT, it can instantly put any Spider in Zetsu.If "fulfilling muh conditions" was all that mattered, and Kurapika could make a "conceptually indestructible chain", he wouldn't have needed to test its strength against Nenless Uvogin.Mathematical equations make NO SENSE in a "conceptual" power system. They make sense in a quatifiable power system.Hunter x Hunter is not JJK.
>>289532178Imagine if we get one of them next chapter. Could an anon even dream of such a miracle?
>>289532798I don't think that his mansion need that much conjuration ability.Is basically just an empty room with no overly complex rules or reality bending properties.The heavy lifting is made by emission doing the portals to access and leave the mansion.
>>289531529why does skinner have such short arms, and why does he have 5 fingers on one hand in the top and 4 on the bottom
>imagine being a manipulator and only be able to manipulate small bugs because of your weak nenlol
>>289532798Why? You're starting from the standpoint that the fifth dimension doesn't exist until Knov creates it. My view is that the fifth dimension (obviously) already exists and Knov simply exploits this natural space by positioning his nen mansion there.
>>289532690He'll be fine
I need a cute nen user girl like Machi or Biscuit to make fun of me for having a small nen pool
>>289532900sorry but nen babes belong to high aura pool chads
>>289532814>Let's take for example Kurapika's Chain Jail.>It's not a "special chain" with "special conditions". It's a chain with enough CONDITIONS that work as MULTIPLIERS to give it a stupid AMOUNT of Nen. And by having such an overwhelming AURA OUTPUT, it can instantly put any Spider in Zetsu.
>>289532900>she sees your En
Kurapika
>>289532844It is a massive conjured object with numerous floors and doors. Its existence creates anchor points for emissions portals, facilitating emissions use. The heavy lifting is done by the mansion. An emissions-focused ability would have a smaller space and more portals. The amount of work needed to put down portals would be lesser. For example, that a portal would go to any exit point. See the portal ability seen in the SW arc. That's an emissions focused ability. Which is doing the heavy lifting in both wording and action? Its obviously not the portals, who are never the focus except briefly (scream).
>>289532856>My view is that the fifth dimension (obviously) already existsYou're just arguing semantics at this point. What a pointless discussion.
>>289532995We have seen 2 instances of pocket dimensions (emission + conjuration).Knov and the jobber in the whale.In both instances the user of the technique has been identified as an emitter.So the heavy lifting must be made by emission to make sense.
>>289532844Yeah, I have no idea why that's such a hard concept for the "muh wrong chart" schizo to grasp.It's also a one-time conjured room that can only be accessed through portals. It's entirely possible Knov spent years creating it, or imposed some kind of restriction to make the room bigger. At this point, it's just educated guesswork.
>Bisky was an examiner onceWhat was her test?
>>289533053You're working backwards from togashi's "explanation". I'm saying that explanation makes no sense and no one has refuted my points yet. >>289533093You haven't refuted my point regarding the presentation. Why does the wording specify the room and not the portals. Why do the portals only work when connecting to the room? He cannot teleport except to this room. It's obvious the creation of the room came first, the portals came second.
>>289532271Well I'm thinking about it. The primary effect of Knov's ability is teleportation. The mansion isn't making the portals. He had to of made a portal first because >step 1: make nen dimension like Cheetu >step 2: now you are trapped in your nen dimension because there is no exit condition (that we know of)He had to of made a portal to exit the mansion before making the mansion, because of the way the master key works.
Killua said that Knov and Morel were stronger than Hisoka and Illumi. I think this puts them close enough to STRONG NEN that they can do whatever the fuck they want regardless of category with minimal conditions.
>>289533134Brutal physical training. Like digging through a mountain or whatever else
>>289531894>Is a bit inconsistent that aura amount matters for "how much you punch / damage" but doesn't count for "effective mind control".It's just different applications of nen. It's not like STRONG NEN lets someone overcome perception blocking like Meleron's ability. >>289532814>Let's take for example Kurapika's Chain Jail.It is a conjured chain, reinforced with aura born from Kurapika's multipliers, and with a special effect of forcing members of the troupe into zetsu. If he didn't stake his life he couldn't reinforce the chain as much but the forced zetsu would apply regardless. I don't know what conversations you had in the past but Izunavi didn't outline every single facet and nuance of nen with that one flashback. Because according to him, invincible conjured objects cannot exist and we have two examples in the story.
>>289530345Based
>>289533134probably something stupid like Menchi where she judged contestants on how well they could dress up dolls
>>289533148>wait y-you are going against p-pariston-sama?! NO NO NO IM NOT HELPING YOU YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN NOW I WAS NEVER STRONG!kek morel is a fraud
>>289525573If thats true then Benjamin is walking straight into a trap.
>>289533183Biscuit treats physical training as a religious matter, even above nen training.
>>289533148Read that panel very carefully esl.
>>289533229I'm hoping Benjamin pulls through. He's a genuine threat by himself.These small tricks and traps should be beneath him. The Justice bureau needs to be fucking purged most of all. True scumbags. Not a single prince should tolerate their existence.
>>289532641Characters aren't real people spouting random thoughts.Every single line in the manga was deliberately put there by Togashi, with a narrative purpose.Benjamin's thoughts there aren't supposed to be dubious interpretations of broader concepts of Nen. Those thoughts are there to show Benjamin coming to an understanding about the nature of Halkenburg's attack.That an ability as strong as his could overcome "first come, first served" is not being treated as a point of contention from a narrative standpoint.>most abilities are compared between human nen users and average aura pools between nen users>they never saw someone like Netero nor a Royal Guard or MeruemYes, that's precisely why STRONG NEN is a thing.It's the recognition that all abilities have limits to them. It's the only correct interpretation of Izunavi's lesson (who narratively existed only as a nameless Nen authority)."You can't make unbreakable chains... but you can come very close."You can't make an invicibility ability.. but you can come very close (it won't be able to stop STRONG NEN - that's literally said by the narrator).
>>289533183She isn't like that at all though
>>289533229Did they explain what was the message in the letter that the princes received? I don't remember if it was revealed or not
>>289533169>It's not like STRONG NEN lets someone overcome perception blocking like Meleron's ability.If someone with STRONG NEN made an ability that boosted their senses, it could overcome Meleoron's ability.
>>289533148Pitou strong
>>289533169>Because according to him, invincible conjured objects cannot exist and we have two examples in the story.No, they are "essentially indestructible", which lines up perfectly with what Izunavi says:>"You can't make unbreakable chains... but you could come very close."If Kurapika could make unbreakable chains, he would have.>but muh Yokotani!"Alluka, destroy those robots.""Aye."And there you go, they are not truly invincible.
>>289533344STRONG THIGHS?
>>289533262>Every single line in the manga was deliberately put there by Togashi, with a narrative purpose.sorry anonyou don't understand the difference between character knowledge and the universal laws of the fiction
>>289533367Halkenburg and 100+ guys would be immune to the robots as well. They'd essentially disintegrate at touch
>>289533290Each letter was different to stoke other princes against each other. I wonder what prince benjamins secret was. A closeted homosexual perhaps.
>>289533229I’m a big fan of the furykov manipulation theory . My only problem is it makes Benjamin seem extra retarded . He poses no question to furykov during the reveal. He doesn’t even make a fuss about the beyond baby stuff. I don’t care if he only has 12 hours to live and is slightly delusional, at least be somewhat apprehensive or shocked
>>289533443Benj's secret was that he had a child IIRC
>>289533393HUH?!
>>289530006You have to render yourself immobile.
>>289533488It's possible he's known Furykov personally for years, which could be the main reason for that level of trust, alongside other factors.Also, he's not dumb, just coping. He can't afford to kill Furykov either, because Furykov's ability would strengthen his post-mortem Nen Beast state.
>>289533443All these plots are just supremely gay. Small and petty machinations to manipulate. I'm speaking from the heart here, as I did before: the Justice Bureau must die. Every single adherent put to the sword as well as their families. [誅連九族]Execution of nine family relations. Nothing else is deserved from these conniving eunuch scum. Not only total betrayal of the state and its succession, destroying the basis to form a new government and risking total anarchy and dissolution of the state, but also concerted effort to undermine a nation and people at the behest of outside forces. An enormous betrayal.
>>289532447>>289532627>>289532995This whole debate is an exercise of madness.Back when the CA arc was being released, Togashi listed Knov as a Conjurer, and Knuckle as an Emitter.>the databook wasn't written by Togashi!!Oh yeah? So how did they know Netero's, Nobunaga's and Milluki's categories - when they hadn't showed literally anything?But here's the smoking gun: How did they know the impossibly autistic spelling of the names?How did they know characters' birthdays, that were later confirmed by Togashi?Those who understand this subject deep down know the truth: the information on the databook WAS provided by Togashi.Togashi CHANGED HIS MIND when he released that updated Nen chart. He RETCONNED their categories.The debate is not whether there was a retcon or not. The debate is where we should accept the retcon or not.
I'm beginning to feel like a nen god nen godall my people from the front to the back nod back nod
>>289533621>woble being god knows where fucks ben's entire plan uphe just can't stop getting fucked over by milfs
>>289533592What the fuck are you talking about? Kakin is literally Epstein Chinussia. The justice system supports western democracy. Every reader should support a justice department coup. Either Halkenburg or a justice department puppet should win.
>>289533520
>>289533668The justice system is in the hands of Beyond who isn't a real standup guy either
>>289533593And here's food for thought:Togashi retcons things presented IN THE MANGA, why wouldn't he retcon information that was only provided on outside material?
>>289533654I dont think he would be able to kill all the others before himself dying anyway so its moot. He might not even get a single one kek. Maybe Tyson.
>>289530006You're only invincible as long as you stay still, like >>289533530 said. Sure, the opponent cannot damage you, however you're essentially a sitting duck that can be moved around and can be put in a situation where deactivating the stand will instantly kill you, like how Magenta Magenta was ultimately defeated
>>289533530That's not really an issue you can you stop moving for a second to dmc royal guard any damage. The only reason he lost it's because he got underwater
>>289533694He’s a man of the people, he tried to get the head of justice to revise shit so that the people are equal to the royals
>>289525573I think my only problem with this theory is that Camilla never explicitly meets Kaiser. You're right that there is a time and place where it makes sense form Camilla to have met him, but it's a story detail we weren't given in an arc that's been pretty consistent about showing the big moves by the princes on screen. We've gotten pov insight into virtually all the other princes plans which makes Camilla the odd one out if she's running a manipulation game along side her curse squad scheme.
>>289533668Nonsensical. A king can simply disregard the meat sacrifice and black magic side and kill all the mafias. They are a king with total power. Kakin's system enables total rejuvenation between kings. It is incredibly free in this regard. There's absolutely no indication that a Justice bureau puppet/beyond controlled Kakin would stop with the human sacrifice and black magic. After all, the entire coup attempt by beyond is powered by human sacrifice, child sacrifice and guided missile black magic curses that are inhumanly evil and super powered blood magic. Their methods are evil and small. They exploit the weakness in humans. A king would never be able to excuse their existence. Kaiser's head needs to be on a spit. The first royal decree should be proscription on Beyond himself, who is a state traitor of the most heinous degree.
>>289533593Togashi retconned milky existing ABSOLUTELY BRUTAL
>>289533698Huh what's the retcon here?
>>289531268>What Knov does is insane. agreed, which makes it even dumber that togashi but both hisoka AND FUCKING GENTHRU above him in nen proficency. Like huh?? What makes Genthru such a good conjurer? Because Knov hatsu is more impressive conjuration wise and he is in the opposite side of the nen chart lmao
>>289533788Texture surprise first needs a medium (blanket, paper) to work on skin. It only works on surfaces. Then hisoka can create the appearance of skin and face straight on auraIts a retcon
>>289533820nen after death gets more powerful :)
>>289533698Damn, so the baby swap was a retcon too huh. Next retcon incoming: actually there is an antidote for the TSK17. Ben doesn't die or become a god. This causes him to throw a tantrum and target the person who saved his life.
>>289533820Post mortem nen Hisoka deniers are STILL in shambles lmao
>>289528407hisoka will marry machi
>>289533947>hisoka>marrying
If hisoka got a permanent power up for dying it would be so retarded
>>289533981hisoka will sex machi (consensually)
>>289533981
>>289533988why? meruem pulled the same shit
>>289534047Entirely different situation
>>289533820>Texture surprise first needs a medium (blanket, paper) to work on skinYou should reread that panel again.
>>289534047>clownfag is a speedreaderEvery single time
So the coin will finally come into effect and allow Zhang to escape before being cornered by martial law right? Otherwise I cant see another way he escapes.
>>289534047Which two loyal followers will give up their life force for hisoka, feeding him themselves in a sexually charged fashion?
>>289534066I did and that's how it works until Togashi decides it should do something new
>>289533698Togashi probably retconned things.But an ability evolving is not the same as retcon desu.
>>289534094>Homosexuals are pathetic
>it's le different because..lmao no
>>289534112The manga never explicitly says he requires physical blanket or paper to work with texture surprise. That's your headcanon.
>>289534227But it explicitly states a sheer surface and he is basically creating a nen prothesis.Saying that "the exterior of the prothesis is a sheer surface" is absolutely pushing it.Just acknowledge that Hisoka was able to improve his previous nen ability and call it a day.
>>289534227Why would he use a blanket if it wasn't necessary?
>>289534000No doubt.
>>289534421i wish i was machi here
>>289533367>No, they are "essentially indestructible", which lines up perfectly with what Izunavi says:No, the narration states that something like LSDF is immune to attacks. There's no condition applied like Muteking (a manipulation ability not a conjured one). The problem you people have is you assume a character is always fully inclusive to a rule of nen even when evidence shows they are not fully correct. We don't know the difference between chain jail, potclean, and LSDF in terms of creation. But Kurapika could not make an indestructible chain, but the other two abilities are shown and stated by narration to be invincible. Meruem using the combined aura of himself, two royal guards, and all his other victims didn't harm potclean either. So you can't cry about Muteking's limitations applying here either. >"Alluka, destroy those robots."Alluka may very well just exorcise them which isn't an attack. Invulnerability doesn't preclude exorcism as shown with potclean. >>289533262Characters have been shown to be wrong all the time. Benjamin himself was willing to believe Kajidol's speculation that Shikaku was threatened to kill himself before Balsamilco stepped in. And Benjamin being overly cautious about the newly discovered Guardian Spirits was ultimately a detriment to his plan since they wouldn't have stopped his initial assault.
>>289534771Pot Clean is a hologram. There's actually nothing there to attack, which is why he's invulnerable to a nuclear explosion. What should be attacked is the curse/nen that resides inside the person afflicted. If one could expunge that nen potclean dies. It is different from the robot guards who are physical beings that can exert force. They can absolutely be broken by the upper tiers of force. Its just functionally impossible for individuals to ever reach that zenith.
>>289534421but every interaction Machi had with Hisoka, she's always seething
>>289534771You sound like the emitted nen beast retard
>>289535120No she's not.
>>289535109>They can absolutely be broken by the upper tiers of force. Its just functionally impossible for individuals to ever reach that zenithYou're misunderstanding what no absolutes means on this context.They can't be harmed but on return they also can't harm others. So it's not that they're invincible, but there's a rule on place that makes reciprocal harm impossible.The rule is not absolute, it can be broken, maybe by killing the lawyer or by destroying the place since it only works on an enclosed space, or by having some counter ability. But if you don't break the rule then you should still be unable to harm them no matter how strong you are
