Welcome back, everyoneToday, our heroes fight some black guysPrevious:>>289518886>>289543551>>289567418
one of our heroes is dead...
>>289592402>If we can hear the bells jingling, we'll know the other's aliveNot necessarily...
>>289592487Isn't Mt Fuji a volcano?
>>289592544Black meteor punch looks pretty cool.
>>289592737I mean, he had a nasty gimmick, but I think you had more trouble with even Geki and Cassios
>>289592923>>289592943hardcore
This starts getting good on the sanctuary arc
>>289592213>Dragon vs. DragonI guess his second death was also a bit premature.
>>289593265>Once a knight has seen a move, it will never work on him againGet used to this phrase
>>289593318Wait, they were gonna visit him without Hyoga knowing who he was?
>>289593396Ikki is only showing how it would actually look.
In hindsight, I guess Black Swan ripping off his eye was foreshadowing
I actually own a first print volume 4
>>289593641This is way too much death for so early in a long running shounen.
>No character has any identifiable personality traits>Characters are as stiff as a board with constant repeated poses, no dynamic movement whatsoever>Literal generic clone enemies that are copycats for no discernible reason whatsoever>Nonexistant choreography, every attack may as well be an uppercut that launches them upward and they always land on their face>Things are contradicted in the span of a single pageWhat's the appeal? Even your average 70's shonen did everything better. Time period is no excuse especially when HnK, Kinnikuman and Dragon Ball are your predecessors.
>>289592114Draw a girl, call it a boy.
>>289593854The premise seems interesting but that's about it. I'm just holding out to see some actual world building.
>>289594142Fortunately, Shiryu has about three times the blood of a normal person, as demonstrated in all his later fights
>>289592525An extinct volcano
>>289593375Probably Hyoga's mom was going to ask Mitsumasa to sign Hyoga as his son or at least pay the alimony
>>289594367Ah, I see
>>289593854I see, you don't have balls.
>>289594658>I'm like a blind man fighting a sighted one...Get used to it, Shiryu
>>289593854The answer is Ring ni Kakero was very popular in a post-Ashita no Joe, pre-Kinnikuman and Fist of the North Star world. By all means, Kurumada was a made man whose name had more weight. It’s sorta like Togashi and YYH, leading to HxH’s immediate interest.
>>289594442What would you know about balls you little sissy? The three manga I mentioned all had better appeal. Even their errors are more memorable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dnquiOv_-Q
>>289593641Raise a triumphant cry you mighty champion.
>>289594778Saint Seiya is a man's romance. To be fair, you need to have a high level of testosterone to enjoy Saint Seiya
All of them being pretty boys gave Saint Seiya an advantage on getting the female market
>>289594863Saint Seiya shifted WSJ demographic. Titles like YYH and Rurouni Kenshin were following Saint Seiya's lead. I think Kurumada will receive a lot more recognition after he dies because his wild ideas about authors being above editors
>>289594985So far this technique: is hard to master, shows a weak spot that a barely experienced knight can easily detect, and also you may or may not fucking die?
>>289593295She didn't even try, she actively went out of her way to not have any hope of surviving.
>>289595110To be fair, Seiya and co are overpowered bronze saints. Jabu and co are regular bronze saints. Also the other guy who discovered Shiryu's weak point is Shura, a fucking gold saint
>>289595110and now it's been powercrept within the first arc
>>289595128https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU-D2r_GI-g
>>289593848Racism.
>>289595262>Seiya in a Netflix live action
>>289595311I don't think this is ever referenced again, outside maybe Milo's attack
>>289595156I mean, shouldn't all the golds be able to detect it? Don't they move at the speed of light? I may be wrong since I only know the story via the PS games, but anyway this move didn't ever do anything, right?
>>289594494>>289594512He just teleported?
>>289595359Either he went there at the speed of sound, or Mu teleported him
>>289595346Cain used it to save Ikki's life in ND
ZzzZzz ZzzZzz ZzzZzz ZzzZzz ZzzZzz Cricket cricket cricket cricket cricket
>>289595512IKKI, HE'S BEHIND U
>>289595553>The same technique won't work on a Saint twice count: 2 (Or 3, if we count Ikki saying it twice)
>>289595601Fuck
ODIA, IKKI, ODIA
>>289595601Sometimes it's "twice" for real, and sometimes it's fucking several times hitting the ground with a Saint's head.
>>289595703>Shun looks like a girl on purposeWhy do this?
>>289595741Did you miss what his Cloth is?
>>289595764I mean why not just make it a girl at that point?
>>289595779Shun kinda has to be a guy, as you will see in the final arc
>>289595703>Ikki's crush>has Shun's faceKEK
It's a pity that Shura wasn't the one to kill Daidalos, so I won't be able to make World Cup jokes when we get there
Done for todayCome back tomorrow to see if they can beat Ikki
>>289595844Thanks for the dump.
>>289595703Did Kurumada really need to draw Ikki's love interest as female Shun?
>>289595825Improvement except for the side air vents
>>289594123He's the true phoenix
>>289594142Finally, the U_U
>>289594214>He lied
>>289595773Wait, Esmeralda as Guilty daughter was an anime original? I've always interpreted that act as sacrificing everything to bring Phoenix into being and fight the Sanctuary
>>289592402Kek, I guess I'm here so I can see more retardation like this.
>>289592564No way, the armor actually tanking some damage?
>>289592642How did you know Ikki got the mask?
>>289592943I believe that's the first real gore that isn't just an illusion/imagination. Shiryu's beheading is pending.
>>289593589>your psyche is destroyed... you don't have the strength left to kill an ant>please let go of my arm now...KEK, seriously?
>>289595512>It's nothing, I have four more hearts.
>>289592150The balls of this guy, casually accepting the job of writing the lyrics for an entire album.
>>289595128>>289595177I shipped them.>>289595512But for real, how did he survived Ikki's atatck? No way he was half assing it.
>>289593626Kishimoto TRACED this
>>289592923>>289592943so at this point Swan is the strongest of the main four right?
>>289593958>Don't torture him needlessly.Nepotism.
>>289594202>>289594214>>289594234A shit test that's a step above most mythological ones. In the old myths, the cloths would be repaired, but Shiryu would have bled wrong or something.
>>289595794i doubt kurumada planned it that far in advance
>>289595512Everyone BUT Phoenix resurrects from the dead here.
>>289595703>You mistook me for your little brother againHahaha holy shit
>>289595844Thanks a lot.
>>289593854I agree, this is pretty awful. I will complete it just to finally close that knowledge gap, but good lord - you really have to be a brownskin to unironically celebrate this.
>>289592356these people just travel between Japan and Tibet like it's a casual walk around the block
>>289593754Kek, did it really just fall from the sky?
>>289593854I can't speak for the other two because I'm not particularly familar with them, but while Dragonball may excel in the superficial aspects of a fighting manga like panelling and choreography, it's equally shallow in terms of storytelling and character depth
>>289598127Seemed thematic.
>>289593151>>289593167Would knowing about the attack even help defend against it? It's just a big fuckoff ice tornado.
>>289595703>Except for your hair color, and the fact that you're a girl, you could be twins...So like... fraternal twins?
>>289592150>I writhed and rolled in agony over mu own ignorance of "words," and my lack of poetic soul. To create Heine-like [...]Kurumada made an autobiographical manga, Indigo Period, in which he emphasizes how he considered himself too much of an “ignorant street kid” to draw manga, comparing himself to other authors with college degrees
>>289597130Yes, Koyama probably thought it'd be stronger if Guilty killed his own daughter.
>>289602292And he was right
>>289593854>you're le...already dead *repeats every episode*By comparison, there's an occasional new armor or technique and he'll punch really fast.
>>289600531Saint as a rule have super speed thanks to Cosmo, but in Kiki's case Mu can teleport people, and I think Kiki may just be able to teleport himself, but I genuinely can't remember
>>289592150Surprised that the anime was greenlighted so quickly
>>289602274My God, what a piece of shit.>>289594775no
>>289599375YesIf only cause Shun's handicapping himself
>>289602781Well, Kurumada had already had a very popular manga before this, so that might've helped
>>289595128It's just that easy to stop the entire body from hemorrhaging?
>>289602877Indigo Period was kino
>>289604010It is when you're a Saint
>>289604010It's a wuxia thing. Funny that DBZ and Saint Seiya, two foundational shounen titles, are so inspired by wuxia
>>289594017This isn't slowly torturing him by the way, look at how Black Dragon isn't scolding him anymore.
>>289594123Eat your heart out, Orpheus.
>>289594731Jesus, that SFX is taking 1/3 of the giant panel.
>>289595110The heavy drawbacks make the move really cool. You managed to take people down with it? Fucking awesome.
>>289595729>Hate the sniveling little brother who sent you her in his placeI guess 6 years of Hell Island does things to a boy, but you literally volunteered.
>>289606626VIZ was having a field day ruining every page with those localized sound effects
>>289595844Thanks.
>>289604010It's some chink acupressure bullshit.
>>289601669>choreography>superficialI’ve read both of these series, we will see how important choreography is.
>>289606795True, but this part makes sense. After enough beatings/torture you can convince people to believe a lot of false things.
>>289607655>"I saw five lights"
>>289592402that's not how bells works, shun
>>289601749something something you can't use an attack a second time against a saint something something
>>289593754why a christian coffin?
>>289594214fucking Mu
>>289595364>>289595346that's just kenshiro
>>289595703honestly this is some freudian shit right here
>>289595844thanks op
>>289594775Naruhodo
>>289601669>it's equally shallow in terms of storytelling and character depthYou're lying out of your teeth. We actually know the likes and dislikes of Dragon Ball characters and they have far more consistent emotional highs and development that actually sticks. Krillin alone is worth more than any Saint Seiya character combined when it comes to personality. In fact I'd say only one or two Saint Seiya characters have anything resembling what you would call a character arc. >choreography>superficial>in a manga where conflict is decided through combat>especially in Saint Seiya's case where it almost never stops spamming fight after fight with near zero downtime between battlesUtterly delusional. There are panels of simple attacks that people remember in Dragon Ball because Toriyama has actual forms of visual storytelling in his manga while Kurumada just constantly repeats the same pose ad infinitum. He's entirely carried by his splash page background art which is admittedly very good.
I only caught up today, but this reminds me of a tsundere punching a dude that said something
>>289611384it's possible,it is a very iconic Technic
>>289611384You see this often in stuff like Ranma, I think.
>>289611863Rumiko Takahashi has admitted that Kurumada was one of her inspirations
>>289594899Isn't saint seiya the first series to do the >heh i'll take care of this guy you guys go on aheadThing?I remember when reading a manga where the protag and his squad raid a place and one of the party member stays behind to fight an elite mook people often said it is just aping the sanctuary arc from this.
Dragon Ball and Saint Seiya are fundamentally two different approaches (both of which have been carried on by their successors). Toriyama focused on the mechanics of action and events while Kurumada is all about rule of cool both in the visual of attacks and characters’ recurring dramas
>>289612202Rule of cool would still be helped by adding visual variety to the characters poses. Best you've got is when they do a little dance before attacking.
>>289612202What about the Yudetamago and Buronson/Hara duos?
>>289612090Almost all shonen tropes come from Kurumada 2nd series Ring ni Kakero, Saint Seiya continues in that style but with armors and a power system rather than being a fan fiction of Ashita no Joe
>>289612683Yudetamago shifted Kinnikuman into a battle series after the Ring ni Kakero success, Buronson followed them
>>289612762Saint Seiya's original spark came from Karate Kid but Kurumada also used some elements from Ashita no Joe at the beginning. Seiya is based on Joe while Saori is Yoko and Miho is Noriko.Fun fact: During the early chapters of Ring ni Kakero, Kurumada tried to stick to realism and put emphasis on practical training and techniques but one day he met his hero Ikki Kajiwara and he told Kurumada to forget all about realism and do whatever he wanted. Kurumada followed his advice and revolutionized shounen
Wonder if there were any Kenzaki fans disappointed about Jabu
>>289614622surely at least one
>>289614622Kenzaki is Ikki
>>289616544
>>289602635Kiki can telephoto himself and others
>>289614622>>289616257I say two, even.
>>289617798>The real meaning of potentialIt's the exact opposite of potential. He never had any real hype.
>>289612983I really wish he didn't also forget about drawing fists coming into contact with bodies.
>>289612983>revolutionized shounenthat's dragon ball, not saint seiya
>>289617914Then how do you define him?
