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Seiya is stronger than Sailor Moon
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>>290009376
Maybe than base Sailor Moon but she rekts him after getting the silver crystal
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>>290009428
Didn't Deathmask return from it?
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>>290009430
Not seeing it. Even that wouldn't be enough.
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>>290009533
Seiya is just regular bronze tier unless he's fighting for justice or to save Athena, neither would apply to a fight between him and Sailor Moon
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Sailor Moon does some bullshit in the manga
Like the time she let Sailor Saturn kill everyone in the Solar System and then revived them
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>>290009574
That just isn't true. Seiya's withstood countless assaults from golds, the mariners have even shown equivalent strength too (even if they are a tad weaker than the golds overall), battering them even though they've got a better 7th sense and improved cloths than the 12 temples versions. Seiya stopped being at the strength of a bronze at the silver saint arc when he used an attack quite literally 100 times stronger than his ryusei ken. Athena doesn't even need to be present for it anyway, she never was for any of his miracles.
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I had a DVD of the Hades Saga when I was a kid
For some reason, Saga going "Are you gonna copy all of my tricks, Kanon?" when he does the two Temples thing stuck with me
Forgot to mention it yesterday
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>>290009582
My guess is Shaka.
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>>290009639
All of those times he's fighting for justice or Athena, only then he can make his cosmos explode to to gold+ levels
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>>290009708
So, in this setting is Buddha another god reincarnated or is he just some dude with a large cosmos?
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>>290009708
The epic fight has just started.
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Pizza got here faster than I expected
Back in a moment
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>>290009452
Thanks for Hades
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>>290010313
If Shaka is so strong and righteous why wasn't he chosen as the next pope?
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>>290009692
In which palace are they?
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>>290010368
Roshi is currently fulfilling the position
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>>290009740
Big dude, strong cosmo, and another thing
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>>290009730
ENTER
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>>290010368
Virgo judges Athena instead of being blindly faithful to her
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>>290010534
Oh thanks.

>>290010571
such a spoiler
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>>290010686
>SHIRYU?
>TRYING TO HELP ME?
>DIE A THOUSAND DEATHS YOU PIECE OF SHIT
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>>290010686
>Shiryu? Gtfo
kek
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>>290010758
This only gets funnier each time.
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>>290010713
>You are sightless, why are you there?
Out hypocrite'd Camus.
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>>290010912
Wait for it
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>>290010953
Shion, you two are the same age
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>>290010953
>muh immortality bad sob sob
Says Dohko, who's over 240 years old.
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Didn't know he had a ponytail in the manga, it looks so much worse.
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>>290011003
Technically Roshi is 13+ years older
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>>290011003
Well, Dohko is older, because Shion has been dead for the last 13-14 years.
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>>290011015
>Didn't know he had a ponytail in the manga
And a cute ribbon!
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>>290011064
Wait, this attack was a punch?
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>>290011007
To be fair, he (technically) aged and didn't wind up under Hades's thumb
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>>290011118
This raises more questions about the attack
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>>290011118
Why is Shion the same strength but all the other revived jobbers are way weaker than back during Sanctuary?
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>>290011118
>He expelled the damage by flexing his muscle
This is some shit I'd see in Baki
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>>290011168
Cute ribbon.
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>>290011162
I don't think the revived Gold Saints got weaker, everyone else got stronger while they were dead.

Prime Shion is stronger than most of the current Gold Saints
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>>290011162
Their strengths are meant to be from their peak moment when they were alive. JOBmask and JOBrodite are just jobbers.
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>>290011162
Camus and Shura weren't that strong, they are currently being carried by Saga.
Deathmask/Cancer lost fair and square to Shiryu.
It is hard to judge Aphrodite's strenght.
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>>290011215
This and
>>290011233
This.
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>>290011162
>>290011168
>can't even kill an old fart with no cloth with his main attack
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>>290011245
Shura is strong at least top 5 gold saint
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>>290011215
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>>290011245
There is no way Seiya just got strong enough to ragdoll Deathmask during Poseidon.
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>>290011297
He faced Poseidon and many other strong foes before. It's normal that he wrecked a jobber Gold.
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>>290011297
>There is no way Seiya just got strong enough to ragdoll Deathmask during Poseidon.
The only thing saving Deathmask from Shiryu, was his cloth, if Seiya = Shiryu, not even it can save him from the bronzes now.
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>>290011323
He was amped by Aioros and had another 2-3 other cosmos to stack on. One general he couldn't make up his mind on how to scale and he got tricked and one-shot by the other.
>>290011332
But Deathmask has a cloth that doesn't care how shitty he is now?
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It's worth mentioning that Gold Cloths are the strongest not-divine armors around, Surplices are the same from Frog to Wyvern
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>>290011322
You might have trained Shiryu a little too well Roshi, he turned down peace with Sunrei to fight for justice.
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>>290010713
The way Athena and the other saints are violent against the bronze is soo bizarre, they are being treated so badly that you can think that is a traitor among the bronze saints
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>>290011417
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>>290011467
It's like when someone is mean to their pet to get it to leave
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>>290011467
This is one of those 'we're being cruel to be kind and keep you out of trouble' deals. I'm not a huge fan of it.
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>>290011503
It is surprising how undetailed his tattoo is compared to Shiryu's
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>>290011395
Power scaling at this point of the story is retarded.
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>>290011439
>>290011473
How nice of Shion to describe what's happening for Shiryu's benefit
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>>290011395
>But Deathmask has a cloth that doesn't care how shitty he is now?
Yes, but the bronzes have near gold cloths now.
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>>290010759
oh, now he doesn't want Shiryu to die. how honorable
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>>290011503
what a cute tiger
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>>290011473
HOLY FUCK, THIS POKEMON IS EVOLVING!!
>>290011530
Worse tattoist, probably.
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One thing that is lost on translation is how the knights have the Nikke buff which makes all the difference
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>>290009695
Not true. Seiya wasn't even fighting for Athena when battling silvers. He didn't even really rely on her in the 12 temples arc either. All of the Aiolia fight was him tanking shit.
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>>290011557
I thought cloths only help with defense and maybe speed. We always see the bronzes break their cloths and only get stronger offensively.
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>>290011395
His Cloth is now on almost Gold level after being revived by a Gold Saint. Even if it wasn't, you can't blame a series focused on "burning your Cosmos to the infinity" for having its protag winning by his determination and shit.
Deathmask's Surplice is weaker than Gold Cloth.
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Okay, but how did Shion live for around 250 years?
Do Muvians just live that long?
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>>290011596
What a stud, look at him!
>>290011616
They amplify Cosmo and serve as defence, yeah. But mostly the former.
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>>290011614
he used the Shen method
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>>290011596
>>290011614
>>290011639
HE'S JUST LIKE THE CONNECTOR
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>>290011639
Grande Padre privilege, me thinks. But if that's the case, then Dohko's mission was more like a punishment, kek.
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>>290011637
>Deathmask's Surplice is weaker than Gold Cloth.
That's what I expected. I'm just waiting to see Shion prove he got weaker too without his gold cloth.
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>>290011639
I always thought that yes, they are longer lived, Shion even implied that he was decrepit when he died
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>>290011697
>barechested fight
Yup, he's Shiryu's master.
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>>290011730
ENTER FUAAARK
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>>290011544
ENTER
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>>290011730
I need to see Roshi be an asshole looking like this too.
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>>290011756
I think he did it in soul of gold.
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>>290011770
See ya in 1000 days, kek.
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>>290011794
Why doesn't a scale show up behind him?
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>>290011639
People of Mu are longer lived compared to humans, Shion was an old man when he got killed.
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>>290011824
He was a Tiger saint for some Chinese diety, got recruited by Athena and eventually became Libra saint
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One thing I really enjoy in the TLC Gaidens is getting to see other pantheons
Like Kardia meeting Quetzalcoatl
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>>290011935
Mu, you already saw one of them
Aldebaran pulled a Kenshiron on him before dying
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>>290009230
Why did you take so long? I have to keep vomiting; I want perfect bulimia.
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>>290011950
*Kenshiro
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>>290011524
Shiryu missed a crazy moment by being blind.
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>>290012104
Barabros, one of our heroes is here!
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>>290012207
Man, being chosen by the Frog Surplice must fucking suck
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>>290012232
The Final Edition removed the line about Papillon being able to beat all Gold Saints by himsel
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I think it's neat how Mu is kinda like the protagonist of this early portion of the arc. running up the houses like our bronze boys, getting overwhelmed by people that are out of his league but managing to pull through
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>>290012232
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Yeah, that's the biggest change of the newest volume of Final Edition from what I heard.
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>>290012148
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The talking slime
Wait what?
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I don't whatever the fuck Papillon has going on has ever been explained
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>>290012365
What a weird Pokemon.
>>290012304
Yes, that's a nice change of pace and perspective. It makes this part of the final arc even better.
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>>290012385
*don't think
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>>290011596
This page reads like an old magazine ad.
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>>290012423
>The Insult that made a man out of Dohko
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>>290012385
I'm assuming he's like a metamorphosing insect. they're basically just goop when they're inside their cocoons (although the order of evolution is silly, he went from goop to caterpillar which doesn't make much sense)
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>>290009376
Let's not pit two celestial pretty warrior idiots against each other now
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Does Papillon have to do this shit every time he fights?
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>>290012597
Mu, have you never seen a cocoon before?
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>>290009475
Spooky
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>>290012661
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can we go back to Shaka and the spectres?
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>>290012652
Going by the spin-offs, no
He didn't in Saint Mariya
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Speaking of Sailor Moon, I have the joke theory that Myu is so weird cause he's actually from the same planet as Sailor Heavy Metal Papillon
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>>290012652
No, it's the only time in all Saint Seiya manga in which the Papillon Specter has to morph and shit.
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>>290012661
Hot
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>>290010713
And Athena could not tell them this because..? Also we never did get a good explanation as to why Roshi prevented the Gold Knights from going to save Athena
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>>290012825
This fight was shortened in the OVA. One of few cons of this brilliant OVA sequel.
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>>290010759
>I don't get it.
Understandable with the lack of downtime the Bronzes get.
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>>290012579
>Be Myu
>Born human and had a normal life
>One day you see a star shining menacingly
>Wake up
>You're a slime
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>>290012760
>>290012783
>>290012801
>>290012825
>>290012844
>>290012873
>>290012896
>>290012921
The anime skipped all of this in this fight, in favor of a prolonged scene of Seiya going
>Lemme at 'im, Mu!
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>>290012232
>evolution
This sounds like it's going to be so fucking cheap.
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>>290011824
Taoism, tiger + dragon = balance
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>>290009557
You know, compared to the anime, they really hammer on our heads that these goldies are actually good despite their goal.
Makes the twist of it all being some 4D chess plan weaker.
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>>290012982
Ah, like the Tiger Talisman in Jackie Chan Adventures
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>>290012940
Yeah, it really sucked that this rather fresh and good arc had to be trimmed down. I would've preferred it being adapted entirely instead of getting revived Silver Saints filler at the beginning.
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>>290012988
spoilers, retard
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>>290012018
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>>290013048
is only Miro and Shaka left?
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>>290012661
There's something disturbingly uncanny about his appearance.
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>>290012988
The exact same scene is in the anime, it's all about the wording in the translation.
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>>290012952
Kurumada reused the concept in silent knight sho
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>>290011950
Mu was coping Niobe didn't count as one exactly because Aldebaran Kenshiro'd him (before he almost killed Mu himself).
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Oh man.
Two of Hades' soldiers actually lived up to their names and defeated gold saints.
Not bad, but this just increases my fear of them getting wiped out all at once later, for some really shitty reason.
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>>290009644
They already wasted 3 HOURS to get out of that illusion?
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>>290013117
bro teleported a couple meters away lol
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>>290012988
>t. I can't use spoiler tags
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>>290012783
>Okay, I don't feel like jobbing anymore.
>>290012845
They were needed on standby since Hades' army could wake up at any time.
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>>290013163
Not a bad score so far. Bronze Saints were built different, so Specters of various types invading Sanctuary and defeating Gold Saints going all-out is a impressive achievement.
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>>290013188
>They were needed on standby since Hades' army could wake up at any time.
Dohko was dumb as fuck back then. Without Athena there would be no need to defend Sanctuary. He could've sent at least one Gold Saint to aid Seiya and others.
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>>290012705
Maybe they did it offscreen, the specters just awakened
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>>290009765
That's literally excalibur
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>>290013253
Morphing before entering the battle wouldn't be a bad idea if the Papillon Specter fought without setting a trap or surprise factor.
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>>290013253
Yeah, but that would still mean he doesn't have to do it every fight
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>>290011871
Wait, really?
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>>290013252
They keep saying killing Athena is only the beginning. I guess beating back the army was even more important.
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>>290013076
They also have Kanon and Aioria
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>>290013353
>humans
????? bro was a puddle of tar not even a minute ago
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>>290013151
>>290013265
same move doesn't work twice count?
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>>290013353
>>290013374
Getting the Papilion and Frog Surplices sucks ass then.
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>>290012282
>ugly eruption
Heh that's what I call it when I
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>>290010479
ENTER
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>>290013342
Without Athena the war is lost. They can fight and die, sure, but without Athena they would've lost the war to whoever managed to kill her.
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>>290013087
It is the eyes.

>>290013353
This raises more questions.

>>290013374
So reincarnation?

>>290013407
Others too, the giants' speech balloons were coming from armor's his eye
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>>290013504
great panel
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>>290013341
Don't listen to that Anon. He mentions stuff from a spin-off that's not canon to the original story.
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>>290013504
Epic.
>>290013527
The frogman, kek.
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>>290013527
imagine having to wear this
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>12 Gold Knights
>7 Mariners
>108 Specters
So what should Zeus' army be?
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>>290013514
>So reincarnation?
Everyone assumed that
But Next Dimension shows that it isn't the case
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>>290012661
>he was a fairy
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>>290013446
my undefeated goat
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>>290013469
Hades seems to be dangerous enough for Athena's wellbeing not to matter in comparison. At least that's what's being implied at this point.
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Done for today
Come back tomorrow to see if Aioria can beat the Spectre Army
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>>290013553
Hard to say Apollo apparently only has a handful of angels, and Artemis' structure wasn't given

>>290013557
I mentioned that it raised more questions
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I guess Mu is top tier
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>>290013553
angels
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>>290012844
Mu versus, uh, Myu too!
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>>290013609
thanks for the dump!
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>>290013504
My hero...
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>>290012921
I'm just imaging a 2d image of myu spinning around cheap photoshop style
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>>290013553
Not sure about the number but Zeus's army should be dinosaur themed
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>>290013609
Imagine putting on that armor just to turn you into a pile of goop. Or it's only once and then it stays like that when fully evolved.
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>>290013696
It is just his demigods bastards
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>>290012939
>accidentally turned him into the Tasmanian devil
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>>290013599
Without Athena and with Poseidon fully awakened, it'd have been a war between Poseidon and Hades anyway. And Hades would've won. Gold Saints wouldn't matter, despite their strength. Unless a miracle happened (yeah, I know this manga likes that kind of stuff).
>>290013609
Thanks!
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>>290013557
Funny how Hades can give armor to his foot soldiers

>>290013714
It seems to be only once.
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>>290011289
>Shura is strong at least top 5 gold saint
>Shaka
>Saga
>Dohko
>Aioros
Maybe if you don't count Kanon and Shion, but he doesn't seem particularly stronger to me than Aioria, Camus, and especially Mu.
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>>290013722
Armor based on Zeus's demigod descendants or an army of Zeus's demigod descendants?
>>290013714
That one Stern Ritter from Bleach feels like a modern take on Myu, substitute evolution and telekinesis for adaptation and poison.
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>>290013837
>an army of Zeus's demigod descendants?
This one, Athena already has armors based on hers half brothers
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>>290013837
>adaptation and poison
Askin? Or Pernida?
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One of the gachas changed Deathmask and Aphrodite's last moments before being rekilled
>Finally, I never took advantage of this illusionary life. What a pity
>Then, let's die together again
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>>290014064
Pairing them up seems like a natural conclusion due to being the losers of the Gold Knights.
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I liked their interactions in Soul of Gold. Though they also gave Deathmask a girl.
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>>290014094
They are also paired up in fillers, soul of gold and one official Gaiden.
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>>290010251 >>290010281 >>290010313 >>290010341 >>290010378 >>290010406
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2adm-zeZoh8
He's so fucking cool.
Why wasn't I born a virgo?
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>>290014114
Talking about it, was the Cassiopeia santia Deathmask's girl, or just a tool to redeem him a bit?
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>>290012661
>>290013609
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Nobody like Aphrodite for homophobia, but I don't remember Deathmask being considered particularly a jobber before the Hades anime came out.
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For me it's Deroa Tephi
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>>290013933
Both, now that I think on it. Pernida was evolution + messing with nervous system
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>>290014214
Who is she?
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>>290013593
Rams are sheep, actually.
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>>290014141
Cassiopeia was there to ask the initial question of how Cancer is a Saint.
Saintia's interpretation is that Deathmask, despite his terrible ways, remained proud to be a knight of justice (not Athena) and therefore still somewhat in line with his duty.
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>>290014236
Rearrange the letters
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>>290011086
>Delayed 1000 ping attack
Aldebaran no waza da!
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>>290009708
classic and based
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>>290014187
kek
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>>290013695
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>>290010686
lmao, Roshi really just wants to see shiryuu killed
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>>290011730
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>>290011473
>>290011503
KINO
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>>290014187
Now I realize that this is a spoiler, but I doubt any first timers speak Spanish
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>>290012018
>>290013583
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>>290011439
Holy mother of BULLSHIT
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>>290013609
thanks op
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>>290014305
I see, what series does she appear in?
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>>290011503
>>290011524
>>290011544
>Libra, Tiger and Dragon
Geez Dohko, how come Athena let you hold 3 constellations?
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>>290014488
G2
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>>290014490
Tiger was connected to the diety he served before becoming a Saint, according to spin off(Lost Canvas).

There was a Tigris constellation that was based on a river in ancient times but that constellation no longer exists
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>>290014491
What's her role in that story? I've never read it but heard a lot of crazy stuff about it.
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>>290014342
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>>290014444
I wonder if Xenomophs influenced Kurumada
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>>290014523
Well, Cerberus opens the precedent of extinct constellations still being in use by Athena.
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>>290012304
It's to make up for the fact that he didn't fight at all up until this arc.
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>>290014546
Not much, there's a subplot where the new Athena is split into two girls and Aphrodite Pisces acts as bodyguard for the hidden one.
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>>290014365
His helmet even has a tiger motif, huh.
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>>290012526
Everyone is copying excalibur in this arc, makes you wonder why Shura was so special for having it.
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>>290014657
Cerberus was still a constellation when the manga was being published, I think.

Oddly enough, Toad, Owl(appeared in Lost Canvas)and Seahorse are also former constellations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Former_constellations
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>>290014761
It stopped being a constellation during the early 1900s.

Also, apparently there are more than 25 silver constellation
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>>290009557
>there isn't much time
I thought they had 12 hours?
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>>290009644
Kek, at least the time waster bullshit is working on the enemy too.
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>>290014823
The exact number of Silver and Bronze cloths was never revealed.

Athena is said to have 88 Saints but her army might be bigger than 88 since there are likely other cloths based on former constellations.
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>>290012801
>>290012825
>>290013334
>>290013353
>>290013446
You know, having all thins build up for Papilion just for him to lose so easily leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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>>290013019
>>290013171
I'm gonna be honest with you guys, not only did i forget to do that when i made the post, i also forgot how long this section of Hades was and expected the story to already be there by the time i made that post, my bad.
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>>290013609
Thanks OP!
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>Final edition.
Talking about it, I wonder if Kurumada will had more stuff to it.
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>>290014333
Real
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>Check out saint seiya original volumes.
>turns out it only has 110 chapters.
It is surprising short.
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>>290010686
Kek, holy shit roshi.
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>>290010713
>you want to fight the Gold Saints while you're blind? Good, good, good. Go on then.
>you already beat some Golds while blind before! I know this won't kill you now! go away!
Sasuga.
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>>290015080
Saint Seiya is one of those titles that had a relatively short run but it has a huge influence in the industry that still continue to this day. Recently the creator of Blue Lock admitted to be inspired by Saint Seiya.
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>>290010868
Now Shiryu! Suckerpunch that motherfucker!
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>>290015164
Yes, it is always surprising to remember it, KnY that is considered a short series has 200s
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>>290011118
>it's like flexing his muscles
IT'S NIKO STYLE'S ADAMANTINE KATA!
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>>290011439
>>290011473
Fucking bullshit.
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>>290011524
Shouldn't he be able to tell what's happening from Dohko's cosmo becoming stronger/younger/fresher?
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>>290015164
It's kind of an elemental story structure, and since it's so repetitive it becomes very clear what that structure is.
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>>290011639
Fucking cultivator.
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>>290011871
That sounds like some bullshit, but there's already Buddha and Japanese underworld in this manga. So I don't think it's a stretch he has the power of a chink zodiac.
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gotta ask, whats the anon favorite cloth/armor in the entire manga so far?
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>>290011950
That barrier around the Palace of Athena is such garbage. They need to fire whoever's in charge of it.
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>>290011639
Wait, does this mean Roshi went into old man form immediately and postponed his youth?
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>>290012385
This nigga had never seen a caterpillar in his life before.
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>>290012617
>Papillon, you truly are your namesake
Why the fuck is he pretending to not know what caterpillar and cocoon are?
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>>290012597
>>290012617
>>290012637
>>290012661
Behold the strongest Incest type monster in all of Duel Monsters. THE PERFECTLY GREAT MOTH
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>>290015383
Probably the Wyvern surplice. I also like the Saggitarius cloth. From the bronze saints, I like the dragon cloth
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>>290015383
Wyvern, Cerberus
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>>290012921
>I've never tried to take an enemy's life
>allies though, multiple times
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>>290015293
You have to give Saint Seiya more credit considering how influential is even after many decades. I think the show appeals to creator's sensibilities because it's about standing for your ideals and never back down so they keep being inspired by Saint Seiya even if they're told to read DBZ and Hokuto no Ken and ignore Kurumada
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>>290015164
Akira Toriyama was mostly just bullshit gags in the beginning and the same tropes up until his editors forcing to focus more on super extreme fights and great choreographers.

Before that Dragonball was just Dr.Slump 2.0 but with sorta of an ongoin story, the main MC was so stupid and retarded he had no morals and had to be ordered around what to do, the female heroine and many of the others were inssuferable cunt because Toriyama had a weird henpecked fetish of writing bitchy jerkass woman you wanna punch in the face because ''they are strong with great agency'' except not really, most of the other males are literal sexpest pigs or retarded punching bags, and the humor was just awkward that only Toriyama liked and no one else.

Doesnt help that all the mangas that were inspired by Toriyama were inspired by the worst aspects of Toriyama's writing to the point they feel like anything except human beings or characters, and much like those overstayed their welcome and turn out for the worst, One Piece, Naruto and Shaman King during its run and after its revival, well, i read jokes about how WSJ were actually astroturfing Toriyama to the top while screwing over Kurumada who tried his bests in spite of his shortcomings but got always the short end of the stick.
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>>290013527
Kurumada isn't even trying with this one.
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>>290013609
Thanks OP.
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>>290015671
Kurumada himself admit Toriyama was more talented than him but Toriyama was always a company man while Kurumada has problems with authority figures since school so it's obvious who was Shueisha going to prefer
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>>290015383
Cyclops Surplice. Also the Pisces cloth doesn't get enough credit because of the user.
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>>290015671
>and the humor was just awkward that only Toriyama liked and no one else
I find that hard to believe, since Dr. Slump was also popular.
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>>290015775
yeah, with how draconic shueisha is it's no wonder he jumped ship and landed with akita shoten.
also say what you will about kurumada's work, it's pretty respectable that instead of just accepting otokozaka being axed he just goes "fuck you i'll continue it on my own" and years later he did
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>>290015004
Is that version ongoing?
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>>290015991
yeah, it's currently on volume 15, i think i heard it will be 20 volumes long so it's close to the end
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>>290011730
Fun fact this is what Young Dohko used to look in anime before the manga reached this point, i dont remember if we ever got to see this design in the anime, all that i know is that i think once the 2000s reprints of this old figurines were made, they updated the design.
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>>290015383
Wyvern.
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>>290015891
fun fact: one of the reason why the hades chapter feels rushed after certain point was because it was at the edge of being cancelled due to low popularity
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>>290016686
Huh that is interesting. What could've cause the series popularity to dip that badly?
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>>290016945
my theory? a mix of kurumada already feeling both phsycally and mentally tired, the anime getting axed due to low ratings and poor figure sales (thanks asgard arc) and shueshia pressure might be the cause
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>>290015869
Dr. Slump worked because it was a schoolboy edgetard manga about poop and perv jokes, basically mocking kids manga by making the character absolute morons and terrible people, and started the trend that other mangakas, him and Rumiko Takahashi introduced, and others copied to death.
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>>290017310
I read here on this board that BanDai and Toei screw over the original anime, firing the original anime director from it right before the Sanctuary arc ended so thats why the Asgard saga felt so weird for most people, in theory i get why it was done, to not catch up to the manga.
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>>290017514
huh never heard of that.

i only knew that they changed the hades sanctuary director after the whole movie 5 fiasco
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Maybe I just got tired but this arc doesn't look so appealing to me, I can't even finish vol. 19 yet.
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>>290011395
but cancer and isces have the debuff of being disliked by the author
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>>290011432
Roshi was not expecting Shiryu to be so retarded.
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>>290012304
>>290012323
Also shows how fucked the situation is considering how untouchable Mu felt in the anime.
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>>290014714
Either his is somehow more powerful, or he taught it to everyone else.
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>>290018181
What exactly was he expecting, knowing how he taught Shiryu?
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>>290013117
Mubros...we're hiding like a bitch
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>>290014624
Aliens and Giger were big in Japan at the time, so probably.
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>>290013163
I disagree. Athena is the goddess of war. Her soldiers should be the strongest in battle, along with Ares soldiers.
The others should be superior in other things relating to the domain of their god
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>>290015842
what does it even do?
The roses are the user power not the cloth
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>>290015502
To be fair, he was too inhuman in behavior.
Before Hades, we only had dudes in armors, instead of living goo
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>>290019365
I was just talking about the design, I think it looks cool.
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>>290017434
I'd say that a lot of that traces back to Go Nagai, especially MCs being unrepentant sexpests.
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>>290015383
Wyvern. That "base" design is sick.
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>>290015671
nah tori also had a lot of talent as an artist
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>>290015383
Gemini
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>>290013792
>killed aioros
>wewaker than him
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>>290022700
Now do it without the "fleeing guy protecting a baby" handicap.
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>>290022700
Aioros was without a cloth and wasn't even fighting back.
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>>290015383
it's impossible for me to not be biased towards my sign's gold cloth, Aries. although I also like the current Pegasus cloth, with the wide pointy shoulders
my number one favorite hasn't shown up yet, Athena's kamui
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What do you think? Man or woman?
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>>290024712
>maskless
man. unless OP lied that is.
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>>290024891
This is from a shoujo spin-off where there's nobody left to enforce the mask rule
The three Saints so far are all women and none wear the mask
Although one might also be Athena
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>>290011639
Yes, that and the fact that a saint training allows you to live longer, like studying ripples in JoJo allows you to do the same
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>>290024712
That's obviously a man.
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>>290015383
Even if it´s shilled to dead i think the sagittarius cloth looks really cool, so it´s my favorite.
Also because it´my sign
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>>290015383
I need to see them all in color to choose. Every cloth has meshed together in my head.
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>>290015775
Toryama started with gag mangas because when he asked what was the hit of the moment they told him It was Kurumada's Ring ni Kakero so he decided to work to a complete different genere.
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>>290009557
RIP Big Jobber Bull
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Is Ring ni Kakero also nonstop people fight like this?
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>>290016079
Young Dohko appears in a flashback in the Asgard arc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfcXtWMFQeY
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>>290024951
The spin-offs always try do do a work around this rule
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>>290029497
It's awkward to have women wearing a mask when the majority of the SS fandom in Asia are women
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>>290030953
That's fitting if anything, fujos don't care about female characters.
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>>290031060
Yeah but probably women don't enjoy to see female characters covered up.
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>>290024951
>spoiler
That was predictable. Just look at the other SS shoujo retellings

- Sailor Moon: Usagi is essentially a goddess
- Magic Knight Rayearth: Hikaru makes the wish
- Mermaid Melody: Lucia becomes the new Aqua Regina

Women want to be at the center and dress beautiful dresses. Men are more simple, they just want to hang out with their bros and have a waifu at home waiting with the dinner
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>>290028109
And its a different design of course.
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>>290017550
The Fifth movie ended up being an EoE type of Mess but it was because Toei already cut them budget and the director did not stood by Kurumada's ideas.
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>>290022083
And Women being phsycothic neurotic jerks
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>>290022640
>nah tori also had a lot of talent as an artist

I never denied that, Yes, if anything Toriyama's art, as goofy as it was during early dragonball with the overly cartoony way he draw everybody, was very appealing to say the least, Kurumada always stood in his comfort zone when it came to art.
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>>290032331
how are those SS shojo retellings?
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>>290033744
Rayearth is a legally distinct Saga x Saori doujin
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>>290024951
I thought they were random high school girls Kiki recruited with no ties to Athena or Sanctuary
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>>290033903
Normally I'd say Seiya was cucked but Ferio (non-Seiya) got best girl Fuu so it was for the best
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>>290034042
There's been some hints that Mariya might be more than that
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>>290011473
what the fuck
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>>290035625
Based Kurumada
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>>290024712
A man. I think he won't be the Dragon Saint, but the Libra one.
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>>290024712
Saint Mariya's Tuxedo Mask? The author seems to be a fan of Sailor Moon
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>>290013334
>catches the butterfly in a web
simple but effective
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>>290014936
>Oh Papillon is already there? Great. We've got this. He can solo all the gold saints
>Dies unceremoniously to the first guy he faces
classic
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>>290036389
To be fair, Papillon could easily defeat guys like Milo and Aldebaran, not including Deathmask if he was still alive. Mu is one of the top gold saints
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