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It just hit me that Ikki vs Aiacos is Biyomon's last two stages
>>290128143And Hyoga
>>290128464Thank you Kanon, I didn't know he did that. Are you related to Yamashitakazuo by chance?
>Rhadamantys Heh what a cuck
>>290129047rip my boi
>>290129197>GeisPandora, you're a German woman working for a Greek GodWhy are you using an Irish thing?
>"Wait a second, just how many people erased my memories?"
As an aside, Julian is the only guy connected to a god to not be a VirgoYou didn't see that
>>290129359WTF, the brothers have huge Cosmo even BEFORE training? That talk about Mitsumasa being Zeus is getting more and more plausible
Will be back after dinner
>>290128934>Just fucking tanked it, actually negated it, didn't even pull a trickSaints are broken. Should be used in more powerscaling discussions.
>>290129024Ikki is too broken in this.
>>290129601That one was an illusion, he didn't receive the attack.
>>290128486fucking looney tunes attack
>>290129601unironically seiya is stronger than goku
>>290128642Honestly, he's right, how are you guys falling for this trick by Volume 25?
>>290129406In Ring ni Kakero, Takeshi looks exactly like Shun while her big sister looks like Pandora. Probably it's a reference
>>290129765He was stronger than Goku in the original run. I'm not sure about Super though.
>>290129218This scene implies that Pandora is only about 16 years old.Funny, you'd expect Hades' servants to be several millennia old, but no, the oldest ones are in their 20's because Kuramada absolutely hates old characters, even immortal ones.
>>290129841Spectres are just humans, same with the mariners and saints. They get indoctrinated into their armies in their youth. I wish at least a few spectres had backstory though.
>>290128822>Bring this Phoenix to me!!Damn, even Hades himself is speeding up the plot now
>>290129839Seiya would make El Grande Padre into his bitch
>>290129841She's indeed 16, one year older than Ikki
I genuinely can't blame Teshirogi for thinking that the Specters would always be the same in some way, considering the Three Judges having the same names as the mythological ones and Charon
>>290130197How many times would Seiya need to land on his face to beat him?
>>290130200>>290130225Based equal opportunity IkkiIt'd be misogynistic NOT to hit her
>>290130245>Drove a spear between her legs and left her panting out of breath
>>290130276>>290130293WAKE THE FUCK UP!!Hahaha this is great
>>290128642>>290129810after who knows how many holy wars against Athena's saints, it's about time Hades leaves a memo up somewhere for the next one:>everyone, master at least TWO attacks!
>>290130200Now this is a telenovela
>>290130245How wet was dhe there?
>>290130245you can tell this is the exact moment were pandora starts lusting for ikki's dick
>>290130200>>290130225>>290130245MY FUARKING HERO
>>290130416On the level of "L-lord Hades, forgive me."
>>290130449In 18 Years Precisely, the Planets will align, ever so nicely...The time to act will be at hand. Unleash the Specters, your monstrous band!Then the once proud Zeus will finally fall, and YOU, Hades, will rule ALL!!A word of caution to this tale... Should Seiya fight, you will fail!!
>>290128486Aiakos's attacks are weird in general.
>>290128687Most bizarre attack in the series.
>>290130449>>290130494>>290130527Why is he such a dick though?
>>290129713I've always liked it for how cartoony it was. I was waiting how it was going to be animated but at that point the OVAs had negative budget
>>290130559He's a god and inmortality is for too long
>>290129504We just need confirmation in the Heaven arc.
>>290129841Pandora reincarnates, so she's millennia old in new body.
>>290130601Mxy was so disappointing in Whatever Happened...
>>290130245Lewd.
I'm not 100%, but I'm pretty sure Pandora has the largest breasts of any girl in Saint Seiya
>>290129882Specters in Saint Seiya are normal people who are unlucky enough to be reincarnation of Hades army, they sort of get possessed when he becomes active and make their way to the Underworld.The Specters in Dark Wing are actual people with backstories. Not sure if they're meant to be reincarnations of Hades's army or not.
>>290130684>Specters in Saint Seiya are normal people who are unlucky enough to be reincarnation of Hades army, they sort of get possessed when he becomes active and make their way to the Underworld.Isn't that just in Lost Canvas?
>>290130245I ship it.
>>290130683I think it's the same model for all young women, only she shows more cleavage.One thing I'll give Shiori Teshirogi is... she can draw one sexy Pandora.
>>290130494I understand that reference
>>290130559Saint Seiya is from the era where a lot of writers assumed Hades=Satan and was evil.More modern stories treat Hades with more nuance. Not sure what caused it, maybe people reevaluated Greek myths.
>>290129504It is the most likely explanation, and would make the series go full circle
>>290130826Gege TRACED this
>>290130796>>290130826Gege traced this
>>290130826I wanna watch Evil Dead 2 now, for some reason.
>>290130842>>290130845Who's Gege
>>290130872Wait, Ikki, I've seen this beforeIt's MimicryA walrus man used it against a german guy like three years ago
>>290130200>>290130225Holy based
>>290130873This guy
>>290130787Well... Hades was one of the gods who were demonized with the rise of Christianity, with his realm being equated with hell, but since the 90s with the rise of internet, people got to see the original myths and see that he wasn't this satanic figure.I think Age of Mythology helped a lot his image, since it used Poseidon and the titans as the villains.
>>290130872Ikki, you big softy, you won't actually do it.
>>290130951>Ikki is Shun's biggest hype manYou gotta love it.
>>290130449>>290130494big deal, just have Kanon do a Galaxy Explosion to destroy the Moon and all the planets between the Sun and the Earth
>>290128367That just looks like Ikki in cooler clothing.Also I thought all the stars were named after their sins. Is heroism supposed to be one?
>>290129882Weren't they sealed until a few months ago?
>>290130951Best brothers
>>290131148>>290131169>>290131186fucking hell, this is gory
>>290131200Holy shit a Malboro!
>>290131103Surely they'll do something. Any day now.
>>290131120i think that was mistranslation because balrog lune/rene is supposed to be the celestial star for heroism while garuda aiakos has the celestial star for majesty in the japanese realese
>>290131289this monster design must have been inspired by Giger
>>290131289ok you cant deny that kurumada saw the alien franchise because that desing looks like something straight out of the alien movies
>>290130919True, a lot of dieties were demonized by Christianity.The first media I remember where Hades wasn't evil was the Class of the Titans cartoon, which was early 2000s.That Zagreus game from a few years back probably helped as well.
>>290128367Lost all appeal with that face reveal.
>>290131376>evil clone of character is just character with black hair and clothingI love this stuff like this, I don't know why.
>>290131103I forgot how irrelevant they were for most of this arc.
>>290131412>Thinking you can one tap IKKIHades, come on man.
>>290128367>gold? we should gang up on him!>BRONZE?! 1V1 ME, RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW!Bitch ass.
>>290129765>>290129839The only Z level feat up to now has been the Athena Exclamation if you take Kurumada's bullshit exposition as fact.
>>290128561>using the same attack twiceYou absolute fool
>>290129108She can do that?
>>290131492>"Masaka! Kono Kosumo..."
>>290131434Seiya made a big bang at the start of 12 temples. Galaxian Explosion is self explanatory. Athena Exclamation is hyperfocused like Seiya's comet punch.
>>290130200Fuuuucccckkkkk
>>290129286>Why are you using an Irish thing?We're way past that.
>>290129314hey, we did have foreshadowing for this
>>290131548Nice butt
>>290130754Pandora's thighs kept me super interested.
>>290131406It worked for him with the Black Saints, so why not the Spectres too
>>290131548CULO
>>290129339>2 years old
>>290128464>>290128561Team Phoenix is blasting off again!
>>290129504Mitsumasa Kido was probably just a cheap, fun puppet body for Zeus to use for lulz before going back to divinity.
>>290131623my HERO the STRONGEST!
>>290131617Ages in Saint Seiya never made sense, everyone looks older than their actual age.Later spin offs are a lot better in that regard.
>>290131666 is Regulus there
>>290131554Cosmo is the mini universe of their soul. It was never explicitly made literal until the Athena Exclamation.
>>290129601And Ikki is the most broken of all. Killed him and wiped his body? Cool, he revived and now you can't use the same move on him.
>>290131376Foreshadowing
>>290130200>>290130225
>>290131148The heart is supposed to be at the center of the body.
>>290131685I like to think the Lost Canvas era Gold Saints and all the saints from that era reached Elysium, they deserved it after everything they went through.There are probably a few Specters sealed in Cocytus as well.
>>290131666This is the cherry on top for how awful the underworld is. You are a Saint who fought for love and justice? Fuck you, the bad guy runs the afterlife.
>>290130449>>290130494They have Libra's planet destroying weapons to screw this plan over.
>>290131774Leaving aside just how terrible of an idea it would be to destroy every other planet in the Solar System, they would still need to reach the planets
>>290131686>the golds jobbed
>>290131803after all the gold wank it almost feels satisfying seeing them taken down a peg
>>290131686>>290131803They jobbed alive somehow? All Rhadamanthys did was throw them in the pit.
>>290131103Right, they're still running.
>>290131731>>290131746lol get BAITED!
>>290129024be Aiakos in Lost Canvas>last for 20+ chapters>have an extremely loyal 6'1" muscle waifu who loves you very much>absolute madlad, casually fry your minions just for shit and giggle>has your own unique speech bubble for some fucking reason>has to be brought down by Sagittarius' power of friendship>waifu refuses to kill you even when she's just a lifeless corpse controlled by Hades>punishment for losing is basically just retiringbe Aiakos in OG Saint Seiya>last for 2 chapters lol>no waifu, high incel energy>no minion (even Minos has one subordinate)>hang out with your 2 work colleagues whom you don't even like that much>spam an attack that is called "Illusion" but it's somehow not a genjutsu>try to aura farm with "X marks the spot" but get backshot instead>basically a glorified fodder for a Bronze Saint's aura farm
>>290131304Sopa de Seiya, uma delicia.
>>290131828No 8th sense in the underworld means death. The bronzes can walk around because athena's blood gave them the boost they needed to awaken it.
I am confusedSo shaka didnt die during the athena exclamation?
>>290131866Valentine just said they were alive before taking it back to demoralize Seiya.
>>290131855Why would Hades be in Elysium in the first place? The logical place to look in first should be his shrine.
>>290131886He unlocked his 8th sense, just as Saori stabbing herself actually unlocked hers
>>290131872>>290131884ENTER
>>290131794I'm sure the golds can manage with their LIGHT SPEED!
>>290132005Respect for putting that much thought into a surplice he was going to dumpster in 2 pages
Done for todayCome back tomorrow to see if Seiya can beat Valentine
Wait, forgot two pages
Now we're done
>>290128934Aiakos only needs to survive to use it for the THIRD time!
>>290128949How do you get killed by an illusion?
>>290128982>>290132130Nvm, said it too soon.
>>290132097Thanks.
>>290130872Yu-Gi-Oh traced this.
>>290132082>galaxian explosion only behind THE series attackTHE STRONGEST AND MOST POPULAR
>>290131623STRONGEST
>>290131746Odysseus level trickery.
>>290128143This storytime made me go back and listen to the Saint Seiya OST.
>>290129359So, Shun's gigantic cosmo DOESN'T come from Hades? Forget about the plot twist, THIS is the real bullshit.
>>290130245I can hear it gushing from here.
>>290131396Just like Ikki said. >>290128392
>>290131884Kurumada spent some time on that cleavage.
>>290131886No, he reached the underworld alive to escape Hades' control while in it.
>>290128589I like how his worry is that Ikki isn't falling fast enough.
>>290132368Like Pandora said, he's the absolute purest person alive on the planet.
>>290128822Why do all gods manspread in Saint Seiya?
>>290128870This is some "if you want to destroy something just destroy its atoms" kind of logic. Love it.
>>290130200No wonder he is the most popular in Mexico.
>>290129601Powerscaling in has a logic Saint Seiya but is kinda weird.
>>290131335Most Greek gods are assholes though.
>>290130374>>290131289Ikkibros... don't look
>>290129314>>290131570Now that battle with Shaka hits differently, doesn't it?
>>290128334>>290131989(Wings not included)
>>290132691Anime version
>>290132368That he had a gigantic cosmo since birth makes it make more sense that he was meant to be the body of Hades.
>>290131515Pandora is impressed with Ikki's masculinity
>>290131884I notice Saori tits have been growing each arc
>>290130200>"outta my way thot"
>>290131746>>290132319Seiya is a lot smarter than fans give him credit for. He figured it out Misty's air shield and broke Aldebaran's defense. Fans just see him as the guy that throw pegasus meteors
>>290132097OP, do you plan on posting Next Dimension afterwards?
>>290132691The full orange just looks ugly.
>>290130245>>290130276>>290130293This chapter just keeps getting better, holy shit.
>>290131794They can always rely on Shiryu's suicide attack.
>>290130494Not all of Earth was covered in ice during the Ice Age though.
>>290128870Git gud
>>290130225>AIIEEE>>290130245Hades must be weirded out by the sexual tension between his "siblings".
>>290130796Hades wanted to fap?
>>290130276Actual comedy skit.
>>290129244Imagine Hades possessing Goku
>>290131148>>290131169Funny it worked since fisting somebody in the chest always appears to backfire in Saint Seiya.
>>290130200MY HERO
>>290132875Humanity went almost extinct. Like 10000 humans survived and we all descended from that group. Probably that's why the ancient civilizations were obsessed with the flood
>>290131047>the MoonWhy do you want to fuck up the environment?
>>290130276Ikki is so good
>>290131623Did he find Buddha?
>>290131770Challenging gods is considered a sin regardless of which side you're on, the Tenkai Hen movie was basically about this.
>>290132776Probably because Pegasus Meteor is basically unga bunga just throw a lot of punches everywhere.
>>290131335If we have to make a tier from the most evil to least evil in my opinion it goesApolo=Artemis>Hera>Afrodite>Posendon=Atena>Hermes> Ares>Zeus>Hefesto>Hades
>>290133140That's a shounen hero's favorite technique. From Kenshiro to Yusuke Urameshi and probably before. Maybe it comes from Bruce Lee. Bruce's fists were really fast to the point cameras from the time couldn't recorded them. Hence Fist of Fury
>>290133034It worked against Deathmask in one of the movies
>>290131376Black hair = evil? I see
>>290133060But that more likely has to do with where humans inhabited back then.
>>290132720She's still wet from the spear
>>290132368>>290132462>>290132715I thought Shun's immense cosmo is because he is the reincarnation of Hades, like water nigga and Poseidon from before.
>>290133220Remind me to Mermaid Melody
>>290132783I thought it was cool for the kamui to keep the orange color in the anime.
>>290133243The point is that it's a manga for 8 years old boys. Don't overthinking it.
>>290132783The white gives enough contrast.
>>290132052Those shoulders are nuts
>>290130704TLC and DW authors are friends so they might have agreed on the interpretation
>>290132778I hope he does.
>>290133265>>290133343I think if the belt and part of the head piece were different color it would do wonders.
>>290131289This is Hercules final season (the one with Kevin Sorbo)
>>290132020I get the impression that the guys guarding the eight prisons were supposed to have a bigger role, but he had to dumpster them.
>>290133537I wonder if Kurumada likes Hercules. It has mythology and Kevin Sorbo was a hunk back then.
>>290131623Saga could never!
>>290133601As anons already pointed out, the manga popularity was decreasing and Kurumada was too weak and sick to fight back for all the stress so he rushed the arc
>>290131886"Only" his body died
>>290131975Get Geki'd.>>290132052>>290132097Thanks OP!
>>290132462Cosmo has nothing to do with purity?
>>290131289lol
>>290133155>Afrodite
>>290131319>>290131330It is noticeable in the surplices designs, Cyclops and Worm even have tubes connecting their different parts.
>>290133155Good list, but I'd rank Aphrodite = Zeus. She rarely fucks with people and mostly screws with other gods.
>>290133753If Ikki can return to live after losing his body, Shaka can too.
>>290133623Pretty much. Hades arc itself had a rushed "ending" in Weekly Shonen Jump, and Kurumada had to serialize the actual ending in a separate magazine which caused him to scrap the Gold Saint Gaiden stories he'd originally planned for that one.
>>290132708I prefer the anime colors except for that yellow in the chest plate. That's a terrible touch that brings the rest down.
>>290133250Julian Solo doesn't have a great cosmos on his own, it was always Poseidon's cosmos, even if he was dormant within hom.
>>290131989At this point if Ikki lets his cloth be destroyed a few more times he will reach god level without any blood.
>>290133917Indeed, the previous one was more elegant
>>290130494Aye, verse. Oy!
>>290131638>Mitsumasa Kido was probably just a cheap, fun puppet body for Zeus to use for lulz before going back to divinityThat sounds... extremely Zeus-like, I love it.
>>290132941He married his niece
>>290133537Dahak was the second to last season
Why did the Sanctuary keep two pedophiles as Gold Saints in Omega?
>>290130184>>290130276the saints defy gods, is soo sad that even ikki is going to bow to apolo in the next arc
>If Kurumada was a woman, she would want to marry a man who slaps her around and pierces between her legs without warning
>>290131534>Understood, Lady Pandora. Why are you panting so hard when looking at his ass, though?
>>290136648Well, that is because they were definitely in the wrong.
>>290130276HEY HADESYOU EVER FEEL LIKE *THIS*
>>290131688The big bang made by Seiya wasn't internal. It was external, it's why Aldebaran said what he did.
Remember when Aioria was afraid of a guy whose only feat was mildly damaging a column?
>>290137716The column had Grizzly-tier durability.
>>290132778Shiryu and Hyoga are stronger than Ikki and Shun in ND.
Minos was the only one of the Three Judges to not be voiced by a big (currently, dunno how big they were back then) VA in the OVAs
>>290137792Probably why he was apparently replaced with Takahiro Sakurai in TLC.His old VA's mostly just known for Neji.
>>290132368Anyone who becomes host of a god has to have a lot more cosmo than average
>>290136475I remember more of Dahak from Xena.>>290136635Ares/Mars recruited them when he ran Sanctuary, not Athena.
>Minion to the final villain that carries the entire villain teamRhadamanthys is the Mammothman of Saint Seiya
>>290131623>Hades visibly shaken and afraidShaka? God level.
>>290138256Julian Solo didn't.
>>290128870>I got a good look at your speed attack>the secret to avoiding it is being faster than youNo shit
>>290129244Well any baby would be pure no?
>>290131270>>290131289>>290131345>>290131360What just happened
>>290139993Both Shun and Julian were intended as mere meat vessels, the thing is Shun was born with a natural talent a playboy like Julian would never match.
>>290131912Okay but why would that magically heal their physical bodies and allow them to travel to the underworld alive?
>Kanon vs Rhadamanthys in the original>Kiki vs Minos is building up in Saint MariyaDid Aiacos gets any particular rivalry in Lost Canvas?
>>290141143It's cosmo. Don't worry about it.
>>290133830Because of Aphrodite nature she does things that snowball in huge messes like Trojan war. Also Trojan war was probably Athena in her worse
>>290136841It was a different time
>>290131685>>290131740Lost Canvas isn't canon so in Kurumada's continuity he's definitely not in there.
>>290142675Based
>>290130449So that's what happened in Spain the other day...
>>290133875Kurumada used some of the ideas he had back then in ND. Probably arcs like Kaiser's backstory were going to be used for the gold saints gaidens
>>290137664What did he say again?
>>290130200ikki is a man among men
>>290131623HE IS HERE
>>290132097thanks op
>>290141062Didn't Julian turn gay at the end of the Poseidon arc?
>>290141143Kurumada just continues to throw shit to see what sticks
>>290146561Not really, he only took a more philantropic way of life.
>>290135406We must see if the drunken sensei has such a mind
>>290146818He also got Siren to accompany him.
>>290146828Believe in the master
>>290147004I doubt that theory is true. There's a scene of Mitsumasa Kido pleading with "god", asking him if this trial is put upon him because he has a hundred children. There's no other character in it so the scene if for the audience's benefit.I wouldn't put it past Kurumada to retcon or ignore it because he doesn't give a fuck, but I highly doubt it was his plan from the start, and he just wanted to make the heroes related by blood.
>>290130225the true DEI knight
>>290141143He and Athena died, the 8th sense is to avoid they to became Hades puppets in the underworld
>>290147333No, it's explicitly stated they reached the underworld alive. Shaka even has his gold cloth, ffs.
>>290131746kek
>>290146887Yes, Sorrento wanted to watch over him because of his loyalty to Poseidon.
>>290147239Also in the Galaxy Tournament Sunrei was pleading with ''god'' because of Shiryu. I wonder which one?
>>290147773My point is, he wouldn't be pleading with a higher power while alone if he was Zeus.
>>290148009While I don't think Mitsumasa is anything more than a horny old bastard, neither Julian nor Shun knew they were Poseidon and Hades
>>290148009Maybe he didn't know? Like Shun?
>>290148106>>290148107Maybe he was meant to but never "answered the call"?
>>290148107>>290148468This feels like trying to make the facts fit the theory.
>>290148106Julian was not Poseidon.Poseidon uses someone from Julian's family as a host. And Shun is not Hades, it's the same situation. They are possessed. To be Zeus, Mitsumasa Kido would have to be aware that he is. Otherwise he's just a human.Personally, I think Zeus will be a pretty boy and simply an enemy to beat.
>>290148613>To be Zeus, Mitsumasa Kido would have to be aware that he is. Otherwise he's just a human.Do the hosts have to know who possesses them? It could be like in Poseidon's case where he ''sleeps'' inside his host until awakening at the right time.
>>290138301Sasha/Sysiphus is a very popular pairing and Teshirogi's OTP so it wasn't the first time a pedo was allowed to be a gold saint
>>290130200>>290130245>>290130276>>290130293Great sequence.
>>290148734There's nothing in the text that supports that.
>>290150250So Mitsumasa just wake up one day and decide to preg 100 women because he felt horny that morning
>>29015027299 womenAnd he did it in a period of at least two years
>>290150272It probably took more than one day.
>>290150272Surely Zeus supplied the amounts of semen needed.
>>290150361
>>290132691Based and manga accurate.>>290142675Facts.
>>290150272Zeus whispered in his ear
>>290128270love this page
