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Seiya is the best character
>Rhadamantys heh what a cuck
>>290106496>What a-AIIIIIIIEEEEE
>>290106641...Why is Hades a western dragon?
>>290106497wow that's a lot of places to visit
>>290106660>>290106674Aight, you got me there Kurumada.
>>290106641Look at that last panel, Jesus. That's the Citizen Kane of panels for Kurumada.
>>290106691Wait, when did this happen?
>>290106727What happened to her clothes?
>>290106747How did she know about the parts she wasn't present?
>>290106711nooooooo
>>290106691>>290106747At least Hades wasn't the one who cheated there.
>>290106785She didn't. That part was for you, the audience.
>>290106691pandora is a bitch, but was it like this in the myth or just oepheus turning because he couldn't wait?
>>290106813 I was being ironic there, anon
>>290106838The later
>>290106838The latter.
This situation could be prevented by having Eurydice be the one on the front.
>>290106838It's a myth, so there's no unified way to tell it, but I always read it as Orpheus being betrayed by his own doubts. It's meant to be a tragedy and that stings harder than him neing tricked by someone else.
>>290106909*cues to the bass battle from scott pilgrim*
>>290106885You can tell all the talent had left by this fight in the anime because it's a music battle and what happens is they just play each character's track when they're on-screen.Someone with talent and passion would have found a way to integrate the music for both opponents into a single unifying piece of music.
>>290106941>losing a string is nothing to a master musician!You can tell manga Seiya doesn't play guitar.
>>290106961Toei!Seiya should've pulled his guitar to assist Orpheus here.
>>290106497this feels like something out of castlevania or ghost and goblins
>>290106972>Pegasus Meteor Strings
>>290106711Still wild how this and the tale of Izanami developed thousands of miles and ages apart with such close parallels
>>290106928And is made even worst when you remember that Saint Seiya have the best and more iconic OST ever
>>290106984>most of his attacks involve the string Gkind of a huge weakness there
>>290107006The Irish have a story that is almost literally the same as Urashima TaroThe Flood recurs through most mythologiesAnd a lot have stories about someone separating Heaven and Earth
>>290107063so either history repeats itself or different interpretations of the same event which i find kinda odd desu
>>290107095Illusions are Kurumada's favorite trick it seems.
>>290107063There's like 4 iterations of mermaids across multiple cultures that coexisted without any connection to eachother.
>>290107125\m/
>>290107120Fuma no kojiro is 20% boken fights and 80% illusion attacks
>>290106362>yellow on yellow on yellow and out of nowhere pink>>290106496Lost btw.
>>290107180So...is she just going to stay like this forever?
>>290106961That's what a weakling would say. Seiya has "scaled the wall" and thus knows how to work around such a problem.
>>290106711>>290106727Orpheus was a retard.
>>290107261He was tricked to believe he made it to the living world. In the actual myth he was a retard.
>>290107285Kurumada, you fucking suck at secrets.
>>290106838Iirc there's one version where during the journey the sounds disappear completely and Orpheus turns around because he no longer knew if she was still there.
>>290107006And lot and his wife.
>>290107284I think there's no clear cut to where the world of dead ends and world of living begins.Remember that the land of the gods is just a mountain right there, it's not like those things are in different dimensions.
>>290107349>suddenly trident
Pandora has decided that she wants to show cleavage and changed out of her robes
>>290107370>Seiya and Shun speedran the entire arcHyoga and Shiryu will go through it properly... right? Also how the FUCK do they even fit there?
>>290107284Nah, he should have waited to a more definitive proof that they were out instead of being tricked by a lightshow.
This arc shows that Saint Seiya would only be improved if it had more of a sense of humour. The only issue is the lack of fighting for OUR HEROES.
>>290106909Sex with Sphinx
>>290107392They are REALLY flexible.
>>290107163TUNING FULL POWERSHAKING HELL ITSELFHELLSHAKE ORPHEUS
>>290107387Imagine Seiya and Shun trying to roll there.
>>290106497i can't wait to see all of this!
Play Dante's Inferno for an idea of the journey
Gotta go have dinner
>>290107442ENTER.... the ramones?
>>290106579No wonder Orpheus is still around.
>>290107349Trident under the dress
When is the actual Medusa going to appear?Surely, she has some actual resentment towards Athena and could do something now that both are in the underworld.
>>290106711>>290106727This Orpheus is more retarded than the one in the myth.
>>290106747Huh? So the Egyptian guy made a fake sun and there was no real entrance to the Underworld?
>>290106791Her tongue game must be insane.
>>290106874See, there's the key difference between this manga and the myth. Hades is testing Orpheus' faith in the myth, is his love that strong? Orpheus was walking in the eerie silence of the Underworld because Eurydice was a shade, no talking, no footsteps. Doubt was consuming him and he looked back right at the way out.
>>290107370Kanon is just jealous he missed out on the super sneaky Hades strike.
>>290107425Our Heroes. And Minos.
>>290107304We're just skipping all of hell? Why even draw the map?
>>290107583No girls allowed. Except Pandora.
>>290107457Radamanthys is surrounded by dumbasses.
>>290107125Finally learned his lesson then.
Saint Mariya gave Pandora a technique named "Yours Ever" that she uses to control people
>>290107853Rhadamanthys the carrier in this team of bozos.
>>290107349She just can't help it, there's a box? OPEN IT! I bet she'd ruin herself with gacha.
>>290107853How is he still alive?
>>290107457There's no blood, Orphy. They should be fine.
>>290106798Hades didn't cheat in the myths either
>>290108079>>290108101Why didn't Shun attack too?
>>290107853Rhadamanthys is breaking his back being the most competent man in Hades' army.
>>290108127Man, this character was Short lived.
>>290107125Man of FEELS
>>290108175can't take him seriously with that unibrow
>>290108175Teshirogi took this to face.
>>290108156He lived longer than any silver saint not named Shaina and Marin.
>>290108123"Pls no violence!"Also he saw El Hermano
>>290108199shun?!
>>290108254Did japanese readers at the time thought this was bullshit?
>>290106391Fortunately, sunscreen was invented
>>290106362Finally caught up. I'll gladly finish reading this with you all. Really enjoying it even with it's ''flaws'' which I don't mind.
>>290108301its not bullshit if its coolseiya and shun need a power up anyway, maybe shun can channel some of hades power even after hes done being possessed
>>290107985huh, is this what the "Shun is a murderhobo waiting to happen" subplot has been building toward
>>290108301I've always been curious about that. I thought the reveal came out of nowhere but events after the reveal made it work.Shun being noted to have unusually large and strong amounts of Cosmo earlier in the story could be interpreted as foreshadowing too, but lots of characters had large amounts of Cosmo too.
>>290108040I think this confirms he only destroyed the golds because of the debuff.
>>290108079>>290108101>>290108127>actually went through with the friendly fireKurumada is really trying to make Seiya a good protag this arc.
>>290107937El hermano? El padre?
You can tell Kurumada had to start rushing it
>>290108505how long until he loses his sight again
>>290108152I was sure Seiya was going to control his punches to not hit Orphy.
>>290108301funny you mention it because this is the point of no return, and everything from now on will start to feel rushed
>>290108254At least the anime set this up more with Shun dreaming about Pandora in the beginning of the Sanctuary part of the arc.
>>290108569>Seiya jobbed off-screen
>>290108199Shun-chan?!
>>290108569come on not like this seiya
>>290108535>celestial defeat star>gets one-shotedmf never stood a chance in life
>>290108505I thought they come here with their physical bodies this time?
>>290108569Offscreened?
>>290108480Seiya was always a good protagonist.He got outshine by some of other characters, like a lot of other protagonists.
>>290107937I don't know how you can tell when everyone's faces are practically the same.
>>290108617He was also the Troll Specter
>>290108581This is really fucking stupid. Pandora being the mastermind is one thing but Shun is entirely unrelated barring 1 retcon a handful of chapters ago.
>>290108688kanon.... you could have helped them before they were knocked down...
>>290108662I wonder if the star names for the specters are the same as the ones in the water margin or if kurumada came up with new star names instead of copying them. I cant really tell with the translation
>>290108613I wonder if Kurumada considered having Pandora revealed to be manipulating Hades. There were similar moments with Thetis in Poseidon arc but he dropped those quickly.
>>290108707I mean, we also have Lune realizing that Shun looks like Hades
>>290108441Uh there are clearly multiple Stones there.
>>290108715>whoops. forgot to ask him how long it takes to reach the fifht prison.idk why it sounds funny
>>290108736The generals said they've never seen him clearly despite Rhadamanthys supposedly recognizing him so I'm not even sure what to make of that contradiction.
Now that I think on it, Persephone never appeared in any Saint Seiya related stories. Maybe Kurumada thought Persephone would be redundant with Pandora around.
>>290108751fucking Shun gets to find his sister we didnt know existed while Seiya isnt even allowed to look for his one
>>290108788I always assumed the Hades they saw and sensed was an astral projection
>>290108688This guy would've cleared the 12 temples by himself.
>>290108659He was very flat and generic. Now his sense of humor and decisions are starting to stick out.
>>290108807She's in a MMO
>>290108751PandoraxIkki is an incest ship?
>>290108751Where the FUCK is Ikki and why has he never mentioned this?
>>290108807ND will reveal she was June all along.
>>290108751Oh, Shun got a big sister. Where the fuck is Ikki?
>>290108715aura farm first, questions later
So, what were Shiryu and Hyoga doing while Seiya and Shun were doing all this shit?
>>290108903Figuring out how to pay Acheron.
why is canon suddenly top 3?he was shit during the poseidon arc
>>290108880>>290108896>>290108929fun fact: that guy is a beatles reference.
>>290108896>>290108929Canon, you are not Kenshirou; calm down
>>290108853There's a MMO?Honestly, Persephone and her servants +Specters invading Earth to avenge Hades would be an interesting spin off premise.
>>290108938other gold knights are dead of jobbed, hes the only one that can fill the role
>>290108701You would think after countless wars against each other, the Specters should have been familiar with the 'same move won't work twice' gimmick
>>290108878>>290108900He'll have a lot to say about this and many questions when he arrives.
>>290106691>kurumada's attempt at pandering to siscons
>>290108952If Aldebaran can do it, why can't he?
>>290106497>Draw this>skips most of it in one volume
>>290108965>the ones who conspire against the godsThat'd be Tartarus.
>>290109046This is the first time this line is said twice within the same chapter?
>>290109061You can really feel the editors saying GET ON WITH IT.
>>290109061not very different from the cloth fitting charts
>>290108677Stronger than many Gold Knights.
>>290109186>>290109204HOLY ENTER!
>>290109186>Pandora's chest tightens as Ikki enters the underworldEsmeraldasisters, do we have competition?
>>290109204ENTER
>>290109285MY HERO
>>290109224Oda TRACED this
>>290109345Let me see, we have the myth oneThis oneNDLost CanvasDark WingSaint MariyaAll in all, that makes six in total
>>290109285Absolutely nobody in shounen farms aura like Ikki, honestly fucking impressive.
>>290109307>I never pegged you>>290109328Ikki is making a really good point here.
How did Pandora get to Japan or how did Ikki get to Germany, anyway?
>>290109447It's cosmos, you don't have to explain shit.
Uh, where's Shaka and Athena?
>>290109500>Aiakos isn't into manly tearsShame.
>>290108984>I'm not here to exposition dumpbased Rhadamanthys saving Kurumada from coming up with explaination
>>290109522You missed a page
>>290108535I'm Diamond Dust, celestial defeat star
>>290109607The creepiest surplice
Done for todayCome back tomorrow to see if Ikki and Kanon can beat the Three Judges
>>290109680Thanks OP!
>>290109649Thanks OPI missed a day
Charon unmasked
>>290109713Reminds me of some western actor
Sphinx
>>290109748
>>290109149Rape doujin be like.
>>290109372that's a 2 years old Ikki? What did they feed him at the orphanage, i wonder
>>290109372>This one>ND>Lost CanvasThose three are technically varying degrees of the same one.
>>290109204RE-ENTER!
>>290109447>I'd completely forgotten about this retroactively inserted event until just now.>Why do I have deja vu?
>>290107442>>290109607
>>290109825It kind of misses the chest face
>>290109825
>>290109423Kek, why bundle it like a baby?
>>290107457>>290109619
>>290109863
>>290109619Griphon is the peak of cloth creep only gold ophiuchus is comparable
>>290109680Thanks.
>>290108938Ikki mentioned Kanon is as strong as Saga in the Poseidon arc.
>>290109579Damn, Ikki is so fucking cool. No wonder why Kurumada said he'd fall in love with Ikki if he was a woman
>>290109713Charon got his own myth cloth? I didn't expect that. I mean, he's ugly
>>290108938He was beating the shit out of Ikki who said his strength mirrored Saga's. Ikki wasn't properly fighting back though.
>>290110012He is one of the few specters with a personality
>>290108849Seiya was never flat. He had clear motivation at the start and active tension with Saori and has a whole character arc about coming to terms with sainthood. He's always had a history of quipping at his opponents expense too. He practically told Ikki to stop being a bitch.
>>290110077I mean flat as in uninteresting, not that he doesn't have an arc.>He's always had a history of quipping at his opponents expense too.His bants were pretty shit.
You know, given how horribly brutal Sanctuary is with itself, could it be that without Athena for so long and the influence of Evil Saga that it became so cruel? Later instalments don't portray it anywhere near as bad.
>>290108938We gotta speed up the arc.
>>290110122But then who is? Who exactly outshines him and why?
>>290110077The humor from the last volume was pretty out of character
>>290110177Before Hades, really just Ikki and Mu to be honest. Ikki is Him and Mu gets to have a lot of interesting interactions. The others are written to their roles without much or any deviation and aren't over the top like Ikki.
>>290106975Both were inspired by the divine comedy
>>290110134You have to remember how recent children's rights are and how hard is for Asians to understand the concept of individual rights. Jackie Chan was sold by his parents to a Chinese Opera school and he went through a gruesome training comparable to a saint and as a result he became superhuman. That wasn't that long ago. In fact it was the rule, not the exception. Nowadays Chinese opera students go to school and have medical assistance which Jackie could only dream during his childhood.But yeah, they're definitely trying to whitewash the saint training in recent entries. Athena even gave the saints a fucking springbreak in Omega
>>290108408Hold on, last time we saw Shiryu he was blind. Did they fix his eyesight off screen?
>>290110417He's in the underworld so it was fixed like the last time.
>>290108575And the CG show gave Shun the medallion when he was a baby
>>290107304idk you guys but pandora is hot
>>290110714She's beautiful
>>290108701LMAO he let Hyoga and Shiryu get hit on purpose
>>290108976In universe, these specters were introduced to cosmos a month or so ago
>>290110486And they explained it as soon as I continued reading. I just figured seeing how everyone saying we are in rush mode Kurumada just omitted Shiryu getting his eyesight back.>>290109270A good ENTER but I think the ENTERs from previous arcs were much cooler.
>>290108946His surplice also got less detailed in the anime
>>290110810every armor gets less detailed in the anime
>>290111019His is noticeable, he lost some arms
>>290109649Is the user goy or chosen?
>>290109713Now that is an Akira Toriyama face.
also speaking of the anime, thanks to the fiasco that it was movie 5 the previous director "shigeyasu yamauchi" was changed for a new director "tomoharu katsumata", his works involved "cyborg 009 (1968)", "devilman (1972)","mazinger Z (1972)", and also he worked on fist of the north star, im telling you this because its well known that hades inferno and elysium are infamous for having "worse animation" compared to hades sanctuary.
>>290111110QRD about how bad the movie was?
>>290111250>Rushed.>Shiryu VA was dying.>Confusing plot.>Sequel despite the hades arc not being fully animated, which caused more confusion.>Offscreen fights.>3rd "gods judge humanity" story.>uninspired enemies.>A good chunk of it was seiya limping around, while being used as a punching bag.
>>290111296>>A good chunk of it was seiya limping around, while being used as a punching bag.nothing unusual there
>>290110603Anon, please, download any windows activator.
>>290111250for starters the movie came out after hades sanctuary as a prologue/overture (hence the name) for the zeus arc/heaven arc, as for the movie itself the plot barely makes any sense,its a rehash of movie 3 and outside seiya and athena the rest of the main cast only appears to have a fight and that all, the animation aged like milk with choreographies being borderline confusing, the only thing that matters and people tend to remember is the final 5 minutes where apollon appearsalso it was the reason why after adapting the hades arc kurumada asked TMS for a TLC anime
>>290111305In this case, it looked like they were beating a terminal patient.The first scene was a bunch of angels failing to assassinate a comatose Seiya, who was left alone.
>>290111353just like Poseidon but less fakeout explosions
>>290111296>Sequel despite the hades arc not being fully animated, which caused more confusion.wanna know something funnier? kurumada himself told them that it was a bad idea to release it before adapting the rest of hades
Late night bump
>>290106785She had who knows how many years to piece things together.
>>290107285Wonder what'll happen this chapter?
>>290109825My personal favourite
>>290108680Same hair
>>290108561Damn, and I was enjoying this arc too.
>>290106941HELLSHAKEHELLSHAKEHELLSHAKE
>>290108715>teheporo
>>290109204>kept you waiting, huh?
>>290106497Always wondered about the second Maleborge and figured they'd never visit it.
>>290109381Kurei comes close
>>290109061To be fair some felt like detours to place they didn't even need to go.
>>290106691Bitch
>>290109607>>290109619Why are they hentai protagonists?
>>290107418kek
>>290107403>>290107425>>290107442Oh they're so fucked
>>290107457I was wondering why they were even having a concert in the middle of an emergency, guess that explains it
Why didn't Minos just dropkick Canon into Cocytus? Is he retarded?
>>290107999Orpheus won! That's it for the Hades Arc!
>>290108548He was kinda dead either way after Rhadamantys donuted him
>>290108408I wonder what Athena is doing during all this
>>290113284shit my bad anon, i tend to forgot theres some first time readers in this storytime threads
>>290109073I think it's two consecutive chapters instead of just one
>>290109107Ooooh freaky
>>290109386loli pandora is pretty cute
>>290109588World's weirdest LyreIt looks really normal as armor though
>>290106791>"Hades is not a being you bronzes could hope to comprehend, unlike me an enlightened silver who has spoken to Buddha multiple times... Wait that's not me."
>>290106925>>290106941https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1kD1a0MBjc
>>290107035It happens, some leave their heart unguarded during an attack others rely on the G string.
>>290107000The pride of the string instrument players.
I just looked at Orpheus' anime color scheme and whew that's a lot of blue
>>290107328Where did he get that trunk?
>>290107457Rada is such a worrywart.
>>290108680That's racist anon.
>>290113284Don't worry. There's still some cool shit after this.
>>290108505>>290108524>>290108535>"My name is Celestial Defeat Star-ACK!"Hillarious sequence.
>>290108707It was worse in the anime where in the last episode of the Sanctuary Arc Pandora sees Shun and just says "that man looks familiar".
>>290108788He said very few spectres knew what Hades looks like.
>>290108865What would be being an heretic mean in the world of Saint Seiya?
>>290109204the real EL HERMANO
>>290109107This is the weirdest attack in the franchise
>>290114417I know René did.
>>290110134I think a lot of it had to do with Saga being schizo.LC Sanctuary wasn't that harsh despite being in open war with Hades.Ares/Mars's people ran Sanctuary for the first half of Omega and they didn't go as far as Saga did despite their own brand of shadiness.
>>290108938he always wassaga>kanon>>>>everyone else
>>290110212It wasn't really. Seiya had a few moments like that here and there even when the gold saint arc started.
>>290115272TLC had Sasha openly weeping for silvers and they got along very well. It was a lot nicer.
>>290115059 ND Cancer beat it
>>290111343>spoilersthis, i am tired of people overselling that movie as the best product there was only because they saw the last minutes of it (whoch are cool) and nothing else
As a first time reader I can only assume that the internet culture surrounding it comes more from the anime rather than the manga? I don't see people refrencing the manga as much as the anime.
>>290114136This one is more silvery
>>290108880This guy would be more fitting for the 3rd prison than this>>290108456 guy. As a Dung Beetle feels more fitting for a prison where the main thing is rolling giant balls.
>>290111343And yet, TLCfags keep on shitting on Kurumada, simply because TLC anime happened to not be popular among Japanese viewers and flopped hard.
>>290107583Her head is stuck in a shield in a silver cloth, she's not really important
>>290107774And de keep re-telling the myth because maybe, maybe the next Time he wont turn around
>>290108751Me on the toilet, btw.>>290106727Weird eyes she has.
>>290117318Kurumada likes Shotaro Ishinomori, it seems
>>290117292Is her soul headless now or what?
>>290109863I have this one
>>290117442Well Gorgons are mostly a head charm to warn evil spirits
>>290116924The shoes being upside down always looked silly. It looks like the cloth is trying to do a handstand.
>>290118473Libra is also upside down
>>290108524I imagine some higher up at WSJ saw that huge map with a million locations and told him to chill the fuck out
>>290113491To give a more ominous appearance? Their masks also seem to be their "real" faces
>>290108880He's a big guy
>>290108903>>290108920>Wait here I'll go home to get the money
>>290118992Fucking idiots
>>290109447Maybe a dream or vision, I think the anime either went with it or just added a lot of blood for drama
so eurydice is just going to stay as a half statue forever?
>>290120552Pretty much, yeah. But it's not as different from being a plain shade in the underworld.
>>290120552At the end the underworld is destroyed so maybe Eurydice finds peace in nothingness. Kurumada is an outspoken atheist
>>290118983But on this one it feels more evident.
>>290110603They should added a scene of Shun wondering why she feels like she met Seiya a long time ago
Is the Final Edition available to read anywhere?
>>290121327>she
>>290106961That would have made a bit more sense for Anime Shun to claim, having fought Mime
>>290111296There were deleted/unused scenes of the other B-Bronzes too
>>290111450He'd also wanted Seika taking care of Seiya, not Saori.But then he had Saori be the one to oversee him in ND and held Seika off for the actual Tenkai manga.
>>290116924Wasn't Orphee's original manga color scheme pink with blond hair?
>>290117366Yeah, you can see the mystery woman eyes in Sukeban Arashi and then on the Black Dragon (but not his irrelevant twin).
>>290109447This is probably why Eugene Son had Nero and Shaun be Germans, in early setting info for the hacky CGI show. He also had Long as actually Chinese but didn't foresee the redundancy of "Dragon Long".
>>290109328>uh? nah he's not lolBased
>>290110354>springbreakHonestly, as much as we made fun of saint school in Omega, Athena streamlining the process into a single curriculum instead of sending kids to far off parts of the world to die for the chance that maybe one of them would get a cloth was a good thing.
>>290109386cute!
>>290109386Ikki isn't the only giant toddler
>>290124789I don't like the idea of it being a "school" but making it more modern after the travesty of the prior Sanctuary is still somewhat good. They need to maintain their forces somehow.
It just hit me how similar Ikki showing up against the Three Judges is to Hyunkel showing up to back Popp up agaisnt the Dragon Riders
>>290125111Pandora's one year older than Ikki so she'd be four here, which actually feels right
>>290126132Speaking of Dragon Quest, do we ever have a chance of getting our hell arc? Saint Seiya is getting its heaven arc, so why can't we get our hell arc? The Avan manga finished the Maam arc and we should get a timeskip to a Popp arc soon.
Fun factZura from Gintama is based on Shiryu
>>290124789>>290125193It's one of those things that show the SS fandom aged. A kid sees surviving a brutal training as badass and dream to as manly as the bronze saints. Meanwhile an adult sees child abuse and feel icky
>>290124789Dammit did NOBODY read the subtitles? Palaestra was for those already graduated to Sainthood to perfect their abilities without being sent to death battles.We only have seen (a bit of) Kouga's and Yuna's training and it wasn't really different from classic training, just less mean-spirited
>>290127531>A kid sees surviving a brutal training as badass and dream to as manly as the bronze saints. Meanwhile an adult sees child abuse and feel ickyDepends on the person. I like Seiya's rebeliousness, but I also enjoyed his growth through his training. Unicorn was the first to drink the kool-aid.
>>290127531I like it in the original. It's not that it's child abuse, but I like the idea that they saw how flawed it was because it just diminishes their forces. They can keep intense without literally killing everyone.
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