Spoilers are out, /a/If that final Madoka/Homu scene is true, we're getting one of the most heartbreaking moments in anime history.Thanks Urobutcher, I lovehate it.
>>290510939The spoilers sound pretty interesting so far yeah. Different from what people were expecting I think.
>>290510939I heard it is sequel bait
>>290510939Heard there's tons of Homusaya. Never thought I'd see that happen, ever.
>>290511021I'm kind of excited for the movie actually. Who knows whether it will be good or not, but it sounds interesting, and I consider being interesting to be one of the ingredients required to make a good story.
>>290510939They will reunite in the next oneNothing will change until either Homura decides herself to move on, or Madoka decides herself to stop being a martyr They can't decide for each other, it doesn't work
What I've got from the last 2 threads is that I should watch that assassin anime/VN Urobuchi did
>>290512406The face of evil
As expected gacha is already going all out.
Madoka is dead and this is her corpse
>>290510939I love them both
So will she move on or will she continue chasing after the one that got away?
So what do you think the next movie will be about?
>>290512838Hang on anon we barely understand what this current movie is about so far
>>290512838The Law of Cycles being fucked over by whatever Kyubey is doing somehow Homura remembers what happened and is upset, the rest of the quintet is probably not happy about it either assuming they can rememberFilm ends with Homura moving on from Madoka, gets an office job as a hogmura
>>290512838Our new protagonist Sayaka tries to stop Qb's nefarious schemes together with Green Kyoko, both wielding their legally distinct stands I mean witch form powers. Mami says Tiro Finale during a big fight scene. Red Kyoko has one scene where she helps an actually important character realise something. Madoka is there too btw.
>>290510939I need more Sayaka in my life.
>>290512604Damn they actually gave her for free.
>>290513147And what about Homura
So is Madoka the LoC part time or was that just people coping day 1 about the ending?
>>290512838Homura lost her memories Kyubey does some bullshit Witches are attacking Mami and Kyoko fight the witches, maybe one of them is turnedSayaka being once again the only character allowed to know what's happening decides they need Homudevil to defeat the little shitHomura regains her memories and powers Homura beats the shit out of KyubeyMadokami appearsMovie ends teasing the next one will feature the confrontation between them that should have been in Kaiten instead The next movie will start on something completely different and be entirely about learning what's up with the new setting like Rebellion instead.
>>290513244Completely memorywiped and back to being a nerdy loser until the cliffhanger teases her getting her memories back.
>>290513309I have no clue. But no matter what Madoka does before it, she still disappears and leaves Homura on the bench, so. Usually that means bad things in movies.
>>290512838Mami's naked adventures
Can Homura just die already so this story can end
>>290513336>Movie ends teasing the next one will feature the confrontation between them that should have been in Kaiten instead>The next movie will start on something completely different and be entirely about learning what's up with the new setting like Rebellion instead.The 6th film ends with the Madohomu fight only for Homura to end up on the fucking bench again
>>290513445That would be too nice to her so noShe needs to be alive and suffering or else they can't pump out another moviePoor Homu
>>290513336From everyone else's perspective wtf happens in the end?does Homura and Madoka/LoC just disappear so they can have the bench scene? Wtf do the Quintet think is happening?
>>290513445She'll futilely chase her oneitus forever and you will like it
Can they ever be happy
Homura is still a meguca at the end of Kaiten anyway, right? Or is she just a normal person now?
>Madoka is not a character, she's a cosmic goalpost for Homura and a plot device>Kyouko is not a character, she's just an exposition and lore dump recipient>Mami is not a character, she's just Tiro Finale girl>Green Kyouko is not a character, she's just Ms Exposition
>>290513676She's not a demon anymore.
>>290513699Green Kyoko is there to distract Kyoko so Sayaka can team-up with Homura.
>>290513699>plot deviceYou might be think of Mayuri from S;G, Madoka actually has a character regardless of how much screen time she has.
>>290513699>we need a Sayaka and Homura team up movie>fuck everyone elseit didn't have to be this way...
>>290513699>Steins;Gate nigger talking about exposition and plot devicesIronic.
>>290513724Yeah, I got thatI'm wondering what she is now tho. Or do they leave it ambiguous?She would still have to be a meguca, right? And if she forgot everything than I can't imagine her not wondering why the fuck she became one
>Thread activity is back to being low againCamrips can't come soon enoughAnywaysI'd fuck Green Kyouko
>>290513818>Homura got memory wiped and turned back to humanwhere does that even come from? does it actually happen or is it just one of the many interpretations of the ending?
Mayuri is one of the biggest plot devices in a popular anime. She does almost nothing, just has one catchphrase and then dies for the plot. Even Madoka's subdued actions during the story are actually massive and story defining in comparison.
>>290513892It's one of the interpretations
>>290513641They deserve to be happy. It's just the world they live in is cruel.
>>290513878She cute, looks like she could be a teacher or librarian.
>>290514031So, is something people is making out of nowhere.
>>290513878So would Red Kyouko
I've seen mixed opinions on this on fusetter but it seems people can't decide if Homura has moved on at the end or will never move on I think she hasn't but she will eventually>>290514037True. It's sad that Madoka won't even get to be happy long term and that Homura probably won't either
She's going to be so confused when she wakes up
I'd still fuck Selma even if she's a crazy bitch
>>290513676Good fucking question. Until we get the BD and can zoom in on her nails it's up in the air.
>>290513761>Madoka actually has a character*had
>>290514244I'd fuck Selma especially because she's a crazy bitch
>>290514244>>290514328She's for white haired alien rats only
>>290514296*has. Mayuri never did.
Ai yo is eternal
I'm still hoping that Madoka decided not to join the LoC and that's why Homura is smiling
>>290514198Homura will never move on when even dumbass Sayaka can convince her not to give up
It depends too who Madoka was talking toIf she refused the LoC than there's no way Homura would even need to consider moving onIf she went with it than Homura probably should move on but I doubt that she has alreadyIn the second case I wonder why Homura was smiling
>>290512604Honestly yeah, if it's true she lost her humanity. She looks fucking dead inside in her special and her words are devoid of warmth.
I will hope that this is a good ending for Homuraand if I see it and conclude that it isn't I will continue to bitch about it
>>290510939What killed the hype?
>>290514855Unironically Steins;Gate shitters spamming shitposts.
>>290514855Movie's ending is ambiguous and no camrips Nothing much to talk about unless you watch to bitch at something that might or might not have happened depending on wtf the ending even means
>>290515031This
We got like 6 threads that were mostly talking about the new movieI can be happy about that
>>290515078Yeah 4chan is basically dead these days. 6 threads is actually quite a lot for the activity this board has.
>>290515078>>290515115Threads will probably continue to be more active for the next few days nut not to the same extent. At least until people can view it I doubt that this one will last more than 12 hours
>>290513162We all do.
>>290513641Throw Sayaka in there. At this point they're a trio that go above all for the other's sake.
>>290515174It depends a lot on how much the Steins;Gate retard spams his shitposts too. I'm going to be honest out of those 6 threads I suspect he's at least one full thread's (500 posts) worth of the activity.
>>290515271Sayaka will probably be happyHomura might be happyIt's really up to whatever happened to Madoka
>>290513162Homura now canonically thinks this
I honestly don't see either interpretation as being more or less likelyFor every point of Madoka staying apart from the LoC there's one that makes it seem likely that she returned to itAnd for every point of Madoka re-joining the LoC there's a counterargument that makes it seem unlikelyIf I wasn't tired and had actually seen the movie I'd try making an infographic about it
People still care about this after complete character assassination of Homura and Madoka? I don't know who wrote this but it sure as fuck wasn't Urobuchi. It just feels petty and mean spirited, won't be surprised if they hired some western writers with agenda.
>>290515471You haven't even watched it yet Steins;Gate tard.
>let's ruin Rebellion's perfect ending by making an unnecessary sequel 13 years later that completely shits on and ruins beloved characters while propping up a cast of literally who glup shittosBravo shaft
My yuri? Sayaka'd. my popcorn? Nonexistent.
>>290515506Not your boogeyman. And you didn't watch it either.All the spoilers and the fact that diehard Jap fans hate it is enough
>Steins:Gate fag will now be shitting this thread up with useless criticism so that any actual critiques of this film seem non-legitimateLovely
It's probably not great but I'll have hope that it's better than how its been made out to be.
What were Inu Curry and Urobuchi smoking. What the fuck do you mean you had no ideas for the sequel after the shit you built up in Rebellion.... Is Urobuchi actually stupid?
>>290515588That fanbase is legitimately full of stupid people.
Walpurgis backstory seems pretty cool
>>290515532It's only two completely new characters that get focus, Walpurgisnacht is neither brand new nor a literal who. I didn't feel like anyone got particularly shat on either so you'll have to elaborate. (screentime/relevance-wise I guess you could say Mami got done dirty, but that's about it)
>>290515297ProbablyA lot of the anger is pretty organic tho but it seems that he's clearly going to be shitting these threads up with it just to piss people off.Kaiten might be bad (haven't seen it yet) but it's still better than Steins;Gate
>>290510939So whats the final scene?
Let's write a thank you letter to Urobuchi one word at a time. I'll startThanks
>>290515631The predominant opinion from japanese people who watched it just seems to be confusion, for ever super negative review there's also a super positive one, so I don't think it's as bad as it seems.
>>290515721ThisWe don't know wtf it means tho
>>290515726For
>>290515700It's not clear to me how much of the anger is organic or not organic to me at this point, I have to go outside of the website it even get a read on anything. Look at what this fucking schizo is spamming with his AI over on another board:>>>/u/4595546
>>290515745Homura
>>290515745Nothing
>>290515765Kino!
Do they not live together anymore? What even happened? I heard Kyoko apparently just brushes it off when Sayaka tells her something is wrong, and Kyoko even wastes food. Is Sayaka the only one who didn't get character assassinated (aside from Mami who has no relevance)?
>>290515734It's probably going to be a 7/10Not great compared to Rebellion or the original but still good enoughBrightside of the fact that we know this isn't the end is the fact that we won't be arguing about the ending for another 13 years this time
>>290513445Homura and homufags will suffer for all eternity
>>290515634Urobuchi only ever wanted Homura to be saved by Madoka (because Madoka was right), not a surprise he had no ideas when Rebellion's ending was Shinbo's plot twist, not his.
I've thought about it and independently of what the ending actually is I feel like the movie is still pissing on the original series. Madoka's wish was presented as this grandiose moment of true salvation for all magical girls that leaves Kyubey baffled at the fact that it succeeds and she saves herself too. Even in Rebellion Homura only has a problem with what Madoka is doing to herself, not with how she saves others, and the girls she saved seem fully supportive of what she did. It's presented as a genuine solution for them. Then at the end Incubators are btfo'd by the LoC which they tried to contain, and go lamenting their own failure to comprehend it. Then they're btfo'd again by Homura. But now in Kaiten>actually witches (the whole thing the series's resolution was about) were always a thing Qb created by twisting a wish>actually there's a place outside the universe (created as a result of that wish) where the LoC's powers don't reach and which can turn girls into witches anyway >actually Kyubey is a major player again who can and will fuck with the LoC thanks to said place that he created to begin with Both the series and Rebellion framed Madoka's wish as a way to beat the system, meanwhile Kaiten says she was actually still always playing by Qb's rules and he can just twist and mess around with what was originally presented as a true solution that went beyond his calculations and ability to comprehend.
>>290515772I
Hate
Love
Madoka
Bitch
>>290515803>we won't be arguing about the ending for another 13 years this timeLol. Lmao. You really think that?
>>290515827People will focus much more on the ending than on any of the films structural problems. It's understandable tho since the ending is... the endingChances the manga clarifies anything? Volume 1 comes out in the middle of September
>>290515742Sounds pretty clear to me
>>290515879It's only going to be 7 this timeTrust in SHAFT
>>290515773Huh, I guess you could interpret it as Kyoko brushing her off, but to me it came off as Kyoko discouraging her from pursuing this "feeling that something is wrong" because she's worried about how it's very clearly fucking with Sayaka's mental health. Anyway Homura recruits Sayaka for their mission shortly after so the two of them don't really interact all that much in this movie.
>>290515859even
Steins>>290515934
>>290515897The manga will>100% give a clear answer to things>100% be ignored as non canon by the next animated thingAs always with all Madoka side material being B type canon at best.
>>290515948Slop
faggot
Handsome
I'm so tired of the schizo I think I'm actually going to start embodying the ghost he believes in.
>>290515964>100% give a clear answer to thingsHanokage is a pretty big Madohomu fag so I expect it to go with the 'Madoka returned to live with the quintet instead of going back to the LoC' interpretation of the ending instead of the other oneMovie 5 will use the other one
>>290516024You don't have to pretend when people already know you're here...
Sayaka-chan
Better
>>290516024>Steins;Gate shitter pretends he hasn't been here all dayWho are you trying to fool here
>>290515828 is currently still the last post in the letter because none of you retards are linking yours correctly btw.
>officially 28th of August>tfwI survived Madoka Raising... the worst was Persona 4 Goldenhttps://youtu.be/kwiuX2OAvJgI remember the kundalini!!!
>>290515726>Thanks For Homura Kino! I Hate Love Madoka Bitch Even Steins Slop Faggot Handsome Sayaka-chan BetterThis is what the third-thread felt like with the Madohomu fags being pissed at Madoka
>>290515750The fucking state of Rebellionfags.
Is there a camrip? A snuck screenshot? I havent seen shit besides the phamplet leaks and i need it.
>>290516123That's the thing, it's not a Rebellionfag. It's a Steins;Gate fag spamming an AI argument with himself.
If the Rebellion credits (with Madoka and Homura united) were ignored in Kaiten then I'm ignoring the Kaiten credits with Madoka's footprints going away from Homura's
>>290516058Kiss
Herself
And
Bench
Max
With
Kyubey
By the time the next movie comes out will there be a consensus on the ending?
>>290515827My mind is hazy but I think Kyubey sounded surprised when Walpurgis created the witch system and that whole place outside the universe. Her actual wish was to save every everyone including that normal shota, and the witch system and all that other stuff were basically just one fucking massive side effect
>>290512838Nagisa God arc. >>290511193There isn't. And you're schizo. You also didn't hear that.
>>290516274For that time they most likely would've talked about the meaning of the ending in some interview.
So now that the dust has settled, what's the verdict?
Urobuchi will actually write something new or just approve fanfics to get free money?
>>290516374>Better than Steins;Gate>Worse than Rebellion>Ending is confusion>Homura... won??? or maybe she lost???>Homusayafags and Nagisafags won >Green Kyouko
>>290515926Oh, that's a relief. Thank you anon. Whether romantic or platonic, their friendship is nice and I don't want the movie to squash that.I still hope one day Madoka and Homura can talk too, if there is going to be another sequel after all... Question is if they'll sit on their asses for years again.
>>290510939What if Madoka said I love Emilia
please.
>>290516374Better than Steins;Gate. Beyond that who knows, could be good or bad.
>>290514855ending with 'to be continued' and homura probably still being separate from madoka is massively sourwe're going to wait 2-8 years for something that could've been resolved in ten minutes
>>290516274I should've said announcedUnless they somehow don't spoil what happens in the trailers, we will obviously the consensus >>290516367Yeah, they probably will soonishNext movie for the 20th anniversary?
I don't want Kyubey to be the main villain again. He's too two-dimensional.
>>290516464>and homura probably still being separate from madoka is massively sourIf it wasn't so... vague about it, there would still probably be more discussion. The fact that we don't know or even understand it really is probably part of the reason there's less activity in the threads by this point.
>>290516224>>290516229>>290516252>>290516270Lmao
>>290511021ship and yuricucks lost again when it came to an important madoka entry. Of course it'll be better
>>290516524>If it wasn't so... vague about it, there would still probably be more discussion.Yeah. If that was certain people here and in japan would be raging about it non-stop.
>>290516424>Homusayafags wonNo matter how much you keep saying this it will never be true.
I can't see it being the end of Homura regardless of whatever happened to Madoka
>>290514855A 13-year wait for something that's not as good as Rebellion or TV series.The Japanese have started the blame game over who is responsible for this disaster.
>>290510939>Rebellion pissed off people who liked the original show>Kaiten pissed off people who liked RebellionTime is a flat circle. I wouldn't be surprised if 99% of the fanbase in the future is replaced with people who say Kaiten was a masterpiece too
I live in Japan and just came out of the theatre. That was a disaster. Worse than Steins;Gate
>>290516716>Worse than Steins;GateNot possible.
>>290516652Rebellion came out only 2 years after the show instead of 13 and didn't end on a shitty cliffhanger because they want to milk even shittier sequels.
>>290516776It did end on a cliffhanger, just not a shitty one.
>>290516716>Worse than Steins;GateSurely it cannot be that bad.
>>290516776>didn't end on a shitty cliffhangerdecades of copeposting have really rewired your brain
>>290516852>shitty
>>290516873Yes it wasn't shitty, though if you had been around back then you would've called it that (wrongly).
>>290516914*(rightly)
Japs mostly seem to see it as Madoka leaving forever
>>290515817What does Shinbo have to say about this movie? Don't think I've seen anything from him yet. Did he even direct it or is his name just slapped on it like most Shaft anime?
>>290516947There isn't any other way to interpret Madoka disappearing and leaving Homura on the bench, all the other nitpicks about "what did she say", "who did she say it to", "she was forced", "homu smiled", "who was phone" are minor cope compared to the biggest, most obvious action, which is Madoka fucking off.
Wow Japanese fans are vocal about Kaiten and they are not happy. They're discontented with the lack of MadoHomu and the whole jobber thing. I guess they were holding out hope for Homu. There's even a petition that's garnered thousands of signatures to string up and flay Urobuchi. Obviously that wont happen but it shows how unhappy they are.
She did nothing wrong>>290516983>"homu smiled"Assuming Madoka did leave I wonder why she was smiling in the final shotThere's no way Homura would accept Madoka leaving, to do so would reject principle 1 of all Homura discourse >She did nothing wrong and everything she did for Madoka was morally right
Homura cuck bench meme
>>290516957I dunno, but with all the Sayakafagging the movie seems to do I wouldn't be surprised if Shinbo had a large hand in Kaiten.
>>290516947Until the next movie in which Homura will drag her down again and takes her place again
>>290516983>which is Madoka fucking off.Don't they leave at different timesWith the LoC going first and then Madoka being gone in the next shot?
>>290517025It's been 13 years and they forgot how to write their characters. Or most likely didn't care
>>290516716>Worse than Steins;GateNah this is a big cope from Steins;Gate fags propping up their mid anime
>>290517025I was thinking she is smiling because she thought she finally saved Madoka. But as she is sound asleep, she doesn't notice Madoka has disappeared.
>>290517063And the thing is their own series also just got a shitty remake that milks the franchise, and being a remake is has a magnitude less creativity than whatever went into this movie.
>>290516983>which is Madoka fucking off.And that could have different meanings depending about the context.It's like saying "Homura turning into a demon and calling herself evil incarnate only can mean one thing", and yet, everyone who thought she would be the villan for the next movie after Rebellion ended like clowns.
I'm not against Homura deciding to fully let go of Madoka nothing about Kaiten seems to indicate that's what happened, and we see the rest of the Quintet telling Homura to save her after she almost does, so I don't think it ends with Homura being okay with Madoka going.This feels like an ending for the next movie, not this one
>sayaka wants homura to be with madoka her best friend >homura grows closer with sayaka and wants madoka >madoka cares deeply for both This is a throuple.
Why are people assuming Madoka was fucking off permanently? Maybe she just left Homura to chill on the bench for a bit while she went to do her loc things
>>290517053>LoC left first, and then Madoka, which means... ???This is another example of the minor cope I was talking about, it doesn't change the fact that she's gone at the end of the movie. Trying to interpret it in a way that suggests Madoka is still with Homura involves too many lunatic gymnastics when the answer is right there in people's faces, people just don't want to believe it.
>>290517083>But as she is sound asleep, she doesn't notice Madoka has disappearedPainful Dick Move, Madoka. If you were leaving forever and you won't let her know than at least wake her up again
>>290517113>This feels like an ending for the next movie, not this oneWhich is something I said before. Maybe the between scenes is supposed to mean there was a time skip and the bench thing happend a time after Homura took Madoka away from the LoC.
>>290517110Homura turning into a demon and calling herself evil was already obviously portrayed by the movie as her being conflicted, you're confusing people's surface level reading for what the movie actually pushed, which was also simple despite the surreal animation.
>>290517164>5th movie is an explanation for how Kaiten ends
>>290516997I do not miss /snk/
>>290517156What if Madoka put her into a coma so she can dream forever
>>290517176>Homura turning into a demon and calling herself evil was already obviously portrayed by the movie as her being conflicted????Retarded, she literaly said "I will not hesitate anymore"
Maybe it's what that one Anon saidThe Loc leaving and Madoka leaving happen at two different times but are just at the same location
>>290517131the next movie? madosaya.
>>290517213I'm talking about the literal end of Rebellion dude, since we're comparing the endings of Kaiten to Rebellion.
>>290517202What's the point when taking her into the LoC will do the same anywayUnless the last scene takes place inside the Law of Cycles and this is Homura's death sleepMaybe Madoka will be forced to wake her up like she did with Sayaka and Nagisa in movie 5
Kaiten teaches us that Homura is an easily abusable doormat
>>290517272>I'm talking about the literal end of Rebellion dudeThen, Why you don't remember what Homura said just before the whole I was waiting for this moment sequence?
Homura being dead inside of the Law of Cycles seems more likely than Madoka just leaving her on Earth, right?
>>290512838hopefully the war against incubator(s)
>>290517288This is Homuras true self. A gentle sweetheart>Pic related
>>290517313What? Like I said, I was talking about the ending, the whole Homura turning into a devil, trapping everyone in her world, acting chuuni, then Madoka's glowie eyes, etc. That particular ending was very obvious about how Homura wasn't actually a bad guy, but just conflicted. It's easy to read, and seemingly so is Kaiten despite many people getting confused, much like people got confused at Rebellion's ending. I was conflating your devil transformation example with the general ending of Rebellion if that wasn't clear, not talking about the literal transformation scene.
>>290517311Calm down, Madoka
>>290517354I love her so much.
>>290517354She truly did nothing wrong and she deserves to live a happy life with those she loves
>>290512600Anyone in Japan can confirm if they gave shikishi again? I've only seen pic
>>290517365What in telling you is simple. How was she conflicted about her actions when she stated just before them that she will no hesitate about them?
You get (one) wish from Kyubey about how to end Madoka Magica, what do you ask?
>>290517321So the ending to Homura's story is her being taken to the LoC anyway? Her consolation prize is her being recognized as Madoka's super simp by everyone and Madoka? lmao
>>290517156There is also this interpretation, which would explain Madoka saying "sorry" in the scene with the LoC...https://fusetter.com/tw/kQoGYs45?utm_source=explore
>>290517462With Homura and Madoka together somehow.
>>290517461>the half moon scene>dead eyes>her obviously being extremely unhappy>everything else about how she was portrayedAnyway, since you don't seem to know English, I don't think it's worth continuing this any further.
Any bench art yet?
>>290517462The fifth movie would have earned helplessness for almost the entire run until it does a 180 and has a earned happy ending I guess?
>>290510939Walpurgis is misunderstood. It was necessary movie.
>>290517516Madoka is already together with Homura in spirit
>>290517545Possibly, I'm not going to pretend I know or understand what the ending is.
>>290517522>None of that means she was conflicted.The fact she was not happy for the outcome she created doesn't mean she lack the will to keep going with it until the end.
>>290517479>Homura gets 'it was all a dream'd' and continues to believe in her make believe world Grim
>>290517479>The scene where Madoka negotiates with the Law of Cycles is for Homura to use the power for her own purposes to create a microcosm in which she can live under the illusion of happinessIsn't that how the LoC already works. With the people in it essentially being asleep?
>>290517472It's either that or she's still on Earth as the super simpSomehow neither feel good
>>290517599Madoka can't be together with her in real life, so isn't it a good compromise?
>>290517528Doesn't seem like it>>290517516The ending Homura deserves
>>290517479So that is where the whole "Madoka took away Homura's memories" and "Homura got trapped in a dream" came from.That makes some sense, but Homura was not a magical girl, nor a witch anymore, so I don't know if the LoC would've take her.
>>290517656At least on Earth there's a possibility she'll grow, change and find new things to make her strong and happy, if she's stuck dreaming her character is frozen as perpetually one-sided, unfulfilled, and alone.
>>290517420look at that fucking nerd>she unironically thought simping for her friend would make her staylol, lmao even
>>290517437Not in Japan, but the answer is yes.
>>290517668Honestly It would be better for her to keep Homura on Earth, aliveIt probably won't work out, but at the very least she'd have the real Sayaka with her and COULD (possibly) move onDoing the Rebellion Witch labyrinth thing again feels cruel, like she wants Homura to be stuck obsessing over her even now
>>290517730>That makes some sense, but Homura was not a magical girlShe still had her Soul Gem right?Is there anything to say that the Homura at the end is no longer a Meguca outside of speculation?
Peaceful hours in the meguca thread.
>>290517803>She still had her Soul Gem right?No. It turned into a "Dark Orb" because she's not a magical girl anymore.
I would rather Homura just moves on than is stuck living a lieMadoka will never feel the way, so she should cut her loses and find happiness with those who are still beside her
>>290517321honestly I don't know if there's any point debating this until either we get an interview telling us wtf actually happened or the next movie comes out
>>290517771This is basically the show's ending with Homura remembering Madoka but seeming to move on with Mami and Kyouko
>>290516293It will be endlessly weird how Qb just has the power to do fucking anything but only if a little girl asks nicely and he doesn't even realise the limits of his powers. Technically Qb made Madoka a god so he's stronger.
>>290517132This. Maybe Madoka had something important to do.
>>290517924It's because QB isn't the one with the power, Madoka is. He only knows how to unlock it essentially.
>>290517731Yeah, it would better for her to be on Earth (not good, but better). I just think it's more likely that she's stuck with the cyclesIt's more cruel but it feels like something Madoka would do>>290517888This doesn't even feel like a debate. This is more just trying to figure out wtf happened because it seems like no one knows anythingWe don't even know if Homura won or not. At least if we knew she lost we could figure out what that meant but she still could've won so we don't even have a baseline like that to start figuring shit out
>>290517924Them's just the rules. It also wouldn't be a good story if Kyubey the villain effortlessly curbstomped everyone and did whatever he wanted, which is the real reason the fictional character does not "realize" his power.
>>290517132Honestly? That would be the better outcome. It also would explain why she said I'll be with you but them vanishes
>>290517132>"Homura, I'm just going to get some cigs. I'll be back soon okay?"
>>290517766It will work next time, trust.>>290517922I can see that being the case. I don't like it, and Homura moving on is something that needs another movie worth of build up, but Homura just staying on Earth with the Quintet + Nagisa while Madoka fucks off seems to be the most likely ending.It doesn't matter anyway because they will probably bring her back in the next one
>>290517025>I wonder why she was smiling in the final shotRibbon is brown now. Madoka removed her memories and just left the good "you're my friend btw" feeling. >>290516983The footsteps in the credits are clear about it too.
>>290517132That's one of the explanations I've been seeing around. It's possible and would be a good ending but I don't think much indicates itMadoka has done the whole 'I will always be with you thing' only to fuck off completely before in episode 12. So I don't trust her to actually do that while showing her leaving Homura to sleep
>>290518037>Ribbon is brownThat's just her redesign.
>>290517107>their own series also just got a shitty remake that milks the franchiseAs opposed to Madoka, which got a remake immediately and then had another remake before finally getting Rebellion.
>>290518037>>290518072I think her ribbon is still red in devil form right?
>>290518037>Madoka removed her memoriesThat still feels really cruel. Doing it the first time was bad but doing it the second seems worse almost. At least it COULD (it won't because sequels) actually help Homura move on. It leaves some questions tho.Does she at least still know everyone else? I guess it would be okay for Homura if she's still friends with them.Just another question we can't get an answer to until who fucking knows when
>>290518094I don't know I anon I consider a theatrical release with movie visuals to be more high effort than whatever shit Elite was. And even then Madoka only got remade once, not twice like S;G. Just seems like S;G is more low effort overall.
>>290518112I don't think she's in her devil form during that scene. I haven't heard anyone mention that. If she is and now has the brown ribbon than yeah, maybe there's something there
>>290518113>Doing it the first timeWasn't the issue that Madoka didn't remove Homu's memories the first time? If the theories are correct, it looks like this time Madoka removed the memories but let Homu keep the good feelings related to Madoka, even if I don't know how that really works.
>>290518112Ws she in her devil form in that bench?
>>290517132Because if that was the intention then what we got would be a very retarded way to represent it. It's not like you just happen to see that scene. There is intentionality beyond art. Either that isn't what the movie wants to say or the movie failed at saying it clearly.
>>290518139It was bad in the whole 'taking someone's memories' way (which is something Homu did to and also wasn't good)She gave Homura her ribbon and that let Homura remember, which also wasn't good since that indirectly caused Rebellion.
>>290518145Is she still the devil after the movie?
>>290517313Because that's not the ending, retard.
I just want to see her alive and happy
>>290518154The thing is we don't know how it's represented. As in what the direction of the scene looks like, etc. There's a way to direct a scene like that where it looks like Homu is just waiting for Madoka to come back.This sounds kind of like a cope but the point is there's a lot of unknowns here.
>>290513336>all future Madoka sequels will be a neverending sequence of Ultimate Dokes and Devil Homu alternatively losing their powers and then getting them back and so on
>>290518113>That still feels really cruel.Madoka removing memories of her from Homura is the best she could do. Is not cruel. The problem is that Madoka in end of TV series could stand to be forgotten by everyone but Homura. Homura was her attachment to the world.Madoka removing her all memories of Homura forever this time would solve all issues and Homura would finally allow herself to be happy.
I still think Madoka was a dick regardless of where Homura did end upShe really should've just talked to her
>>290518224Sounds kind of kino in an absurdist way, lol
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/8ed20e1a65b006e84d4f8db888f32b3b8efb0751?source=sns&dv=sp&mid=other&date=20260827&ctg=ent&bt=tw_up>Yūki: There was something I couldn't quite articulate while recording the TV series—something I only became able to put into words after growing up. It’s the realization that, even though the title bears Madoka’s name, the story is really told from Homura-chan’s perspective; she is a girl who couldn't bring herself to be the protagonist of her own life.You could say she handed the reins of her life over to someone else—to Madoka—placing Madoka in the role of the protagonist instead of herself, and that is why things turned out the way they did.Madoka wants to give that agency back to her, essentially saying, "Your story belongs to you." I believe that is what she has been trying to do all along.What means that for the ending?
>>290518199She is ALIVE and she is HAPPY on the bench
>>290518290>What means that for the ending?Makes it more confusing
>>290518290Not sure but I'm always shocked at how many new interesting ways you can view this whole series. I've never heard that one before.
>>290518224And Sayaka will ping pong between them as the audience surrogate
>>290518304>on the benchThis will end up being the Hitomi posting of the next rewatch Mark my fucking words
>>290518198But these are her feelings about her actions in the ending. Retard.
>>290518290Isn't this just a fancy way of saying that Homura needs to stop being a depressed autist and get a new hobby
>>290518290>"Homura-chan, please stop caring about me"At least she has Kyouko and Sayaka. Those two won't abandon her
>>290517961QB should have told Madoka to wish for the universe to be saved from the dispersion of energy.
>>290518409Sayaka does abandon her in Kaiten. She comes back tho
>>290518290I don't understand this take. Homura has always been the character with the most agency, while Madoka is just a plot device.
>>290518433>She comes back thoThat's fine thenWith Madoka gone I doubt Sayaka would abandon her again
>>290518426There's a lot of issues with that wish not least of which is that there's no way to deal with Madoka's witch form.
>>290518113>Doing it the first time was badShe didn't do it the first time though and that's why Rebellion happened. Homura at the end of the series remembers everything.
We will probably get one or two scenes of Madoka and Homura together in the next movie assuming what Kyubey's doing is the lead up to thatI wonder if Kyubey-chan will ever be relevant, since she sure as shit wasn't in this one
>>290518470Madoka is no Mayuri. Don't project S;G's shitty writing problems onto other things.
>>290518129>Madoka only got remade onceMadoka was effectively remade for the BD release (and you probably never saw the original).
>>290518523Steins;Gate is shit but Madoka pretty much seems to be a plot device in Kaiten less than an actual character
>>290518537>Steins;Gate is shitAgreed. We don't really know that about Madoka's role in the movie though.
>>290518290Based Yuki.
>>290518511>We will probably get one or two scenes of Madoka and Homura together in the next movie assuming what Kyubey's doing is the lead up to thatI mean, at this point Homura is the true protagonist and Madoka is the face of the franchise. Is clear they both will show in the next movie regardless of how Kaiten ended.
>>290518533They did work for the BD but that's not a reboot or a remake.
Green Kyouko will return in Madoka: Endgame
>>290518533Sorry but no, S;G has gone through way more low effort milking.
>>290518426Someone willingly signing off on QB's goals heavily nerfs the yield from the wish contract because any resulting despair is the key ingredient. QB reveals this in a monologue while Serumo has her big fight, essentially saying "Damn girl, I appreciate that you're our number one fan and all, but that means you won't truly bring despair into the world so people like you are effectively useless to us.">>290518426
>>290518575>Is clear they both will showWell yeah, of course they will. I just don't think they will have many scenes together.Madoka will probably just have a few again and Homura will continue to be this franchises actual protagonist as long as they don't explore Madoka (which they probably won't)
>>290518496And Qb should care about that why?
The real plot device in S;G is Daru
>>290518651Who's the Daru of Madoka?
>>290518666Nobody because we have better characters than a stock pervy otaku.
>>290518651Daru is literally me in reality but I am spiritually Okabe
>>290518598why are we calling her green kyouko again
>>290518645He doesn't have to care about that. But that's not the only problem with the wish either.Another one is that the power of a wish is not unlimited so you probably wouldn't be able to fully fix entropy with it anyways. A magical girl's energy powers their own wish, so it's not endlessly powerful. Madoka probably comes close but not necessarily infinite energy forever close.
And do not talk about Mayuri
>>290518727Yeah I'm sorry Max but this SG schizo is on a level that is surreal to me. You don't understand the depth to which he has fucked up Madoka threads over the last several years including the last couple days.
>>290518666Kyosuke>>290518685She gets mad when you waste food and her dad killed herselfAlso she fights Kyouko
>>290518756>herselfHimself
>>290518712QB states in one of the last loops that Madoka witching out gave them enough energy so the fact that she'll destroy the Earth now isn't a problem. Truly it's very possibly the whole entropy thing is a lie (it doesn't make much sense anyway) and they want the energy for something else but we'll never know.
>>290518685From the looks of it, her character's background is a copypaste's from Kyouko, and prett mych just that.
I wish threads were always this fastBest part of the last few days has been the relatively fast threads actually talking about Madoka
>>290518793Enough energy for his own personal quota, not for ever and ever.>it doesn't make much sense anywayIt makes complete sense.
I put off rewatching the series for years for all these movies to finish up and you’re telling me this one isn’t the ending?
>>290518793This is indirectly addressed in the movie >>290518625The act of making such a wish itself would nerf its own power, thus making it impossible to solve that way.
>>290518793You know what doesn't make sense? S;G's attractor field shit. Now that's some bullshit.
>>290518823I think it's best to see the tv show and movie series as separate continuities at this point. Actual Madoka finished with the tv show, the movies are just something fun to watch.
>>290518823NoFor now just watch The original anime and Rebellion Continue when the final movie actually comes out
>>290518852Nah Rebellion is great.
>>290518290It's a good interview. This is also relevant:>The truth is, Madoka has consistently maintained complete control over her own story, so she, too, is the protagonist, and I could clearly see her unwavering resolve—she absolutely refuses to compromise on what she believes. Up until *Tales of Rebellion*, Madoka may have seemed like a tragic heroine, but the story clearly shows that she is by no means limited to that role. In that sense, I think this is a story brimming with the sacredness hidden within her—a sacredness capable of captivating even demons.I think the only way to read the ending is that Madoka willingly returned to the LoC.
>>290517132Impression I got from futaba thread is that it's a sequel bait.
>>290518852>the movies are just something fun to watch.Technically Rebellion and Kaiten are sequels to the movie adaptation instead of the original anime.
>>290518852Rebellion is actual Madoka. It's not a S;G 0 travesty or whatever you're trying to portray it as.
>>290518876it ended with 'madoka will return' or some shit
>>290518875>I think the only way to read the ending is that Madoka willingly returned to the LoC.If Homura could be conscious while existing in the LoC with Madoka that would be a fine ending, right?
>the story clearly wants to move along from characters who've been already explored but those characters are what sells so we'll be stuck with Jobmura Chuunidevil, I am red and also in this movie, Sayaka "look I can do cool witch stuff" Miki, Tiro Finale, comedy relief loli, all according to Kyubeikaku, and Madokami (Forma de Asesinato de Personaje) for all time going in circles forever
>>290518684Max your are cooler than either of those characters don't sell yourself short.
>Rebellion Homu never got to give Madoka a naked space hugThis really is too cruel
>>290518873It's good but it ends on a cliffhanger, if you want to feel like madoka is finished and not be stuck waiting for a conclusion for hundreds of years, it's best to just see the tv show as an ending.
>>290518917Homu has more character depth than anyone in S;G though
>>290518895>Kaiten is Madoka's equivalent to Steins;Gate 0I know it isn't what you mean but you are scaring me now. It can't be that bad.The idea of Kaiten being something like that is too painful
>>290512600Eating Mami and Kyouko's donuts...
>>290518819>Enough energy for his own personal quota,Cope. Human girls are their only source of energy. >It makes complete senseWay to out yourself as an Amerimutt who never learned basic high school chemistry and thermodynamics. You probably don't even know Enthalpy exists because you have no idea what Entropy actually is either.
>>290518917Tired of this Steins;Gate nigger's shitposts man, your show wasn't that good.
>>290518875I think this> Up until *Tales of Rebellion*, Madoka may have seemed like a tragic heroine, but the story clearly shows that she is by no means limited to that role. can be read as Madoka stopping being a martyr and choosing a different outcome.
>>290512600>>290518973I appreciate that Madoka's donut has her panties onVery classy
>>290518974>Human girls are their only source of energyNo they're not. It's any species with emotions.
>>290512732Bitch Madokami needs correction
If Kimi no Gin no Niwa talked about Rebellion's themes and ending, then Kanata makes sense now. Reposting lyrics.Goodbye, goodbyeI called out to the beautiful skyThe two of us have been on a short journey togetherThe season of glittering young leaves and their fragranceSeemed like it would never endTears and pain, just as they areWe dreamed of the futureThis world—just once more, shall I try simply believing in it?I can walk through the windThe sun lights the path, I reach out my handThere is something I long forI am hereI will go with you, to the far side Tired of clinging to hope and prayersYou were smiling, on your grown-up cheeksOnly shadows falling This world—no matter how many times, shall I try simply loving it?Even if I’m hurt, even if I’m not forgivenThe sun lights the path, holding this crumbling lifeI am hereI’m calling out to you In this fleeting world where only the important things kept increasingSmile kindly for me, touch meRemember the light of spring Resound high into the heavens, singing voicePierce someone’s heartBefore vanishing into the void To the farthest shore, I reach out my handWith a quiet heartI am hereI’m calling out to the future The end of the story continues oninto the dawn of a new beginning
>>290518889Yet Rebellion actually works better as a sequel to the series because the aesthetic differences actually enhance the feeling of wrongness, which is why I disagree with the validity of fancutting movie footage onto the series.
>>290518993>I could clearly see her unwavering resolve—she absolutely refuses to compromise on what she believes.Doesn't sound like it
>>290519026This feels like the big piece of evidence for fucking off to be the LoC and leaving Homura
>>290519026This is a goodbye I'll move on song...
>>290519037If what she believes in changed from the past, It still could work.
>>290519077>she refuses to compromisewhat do you think that implies
>>290519026I'm going to take the constant mentions of calling out as Homura still remembering
>>290519103Fair.
Did Homura move on at the end if Madoka really is gone?
camrippppppI need camrip.....
>>290518645Removing a law of thermodynamics doesn't mean as much if there's no universe left due to Witch shenanigans.
>>290518929If you give Homura an inch she'll take a mile, that's why Madoka downgraded her to lap pillow instead.
>>290519026fusetter.com/tw/lI1Av8WoI'll continue to cope but this really does feel like Madoka leftI just still can't see Homura accepting it thoI hope the next person Homura loves isn't come crazy bitch who needs to become a martyr no matter what
My interpretation is that the LoC actually immediately wins the moment she comes back, the "everyone cheers Homura on" scene is already part of a pleasant hallucination she's allowing Homura to have where she manages to win, and the bench scene is pulling back to reality.
>>290519205She needs to learn to love herself first desu. Too bad that doesn't seem to happen in Kaiten as far as I know.
>>290518426Dude, without dispersion of energy this universe would stop, would be even worse.
>>290517437Megahomu with the akuma wings is the most powerful form of Homu
>>290519026>I will go with you, to the far sideDoesn't this sounds like Homura is following Madoka to the LoC?
>>290519306Yeah, the guy asking why they didn't just wish to change how a fundamental law of physics works is really not as smart as he thinks he is.
>>290519205Maybe Madoka had things to do and in next movie she will explain why she left. We don't know yet.
>>290519328Yes, since the far side = the far shore is about the afterlife in Buddhism. The LoC is heavily inspired by it.
Is sayak still a bak?
>>290519293She does but I don't think she can unless Madoka is either there for her or she's already moved past her feelings for Madoka
>>290519356So, extra points for the bench scene happening inside of the LoC?
>>290519334I feel like outright changing laws of physics would cause far reaching and potentially catastrophic consequences too. Madoka isn't a theoretical physicist so I guess her wish was her attempt to save the meguca from overt suffering/witch hell while still continuing to fix the problem of entropy by releasing energy, just a bit less than the witches did.
>>290519388But then it gets contradicted by >This world—just once more, shall I try simply believing in it?Unless Homura is only chilling in the LoC for a little bit before being forced out again it just doesn't work
Homura was right for what she did in Rebellion
Here's the full kanji, it may help analyze it better.自分用歌詞さようなら さようなら美しい空に呼びかけた2人で 短い 旅をしてきたね煌めく 若葉の 香る 季節は終わらないように見えたね涙も 痛みも あるがままで未来の夢を見たこの世界を あと一度だけ ただ信じてみようかな風の中を 歩いて行ける 太陽が道を照らす 手を伸ばす望むものがある私はここにいるよ貴方と共に行くよ 彼方へ希望や 祈りに 縋り付くことに疲れて貴方は 笑ってた 大人びた頬に影ばかり落としてこの世界を あと何度でも ただ愛してみようかな傷ついても 許されなくても太陽は道を照らす 壊れゆく いのちを抱えて私はここにいるよ貴方を呼んでいるよ大事な ものばかり増えた 儚い世界で優しく笑ってよ 私に触ってよ 春のひかりを 覚えていて天高く 響け 歌声誰かの胸を貫け虚空へと消えゆく前にいちばん遠い渚へ 手を伸ばす静かな心で私はここにいるよ未来を呼んでいるよ物語の終わりは 始まりの朝焼けに 続いて行く
>>290519418By "this world" it might not be literal but instead means Homura is trying to believe in Madoka's view of how the world should be one more time instead of rejecting it like she did in Rebellion.
So it broadly seems like Madoka leaves Homura behind But we have no idea where Homura would be? There's still good evidence that Madoka didn't actually leave, right
>>290519004Wrong.
>>290519451I doubt itAlso all the >Goodbye, goodbye>This world—no matter how many times, shall I try simply loving it?>Smile kindly for me, touch me>Remember the light of spring>Resound high into the heavens, singing voice>Pierce someone’s heart>Before vanishing into the voidReally doesn't make it seem like she is with Madoka in the LoC
>>290519466For now the evidence that Madoka doesn't leave is extremely ambiguous or just interpretation.
>>290518976S;G is kind of dog crap but I didn't realize the fans were that schizo
>Seems like she made some deal with the LoC half of her but also clearly isn't on Earth>Homura is happyWhat the fuck did she do?
>>290519510I wasn't saying where she was, I'm just saying "the world" might not literally mean planet earth. Meaning, symbolism, ambiguity, etc., those tend to pop up in songs.
>>290518598The assassination of Green Kyouko by the gremlin Nagisa
>>290519564Yeah, fair I guessI still don't think she's with the LoC but that's just me
>>290519418And that gets contradicted later by >In this fleeting world where only the important things kept increasing>Smile kindly for me, touch meWhich sounds like Madoka is in the human world with Homura instead of the afterlife/LoC.Argh. Why they made all this so confusing?
What is Madoka is now just a voice in Homura's head?
>>290518999Dokes is a classy bitch
>>290519593Sex with Green Kyouko
>>290519612>Argh. Why they made all this so confusing?So they can have room open for movie 5 based on which part of the fanbase is the most upset
>>290519612You know what magical girl show isn't confusing and has very clear lyrics to its songs?
can anyone tell me what or who the black lizard is?
So is it yuri?
>>290519612I just realized the "Smile kindly for me, touch me" is what Madoka was doing for Homura during the bench scene.
>>290519593RIP>>290519622This is how Madoka will keep Homura from being sad while she's alone on EarthHomu still has her memories and now Madoka can talk to her whenever she wants to. Win win>>290519623The classiest
>>290519649Homu
>>290519612>>290519668Fuck she really is in the LoC
>>290519688>>290519275
>>290519612>In this fleeting world where only the important things kept increasing>Smile kindly for me, touch me>Remember the light of spring>Resound high into the heavens, singing voice>Pierce someone’s heart>Before vanishing into the voidIt's not confusing, the singer's asking for one last hug or whatever before the other person vanishes into the void. Which is also what Madoka does (give Homura a lap pillow) before she leaves her.
Necrophilia ship or mind control ship? Decisions decisions.
So the final scene is on Earth before Homura returns to being the Law of Cycles?Is that what we've agreed on?
>>290519723we don't have enough information to know that.
>>290519723Anon, you ended up in the wrong timeline.
>13 years to make a movie because they had no idea what to do with Homudevil>settle on just making her job pathetically
>>290519705>Homura is smiling because it's the last piece of affection she will get from Madoka until she dies and is reunited This is so sadFuck
https://may.2chan.net/b/res/1431156369.htmthey are still confused
So how the hell does the whole “all pre-Walpurgis megucas became generic wraiths with no personality” thing fit with that montage in the original anime, where Kyubey was literally going on about how Cleopatra and Himiko turned into witches!? They lived and died way earlier than Margarita, so HOW the fuck does that even work!?Man it’s such a confusing mess with LoC fucking with the timeline and history
Greed triumphed over art. The Madoka franchise has been raped and its dignity soiled. The slop spilled into the core soul and corrupted the spirit of the work.
Homura will wake up crying when she realises that Madoka abandoned her, again
>>290519772fuck you're right..
>>290519772Either Kyubey's memory was already altered before or it's a retcon.
>>290519772Chiubbi lieded
>>290519705>It's not confusing, the singer's asking for one last hug or whatever before the other person vanishes into the voidIf that's the case why before she talked about go together with her. I tell you, it makes no sense.
>>290519772Fuck wait how does that work?
>>290519780>Greed triumphed over artBut enough about your beloved Steins;Gate series.
>>290519772Clear retcon and further proof of how messy the production was and how shit the movie is but it's a trivial one to justify away (butcher will instead give an overcomplicated nonsense answer in an interview)
>>290519780been like that for the past 13 years, friend
>homura is in the locTrash that invalidates rebellion and the entirety of kaiten until the ending, also character assassination because Homura would never be happy about madoka being a god who suffers for eternity >madoka erased Homura's memoriesRetarded, homura without her memories of madoka wouldn't be happier, she would be moemura who was weak and suicidal>homura decided to let go of madokaRetarded and character assassination, just before the end she was encouraged to go after madoka and even got a super devil form out of aiyo>madoka tricked homura into having a happy dream where she succeeded in taking human madoka back when in reality she failedThis doesn’t suck as much as the other possible interpretations and is more coherent to both characters but it's still a cruel thing to do
>>290510939We won
Madoka and Homura will one day be reunited because some Meguca 1500 years from now will decides to become the next Margret/Madoka, and this time the wish will be something like "I wish every Meguca or person who was once a Meguca is immediately transported to heaven where they don't have to suffer, but are alive, and immortal and can see each other again, and they can be conscious and happy" or some shit
>>290519855As long as it was just the side stuff it was okay. The core series was pure. Not any more. Literally worse than the rebuilds. No vision and no heart, just a slop mill for pigs.
>>290519780Unlike S;G which was shit from the start.
what was the in universe reason that madoka is so powerful again
>>290519901Have you watched the movie
>>290519858>This doesn’t suck as much as the other possible interpretations and is more coherent to both characters but it's still a cruel thing to doIt feels like the most cruel option from Madoka's end. To the point where it would be better for Homura if she just let her go and live a normal lifeFuck, there really is no satisfying explanation that actually seems likely, is there?
>>290519901Steins;Gate is trash for pigs moron.
>>290519914Please shut up about how you ride your dildos without cleaning your ass first.
>>290519780>>290519786>>290519858yep, the current ending just retarded. The whole point of PMMM is Homura saving Madoka.
>>290519918Homu's multiple failed time loops gave Madok the karmic potential to be the most powerful magical girl and witch of all time. So it's once again all Homu's fault
>>290519901>S;G fag concern trollingYou don't even like the series and don't pretend you ever did. s;g was boring dogshit btw
>>290519918Homura wound time around her over and over which made her more and more important (please ignore the time Uro said it's a new different Madoka in a new different timeline each time and the ones Homura leave continue to exist and she just kills the new timeline's Homura and replaces her, they needed to justify the gacha somehow).
>>290519945The whole point of PMMM is Homura failing to save Madoka no matter how hard she tries. Even in the TV series Madoka is the one who saves everyone at the end, not Homura, who was ultimately more of a middleman so the true hero could do the job.
>>290519920I don't plan to give Shaft money for this abomination.
>>290519901How is the Steins;Gate reboot going again? Oh wait you said something about a slop mill?
>>290520000So you haven't.
I hope Homura find all of this worthy
>>290520011The hypocrisy from that fanbase is truly outstanding. to the point where it's kind of funny.
>>290519986so we’re back to square one then, since the Kaiten ending is kind of the same as the TV ending?
>>290520036seems like it.
S;G 0 invalidates the concept of good writing.
>>290520036It might beHomura might in the Loc or she might be dreaming that she won.It's also possible that Madoka is only going to be the LoC part timeWe really don't know even at this point
https://mantan-web.jp/article/20260824dog00m200069000a.html>It wasn't until I received the script that I learned the full scope of the story. When I opened it, I was amazed—Whoa!—but at the same time, I was completely baffled, thinking, "I have no idea what's going on here" (laughs). There were parts of the action scene descriptions I couldn't quite grasp, but I felt that was all part of what makes *Madoka Magica* what it is. I don't think *Madoka Magica* is the kind of work that offers a single, definitive answer. It’s fine for everyone to find their own answer and interpret it however they like. I get the feeling that fans, too, are starting to realize there isn't just one clear-cut answer and that it’s okay to interpret it in their own way. My own impression after watching this movie was simply "This is the ultimate *Madoka Magica* experience!"Is she trying to tell us that the whole point of the ending is>Just think the ending is whatever you want it to be. It's fine
>>290520054Like yeah, it seems to be similar to the TV ending but it's different enough that we have no idea how close it isAnd get this, we know it's not the ending since there is a fucking post-credit scene too of Kyubey fucking around in the Birthplace of Witches
>>290520023You have?
>>290520051And Anonymous;Code invalidates Steins;Gate as it was all a simulation slop which is a greater travesty than anything S;G fag is able to dream up about what this movie may or may not do.
>>290519772Pretty sure in Rebellion they said that megucas just dissapear if they run out of juice.
>>290520078>Just think the ending is whatever you want it to be. It's fineMaybe but again it really seems like it won't be the endIf that is what we are meant to do than I'm just going to think Homura won completely and Madoka returned to being human, regardless of how unlikely that seems as of now
>>290520086Nothing of value was lost I guess.
>>290520051Your loose asshole invalidates your ability to not shit yourself.
Why is S;G schizo spamming about cocks and shit now
>>290520086Did you buy that rope already?
>>290520036yes this is also japanese sentiment>The problem is that 13 years have passed and the main story has barely moved forward.>I couldn't care less about stories involving new characters.>Even Nagisa in *Rebellion* didn't hog the spotlight like that—so why did things turn out this way this time?>It hasn't just stalled; it’s gone full circle and reverted to the state it was in before *Rebellion*.>Homu-homu's 13 years have all gone to waste...
Kaiten might suck but at least it's better than Steins;Gate
>>290520181For sure and always.
>>290520036Some people on that discord that was mentioned a few threads agoseem to think it ended with Homura being able to hear Madoka while she is also now the law of cycles since the last line she says apparently happens after she's already faded away
Steins;Gay fans will try to say Kaiten was good to make Madoka fans look retarded.
>>290520216Literally the opposite, Steins;Troons are constantly doomposting to try and make their mediocre series look better.
Homura is for skull cracking and brain creampies.
>>290520210So, The same ending from the anime but now Homura doesn't need to be in the border of witching in order to hear Madoka's voice?
>>290520210>her crush is now actually just a voice in her headthat's somehow very pathetic
>>290520255Calm down, Wasu
>>290520238Nice falseflag, Steinscuck.
I remember when S;G fags started a fanbase war with HxH, another better anime than theirs.
>>290520265Wasu fucks Madoka actually
>>290520260Petty muchIt sounds like cope to me but I could see it being true. At the least it's the nicest one of these 'Homura and Madoka are separated again' endings for the both of them>>290520264She'll be fine with it, probably
Sex with Sayaka's abandoned corpse after she turned into a witch.
So what's the message of Kaiten?
>>290520099But it’s not explicitly stated but Walpurgis clearly remembers the pre-LoC timeline, and Marigartia’s backstory flashback also seems to take place pre-LoC. Otherwise her nun friends should have simply disappeared like you said and she wouldn't become walpurgis to begin with. I guess it's a minor retcon or Kyubey want to convince Madoka that badly and lied.
>>290520299give up on your goals and give SHAFT more money
>>290520299Better to love than be loved
How did Bingo-Kun make out?
>>290520299Mentally ill evil lolis need correction.
>>290520273Truly the worst fanbase on the board.
>>290520280It would make Madoka saying "I will be with you" to Homura even when she just vanished make sense at least.
>>290520273HxH threads seem pretty alive again, more than S;G threads at least. Looks like HxH won.
>>290520339I'm still hereWe can do the board when we have a ripWe still need to figure out wtf the ending was, too
>>290520299Don't expect people to be loyal to you after you betrayed them
>>290520320Walpurgis was already saved in the series anyway and all the girls that made her up too. Her being a collection of different girls was always evident in the series and I guess they wanted to finally explain it and pissed all over the lore along the way. The more you think about Kaiten the less sense it makes.
>>290520338Yeah. That seems to be the message of Homura's storyLove is a wonderful thing, even if it's given to the wrong person>>290520352True
>>290520403>The more you think about it the less sense it makesThis describes Steins;Gate's shitty lore pretty well
>>290520403Your shitty franchise is a literal simulation now.
Take a shot everytime S;G is mentioned.
OG Loc
This feels all so disappointingAt least Homura is smiling at the end
S;G fans sure do shitpost a lot
>>290510939No wonder this is such a masterpiece. This is what happens when you brace the beautiful gacha as part of your universe and story.
I heard HomuSaya won, is that true?
>>290520567It's actually crazy how we can't have nice things any more because of them
>>290520567YeahAt least we can still shit on Steins;Gate
>>290520615All I can do is shit on them back. They deserve nothing less.
>>290520521This guy is genuinely mindbroken by Steins;Gate.
As far as I'm concerned, as of right now, is that I don't care for KaitenIt's better than Steins;Gate but that really isn't a high bar
>>290520675I don't get why the S;G fag is in this thread all the fucking time. Why doesn't he just make a S;G thread? Guy is completely mindbroken by his series getting run into the ground so much.
>>290514855Madoka being a cunt
Shit;Gate
Chances that they don't follow up on this?
>>290520725There's no Steins;Gate fag. You fell for Rintab's lies.
>>290512838Another sequelbait cashgrab
>>290520299Inu curry was a mistake
>>290520757He must've also lied about S;G being good lol
>>290520757Both might as well be the same guy
>having a melty over steins gate out of nowhere
>>290520839How is it out of nowhere when you Steins;Gate losers have been spamming shitposts all fucking day?
Kind of pisses me off that Steins;Gate fanboys made like 25% of the posts in this thread. And then they wonder why people don't like them when it should be obvious.
I wonder how we will feel when we've all seen it
>>290521013Hopefully decent
>>290521029I don't want to dislike itI hope I don't
So someone told me that there was a world before Madoka that had monsters instead of witches and Mag made a wish that would turn into the witch system and she became Walpurisnacht. Is that all true?
>>290520607>>290511193>HeardYou really can't make your autistic shitposts any more obvious.
>>290510939Magia Record (game) remains the true best timeline where magical girls get to live full lives under the auto-purification system instead of being murdered by madoka in their youth because they got too sad one timeThank you Iroha-sama
Apparently Urobuchis earlier drafts actually featured even LESS of Madoka and she had even less agency. >>290516957He was the one who encouraged and worked with Urobuchi to actually include Madoka more.. and probably a big part of why Sayaka gets so much glaze.
first five minutes leaked https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1vd4663EMH/
>>290521138OH SHIT
>>290521138How did that happen?
>>290521138>ITS REALHoly shitDownloaded it incase it gets scrubbed
>>290520521Alcohol poisoning kek
>>290521138Quick mirror. https://gofile.io/d/IyvUm63Z
>>290521254Based fast anon.
>>290521138>Homudevil stalking and harassing some random girl to get a contractShe's learnt a lot from Kyubey
Yknow I feel a lot less mad at the ending after watching the first 5 minutes
>>290521138>leaked>clearly just a promo vid because of the date at the endStill never saw it before and goddamn now im even more hyped...
>>290521367it's probably from the rebellion rescreening they did earlier this monthThe first 5 minutes were included
>>290521320I hope after we actually got to see the end we all can say the same.
I like this shot
>>290521397Hopefully >>290521388>Title is in Chinese >Translates to 'Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Return of Witch's Night - Special First 5 Minutes Revealed'Interesting
She's cute
>>290519772I didn't watch the movie, but didn't the Walpy girl just rewrite reality to make it so that magical girls throughout time became witches instead of wraiths in the same way that Madoka's wish rewrote reality so that they get taken away instead of becoming witches? And Kyubey is just unaware of that universe existing before the witch one we saw in the anime.
New thread?
>>290521721I believe it was "monsters" in the old world but yes.
>>290521776Alright. Then it that case at least it wouldn't be a retcon. Just a Madoka episode 12 situation happening prior to Episode 1 and everything with Cleopatra and stuff is still true in the new reality.
https://fusetter.com/tw/lILCYEu1>Cute how she has zero composure! Her reason for snapping during the cake buffet scene felt like a hardcore fan getting mad over a difference in interpretation, which was great.I see. So Choka is the average movie's watcher.
>>290522039She is litterally me
>>290522039I want to bully and tease her so fucking much
>>290522039The cutest
>>290520284Dafuq
I was right11 hours
>>290522138>>290522039>>290521518reminder she has more personality than the 3 new clowns
>>290522728What
>>290522799Thread lasted that long
COPIUM
>>290522888>The ending was made ignoring the actual end of the movieThey did the same thing they did back then with Kimi no Gin no Niwa
>>290521518too bad she's probably that girl that wasn't important and she just is for a few minutes in movie, but I hope we get many fanarts of her
>>290522888at the very end the footprints are completely separated though?Madoka's went left offscreen while Homu keeps walking forward
>>290523063She will return in the next one
>>290523318I hope so
Fun thread
>>290521254I really like the creepy atmosphere. I hope the whole movie is like this. Horror anime is a nonexistent genre
>12 hours/a/ being dead's fault
>>290523375Same. It would be so good.
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