I'm on the first episode, and I'm not sure why she needs to start a special division when she already has operational clearance to assassinate foreign diplomats and can make government officials punch themselves in the face without any repercussions. Why go through the extra paper work when she already has carte blanche to do whatever she wants?
>>290579683Because with a proper team and resources she can accomplish much much more then anything she could do by herself.
>>290579756But she already had a team.
>>290579683>I'm on the first episode, and I'm not sure why she needs to start a special division when she already has operational clearance to assassinate foreign diplomatsShe doesn't have the clearance, just the ability. She's essentially just a freelance mercenary with a history of working for the government in that first scene, she has no official capacity or clearance just black ops wetwork. Becoming an official team doesn't just give her more resources and government backing, it means that she no longer has to plan every job around the possibility that it will end with her employer trying to kill her to tie up a loose thread. She's useful enough that people put up with her shit, but thats not long term protection.
>>290579683Rewatch the episode. Your questions were explicitly answered in it but you have to actually pay attention and understand what's being said.
>>290580403>Your questions were explicitly answered Were they?She kills the guy, shows up the next day with proof that she was authorized to kill the guy by the Prime Minister and then she wants to start a new division that has to go through more red tape than she normally deals with for some reason.
>>290579683she doesn't have the financement
>>290580528How does she afford all her state of the art, hi-tech equipment?
censored trash.
>>290579683She's freelance, which means she only has authorization when she gets a mission and the income is inconsistent. With a proper special division, it means that she's guaranteed funding and she's clear to do whatever on every mission, as opposed to being required to beg for clearance to do so on a per-job basis.She also gets more say over what she does and how. Freelance, she just has to accept terms. Special division, she can mostly dictate how the mission progresses as long as it's within the job specifications.
>>290579683"Woah, I guess they just didn't think of that..." lol kek no. Is that what you were hoping we were all gonna say brainlet?
>>290581248>Don't you dare question my midwit show!
>>290581499
>>290579824>essentially just a freelance mercenary>called the Majorhmmmm
>>290580687I like both
>>290580687Satsuki's pov vs Ryuuko's pov
>>290580687I want the one on top to do the cutesy pose on the bottom.
>>290579683>>290579780>>290580495The best analogy I could think of is the assassination in the first episode is like getting a day pass for a gym. Establishing her division is like a lifetime membership. The assassination wasn't carte blanche, it was a provisional assignment. Gaining actual carte blanche or the closest thing to it is exactly why she wanted her own division. It makes things less complicated, not more.
>>290582181>the cutesy pose on the bottomWhich one?
>>290580495Which Prime Minister? Think hard, now.
>>290582181It's not as out-of-character as one might think
>>290580640You mean like the faulty audio implant? clearly she doesn't have AS MUCH funding as she'd likeBy the way the manga suggests she immediately upgraded her body upon forming S9: the sublte panel lines on he forehead are gone
SEXUAL opeko
>>290579683Going from a disposable contractor to a safe and well cared for official employee is the ideal cyberpunk assassin career path.
What's with the smug expression?
>>290579683What is Section 9 exactly? Are they just domestic intelligence operatives? Anti-terrorism task force? They wear gear with POLICE on it, but aren't part of the police force.
>>290584213Big wiener
>>290584415Officially: Hostage rescue team, which leads them to cooperate with the actual cops, hence the occasional police uniforms.for real: the Prime Minister's ninja death squadactually for real for real: Aramaki's very own Wild Seven knockoff.
>>290584415Anti-terrorism task force, with investigative mandate. But the kind of terrorism they deal with is cyberterrorism.
>>290584670that'd be in SAC specifically
Sex with Ope-ko
QUESTION:Is this guy from 1.5 supposed to be Motoko's ex-boyfriend? He sure looks like him.I'm asking because his name is Kim.You know. Like the guy from Innocence. If I'm right and if that's where Oshii got the name from, it has pretty fucking weird implications in Innocence.
>>290584125there might be something to ittheir greatest fear at the beginning was that Aramaki would deceive them somehow and use them as scapegoats for his own gainit also explains why Aramaki was so pissed when Section 1 did sell them out, because Aramaki also understands this is a touchy spot for the team and didn't want to fail that trust, even if the deed was perpetrated by another part of the government
>>290585127No this guy works for the army, different guy.There are still weird implications going on with Innocence Kim but nothing to do with Motoko's ex-bf.
>>290585293I can't remember how the episode covered it (I think it ended up being mostly the same) but my interpretation was that, aside from that, they wanted a position that left the Major in charge. They had to work with Aramaki, who was otherwise stuck in Public Security, for their initial try, but he actually was manipulating everyone and got a much better deal in the end (left somewhat vague but presumably he was able to get it by showing off how poorly their initial work with Public Security went) that left him in charge but led to the less supervised, well funded kill team that the Major and the others wanted anyway. It was an offer they simply couldn't refuse, even though it still left him in charge when they'd hoped for being totally under their own command. That's how I interpreted the closing scene at the bar where he reveals he pulled this off, with Ishikawa saying they fell for it, because Aramaki had been scheming this the entire time, when they'd just been trying to bull headedly secure their own position. The whole set up is to establish the kind of cynical, blase political corruption of the setting, even for our otherwise "heroic" main characters. But Aramaki and Section 9 are at least principled, which is why they can ally and work to achieve a mutual goal that they at least believe is for the public good.
>>290582682The "former", "late" Prime Minister, specifically.
>>290585813>Aramaki, who was otherwise stuck in Public Security, for their initial try, but he actually was manipulating everyone and got a much better deal in the endI still don't understand how Aramaki's plan workedone moment he's saying the team is beyond fucked, the next he reveals they somehow scored way more than the initial offeringand why is the toadface guy still supporting them after Motoko self-punched him?
>>290585925It all makes sense if you remember that they work for the PM now, and that all branches of the Jap government are at each other's throatThey WERE fucked because they attacked a facility that belongs to Internal AffairsBUT the PM saw that they were willing to do that, and therefore approved their request, because he needs people like them to keep the other ministries in check (so as to not get fucking killed too)THEREFORE frogface (minister of internal affairs) is forced to suck it upFor now...
>>290585925>>290586056also that particular workhouse happened to be skimming off the top and going into business for themselves, so they were an acceptable loss for Frogface.
>>290585813>Major moans>Batou gets the creepsis Batou gay?
>>290586104No, but the universe seems to be conspiring to make him gay.
>>290586056It's easy to see it as>Aramaki proved he could coordinate a big operation but>also proved Public Security was holding the team back and>proved the Section 9 team was capable of effective work against even internal targets and thus>The PM should move the team out from under the Ministry of Internal Affairs and be an off the books team to do the wetwork needed by the governmentAll run by Aramaki himself, of course, who'd shown the will and political savvyness to get this whole thing sorted to begin with. The Major and the other proved they were a top notch team, but Aramaki proved he's the one who should be in command because he was actually capable of navigating the political landscape and all the Major could do was use a brainwashing machine to make a Minister punch himself. That kind of skill is valuable, but only when directed by a bureaucrat like Aramaki. Thus, they're both brought under the PM's direct control, and the team under Aramaki's, with no other crosscutting hierarchies.Rereading this page also makes things more clear: Section 9 as we know it had basically already been secretly approved. But Aramaki pretended they were still stuck with the SDF to test the Major and, presumably, also prove himself to the PM. The whole thing was a smokescreen from the beginning and they fell for it because it was all they expected to get to begin with.
>>290586104Batou's simpiness is something inflicted by the adaptations. The manga has him show zero interest in her. Which is pretty rational, all things considered. It's professionally dicey and the manga Major is way less "lovable" than most versions as a person.
>>290586203In other words: big gay
>>290586203It's not "zero" interest, but it's never serious, if anything he seems to think it'd be funny if Motoko and him were in love. The closest he gets to simphood is "That's it? Nothin' else for poor old Batou?" which doesn't even necessarily mean he was expecting anything more than a big hug or something. Either way he's dealing with her departure pretty well in 1.5.Outright simphood is something Oshii transposed from Red Spectacles, Stray Dog and the Kerberos Panzer Cops manga, where the protagonists are grade A turbo-simps. Like, to an inhuman level. Oshii's dog gimmick isn't just for fun it's an actual point of characterization.And as usual, he used those superficial elements of Batou's character as a justification for writing a similar character again.
>>290579683She isn't asking for clearance, she is asking for funds. Public money.
>>290586344any money will do
>>290584415Domestic counter-terrorist and intelligence agency (thought I think only the counter terrorist part is official) while section 6 is their foreign counterpart.They are one of the top 3 dogs along with section 4 of rangers in GitS's Japan.
>>290586186>Rereading this page also makes things more clear: Section 9 as we know it had basically already been secretly approved. But Aramaki pretended they were still stuck with the SDF to test the Major and, presumably, also prove himself to the PM.how could he have lied to them when it is a matter of public record? they had a fuchikoma verify it and everythingthat's another thing I don't getalso the anime changed the line about budget from "lie" to it having been a "dummy/placeholder", which makes even less sense
>>290579683it is garbage, the only reason this shit show and maga i beloved is the setting and the sexy babes.the rest is pseudo politic bullshit the complete dialogues about politics are written by idiots who like to act or feel like adults
>>290534392>Based on my interpretation of the manga footnote, after initially seeing the network as light, Motoko's final attempt at processing a vast and unfamiliar system is to perceive it in the shape of a person (the angel).By the way, that's a valid interpretation of the footnote, but it is arguable.Shirow is talking about how religions characterize the behavior of greater systems, and about what the Puppetmaster's own experience entails in that note. It's not clear if he also meant to describe how Motoko herself perceives the Net in that moment.The angelic figure could just as easily be the Puppetmaster's own mental projection, because the liner note specifies that it's discovering its own "self" in that scene for the first time, aka the spiritual part of itself, aka its own ghost, through contact with the Net.You could also argue it's her precognitive vision of her post-fusion self.Plus, nothing suggests that Motoko has a religious background that would prime her to see a christian angel, with wings and a robe.So there's three or four reasonable interpretations of that vision in the manga, and none of them can be transposed seamlessly onto the movie, because it never specifies if the Net is a truly spiritual thing, all we have to work with is the Puppetmaster's own vague description before it happens.Another thing that complicates your interpretation is that, while Motoko's vision in the film does involve being bathed in light, the angel itself is a pitch-black silhouette, which suggests it could be a distinct entity.
>>290587100The dummy/placeholder thing sounds like a clarification of what Aramaki meant by "that was a lie."The budget was voted by the diet, but if the mission failed, the PM would have no reason to approve and triple it. After all, some of that funding would most likely be recouped from the sale of the brainwashing modules, otherwise they wouldn't have mentioned collecting that stuff.at least that's how I understand it
>>290586344didn't she also criticize capitalism in the manga? she is a commie
>>290588592she criticizes capitalism and also people who rely on handouts, so communism tooShe's an enlightened centrist.Literally, she's reached enlightenment at the center of the universe.
Do Motoko have puss puss
>>290590513No, anal only, Kurutan obliterated her vaginal opening entirely.
>>290581962She's a war vet, but the intro assassination job wasn't an official military mission.
>>290590680it was an official assassination, whatever the fuck that meansIRL I don't think Kennedy could just write a letter saying "I authorize you to blow this mfucker's brains out" with everyone being automatically okay with it
>>290590997A secret order by the PM that no one else knew about isn't an official mission.
>>290591092This. Legally, the guy was about to get away with state secrets. Someone who was actually a government agent getting caught assassinating him would have been an international incident because it violates diplomatic immunity. The only recourse was extra-legal, a deniable asset with top-gen stealth tech to ensure a clean getaway. If she had already been working for the government, they couldn't have used her for that job.
>>290591092I assumed it was because everyone was immediately "oh okay, we won't arrest you for super-murder then"
>>290591134>extra-legal, a deniable assethow can you call it a deniable asset when she has the president's signature on a contract?that's the polar opposite of plausible deniability
>>290591134Was it necessary to pick an agent with thick fluffy hair?It's a liability, it makes her weak to headpats.
>>290591164They went with that, but if the PM instead said, "All her claims and proof of contract are fake, terminate her and her team", they'd have done it without a care.
>>290584106Beautiful fucktoy.
>>290591341proof? the manga portrays it as something reliableMotoko just waltzed in without apparent fear of being arrested on the spot
>>290591341Really, I think the only reason that things worked out for the Major was that Aramaki was already requesting a team to form Section 9 with. The PM had a competent team of mercenaries drop into his lap, with a built-in termination excuse if they got out of line because he could always still get them for the assassination at a later date, and decided to just put two and two together to give Aramaki what he wanted, himself a powerful tool for getting rid of problems, and a team that he could pressure to do stuff off the books if he needed to against his political rivals.If they had botched the assassination, they wouldn't have been worth keeping around. But they did good work so he gave them a job.
>>290591444she doesn't afraid of anything!
>>290580687Virgin Oshii fan:>Is it fun? Fun? FUN? In my cyberpunk anime? BLASPHEMY! HOW DARE YOU! ARRGRBRBL!Chad GITS enjoyer:>a new GITS show featuring some sexy and wacky stuff from the manga? Cool!
>>290591816Advanced Oshii fan:>slurping soba noodles is basically like snorting up your own snot!real ones will know
>>290583907smolo motoko sexosmolo batou can watch
I WANT CYBORG TITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>290592651>Batou can watchAs ordained by the Master, mister Oshii
>>290592653like...in your body?
>>290594981No, to hang up on his wall like a trophy.
>>290587100Anon they're a government kill squad answering only to the Prime Minister. Of course their budget isn't going to be a matter of public record. They were passed through the diet as an "International Anti-Terrorist Unit" or a "International Hostage Rescue Unit" but that's just what it says on paper. But in practice it will be a highly funded, off the record wetworks team that's essentially above the law.
>>290595117I'd hang up 2501 on my wall. She could give me stonks advice in exchange for headpats.I might even let her play TBS games if she behaves
>>290596303Better do as they say, don't wanna end up getting scrapped like a faulty piece of hardware, amirite?
This Makoto is fine too
>>290596795She's BALD!She's NORWOODED!It's rough out there for the follically-challenged!
>>290596795Should have been flatter.
>>290579683it's impressive how stupid some people are or pretend to be
>>290596935I mean, it's not super intuitive if you aren't a tom clancy spy thriller black ops cawadoody kind of guy
>>290579683Just turn your brain off buddy, is a series where nothing matters anyways.
>>290584415domestic anti-terrorism as well as anti-corruption. cooperate with police on occasion, but their skills are military grade.for how invincible they seem, i actually liked how SAC's first season showed that when the real military shows up, they get owned immediately. aramaki was specifically warned about it by a former prime minister in a brief elevator chat.
>>290591206Nta, but this "contract" will never be known by anyone that matter and the money is obtained off-the-book.Governments spend money to obtain money that isn't recognized as theirs, even if there are losses or it is considered a crime by another country.On the matter, cryptoscam is a godsend for secret mission:Take control of some retard's account who has no one to blame but himself, track the money or transaction order as you wish, it will lead to something that literally anyone could have accessed from any computer.>>290591341>>290591444It works on mutual blackmail.To arrest her LEGALLY they would have to give the reason, which was completely off the book illegal.To arrest her ILLEGALLY they would have to hire another team of mercenary willing to take the job.If they don't pay her, there's the risk she reveals who ordered that assassination since it necessarily come with proof of the power they hold.
imagine coming home from work and her just whipping a beer bottle at your head like a quarterback while screaming at you because you did something in a dream she had last night
>>290597664Motoko's hair...Erotic
>>290595833>not using 2501 as a styling head
>>290597708
>>290597767
>>290597679I'm sorry, pal, looks like your part-time waitress girlfriend who's also in a new wave synthpop band called Rosa Replica & the Corporate Assets who are totally gonna make it big if only they get featured on John Peel and then you'll both move out of this shithole appartment to a high-rise in the middle of Newport City, and who loves you very much deep down which is why she gets jealous whenever you smile at robots even though she knows they're so lifelike it's hard to tell them apart from real people and that's actually the whole gimmick behind her band and why she got a plastic finish for her synth skin on purpose, which is weird at first but totally kinky and makes the sex fucking incredible holy shit why don't more girls do this, they literally have no reason not to...>was a simex all along.>Wish I could help you with that.
>>290584449
>>290597829Do not POF the major. There are much better ways to calm her down.
>>290597727If I did have to capture a top level cyborg with disabled controls, I'd likely turn (her) into a stylish mannequin.
>>290597920She craves it.
>>290597918Damn...
>>290597989Oh yeah, she cleans up good, actually. Not a bad idea.Look at her go. She gets to do what she loves for a living: YAPPING for hours.
>>290598059it is what it ishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br4eviUFhSQ
>>290597918the make up sex isn't something you could simulateshe would ride you like a rattlesnake succubus wringing your balls dry after she gave you a concussion with a half empty bottle of cheap vodka
>>290598135That's fine, not the most dangerous sex you can get out there from that type of girl
for those who may not have answered it yethttps://strawpoll.com/NoZrzm61BZ3https://strawpoll.com/NoZrzm61BZ3https://strawpoll.com/NoZrzm61BZ3
>>290598409where's Kagasaki?
>>290598548in the best boy poll I'll do tomorrow if I don't forget
>>290597311>for how invincible they seem, i actually liked how SAC's first season showed that when the real military shows up, they get owned immediately.Same. I liked that the big reason they were so screwed wasn't just numbers and firepower but because the enemy commander never underestimated them. He didn't buy it when they faked their deaths, he wasn't bolstered by them lacking their Think Tanks and he tried to fight it when the brass thought he didn't need Armor, every step of the way he was the epitome of no bullshit.I feel kinda bad, most of the losses he took was because he was trying to take Shell Squad alive and the reason Section 9 survived is because he took them prisoner instead of killing them.
>>290598585his primary chassis is female so he belongs in the waifu list
>>290598409why does everyone want the operators anyway? you don't know if they even have a hole down there
>>290598627Sorry anon. You might be gay.Batou will walk you through the process of getting your closet homo card. You can get discounts at cocktail bars, it's not a bad deal. Once you get used to it>>290598660A lot of people want 2501 too and she definitely doesn't have a hole for most of her existence.
>>290598660What's actually astounding is how few people want Krolden's dolls.What's wrong with them? Is it just because their current owner is a jewish guy who might have filled them up with his splooge and might not have cleaned them up too good?You'd do the same in his position. You're literally him.
>>290597918I come from a board called /a/ where everyone's girlfriends are not real. Much like these "simex"s you speak of...
a recommendation for every enjoyer of the punk waitress:
>>290598862They have no lines, no deeds, no personality, no story relevance, and the SAC designs were hotter.
>>290599158Even as a day-1 SAC detractor, I have to admit that this is true.BUT THEY'RE STILL HOTTER THAN TOGUSA'S FUCKING WIFE.
>>290599199Togusa is hotter than Togusa's fucking wife.
Another recommendation for appreciators of the punk waitress:>>290599238My point exactly.
>>290598135Sounds like every Ashley I've dated.
>>290599199False.
>>290599199She's cute in that Mirai Yashima kinda way.
>>290599500Why do they have a moai statue in the kitchen
>>290599473Yeah but did they LOOK like that?
>>290599786for feng shuei
>>290599500You don't?
>>290595434you're missing the pointAramaki said the budget passed, and Motoko verified itthis means she at least trusted this verificationif you're saying that it was merely a generic label that could have meant anything, then you're calling Motoko stupid for being satisfied with thatand I don't believe she is stupid about this kind of matters
>>290600919She's eager to get into the fray. In the manga she doesn't wait for the fuchikoma to get full confirmation.Why would Shirow have had the Fuchikoma go "awaiting confirmation-" only for Motoko to rally her troops, if not to show that she's impatient and hotheaded?It's not like she suddenly stops being a hothead either, her default response when she doesn't have a plan is to rush in and pull out her guns. Even Oshii got that right about her.
>>290600059I don't like being watched.
>>290600059Of all the things I expected today...
>>290601095: ^ l
>>290590997>IRL I don't think Kennedy could just write a letter saying "I authorize you to blow this mfucker's brains out"THE INSIDE-EST OF INSIDE JOBS
>>290601010>She's eager to get into the fray. In the manga she doesn't wait for the fuchikoma to get full confirmation. okay, but Aramaki wouldn't have depended on her making such a basic mistake, he's definitely smarter than thatand the check takes like 30 seconds, so I assumed the fuchikoma completed the recheck shortly after and that it still passed scrutiny
>>290601429He's smart enough to know she's a brat.This reaction pic is literally Aramaki's mental image of Motoko.If anything, it's too lenient.
>>290579683What episode are you on now Op?
>>290586186Nah, that deal was made off page by Aramaki.Motoko's squad was genuinely under a different management at first.
>>290588592Shirow is fascist sympathetic, in a vague way.He opposes consumerism, reliance on welfare, corporate greed, and rebellion.
>>290601972(I'm assuming that by "at first" you mean "in the introductory chapter" as opposed to super spartan)Then how the fuck did Togusa, a cop, get in there if not to act as Aramaki's inside man who would eventually legitimize the shell squad as law enforcement?All the gobbledigook about systemic flexibility was introduced by Oshii as a way to insinuate that Motoko's belief system could be exploited by the Puppetmaster's rhetorics. It's not in the source material.The only logical explanation for why this guy would be tolerated by the rest of the shell squad is that Aramaki wants him there.
Say goodbye to the major tomorrow /a/
>>290602007I can see how you would think that (his works broadly seem to endorse futurism, actualism, vigilantim etc) but he doesn't reject individualism, and that's a huge point of divergence with fascism.Another huge point of divergence is that he doesn't seem to believe in one-size-fits-all solutions.
>>290602065>Then how the fuck did Togusa, a cop, get in there if not to act as Aramaki's inside manFanfiction.
>>290602127The emotoko arc begins.Sickos (movie fans who don't know Oshii's wider body of work) will rejoice.
>>290602065Togusa was a cop, but we don't know how long before that he joined the team.Motoko and him already have a raport when Super Spartan starts, and Aramaki is the stranger.Togusa isn't that much of an outsider in the manga, he's just the "fucking new guy" that bickers with Batou and is bullied by Motoko.
>>290602161I'm asking you a question, nigga, give me a better explanation than the one I proposed, or accept mine.
>>290602233Unlike Aramaki who seems to have known Motoko for years, to the point where Motoko acts like his bratty preteen daugther when she normally maintains a hard exterior with other high-ranking people (even when she gets rude).Togusa seems more like an outsider than Aramaki. Like WAY more. I don't know where you're getting the idea that Togusa has more of a raport with the shell squad than Aramaki does in Super Spartan.
>>290602308Togusa is Togusa while Aramaki is talked about distantly as "Ape Face".Motoko plans to write up a good report for the team and expects Togusa to be there.Togusa is worried about disappointing Motoko and being kicked down a rank or two for fucking up Aramaki is the stranger there that they don't know very well.It isn't until a few chapters later that Motoko acts like a goofball around him.
>>290602256>give me a better explanation than the one I proposed, or accept mine.Them not telling you why Motoko brought him on board in the manga doesn't mean we have to accept your fan theory. I have my own theory too but I wouldn't mistake it for canon or ask anyone to accept it. For all we know Shirow was planning to write that story but scrapped it.
>>290602396>It isn't until a few chapters later that Motoko acts like a goofball around him.I rest my case.
>>290602543>Motoko brought him on boardThis is also a fan theory, we don't know if SHE brought him on board.My fan theory makes more sense than yours because Aramaki has a reason to want him on board (he needs to legitimize the raid), and they have a reason to put up with it (Aramaki's their contractor and they know him).Yours is based on ..... ...?????
>>290602396If you were talking about "episodes" I might understand, because the show doesn't have her interact with Aramaki directely in the first episode.But you're talking about "chapters" and it's undisputable that, in the manga, Motoko is at her rudest and goofiest with Aramaki in Super Spartan.
>>290602558>>290602675At the beginning of Super Spartan Motoko is suspicious of Aramaki until she has proof that she's getting paid.During the chapter she's combative, not cooperative. She insults or tests him because he's a stranger that was made her boss without her familiarity. That is different from being a goofball. It is more like being a delinquent to test whether the substitute teacher has any balls.At the end she's drunk and believes her professional life is over and that is why she's so candid and openly melancholic.Aramaki impresses her at the end with his ability to somehow actually improve the now Section 9's clearance and autonomy.It isn't until later chapters that their relationship becomes friendly.Whereas Togusa and Motoko already know one another and are familiar.
>>290602615>This is also a fan theory, we don't know if SHE brought him on board.Because they are independent at the beginning, they want to be brought into the fold. Aramaki wants control of her squad for his Section 9 but that is after Togusa is already a member. Trying to shove Aramaki into the recruitment process before he is their commanding officer is dumb.
>>290602909Before anything else, I'll remind you that it's a lot more unusual to be familiar with superiors than with subordinates, therefore Motoko being rude with Togusa holds no special meaning. She could have known him for 2 weeks.I do agree that she's being antagonistic with Aramaki, but>That is different from being a goofballis wrong in this casethis>>290602558Is literally the face she pulls at Aramaki. Would she pull that face at someone she wasn't very familiar with? The answer is no, because we see her being rude with people she doesn't know: she keeps a straight face during those interactions.Even Togusa doesn't get as much gremlin action as Aramaki does.The specific form of antagonism she reserves for Aramaki, which is confirmed by this pic>>290601472is 100% coherent with the "you're as precious as my own daughter" comment Aramaki says.You're the first guy I saw argue that Motoko starts out less familiar with Aramaki than with Togusa, and you aren't doing a great job of convincing me so far.
>>290602928>Trying to shove Aramaki into the recruitment process before he is their commanding officer is dumb.He's their contractor, he can make that kind of call if they agree to the deal. This is clearly not their first contract with him.But If you still aren't convinced I'll let you explain why you think it's stupid of them to let Aramaki saddle them with a rookie.
>>290590997One point of cyberpunk, in general, in the corporatization of everything. So the idea of putting an official assassination job on a darkweb listing, and allowing any public agency with access to do so and collect the reward, is kind of the point of the genre. It's a big part of the dystopia, where a large enough organization can just put out a request for basically anything, can disavow responsibility if something goes wrong, and can just avoid consequence when things go their way.
>>290603143>He's their contractor, he can make that kind of call if they agree to the deal. This is clearly not their first contract with him.Also your fanfiction.>But If you still aren't convinced I'll let you explain why you think it's stupid of them to let Aramaki saddle them with a rookie.Convinced of your fanfiction? I don't need to explain anything to counter you making shit up.
>>290603053It is not about being rude to Togusa or not, it is the familiarity between them.For example, Togusa feeling bad about letting the team down and worrying about losing rank, while Motoko expected his presence in the previous page.Basically there's no reason to think that Togusa was just added to the team other than being somewhat newer than other members. Which could still mean that he was part of the crew for months or more.
>>290603228>It is not about being rude to Togusa or not, it is the familiarity between them.Yes, precisely, which is why I'm drawing a distinction between motoko's expression of rudeness with, let's say Cl. Tonoda (straight faced, middle finger) and her expressions of rudeness with Aramaki (she behaves like a toddler)The former suggests distance, the latter suggests extreme familiarity.>Which could still mean that he was part of the crew for months or more.I can agree that he's been with them on previous missions. I didn't mean to say he was added to the team for that mission specifically, but given his background, and given Aramaki's agenda, and given Motoko's familiarity with Aramaki, I think the fairest assumption to make is still that Aramaki wants him there.Unless you can prove that the timeline doesn't line up with that or something.
>>290603322>and her expressions of rudeness with Aramaki (she behaves like a toddler)Or she just doesn't like him. He makes the Minister of the Interior punch himself in the face, she clearly doesn't respect authority.
>>290603225We're both claiming to understand Shirow's authorial intent.I claim that my fanfiction is more consistent with canon than your fanfiction, and is therefore more likely to match his authorial intent.If you don't care to argue that point, you don't have to.
>>290603357>Or she just doesn't like him. He makes the Minister of the Interior punch himself in the face, she clearly doesn't respect authority.For the third time, please observe the specifics.With any figure of authority who isn't Aramaki: violence or rude gestures, but mostly straight-faced.With Aramaki: total toddler behavior, but non-violent.
>>290603426>We're both claiming to understand Shirow's authorial intent.No.>give me a better explanation than the one I proposed, or accept mine.You are demanding either a better explanation or that I accept your weirdo fanfiction. I choose neither, your shit is not remotely canon.>I claim that my fanfiction is more consistent with canon than your fanfictionI never explained how I thought he got on Motoko's squad. I accept that I do not know.
>>290603470We only see her with authority figures after she is working for / representing Aramaki as an official Section 9 operative. You do not have enough pre-Section 9 Motoko to make any sort of analysis whatsoever for your weirdo Togusa is a plant fan theory.
>>290603555>I choose neitherOkay, that's progress from>Motoko brought him on boardWhich was based on nothing as opposed to being based on something.I'll settle for that.
>>290603636We see her interact with the minister of the interior. I'll admit that I lack evidence to come to a definitive conclusion, but your counter-arguments so far have been stuff like >pulling a giant tongue at him doesn't count as goofiness, because she made the minister punch himself.So, in the absence of something definitive, I'll stick with my fanfiction for now, not as a 100% factual thing, but as a reasonable explanation of their character dynamics, how does that sound?
>>290603322>I can agree that he's been with them on previous missions. >I didn't mean to say he was added to the team for that mission specifically, but given his background, and given Aramaki's agenda, and given Motoko's familiarity with Aramaki, I think the fairest assumption to make is still that Aramaki wants him there.Super Spartan is the first real mission that Motoko's squad is doing under Aramaki. The funding for their team was just confirmed in that chapter.
I do love this show, but it's funny how much it loves to dump crucial plot points into exposition in the last 5 minutes. Often I don't fully understand what's gone on in any given episode until Aramaki is explaining it in a talk with some government official at the end.
>>290602173Okay Section 6.
>>290604227It has that old science fiction story structure to it, but turned up to 11; so much of the plot and characters are totally offscreen. We see the action of the op but not what caused it.
speedreader/watcher. he wasnt a foreign diplomat, he was a turncoat. the big guy was the american diplomat. the guy who punched himself, the minister of foreign affairs, is secretly allies with aramaki. secretly being the key part. they keep meeting in the elevator.
>>290604876The guy who punched himself was batou
>>290604227Shirow's style is to talk at length about shit that doesn't matter and then only mention vital information once in passing.
The original manga doesn't really show much of military vehicles except the fuchikomas and spider tank from that one case does it?While watching arise noted how ugly and sci-fi for the sake of sci-fi a lot of the vehicles and mechanics were and it got me thinking about the design philosophies and aesthetics of all the different series. I feel like SAC did it best with the scorpion tanks, they were sick
>>290584106Imagine a world where all females have been exterminated and there are only men and human-birth-capable robot women. Robot women who lack all the malevolent pathoses of f*males and truly do live to make male humanity happy. They aren't brainwashed slaves, they just have it in their nature to want above all else to develop men to their best and brightest form. Among themselves they may discuss certain pathetic qualities of their men but with the driving interest of helping and developing them. Never resentment.Once the first robot birth occurred women threw a fit. Society started to go down the commie hellhole even faster so one mad scientist created a nanomachine virus that slowly killed off half of women and made the other half give only male births at a higher and higher rate.Robot women only give birth to human sons. Each robogirl pregnancy is a twin pregnancy; one where the robogirl's robo-ovaries both get impregnated by their man's sperm and make nanomachines that build another robot girl. Every male born gets his own robot sister that sticks with him through thick and thin as he is raised. Nuturing him, helping to raise him, and bringing him his first sexual experience.Robot girls as your mommy-daughter-sister-secretary-therapist-teacher-wives. Imagine.
>>290605324Some real women are good. Maybe like 5%.
>>290605456Then they will delight in hoping right on into robo-brain
>>290605324>imagine a world where every woman/girl is completely braindead and you can only ever have human relations with other dudesI'd rather have a person I can fuck AND relate to on the emotional level, but if you prefer otherwise, then I guess you do you.This sounds like some terminal apocalypse dystopian shit. "Image if ChatGPT roleplayed as your sister, then kept trying to have sex with you, then acted as your only therapist." I don't think it would take much for it to start recommending guns to everyone.
>>290604179the latter doesn't imply the former, if anything it suggests they got shafted on a previous deal
Should I read GITS?
>>290606420It doesn't really take long to read, so why not?
>>290605324>Alabama 2099the true cyber dystopia
>>290605324Sounds boring.
>>290603163GitS isn't that kind of cyberpunkfrom what we see this isn't the situation where corporations have replaced the government, or the commercialisation of everything like you see in some other titlesthis isn't a universe where you have to pay a subscription for law enforcement, or fresh airfor all of its high tech, GitS is pretty traditional where it comes to structures of powerwhere other settings have bounty hunters, Shirow has political machinations and backroom deals
>>290607993>from what we see this isn't the situation where corporations have replaced the governmentJapan literally ceases to be a nation state after being bought out by a corporation later in the series.
>>290608025and later still has fully biological androids running aroundI'm talking about the right now
>>290603143>This is clearly not their first contract with him.Pretty sure it literally is.
>>290603053>You're the first guy I saw argue that Motoko starts out less familiar with Aramaki than with Togusa, and you aren't doing a great job of convincing me so far.NTAI agree with other anonto me Motoko has a "teammate" relationship with Togusa, and "fresh government boss" relationship with Aramakishe distrusts him multiple times in Super Spartan, as does the rest of the teamTogusa himself voices doubts about the guyat the beginning of the scene in the bar everyone is convinced they've been played by himit's a "us vs him" dynamicI suspect you're being influenced by Aramaki's translated dialogue "the sort of offensive unit you and I have both dreamed of for years"where the original is closer to "[...] unit you and I have wished for", which sounds way less familiar
>>290598087SEX!!!!
When the new EP
>>290609836next weektanabata break
>>290595833>She could give me stonks advice in exchange for headpats.Just tell claude to pretend to be jewish and give you financial advice as if you were his blood relative
>>290609856Why do they have so many holidays
>>290611372Japs get basically zero paid leave. holidays are vacations for them.
>>290580687We gonna infodump so hard today Oshii will seem like a comedy show.
>>290582294This one
>>290581499amazing how OP went mask off with his concern trolling here
>>290584415Section 9 is a Section of the Public Security Bureau in real life japan each prefecture has a Public Security Section, but the Tokyo Metropolitan Police District is special in that only the it becomes "the bureau" where the security police branch becomes independent. They're basically like the FBI but with less focus on ordinary criminal activities and more on activities which threaten national security, like they were the ones posted to monitor and handle the Aum cult for example.In the GITS franchise Public Security is expanded to have a nationwide jurisdiction, with even a section that has jurisdiction abroad, and works a lot like the FBI crossed with NSA, or like China's State Security Police, except they're also FBI SWAT at the same time.The Major's group of hot dudes was coopted into Public Section 9 by Section 9's leader Aramaki under the cover of a search and rescue squad, but what they really are is the 攻殻機動隊 or Shell Squad, a black ops squad that only answers to Aramaki and the Prime Minister above him
>>290580687It's time to admit that GITS was dogshit. Unfinished story, a bunch of pseudo-intellectual bullshit that weebs consider deep, the animation is great only occasionally except when the characters don't move for a solid 3 minutes, worse than Evangelion. Fuck your nostalgia goggles and fuck you
>>290605324>Imagine a world where all females have been exterminated and there are only men and human-birth-capable robot womenThe creation and circulation of advanced biotech, particularly of the reproductive sort, had over time led to dramatic alterations in the sexual dynamics of the first world. Increasingly onerous intrusions by the government, corporations, and social media into private life due to the realities of the information age wove a tangled web of court rulings and cultural trends that ingrained into the public consciousness a sense of distrust for one another.This extended to relations between the sexes, and thus children conceived from synthetic eggs and sperm created using stem cells rather than natural couplings became more commonplace. Genome editing therapy, robotics, and cybernetic prosthesis had also begun to see progress around this time.Perhaps resulting from their more urgent biological clock, these changes initially appeared to favor women over men. The population shifted to represent this, in particular leading to a rise in lesbian couples, who often screened their infants' chromosomes at the embryonic stage to guarantee a daughter. Many men, by comparison, had begun to invest in automaton companions, AI-driven dolls who could fulfill their desires to whatever specifications they pleased, rearing offspring through artificial wombs when they chose to at all.Given the ratio of women to men had shifted solidly towards the former, the prediction that men might disappear entirely in the future, having built a world which was sustainable without them, became common refrain. Some even asserted that this was the natural course of human evolution.(cont)
>>290611976This state of affairs came to a crashing halt, however, when global infrastructure was thrown into peril owing to a succession of climate disasters and catastrophic crop blights, causing international trade to destabilize. As the price of commodities rose, indulgence and complacency were no longer sustainable. Many industries that had previously been taken for granted dissolved practically overnight. Governments struggled to maintain stability, if not order.Prior to the financial crisis, women were more likely to be college educated than men and benefited from various employment initiatives, but the current environment favored intensely technical vocations which maintained vital infrastructure or acted to solve the issues society faced - professions most women found themselves unsuited for.
>>290611992Unable to subsist independently or with meaningful governmental support, many women became desperate to find men better suited to the austere job market who would provide for them. Instead, they found themselves in competition not only with their own disproportionate population, but with gynoids who were both less costly to keep and free of human failings.Years of patches, mods, and hardware support had made automatons plenty flexible in both character and design. What they lacked in true spontaneity, they made up for in dependability and unconditional affection. Sure, there were not a few men who craved validation from a flesh and blood woman, but by and large, the biological female had for all intents and purposes become obsolete.No longer perceived as serving any sort of essential purpose, the social standing of the female sex declined dramatically. Cries of sexism and demands for equal treatment in spite of inadequate merit were roundly ignored - there was no time in the current state of the world to humor childish tantrums. Faced with poverty and even starvation on the one hand and insurmountable synthetic rivals on the other, the vast majority of women had no choice but to do what humans do best - adapt.To contend with the doll that had replaced her, woman became the superior doll. She prostrated herself at man's feet, allowing herself to be fashioned to his desires, sculpted into the perfect pet, an exquisite toy to be played with as he saw fit.
>>290612010The inexorable submission of women during this uncertain time in human civilization coincided with accelerating strides in biotech achieved by men working tirelessly to safeguard humanity's future in the wake of the crop blights and climate and financial crises. Breakthroughs in genetic code editing promised that the next generation would be physiologically superior to their predecessors, while epigenetic manipulation could be used to enhance the people of today - to say nothing of cybernetics.Epigenetic manipulation therapy was superior to the plastic surgery of the past in every regard. Physiques could be made to drastically reshape themselves over the course of weeks. Mental illnesses caused by flaws in one's brain chemistry could be amended as well, but it wasn't just chemical imbalances that could be corrected – one's entire neurology could be altered and enhanced.Cybernetics had made comparable leaps; complex bionic prosthesis indistinguishable at a passing glance from natural components were becoming commonplace. Indeed, full-body prosthesis - transplanting one's brain into a mechanical body not unlike that of an automaton - was considered a possibility.It was only a matter of time before humanity as a whole could reach the physical and intellectual thresholds of their most outstanding members. Yet, the use of this technology was guided by the cultural climate of the time. Perhaps, if they had held out another generation or two, women could have been enhanced to match men, an equal partner in the continuation of the species… but by the time that was possible, there were no free women left to bother. Every single one that remained had long since knelt to the will of their owners.
>>290612024Physical augmentation, overwriting their identities with neurological and epigenetic conditioning, reprogramming of brain chemistry, transferring brains to serviceable bodies with exchangeable parts, flooding them with nanites so that their bodies and minds could be altered on a whim, digitizing their minds to become the basis for authentic feminine AI algorithms… This was how men carried women into the future. The female phenotype had lost all practical value for humanity, but it still possessed enough aesthetic and entertainment value to warrant preservation.In this day and age, 'women' are no longer perceived as fully-fledged members of mankind, but rather more like a novel kind of pet that just so happened to be derived from a vestigial aspect of a bygone evolutionary phase. They are only occasionally born naturally by mistake or for kicks and are most often made to the specifications of their owner - though there's a thriving community for exchanging delightful and exotic specimens and providing homes to strays.Called 'man's best friend', they are precious little things who come in all shapes, sizes, and dispositions, though the most popular is perhaps the short and stout 'Asanagi', a playful and impish breed that becomes very obedient once they're shown who's in charge (though their libidos are known to be incorrigible). Women can speak languages, play games, do chores, perform tricks, and love physical contact even in the most introverted cases.The boys of today grow up knowing girls only in this form. It's customary when raising a boy to get them a girl to act as a lifetime companion. Taking care of them instills responsibility and leadership skills from a young age, and they're very helpful critters who you can do a lot of fun things with, such as kissing and fucking, so they're even good for getting exercise!Everyone loves a good girl.
>>290605324>>290611976>>290611992>>290612010>>290612024>>290612039The fuck is this
>>290605889>imagine a world where every woman/girl is completely braindead and you can only ever have human relations with other dudesWelcome to the real world, it's like that since 20 years or so unless you live in a backward shithole.
>>290611372I was lying
>>290612086slopgen goes brrr
New episode out
>>290614335no commie no watch
>>290580687>comparing a serious scene with a funny scene
no thread
How many episodes are left? We're getting pretty close to the end and even with the dense conversation major has with the puppeteer, I don't think there's enough to stretch out a full 12 episodes is there?
>>290614951I think they would add stuff to pad it out enough to make it a full 12 ep run
>>290611862only the leftmost is canon. everything else is fanfiction garbage.
>>2906149511 more. It's a 10 episode season.
>>290608277>Togusa himself voices doubts about the guyOkay that's a solid argument, I'll retract my statement about Togusa's relationship with Aramaki.However I still don't buy -at all- that Motoko wasn't already familiar with Aramaki. They were both in the military during the war, so even if it's their first contract (which I still doubt because they sound like they expect to get shafted for a reason) they still have a history.
>>290613641>imageYou are the cancer
>>290614335>>290614729Is it out yet?
So how was the ep
>>290619987guy went out looking at a beautiful sunrise while smoking a ciggynever even knew what hit him, most people aren't so lucky
>>290596881Finasteride + minoxidil. Problem solved.
>>290625582or better yet: the hair system
>>290625582That only regains a few cm of hairline (like 3) and anyway it stops working after a while.
wtf was motoko talking about at the trial?
>>290626687boils down to "people become disposable when they cause too much trouble" which is a basic organisational principle of society, but worded in a deliberately autistic and creepy way
>chirp chirp cheep cheep chirp ACK
>>290630257it was this moment - not the twink getting his brains blow off - but this bird getting blown up that completely switched the tone for me.
>Thanks for saving my life, Motoko>kys fagetWhy is she like this?
fuck motoko
>>290630257This is so fucked up. RIP jungle crow.
>>290630292Bullying Togusa is funny.
Hopefully the full ED will be out in the usual places soon.
Slopbots must be a godsend to agencies since they can just claim anything capturing them doing sketchy shit was genned.The full OP is already on my playlist. Such a good track.Fucking doom ass door noise.He's interrogating the anchorman? They are often pretty clueless and just read what is on their teleprompter.You'd think she would wear some kind of disguise.Holy fuck the major shut him the fuck down. That was brutal.Cute dialup noises.Really like the aesthetic of CRTs still in widespread use in 2030 even in cars.Lawyers really are scumbags.His honorable light counter, Judge Oldfuck.Wide car is wide.These ugly bastards really to capture what politicians really are.Fucking cool look red car, almost like a mustang.Some gorgeous city shots this episode.Great episode.Hopefully the full ED will pop up in the usual places soon. Amazing track.
>>290579780She needed funding
>>290611970>nostalgia gogglesthis also includes the original manga btw
>>290632559so the final end card has to be from Shirow himself, right?a brand new high resolution image of Motoko looking disgustingly busty and moist
>>290613809that pasta is from a thread on /d/ from six years agoyou're so retarded you can't even tell what's AI from what isn't
>>290632946you're retarded if you think I more than glanced at itanybody posting this much of their fetish story unprompted is functionally the same as a slopposter
>>290633060>i was only pretending to be retardedjust take the loss smoothbrain
>>290631291>>290630257Known bird hater Mamoru Oshii did this
>>290632946>/d/Nobody goes there.
My wives, giving me a double-buttjob:
>>290580687The red pill is GiTS is closet thing to Japanese dc/marvel. So a new guy comes in an adds their own retecon and changes and releases it. It all GiTS just redone by different guy and tweaked like fucking marvel. >Dis major is edge cool>Dis major is stone cold machine>Dis major is my waifu and genkiEtcThe fact they made Hollywood movie with scarlet Johanson just seals it.
>>290633477yeah sad state of affairsbut every once in a while you get a guy like Tony Takezaki who knocks it out the parkI'm very pissed he didn't get an endcard
>>290633495>Tony TakezakiWait, he did GiTS content?
>>290633541some of the best:
>>290633607Just found it, wish he'd managed to get a whole volume rather than just a single anthology chapterHe also knows what's important
>>290633630high-cut is the best
Will Shirow draw an end card
>>290633674if he does it'll probably suck. Anorexic Motoko with flat hair and blurry eyes like he's been doing for 15+ years
>>290633446Is your jack compatible?
>>290582181Based.
>Harder, daddy Aramaki!What's wrong with her?
Where android? It's the future right? want fuck android.
>>290634503give her like 50% skin and I'll tap that
>>290597727brush brush
>>290634503Calm down. Wait until 2030. 2B-like androids/sex doll will be a thing. Trust me.
>>290634682That's the only thing keeping me going
>>290634682Troons and women will make sure sexaroids never happen, gods I hate living in America.
>>290580687>one of the greatest science fiction movies ever madevs>generic seasonal moeslop
>>290634682This iew lies. It will be ai vr shit you gotta buy a head set for fucking jews.
>>290626687She said "yeah I thought for 0.82 seconds and pulled the fucking trigger anyway nerd."
>>290602127Uh what's going to happen?
>>290635835She leaves.
Is there really only on episode left? It feels like things are just getting started.
>>290633607Again, the gits batman beyond crossover needs to happen.Major meets Terry and goes high school, aramaki and Batman were frens, togusa goes full fanboy at the batcave, and barbara gets to slap batou for being a hag chaser.
>Israel is behind everythingis this really the deep message of GITS?
>>290635835>>290635881I see...
>>290633607Kinda wish he committed to giving one of them a terrible helmet wig if he was gonna do Battle Fever style suits.
>>290636025Sounds fun (and the batman beyond OST would be a vast improvement) but I'd much rather see an Angel Cop crossover>cyborgs>psychics>jews are behind it allit just writes itself.Motoko tries to lez out with Yo right off the bat, Aramaki mistakes Lucifer for his ex-girlfriend somehow, Raiden and Batou become best buds right away, and they share enhanced interrogation techniques. And of course the channeling agency gives them a hand.Would also work as a crossover between the angel cop manga and the GitS film. Cyborg Yo could teach Motoko a couple things about life.
>>290635835>>290636125No spoilers, but they're setting things up at the end of last episode if you want some idea of how/what they're about to pull off.
>>290633607>our sexy sistercorrectI am so glad this anime properly re-established Motoko's relationship with the team. She's not the team mom, she's the team irresponsible big sister who leaves her used tampons around the house and still gets grounded at age 19 because she keeps stealing from daddy Aramaki's wallet to buy corona on the weekend.And she'll smack Batou if he rats her out.
>>290636774>Major, Major! Last night I watched 275 petabytes of that porn-o-graphy you humans like so much! Let's try it!
>>290636774This is why you don't give them natural oil.
>>290636952>>290636774Batou did nothing wrong.
>>290614759
>>290637259you just know both motokos wanna molest that poor woman.
No one likes this shit worst anime of the season.
>>290637213He did nothing right either.
Ghost in the shell 2026 sucks go read the manga instead. Threads like this are full of larpers that hate anime and manga.
Uh oh, the schizo has reset its router again
>>290636774clank clank clank clank clank clankget enlightened get enlightened get enlightened
>>290637539Weak b8
>>290637539I didn't know the Gamia Q sisters were in GITS.
can't believe episode 8 got called a filler episode. meanwhile this lame muh press, muh court shit gets a pass.
>>290638423The final arc in the manga kinda sucks and then ends abruptly desu.
>>290579683>they can already make and sell lemonade, so why organize a lemonade business that helps make lemonade on a larger more efficient scale
>>290582197she is such a cutie
Why is she like this?
