Volume 65Hashirama and MadaraChapter 624: Evenhttps://desuarchive.org/a/thread/274143504Previous thread:>>290773844
>>290818829Dang, the uchiha are going to run like?
>>290818845>Madara unlocked 1 tomoe over having to fight his boyfriend
>>290818959Madara may have been stronger than Hashirama in this battle. He seems to have been fighting alone while Hashirama had Tobirama and other Senjuu with him.
>>290818977>no one touches my boyfriend
B&W
>>290818933>>290818959>Hashirama is literally undefeated against Madara until the war arcLmao
>>290818818>just starts philosophizing out of nowhere in the middle of the battlefield>>290818829>hey, should we go all out and fight to utter annihilation outside of the battlefield for no real official reason right here, my child?>>290818845>Hashirama's dad lets the Uchiha leave anyway>>290818860>they fight EVERYDAY somehow after that>>290818885>it's as simple as "let's make an alliance and we wont ever have to fight again" though
>>290818933>Hashirama comes with a reasonable proposition>Madara just answers with the same sentence he kept spamming when they were like 9 years old>>290819005>I can't trust you>even though you've been the only one trying to de escalate thing and talk with meI like Hashirama but Madara is really a little bitch
Wtf, "showing our guts to each other" is actually a quote from the manga?I skipped the last couple chapters, why the fuck is he saying that?
Why are the uchiha such weaklings with pussy ass attitude in this flashback?>AIIIIIIIEEEEE WE SURRENDER TO YOUR DEMANDS HASHIGOD!Sasuke would've prefered death over doing this.
>>290818845You forgot your jobber finger pose, Madara.
>>290818959>offscreen'dLmao
Done!
>>290819005>>290819028>>290819462>>290819477Arigatou, OP!
Indeed, the story would make much more sense if Madara were a woman.
>>290819560No.
>>290819560
The story would have been better if it was sasuhina and narusaku.two kids bullied by other peopleTwo kids with abusive parents.
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>>290819560If it's not gay as fuck, it's not in line with Kishi's vision.
>>290819636Post the next scene
>>290819560>>290819636>>290819648>>290819660>>290819677>>290819680Fuck off already you pathetic retards.
>>290818959Prime Madara btw, no Kabuto roids or edo. Heemed off screen by Chadirama.
Has it ever been explained what makes the Senju clan stronger than others? Like, what is their gimmick, what are their powers? Is the entire clan just being carried by ridiculously overpowered individual with plot armor?
>>290819786They have a lot of chakra. Tobirama is a monster who was intimidating Orochimaru, Sasuke, Hiruzen, and Minato.
>>290819648In prefer sakulee.
>>290818786See, this is the kind of comically dark and gritty shit Part 2 should have had more of, just like Part 1.>>290818818Aaaaand here it goes right back to the classic melodramatic juvenile bullshit of Part 2.>Madara starts preaching about sentimentality in the middle of a fight >>290818977Here as well. >Tobirama I know we already murdered countless of Uchihas but DON'T YOU DARE KILL THIS ONE GUY I SKIPPED STONES WITH AS A KIDLike, fuck off.
>>290819818Pure bloodline, descended off Asura. Really that simple.
Who wins?
>>290819904Madara, what kind of question is that?
>>290819818More chakra shouldn't make them more durable.
>>290819904JJK is a very overrated verse, Sukuna is city level at best while Madara was slicing many mountains in one swing.
>>290819904Sukuna is a kiba victim unironically.
>>290818845>I've gain something valuable from thisDidn't Madara already unlock the Sharingan in the previous chapter? >>290796137
>>290819967>More chakra shouldn't make them more durable.It clearly does and always has. Look at kid Sasuke (curse seal off) hurled into the solid rock wall of the Valley of the End here so hard that the rock shatters. He's stunned but barely hurt. A normal human body would have bones shattered and internal injuries.
>>290803001I'm certain there's a manga page during the Rasa fight where he outright tells Garaa that Yashamaru truly loved and was simply forced to say he hated him. So yeah, there really is no room interpretation.
>>290820098Hashirama was more precious to him than his brothers.
>>290820136Kinbros...
>>290820136Chunin exams Sasuke would've tanked that almost as good.
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>>290820190Yeah, I wouldn't expect base Sasuke's durability to have increased significantly.
>>290820241Boruslop no thank you.
>>290819477Thanks, comfy OP!
>>290820241Boruto sales have tanked so hard that they're just going to go back to making new material for Naruto in hopes of recouping good will kek.
>>290798974So basically Danzo had been reasonable for one single arc during the Tenchi Bridge mission, when he wanted to kill Sasuke before Orochimaru could possess his body. After that he becomes cartoonish levels of evil.
>>290820136Not really, getting more chakra than you already have boosts your stats but having more chakra than someone doesn't inherently make you stronger than them.Part 1 Naruto had more chakra than Red pilled Choji but he was by no means stronger, Naruto also had more chakra than Cerberus Kiba and I don't really see him dealing with that without using Kurama.
>>290820331Bro, this is literally nothing new.Every spin-off and game all falls into the Naruto brand.
>>290818786Tajima and Butsuma are both scum bags willing to let their kids die in front of them if it means they can potentially get a slight advantage over each other
>>290818980Having a lover's spat with his BF is more emotionally damaging than his brothers being killed on the battlefield or having to fight in wars
>>290820331>>290820285Why is boruto failing.
>>290818870Hashirama thankfully convinced his little brother to change 'Uchigger Killing Slice' to 'Flying Raijin Slice'
>>290820496Because it's "ninjas..?" The Series
>>290820496>this was pasta from reddit after a fan of two blue vortex dropped the series.Every time the latest chapter of Boruto: Two Blue Vortex comes out, I find myself reading it almost out of a sense of obligation. I still care deeply about the Naruto/Boruto story, and because this is a continuation of a series that has been loved for decades, I genuinely want to see it reach a satisfying conclusion. However, with each new chapter, I increasingly find myself wondering: Does the story actually know where it is going, or is it simply delaying the inevitable answers?
>>290820552The central mysteries of Two Blue Vortex have enormous potential. Boruto’s altered fate, the omnipotence phenomenon, Kawaki’s obsession with protecting Naruto, the Divine Trees, the Ōtsutsuki, the Jougan, Kashin Koji’s future visions, and the true significance of Boruto’s new abilities could all form the foundation of an incredible final act. Yet despite the amount of information being introduced, the actual connections between these mysteries and the ultimate direction of the story remain difficult to understand.The problem isn’t that Two Blue Vortex is mysterious. Mystery is one of the strengths of the Naruto franchise. The problem is that the story sometimes gives the impression that new mysteries are being added faster than existing ones are being resolved.There is also a noticeable pacing issue. Months can pass between chapters, yet individual chapters sometimes feel as though they contain relatively little forward movement. Important characters disappear for extended periods, major conflicts are interrupted, and certain developments that should carry enormous emotional weight are quickly pushed aside for the next plot point.
>>290820572>There is also a noticeable pacing issue.It's just this. It's way too slow.
>>290820552>>290820572This becomes especially frustrating because Two Blue Vortex is supposed to be the continuation that finally brings many of the unresolved ideas from Boruto toward their conclusion. Instead, the story occasionally feels as though it is expanding its mythology faster than it is progressing toward an ending.Another major concern is the characterization.Boruto himself has undergone one of the most dramatic transformations in the franchise. His exile, the consequences of omnipotence, his separation from Naruto and Hinata, and his decision to continue protecting the village despite being branded an enemy could have created an incredibly powerful psychological storyline.Yet there are times when the emotional consequences of these events feel strangely understated.Boruto has essentially lost his entire previous life. His family has been taken from him, his reputation has been destroyed, his friends have been manipulated into believing a false reality, and he has spent years being hunted. Those circumstances should have an enormous impact on his mentality.
>>290818885This little shit is the cause of everything because it looks like Madara was actually considering it.
>>290820552>>290820552>>290820572Instead, the story sometimes moves so quickly from one plot development to another that the emotional weight of Boruto’s situation doesn’t receive the attention it deserves.The same problem can be seen with Kawaki.Kawaki’s motivations are understandable, but his actions have become increasingly extreme. His decision to manipulate reality, imprison Naruto and Hinata, and eliminate Boruto creates the foundation for one of the most important conflicts in the entire franchise. However, the story needs to continually explore the psychological consequences of that decision rather than treating it simply as the mechanism that moves the plot forward.The battle side of the manga also deserves criticism.The original Naruto series became famous not only because of its mythology but because its fights had emotional meaning. Naruto versus Sasuke, Naruto versus Pain, Sakura and Chiyo versus Sasori, Shikamaru versus Hidan, Rock Lee versus Gaara, and many others worked because the combat reflected the characters’ personalities, philosophies, relationships, and growth.Two Blue Vortex has introduced incredibly powerful abilities, but raw power alone does not create memorable fights.
>>290818959>it took hashirama, tobirama, and multuple other senju clan members to take madara downthe uchiha are the strongest. it's that simple and I shan't hear otherwise.
>>290820552>>290820572>>290820596>>290820619When characters can reach absurd levels of strength, battles need increasingly clever strategy and emotional stakes to compensate. Otherwise, fights can become demonstrations of new abilities rather than genuine conflicts between characters.This is particularly noticeable with the older generation.Characters such as Sarada, Mitsuki, Sakura, Konohamaru, Shikamaru, and the other surviving members of the previous generation have enormous narrative potential. Yet many of them remain underutilized while the story increasingly focuses on Boruto, Kawaki, Code, Jura, and the Divine Trees.Boruto’s sequel should obviously focus on Boruto. But that doesn’t mean the supporting cast should become spectators.Sarada in particular has a massive unresolved storyline involving her Mangekyō Sharingan, her feelings toward Boruto, her position within the Uchiha legacy, and her ambition to become Hokage. Mitsuki’s relationship with Boruto and his identity crisis also remain important. These characters need meaningful development rather than occasional appearances.There is also the question of the larger mythology.
>>290820496They are coping
>>290818845But didn't he say last chapter he has better eyesight due to the sharingan?
>>290818933>my little brother ended up dying from that day's woundsIzuna seemed perfectly healthy in that other flashback. Was Itachi just bullshitting back then?
>>290820552>>290820572>>290820596>>290820619>>290820647The Ōtsutsuki storyline has continued expanding, but the more the story introduces concepts such as Shibai, Shinjutsu, Divine Trees, Jura, future visions, and increasingly powerful abilities, the more important it becomes to establish a clear hierarchy and purpose for these concepts.Otherwise, the danger is that the story begins feeling like an endless escalation of mythology rather than the conclusion of the Naruto saga.The biggest issue for me is therefore not simply pacing.It is narrative focus.Boruto: Two Blue Vortex has the opportunity to become the final major chapter of the Naruto saga. It has the characters, history, mysteries, and conflicts necessary to create an incredible conclusion.But the story needs to start answering questions instead of constantly creating new ones.
>>290818977>run amokYou mean get uppity, Hashi?
>>290820572>>290820596>>290820619>>290820647>>290820675What exactly is the ultimate purpose of the Ōtsutsuki?What is the significance of Boruto’s special abilities?Where is the Jougan?What exactly is Kashin Koji’s role in the future?How will omnipotence ultimately be resolved?What happens to Naruto and Hinata?What will happen between Boruto and Kawaki?How does Sarada’s dream of becoming Hokage fit into the final conflict?And, most importantly, what is the actual endpoint of Boruto’s story?The longer these questions remain unresolved while additional concepts are introduced, the more difficult it becomes to tell whether the story is carefully building toward a predetermined conclusion or simply expanding because there are still more ideas to explore.I don’t want Boruto: Two Blue Vortex to rush its ending. Quite the opposite—I want it to take the time necessary to properly resolve its characters and mysteries.But I also don’t want the story to fall into the trap of endlessly postponing its most important answers.The Naruto franchise deserves a conclusion that feels deliberate, emotionally satisfying, and earned.Two Blue Vortex still has the potential to deliver that.But at this point, the story needs to demonstrate that all of these mysteries, characters, powers, and conflicts are ultimately leading somewhere meaningful—not simply toward the next mystery.>done.Now is think about your question anon why is boruto failing?
>>290820648Damage control.
>>290818959>>290818977>no Madara >no Tobi >no Akatsuki >no bloody mist>no kyuubi attack >no Uchiha massacre >no fifth ninja warImagine the countless tragedies Hashirama could've prevented here
>>290820657>Was Itachi just bullshitting back then?Yeah that was a total lie. Madara had no intention of taking Izuna's eyes until Izuna was dying and offered to give them to Madara.
>>290818977>he's not even trying to hide his feelings any more!? disgusting..!
>>290819005Bold words from Madara but he has a point. Hashirama is being unrealistic here.
>>290819005Should've just picked Madara up here and ran away to go elope and be gay with his bf in the mountains.
>>290818885>extends a peace offering>while his brother is fucking dyingMaybe offer him medical help via HASHIRUNGUS CELLS as a bargaining chip? Or wait till later?
>>290818959Tobirama attempts to be reasonable once again
This flashback is really obnoxious. I'm sick of Madara constantly talking about guts and all the gag scenes with Hashirama sulking.
>>290820648Bleach wasn't released/reruned in 2017-18
>won't just kill Madara and subjugate the Uchiha by forceIDIOTshirama...
>>290819003>>290820645You really think Hashirama needed help when he had his wood bullshit?
>>290820241Probably those 4 episodes they promised us 3 years ago.New IP gacha?Boruto adaptation?New game?New one-shot? New novel?
>>290819751Based.
>>290819201Cute brother :3
>>290819312Noooo rip cute twink
>>290819848>Like, fuck off.Its even worse than that. Hashirama who at this point must have killed dozens of Uchiha in at least self defense or to save comrades is suddenly against killing this one particular Uchiha as if because they shared a thought once, this one is special and the key to saving the ninja world. It's racist and offensive and really shows he actually thinks very little of the average Uchiha.
>>290818959>all the bullshit could've been stopped right hereHASHIRAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>290820708Honestly, that was also a common opinion held by /bort/ anons.
>>290819821Sakura really is the village bicycle, but that just makes his husband Sasuke all the happier!
>>290819848There's literally nothing wrong with Hashirama wanting to extend a peace deal with the now leader of the Uchiha clan. I criticized kid Madara philosophizing in the middle of a retarded useless 3v3 death battle but Hashirama calling the shots here is just fine.
>>290820496Because we already had an ending. Naruto is that kind of franchise, manga ends, you move on. But kishimot' assistant wanted to profit on Naruto's fame.
Fucking hilarious that Izuna is mortally wounded on the battlefield, surrounded by enemies, and potentially his last words aren't, "Wait brother, its too late for me, but maybe others can be spared...", but for a man who might not be alive tomorrow, he instead says, "No brother, keep the blood feud going, even if it means lots of Uchiha kids will die like me. Do not under any circunstances ever agree to peace with the Uchiha, even if it means you die too... UGH... its all going dark... remember what I said... millions must die..."
>>290821297Theyll just make theorys along the way of the story.
Oh just noticed. Izuna didn't died at war. Madara still needs to steal eyes from his bubba. Also>Izuna is just Sasuke with dick sucking lipsI raugh
>5 chapters without Naruto Yawn
>>290821315The Uchihas were already starting to admit defeat to the Senjus, and Madara seemed to be the only one that still forced bloodshed between the clans. I think it's pretty reasonable to want to kill him.
>>290821473Hashirama hasn't said "nobody will ever kill Madara and Madara will go home scot free after today no matter what happens now". He's still trying to talk, and he asked if there was any way to convince him. Later on we see what Hashirama does when his back is against the wall and he has to take tough measures. Honestly I don't think Hashirama is being too nice here, even though he was too nice earlier when he accommodated Sasuke so much despite the current war.
>>290821543Doesn't he literally try to kill himself in the next chapter at Madara's request, after which Tobirama would have most likely killed Madara? It's retarded no matter how you look at it.
>>290821609Yes, that shows he's a saint and self sacrificial but that doesn't mean he's not practical. Had Madara said "no you can't convince me, I'll come back tomorrow" then Hashirama would've killed him just like he did years later when they fought (or so he thought but Madara cheated reality). It might not be 100% rational, but it definitely makes sense for someone with an ideal to go to these lengths, he'd hate the idea of winning like that.
It really doesnt make any sense that Hashi and Madara clashed several times and they both lived. That's for stories like One Piece where human durability is way off into comedic fantasy tier, and you can survive battleships being dropped on your head, especially when it's like a flashback to the old timers, theres even an element of their legend having some myth to it and not being entirely true, but none of that applies here. This instead is a world where a tiny poison tipped needle can be deadly, and giant psychic samurai throw neverending black flame-wreathed katana at you. How did one or the other of them leave after a loss? They even say Madara never even ended up on his back once (boy, the gay shit just wont stop), how is that possible?
>>290821123We rob the Bleach's producer KEKW
>>290821657Nah I think it's too retarded regardless of what ideals Hashirama has. Do you believe he would've gone through this "I'll kill myself if it means you ally yourself with us" spiel for enemy he met that wanted to kill him?
>>290822075No, Madara obviously had a special place in his heart. There's a context to this. Hashirama would still go out of his way to try and make peace talks possible but he wouldn't kill himself for a random enemy. For Madara, it makes sense as part of his idealist mindset and the relationship he had with him.By the way I criticized the chapter in multiple parts but this is perfectly fine. Shit like Vinland gets a pass for far worse.
>top tier kage level ninja are successfully escaped from by a level 1 smoke bombIm tired, bossThis shit makes no sense. Its like a Saturday morning cartoon. The bad guy used a smoke bomb and escaped! Oh no! Looks like we will have to fight him again next week!Tobirama the elite sensor ninja can't detect wounded Uchiha escaping surrounded by enemies? Boy, that must have been some mighty powerful Uchiha powders in that smoke bomb.
>>290822140This was an issue since like early chunin exams
Reminder Kakuzu survived this
>>290818911>uchiha defectorsso the senju got their own uchiha soldiers?
>>290818959ESTO ES EL FIIN MADARA
>>290818959>>290818977>>290819005did Madara know about Izanagi here and was just waiting for someone to kill him and escape?
>>290822116>had a special place in his heart>they skipped stones a few times and told each other "war should stop" Such a special place
>>290819249like a dog shows it's belly to submit.
>>290822459Stupid reductionism. They met on a daily basis for a while, shared their pain and the loss of their kin, trained together and shared the dream of changing things so that children like them wouldn't have to die anymore. They were close enough that they'd rather betray their clan by warning the other with the stone trick. Of fucking course Hashirama feels something for Madara, and the other way around as well.
>>290818959>Could've ended it all right here>No Madara causing shit behind the scenes for generations>No Obito unleashing Nine Tails on the village and getting a bunch of people killed>No Akatsuki>No great ninja war>B-B-BUT WE SKIPPED STONES TOGETHER AS KID!!! DON'T DO IT, BROTHER!!!!Fuck Hashirama, faggot doomed the world to completely unnecessary death, war and heartbreak because he couldn't get over a fleeting childhood friendship even when Madara was saying to his face through years of conflict that he needed to let it go.Tobirama should've been the first hokage. He actually cared about the security and longevity of the village over personal feelings and if the Uchiha actually had gotten uppity after Madara's death he wouldn't have hesitated to wipe the remnants of their dogshit clan out while they were in a weakened state.
>>290821410>Oh just noticed. Izuna didn't died at war. Madara still needs to steal eyes from his bubba.Yes he did. Izuna died from that wound Tobirama gave him. Madara later confirms that he hates Tobirama for it much much more than he hates Hashirama.
>>290822228Tobirama used them as ginea pigs to develop the Edo Tensei
Hiashi won.
>>290818959Racism aside, it was never going to work out, not with Madara's brother dead.
>>290822534Stupid holism. None of that makes Hashirama's attitude here any less retarded or forced, especially when he just got pissed at Tobirama for wanting to kill him. If Hashirama killed himself, Madara would have definitely gotten killed afterwards, too. And also Hashirama literally tells him that if he dies, another Uchiha will take his place to avenge him. He clearly didn't want to kill Madara here.
>>290822790This manga sucks, your criticism too. There's nothing wrong with Hashirama trying to make things happen through diplomacy and getting tense at his trigger happy brother trying to finish off his not-boyfriend while he's trying to talk things out with him. Most of the time it's Kishimoto being a trash mangaka, sometimes it's actually just a (You) issue.
>>290819021why do closeted homosexuals always project onto fictional characters?
>>290822850Idk anon, I think you're just a massive retard if you can't see how pretentious this is. Most people would look at this dialogue and realize how melodramatic and autistic it all is.The whole "another Uchiha will just replace you" line also destroys your argument because Hashirama was clearly not intending to kill him.
>>290822933I think you should read more books, actually.
>>290822850Offering to kill yourself for another guy isn't "diplomacy" lmao
>>290823032I'm not calling the self sacrificial act of the next chapter diplomacy, I'm explicitly talking about this current scene since this is what's being criticized >>290818959>>290818977>>290819005None of these words or lines are weird or unreasonable. Complying with Madara's demand in the next chapter is suicidal and not the wisest course of action and that's the part where I'm not going to agree with him, but later on he makes up for it by showing he can and will kill if needed, even Madara.
>>290822912Why are you throwing shade at Kishimoto like that?
If you haven't noticed, none of the uchiha, senju or Hagoromo clan members were kunoichis so far.
>>290820136It's absolute bullshit. Naruto's rasengan has destroyed a metal water tower by blowing out the back of it but every time he hits anyone with it, they're just stunned. Kunai and shuriken should shatter upon impact if these guys are so durable they can be thrown into mountains and shatter them while walking away unharmed. Unless we're to believe shuriken are thrown with chakra embedded in them or some stupid shit.
>>290823235They are.
>>290823230Well duh, Tobirama was still alive
>>290823086Okay
>>290823275I think it's only when they're covered in blue aura like Asuma's blade things n shit
>>290823275If they are then there'd be no point in dodging shuriken/kunai thrown by a lesser opponent. It means if, say, Konohamaru ran up to Naruto with a kunai and tried to stab him, and assuming Naruto could see it coming, he could just brace for it and it'd bounce off of him like a man trying to stab a boulder with a butter knife.
>>290823235The only reason rasengan did anything to the water tank, retard, was the amount of water the tank had. When striking other opponents not only they would try to minimize the damage by coating the target of the attack with chakra, their bodies also are much more complicated than a simple watertank which would make it more difficult for the liquid in their bodies to go nuts in the same way the water in the watertank was able to
>>290818977One of the panel that seeded a new generation of fujos aiming for old men love.
>>290818845>the thought of fighting his boyfriend caused him to awaken his bullshit eye powers
>>290823235>It's absolute bullshit. Naruto's rasengan has destroyed a metal water tower by blowing out the back of it but every time he hits anyone with it, they're just stunned. Kunai and shuriken should shatter upon impact if these guys are so durable they can be thrown into mountains and shatter them while walking away unharmed. Unless we're to believe shuriken are thrown with chakra embedded in them or some stupid shit.Wonder Woman (or Luffy!) style durability. Resistant to blunt force but weak against sharp metal.
Thank you comfy kages
>>290823278What does Tobirama have to do with this?
>>290818774Kishimoto is so bad at drawing swords
>>290823407>hit a giant boulder with the rasengan >it disintegrates it>shit, we can't have our main character who has vowed to never ever kill anyone ever have his main attack be a giant death ball capable of liquifying people, what do we do?>I know, if someone gets hit by it, just make them really, really tired!It's retarded. There's no defending it. Kishi is a fucking coward and needed to keep Naruto "pure" so he allows his main attack to just tucker them out. At least the chidori has actually killed people, the Rasengan, despite being based on a god damn city-destroying biju bomb, just stuns people.
>>290818845And they say Sasuke and Naruto were gay for each other
>>290818911>let’s stop this and live peacefully >lolno *leave*See? Tobirama is right.
>>290818774>>290823607Now that you mention it that sword looks way too big for Tobirama to use kek
>>290823374Chakra makes flesh act like rubber, they are durable to physical hits but weak to piercing and slicing damage.
>>290819005>get rid of your pesky brother, only I should have you all for myself!
>>290823407Humans are 70% liquid retard
>>290822302Kek
>>290823632What giant boulder gets disintegrated you dumb retard? Naruto hit like 2 people with rasengan that didn't end up maimed: Sasuke who always ends up mitigating it with chiidori and Kabuto who tanked the very first proper rasengan Nauro was able to pull off by gathering all the chakra he could at the spot being attacked and even then he nearly died doing so>>290823710Are you literally so braindead you cannot comprehend that a human body isn't even remotely close in its structure to a watertank? Again the water is spread out throughout the body in a way it never will be in a water tank. there are bones and meat in the way and that's not to mention chakra
>>290823689It's a good thing there are absolutely no sharp, jagged rocks in a mountain.
>>290823792Naruto was throwing the rasenshuriken to cut mountains in half and it's been shown to absolutely destroy inanimate objects it has collided with. It's only when it hits a human that it somehow does nothing beyond making them really tired.
>>290823792The metal used to make that water tank should logically be much more durable than the flesh of any human.Even if we go with the excuse that people just concentrarem chakra when they get hit, it still feels contrived that all these characters had the time to defend themselves with chakra but not dodge the damn move.
>>290823792>rasengan mainpulates water (never stated in canon) so a full steel water tank takes MORE damage than a human fucking bodyback in my day, bait was believable
Btw, later on Naruto will cut Madara in half with a rasengan and that only happened because Madara wouldn't die from it.
>>290823929But it's ok, he did just enough damage to Kakuzu to leave him at 1hp! That way Kakashi can finish him off and Naruto stays squeaky clean! Because there's an enormous difference between killing someone and rendering them incapacitated so someone else can kill them!Nips are fucking weird man.
>>290819005>pointless cliffhanger for something that obviously doesn't happen
>>290822772Tobirama could have edo tensei'd all 4 of Madara's brothers back, he just chose not to.
>>290824575What makes you think he didn't? Madara is not a fan of that jutsu.
>>290819005I find funny he doesn't mention his father. Hashirama and Madara probably didn't miss theirs.
So did he think Naruto was 18 years old or something?
>>290825483Kishi was obsessed with killer toddlers. Zabuza killed all chuunin exam participants when he was s kid too.Or just retcon
Apparently Kakashi and Sakura didn't interact once between timeskip. What was his problem.
>>290825897Who's problem do you mean?Kishi's problem? He hates women.Kakashi's problem? He hates women.
>>290824190Imagine how funny it would've been if this is how Hashirama actually died
>>290821991So If I understood correctly, Bleach is about to be wrapped up and Pierrot moves to Naruto?
>>290825483Kakashi was a shit teacher for everybody in his cell besides Sasuke, and even then he clearly failed to see how unbalanced Sasuke had become and didn't bother to keep any tabs on him after he attacked Naruto besides a small pep talk.
Stop hating Kakashi, his father egoistically killed himself leaving poor boy all alone.Kakashi was only twelve and already doing taxes. He has deep daddy issues.
>>290819848>>290819083>>290819083>bweeh talk no jutsu, what is this, naruto?when the fuck else are they supposed to talk about it? in this moment this is there last non killing interaction as far as they know
>>290826718>Stop hating Kak-No.
>>290818837this must be that kid they were crying over before, kawarama. another loss of a potential hokage
>>290820654maybe he didn't tell anyone, the obsession those pricks have with their eyes? i'd keep that shit as quiet as possible
How did Uchihas reacted to Obito's death? I don't remember it in manga, was it in some filler. Did they make Minato kneel and apologize at least?
>>290827159Off-screened of course.
>>290819005madara looks like a woman on that panel
I kinda like how Madara and Izuna's situation seems to be a reversal of Itachi and Sasuke's.
>>290827159>Obito? That's the retard with the goggles, right?
>>290820654no? he shut up before the word came out because he realized it would give his clan away.why is your media literacy so shit
>>290818845>His first heartbreak over his homosexual boycrush damages his brain's chemistry to such a degree he unlocks the sharinganWill Kishi ever come out of the closet?
>>290819005>There IS one other option you can do to prove your trust>*pulls out dick*>Go on, it ain't gonna suck itself>And that's when I did the unthinkable, Sasuke
>>290823662Piece of shit even abandoned his own clan mates. No wonder Uchihas started to defect kek
>>290818885Just like Tobirama, the younger uchiha brother was unwilling to stop being unreasonable for five minutes
>>290818870bold. bold to go for the alliance request, right after your brother stabbed his lethally>>290818885>>290818911look at fucking tobirobi in the background>brother>what are you doing trying to make an alliance right now>that's not what you should be saying as our leader>you should be saying "what a good stab!">"i'm glad you trained so well to kill the only remaining brother of our sworn enemy">"thank you, tobi" that's what you should be saying
>>290827816>He made you... suck, lord first?
>>290818885He probably should have offered this truce as soon as they became clan leaders, not waited until Madara's brother was dying.
>>290827159he was that obnoxious geek nobody liked. pretty much the Naruto of his generation
>>290827159They held the first annual Rin gangbang with Kakashi as the lead man
>>290822535killing the members that helped form your fledgling nation state is an ape's idea of legitimacy. if tobirama had been less of a zealous prick their wouldn't have been a schism in the first place
>>290828219Uchiha culture is so beautiful.
>>290820703>no tobi i don't mean that>i'm just suggesting - >you haven't stopped suggesting that and we've been dead for half a century you uppity prick
>>290827159In the anime, some of the other Uchihas asked Fugaku if they should take the Sharingan back from Kakashi, but he told them to respect Obito's wishes.So while not "canon", it's pretty easy to imagine something like that happening since Kakashi having it was well known
>>290818870I wonder how the events would have changed if Izuna had killed Tobirama and then Madara had been the one to offer Hashirama the peace offering.
>>290820942that would be rape anon, you can't rape the one you love unless they explicitly say yes i'm into that shit
>>290819560>in rie nia's canon, tobirako raped izuna so hard he died
>>290818885>>290827896It is genuinely hilarious how similar "Damn Uchiha, a clan of pure evil, they should all die" Tobirama and "My last dying words are reminding you not to ever trust any of those dirty Senju, all they know is deception" Izuna seem to be. People talk about Madara and Hashirama's relationship, but the real tragedy is that Tobirama and Izuna weren't born into the same clan so they could both channel and combine their collective racism against a common target.
>>290822535If anything this flashback reinforces the opinion that Naruto is an idiot for wanting to bring Sasuke back. The actual end of the cycle he keeps blabbering about would be to grow some balls and kill all the guys who are more of a danger to society than anything else
>>290819751no. sakura monkeys should be the ones to leve
>>290825897She got a new mentor and they really didn't have any shared interests
>>290826890That's not my issue, I'm the one defending Hashirama talking things out with Madara in this context AFTER defeating him. Just not the style of dialogue Kishimoto writes in the middle of a vicious parents-children death battle.
>>290825483Kishi didn't know if he wanted his manga to be incredibly grim and dark with children killing each other nonstop or not, so there's all these allusions early on to killing in Naruto which get phased out as Naruto goes from "protect my friends and be true to my word" to "I will never kill anyone for world peace".
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/282986493/#282986493
>>290827159Why would they react to it? That was war time and everyone died, who'd care about the 500th kid just because he was a named character?>>290828321Stupid fillers
Cacasuke the CacodorousFecalsuke the FetidGuanosuke the GraveolentMucksuke the MalodorousOrduresuke the OlidPoopsuke the PongyScatsuke the Stenchy
Hanabump no Jutsu!
>>290818845>one tomoeObito went from zero Sharingan to two tomoe straight away to defend Kakashi, does that mean Obito was even gayer for the dude?
>>290827159Considering Kishimoto's very desperate attempt to make Obito tragic, he'd made so no one from the clan cared.
>>290828711>to leve
>>290819406I really don't get why Kishi wrote EMS Madara to job to Hashirama... like what's the point of they were not equally matched and Madara was always spared by a merciful Hashirama
funnycomfy
>>290830015Why do you keep spamming this?
>>290818845>last chapter Madara was about to say he already unlocked the sharingan>now the story acts as if him having to kill Hashirama is what made him unlock them, not the loss of his brothersMan, you can REALLY tell that Kishimoto has stopped giving a shit.
>>290820241They are going to announce that Naruto will be a guest character in Fatal Fury: City of the wolves
>>290818755Tsunade is the best woman
>>290818845Gay
>>290830650>BBC obsessed artist
>>290818959Tobirama was seconds away from preventing the fourth ninja war here
>>290828321Do you remember which episode?
>>290832174being obsessed with big boob chest is normal
>Necrobumps at the 11th hourWhy won't you let it archive? Why are you obsessed with proving that this general is a massive success? Let it go. It's okay.
C to the unny
>>290833197Uhh.. BBC doesn't stand for that. It stands for barely breasted chest. But yes it is normal.
>absolute diarrhea of posts following after low effort bump
>>290818885
>>290833312Necrobump to save the face from irrelevancy was there since chapter one and never left. Hopefully he dies inside with each forced bump.
>>290827630He looks feminine there, but I don't know why.
>>290833389>>290830650
I prefer small chest, leave me alone bud
>>290823830Rasenshuriken is a completely different jitsu with a completely different effect. >>290823901It's not about metal being more durable retard it's about metal being only capable keeping calm water in. Rasengan transfers its rotational power to the huge amount of water inside the tank which in result compromises its integrity and blows its back out precisely becausea huge amount of water which supposed to be sitting still starts moving chaotically>>290823916You dumb retard the implications is clear. Naruto puts a slight dent into the spot rasengan directly hit yet the back of the tank is completely wrecked. How the fuck you retard reckon that happened without rasengan transferring its rotational force to the water inside and water doing most of the work?
>>290818959these fights would be cool as hell as a movie
>>290828466Hashirama would've taken it. He has lost enough brothers
bumping the funnycomfy
>>290818845Lol Kishi has made a lot of sus moments in Naruto
>>290820657Yeah. Itachi was lying to make sure that Sasuke wouldn't have any regrets about killing him.
What would I change.Pain attack. Kakashi dies. Instead of Sakumo, it's an empty field. Kakashi calls "Rin? Rin...?" No one answers. Then Kakashi gets revived.Sounded better inmy head
>>290826114suicide does seem like the only way a young Hashirama could actually bite it, doesn't it
>>290823663tobirama was young
It’s because… you let the thread die.
funniest comfiest funnycomfy
>>290837538What would even change in the grandscheme of things here?Kekashi realizing a girl he never cared for doesn't love him anymore?
>>290834446Regardless of the amount of water, something that can blow up a water tank should be able to do the same thing to a human.
I miss Salad pedo. Maybe Tatuya poster too. Rest can go
>>290840411If you miss them so much then join them.
Well I did saved some Rin cunny pics, though
>>290819821I don't like Sakura with anyone.
Can't wait to be disappointed by another chapter.
>>290842142Won't be disappointed if you don't read them.
Chapter 625: My True Dream
>>290842525So, Hashirama didn't have his crazy regen at this point?Madara lost to what was essentially a glorified commoner? KWAB
>>290842497If hashi would've really killed himself, did he expect Tobi to just let Madara go? The second greatest Uchiha killer respecting his brother's wishes by not killing the most dangerous Uchiha?excessive optimism is not a good character trait
>>290842612Now explain why every village after decided to follow this naming scheme.
>>290842525>>290842540GAAAAAAYYYYYYY
>>290842551>I have now seen your gutsSo is it meant to be some untranslatable japanese expression?
In Minato's one-shot Minato appeared in 31 pages out of 51Also we probably getting a movie adaptation of this one-shot.
You think Sasuke is enjoying this story?
>>290842758Could a byakugan read the stone tablet?
>>290842662Kishi was never the best worldbuilder. Everything always has to revolve around Konoha and the Hokage, other villages are just NPCs. The villages without a kage are even worse, just canon fodder for everyone else
>>290842694why is he so racist?
>>290842786Madara's foot? Appreciated.
>>290842629So did the rest of the village get to decide or create anything at all or is quite literally everything in the setting based on what Hashirama and Madara cooked up 70 years ago?>>290842809It's very annoying to read, not a fan of this flashback.
Skipped text instead only glanced at pictures. Yawn, what a borefest
>>290842816Okay so basically Madara is a dumb little bitch that goes edgy for no reason.
>>290842786>>290842816I know Madara is the big bad but like, does he not realize how dumb he sounds wanting Hashirama to care more about him than Tobirama?But then again, he unlocked 1 tomoe over having to fight Hashi instead of the death of his brothers, so I guess he was always lacking a few screws.
>>290842758>>290842731I know this is told from Hashirama's POV, but it kinda glosses over how much of an asshole Madara was while a part of Konoha like we saw in Ohnoki's flashback. If Hashirama knew about that then I doubt he'd think the village would ever accept him as the second Hokage.
>>290818885What possibly spurred him to renew the dream this long after they had both become clan leaders
>>290842816>>290842839>>290843287>>290843321Arigatou, OP!
>>290842694Tobirama is such a shit stirrer
How many chapters until this flashback ends?
>>290843321Thanks, comfy OP!
>>290842816What a totally mentally sane individual. It's a complete shock nobody trusts him or wanted him to lead.
>>290840770>sasuke?
>>290843321Ty for dump
>>290842816There's something there but Kishi does a horrible job making the falling out believable. Also there's supposedly all this anti-Uchiha sentiment that only ever comes from Tobirama: every Uchiha loves the village and tells Madara fuck off we're not leaving.
>>290842540>damned uchiha, it's not enough to make him kill himself, you try to break his wrist?!
>>290842551>that day, tobirama wasn't present. he drank himself into a stupor in the clans former holdings, alternately crying and vomiting himself to sleep
>>290843964I've never heard of someone vomiting themselves to sleep.
Whoops, Madara was always insane.
>>290842551>hey phil>oh hey, uh, steve>i guess we're not killing each other anymore>nope>hey my brother defected, have you seen him around?>yeah, he's over here>cool. i'm gonna go beat him soundly for my own reasons for like 20 minutes
>>290842551man the uchiha just never wear anything else huh? in battle they just throw some armor or weapons over their robes and they're good to go
I can't decide whether or not Madara being insane from the get go is bad or not.
Not even Madara's own mother was on his side? Was she even alive?
>>290842551Madara is supposed to be Indra but yet him and Sasuke couldn't be further apart. Madara has more in common with Naruto, they literally think the same but yet talk no jutsu there?
>>290842525Would Hashirama tank this if he went through with it?
>>290842551Why do faggots see this beautiful moment of recognizing a brother's true feelings and think it's gay?
>>290842551So fucking gay I hate Kishimoto
>>290844721Yes.
>>290842809One of the worst aspects of part 2
>>290844747>recognizing a brother's true feelingsYou sound gay.
>>290842584I know that Naruto worldbuilding is shit, but how did a land filled with constantly warring clans have a stable government for them to ally with?
>>290844008kage-level feat, he can generate vomit without a body of water nearby.
>>290842662i'd say that comes down to the lands and the lords more than the village. because the land of fire and konoha did it first, a precedent was started and soon a template was set. the others followed suit because that seemed like the proper procedure
>>290842612are there any characters named shimura?
>>290845135Danzo.
>>290842694>Every conflict in the series was caused because Madara overheard Tobirama being racist
>>290842731>It took until the second hokage for the stone carvers to learn to carve hair
>>290842612What a fucking gay name! Fuck you Madara!
>>290842694>>290842710>Tobirama's racism is the reason everything went to shit
I know it took Kishimoto a LOT of restrain to not make the Naras a founding clan of Konoha.
>>290844954I still don't understand what the point of the Daimyo even was, what their function is, who protects them, why they even hold any power
>>290842816tobirama proven right yet again
7 chapters without Naruto....
I just saw kishimoto's cat
>>290845763if Black Zetsu had killed them on his dumb little side mission, would anything have even changed?
>>290845933I know this must be hard on you, Sasuke. But hang in there, we'll see him again soon.
624 chapters of Sakura not being kissed...
>>290845933stinky
Was the childhood flashback really necessary? Why do we need Hashirama and Madara to be childhood friends instead of enemy adults who found a common ground? Why does the foundation of the hidden leaf rests on a pinky promise that a middle schooler made to another middle schooler?It doesn't feel even feel like both of them are actual enemies battling each other. As if they are the same children they used to be, playing a game. Heck, Madara still thinks of it as a game. Tobirama seems to be the only one who is taking this shit seriously.
>>290845933*smooch*
>>290818845>didn't have sharingan when his brothers died>i can't be friends with hashirama anymore aiiee im going insane!This is just clown shit at this point. What happened to experiencing tragedy?
>>290842551So was it ever explained what happened to the Senju clan here? 60 years later the Uchiha are still around but the Senju have mysteriously vanished.
>>290846890>Why does the foundation of the hidden leaf rests on a pinky promise that a middle schooler made to another middle schooler?something something cycle of violence something something ideals being compromised something something how Naruto and Sasuke can be different
>>290842612>>290845161oof, you might want to ask the Shimuras to join another village instead
>>290842497>>290842509>>290842525How could anyone chose Hashirama to be their leader after witnessing this shit?Hashirama was a naive buffoon who'd rather kill himself for the sake of a criminal no one but him cared about. Surely he won't take my vote.
>>290842669Even Madara is tired of Hashirama being his biggest cocksucker
>>290842694>>290842710>>290842731Tobirama once again being the voice of reason
>>290846998Nope. They probably just vanished from relevancy after no one but Hashirama awoke Wood Style compared to the tons of Uchiha awakening Sharingan.
>>290842731Tobirama: Hokage should be elected by voteAlso Tobirama: Hiruzen, since you were the only one who raised your hand you're the next hokage.
>achieve peace and make a village>"oh no some people still don't immediately like me/us">just goes insane instead of realizing that trust between clans is going to take time to happen
>>290842816ngl, they really dodged a bullet not naming that guy hokage
>>290842551>*stinky poopy diarrhea noises*
>>290842594why the fuck would you ever select this asshole
>>290842769>instead of protecting the other Uchiha by not chimping out because everyone (including them) thinks I'm an asshole, I think I'm gonna chimp out
>>290846998They had no real unique traits so they probably just bred with other people or died in battle until the name eventually faded outWe know that the family's gonna die out with Tsunade since she's never gonna get knocked up and she's too damn old too
>>290847400Hiruzen: Not if I have anything to say about it!
>>290842694Hashirama was a fucking pussy. It's not possible to make everyone happy. If he couldn't kill Madara, he should have told Tobirama to fuck off politically.
>>290842589>So, Hashirama didn't have his crazy regen at this point?He could choose not to use it, I guess. Actually I don't think we ever see the real Hashirama using it.
>>290843065Madara is his dindu nothing childhood friend, he would just apologize on his behalf
>>290847588If Tsunade really bred, the child would inherit the Kato name rather than Senju.
>>290842769>>290842816>your racist little brother is almost certainly going to be the next Hokage and expunge my family. None of them believe me however, so I'm going mass-hypnotize the entire worldI feel like we're missing a step in madara's character journey here
>>290847097honestly the Sarutobis too, pass on both.
>>290847600More like he should have told Madara to stop being such a whiny bitch
>>290846890Kishimoto is just not very good at writing male comradery which is why characters like Naruto/Sasuke come off as weirdly gay and obsessed with each other.
>>290847640And Tobirama did it accidentally instead of maliciously kek
>>290842786Madara is being a bitch though
>>290847611If he can choose not to use it then there's no reason for why enemies shouldn't just aim for the head of mokuton users so they can't actively regen.
>>290842816And Tobirama was right.
>>290847728This is some Guts and Griffith shit.
>>290847844yes it's certainly very gay
>>290842710Fuckable little bitch...
>Hashirama and Madara were friends as kids>proceeds to spend the rest of his life bending over backwards and spreading his asshole for this guyI'm surprised that once Hashirama became clan head he didn't just naked dogeza to the Uchiha for the crimes of the Senju and tell Madara that his clan would become Uchiha Vassals
>>290842710Did Madara really hold on that leaf with a hole in it or something?
>>290842758What does the tablet actually say? Is it just a bunch of japanese letters written over each other?
>>290842769>And then I'll name you second Hokage>I suspect Tobirama will become Hokage after youI was under the impression Hashirama gave up the title because he died early or something, but everybody seems to take it as a given that the second Hokage is going to be named extremely soon. Was the Hokage-title originally intended to be a temporary job only with a high turnover rate? What the hell was Sarutobi doing staying in office for 50 years
>>290847588Doesn't this girl have Wood Release in Boruto or some shit? Is she a lab freak experiment like Yamato? Or a Senju descendant?
>>290843065If nothing else this flashback established that Hashirama was an exceptional warrior born with retard strength but a terrible diplomat and judge of character. Tobirama really should've been the first hokage.
>>290848164Kodachi's headcanon, so not really since Ikemoto is the current writer.
>>290847728What do you mean?
>>290847971Control yourself, Madara.
>>290842551I actually really like that Madara changed his mind here.
>>290848258He turned the Uchiha into cops and was surprised when Orochimaru blamed him for them rebelling so he genuinely thought he was being nice to them
>>290844910It was the exact same in part 1 though. EVERYTHING revolved around Konoha.
>>290847640The missing step is that the sharingan canonically gives you rabies.
>>290842694Is Tobirama wrong though? People will choose. If Madara isn't a faggot he'll accept it.
>>290848028I don't think they're real letters.
>>290842786Such a piece of shit reasoning.>I wouldn't choose, but I'd stop any that'd put the village in danger for stupid purposes
>>290848258Tobirama didn't say those things to Madara's face, Madara only got to know that because he was stalking them.
>>290848374>oh nooo we're the village law enforcement we're soo heckin oppressed This plotline was always retarded
>>290822772>>290828619>>290842835>>290845454>>290845602>racismThe Uchiha is a clan, not a race.
>>290842662Not that hard to believe, considering there is only like a dozen of villages (that we know about) and seemingly there are no language barriers. Every modern country on Earth has official flag, anthem and motto.
>>290842694what was tobi alluding to here? forming root?
>>290848842Prejudice between clans is the closest thing to racism within this manga.
>>290847706Comradery is the only thing Kishi writes well.
>>290848058I think Kishimoto himself couldn't decide how the hokage office works. It makes no sense that Tobirama and Hiruzen got to choose their successors Roman emperor style but everyone else has to get approved by the council of old fucks
>>290849055I think he's talking about establishing the uchiha-police-ghetto
>>290818845How many tomoe did obito unlock?
>>290846935Suffering is relative
>>290842594What about madara makes him a leader? He’s a fucking asshole
>>290819083It's hard to conceptualize but I assume they go until exhaustion or till nightfall assuming no one landed a significant blow
>>290818885What even is "the conflict"
>>290849120No he really doesn't despite making 90% of the story about Naruto/Sasuke and their many parallels.
>>290849120It is?
>>290819005Amazing how madaras character is because you really wonder if he would've stopped hashirama from killing tobirama
So in summary, madara got butt hurt that he didn’t get to become hokage and also that his clan thinks he’s a fucking asshole and don’t want to hang around him. So now he’s going to go get him a nine tails and destroy the village so he can put them in an infinite genjustu because tobirama was right.
>>290822206No implication that he forced hashirama that far
>>290823032It is it in their level of society. Genghis khan tier
>>290842497How come hashirama never listened nor seemed to cherish his little brother the same way Madara did
>>290849825He's not into incest
>>290846998Unironically race mixing.
>>290844954>>290845763Kishi tried to make it like one piece where 5 old guys tell everyone what to do. It made sense in one piece even before we knew they had powers. It doesn't make sense here.
>>290847440>>290849336AHEM
>>290842662Because madara sets trends
>>290842710Tobirama upscaled by Hashirama but in reality Hashirama has higher sensory ability
>>290847346That was a very different situation
Am I dumb for thinking that Hashirama and Tobirama weren't originally meant to be brothers, which is why they look so different? It's also why Itama has that retarded haircut
>>290848808It's bad optics though. Like most people harbor some level of aversion to law enforcement. Maybe in a 100% safe society cops are loved nonstop but in a place like the world of Naruto, It's understandable that keeping a clan as the police force for decades will only paint them as dogs of the state. Any insult A honorable citizen uses to describe cops will unconsciously register as an insult to the Uchiha
>>290842769Why was NO ONE willing to stand by the former clan leader?
>>290842816>cooperation is merely a quieter form of conflictWISEDARA
>>290818870Does anyone have the meme pic of this where Tobirama is like "outta my way Uchia shits"
>>290843748Uchiha insanity is based on it's quality not quantity. One insane Uchiha is more than enough to ruin multiple lives
>>290847017>>290847706Kishimoto probably thought that his middle school audiences would relate to this simpleton moral dilemma crap. That's probably why hashi and madara NEED to be children. And konoha needs to be built on the basis of a child's promise.
Big 3 Soon
>>290850254They're all dogs of the state. Konoha is a military base.
>>290850254Police only receives hate due to their own incompetence, because they are corrupt or because they use their power to oppress minorities.How would anyone hate the uchiha unless they were doing a shitty job as cops?
>>290850719An Uchiha knelt on the neck of a valued Kumo ambassador under the influence of Poison Style after he tried paying with counterfeit ryo and from there it was history
>>290851458Unless that's what ultimately led to the war Konoha had with Kumo, there's no reason for anyone in Konoha to care.
>>290851702Kumo Lives Matter became popular among the Shimura party around that time actually
I get what Kishi was going for but he did a very poor job of fleshing it out. Madara gives up on the village as a way to achieve peace because he realizes that no matter how much they try to get along one group will always try to come out on top over the others, and their members will resort to their tribalism when shit hits the fan instead of truly cooperating. By forcing eachother to cooperate they're just prolonging the inevitable. So Madara says fuck that and wants to achieve true peace in his own way instead of believing in puppies and rainbows like Hashirama. That's my interpretation of what was set up here anyways. Not a bad idea but again it's not written well enough
>>290850370well... yeah. diplomacy and politics are all about controlling power and making sure no one gets retarded while being under the impression there's equality when it's really one or two who actually matter. madara simply prefers to fight than sit at parlament because his mouth is not as good as his eyes
>>290842669>that "i killed your brother and should've killed his brother" look
>>290850413>One insane Uchiha is more than enough to ruin multiple livesNot all Uchiha,But always an Uchiha.
>>290843748Headcanon obviously but I think a good reason the Uchihas decided to distrust Madara is because he was the one who put them up to allying with the Senju in the first place, which many of them went along with probably reluctantly, and now that a period of peace was finally reached after a long time of fighting and losing their brethren he comes in and says welp screw this we gotta bail. They decide to tell him to fuck off and give this village project a chance because they're tired of further conflict more than anything and want to settle on something longterm for once
>>290842694>even the uchiha don't want representation from their own>would i lie to you, brother?>me, your number one eye stabber?
>>290843748Yeah, we don't even see anyone dissing the Uchiha during the whole police force era either. We're just told "uhhh they were hated because they're law enforcement" but we're never shown anything. All we get is the coup plotline during Itachi's flashback.Really feels like Madara got pissy that Tobirama shit talked him behind his back and sperged out (which in turn made things WORSE for the Uchiha)
>>290847258he never tried uniting the village in good faith, he just wanted the appearance of it to control the regulation of the clans. his reason is he's a wardog piece of shit
>>290850172yeah the situation was "good for me and not for thee, uchiha loving brother of mine"
>>290848169tobi should've been watched be his brother 24/7 for his jingoism
>>290852225Headcanon.
If anything they should have reached a consensus to let someone from those less relevant third party clans to be the first Hokage in order to have neutrality while they're still trying to build a system that works
>>290822302El hermano de Hashirama...
>>290846998it's a village of ~16000, maybe the senjus are all bootllickers and washouts now, or at least no longer plot relevant
>>290851810Trying a little too hard there buddy.
Why are both Hashirama and Madara so ridiculously strong?
>>290851458they should have knelt on the pale kumo necks, they're the only ones evidenced in panel of kidnapping anyone
>>290852322he deliberately created a section of town just for them and a job that alienates themhe made a secret police that can spy on anyone, kill with impunity and reports to an independent agent with little to no oversighthe harbored prejudice and hate towards his clan's oldest nominal allies literally beyond his dying breathhe specifically denied his brother appointing the representation he wanted claiming it most be solely democratic and then on his own suicidal stand militarily deputized his own underling with no oversight or regulationhe's a piece of shit, and you're in denial or reveling in the hypocrisy
>>290842584>village just built>already has electricity and air conditioning
>>29085266590% of what you spouted is not shown in the manga.
>>290842612The whole point of joining their clans was so no one could match them, leading to peace.I'm not sure if there's a point to let someone whose guts Madara hasn't seen join, seems like strife waiting to happen
>>290852863That would have been a more interesting reason for Madara to rebel
>>290842758>when DARKNESS (me) and LIGHT (you) work together, good shit will happen>however, that's complete bullshit, I'm just going to be an edgy psychopath instead, later fag
>>290842731>they fell for the democracy meme
>>290852665>he deliberately created a section of town just for them and a job that alienates themAll he did was make them cops. And also Danzo made Root, not Tobirama. You sound like an extremely retarded redittor.
>>290842694>Fights for DEMOCRACY THAT'S MY HOKAGE
>Three Hokage were Senju>One was a Sarutobi>The Hokage that isn't related to the Senju is married to a Uzumaki The power of democracy...
>>290853664Silence UCHIHA
>>290853664It goes deeper than that. >Hiruzen was in Tobirama's squad>Tsunade was in Hiruzen's squad >Minato was in Jiraya's squad >Kakashi was in Minato's squad >Naruto was in Kakashi's squad.Shikamaru is the only person that isn't related to that at all
>>290850225>Am I dumb for thinking that Hashirama and Tobirama weren't originally meant to be brothers, which is why they look so different? It's also why Itama has that retarded haircutHiruzen called them brothers in their first appearance. It wasn't entirely clear then if he meant they were brothers, or whether he was calling them HIS "brothers" as fellow Hokages, but seeing as how the databooks and manga later confirmed the former it was probably intended all along.
>>290853899Well, Shikamaru was Naruto's right hand man and student of Hiruzen's son.
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>>290853899Shikamaru being Hokage is so dumb, logically Kakashi would take the position again. He's not even old yet.
>>290850600>Bleach got replaced by a better-written, less bullshit robes+katanas+hierarchical organization seriesSad. Deserved, but sad.
>>290854002I followed the KnY manga until it ended and by now I've forgotten what it was even about. It had to do with vampire oni I guess? Either way not very memorable.
>>290853962>student of Hiruzen's son>wife is Kazekage's sister>is famous for being intelligent not really
Hokage is just one big line of nepotism. The elders need to be executed
>>290848842You know what I mean. In the case of Uchiha, they have specific genetics traits. Even her tendency of chimping out is hereditary.
>>290854267All of them except Danzo. He seems like a stand up guy.
>>290853827Why is Tobirama's design so evil?
>>290854302Racist looksmaxing
goodnight, funnycomfy. see you again tomorrow!
>>290854284That's still not racism.
Look at Kishi's cat
Eradicate Naruto off /a/
>>290853827Tobirama will always be one of those gems of a character this manga produced
>>290852202Ironic*Palpatine.jpeg*
>>290850719You're assuming most people take accountability when busted for a speeding violation or other minor interactions most people have with cops. The cops are authority and will always be a bit disliked. One might even say they also look emasculated compared to the Shinobi who can go on missions and seemingly have more freedom
>>290850600Naruto ended in 2014. Let it go.
>>290855905YES MY LOVE
>>290855352Wish granted. Shart general has been eradicated and replaced.
Dead daily.
>>290850600>filler movie>live action>canon movie
>>290843121i guess this could make sense BEFORE the awful itachi retcon.
Wow OP. You're still very pathetic. Truly. Pathetic.
>>290843321thanks op.
Wan Piss is shit
>>290856413Pathetic
>>290820552>I find myself reading it almost out of a sense of obligationFuck you're retarded. Go watch something else
