Volume 66The New threeChapter 636: The Current Obitohttps://desuarchive.org/a/thread/274143504Previous thread:>>291078873
>>291113330Rin looks really pretty here
B&W
>>291113144>ackshually it was a genjutsufuck off
>>291113174Holding back 90% of his abilities just to pretend to have an even fight with Kakashikek
>>291112022>ninja magic is a wildcard that can easily nullify the realworld biological differences between men and women, children and adults, the elderly/infirm and the healthy, and so on. No. The other anon is right. It's heavily implied that jutsu ability is tied to male things like stamina and training. It's unrealistic enough that women are as strong as they are in this manga. Any more and we would enter straight girl boss territory
>>291113156>>291113174>>291113191>>291113205>>291113217>>291113234>anime randomly locks in for this specific fight and makes it one of the best in the seriesNot complaining, just think the priority is weird.
>>291113472Tsunade, Mei, and Sakura would demolish any character in the series who isn't blessed by the literal god of shinobi or Guy.
>>291113477It's a rare fight that's actually grounded and doesn't rely on magic nukes flying everywhere.In retrospect this fight doesn't matter that much but I am thankful they did it like they did regardless.
>>291113277>>291113267Kekbito is such a bad fighter without cheats.
>>291113515All 3 of them get stomped by Prime Hiruzen
>>291113330Not doing for Rin btw.
>>291113131>>291113144Never understood what the point of this scene was, genjutsu is usually used to shock the audience to believe something incredibly gory happened then reveal it was all fake but here the exact same thing happen later in the fight >>291113267. It feels more like a prediction of the future than a actual illusion.
>>291113472>male things like stamina and training.Retard
Done!
>>291113642Thanks, comfy OP!
>>291113589So does everyone, GODzen is the Shinobi god, remember that.
>>291113477The animation's shading looked really off and weird for some reason.
>>291113348>>291113365>>291113626>>291113642Arigatou, OP!
>>291113636Tranny
>>291113286>>291113311I don't get it, didn't he already get a hole in his chest earlier and it didn't affect him at all? Why is it different now?
>>291113701>I don't get it, didn't he already get a hole in his chest earlier and it didn't affect him at all? Why is it different now?That was just genjutsu.
>>291113718Oh, that's lame. I thought that was just more Zetsu cells bs.
>>291113698Women famously have no stamina nor exercise.
>>291113672That's a problem with the entirety of shippuden. The color is crap too
>>291113477It's an extended hand to hand sequence, so they could pull out their Bruce Lee dvds or whatever they had for reference that day
>>291113595Was literally gonna post this
>>291113477Yeah it was sick. To any anons that haven't watched it, go check it out on Youtube.
>>291113311>>291113330Wtf even is that? Is he being taken over by black Zetsu?
>>291113780Certainly not on the same level as men. There's a reason they are not fighting wars
Boruto last chapter was shit.Peak was when Himawari was Kurama´s jinchuuriki.
>>291113604The point is that Obito isolated and then planted subliminal message for Kakashi to destroy the puppet seal on his heart while faking the entire fight, as is revealed in the future chapter.
>>291113922The stamina difference between men and women is too insignificant when comparing human men to every other species that Kishimoto has allowed to be competent shinobi within this manga.Also, women aren't forced to go to war more so because their upper bodies specifically are way weaker than men's, not because of stamina.
>>291113962It came out? Was there a thread for it?
>>291113205>>291113217>>291113234>Kakashi is fighting the guy he considered his best friend and thought was dead for 20 years>He can't help but constantly go "NARUTONARUTONARUTONARUTONARUTONARUTONARUTONARUTO" throughout their fightI really fucking hate the "main character" syndrome this story has developed since the Kazekage Rescue arc.
>>291114162>when comparing human men to every other species that Kishimoto has allowed to be competent shinobi within this manga.>Other speciesLike?>Also, women aren't forced to go to war more so because their upper bodies specifically are way weaker than men's, not because of stamina.This is a physical battle story. Women's weaknesses should matter unless we are going girl boss route. It's not like they are sorcerers wherein these differences may matter less. Though if magic did exist in the real world women would be jobbers at that too.
>>291113672It's really smooth and looks good when it cuts back to their childhood sparring but the adult part was kind of a mixed bag with the quality, got kind of choppy at times
How would you fix Obito's character while keeping him as a villian?>1. Obito is not a part of Kakashi's genin squad but they knew each other since childhood and become comrades as adults. >2. Rin doesn't exist. (Obviously)>3. Obito dies as an adultKakashi may get his sharingan from Obito but maybe from some other past mysterious event or experiment. EOTM does not happen of course because it's retarded. But I still can't decide how Obito would be integrated into the Akatsuki plotline. He is not the founder or the thread pulled, but then what is he doing there and why is he faking his death
>>291114189Who cares?
>>291114809You? (you replied)
>>291114386>Like?Snakes, frogs, slugs, Dogs, weasels, monkeys, etc.>Women's weaknesses should matterBut the obvious physical different between human men and giant animals shouldn't?
>>291113654I enjoy seeing how pathetic you are every thread. Thank you.
Want to start my theory about Kishi pushing Narusaku but then deciding on naruhina. But im lazy
>>291114386>It's not like they are sorcerersAnon...>>291114809I did? Which is why I asked.
>>291114852None of those animals mentioned were shinobi. In most cases they ARE the Jutsu. Ironically women would be shit at summoning animals too because of low stamina
>>291114909>TheoryKishi literally said he tested waters with NaruSaku.
>>291114943Anon, a bunch of summonins are considered shinobis.And even if they weren't, by or own logic, being able to summon a giant animal or having a bijuu should be an instant win regardless of gender.
>>291113144Is this better or worse than doppleganger gotchas?
>>291114730Oh right. I just remembered that Tobi is revealed to be Madara and I don't want to change that. So I guess Obito really has no purpose for existing. Unless...Madara is truly and utterly dead with no hope of revival in this story and Obito is larping as him for some goal that has nothing to do with Madara. (It's still shit but maybe less shit than what we got)
>>291114730Good alt it that he is truly nobody. He's not connected to anyone important. He might not even be an Uchiha. He took the Sharingan from Obito's corpse and used it to pretend to be Madara.He's just a shinobi who has suffered due to the current system and wars going on in the world. When his mask breaks Kakashi has a feeling it could be Obito behind the mask but it's actually a person nobody recognizes. We might get some hints as to his past but it's really not important.Aside from that I would stray away from making him a shadow leader of the Akatsuki and make the Rinnegan truly Nagato's mutation. Oh and he never meets Madara. He just larps as him.
>>291114943Anon...women have (slightly) more stamina than men, their bodies contains more fat than muscle when compared to us, which means they have more stored energy.Same way you can't out punch a chimp or a gorilla but you could probably outlast them in a race (this is how cavemen used to hunt).
>>291113642Thanks OP.
>>291114998>being able to summon a giant animal or having a bijuu should be an instant win regardless of gender.Except it isn't "regardless" of gender. Women are inherently physically weaker so their summons should be weaker too.
>>291113217>>291113234>I will protect Naruto's will by doing the exact opposite of what he would doHow is Kakashi not seeing the hypocrisy?
>>291113277DON'T TAKE THE ROD OUT OF THE WOUND, YOU MORON
>Cacashi chapter Yawn
>>291115096Except that's clearly not how summoning works.You wanna cry about Temari's weasel cutting down that forrest now?
>>291115090women are only good for fucking and cooking, some of them are good at cleaning too.
>>291115079I was talking about Obito not Tobi. Though this alt is good. Maybe Tobi should never have been unmasked.>Aside from that I would stray away from making him a shadow leader of the Akatsuki and make the Rinnegan truly Nagato's mutation. Oh and he never meets Madara. He just larps as him.Agreed. I was going the same route but with actual Obito. >>291115060I was thinking if any of this could be tied to the Uchiha massacre. When psychopath prodigy Itachi 1 v all's his entire clan to ensure that he is the only one with the sharingan and to test how strong he really is. Maybe unidentified-Tobi could be a survivor. Or maybe it's just Obito who somehow survived and later found out about the massacre when he returned to leaf
>>291115186It's fine Anon. He's not named Kakashi of 1000 Jutsu for nothing. He's gonna heal the wound using one of many medical jutsu's at his disposal
>>291115268>copy ninja>raikiri and kamui merchant
>>291115229Except it literally does. Naruto summons a bigger frog just because he uses fox chakra reserves. So unless women shinobi have spare jinchuriki lying around they would be cucked by their inherent weakness.>You wanna cry about Temari's weasel cutting down that forrest now?Do we really know if men would dow worse?
>>291115234Alright Kishimoto, whatever you say.
>>291113642thanks for the funnycomfy!
>>291115332Giant summons stopped needing to have bijuu levels of chakra reserves when Chakraletsuke was able to summon several of them.
>>291115079>>291115264Also why have Rinnegan as a mutation at all? I would straight up make Nagato the prophesised re-incarnation of 6 paths. The tragedy of Pain's arc should be that Jiraya was right the first time.
>>291115234ok
>>291113477best fight and great song too
Sakura's punches are canonically stronger than Naruto's btw.
So cool
>>291115504Naruto is nothing without his fox
>>291115430Chakra itself becomes irrelevant by that point. But if you are basing your theory, that jutsu doesn't require strenght or skill on this premise, then there is really no way to scale the shinobi. Of course women would equal men in a world where even Konohamaru could stand upto Sasuke if he flicks his magic sword and chants the right spell.
>>291115264>I was talking about Obito not TobiSorry for that. Then I will just throw out my Obito suggestion. Obito after getting crushed is in a coma, being operated by Black Zetsu. Basically nothing changes but we skip Obito's laughable motivations and make him a prisoner who can be saved and brought back. I like it because it keeps things simple without an overcomplicated backstory. What would thematically happen is that it is Kakashi who takes the bone arrow for Obito instead to give him a chance at a better life. Obito using Susano would have been really cool.
>>291115572He’s like the reincarnation of Ishmael or whatever
>>291115572Most of the characters are nothing without their either God gifted or circumstantially gifted powers. Very, very few characters actually just made it on their own.
>>291114730The only issue with EOTM is that in the way it is presented there's literally no downside. >inb4 but muh humanity!!!Who give a fuck when you can literally experience several lifetimes of whatever you imagine to be a perfect lifeThere's also nothing wrong with Obito losing his shit over Rin's death. Just make her his girlfriend and make the village responsible for her death. Maybe they decided she's the most fitting candidate for 3 tails but they fuck up the sealing process and she dies. Obito gets disillusioned and leaves the village to join Akatsuki because Madara promises him a better life. If you do not want Rin or EOTM then it's much easier to just leave Obito dead. Just change it so he is actually best friends with Kakashi and he dies when they are both of age
>>291115724So kiba tier
>>291115745I don't care about your explanation, I wanted to shit on Naruto and I did.
>>291115592>Of course women would equal men in a world where even Konohamaru could stand upto Sasuke if he flicks his magic sword and chants the right spell.Sasuke and Lee were stronger than adult men as pre-teens.
>>291115778Fair enough. He's a shit character.
>>291115812Naruto was stronger than a chunin in the very first chapter.
>>291113365uoohh ino feet lick
>>291115724So is Kiba but he doesn't have a fox demon inside of him
>>291113144HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>291113144>Looks like I can't find anything that will change you>I mean all I've tried since we came here was violently attacking you and showing you through genjutsu that I would jam a chidori through your chest (just like I did to the girl you liked!) at the first opportunity>YOU ARE BEYOND SAVING TOBITO, NOW DIE
>>291113156>rin's smile
>>291115186isn't that a rinnegan rod that messes with you if you keep it in your body for too long?
>>291115747>>inb4 but muh humanity!!!>Who give a fuck when you can literally experience several lifetimes of whatever you imagine to be a perfect lifeAt that point you might as well just end humanity as a whole and the end result of everlasting peace would be the same. What's the point in Madara or Obito making the current people forever live in their own paradise world when they're already killing thousands, none of the people really want to participate, and Madara's brother and Rin are already gone? You'd have to be an utter retard to think there's "nothing wrong" with EOTM.
>>291113911yep
>>291115747>literally no downsideFirst of all it's not real and that by itself should deter a smarter person like Obito or Madara. Secondly, they force people into it. Remember the "peace" they are trying to achieve is not the peace of the perfect dream world. It's the peace in the real world where everyone is....asleepTHIS is Obito and Madara's RETARDED idea of peace. Just make everyone dreamy sleep lol and they'll stop fighting and killing. It's so ludicrous that it takes all air out of both these excuses for characters. >There's also nothing wrong with Obito losing his shit over Rin's death.Besides the fact that it reveals Obito as a selective wimp who chimped out over some crush. There's no way his character can maintain any izzat after this. The only upside here is that it makes his inclination for EOTM make a bit more sense than Madara's. Nobody really knows why Madara is doing this. >If you do not want Rin or EOTM then it's much easier to just leave Obito dead. Yeah that's an option but I still want to see how a non retarded Obito would look like in this story. Especially as a villian
Hiashi won.
>>291113330>"This is not about Rin, Kakashi."
>>291113330You’d think Obito had an extremely traumatic and particularly tragic childhood to become so attached to Rin and not think/give a fuck about anyone else.
would
>>291116584The point is that before humanity dies they get to experience whatever life they prefer without senseless suffering. Thousands die a gruesome death, millions more will follow the suit without EOTM. That's the difference: the lack of meaning and suffering. Madara's brother and Rin being dead is completely irrelevant to the goal Madara and Obito strive to achieve which is piece and cessation of suffering>>291116827>Muh realzzzYou don't have any proof that the life you are currently leaving isn't a life of illusion. You are also forced to live this life just like you would be forced to live your dream live the only difference is that you also get to suffer senselessly. There will be always people and powers imposing their decisions on you. Yes, Madara forces humanity to fall asleep, but in their dreams they would live their perfect lives each in accordance to their own wishes and values completely avoiding stepping on each other toes. That's literally the single most effective and real solution to the problem presented. The idea isn't retarded. You are retarded because you are so hung up on realz and feelz to see reason.>chimped out over some crushWhat is a good reason to chimp out, retard? The death of the person you love at the hands of your best friend isn't a good enough reason, according to some neither is the death of your whole clan at the hands of your brother, was Yahiko dying a good reason for Pain's chimp out? Why did Guts chimp out it's just a bunch of mercs who promised their lives to Griffith got sacrificed and a little bit of rapey of his girlfriend got?>Why did Madara?Did you even read the manga you are discussing? His brother died and then when he joined hands with Senju he realized that no matter what there will always be victors and mistrust and disparity. He understood that the piece they achieved is limited in both time and space so he found a better solution
>>291113330Couldn't Madara have used White Zetsu for Rinne Rebirth this entire time? Just give him the Rinnegan and pump him with chakra from the Gedo Statue.
>>291115332so, someone with bigger chakra reserves can do more than someone with lesser?
>>291117831there is no reason for Madara to have given a shit about Obito at all.
>>291116827their plan is to plug everyone into the ninja matrix.
>>291117750>hurr durr why don't we just turn off the suffering and have everyone live in a dream?Because then humanity dies out because no one lives in the reality that results in actually progressing the species. If you're just saying "humanity deserves to die, that'll end suffering!", then say that. But make no mistake that you are, in your own way, gently yet forcibly escorting humanity to extinction. If that's what you want, why not summon a series of meteors to blow up the planet, instantaneously killing everyone? Then suffering ceases to exist!
>>291113267never knew that the lightning clone, obito pulling back his young self were all anime only
>>291113330Pretty Rin
Rin is cute
>>291117655I've tried to justify it by saying Rin was more symbolic for him. The picture, the idea of a pretty, nice, kind, gentle girl getting used as a weapon, thrown around, and torn to shreds by the Shinobi world is what hurt him more. Yes, he obviously cared deeply for her, but countless others have died around Obito. There have been droves of soldiers that died, that was the world they lived in, and as Shinobi that's what you sorta expect.But to see her die FOR the village, knowing it was beyond just some enemy overpowering them and beating them, that's what pushed him over the edge. That she willingly chose to, for all intents and purposes, kill herself. And that it was then viewed as some noble self sacrifice. That we should cheer what she did. That it was a good thing, that's what made him so spiteful.I'm really trying to make this not as retarded as it is. And in all honesty I don't know why. It's just dogshit.
>>291118586That's haku
Waaa waaaa were was my chappy dump waaaa i was forgotten no one dumped my chapter waaaaaaaaaa
>>291113311damn madara's cold, I thought he'd at least have a tiny bit of love for obito as an ally but nah, he's just a 'that' that he has no use for
>>291118786Why would he? He used him as a tool from the very beginning. Once Madara is reborn, his usefulness ends.
>>291118754>AI shart
>>291118720He IS right though; Rin is a cute.And so is Haku.
>>291118825He pretends to care about people's suffering sometimes, because that's supposed to be his motivation.
So what? Their taijutsu hasn't gotten any better than when they were kids?
>>291118754Dump it here I allow you
>>291118825true, but they're still allies that are following the same dream. it's another moment that shows what a scum bag madara isthough I guess obito would fuck madara over just the same if the situation were reversed, especially considering he organised rin's death
How would Sasuke have reacted if someone told him Naruto already died when he arrived on the battlefield?
>>291113472>men being able to fly, shoot fire, control the elements and fight kaijus is "realistic">But woman doing the same thing isn'tsure, whatever Kishi.
>>291119023he'd probably punch sakura in the face
if you believe it,you can be somebody,you can be somebody,if you believe it,if you believe it,you can be somebody,you can be somebody,if you believe it,BELIEEEEEEEEVE IT,BELIEEEEEEEEVE IT,NARUTO,NARUTO,NARUTO,NARUTO,BELIEEEEEEEEVE IT,BELIEEEEEE E E EVE IT T T,yeah i have a ninja clan,ninja clan,yeah we stand,naruuto i'm on my way,naruuto i'll be okay,getting ready to fight on sight,come, my best friends by my side,suh-soo-kay is really cool,sakura the beautiful,the great jenin,the great jenin,the ninja fightasare comin' in,if you believe it,you can be somebody,you can be somebody,if you believe it,if you believe it,you can be somebody,you can be somebody,if you believe it,in the village hidden in the leaves,to become hokage you better believe,naruuto the chosen one,naruuto comin' up strong,ninjas waitin' for the duel,to win or die the world's so cruel,don't stop you movin' on,don't stop you got to run,the great chuunin,the great chuunin,the ninja fightas,are comin' in,kowakaru na naruto chikyu o mamore,kowakaru na naruto chikyu o mamore,BELIEEEEEEEEVE IT,BELIEEEEEEEEVE IT,NARUTO,NARUTO,NARUTO,NARUTO,BELIEEEEEEEEVE IT,BELIEEEEEE E E EVE IT T T,
Why didn't the other jinchuriki just fight for their friends and try a little harder? Are they stupid?
Boring ahh chapter
>>291113472shouldn't you be getting straddled by some woman somewhere, shikamaru?
>>291119172most of them had no support group and had broadly the same level of control over their power as part 1 Naruto. the only competent ones were Yugito, Han, and Bee. Roshi was skilled by himself but wasn't good with the 4 tails powers.
funny thread. comfy thread. funnycomfy.
>>291119385Kek>>291114859
what's the most underrated part of naruto and what's the most overrated part?
>>291119408>underratedA lot of people have the opinion that the Tsunade Search arc is bad, but I think it's pretty good. >overratedPain arc, definitely.
>>291119023Smrik
>>291118754Who?
>>291119180Boring chapter for a boring general
Borinhhh chaptehhh fohhh ahh borighhh generahhh
>>291119574You seem bothered
>>291117750>That's literally the single most effective and real solution to the problem presented. >Just put up everyone on permanent sleep IV drip bro. Humanity go nighty nighty will solve all wars bro. I'm sorry I can't take this seriously anymore. I'm just going to mock it for the joke it is. Though it's hilarious how EOTM is so stupid that it does not just make Obito/Madara sound like insane retards, it has the same affect on anyone who defends this shit. One can't defend EOTM without sounding like an edgy stupid 12 year old.>The death of the person you love at the hands of your best friend isn't a good enough reason, Happened to many. None of them went full retard with the "I am going to erase reality" bs. The fact that Obito reacted to it that way outs him as an INSANE RETARD. We don't see Kakashi doing this shit even though he lost Rin, Obito AND his dad. >according to some neither is the death of your whole clan at the hands of your brother, was Yahiko dying a good reason for Pain's chimp out?Nagato and even Sasuke have been far more reasonable than Obito ever was. Their characters are still miles ahead (despite having HUGE flaws) simply because neither sided with the EOTM. Don't even try to make that comparision. >Why did Guts chimp out it's just a bunch of mercs who promised their lives to Griffith got sacrificed and a little bit of rapey of his girlfriend got?1. He did not conclude that reality should be re-written.2. The entire second arc is about Guts moving on from pure rage. Even Guts' pure feels based blind outrage make more sense than Obito's pseudo-stoic faux-logical solution to humanity's pain. Guts may be angry and emotional but he's not retarded.
>>291117750>He understood that the piece they achieved is limited in both time and space so he found a better solutionAnd then he went for EOTM which does not follow as a logical or reasonable counter to the questions being asked here owing to how utterly retarded it is. Thus ruining him as a character. Turns out he was just another insane retard who wanted humanity to go nighty nighty. Because no sane man would start with the premise of Madara's experiences and end up with "everyone go nighty nighty weeeee" as the conclusion.
funny chapter for a comfy daily
>>291119616Youhhh seehhh bothreehhh
>>291119450i think the tsunade arc takes a slower pace and isn't as unpredictable as prior arcs and that's why people don't like it as much. but i also thought it was fine and fun enough.i agree with the pain arc being overrated.
>>291119261Yugito (and Han I guess) should've survived....
>>291119810Yeah, people love it because of Naruto's entrance.
>>291119774>>291119794You okay? Lol
then we have things like the chuunin exams where it's understandable for me why it's highly regarded but also overrated in how people ignore the flaws.still my favorite part too though, of course. lmao.
>>291119831Youhh okahhh? Lohhhh
>>291119023>*Sasuke bouncing on Naruto's penis* usuratonkachi.. still ...warm...
>>291118586You can NEVER convince me Kishi isn’t a closeted homo or isnt atleast into yapi hardcore. Just fucking look at Haku. Theres so many gay ass relationships between the male characters as well.
>>291119261Fuu and Yagura could turn into bijuu mode.
The word comfy still bothers him, huh
>the aids have finally broke him
>>291119999>FuuHuh?
>>291120096She did when Obito controlled her.
>>291120141They all did when Obito controlled them, because the eyes allowed them to do it or something.
>>291119931
Idk. Naruto looks like he he was drawn by bara artist.
>>291120052You seem especially bored today.
>>291118720Dumb poo-poo head
>>291119729 (samefag)It's not that I necessarily dislike villians who are wrong about everything and do bad things because they are insane or retarded. But Obito and Madara are presented to us as these intelligent and empathetic dudes and the story plays it as if their motivations are relatable or sensible. With at least of them getting redeemed in the end. But their entire schtick amounts to "let's have everyone take permanent sleepy pills to stop wars and the goody goody dreams come for free ig". With Obito you kind of get it. He was never working on all four horses and Rin's death made this loser go full cuckoo. Though that is jarring against the master manipulator that Tobi was. Madara just makes no sense. He snaps in a more silent way. I guess we should have known he was a mental case too when he asked Hashirama to kill his own brother or himself. Tobirama was ultimately right about him. Imagine your country's president being the kind of guy who thinks putting everyone to permanent sleep is the solution to wars.
>>291119408>UnderratedJirobo himself, not necessarily because he has Shakespearian depth or that he's secretly an amazing character, but his insecurities and projection towards Choji are a little too much for a character less popular Izumo and Kotetsu.>OverratedSasuke vs Itachi is kinda shit for what it's supposed to be.
>>291120052Which manga is this?>>291120156Kishimoto, that's fucking bullshit.
>>291118754Can't you hear. I. SAID. POST. IT. HERE.
>>291120293It's bullshit, but it's directly stated that way, unfortunately.
>>291120319Did i speedread that? When was that stated?
>>291113267I always hated that Kakashi was holding a kunai for this attack. Feel like it would have been more impactful if he just used his normal iconic raikari with his thrust. Maybe have obito knock the kunai or break it similar to how that stone Shinobi broke his sword during pic related before using his hand instead to do the standard raikari. Would have been pottery
Thank you daily kages. Especially daily ramen
>>291120336>their ocular powers are enhancing their jinchuriki abilities
>>291115472My headcanon Sakura actually pay her gratitude to Naruto for staying by her side by giving her body as a gift to him for his 18th birthday. She personally book an inn in a faraway resort and had Naruto rail her in all manner of sexual act until he was satisfied for one week.
>>291120475That could like, literally mean anything.
>>291120501Yeah, but since we see them all transforming, it seems most logical those things go together. Kisame mentioned nothing about Roshi being able to transform after fighting him.
>>291120528...Why would he?
>>291119823Fuu wishes she were that big
>>291120272tbf, izumi/kotetsu/hayate/genma all have meme popularity from being "those 2 guys from naruto but not the other 2 guys from naruto".
>>291119408>UnderratedNeji vs spider boy fight. Now that was an insane match up and Neji survived through the skin of his balls. >Overated5K summit. This one doesn't get the hate it deserves. Naruto is at his gayest, jobber samurai, sakura's confession, primary school tier politics and nothing happens until Sasuke arrives at the scene
>>291120666Izumi and Kotetsu benefit from Tsunade shipping them.
>>291120729You think she masturbated to the thought of them kissing that day?
>>291119858What flaws do you think the chunin exams arc has? For me, it would be>everything about the Hyuga affair (probably the dumbest plot point in all of part 1)>every moment Sakura is relevant to a scene>how the whole subplot with Dosu goes nowhere because of how he dies
>>291120694Also cloud ninja that nobody asked for
>>291120636Because he talked about his abilities that gave him trouble. >>291120649I recently checked the bmi's of most Kunoichi (pls don't put me on some list) and most were around 17.5, with Konan and Anko noticably lower, while Tsunade, Samui and for some reason Fuu were noticably above at roughly 18.5.
>>291113277This dude is Kage tier?
>>291120947a lot of men don't know how much a woman is supposed to weigh for a given body type because women lie about their weight constantly. a chick built like Tsunade will try and claim she weighs 105 when she should be closer to 130.
>>291120947How canon is that bmi list? Most official art always Fuu as being really flat chested.
>>291121027The height and weight values are from the databooks, which are kind of questionable in terms of being canon, since there's some ages and stuff that doesn't really work out.
Unpopular take, but I really liked this flashback fight being a parallel to their adult fight
>>291113595Rin's face is an easier shorthand than "THIS WORLD IS CRUEL AND FLAWED"
>>291120378Your bait is amusing because it exposes how obsessed and pathetic you are lol
>>291121015His main ability is completely nullified in that space. Also he threw the fight.
>>291113472Why are you trying to force this conversation after getting btfo'd last thread?
>>291113566Shouldn't Hashirama be questioning why he has the Rinnegan.
Back to tumbleweeds!translator note: tumbleweeds means funnycomfy
>>291120052How is/was the Rave Master storytime? I haven't read it since high school after being a fan of the dubbed anime as a kid, but I ended up coming out of the manga hating it.
>>291120729>tsunade is a fujo
>>291121990Don't respond to the pedo faggot.
>>291122078But I thought everyone was OP?
>>291122131No. I'm Sakon anyway but he didn't even notice.
Boring thread
>>291119408>overratedi find naruto vs sasuke (last battle) kinda overrated. i get it's the finale of naruto and saved us from kaguya being the final antagonist, but it's not really noteworthy otherwise.doesn't help that it hinges on naruto and sasuke's barely present friendship. naruto just idolized sasuke because he was the first kid his age to be nice to him and that's all there really is to it. he "saved him from his loneliness".and i've mentioned the pain arc enough so i'll stop beating the dead horse.shikamaru vs hidan is also kinda overrated because the fight makes no sense. shikamaru just gets a cool line at the end.most the side characters are kinda overrated because they get sidelined after their one or two cool moments. and some don't even get cool moments.gaara is kinda overrated because he barely felt like a character after becoming a good guy.dosu is possibly the most overrated "potential man" with people thinking he could've been great/interesting even though we barely get to see him do anything.>underratednaruto in part 1. he's actually entertaining and cool, especially in his gaara fight. i get he's a bratty (and innocent yet prankster) child and people find him annoying throughout the series, but i liked him in part 1. i only thought he was annoying in part 2 because he just obsesses over sasuke most the time.i miss his energy from the gaara fight. naruto tells gaara he'll kill him if he hurts his friends. now look at war arc naruto thanking nagato for teaching him about pain and killing his grandpa stand-in teacher. naruto grew up i guess? and that means having to forgive everyone so you can end the cycle of hatred and ends all wars. even though that's not even why every conflict started. suna attacked konoha during the exams because of economical reasons and their own daimyo screwed them. and ninja were just supposed to go on dangerous missions on the regular regardless of people's feelings and this whole cycle of hatred thing.
>>291122214I'm sorry...
>>291122422Too many words
almost comfy
>>291122422Idiot
>>291122457Bit too active for comfy
>>291122422>dosu is possibly the most overrated "potential man" with people thinking he could've been great/interesting even though we barely get to see him do anything.I don't think anyone wanted him to be a main character unless you're into true potential just that he would get something better than dying in a dumb way.
>>291122645>Hinata: alive>KEKgato: DeadHinata won
>>291122422I don't think many people rate Shikamaru vs Hidan that high to begin with tbqh
>>291121582Nice headcanon you got there. I guess delusion is the solution to utter defeat
>>291122706Nta, it's definitely not everyone's favorite arc or fight but it's usually treated as "one of the good ones".
>>291122710You know the previous thread is linked k. The OP, right?
>>291122710Where's your victory?
>>291122734>>291122735This is just sad to watch. I did not come to this thread for this pathetic display
What did you guys think of the new Boruto chapter?
>>291122723Where? It's ridiculed here all the time.
>>291122779Too many words
>>291122779Who?
>>291122770>for this pathetic displayUh, you do know youre in the daily naruto general?
>>291122668he did die in a dumb way but i don't get this thing of him having "potential" like people say. they say he could've been an interesting villain or something. and that's all you can really say because he doesn't do much. like how would he have been interesting if he didn't stupidly job to gaara? what would he have gotten to do for the story? betray orochimaru i guess? then what? what does this do? does this obstruct orochimaru in any way?>>291122706it gets praise because shikamaru does something cool.
>>291122645>Wow, the reactions from international fans to this are fucking hilarious.Ok, I love this artist already
>>291122824I'm talking about the overall fanbase and not in here.
>>291122645>Pain: "This is where you belong" *puts Hinata in a trash can*
>>291122770You think bringing up some finished discussion from the last thread and then go all "Kishimoto is actually not le chuddy enough, amirite fellow channers?" is some honorable display of coolness?
>>291114189Yeah but tumbleweeds per usual
>>291123207I only remember the spoiler thread, not if there was an actually dump.
>>291123040It's a shitty fight. I don't believe you.
>>291123268You really think the majority of the Naruto fanbase wouldn't glaze Wankmaru's arc when he himself is very overrated?Should also no that most people have no idea/don't care if that section of the story was entirely carried by the anime.
>>291123307I think you're deluded desu
Madara looks like an unneutered cat
>>291123481As opposed to a neutered one?
>>291123479Bro, just go talk to Narutofags outside of here.
>>291122699Based
>>291122645Based
>>291123991Kek, based
https://x.com/Kurtaapicka2/status/2097388011214586222Need more
>>291120694>5K summit. This one doesn't get the hate it deserves. Naruto is at his gayest, jobber samurai, sakura's confession, primary school tier politics and nothing happens until Sasuke arrives at the sceneYeah, I 100% agree. I really don't get why people don't shit on it more often. It's genuinely so fucking awful.
>>291122842The canon sequel manga to Naruto about his son. The one from chapter 700 of Kishimoto's manga that also introduced Sasuke's biological daughter with Sakura.
>>291124497>also introduced Sasuke's biological daughter with Sakura.>with Sakura.
>>291124538If Orochimaru was involved then Sasuke was the mother.
>>291120851pretty much everything you said. it's especially bad how the chuunin exams keep trying to set up sakura to do something cool only to have her job shortly afterwards. see in the forest of death especially.also the retcons with the first and second hokage's power. hiruzen says he'd be able to take them and only minato would be a problem.that fight itself isn't that great either but the anime gives it a cool moment where hiruzen sees young orochimaru as he dies.it's bizarre how dying in the chuunin exams is seen as a normal thing when last arc the story was just saying how hardcore the mist village was for their exams where the students have to kill each other.kinda annoying how kankuro and temari kept saying "oh no, gaara's gonna use THAT jutsu. oh no, not THAT!"and i think the part in lee vs gaara where it looks like he scratched gaara's face but not really is an unnecessary fakeout that just leaves viewers confused more often than not.gaara's fight with naruto is also slightly juvenile in its execution. it's about fighting for yourself vs. fighting for others making you strong. and it's never really followed up that well in gaara's case because his fight with deidara paints it as he lost because he was held back by having to protect his village. i mean, sure, his people did help him back eventually, but it doesn't feel like fighting for others specifically made him strong like it did for naruto, which i assumed was partially why gaara decided to change his ways. he wanted to be strong so he wouldn't have to fear randomly being killed by an assassin.and gaara's new friendship with naruto barely goes anywhere too. it's strange to set this up and then relegate it to surface level politics about how "now konoha and suna wil magically have no problems between them ever again".i find it strange how gaara's aversion to and excitement for blood is never really brought up again after this arc.
>>291124576Uchiha "men" make for wonderful mothers.
>>291124603Prime Hiruzen solos Hashirama. We never got to see it.
>>291120851also, the speedscaling gets a little fucked here. sasuke gets to just move at weightless lee speeds after training for a month and iirc shukaku gaara can just move at that speed too but naruto can still beat him.gaara's defense is also inconsistent. yashamaru's paper bombs do nothing to his shield from behind but naruto sticking a paper bomb up his butt in shukaku mode hits his weak spot.though i think this might just have to do with him being in tanuki mode though because of myths with tanuki balls so it might be a joke that gaara's ball area is his weak spot in tanuki mode, but it still seems inconsistent to me overall unless the sand shield is just that much better than the shukaku transformation.>>291124740kek. fuck no. i just can't believe it.
>>291113131WHY DON'T HE DRAW THE FIGHTS?
>>291113156what purpose does the panel split here do?
>>291124538>Hiding behind OrochimaruYou're reaching a new low, Karin.
I keep having nightmares that they release the boruto roadmap next month and it's just Borutoslop. Why the hell is that shit still alive? It can't be that popular
>>291125137With the way the story is going, Ikemoto might make it longer than Naruto itself.
>>291124603>it's bizarre how dying in the chuunin exams is seen as a normal thing when last arc the story was just saying how hardcore the mist village was for their exams where the students have to kill each otherThe mist thing was about forcing every single kid to kill their friend before graduating from the academy. The chunin exams are more optional, and even there it's easier to avoid getting yourself killed.
>>291122901The best route for Dosu would be for him to survive until konoha crush, where he'd either die while fucking Orochimaru over in the process or decide to prove his worth to him to showcase how professional Oro is as a manipulator and groomer.
>>291125202the chuunin exams still have the forest of death as a known area where anyone could die and even the students can kill each other but during the preliminary fights death is something the proctor and team leaders always try to avoid.it seems inconsistent.
>>291125270The forrest of death is to filter out the weak, anyone that manages to get past it is considered to valuable to be discarded like that.
I keep having wet dreams that they release the Boruto roadmap next month and it's 10 more years of Boruto. How is it still so good? It's can't be stopped.
>>291125393In retrospect Boruto's greatest sin was being a monthly manga. If it was 4x faster it would eventually get somewhere even if it sucked, but because its monthly it just feels like nothing happens over the span of 10 years coming out because its so fucking slow. Its a weekly manga written like a monthly manga, the writer did not know how to write a monthly story.A bad story that comes out fast, at least isn't hard to read and will keep some fandom reading it each chapter just to see how much worse it can get. People will in fact latch onto it harder if it sucks as long as it comes out fast.But a slow bad story is just annoying.
>>291125637>Boruto started in 2016>Its been going exactly ten years>Ten years later and the main reoccuring villain of the entire story is just this asshole somehow
>>291124497>>291124538Asked?
>>291122699BIGnata
anybody got a compendium of all the outfits Ino has worn in supplementary art?
>>291125241Nah, him dying to Gaara was fine
>>291125716But fine isn't enough.
>>291125657This no longer gives me any joy, Ikefucko will never top Parasite Nishi schizoposting.
>>291125750For Naruto it is
>>291113477It was back in the old days where the big effort was saved for h2h fights.If Naruto was modern, I imagine the budget would be blown on rotoscoped characters poorly superimposed onto 3D backgrounds running really fast while the juubi shot big fuck off lasers at them.
>>291125686Asked what?
>>291125767I don't think so.
>>291125961Well, you don't matter.
>>291125988And neither do you, so what's even the point?
>>291113330Angel Rin
>>291126024The point is, Naruto is over and your opinion on what should have been is moot and doesn't matter, like (You).
>>291126090Whatever makes you sleep at night, Kishimoto.
>>291120851The chunin exam should have opened the fuck out of the world. I'm talking teams from all over. Iwa, Suna, Kumo, everywhere. Especially since it was supposed to be some political meeting back when the whole contract work aspect of the Shinobi world mattered. After the forest of death, we got>12 Konoha Shinobi>3 Suna (Villains)>3 Sound (Villains)Then we spend a dozen fights developing characters that don't matter. It's just a complete waste of an opportunity to bust the worldbuilding wide open. Naruto could have met all these different people from across the world, formed rivalries and friendships, that way when the Jinchuriki of different nations are taken, we can see how they relate to the people Naruto met. There's so much wasted potential in Naruto it sickens me.
i'd rather just not do the jinchuriki thing. or at least not the ten tail thing. that's mostly where my problem with the jinchuriki worldbuilding comes from.
>>291113330>time to make Obito...>RINnie rebirth KISHIIIIIIIIIIIII
>>291125241him fucking over orochimaru in the konoha crush would make more sense than him randomly deciding to try taking on gaara just so he can fight sasuke for no reason.but i think it'd just end with him jobbing to either orochimaru or kabuto or something.
>>291113348
>>291126280i think it's more realistic that not every village goes to the same chuunin exam. They might not be actively warring, but pre-series Onoki doesn't seem like he'd be eager to do joint training with Minato "kill 1000 Iwa nin before I break for lunch" Namikaze's village. Same with A "kidnap and rape Konoha girls" Raikage. It's mostly allied villages, setting aside how Sound is retconned to not even be a village at all.
>>291125241>>291126386he should've lived long enough to see Kin/Zaku become the sacrifices for Edo Tensei and die there. Would be a great villain moment for Oro.
>>291126478I should add, Oro/Kabuto kill him and he's the sacrifice for the would-be Minato coffin. 500 chapters later we could make fun of him for having died for no reason since Minato couldn't have ever been revived then
>>291126506total dosu humiliation huh? lmao
>>291126280That's because Kishi ripped off HxH and tried to mimic the "12 rookies pass the grueling exam" but Togashi is a much better writer.
>>291126386>so he can fight sasuke for no reasonSpeedreader...
>>291126478He didn't care about his teammates. >>291126506Stupid
Finally back to funnycomfythat means tumbleweeds
>>291126437the Sand and the Leaf weren't exactly allies before the Konoha Crush.
>>291126280InoShikaCho chould've been from a different village. hell, Team 3 could've been.
>>291126866the idea is he realizes they're all just pawns to him, dosufag...
>>291127373>the idea is he realizes they're all just pawns to himHe already knew that after he fought Sasuke in the Forest of Death
>>291126866Dosu cared about Zaku, speedreader.
>>291127660Sure, whatever.
>>291126386He doesn't need to mess Oro's plans through fighting, He could leak info to konoha in some way or even distract the sound 4 so they can't concetrate on keeping the barrier up.
>current arc is so bad people are discussing shit from part 1Lol
>>291126437>Interracial rape fantasies
>>291123204Only to the extent that you think that being right about something is cool on it's own.
>>291127861It's not, but that's irrelevant now, put that shit to rest.
>>291126437>rapeNo such a thing in the story Kishi wrote.
>>291127936>Kabuto was somehow able to get his hands on multiple Kage-tier shinobi even though body erasers existedKishi is such a bad writer
>>291127721tbf, the chuunin exams are based and the funnest part imo. even if flawed still.
>>291128005I mean, it is where the story peaked. It's all downhill after it.
it was said gaara had a following of sorts with younger people during the shitty kazekage arc. older people didn't like him but younger people did. it didn't make much sense to me. not enough time had passed since he became a good guy for there to be a difference in opinions on him between old folk and young folk i felt.everyone would've still had the same knowledge of him and his actions across his life. it's not like decades passed and people were born who never knew his bad past grew to like him. or are we talking about babies who were born within the 3 years since he turned good? those are the ones who liked him?
>>291128265>questioning the timelines in Naruto
>>291128048in your opinion, what made the chuunin exams the best part?for me, it was the chaotic feeling that anything could happen, and the wide range of opinions/personalities expressed and how everyone just had their own thoughts and was constantly shitting on each other. they really felt like a bunch of realistically shitty (and occasionally nice) kids and it was great. it and part 1 in general had a nice "coming of age" type of feeling.>>291128296i know the timelines feel weird in general because there's also the stuff with hashirama and madara only taking place a few generations prior to the main story when it felt like it should've been centuries before the way the story was originally going.but fuck, gaara's story just makes no sense a lot of the time. i feel like kishimoto just didn't plan most of this shit out.
>>291118520Because the suffering due to the meteors hitting the planet will still occur at a large scale. Are you retarded? If somebody would come to you and ask if you want to be tortured before getting killed or if you want to see a dream of perfect life which would seem just as real as the one you are living now would you agree to torture just because you would wind up dead anyway you dumb faggots? And again why the fuck are you so invested in humanity and it's progress? What's so good about them?
>>291128388If your goal is to wipe out humanity, then just kill them off. The dream plan is such a stupid end-game plot.
>>291128383>in your opinion, what made the chuunin exams the best part?Prob because it was the last part where Kishi blatantly ripped off HxH.
>>291128447sorta. but enough is different where it feels like its own thing. the hunter exams in hxh are really short and end abruptly. but that was also unironically my favorite part of hxh. i might just be a sucker for competition arcs where characters have to use their abilities in unique ways to progress.
any other exam type arcs similar to the chuunin/hunter exam?
>>291119729You literally have no argument against the plan you just keep repeating it's retarded failing to grasp that the one who is retarded is you. Like at this point I even struggle to grasp what you general idea of a good justified villain spergout is and which villains are justified in theirs and why. Is pain justified in wanting to bomb the shit out of everyone so that everyone knows PAIN because his boyfriend died? Is Gato justified in subjugating the town because he wants more money and power? Is Orochimaru justified in his atrocities because he wants immortality because his parents died or something? Not everybody reacts in the same way. Well who could have ever guessed. People are different, retard. If one of your arguments is that you don't want individuals imposing their will on everyone then you should understand as much. Kisame bought into eotm as well for example. Not everyone was offered such a way out when they were down on their luck and realistically many would agree to it regardless. There's no point in talking to you anyway you have zero arguments and understanding of the issue all you have is vibes. You keep calling the plan retarded without actually explaining why and offering a proper alternative that would be even remotely capable of rivaling its efficiency. You do that because you are cruel retarded sociopath that irrationally values such vague things as progress and humanity.you are literally not ready to have this conversation go read some books, think about why and what you value and come back when you are able to present a coherent argument
>>291128430Answer the question retard. The goal isn't to wipe humanity it's to discontinue suffering. Wiping out humanity is merely a consequence of that goal. If you can discontinue suffering with the least amount of suffering caused in the process you do that. Thankfully EOTM is a perfect tool
>>291128602>so many words just to say nothingNTA, but the plan is retarded because Madara and Obito could just go in LaLaLand themselves. There's no reason they need to subject every living person to it when they won't even interact with each other once they're comatosed. If the goal is just to end humanity, then they should just kill everyone off. If they want to "save" people then just go Inception style and offer the LaLa genjutsu to anyone who wants it. The plan is retarded as fuck.
>>291128691Answered>>291128698The whole plan reminds me of that comic where the police are arresting and beating up people for refusing Covid restrictions and saying they're doing it to save them.
>>291128698not any of these anons, but this. why do they care to try to make everyone else live in a fantasy for the sake of making things better for everyone somehow regardless of how everyone else wishes to live? it's the most selfish "good intentioned" plan ever.
>>291128698Why do retards keep replying to me? Madara's goal wasn't to see the dream himself his goal was elimination of suffering his goal was the eternal piece. His whole shtick is that despite being a crazed battle maniac he is incredibly empathetic and has a deep love for all of humanity not as an emergent meta entity but as a collective of individuals where suffering of one is suffering of all. He could have easily solved his own suffering by simply engaging in an eternal clash with great opponents but he sacrifices the good fight on the altar of piece
>>291127721>[subject is so [insert word here] that people are [something else]You do this A LOT, I'm starting to notice.
>>291128735Every plan that seeks to better humanity is the one that imposes it's will on everyone you dumb fucking faggots. Any goal is intrinsically selfish be the result of this goal net positive or net negative for the world
>>291128793>people talk the same on a website that has meme verbiage You sound really stupid, not even schizo.
>>291128735They don't seem to regret depriving people of their dream world when killing them.Hell, if they were so sure this is the only just way then why didn't try to get people on their side? They don't really care about the greater good, they are just losers Who are too cowardly to admit they are patheticaly evil and hide behind a fake desire for peace.
>>291128772>has a deep love for all of humanity>proceeds to kill countless people to force them into a genjutsu Lol
>>291128772why does he assume everyone is suffering and needs saved? it's selfish to assert his assumptions on everyone else for "the sake of ending suffering".>>291128795it's inherently contradictory to want to help people by subjugating them. i just don't get madara's plan. it also hinges on too many unknown variables.>>291128816it does feel that way.
madara's plan probably killed more people and made more people suffer than what was currently happening prior to the war arc.
>>291127918>It's notI agree but you brought it up not me
>>291128729You didn't answer shit dumbass. Do you agree to be tortured before you die or see a blissful dream? Given you asinine prior replies you see no difference so we might as well torture you a bit. The reason why you find the similarity with some retarded comic is that you clearly don't differentiate between suffering and contentment which is too bad. Ultimately there's some truth to the fact that the death comes either way. In this way the death ultimately caused by eotm is identical to the death on experiences when your body ages or the illness or a hand or an accident strike against your will. The only thing that is lost is humanity and progress whatever value those ultimately have
>>291128880>Do you agree to be tortured before you die or see a blissful dream?>I'm going to kill you bro, but you can decide how you want to dieSo the goal is to wipe out humanity. Cool. You're also very stupid and haven't made any actual arguments. Must be desperate for replies.
>>291128837Are you arguing there are people who somehow manage to escape suffering? As long as you live you will suffer one way or the other you will experience loss one way or the other and if there's going to be somebody to keep you company you invariably cause suffering to them no matter how little. Eotm literally keeps its cake and eats it too. You get to live the live how you want it and the suffering stops. >It's inherently contradictoryIt's also inherently contradictory to want to help and not to do it. Does the fact that some people refuse to sacrifice nothing but their attachment to realz to help ease the suffering of others not make them evil? >Unknown variablesThe show literally not once raises the question of it. From what we see you get what you are sold
>>291128383>in your opinion, what made the chuunin exams the best part?It was more creative than anything else before or since. So many characters with unique powers. So many dynamics, neji and Naruto, neji and Lee, neji and Sasuke. Lee and Sasuke, Sasuke and Naruto etc. Little arcs like the written exam and a genuinely great villain
>>291128923>I'm going to kill you bro, but you can decide how you want to dieHow is it any better then >you are going to die bro but you don't get to choose shit but you gonna keep the realzStop replying to me you mental midget it's depressing to be reminded the stupidity of your caliber is so widespread in this world
>>291128966>As long as you live you will suffer one way or the other>These wounds, they will not heal
>>291128966>Are you arguing there are people who somehow manage to escape suffering?yes. literally, we see several characters doing pretty well before and after the war arc. look at naruto's happy ending. do you think he needed madara's fake reality to be accepted by his village and become hokage and make several life long friends and bring sasuke back?did any of the characters shown in ch700 need madara's fake reality to be happy?>>291128969yeah, orochimaru and gaara were pretty great and helped make it even more unpredictable.guy and kakashi played off each other really well too. one of the best dynamics.the written test is one of my favorite parts too. people usually say "how did none of the proctors catch the obvious cheating line tenten's mirrors?" but it was okay to cheat as long as they didn't keep messing up.
>>291128996>you are going to die bro but you don't get to choose shit but you gonna keep the realzYou are actually very stupid and i have to believe you're just baiting for replies because youre a pathetic no-life. Being forced into a genjutsu takes away your ability to have a choice in anything. You're convincing 0 people here btw. The Moon Eye plan is incredibly retarded and indefensible.
>>291129024Yeah bro tell all the Buddhist how much of edgy teens they are. certainly it is not you who are retarded and blind to the suffering of others and your own. Unless of course you are some sort of masochist who deriives pleasure from hitting his foot onto the corner of a cabinet or something
>>291129059>Crawling in my skin
>>291129051Naruto literally gets jailed into a cuckhouse by his adopted son and his actual son is hunted by his village he also loses Kurama but I guess none of that is suffering I guess Naruto enjoys all of that a great deal. I guess if someone were to destroy the village whole he's cucking away he'd be delighted too. The point is retard that Naruto's lack of suffering is temporary and that his happiness was bought with somebody's suffering. Eotm solves this equation
>>291128966>'s also inherently contradictory to want to help and not to do it.not if you don't have the means. most people don't have the means. if they did, they'd help people.>The show literally not once raises the question of it. From what we see you get what you are soldmadara had to rely on tobi capturing the tailed beasts and kabuto summoning him through edo tensei so he could undo the control and take over.
>>291129056>I'm going to kill you bro, but you can decide how you want to dieThat's your literal words you dumb faggots. And yes you do get to choose the illusion you get is literally tailored to your preferences. Just stop embarrassing yourself nobody's taking your precious realz from you
>>291129134You're convincing 0 people here btw
>>291128602>you just keep repeating it's retarded Because it just is. Imagine what it sounds like in the real world.>To end all wars we must put every single person on a permanent IV drip of sleep pills so they all sleep until they die and never fight.This is OBJECTIVELY retarded. I don't even need arguments because it's the same tier of kindergarten bs as "let's tie everyone's hands with rope and then there will be no more wars", just lol. >Like at this point I even struggle to grasp what you general idea of a good justified villain spergout is It doesn't have to be either good or justified. We can simply come to the right conclusion that Madara and Obito are insane retards and there is no merit to their spergeout. That by itself does not make the spergeout "bad". What makes it bad is how the story plays it as if these two have an actual point. When in actuality what they are doing is both insane and retarded. >Is pain justified in wanting to bomb the shit out of everyone so that everyone knows PAIN because his boyfriend died? No. He isn't justified and that's precisely WHY he is a villain. That's the whole point. Still this is far less retarded and Pain had more of an actual point than EOTM. Because he is kind of right in thinking that suffering begets empathy and this plays into Naruto's theme that strife could only end if people open their hearts to each other. He just goes the wrong way about it. >Is Gato justified in subjugating the town because he wants more money and power? Lmao. Far more justified than anything Obito did.>Is Orochimaru justified in his atrocities because he wants immortality because his parents died or something?I think you are missing the point. Obito is not a bad character because he is doing villanous things. He is a bad character because his motivations make no sense. With Orochimaru you know that he is an un-repented psychopath therefore his actions, no matter how unjustifiable, make sense.
>>291129105Most people do have means they are just not inclined to make sacrifices you could literally go and do some volunteering instead of shit posting on 4chan but you don't. The point is contradictions are unavoidable. Selfishness isn't in the opposition to the desire to help. There are people who literally physically incapable of not helping since they get too much feel good chemicals out of it. Why are we even discussing logistics? If your arguments is that Madara went retardedly about putting the plan in place then I agree. But the thing is if he didn't there wouldn't be even a story not that it excuses it
>>291129134You're saying "ur precious reelz" and "WE LIVE IN DA MATRIX, PROVE REALITY ISN'T A SIMULATION HAHA YOU CAN'T!!!" like it's some enormous Gotcha. Subjecting reality to a blissful dream as they all slowly expire means you're just saying>We need humanity to go extinct to eliminate human sufferingWhich is retarded. You can't handwave away the fact that you're eliminating humanity as "oh it's just a consequence". You're committing genocide and saying it's ok because it means people in the future won't get hurt. No shit they won't, they won't even exist. If you think non-existence is preferable to the perpetual suffering that is reality, just fucking kill yourself now.
>>291129056I don't think Buddhists preach>everyone on the planet should just all die
>>291129164Bro just stop. What do you want me to say? Do you want me to call you retarded again? You provide zero arguments you literally ignore the fact that the suffering is the issue. That by tying people hands you cause them suffering you do not give them anything in return. That putting people in sleep isn't the same as providing them with a perfect indistinguishable from real life illusion where they are happy and content. Yes objectively if you kill everyone it would bring piece there will be no wars and no suffering. It is not retarded it is a fact. You might not like the implications of it but by constantly calling it retarded you simply betray the fact that it makes you feel weird and you powerless in front of this feeling.
>>291129259Ok? That's what the Moon Eye plan preaches
>>291129100>boruto>>291129196>There are people who literally physically incapable of not helping since they get too much feel good chemicals out of it.haha yeah... unfortunately for me, i'm one of those. even at the expense of my own well being.why do you assume i just shitpost here all day? i only pop in every once in a while.yes. madara's plan is retarded and hinges on too many weird variables. it's surprising anything worked in his favor at all.
>>291129286Are you the same retard who believes Bee didn't hand Sasuke his ass on a silver platter?
>>291128602>>291129164(cont.)Obito doesn't make sense unless you admit that he is an insane retard who belongs in an asylum.>Kisame bought into eotm as well for example.I'm not sure to what extent he knew about what they were doing. But if he did buy into it then he is retarded too. Another character ruined. But then again, unlike the Uchiggers , Kisame was never potrayed as a particularly bright character. >capable of rivaling its efficiencyEfficiency at what? Killing the human race within one generation?>B-b-but why should anyone care about humanity or reality?Then why should anyone care about suffering and pain either? It's like debating one of those anti-natalist retards on /lit/.
>>291129205I feel very much content thank you very much you dumb predictable retard. I'd I felt bad enough about my own existence I would do it. The point of existence is that it comes with certain baggage for example most of us value our lives even though we do not understand why we do. We fear non existence and we associate the pain and suffering with it. Eotm literally solves these issues. Don't be afraid of non existence you silly faghot you hadn't existed for eons before and you will not exist for eons more after. There's no inherent value in humanity or live or progress. You just find the most optimal way to maximize your happiness and minimize your suffering during this short respite from oblivion and eotm objectively would be the most efficient way to go about it
>>291129314>BorutoRegardless of how the story would continue it would be asinine to imagine there would be no conflict no loss and no suffering with it all ultimately concluding in the same way - death>Why do you assumeBecause you are here and if you are here you have this to sacrifice yet you don't. So even though you might be a humanitarian it doesn't change the fact that you still refuse to give it all and the fact that you agree with the fact that there's an inherent selfishness in your desire to help people makes the point you were making against madara moot
>>291129317Yeah, everyone you dislike and don't agree with is the same person bro
>>291129441>Regardless of how the story would continue it would be asinine toand it would also be asinine to say that everyone would be suffering in a continuation of the story. it's like saying because people are suffering somewhere we should all just give up on reality and live in a simulation.>Because you are here and if you are here you have this to sacrifice yet you don't. So even though you might be a humanitarian it doesn't change the fact that you still refuse to give it all and the fact that you agree with the fact that there's an inherent selfishness in your desire to help people makes the point you were making against madara mootbro, it's late at night. who am i supposed to go help? and why do you say "give it all" like helping people means you should sacrifice everything you have? if i gave up everything, i'd be homeless and wouldn't be able to do anything anymore. let alone help anyone.
>>291129323You are not debating shit. You just write empty platitude where the central thesis, argument and example is it's retarded
>>291129561I'm not hearing a no. Convincing zero people btw.
So without his Sharingan Hax obito is only on the level of Kakashi (with 3x Chakra)?
>>291129627No, he's Iruka tier.
>>291129588Everyone will be suffering because suffering is indelible part of living. You will dislike things you will hit your shin your parents will die you will not get this thing you wanted. It is inevitable no matter how small suffering is it will always follow you or you close ones or people in general. The reality itself has no inherent value you have no proof it exists and you never deal with it directly all you ever interact with is with whatever your brain paints to you. In my opinion if there's an option to disregard reality with no downside and with an upside of terminating suffering it's asinine to ignore it just because you are so attached to realz even though you don't know what these realz are or why they are so valuable >bro, it's late at night.You could be planning how to help more people you could be looking for people to help and thinking how to do it. The point is people will always have some space to sacrifice something to help someone else but they rarely do that it's not a character flaw or a slight against you it's just realz. As for the point you made about you being homeless the lack of house isn't what makes someone homeless it's the inability to navigate the reality due to internal or external causes that does. You could always do volunteering work that provides housing and meals if you are so devoted to the cause
>>291129686Isn't that basically every Uchiha without their hax? Most Uchiha were dogshit anyway.
>>291129286>That by tying people hands you cause them suffering you do not give them anything in return.That example is meant to show just how retarded the idea of ending human wars by incapacitating humanity is. Which is PRECISELY what Madara is trying to do when it comes down do it. >That putting people in sleep isn't the same as providing them with a perfect indistinguishable from real life illusion where they are happy and content.As far as the point about ending wars and suffering goes these two are literally indistinguishable. In fact that other anon is right that you might as well kill all humans and the outcome would be the same. No humans, no wars. The whole goon fantasy part is irrelevant to the discussion unless the goon fantasy IS the goal in and of itself. >Yes objectively if you kill everyone it would bring piece there will be no wars and no suffering. It is not retarded it is a fact. You might not like the implications of it but by constantly calling it retarded you simply betray the fact that it makes you feel weird and you powerless in front of this feeling.>Literally admits that killing all humans is a legitimate way of achieving peace. Oh God it really is like talking to those anti-natalist trannies. Deja vu>>291129598Concession accepted. Yeah I'm not debating someone who doesn't understand what the point of achieving peace even is. Someone who thinks that peace is meaningful in a world without humans. I'm just going to continue to mock this
This has to be one of the dumbest discussions I've read.
i'd rather go back to arguing about dosu again or something.>>291129696if reality had no value then i'd just sit inside all day and play games or something. reality has value though so i go out and live. not just live inside an escapist fantasy all day.i can imagine scenarios in my head too if i want and what would be fun, but going out and actually doing it has more value than just imaging a fantasy of it.>homelessno, literally, if i gave up everything i had to help others, i would literally have nothing and not be able to help others anymore. i don't even know of any shelters where i live anyway. this is a bizarre argument.and in some cases, you literally are limited to only helping a certain amount. like you can only donate plasma twice in one week. doctors don't let you do anymore than that. am i selfish because i don't give up all my plasma and blood though and kill myself for others?that's what it sounds like you're trying to argue.>>291129788quite so. what am i even doing here at this point? the funnish discussion is over.
>>291129737The goon fantasy is literally the point. It kills off humans with them not experiencing suffering that's the difference between a simple death you fight against and the death that you welcome. There's a huge amount of difference between peace and absence of suffering, you clueless faggots. Wars are just one of the many vehicles of suffering, the one adorned in the brightest most extravagant colours but ultimately just a vehicle. The cessation of wars doesn't guarantee even cessation of fighting let alone suffering. Yes to end suffering and end conflict all together there's no other way but to ultimately see the end of humanity that's the paradox and issue of it all. Madara saw all the suffering and deemed that it was the price worth paying. You don't because you ascribe some hidden value to humanity life and progress but you never even try to properly elaborate on it yet you attempt to engage in a discourse. It's fucking hilarious you dumbass has the gall to even mention concessions in any other way than admitting your own
>>291129808Again you say I do that therefore it has value that's not an argument it's merely betrays your preferences and habits. Some do drugs some waste their lives away on the internet. All of that points to the value not being objective. You would do all of the things in eotm as well and you'd be nonthewiser to the unreality of it all. Because your brain would tell you yep this is real just as it tells you what you are doing right now is real. >I literally don't knowHow is it my problem that you refuse to find the ways to maximize the net positive you could bring to the world. There myriads of different initiatives where you could sign up as a volunteer and they would provide you with the housing and food while you help there. The fact that you compare it to physical limitations just betrays where you actual loyalties lie
>>291129888Why don't you just kys if suffering is so bad? Your argument is stupid.
>>291129964Another retard. Read this>>291129355
>>291129988You don't write anything interesting. I'm amazed you haven't killed yourself honestly. You sound miserable.
I think the main point is not about whether EOTM is valid or not but what it means for Obito and Madara as characters in this story. Because right now Obito comes off as sperge who goes fulls school shooter mode against reality just because his one sided crush died. And Madara comes off as a little bitch who expected the village to solve all issues with humans and shinobi overnight and went mad for it.
>>291130035It's a stupid plan no matter how you dice it
>>291115099That's why he accepted going there, because Naruto wouldn't approve otherwise.
>>291129888>and the death that you welcome.Holy self report. >that's the paradox and issue of it all. Yeah. It's retarded precisely because it is paradoxical. >You don't because you ascribe some hidden value to humanity life and progress That IS the paradox you absolute dolt. There is no point in ending suffering or wars without first ascribing value to human life and progress. The Uchiggers are retarded because they don't see the contradiction and hypocrisy in their bullshit.
>>291130035it's more that obito lost hope that things could get better but the presentation is just poor so everyone thinks it's all about rin.obito is a naruto who lost hope and got groomed by madara into making him worse.madara is just ridiculous and over the top.they both seem kinda short sighted. maybe they expected too much and had their hopes crushed.and generally, i preferred the simpler villains who were just evil or morally gray because they were just surviving the fucked up ninja world.i don't like these "i'm evil so i can do good" villains. but maybe it's just naruto's take on these type of villains.i honestly preferred p5r's take on this type of reality vs dream story.
>>291130034it sounds like he wants to since he wants to live in a fantasy world.
>>291129962value is subjective. suffering is subjective because everyone reacts differently to it.what value do you get from shitpostimg here?should everyone be put in a fantasy world because 1 person suffered from something everyone else got over?
>>291128772>Madara's goal wasn't to see the dream himself his goal was elimination of suffering his goal was the eternal pieceno it wasn'thim and obito were both killing people for fun
>>291125066Times the way you read the page. Stop speed reading
>>291130034Yeah I can imagine how I would seem miserable to a retard who has never thought once in his life
>>291130100I mean you will eventually die retard. Would you want to welcome death or futilely fight against it? If anything is a self report it's your reaction to the idea. The idea of a peaceful death and accepting one owns fate with the head held high is ubiquitous throughout human culture. The Uchiha are no more hypocritical than you are with your refusal not to put life on a pedestal. At least they treat life as something more concrete than simple it is therefore it is good
fuck this shit. posting a classic.https://youtu.be/SbjXmBmHAdkanyone remember the name of that one old abridged video of the written test?
>>291130234If everyone has only to gain from it I don't see why not. The fact that you got over suffering doesn't stop suffering from existing and it doesn't prevent it from reappearing in a form you won't be able to get over
>>291130320because death isn't a downside to you so everyone else should just accept it too. death not being a downside is subjective too, anon.
>>291130238Madara loves a good fight Obito is a bitter incel they are both Shinobi killing for fun is their bread and butter however the death cause by their hands are limited in scope compared to the death and suffering caused by the world. If Obito weren't a complete retard. He would kidnap Naruto grabbed all of the Akatsuki and stormed B, cast the eotm and nobody would be nonthewiser
>>291130358Everybody will face death one day that's the truth of the matter. I don't need to force it on anyone for it to arrive all the same. The eotm specifically makes it so it's arrival isn't feared you live you perfect life maybe even several of them and then when the time comes the death that comes is the one you can accept
>>291130378but you do need to force everyone into a fake reality
>>291130361don't give a shitjust like they don't give a shit about saving anybody, they're just retarded
>>291130459Everyone always will be forced to do something. Madara and Obito are utilitarian in their view of good. You are forced to live you are forced to suffer you just can't do much about it, so momentarily forcing everyone into their perfect world from inside of which they won't recognize it's not real and they were forced into it doesn't register as too much of an issue for them>Inb4 you can always kysYou know it's not how it works you dumb retards
>>291130517>everyone is forced into somethingno, we can all make our own choices in reality.wasn't even going to tell you to kys even though i think this argument is stupid. it all boils down to subjectivity. it's because everything is subjective that we can't force any particular way of living on others. we have to live in reality and make our own choices. and if you want to live an escapist life all day, you're free to do so. but i like my life as is and don't want it forced on me too.
>>291130578The inb4 wasn't directed at you. Clearly you have no choice in the matter whether it's about suffering or if it's about being born in general. You cannot opt out of being born because to make choice not to be born you already must exist which is not possible. The same goes for death you have no choice on when and why you die neither do you have choice in whether what brings you suffering and what brings you happiness. And let's not even start on the issue of free will and how dubious it is in general, and, no, compatibilistic view on free will is nothing but a mote and bailey fallacy that values the term more than what it actually supposed to mean
>>291129164>To end all wars we must put every single person on a permanent IV drip of sleep pills so they all sleep until they die and never fightYou WILL live in the pod.
>>291127237>spoilernah. try this >>291122237 for tumbleweeds. the daily is a bustling funnycomfy. deal with it.
>>291113604>It feels more like a prediction of the future than a actual illusion.That was the original concept of the sharingan before retconning
>>291130105>it's more that obito lost hope that things could get betterI don't think Obito was ever shown to have any such lofty ideals. He was simply a child soldier pawn who should have been mentally prepared to watch his comrades die. Trained for that even. Not saying that this makes his sperge out invalid. But let's call EOTM what it is, a sperge out from a teenager going mad over his crush's death, who was never mentally all there to begin with. Sure it does not help that Madara got to him first. But then Madara's case is even worse. Who even IS Madara Uchiha? A burnt out has been who could not face his own irrelevancy so he decided to make it everyone else's problem. His own clan did not want him. He is not a teenager and he does not sperge out when his brother dies. He called it quit when he realised that Konoha would fail to prevent the conditions that lead to his family's deaths and decides to go for the EOTM. That means unless humanity joins hand starts singing kumbaya together he would see killing everyone as the better alternative. Ultimately this is a story about a mad isolated old man past his prime with delusions of grandeur and the vulnerable teenager he grooms into his madness. I feel sad for Nagato that he got caught up with these people.
Since the Chunin Exams started being discussed, I wanted to say that the Naruto vs Kiba fight was REALLY bad in the anime.The start of the battle is Kiba hitting Naruto once, and the next 5 minutes are just Naruto triumphantly getting back up with every spectator monologuing about how impressive he is. It's really annoying. And also the animation of the second half of the battle is VERY awful. You should search for the full version of the fight and see it for yourself. It's funny how it feels like they ran out of budget for the MC's fight of all things. Naruto vs Neji is also pretty bad, but is more so for thematic reasons.
>>291131069This daily failed to gather any new narutards. Daily Fail
>>291130295>The idea of a peaceful death and accepting one owns fate with the head held high is ubiquitous throughout human culture.Your personal retardation here has nothing to do with the plot of this manga or Uchigger bros' motivations. >The Uchiha are no more hypocritical than you are with your refusal not to put life on a pedestal. What's hypocritical about it? Do you even know what that word means or do you just spit out nonsense in the hopes that it sounds coherent. I can pinpoint exactly how the Uchigger bros. are a couple of hypocrites. They pretend to care about violence and humanity's suffering while coercing the world into a mass hypnotic genocide. No wonder they kill left, right and center and unironically cause more suffering than the village system ever did. >At least they treat life as something more concrete than simple it is therefore it is goodYou don't have to believe that life is good to see that Uchiha bros. are retarded. Only the lowliest of lust filled beasts in human skin could see it as a good outcome for humanity (you). Maybe this wouldn't be an issue if you were capable of thinking with your brain instead of your dick. A task Obito failed at spectacularly
The daily won. The dead tumbleweed general died and lost.
Remember when mentioning Naruto would get you banned on this board?Now it's getting daily chapter threads lol
>>291131559>Remember when mentioning Naruto would get you banned on this board?Never happened, stop lying
>>291131578How does it feel to be so young and new?
>>291131614Pretty awesome, thanks uncle narubro. Now stop lying.
>>291131559Because everyone knows daily naruto chapter threads are comfy. But they didn't even need to ban the uncomfy tumbeweed general because it died all on its own kek.
TL note: comfy = boring
Hanabump no Jutsu!
What an autistic thread. What happened?
>>291131467You are hypocrite because you are too much of a coward to see your position through. You know that you have no rational ground to stand on in your obsession with life humanity and realz, yet you accuse others of being retarded. You can't even separate violence and suffering from death. You ignore the fact even without genocide there will be death and therefore you will not escape the violence and suffering. The fact that you think that Obito and Madara caused even a modicum of suffering the shinobi system have is a cherry on the top of your retardation. Who cares what is good for humanity? What is humanity to begin with? Why do you care what happens to it after you die?
>>291128868I'd don't remember talking about whether or not someone was pathetic for arguing.
>>291133025Nta, but you're talking like a 12 years old pseudo intelectual.
>>291119913Such a precise chacra control! He made the dead dick erected. True linage of Uchiha Madara.
Obito just wants to make everyone comfy forever. How is that bad?
>>291133811>slaughters countless peopleWhy are you resisting?!?>kidnaps village's jinchurki This is for your own good!>forces everyone into an inevitable deathI'm saving you!!!
>hurr durr why doesn't Obito just plug himself in the matrix and call it a day?Interesting question, and it does somewhat make sense, but there's a little problem. (picrel) Going by the logic that he is indeed doing it all for Rin, then this promise right here is the focal point of everything that follows. So clearly, Obito does want to save the world, but his disillusionment poses an insurmountable obstacle - How do you save something you consider to be beyond saving?ENTER - ancient boomer with freakish powers along with ayylmao vaginal discharge offering a deus ex machina to this particular conundrum. A virtual simulation indistinguishable from reality, but without all of the suffering attached to it, basically a way to fulfill a promise and complete the herculean task before him.Fast forward to the war arc - Obito is feeling pretty damn tired about now, and his heart isn't even fully in it, he really just want to be with Rin again. There also appears to be some retarded kid who wants to save the world for some reason, and even though his solution is to "just DATTEBAYO enough my dude", he is offering to lift the burden off his shoulders. Also it turns out the people that dragged him into this mess were the ones who orchestrated Rin's death. Feeling like a played fool right about now, he decides to side against Madara and Zetsu and try to alleviate some of the damage he helped create, before departing to afterlife to bang Rin's ghost pussy.
>>291134064He's going to make it so all that never happened so it's fine.
>>291133025>You know that you have no rational ground to stand on in your obsession with life humanity and realz, I know of no such thing. The RATIONAL position is that value for humanity is a NECESSARY condition for elimination of pain and suffering to have meaning.Sure you can have no value for humanity like a little edgelord bitch but then why pretend that ending war or suffering matters at all? The funny thing is your bs is not even applicable here because neither Madara nor Obito share your nonsensical view of humanity. Which is EXACTLY why they come off as retards for going along with EOTM. They actually believe they are doing good and that makes them look like idiots. Also notice how you never actually directly address any of the points I have made. Because you don't have a valid counter at all
>>291134214>offering a deus ex machina to this particular conundrum. The only reason I partially forgive Obito for falling for this nonsense is because he was a (not particular bright) teenager who just lost half his body and his waifu. Sure a smarter, older or more stoic man, like say Kakashi or Guy, would have rejected this bullshit outright. >Obito is feeling pretty damn tired about now, and his heart isn't even fully in itThat should have happened way earlier. At any point, from having Mist ninja murder each other to orchestrating Yahiko's death to unleashing the fox he could've asked himself, "what the fuck am I even doing? This is stupid."I like the theory that Obito was ultimately a simpleton who had a change of heart in his final moments only because he found out Madara was responsible for Rin. Maybe he is not smart enough to deduce that whoever did it is irrelevant to whether EOTM is valid. Because it's all about Rin to him
>>291134214It's more so that Obito is doing it for the idealized version of rin in his head rather than the real rin.
>>291113311>>291113330The power of cute and funny should not be underestimated...
>>291134288This is the right explanation for why the plan is bad not good, or at least for why they have no right to maintain that it is good. But they are not retards for thinking it's good they are liars. They want to destroy the world, but you could neither convince others to help nor sound cool if you just come out and say that the tough breaks of life not going like you wanted have caused you to cope by throwing a tantrum and wishing to destroy everything, literally. They are Cain rising up and slaying not just their brother but everyone. You sound like a piece of shit if you come right out and say that's what you're doing though. Cain didn't brag about it, God had to confront him.
>>291120851>how the whole subplot with Dosu goes nowhere because of how he diesI'd say Orochimaru's inclusion was the flaw. After he becomes a thing, the previous Sound Ninja get gradually written out and it goes from an actual village which the Dosu trio was proud of to Orochimaru's HQ. Kabuto's character is another.
What a weird discussion. The moon eye plan is retarded. I'm surprised it garnered so many comments.
>>291137138You're late faggot. Get to dumping.
>>291137240>he still thinks I'm his crush
>>291137321Tsk tsk. Really dropping the ball today. Guess we need to find a more reliable OP to finish this general off.
