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>>292131906

>thinks fanservice just means ass and titteis

>>292131929
99% of people aren't feetfags

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>>292131929
>safehorny
The absolute state of castrated low-t gen Z.

>>292131906
Fanservice hardcaps how popular a show can really be, because nobody wants to show their casual friends an anime thats really good buts also gets interrupted by super cringe pantyshots or "You walked in on me in the bathroom kyaaaaa~!" garbage. It prevents those anime from getting recommended beyond the otaku circles where those are already normalized.

Whereas you can sit down and watch Odd Taxi or Frieren with basically anyone and expect them to walk away from it having enjoyed it.

If you want schlock, just watch hentai.

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>>292131906
And that's a good thing.
Anime that I can't watch together with my kids, wife, families, colleagues and bosses is bad anime, period.
Having no fanservice is also why Bocchi anime is much more popular than the manga.
Everyone around me loves the anime and they don't even acknowledge the existense of the inferior manga madw for coomers.
Only incel losers give a damn about the mangaka's 'vision'.

>>292132115
>Anime that I can't watch together with my kids, wife, families, colleagues and bosses is bad anime, period.
but it's okay when Game Of Thrones and western movies have all that

>>292132125
One, there are lots of people you wouldn't watch Game of Thrones with. You are not watching that with your kids.

Two, the sexual content in Game of Thrones typically isn't involving middle schoolers. Thats a big difference.

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define fanservice

>>292132212
Last show of game of thrones was about a teenage princess groomed by her uncle and fucking her knight

>>292132115
based

>>292132233
Nudity or underwear

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>>292131906
And that's why they're good.
If I see even just 1 female character with huge breasts or have her cleavage showing in their key visual, I just know it's going to be a shit anime.
Every female character should dress like picrel.

>>292132233
Anything that high-T masculine heterosexual male like is fanservice.

>>292132115
The Bocchi manga has fanserive? Damn, which characters?

>>292132521
>Based and redpilled fellow NijiGawds always win

>>292132022
>>292132001
Fanservice doesnt always mean tits/ass.

>>292131906
This is how I realized how much women are skewing the scores on ratings sites and making me miss out on some gems.

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>>292132582
Yes. But OP's context of fanservice is female sexuality being presented on screen.

>>292132604
Wise.

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>>292131906
I love sexual fanservice.
Especially in serious stories where anything resembling eros isn't present.

>>292131906
plenty do
code geass, monogatari series, gurren lagann, edgerunners all have fan service and are highly rated everywhere

>>292132604
Any site that doesn't let you filter out female ratings isn't worth using.

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>>292131906
Pic related from Attack on Titan.
>>292132125
>>292132238
Game of Thrones treats these topics with the "air of gravitas" that they deserve. This is by default, harder to do with a cartoon, even if done correctly. Even in western cartoons, you get idiots who admire characters like Bojack Horseman, Rick Sanchez, and Sterling Archer. I suspect that we get far fewer people admiring Jaime Lannister.
>>292132233
A clear break from the regular and ongoing plot, action, story, or character interactions to show gratuitous artwork. This could last for only a moment, or an entire episode (hot springs episode XD) According to this definition, Mushoku Tensei has no fan service, but Reincarnated Slime has plenty.

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>>292131906
All "sexual" stuff are "noise".
Anything that exists in anime that a 5 year old child shouldn't watch shouldn't exist.
Fanservice and nudity needed to be removed from the story before it became decent.
Thank the anime staff of Frieren for removing 'noise' from the manga.
The mangaka clearly didn't want to draw anything sexual but her stupid coomer incel editor forced her to just like he did when he proposed to make Frieren sexy.

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U fucking wut m8?

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>>292131906
Kill yourself.

>>292133364
No fanservice in the actual anime.

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>>292133372
Why didn't Bocchi just open a Youtube account playing guitar while discreetly showing off her tits, only to slowly start cosplaying lewder and lewder outfits to only then open an OF account?

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>>292133431
keep in mind I spotted that in the first fucking 30 seconds of the episode while trying to find THIS

>>292133446
Her parents and sister watch it

>>292131906
?
Shonen alone has lots of fanservice

>>292131906
Almost like people who rate anime on shitty anime websites are a bunch of phonies and normalfags, did you get to that conclusion now or what?

>>292133493
Less than it used to, though. You couldn't help but trip over panty shots and boob gags in the 00s, meanwhile more recent stuff like MHA is borderline sexless.

>>292131906
idk what you mean by fan service but mushoku tensei showed naked loli cunny, if that counts

>>292133542
>MHA
MHA has more fanservice than the big 3

>>292132258
Unironically this. If an anime has to resort to dangling titties in front of the viewer to get their attention then it has failed at crafting an captivating story, compelling characters or an interesting world. Fanservice, more often than not, is used in place of those things.

>>292133364
that show was a flop though

>>292133957
The problem is that tards like you assume that's true every single time there's fanservice whatsoever. Fanservice has zero bearing on story quality.

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>>292132115
Reddit
>>292132258
Gay
>>292133957
Super gay

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>>292133965
Shit you're right...
It flopped so hard it only got a movie, a second season, 2 VN remakes and sequel VN in the works. Anyway...

lots of gay redditors in this thread.

>>292131906
Holy Frieren sneak

Bocchi and Odd Taxi are good tho

>>292131929
Frieren?
Built for goblin

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>>292131906
Only shitty anime have fan service.
Good anime have no need for such childish wish fulfilment.

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>>292131906
>Odd Taxi doesn't have fan servi-

>>292132654
My first reaction to that scene was "Calm yer tits, missus!"

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>>292131906
#3, #4, and #6 have fanservice.
Never watched Gintama but I assume it has fanservice some where in its 400 episodes.
FMA and Frieren are light service due to being made by women.
Togashi and Araki are gay so they have male fanservice.
Never watch AOT past season 1 but I would guess it has weird fetish shit later on.

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If you knew where to look, Strike Witches was full of fanservice. We could do with more anime taking this sort of thing seriously

Rated by who? Because Steins;Gate almost had actual porn in the VN, just like Fate.
And Fate is still one of the biggest IPs.
Hell, even Pokemon and Dragon Ball have fanservice.
But I do miss battle harem and epic stuff like Queen's Blade and Valkyrie Drive.

>>292133542
And now look at how abysmal the state SK is in currently

>>292133957
Yea because a story can’t have fanservice and a compelling story. Just come out the closet already

>>292132022
Hello Saar!

>>292132115
this :D

>>292132125
Got wasn't actually erotic or appealing thats the difference

>>292132258
How do you feel when you go outside?

>>292135100
These rankings are meaningless if it can just be broken down by season/cour/part. What a retarded website.

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>>292131906
The most popular series in HISTORY do have fanservice tho
>Dragon Ball
>One Piece
Even those who are only super popular in Japan like Kochikame and Urusei Yatsura have fanservice, only MAL and Murrican sites have an anti fanservice bias

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>>292135276
>posting titles from pre covid era
Not relevant anymore in the new world post 2020.
Everything has to be feminized emasculated sterilized for women to consume now in order to sell.

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>>292135282

>>292134027
Name a single good anime that has egregious fanservice

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>>292135276
things have changed

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I like my fanservice story relevant

>>292135276
Based

>>292131906
Highly rated where? On normalfag sites? No fucking surprise retard-kun.

>>292133446
Funny, because that's just happens irl
https://www.youtube.com/@panpianoatelier/videos
Set the videos to oldest, and you will see her wearing normal clothes. Nowadays all her videos are in cosplay and does suggestive poses on the thumbnail.
3DPD are all whores, stick to 2d girls.

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>>292132080
>the only presentation of sexuality in media should be actual pornography
absolutely degenerate

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>>292136230
goonbrained incel
all anime should be safe for our children to watch
sexuality is bad because it gives boys unrealistic standard and hurt girls' feeling

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>>292135100
reminder mal tweaks rating, so posting about mal ratings makes you look like a fool

>>292137356
All sites tweak their ratings or they simply don't show any score that isn't the highest. What anime is this?

Reading this thread just convinces me this board should've been deleted 10 years ago. The kind of absolute fucking cretins posting here makes me physically ill.

>>292131906
It's partially because westerners have been trained to associate fanservice with automatically being bad. Despite how people talk on tiktok, the culture has become overwhelmingly puritanical.

>>292135100
Not a single good anime in the top 5.

>>292137970
>the culture has become overwhelmingly puritanical
Modern culture in regards to sexuality is just weird.
People will reflexively complain about any depiction of sexuality in shows, but at the same time "rawdogging" and "glazing" will become mainstream slang and stats like the amount of people choking their partners have reached ridiculous numbers due to porn.

>>292132258
there was some insane collar bone, should, arm and pit service in the first episodes tho

>>292132604
Now you're getting it.

You ever notice that posts talking about normalfags never have anything important to say?

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>>292131906
The older I become the more I appreciate it.

I've watched a lot of shows and nowdays I want soul and good stories that I can be proud of and share with people. The ecchi and porn can be left for the fans to make, or you can just have separate shows for that like Chained Soldier or Redo of the Healer, which is just ecchi and still great.

We don't need ecchi and porn shit everywhere. It ruins it, it makes it also impossible to take Anime seriously as an interesting medium. See Made in Abyss, complete and absolutely ruined a great story/worldbuilding because the author is a complete and turbo gooner retard. I say this even as a BA lolibro but the story wasn't made for that, it completely disrupts the entire thing.
Anime deserves to be more than just a porn Otaku thing, both can coexist and is still great.

>>292131906
>you never noticed that i told a blatant lie?

Yeah anon, i noticed. Here's your free you.

>>292138476
>posts one of the shows that makes people know you are 100% a pedo

>>292132604
Don't forget the performative males

>>292139195
The Ichigos have fan service yes, and despite being a cute and funny show (seriously) I can't recommend it to anyone without them thinking what you just said, so thanks for proving the point I guess.

>>292135402
Code Geass
It's a classic for a reason

>>292139739
your point is "i wish shows were safe so i can show it to my normalnigger friends!", so you are saying that you'd prefer Ichigo Mashimaro to be sanitised and castrated than what it is now

>>292132053
I dont talk about anime with my casual watching friends. They are fine watching isekai.

>>292135276
DB used to have fanservice but it dropped off completely midway after a quarter of the story was done

>>292132521
The nusharty supports ‘p now.

>>292140915
The point is not contaminating works where ecchi and fan service don't belong and where they end up dragging the entire thing down. The ichigos are a cute show, not ecchi. They could do without fan service, but in any case it isn't the worst offender anyway and is still a cute awesome show.

MiA's case is far worse.

>Normalnigger friends
Nothing wrong with having friends (real friends not 4chan chuds or discord) that want to watch anime without jerking off or feeling they're watching some pseudo porn. Stop dragging anime down to just your masturbation habits please.

>>292131906
>highley rated
Faggot.

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>>292137511
>What anime is this?

>>292143088
nta but not every anime is a gateway anime and it shouldn't be.
It would be terrible if every series was made for the masses

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>>292135402
>Name a single good anime that has egregious fanservice

>>292143537
I'm getting misunderstood.
For me, it's not only about sharing it with "normal people" but primarily that sometimes the ecchi or fan service just doesn't fit the theme and sticks out like sore thumb, which makes it feel like It drags the entire thing down, even if I'm not going to share it with anyone it just sucks to me as a viewer (that was enjoying the show for other reasons).

I don't mind an occasional shot/fanservice like this >>292130535 because it's just not really that much, it's not disrupting if done very occasionally. I like it. Now, fucking Made in Abyss talking about cocks all the time like Prushka talking about "Papa's rod" is just depressing as hell.
Like, I'm okay with Black Bullet having some degree of loli fanservice and I like it because Black Bullet is Black Bullet and is just a different kind of show and theme overall, yet still I wouldn't want it to be like I don't know, Chained Soldier. That's just me idk.

>>292135820
Okay, while I get your mentality, where is the "non-normalfag" rating site, anon? Where is the official "not a total faggot" ratings kept so we can end this debate once and for all?

Because if 3x3 threads are any indication, it ain't this fucking place. This is normalfaggot hell.

>>292132258
They'll put your real name on the tombstone.

>>292143537
I agree, not every anime can be for newcomers. There's gateway anime, and then there's the stuff for connoisseurs, the top-shelf stuff -- like Hell Mode: The Hardcore Gamer Dominates in Another World with Garbage Balancing.

>>292132001
Yeah, regular people aren't able to know beauty if you threw it into their goddamn face. Thanks fir stating the obvious.

>>292131906
You sure bro?

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>>292131906
Bro?

>>292131906
>shit taxi
>bochi the reddit
Neither top 10 material

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>>292131906
Brah?

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>>292131906
Bruh?

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>>292131906
You where saying?

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>>292131906
???

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>>292143852
meanwhile there are people who find the ecchi addition a bonus, not a downside.

It looks like you haven't considered that you might not be the targeted audience. Not every series should cater to you specifically. People like different thing, don't try and force your taste onto others

>>292144177
>The target audience are not the people enjoying the story, the character or the show but rather the porn addicts that are looking for fan service in normal non-ecchi shows
Uhh no. Onimai is not Made in Abyss. Chained Soldier is not Made in Abyss. No one complains about these shows because if you watch them you know what you're getting. Anime is more than just a pseudo porn medium and not everything needs to cater to otaku masturbation habits

>>292144288
and not everything needs to cater to normalfags

>>292131906
>highly rated
>caring about what normalniggers think
>>292132115
faggot, get out

>>292143088
I agree that anime doesn't have to always feature softcore porn but MiA would be incomplete without the part you deem "tasteless". You will always looks like a weirdo freak for liking anime to people who can't handle fanservice. I can tell my friends that I like MiA and recommend it to them without worrying because they aren't retarded cattle fighting a culture war

>>292131906
You don't need fan service. There's nothing wrong with having it but it isn't necessary to make a good series and complaining about its presence or lack thereof is gay.

>>292135100
Frieren FMAB and S;G are all such slop it's amazing that this is what MALfags think are the top 3 anime of all time.

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>>292131929
Post more

>>292136230
anime fan service is a presentation of sexuality as a BB gun is a self defense weapon, you probably just can't have the real thing for whatever reason, but you still can't bring it in to school

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>>292131906
Kill every faggot complaining about fanservice at this point. Every last one is retarded cancer.

>>292146173
>MiA would be incomplete without the part you deem "tasteless".
How does Prushka talking about 'Papa's rod' make any sense in the context of MiA? We're not talking about some random fanservice shot in a shower but complete random inserted dialogue that has absolutely nothing to do with anything

> they aren't retarded cattle fighting a culture war
Holy shit this nonsense again.
YOU are the one having some culture war in your mind against muh normalfags to not realize how fucking out of place the fetishes are in MiA. They do not make any fucking sense. Fanservice may only fit a normal show if it's subtle, occasional and goes along the context well, otherwise it brings the entire shit down into porn ecchi level.

>>292131906
They also aren't any good

I really want to castrate ALL Filipinos and Worst koreans for pushing their shitty societal morality that governs their cuck lives on everyone.

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>The anons here are just shitposting, they aren’t that castrated

>>292132115
>ermmm anon likes anime about a little girl??? is he a diddy blud pdf?!

>>292133372
bocchi the rock primary fags are so funny

literally noone heard about or cared about this shitnga prior to when it was given a god tier anime adaptation which removed a lot of the fanservice slop

>>292146816
Everyone on mal is a tasteless normalfag, that's why the top list looks like that.

>>292132115
>Anime that I can't watch together with my kids, wife, families, colleagues and bosses is bad anime, period.
Perfect Blue has no fanservice and I dare you to watch it with your family anyway lmao I watched it with my mom next to me and the experience was twice as dreadful
Same goes for most anime of the early 2000s, try to watch Texhnolyze or Mushishi with your family.

>>292145305
>caring about what normalniggers think
The stakeholders and investors who decided what anime should be made and how they must tone down the sex and nudity to reach wider audience are all normalniggers, gooner.
Even if your beloved gooner anime director wants to draw sex and nudity, if they say no it means no.
These normalniggers are the one holding power in the industry.

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>>292131906
>highly rated
I don't care what tourists think!

>>292132212
>typically
And yet it did have that. Quite a few times.

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>>292131906
U wot m8?

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>>292131906
U fookin wot m8?

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>>292131906
U FOOKIN wot m8??

>>292132544
Yes sharty shartyjack sharteens underage seaniggers numbermonkeys holotrannies belong in the >>>/trash/ because thier opinions come from gen alpha-Z castrated normalfaggots teenagers and young adults.>>292134650
And Frieren has no fanservice because is trrying to appeal to covid normalfaggots that doesn't like fanservice like the retarded sjw wokes niggers they are. And Frieren is biggest Mary Sue since Rey Skywalker of Star wars garbage new sequels. That level of censorship normalfaggots want to anime and manga. And fanservice is no childish being ingrained in otaku culture since the beginning of Osamu Tezuka works.Mal garbage is indicative of popularity and redpilled manga anime in the world.

>>292152550
And Malfags are redditors. So opinions don't matter

>>292131906
Frieren could be the textbook definition of "mid". Its not bad, but its certainly not good either. The whole show is a vehicle for inane tidbits masquerading as some deep wisdom or philosophy, all of it carefully crafted for maximum normalfag appeal. Emotional music at the right times so the redditors know when they're supposed to cry and laugh, and constant clippable zoomer-centric aura farming moments instead of any real logic or internal consistency to the universe.

I cannot say Frieren is "good" until it ends because most manga fuck the landing, so take in account this could be the most wasteful disappointing shit to watch when all comes to an end.
Second Frieren is mostly about the visuals, because characters are never challenge in their ideas, opinions or way of doing things: Frieren had one (1) cathartic revelation on episode 1 and everything else that happen to her is just a confirmation of her way of thinking now. Fern and Stark are stagnant characters, they don't change, they don't move, all characters are already where they need to be and emotional progress its impossible. They're always right, their only minuscule fumbles only arise from the most inconsequential of misunderstandings. Is a show about flat characters in a flat world.
But everything its very pretty.

Have you heard how all pop music now sounds the same? Because, quoting the study, "as music becoming increasingly formulaic in terms of instrumentation under increasing sales numbers due to a tendency to popularize music styles with low variety and musicians with similar skills." Risk can turn people off from things, art that challenges the viewer always risk alienating a major part of the audience.
So nothing in Frieren will ever challenge you, every beat, every episode, every threat will always be more or less the same, Frieren will always be right, no one will ever need to grow, is a safespace for you to watch pretty fights and pretty backgrounds with pretty music.

>>292150297
>>292150544
Why the fuck i want to watch Genocyber or any show like Made in Abyss with my family or friends. Covid alpha-genz are the biggest faggots in the world. They are castrated.

>>292132258
based Watsukipilled

>>292133070
>Game of Thrones treats these topics with the "air of gravitas" that they deserve
>Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water.

>>292131906
you ever notice how every once in a while you come across someone that you shouldn't have fucked with
*spits*
that's me

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>>292133681
More than Naruto? maybe, but definitely no more than Bleach or OP.

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>>292153509
Don't know why kishi was so anti fanservise. At least his brother wasn't afraid to draw tits.

>>292138476
>The older I become the more I appreciate it.
This guy is like 19, btw, trying to act like some wise old sage.

>>292138476
>it makes it also impossible to take Anime seriously as an interesting medium
if an author wants to draw tits and ass in his art then let him do it, that's what art is about. if you don't appreciate it then don't read or watch it. do you go to museums and complain that the statues aren't fully clothed?
>ARE THOSE BARE TITS ON A STATUE??!?! HOW CAN I EVER TAKE IT SERIOUSLY NOW?!?!

>>292131906
False.

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>>292153777
Teenage tits at that

>>292132233
me having sex with big tiddy anime females

I totally care about the average opinion

>>292131906
They don’t have lolis, age gaps, or incest either.

>>292132258
>Anti fanservice anon posts one of the most politically extreme mangaka around
Wow what a fucking surprise

>>292132022
Wouldn't it be high t? Like if you can get off to something unconventional, that plus normal stuff means you're MORE horny. Same logic why fat-girl lovers boast about being extra virile

>>292155898
>They don’t have lolis, age gaps, or incest either.
SpyxFamily is one of the most mainstream series around and it has both a sexualized loli (Becky) and a siscon (Yuri).

>>292154354
They can do whatever the fuck you want, but sometimes some authors/directors are complete retards and ruin a good atmosphere introducing random fanservice that just doesn't fucking fit

>>292131906
Did you forget shows like Interspecies Reviewers, Gushing over Magical Girls, or Redo of Hero?

>>292156361
"I don't like it" != "It's bad".
You have no right to call them retards for following their lewd dreams.

>>292135276
Maybe the secret ingredient is having fanservice for women too so noone has reason to complain.

>>292156726
>Maybe the secret ingredient is having fanservice for women too so noone has reason to complain.
Just have all the fanservice be of adults instead of minors or characters that look like minors (9000 year old loli dragons) and no one will give a fuck. Just don’t be weird.

>>292156777
Word. And don't make everything a mere vessel for fanservice, instead focus on story and characters and put in fanservice when the opportunity naturally occurs.

>>292142083
They sort of poke at the idea of fanservice in some of the super movies, but nothing really notable

>>292156482
only 4chan watched that slop

>>292135402
Gurren Laggan, I actually do think Yokos outfit was a bit much but that doesn't make the fanservice bad it makes it bad that it was delivered in that way, instead they should have had her wear a more normal outfit but found excuses to get her out of it more often

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>>292132115
This.
Made in Abyss could have been a multi millionaire IP with dozens of collaboration campaigns e.g. theme park, travel, kids toy, etc..
But the mangaka choose to burn it all to ground because he wants to draw porn of underage children.
What a retard.
Why the fuck doesn't the publisher just cancel him and take over his work?

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>>292132233
The one where I breed Xiaolan nonstop!

>>292131906
The problem isn’t fanservice itself, it’s fanservice of minors.

>>292132001
keep putting grippers like those in front of normies and that will change

>>292131906
Frieren is extremely overrated though, it's comfyslop with no substance.

>>292157945
>author is not a sellout
>this somehow makes amerigoys angry

>>292152550
>sharty shartyjack sharteens
You mean non-pedos?

>>292157945
oh no, we lost out on the corporate machine sucking out the soul of yet another IP so it can parade it's corpse around theme parks and such. the horror. people like you existing is dystopian as fuck

>>292160252
>pedos
He was talking about people who can separate fiction from reality; the people you defend can only project.

>>292143088
It’s truly pathetic seeing the mental gymnastics you people perform just so you don't have to admit what you're actually watching. At least the e-celebs you supposedly hate have the cover of self-aware irony. Who the fuck are you to say ecchi and fanservice "doesn't belong" in the story the author penned themselves? Apart from the glaringly obvious fact that your series is geared toward lolicon interests, the mangaka, Barasui, got his start doing lolicon doujinshi. Pretending the fundamentalaesthetic appeal and artistic lineage isn't rooted in the sexualized depiction of pre-adolescent girls for an adult male otaku audience is embarrassingly dishonest.

To do away with the art style, the tropes, the implied sexual innuendo, the raunchy humor, and the specific ways the characters are showcased is to disembowel basically everything the series was intentionally built upon. You can try as hard as you want to frame the parts that make you uncomfy as a "weird quirk of the author" or a "bizarre artistic choice," but it's still inherently fetishistic media, and your normalnigger friends are still going to think you're a weirdo either way.

>>292132053
ReZero lost popularity after s2 started the trend of "Emilia's boobs physics" and "Peeking under the skirt of the twins".

Sexless cucks who get panic attacks when they’re even remotely reminded that they don’t have sex. Simple as.

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>>292135100
Everything in that list is made after 2000.
1980 has the golden age of Fanservice.

>>292160617
Spoken like a true pedo.