How do I go from 1 to 5 or at least 4? Internal monologues and overthinking are killing me
>>31686644Wait, isn't it completely optional whether you imagine the apple or not?Thought you could just not imagine the apple if you didn't want to
>>31686644Paradoxically, you need to relax to the point of half-sleep and learn how to achieve that state at will. That's where dreams enter your mind's eye.
>>31686690It's not about the apple for me, it's about clearing my head and becoming still>>31686711But how do I do it? I tried weed, meditations, cold showers, breathing techniques
>>31686742Stop trying for a bit. Relax using whatever, without "trying to see shit". This means that some time may pass (minutes, hours, days, I don't know) where you don't see shit. Accept it and relax.When shit does finally appear at random, you need to notice your level of relaxation at that moment. The first few times, you will immediately tense up and it will go away. Notice that as well. In time, you will get better at maintaining that level of relaxation unaided.
Protip;jack off only from memory
>>31686742>it's about clearing my head and becoming stillWeird, is this necessary to achieve what you asked for in your OP?Part of me thinks that the image in your OP just comes from a misunderstandingLike I can visualize the apple however I want, but it lives as a fabricated image in my "mind's eye" not my actual eyesIt's different from hallucinating a visual. I can do this with my eyes open, and my vision isn't interrupted.The apple is kind of tough to talk about since there's no utility to it, but when I was a kid, I used to play around with all kinds of little handheld puzzles. Some Rubik's cubes, some of those rope puzzles, the ones where you have to dismantle this crazy object that looks impossible to dismantleYou would sit there and hold it and rotate it around in your head as well as in real life. You use your memory and imagination to "see" the entire thing from every angleAre you really unable to visualize things? How do you navigate the world? Sometimes I see things that look like they screw on to or otherwise attach to something else, and I can only find a use for that thing by visualizing where it goes
>>31686644I went to an eye doctor and they taught me how to do this. I can't remember what we did though. It's possible but you'll have to keep looking anon.
>>31686644The OP picture is unrelated to internal dialog. I found that meditation (picrel) , half an hour a day, made me consciously aware, in everyday life, of thoughts and feelings as objects/processes inside me and not "me." That shift in perspective makes it much easier to gently let go of unwanted thoughts. That in turn means less internal dialog.For fun you might also try Hakalau, as described in an image I'll post after this one.
>>31688208Hakalau, number 2 on the list.
>>31686644Hey OP. I’ll try to keep it simple to grasp:Overthinking and maladaptive daydreaming is a learned coping mechanic from external stress. Think of a turtle. It feels uneasy? Wow it climbed into its own shell.Same is true with humans but we don’t have shells we have minds. If a man stays in that mind shell for a long time it means he has been stressed for a long time. He can get good at visuialising, deep thinking, lateral thinking, critical thinking this way.But all thoughts are worthless unless acted upon, even good thoughts. So if man does not climb out his shell, then he becomes a passenger of life, never the driver.How to stop? Find out what stresses you and then mitigate it. Either by good coping mechanisms or avoiding the stressors entirely. Those stressors can be from people. Circumstances. Bad habits. Past pains; physical or emotional. You name it.Manage those and you can climb out your shell more. It’s scary at first, a bit blinding, like coming out of plato’s cave, but it’s doable. Understand this: What I speak is real. It is not a concept, it is not another toy for your mind to play with. It is reality. Also. It’s okay to climb back in your mind to cope so long as you keep up with trying again. That’s all.
