>>32225481
why you not want fetus?

>>32225481
Raise your kids well as a loving parent and then your suicidal urges will go away.

>>32225482
>>32225485
Reproduction is immoral.
>>32225481
Yes, you should definitely abort. Try travelling to a country where it's legal to abort. Speak to abortion activists in your country about your options. It's important that people you speak to are pro abortion.

>>32225482
It was an accident, he is too young and i dont have family support a job neither him, he are completely fucked he is already trying to kill himself i simply cant, i need to escape i need to fix this i cant i cant

>>32225504
How far along are you?

>>32225504
If you tell us your country I can help you look for resources for abortion and who to contact about it.

>>32225497
You don't know what morality is, you fucking psycho

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>>32225525
Read David Benatar. He explains how it's immoral in detail. I am not a psycho.

>>32225513
2 months or something i discovered recently i have some uterus problems i was on pills
>>32225523
Brazil

>>32225525
This.

Should've wore a condom.

>>32225504
>he's going to kill himself
>I'm going to kill myself
>I'm going to kill the baby
Maybe try to find a way to make your life work that doesn't involve killing one or more person?

>>32225538
>>32225497
Existence is fucking beautiful, and fuck you.
>>32225525
This.

>>32225542
Columbia has legal abortion up to 24 weeks. Can you travel to Columbia?

>>32225481
You probably can't abort in a safe way
Spend the next 7 months looking for ways to have the kid adopted after you give birth
Babies are the most likely to get adopted

>>32225624
He's right and you do not have a counterargument. Existence is not worth it.

>>32225631
>t. genetic trash

>>32225644
You're not wrong about that but it's not an argument against antinatalism. In fact, it works against you.

>>32225649
Actually being born is fucking based. I've reincarnated thousands of times already and I don't plan on stopping until I've transcended all suffering. Cope and sneed.

>>32225656
Being born is the worst thing that ever happened to me.

>>32225542
Read
https://nacla.org/underground-activists-brazil-fight-women%E2%80%99s-reproductive-rights
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/brazil-fight-abortion-decriminalize-supreme-court-lula-justice-weber-barroso/
That will give you some ideas on what you can do and who you could contact.
What you should do depends a lot on how far along your pregnancy is. You should act as quickly as possible, and the best way is to contact someone in your area who is experienced about such things and doesn't have any qualms about abortion, to ask what you should do given your situation.

>>32225669
You probably chose a shitty reincarnation on purpose. Everything is ultimately just an experience and there is no fundamental difference between a good experience and a bad experience. Obviously we as humans desire the former but this fact is only a facet of human perceptions. If you were a thousand years old, do you think that whatever is happening to you today would still be bothering you? It would all be something you've long moved past. The fact is that you don't have to live a thousand years to move past something, it is entirely a frame of mind.

>>32225701
>If you were a thousand years old,
I can't imagine living past 30.

>>32225701
>You probably chose a shitty reincarnation on purpose.
And the reason I say this is based off of many near death experiences where people are outright told that they chose their lives before they were born, from a place of greater wisdom, not even necessarily as punishment, but because it was what they wanted, that the suffering was intended to awaken something in them.

>>32225712
>off of many near death experiences
Hallucinations/dreams*
Citing a dream for anything is not as convincing as you think it is.

>>32225481
I bet OP is underage kek

>>32225716
>noooo you can't just rely on dreams and hallucinations for information
Wait until you realize that you're living in one

>>32225481
Shouldn't have been a whore

>>32225481
I really feel for you OP, this is my worst nightmare. Firstly, how old are you? Are your parents religious anti-abortion scum? How poor are you?
If you have any chance of being able to travel to a country where it's legal (Argentina, Uruguay, Colombia it seems) then you can get pills shipped to Europe, and then somebody can mail them to you. Search "Women on Web".

DO NOT KEEP THE CHILD IF YOU HAVE TO GIVE BIRTH. It will become the worst thing that will ever happen to you.
Don't kill yourself. If you look hard and far enough (scour the internet, all social media you can find) then there will certainly be a way.

>>32225728
>>32225557
Genuine psychopaths.

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>>32225731
That's how I feel about whores. Instead of making yourself and another person happy for life, plus as many children as you two bring into this world, you go being a whore and ruin your brain, making you incapable of love. I think the sexual revolution has had a massive negative impact on the world and it deserves to be called out.

>>32225736
>plus as many children as you two bring into this world
Reproduction is immoral.

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>>32225649
I don't care about convincing anti-natalists, life denialists and subhumans can go kill themselves for all I care.

Also fuck kikes

>>32225729
>It will become the worst thing that will ever happen to you.
I have known many single mothers who had accidental babies and not one of them ever said that they regretted their child.

However, I have also known many women who, even decades after the fact, are still haunted and traumatized by their abortions. Killing your child is never something that leaves you.

>>32225729
>DO NOT KEEP THE CHILD IF YOU HAVE TO GIVE BIRTH. It will become the worst thing that will ever happen to you.
>Don't kill yourself.
100% agree with this.

>>32225745
Plain and simple fearmongering.

>>32225752
>Fearmongering
This coming from the person who tries to convince people that life is too hard to have babies and that life is so miserable that its best to just kill the unborn?

>>32225764
If it's a child with no support having to rear a child then yes, it has no future and nor does its child. They're Brazilian for fuck's sake, they're guaranteed to be poor, the child will probably not be well educated, and if it's a female then it'll probably end up in the same situation. It's just propagating misery. People who are miserable should not have kids because the kids WILL learn from them.

>>32225745
You are an evil person.

>>32225782
No, evil is to kill a human baby.

>>32225769
Well retard good thing OP isnt a child, 4chan is 18+ only.
>It has no future nor does its child
You probably don’t have much of one either, yet you live.
>They’re brazilian for fuck’s sake, they’re guaranteed to be poor
Lol I bet I can find happier childhoods from shithole tribal villages than what you had as a westerner.

>It’s just propogating misery
Nah you’re the one who does that every time you open your mouth or type a word.

>People who are miserable should not have kids because the kids WILL learn from them
Yes, like how you learned it too.

Just because you were born to dysfunctional parents doesn’t mean life sucks for everyone else. Boo fucking hoo, you had a crummy childhood and now you think procreation is bad just because you got dealt a bad hand.

Learn to adapt and survive, persevere and overcome, all that good shit. It’s what I did and I was probably born to similar shit conditions to you as well.

>>32225797
Are you male?

>>32225802
Not going to answer that one, I already know what you’re going to attempt, you’ll play the pain/privilege olympics and do that progressivist mentally ill shit where you denigrate someone’s suffering comparative to another person’s suffering just to justify your whole point about killing babies.

>>32225797
>4chan is 18+ only.
18 year olds are functionally children who don't know anything about the world. Even 18 year olds should not have children.
>Just because you were born to dysfunctional parents
You're implying OP wouldn't be a dysfunctional parent you illiterate fucktard.

>>32225782
I go to sleep every night thankful for my loving children who I sacrifice everything for.

If you hate life that's your perogative but don't try to tell me that everyone should suffer as much as you.

>>32225811
Based

>>32225813
Do you support euthanasia and easy access to suicide?

>>32225812
>You're implying OP wouldn't be a dysfunctional parent you illiterate fucktard.

Absolutely, yes. Because I believe in OP, I believe they don’t have to be condemned to a horrible life just because they had a baby. In fact I think that baby can become a reason for happiness, for purpose, for meaning. Good things can come out of bad situations.

And also, fuck you for condemning someone to dysfunction, as if they are permanently stuck to dysfunction with no hope. Plenty of people in worse have persevered and broke through dysfunction.

>>32225811
No, I just want to say that males should have no right to speak about something that they don't have to deal with. If a man doesn't want a child, he can just walk away (though I will admit a lot of the time will have to pay for the child). If a woman doesn't want a child, she has to deal with the physical consequences, and if she is alone after it is born, then she has no choice to be a slave for the next two decades to come. "Happy" single mother is an oxymoron, but you would have no way to even empathise because this isn't something you'll ever have to be afraid of happening to you.

>>32225825
Not the anon but sure why not. The people who don't like it just don't do it that's it. Don't see the point in not having it since again it would be only tho those who want it

>>32225828
>No, I just want to say that males should have no right to speak about something that they don't have to deal with.

By that logic, you are not OP. So you can stop posting because you don’t have to deal with what OP os going through. So stop posting.

>>32225827
>that baby can become a reason for happiness, for purpose, for meaning
NTA but the baby only becomes the meaning/purpose because the mother will lose her identity and have no time to do anything but care for it 24/7, now a husk of a human.

>>32225812
NTA
>18 year olds are functionally children who don't know anything about the world. Even 18 year olds should not have children.
Throughout almost all of history, people were made soldiers, kings, and generals, and led nations and armies at the age of 14-16. Alexander the Great saved his father's life on the battlefield at this age.
>You're implying OP wouldn't be a dysfunctional parent you illiterate fucktard.
People are individuals and make their own paths in life. I had a shit upbringing but that just made me more determined not to do the shitty things that people had done to me. If you think that a person has to "repeat the cycle" because "it's how I was raised" then you're an NPC incapable of self-reflection and independent thoughts.

>>32225828
>woman doesn't want child
An abortion exist. Sure in ops case it's illegal but to say that a woman doesn't want a child and can't do much is kinda wrong since abortions are a thing. Nta

>>32225837
>Will lose her identity
She gains one, ‘mother’. Much better identity than ‘baby killer’. Also just be more blunt about your views so we can know what you really are.

You care more about ego than life. That’s what you mean by identity. You don’t like selflessness, you don’t like sacrifice, or accountability, or being responsible for the greater good of something outside of yourself. It’s an affront to your precious ‘identity’, and so you’d gladly kill a baby to protect that identity.

>>32225851
ur a man lol stfu

>>32225825
I believe in the right to refuse medical care. If someone is unable to sustain a natural life without life support, it is reasonable to request the plug be pulled. I don't believe an unborn child has the ability to consent to being euthanized.

>>32225841
>kings and soldiers at the age of 14-16
Nta, that's cause of upbringing and needing to grow up faster than people have to grow up nowadays depending on circumstances.
>cycles
This would mostly depend on the individual as well. Some people try to break a cycle so hard that they end up in it anyways. Some people can break it and others can't. Just cause you could doesn't mean everyone else can as well.

>>32225481
Go look for advice somewhere else and make sure to ignore the anti-abortion vermin.
They don't give a fuck about what is going to happen to the mother and the baby after it's born, and knowing how retarded they are, they don't know either how it is to live in Brazil, especially for those who are abandoned by their families and partners.
They will never understand our material conditions.

It's your body, your life and your choice to make. Call or look for local feminist groups as soon as possible for proper guidance.


>>32225797
>Well retard good thing OP isnt a child, 4chan is 18+ only.
Were you born yesterday? Kids lie about their ages and invade adult spaces all the time.
Also, kill yourself. Your suffering is nothing more than whining. You can just get someone pregnant and bail, while the woman, or often the teen girl, will have to bear with the consequences all by herself.

>>32225851
Kill yourself, I know you'd abandon your partner the moment you accidentally get her pregnant, if you ever manage to get one.
What are you doing to help those kids abandoned by their fathers, since you care so much about life? You wouldn't even be willing to marry a single mother and help keep life going.

>>32225828
>No, I just want to say that males should have no right to speak about something that they don't have to deal with.
If men weren't involved then you'd be an amoeba replicating involuntarily by binary fission. If a child is a man's son or daughter, he has a say.
>If a man doesn't want a child, he can just walk away. If a woman doesn't want a child, she has to deal with the physical consequences, and if she is alone after it is born, then she has no choice to be a slave for the next two decades to come.
Or how about this: both of you stop trying to escape from your lives and responsibilities and instead try to live a life for the wellbeing of someone other than your own black-hearted selves. Everything you are saying is built on the assumption that everyone hates eachother and their children and the best life is one of immediate gratification
>"Happy" single mother is an oxymoron, but you would have no way to even empathise because this isn't something you'll ever have to be afraid of happening to you.
How about you become a happy wife instead? You have to find the man responsible and marry him. If he's not willing to marry you, self-reflect and ask yourself why you gave yourself to someone like that.

>>32225851
Nta but I don't get people who make all the mentioned some identity. You aren't a person you simply becomes someone who would let these be used for the benefit of others. "Mother" isn't an identity, it's just what you are rather than who. I have a job. I'm a "worker". This isn't an identity. It's just what I am due to having a job. It's not who I am.

>>32225878
You know jack shit.

>What are you doing to help to kids abandoned by their fathers
Not killing them in the womb for a start

>>32225878
Based

>>32225867
>Just cause you could doesn't mean everyone else can as well.
Do I have some magic powers? Some hidden knowledge? You have just as much ability to control your own life as I do.

>>32225891
Then there would be more kids abandoned by their fathers kek

>>32225895
There's many factors to this other than "I can do why can't you"

>>32225891
Why do you want so many single mothers?

>>32225897
Raise your own kids and you'll be helping the problem. You can not reasonably expect everyone else to bear all your responsibilities for you.

And murdering babies isn't being responsible.

>>32225897
Nah, it’d just mean the kid gets abandoned by father and then finally, fatally rejected by mother. Momma deals the killing blow

>>32225906
he doesn't like the fact that women are getting a little too much freedom to choose what they do with their lives nowadays

>>32225907
Nta but how is it not? If a person recognize that they can't take care of a child, much less themselves, than how is it more responsible to bring another life into this world while being unable to support yourself?

>>32225909
KEK

>>32225906
I don't like some people. Should I bump them off? It would make my life easier. Single mothers have it bad, but I have problems too. If murder is an acceptable means to improve your life, what's wrong with murdering someone you don't like?

>>32225910
Probably. Could also be a person that has some extreme views or extreme obligations towards life or something.

>>32225906
What’s wrong with single mothers? Should we abort them too?

>>32225910
>too much freedom
Abortion is an act of despair, not freedom. Also can you please get some help I can smell your father issues through the screen

OP, it’s your body and you decide. If you’re able to travel to the nearby country with better healthcare, do that asap. The father should at least help you financially to proceed with the abortion. Do you think he can do that?

>>32225918
This is so retarded lol. There's a difference between making your own life harder by choice and having someone you dislike. You can always stop talking or get away from said person. A single mother has to take care of a child for the rest of her life. Wether you see it as murder or not is irrelevant to the fact that bringing a child into this world while you are unable to support it is worse than simply never giving it that chance

>>32225915
You take care of the child to your dying breath. Even cats will run into a burning building to save their kittens. Why is it that beasts can love their children but you can't?

>>32225910
Yeah women should be free to murder whoever they want, I can't believe some people want to regulate women's trigger fingers.

>>32225933
>making your own life harder
Oh no life is hard. No more dopamine pleasure :( guess we should kill babies because I would prefer NOT to have to do hard things. Disney told me life was supposed to just be a hedonic treadmill of pleasure, living my best life, live laugh love :’(

>>32225933
>A single mother has to take care of a child for the rest of her life.
Why is that? Is there a floating hand that will crush you if you don't?

Could it be because she's the child's mother?

Could it be because there is a moral responsibility you have to the life you created?

>>32225923
>abort mothers
What lmao. There's nothing wrong with single mothers. I never said there was. I simply asked why the anon wants so many since he simply wants women to have the child no matter their circumstances.

>abortion is an act of despair
Um..how? An abortion is simply not having a child that you either don't want or are incapable of taking care of. Why is this such a bad thing? Cause you see it as murder? That's fine if you do but why force it on someone to have the child? Are you gonna take care of it? Didn't think so.

Thanks guys, I wasn't feeling too great but the sheer rage and adrenaline anti-abortionists instill in me allowed me continue getting some work done :)

>>32225952
Enjoy the manic high. Remember this moment 10 years from now when you have a baby on purpose with a husband. When you see your wanted baby and fall in love, you will remember you aborted one just like it. Enjoy the crippling post natal depression that comes with abortion regret. Don’t say you weren’t given a heads up

>>32225934
It has nothing to do with love and more with capability. I'm someone that would probably end up having it sure and I woild take care of it as i do seebit as my responsibility. But I dont see the problem with a person choosing not to if they see themselves unfit for it. It wouldn't be you doing it no? Ho help single mothers then if you care so much and want to push the child on people. Go adopt the unwanted children. But you won't cause at the end of the day you don't aee it as your responsibility but want to push it on someone who can make a choice not to

>>32225963
I've.. never had an abortion? Lmao. I'm gonna get sterilised as soon as I can though.

>>32225944
There's a difference between life being hard and making it harder on yourself. You can't be so stupid to not see the difference come on.

>>32225969
>Lmao. I'm gonna get sterilised as soon as I can though.
Congrats. Most people wouldn’t do that to their dogs. But you do you bestie. At least you won’t be in the gene pool

>>32225949
>I simply asked why the anon wants so many since he simply wants women to have the child no matter their circumstances.
NTA but we're the ones who want strong, healthy families with fathers and mothers.

We say, men and women should be married, not live in a culture of casual sex.

You say, no that impedes my freedom.

We say, if you have a child, you are responsible for the life you created.

You say, no, this impedes on my freedom.

If you had followed our first piece of advice you would not be in a situation where you are talking about the second. You are creating single mothers, and killing children in utero, and doing all these things because you can't accept something as basic as taking responsibility for your own actions.

>>32225944
You are utterly retarded. Who gave you the right to decide what’s best for a woman’s body? OP has every right to do what’s necessary for her to live her own life. In the future she might want a baby but now it’s not the best timing and that is ok.

Besides, if you would have a wife and she would get pregnant as a result of rape, would you force her to keep the baby? Or her life would be in danger because of the childbirth? How about heavily deformed fetuses that would die the moment they are out? Would you force a woman, knowing she’s gonna trash the newborn or kill it?

Sometimes abortion is the only good choice.

>>32225964
>they see themselves unfit for it.
A fucking cat can do it but you can't? Are you less competent than a cat?
>It wouldn't be you doing it no? Ho help single mothers then if you care so much and want to push the child on people. Go adopt the unwanted children. But you won't cause at the end of the day you don't aee it as your responsibility
I am raising my own children. I have children right now that I am supporting financially. Why on earth should I bear the weight of the world and not just take care of my own responsibilities but also yours as well? Grow up and take care of your own responsibilities.

>>32225994
>In the future she might want a baby but now it’s not the best timing and that is ok.

For her sake she better hope not. Cognitive dissonance is a bitch. She’ll have to smile and pretend she didn’t kill a baby while loving and cherishing the one she did keep.

>Who gave you the right to decide what’s best for a woman’s body?
Who gave you the right to kill a baby?

>>32225980
So you want people to only have sex to procreate? Will probably say no to this one. So you want people to get married with who they have sex with?

>casual sex
I dont do this. But it's a reality. And what you want isbto force consequences so your way of life is deemed better. We have free will and choices and you want to limit those based on your beliefs. You can have your beliefs but idk why try so hard to force on people.

>>32225994
>Who gave you the right to decide what’s best for a woman’s body?
Retard.

If you're killing a baby it has nothing to do with a woman's body, it is someone else's body now.

>>32226002
Answer my questions, anon, instead of asking me questions.

>>32226001
>A fucking cat can do it but you can't? Are you less competent than a cat?
ok you know what I can't even be bothered you're so unfathomably retarded if you think cats have anywhere near as many things to worry about in life sincerely fucking kill yourself

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>>32226008
Your questions are barbed with pretentious poisonous shit. I do not respect your question. I asked you a question to show you how flawed your one was.

Who gave you the right to kill a baby in the womb? Say it.

>>32226005
Well you have free will and you murder your children with it and you have that on your conscience forever.

I have an easy conscience. My advice to others is to have easy consciences as well by doing the right thing.

>>32226001
A cat needs food and water and some tit milk. That's it. Humans need more. Stop doing false equivalents.

>raising your own children
Then why care so much with what others do? Why carry the weight of the world? Cause you care and want to push it on people. Your thinking is why we have so many broken families and the reason for many orphans. Force people to have children they don't want and then be surprised they end up the way they do.

>>32226006
You call a bunch of cells a baby? In that case I can call more complicated viruses in my body human beings as well.

>>32225963
>Enjoy the crippling post natal depression that comes with abortion regret.
This is fantasy.

>>32226001
>I am raising my own children.
then why the fuck are you on this disgusting site, I fear for how your children will end up

>>32226027
> pA cat needs food and water and some tit milk. That's it. Humans need more. Stop doing false equivalents.

Nah thats about the same. Food, water, shelter, warmth. Same as cats. Unless you want to suggest binging Netflix is a biological necessity?

>>32226013
We live in a society where man is completely removed from nature and natural selection. Every part of this planet was made habitable by humans. But you still can't take care of your own kids because *mumble mumble stupid cats have it too good*.

>>32225481
Are you try going international for a legal abortion or going to an illegal clinic? You can always also try to cause damage so that it'll be a miscarriage.

>>32226019
I don’t have to ask anybody if I decide I don’t wanna keep a baby. No doctor, family member, my husband or God will decide for my body.

I still would like to hear your answers.

>>32226031
>I fear for how your children will end up
Stop pretending, no you don’t lol. You’d kill children in the womb just fine, why pretend to care how they end up in life when you got no problems when their skulls are caved in with forceps and tossed into a medical bin?

Also you shame that anon for being this disgusting site, yet here you are. What are you worried their kids will end up like (you)? Should you have been aborted?

I LOVE my existence and I WILL make another one that I WILL LOVE and I will do EVERYTHING for him/her. Fuck off.

>>32226038
>Every part of this planet was made habitable by humans
Therefore humans have it easy then? Therefore there aren't wars, famines, murder, rape, torture, every single moment of every single day? Humans are cursed with intellect. Cats are not, so they will not philosophise about their life, they will not cause themselves mental suffering, but it is inevitable for the human.

>>32226031
>then why the fuck are you on this disgusting site
Unironically to give good advice to zoomers living in a shitty world telling them to live lives of instant gratification with no deeper values
>I fear for how your children will end up
Oh how horrible, they will be raised with religious and family values, seek out a stable partner, and be loyal to them, and have a loving family same as my wife and I did. Yes it is truly terrible.

>>32226054
Okay great, worship yourself then. Be a supreme narcissist if it suits you.

>>32226063
>Should you have been aborted?
yea, and if you like me so little then surely you can see abortion isn't the worst idea.

>>32226066
Why? Because there is a war going on in Gaza therefore life is horrible and has to end everywhere?

The cat has it figured out better than you do.

>>32226069
mega LARP

>>32226029
YOU are a bunch of cells you retard. Is it okay to kill you? What do you think life is made up of on this planet?

>>32226076
>yea, and if you like me so little then surely you can see abortion isn't the worst idea.

I’d still not want to see you aborted. But thank you for being a case example for the real heart of the matter. People who can’t respect life in the womb always have self hatred issues. They can’t humanise themselves, so they do not humanise life on the womb. Maybe if you were taught how to love yourself or given a loving upbringing, you’d not be so quick to advocate baby murder.

>>32226086
>so mindbroken he literally can't conceive of a person who puts others first and lives a happy life as a result
You need to give love to get love

>>32226083
If you have any empathy for humans, it's hard to ignore the state of the world. I'm not saying just because there's a war, but because we are constantly made aware of all forms of suffering, and we either never cared, or are numbed by it eventually.

>>32226075
Not answering my questions is the proof that you would do nothing if your wife would be dying on the table. You would choose deformed fetus over a woman you swore to love and protect. It says a lot about you. I’m scared for your future possible wife, especially if she would have similar views to mine.

>>32226095
You're choosing to focus on the negative while ignoring all the positive parts of being alive. It's selective perception. Of course there are going to be painful moments in life but that's not what life is about and fear of them can't be what motivates your every decision.

>>32225538
We should kill all the Jews to prevent any future antisemitism.

>>32226098
Oh shut your fucking mouth and stop making shit up and pulling crazy scenarios out of your head. Not answering your questions isn’t proof I’d do nothing for my wife. Not answering your questions simply means I don’t like you and I find your questions to be extremely mind-numbingly stupid.

I can even predict what you’d answer if I were to answer your questions, you are like a soundbyte machine that regurgitates the same weak arguments parroted over and over. It’s boring. Has nothing to do with my wife. And no she does not have similar views to you, if she did, I’d not have married her. Because I like my women to be functional and able to fulfil their own biology.

>>32226112
I wish I could see the positive parts of being alive. I wish I knew. I've been depressed most of my life and I want to know why the people who enjoy living do so much. I know this thread is heated but if you actually have sincere advice then please go ahead.

>>32225481
put them up for adoption please
put them up for adoption please
you wil regret abortion. adoption is better

>>32226117
Ask her. Ask if she would want to give birth to the rape baby or deformed baby destined to die, or if she would want to sacrifice herself so the baby can live. But do that only if you’re ready for a divorce, because she might surprise you with her answer.

>>32226027
>Your thinking is why we have so many broken families and the reason for many orphans. Force people to have children they don't want and then be surprised they end up the way they do.
see >>32225980

I want to see a positive world filled with families who love eachother.

You are the one advocating pure selfishness, abandonment of spouses and murder of children, for self-gratification.

Ideally a woman will marry a competent, trustworthy man as soon as she is able, and have a happy life with him.

Some people make mistakes but part of making a mistake is also taking responsibilities for the results. The mistake isn't the child, the child is the natural result of sex. The mistake is choosing a poor partner who won't raise the child. Both are equally morally responsible to raise the child together in a healthy environment.

>>32226136
>Ask her. Ask if she would want to give birth to the rape baby or deformed baby destined to die, or if she would want to sacrifice herself so the baby can live. But do that only if you’re ready for a divorce, because she might surprise you with her answer.

Okay I will. Should I also ask her if she would still love me if I were a worm?

>>32226145
No need, I can reply. She wouldn’t.

>>32226150
>I can reply
Jesus no man of your own huh? You really have to shoehorn yourself and speak for wives on their behalf? Where is your husband?

>>32226165
I’m simply telling you that you might be surprised with what your woman has to say about it. Did you ask or she’s just your imaginary friend?

>>32226022
>>32226022
I have an easier conscience knowing that I didn't bring a child to suffer into this world since I'm unfit for it

>>32226139
How am I the selfish one for saying people can make their own choices? What you want isn't bad or anything. But you woild prefer to force that on people than to let them choose which is the problem here. Sure both have a responsibility but sometimes people lie and manipulate. So how can a person getaway round that? You can't.

this thread smells of woman hate

>>32226177
Nah I didn’t ask. I’m not going to either. And right now in my head as I type this I am reading out your future reply
>”See? That just proves that you know she would expect you to actually care about her choice and her body instead of deformed feetus! so you dont dare ask out of knowing you are wrong”

Something along those lines. And I’ll save you having to type: I’m not gonna ask her because I don’t value this interaction of ours. I don’t wipe my shoes on the rug, and I sure as shit don’t bring a question posed to me by some random crazy anons/femanon to my own family. It just ain’t gonna happen

>>32226201
Ok coward, enjoy your divorce when she tells you she won’t keep the baby.

>>32226037
Not Netflix but education and such. Being homeless you aren't gonna get mcub and living off the land is harder since there's private areas and such plus possible hazards.

>>32226125
Okay (honest answer)

>father dies when I am young
>mother is a narcissist
>she remarries a drunk narcissist
I am depressed at this point. Of course, as a child, I don't know I am depressed, I just don't seem to be able to fit in. I have no desires except being alone.
>try to get out of my shell, try to make friends, girlfriends
>try to be positive and kind to everyone
>kindness always gets taken advantage of, get betrayed, bullied
>luckily I am good looking, so girls come to me despite my lack of social skills, otherwise I'd still be a virgin. I always try to take the relationship seriously.
>first 2 girlfriends cheat on me
>I blame myself
I am suicidal at this point. I legitimately think the world is a horrible place and that nobody is able to be happy.
>finally graduate school
>move out
>get a good job
>get a loyal wife
>find faith in God
I am happy at this point
>have children
>spend the next years doing everything I can for them to make them happy
I am euphoric at this point, just seeing their smiling faces.

My lifelong depression legitimately went away when I left my shitty environment and found a new positive environment. It took 20 years, but that's how it happened. All the bad stuff just seems like a distant memory now.

AWALT

>>32226227
>>find faith in God
God isn't real, but I'm glad that faith makes it possible for some people to cope with their lives.
If you aren't larping then I'm happy for you.

>>32226227
I will never understand how religious people find happiness all cause they have faith in God. Nta

http://poal.me/m9f9v8

>>32226188
Become a monk then and try to transcend the world if you truly believe that. It's better not to have sex at all and instead to try to comprehend a way that you can find contentment from within.

>>32226197
Part of the problem is that society gives men a blank cheque to do this. Personally I believe in Mosaic law. Adulterers get stoned to death. The punishment is deliberately harsh as a deterrent. You may say that it's taking away freedom. It takes away freedom in the same way that outlawing murder or robbery is taking away freedom. You can't have a stable society where people are able to destroy the lives of other humans based on caprice. And yes this is a government issue because the government is the one protecting the culprits. A cheated-on spouse can't threaten their partner and an angry father or brother can't just go and threaten the life of a man who leaves their daughter/sister pregnant, they'd be arrested, so the government is implicitly protecting this behavior. If the government is protecting this behavior through their laws then they are also therefore morally responsible for preventing it through laws.

>>32226201
Nta but this is so grade a pussy behavior. There was never any value in any of this but you went along until the anon asked you that and now you're saying there's no value hence you won't answer it lol.

>>32226272
>monk
I don't even have sex lmao. I know self roast but still.

>law
Abortion is there dude. Also so you advocate for life. But wanna kill a cheater and a person who simply walked away from responsibility? This makes no sense. How can you advocate for a life being born no matter the circumstances but then wanna kill a cheater and a person who simply walked away from responsibility. If it was rare then sure but no it's simply someone abandoning a child

>>32226272
Also cheating isn't destroying someone's life. How would you be able to measure that? Some people off themselves based on a break up. Would you punish the person who initiated said break up? When you talk about laws like that it can be a slippery slope since many things can harm another person really deeply depending on the individual. Abortion as a choice means that pregnancy isn't life destroying.

>>32226289
>I don't even have sex lmao. I know self roast but still.
I don't think there's any shame in that. Baldwin the leper-king of Jerusalem, was seen as being holy because he was a virgin his entire life as a result of his affliction. People used to respect celibacy and look down on promiscuity. I still abide by that worldview.
>Abortion is there dude. Also so you advocate for life. But wanna kill a cheater and a person who simply walked away from responsibility? This makes no sense. How can you advocate for a life being born no matter the circumstances but then wanna kill a cheater and a person who simply walked away from responsibility. If it was rare then sure but no it's simply someone abandoning a child
A child is innocent while an adulterer makes a deliberate choice that comes from their own moral character. There is also the fact of deterrence: if people felt the risk wasn't worth it, they wouldn't do it. They would simply get married to a suitable partner rather than risk punishment sneaking around satisfying their lusts, and this would create a stable environment for future generations.

If this seems unreasonable, remember that this was how societies did things throughout the entire world throughout most of history. In many places this is still practiced and seen as a bedrock of society.

>>32226295
>Some people off themselves based on a break up. Would you punish the person who initiated said break up?
Ideally, there would be no divorce, but one would love their partner through good or bad until the end. I think that if you are required to stay with someone then you are also required to find a way to make it work. A woman should submit to her husband, and infidelity should be punishable, so there should be very little conflict.

>>32226309
>virgin respect
Thanks then I guess

>Deterrence
This would probably make more unhappy homes than happy ones tho. People woild stay together put of fear not love. Which would mean the relationship would already be bad. Could potentially create more rapists too. Not sure on that tho.

>>32226322
>A woman should submit to her husband
please kill yourself

>>32226325
>This would probably make more unhappy homes than happy ones tho. People woild stay together put of fear not love. Which would mean the relationship would already be bad.
My own marriage had good times and bad but both my wife and I agreed from the start, based on our own personal morals, that we don't believe in divorce. There are times when I wanted a divorce and when she wanted one, but in the end it is just a matter of finding common ground or accepting things as they are. Because we both knew that neither of us would leave, it worked out, because it was either work them out or be miserable. And truth be told the issues seem trivial in retrospect. A major part of the stress was just related to the circumstances we were living in rather than any sort of issue with the other person.

>>32226348
Glad it worked for you. But this whole let's stay together no matter what can be unhealthy. Sure it worked for you but that's cause of you and your circumstances. Other could be worse or non salvageable

>>32226329
It is a simple fact of nature that anything that is equal will fight to establish a hierarchy. A woman cannot be equal to a man because this will naturally create hostility between the two. A benevolent leader takes on a greater responsibility than his subject but also in return receives greater respect.

>>32226377
tbdesu i dont disagree i just wish i was a man

>>32226354
I don't have magic powers. There is no reason why others should fail in their marriage while I succeed in mine. It is just a matter of will. Make it work and it'll work. People always act like the circumstances of the world are outside their control and they are just tossed about by the seas of fate with no direction. There may be circumstances out of your control but you choose how you react to them. Two people doing that is what a marriage is. And if the marriage is rotten it's because of the people in it, not some stormy wind that suddenly came out of nowhere and made them suddenly hate eachother for no reason.

>>32226411
I meant the individuals in said marriage. If the person stops being into the other. Maybe one doesn't wanna be with the other anymore. Maybe one comes out as gaybor something. Certain things can't really fixed with just sticking together

>>32226200
>this thread smells of woman hate
I know right? So many women advocating for aborting baby girls and daughters. It’s so shocking.

>>32226384
I'm not advocating a boomer-generation-like marriage where a woman waits on her husband while he goes off to bars and gets drunk. Rather I believe that a woman should homeschool the children, because it isn't right that children are being raised by a state rather than their parents, and internalize the state's values rather than their parent's. A man should make any sacrifice necessary to make this happen. I think it is a better life to be able to stay home and bond with your children than to wageslave. The man should be master of the house, because the woman's duty is to be master of the children, and this is a division of labor which ensures that the needs of the family are met.

>>32226438
>I meant the individuals in said marriage. If the person stops being into the other. Maybe one doesn't wanna be with the other anymore. Maybe one comes out as gaybor something. Certain things can't really fixed with just sticking together
My wife gained a lot of weight since having kids, but that sort of thing shouldn't matter if two people love eachother. Yes you'll get old and out of shape, it's just part of life. Only the most shallow people would let that come between them. As for someone being gay or having other mental issues, he should probably try to talk things through with his wife and then maybe try to address the trauma that made him that way.

>>32226044
How? What can i do? I tried some tea i even thought about using a wire but its too much pain for me... Please help me

>>32227237
Stop. Stop making panic decisions. Talk things through with your family first.

>>32227237
If you try to DIY abort, you’re going to end up getting an infection or permanently damaging your reproductive organs and ruining your future on top of possibly dying.

Shoutouts to the anons pushing for abortions and creating the unnecessary sense of urgency that OP is now wrestling with to the point of self harm. Way to go.

>>32226019
The tight to bodily autonomy gave her that. The life of another person gradually loses its validity if they ruin yours and refuse to get out. Can't reason with a baby to get self aborted unfortunately. By all means you have the right to shhot a person who is on your territory without your approval. Get mugged, nigger .

>>32227237
Keep the bebe, just don't tell anybody about your pregnancy. Hide somewhere for the birth. Then bonk it on the head and bury the body.

>>32225481
Should've used a condom and taken a pill.
lol

>>32228721
>The tight to bodily autonomy gave her that. The life of another person gradually loses its validity if they ruin yours and refuse to get out.
I could say you're ruining my life. Get off my planet. Does that give me the right to shoot you? Your feelings aren't more important than a human life, retard. You don't have the right to murder someone because of muh feels.

>>32228731
Better yet, give the baby to an orphanage and bonk your own stupid self on the head in penance.

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>>32229859
How can someone see this and still commit an abortion? Some people are truly heartless and soulless.

>>32225481
If you kill yourself the kid will die too and your death will at least karmically balance the evil you do by killing it

>>32225538
Stop reading books full of excuses to be a subhuman psychopath and learn to think for yourself you dumb animal

>>32225686
You kill yourself too.

>>32225538
>read this book full of nonsense so that you can be deluded just like me!!! I have no argument!

>>32229877
>How can someone see this and still commit an abortion? Some people are truly heartless and soulless.

Because the child got in the way of the woman’s ‘living her best life’ saga or something. Even though she had three chances to protect her ‘live laugh love’ LARP. 1. Agreeing to sex. 2. Not using protection and 3. Not using morning after pill.
The boss girls fucked up three checkpoints where accountability was needed, and they demand a fourth - butcher the living child in the womb. Her body, her choice, HERstory. And no man has a right to get involved with her body. (Except the middle aged abortionist man with the coffee breath, he may shove sharp utensils into her dilated cervix). That’s the only man she depends on but no one else lol

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>>32225542
sexo comigo AGORA!

>>32225481
There's pills you could buy on the black market, diy mixes with herbs etc but I'm not sure for how long in pregnancy they can work, and they are risky. Unless you truly would rather be dead than have the kid I wouldn't take the risk of a clandestine abortion

>>32225481
Tomara que de tudo errado e voce sofra as consequencias de ser uma deposito de porra

Stop the thread immediately, don't help this bitch. Let her suffer the consequences of her actions.

>>32230022
The whole book is full of arguments in favor of it.

>>32230963
If you don't feel any sympathy for the woman you should at least feel bad for the baby who will experience a lifetime of pain and suffering if they are born. The baby didn't ask to be born.

>>32229893
>books full of excuses to be a subhuman psychopath
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>32230335
Literally probably already committing conspiracy to commit murder at least morally if not also legally.

>>32225481
If you want abortion to be illegal in your country too https://abolitionistsrising.com/

https://boards.4chan.org/biz/thread/59134621#bottom

>>>/x/39137074

>>32230986
No one asked to be born. Why don't you stop purchasing meat and paying for extra animals to be raped into existence to live in factory farm hells?

>>32230986
>The baby didn't ask to be born
It didn't ask to die either, the correct answer is giving birth and when they grow up and know better, they can decide if they wanna continue to live or not. PLus, life is good most of the time, even when it sucks.

>>32231090
>they can decide if they wanna continue to live or not.

What if free will doesn't exist?

>>32231122
>What if free will doesn’t exist?
Let’s test that then. You are free to reply to this post, or not. Your choice. When you hit ‘post’, know that you choose it. If you see this and decide to ignore, know you chose to ignore too.

Wow not that hard.

>>32231122
Then nothing matters, including this discussion. The future is already written and there's nothing we can do to change it.

>>32231077
>No one asked to be born
Correct.
>Why don't you stop purchasing meat and paying for extra animals to be raped into existence to live in factory farm hells?
Who said I did that? Glad you see it's an issue too though.
>>32231090
>they can decide if they wanna continue to live or not
Not really. People like you have worked very hard to make suicide painful and inaccessible and shameful, by making illegal a lot of peaceful options, indoctrinating people on how they're evil if they choose to die and locking them up and deeming them mentally ill/irrational if they even express the thought of wanting to die.
>life is good most of the time, even when it sucks
That's not true.

>>32231150
>Not really. People like you have worked very hard to make suicide painful and inaccessible and shameful, by making illegal a lot of peaceful options, indoctrinating people on how they're evil if they choose to die and locking them up and deeming them mentally ill/irrational if they even express the thought of wanting to die.
You just assumed that, you fucking stupid retarded. Plus, no one shames people for thinking of suicide, literally the opposite, they try to understand them and help them.
>That's not true.
Ok, that's my perspective.

>>32231174
I get it now, you're underage. My mistake. Enjoy your day.

>>32231142
I wish it were that simple. I'm agnostic on actual libertarian free will. Also how do you know I'm not freely/randomly deciding to post or not but lack a will? Maybe it's just random and I can't control it or maybe it's determined
>>32231147
Yes but determinists would still try to reduce suffering.
>>32231150
I'm glad you don't. I'm vegan too.
But I don't know how you can say the life of a chicken is valuable but a few month old probably conscious child isn't. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkH3vrevU9o

>>32231174
There's literally a profession whose entire job is to help people who want to kill themselves, lol.

>>32231188
You just assumed another thing. Is your brain too small to understand you can't just say shit and people have to believe in you?

>>32231174
People are involuntarily hospitalized for being suicidal and people in prisons and hospitals are force fed to prevent them from starving themselves to death. You can be involuntarily hospitalized for talking about killing yourself or attempting it unsuccessfully or being too thin and not eating.

>>32231150
>People like you have worked very hard to make suicide painful and inaccessible and shameful, by making illegal a lot of peaceful options, indoctrinating people on how they're evil if they choose to die and locking them up and deeming them mentally ill/irrational if they even express the thought of wanting to die.

Suicide is self-murder. The individual is still a person too, and if they kill themselves it’s almost as fucked as killing someone else. Yes I know people who do it are despairing and not in their right mind, and no those who are terminally ill and suffering shouldn’t obtain euthanasia or assisted suicide. The problem isn’t the fact they’re dying, the problem is pain and suffering. Pain and suffering can be treated with extremely potent and heavy drugs and medicines. Hell, you can even send a dying sickly person into cloud 9 euphoria with enough ketamine while blocking out the pain.

The pain is easily managed. Easily. The only people demanding a right to die are typically egoists who think they are too good for death and dying like everyone else and demand to die by their own hand instead.

>>32231189
>I'm agnostic on actual libertarian free will. Also how do you know I'm not freely/randomly deciding to post or not but lack a will? Maybe it's just random and I can't control it or maybe it's determined

You’re not that retarded. You know it isn’t random and you know you can control it. You’re not an impulsive retard, are you?

>Plus, no one shames people for thinking of suicide
>The only people demanding a right to die are typically egoists who think they are too good for death and dying like everyone else and demand to die by their own hand instead

>>32231207
>The pain is easily managed. Easily
You are the most delusional person I've talked to in a while.

>>32231225
yeah im not the anon you argued with from before. I’m saying this as an ex-suicidal person myself who made attempts - suicidals are fucking selfish, suicide is selfish, and it is the height of self-absorption and is an act that decimates everyone around them, traumatises loved ones for years, decades. And if all the suicidal person can do or say is wallow on themselves and not give a fuck, then it’s selfish.

>>32231205
>literally just shoot yourself in the head
>literally just jump from a tall building
I see, it really is hard to kill yourself. It's not like you can do it at any time you really want to. Plus, are you really trying to kill yourself if all you've done is not eating or taking drugs? Seems more like a way of asking for help without saying it, but that's just what I think.

>>32231245
>suicidals are fucking selfish, suicide is selfish
The destruction of self is the opposite of selfish.
>decimates everyone around them, traumatises loved ones for years, decades
Only because they've decided themselves to view suicide as this horrible tragic thing, when in reality the person just left them and it's no different to them travelling to another country for work and never returning or writing back. It's self inflicted suffering.

>>32231249
>>literally just shoot yourself in the head
Lots of people don't have access to guns, myself included.
>>literally just jump from a tall building
Likelihood of failure is too high with you ending up a vegetable or brain damaged. Also likely to be extremely painful.
Your examples prove my point.

>>32231249
Not to say there aren't any accessible methods that are relatively painless. I was eventually able to find one myself. My point is that society has made it very hard and actively works against people being able to make that choice.

>>32231297
Yes, because wanting to kill yourself is not natural and not a solution to an emotional problem. Life is enjoyable, you are HARD WIRED TO LIKE BEING ALIVE. If you want to die, it's probably because there's something wrong with you, and most of the time it's something solvable. You're treating something science tells us it's an effect of a problem (wanting to kill yourself), as a solution to the problem, you stupid ass motherfucker. Of course people will try to stop you from throwing away your greatest gift (life), it's a stupid decision. What you're saying doesn't make sense because you're assuming life isn't objectively good from the human perspective, but sorry, it is. Even if you were born in a tribe in the middle of Africa, it would be objectively good. The only way of it being bad is if someone actively made it or if you were born with some type of illness, which is not the case for most humans and in most societies.

>>32231335
>If you want to die, it's probably because there's something wrong with you
Yeah no shit.
>motherfucker. Of course people will try to stop you from throwing away your greatest gift (life), it's a stupid decision
Of what good is the gift if you cannot return it?
I think you are being way too dramatic about the whole thing. Everyone dies one way or the other. If a person doesn't want to wait, why should they? Others will experience grief one way or the other, there's no way around it.

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>>32225481
Shouldnt've had sex outside of marriage then you dumb slut. No advice here to go back, you'll have to live with your choices. Get married to whoever the father is. If you dont know who the father is, or have had sex with multiple people - ropemaxx

>>32231279
>The destruction of self is the opposite of selfish.
No it’s not. It’s very selfish, it requires an obsessive rumination on the self, filled to the brim with self pity and self hatred. It’s all self, self, self.

>Only because they've decided themselves to view suicide as this horrible tragic thing, when in reality the person just left them and it's no different to them travelling to another country for work and never returning or writing back. It's self inflicted suffering.

Your sentiment proves my point. You presume to know how it makes others feel, and moreover, you blame people for the way they feel in response to losing a son, a daughter, a mother, a father, brother or sister - to suicide. You think they inflicted their suffering and grief on themselves, when it’s demonstrably obvious the suicidal person pulled the trigger and caused the shockwave of trauma. And I’ve seen it first hand too. I can tell you haven’t, at all.

I’ve seen a family succumb to alcoholism and drugs just to cope with the suicide of a child, father drinking himself to death, mother following suit and killing herself some decade later. And the son mentally fucked and on drugs.

You are speaking from a comfortable position of not ever facing that hardship first hand, and you do not know what you are talking about. That’s why you’re able to say something so ridiculous as to blame bereaved and grieving family members as ‘deciding themselves to view suicide as horrible’. Get a grip.

>>32231361
>I think you are being way too dramatic about the whole thing
I'm not, you're just edgy or desensitized. Suicide is a serious thing, and you're basically promoting it.

>Everyone dies one way or the other. If a person doesn't want to wait, why should they?
Not wanting to live because of a solvable problem is just a way of expressing a desire for relief. No one truly wants to die. You're hard-wired to want to be alive. Can't you see it? Plus, you seem to not believe in good or bad as real things, that's why you ask these questions, which leaves me unable to answer them because I don't know how to prove that good and bad are real things, but I also can't prove that they don't exist.

>>32231432
>Plus, you seem to not believe in good or bad as real things
I believe in them, I'm not a moral nihilist. I think suffering is bad, and I think most people are bad.

>>32231451
>I think suffering is bad
Good, then stop promoting suicide, this shit destroys families and communities without even solving the problem it proposes to.

>>32231474
I did not promote suicide.

>>32231174
>Plus, no one shames people for thinking of suicide, literally the opposite, they try to understand them and help them
That's not been my experience. I opened up about it and got locked up in a mental ward. If they wanted to help, they would make it possible to seek IRL help with guarantees of no physical confinement and loss of freedom.

>>32231510
>That's not been my experience. I opened up about it and got locked up in a mental ward.
Which country? Because mental health guidelines vary from nation to nation. Whatever country it is, it must have shit mental healthcare. Where I live, they will only institutionalise you or make intervention if, and only if:
>You tell them you are planning on suicide. (I.e, you make it clear that sometime after the therapy visit later in the week or month you will make an attempt).

If you just say you feel suicidal or made attempts in the (past), you do not get put into a mental ward nor should you ever.

And same goes for
>Planning to kill someone
If you mention you felt like killing in the past, or have thoughts of killing, nothing happens. Tell them you want to kill someone and have a plan for it, then it’s mental ward or police visit.


If you got put in a mental ward and you didn’t show any active plans for either, then your mental health authorities fucking failed you and should be ashamed and I’m sorry you got warded.

>If you just say you feel suicidal or made attempts in the (past), you do not get put into a mental ward nor should you ever.
Yeah, I said I felt suicidal and was forced into a psych ward despite expressing will not to go. I did not mention a plan. They also lied about how long I'll be staying there.
They taught me that if I seek mental health I will be put in prison. That's very helpful.
The point is, you cannot simultaneously be moral and rational, believe it's morally ok to force new sentient beings into existence but not ok for them to choose to opt out of existence.

>>32231575
>Yeah, I said I felt suicidal and was forced into a psych ward despite expressing will not to go. I did not mention a plan. They also lied about how long I'll be staying there.

I hope to God that your country has easy channels for you to sue whatever practice or psychiatrist into the dirt. I’m serious - I’m planning on becoming a mental health professional myself, and I would enjoy seeing the career therapists and pseudointellectual quacks that commit malpractice of the psychiatric craft to be ruined for shit like what they pulled with you. Do consider reading up on their guidelines on suicide prevention in your area, and if you spot that they breached their own guideline, find a good lawyer and fuck them up good and proper. You’ll be doing the collective practice of psychiatry a massive favour, as well as yourself if there is a good payout of compensation.

>>32225481
Just put it up for adoption. Or ingest some chemicals. I am sure there are countless guides for it online.

Also you made this up to bait yous

>>32231596
nta but the "danger to self or others" criteria is arbitrary bullshit. If someone is starving themselves to death and wants to die they'll be involuntarily hospitalized and force fed. In much of the world if they currently possess and are about to consume abortion pills they won't be involuntarily hospitalized for being a danger to the fetus. If they work at a slaughter house or like to hunt and are about to kill animals they won't be involuntarily hospitalized. But if someone says that they have a plan to hurt abortion clinic or slaughter house workers they will immediately be hospitalized for danger to self or others.
You can't make it make sense it's anarcho tyranny

>>32231780
Animals don’t have the same rights as humans, rightly and obviously so. At best they have a right to a painless death. And the death should be necessary, for food. Killing them needlessly or cruelly still nets someone legal penslties, often prison. (Where I live anyway).

Someone starving themself with the aim to die is in the act of suicide, so yeah they’ll get warded, Same goes for people who say fhey have a plan go hurt or kill others gets warded.

It makes sense when you acknowledge the main part - the active planning to become a danger to self or others. If you convince a psychiatrist that you are imminently going to kill yourself or others, they have to intervene. Not just on moral grounds (if they didn’t intervene, they’re partially to blame since they had full knowledge it would happen), but also legal (they get their practice revoked, possibly sued by family members of deceased, even prosecuted by law for withholding vital evidence or information that could have prevented killings).

The other anon got unfairly warded, and it’s fucked him up and he ought to sue. The damage unmerited warding of people does is huge. Mentally fucks people up more, even risks their life in the future (if that anon were to feel suicidal in the future, his trust to seek help is crippled now, thanks to incompetent shrinks). And incompetent shrinks need culled out of the profession.